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22 Oct 2018 07:19:54
PIT - Olli Maatta + 1st Rd Pick
TOR - William Nylander

Pit might have to add

PIT - 2nd Rd Pick
CGY - Mark Jankowski

Jake Guentzel - Sidney Crosby - William Nylander
Carl Hagelin - Evgeni Malkin - Phil Kessel
Dominik Simon - Derrick Brassard - Patric Hornqvist
Bryan Rust - Mark Jankowksi - Daniel Sprong

Brian Dumoulin - Kris Letang
Jack Johnson - Justin Schultz
Juuso Riikola - Jamie Oleksiak

19 Oct 2018 11:55:04
Cal - TJ Brodie + 1st Rd Pick
Tor - William Nylander

Cal - Mark Jankowski
Ari - 2nd Rd Pick

What do you think?

Gaudreau - Monahan - Nylander
Tkachuk - Backlund - Lindholm
Frolik - Bennett - Neal
Hathaway - Ryan - Czarnik

Giordano - Valimaki
Hanifin - Hamonic
Andersson - Stone

Flames become a legit scoring threat and have the cap to sign Nylander long term 6M x 6yrs maybe 4 depends on what Nylander is asking. Nothing more than 6m for sure.

And heres some trades for next year.

Cal - Mark Giordano
Vgs - 1st Rd Pick + Shea Theodore

Cal - Michael Frolik
Ari - 3rd Rd Pick

Future Lines:

Gaudreau - Monahan - Nylander
Tkachuk - Backlund - Lindholm
Czarnik - Bennett - Neal
Hathaway - Ryan - Dube

Välimäki - Hamonic
Hanifin - Theodore
Andersson - Stone

19 Oct 2018 12:17:19
Billy have u been living under a rock? If Nylander was only asking for 6 million he would of been signed already. He wants 8+ million wich is why he's not signed. At 6 million he would of been signed 2 months ago lol. Get the right info before posting nonsense.

19 Oct 2018 13:17:05
Lol BoomBoom. I was thinking the same thing. Where have you been the last few months.

19 Oct 2018 13:18:22
Lol. Vegas will laugh in your face.
You can't just always expect to dump players in Arizona.

19 Oct 2018 17:10:54
First of all as well stated Nylander won’t sign in Toronto for $6.5. He won’t sign anywhere else for less.

And Giordano NEXT YEAR for Shea Theodore and a 1st?! He’s goinn to be a year older yet again and Theodore should take another step forward by then while Gio takes a step thebother direction. Not taking a shot at gio, I love the way he plays, but it’s just nature, he’s long past his prime and Theodore hasn’t entered his yet. If you flipped it and made Calgary give the 1st with Gio, Vegas would say no unless flames fell apart and it was a very high pick.

19 Oct 2018 20:13:02
Brodie + 1st doesn’t seem to make a whole lot of sense for the Leafs either.

19 Oct 2018 21:42:20
They need a RHD.

08 Oct 2018 13:26:58
Calgary Trades

Toronto Trades

If the Leafs have had enough of WNylander's contract demands and decide to Trade him, I do see a match with the Flames as a Trading Partner, and this Trade Proposal is good for both Teams.

Thoughts ?

08 Oct 2018 15:19:27
So so so bad Pinball.

08 Oct 2018 15:25:40

08 Oct 2018 17:52:54
No it’s not good for both teams but it’s a good post for us to rip on you.

08 Oct 2018 18:59:06
So bad for the flames.

09 Oct 2018 09:09:03
The best player in the Trade is Nylander, Bennett needs a new Team to restart his career.
Wonder if Nylander etc. Was on Calgary and that Trade going the other way would it be bad for the Flames?

09 Oct 2018 21:25:10
Yup, horrible trade for flames.

07 Oct 2018 17:07:48
Calgary Trades
1st Round Pick 2019

Toronto Trades
4th Round Pick 2019

Thoughts ?

06 Oct 2018 16:59:42
Calgary Trades

Toronto Trades
4th Round Pick 2019

Thoughts ?

06 Oct 2018 17:13:59
They just traded for Lindholm and locked him up I think.

06 Oct 2018 17:21:43
I do that if I were the Flames. but I wouldn't of I were Leafs .

If i wasnt for Mathews and Marner, Nylander would be considered one of the top offensive stars of the game.
I have always liked his game, and think he could be a perennial top 10 point getter in league for years to come, really wish my team had the ability to get him .
I don't think Lindholm is anything special, and Bennett is going way of a bust for the draft position he was selected .

06 Oct 2018 18:19:37
Nylander is one of the top offensive stars of the game? Is this really you Willie?

We have at least three players on the Leafs alone better than Nylander, and Kadri is also probably a better all-round player.

06 Oct 2018 18:56:46
I’m surprised to hear that from you Sosa. Is there talks of Nylander going to Montreal that I haven’t heard of?

06 Oct 2018 19:35:00
No Leafs 17there are no talks of him going to Montreal. I wish. no way Habs/ Leafs make that deal, we don't have assets for him anyway . I have always like Nylander, and yes Leafs GM, I think he could be like Panarin. isn't he one of the top offensive guys in the game.?

06 Oct 2018 19:42:53
And I guess LeafsGM , I mean if there was no Mathews or Marner, all we would hear about is how good Nylander is., bases on the market he plays in, he is overshadowed by the other 2 ., put him on Carolina for example. he's offense runs through him, I'd say same for my team. and there are s few others like NYR ect .

06 Oct 2018 19:47:34
Lol this is brutal for leafs.

06 Oct 2018 21:01:11
Variation on this, Nylanderand something else, not sure if its pick, prospect ot roster player for Lindholm and Rasmus Andersson?

07 Oct 2018 00:43:56

Nylander was 70th in points last year and 112th in goals. He’s a very good player, yes. But not one of the top offensive stars. He may still develop into a true star in his own right, but from what I’ve seen, he is a beneficiary of playing with Matthews, not the other way around.

I’m also pretty pissed at him right now for screwing us around, so I have an extreme negative bias for the greedy selfish little baby. I hope Leafs trade him to the worst team in the west so he never so much as smells the Stanley Cup. Winning should mean everything to this young man, and apparently it means nothing.

07 Oct 2018 04:04:55
I was thinking about Nylander being a beneficiary of playing with Matthews the other day and realized that in the last 2 years Nylander scored 42 goals, Connor Brown scored 34 goals. Now, where the separation is, is that Connor brown had 30 assist as where Nylander had 80. Now consider that Matthews had 74 goals. While Connor brown played with a revolving door of players including Komarov, Dominic Moore, Freddy Gauthier, matt Martin and Tomas Plekanec. How many opportunities for assists did he really have?

Now I 100% believe that Nylander made plays on Some of those goals that Matthews scored that Connor Brown just isn’t capable of making. I’m also aware that Nylander didn’t play his entire time with Matthews. But when you see the numbers like that, I wonder how Brown would have benefited from being on that wing, then you consider he signed 3 years at $2.25 mill, you can really question Nylanders $8mill+ demands.

I’m not suggesting Nylanders not a good player, also not suggesting brown would put up the same numbers in that spot. Also not saying brown is worth $6mill+ or Nylander only worth $2.5mill. But Matthews doesn’t seem to be any less effective with Tyler Ennis on that wing either.

07 Oct 2018 05:30:16

When you put it like that, it really does make for a real eye-opener. Brown is also a more effective defensive player, an area that Nylander sorely lacks skill in.

Nylander holding out gives guys like Leivo, Brown, Ennis a real opportunity here to showcase what they can do. Should make the decision to trade him or sign him much easier one way or the other.

At this point, I fail to see how we can’t trade him. First opportunity he had to screw the team that drafted him, he did. No loyalty or respect for the organization at all.

07 Oct 2018 07:56:30
Ok. if Leafs want to trade him. send him to Habs.

07 Oct 2018 14:34:44
I’m not saying he has to go though. The team is better with him than without him for sure. But Matthews had a great preseason (not surprising when half the guy you’re playing against will never actually be in the NHL) . But has come out of the gate looking stronger and faster than last year, 3 goals in 2 games.

I just feel like Nylander was expecting him to struggle a bit without him and it would pass some leverage to the player from the team and that’s not how it’s been. It’s possible that changes, however all this has done by Willy sitting out is expose to the world how sweet of a gig he really had being on that line. Ennis is loving it at $650k lol. I still feel Nylander is the best fit long term on his wing and hope he’s here, but if this process brings his demands down to reality, I’m okay with Dubas playing hard ball and riding it out.

07 Oct 2018 17:18:25
I'm pretty sure nylander and his agent are just worried about getting the best possible contract They can at this point. I don't think nylander is or was hoping matthews would struggle. I know the media is trying to paint him as a monster by comparing him with his father but really he's only doing what most players who feel they are worth more then they are being offered does. Like always though nobody knows what's really going on except those involved. maybe the leafs are only offering a bridge deal and he wants long term. Maybe they are not as far off on actual salary as the media are saying.

07 Oct 2018 18:05:41
Not saying he wishes bad for Matthews personally. They’re friends. But even Jeff O’Neil and Carlo Coliacovo who both have experience with contract demands and teammates sitting out said it’s a thin line for those guys. They want to see the team succeed because they want to still sign there and have it be a good team, but they have a hard time cheering for everything to go right when you’re on the sidelines, much like a healthy scratch. That’s coming from ex NHL players, not me. Believe what you want.

07 Oct 2018 20:06:05
I could argue you on this I but I won't bother. Lol.

07 Oct 2018 20:57:58
That’s good. Because again, I wasn’t talking about you or to you but you had to try to discredit of course. And you’re going to assume you know how NHL players feel and think better than 2 guys with almost 25 NHL seasons combined. Because all they did was live that life for more than a decade each while you watch on tv sometimes. Of course you have valid points you aren’t going to use to tell us how they don’t know what they’re talking about.

08 Oct 2018 00:26:34
I think it's pretty easy to see you were replying to me but anyway who cares. I will tell you one thing if you take everything these so called experts tell you as gospel then you will still be wrong at least 90% of time lol. Plus I just made what I felt was a harmless comment about your post more or less saying I don't really want to argue with you today but again you just had to try and get things going again. I know I'm childish and biased some times I can admit it. Can you? Or are you still perfect in ever way?

08 Oct 2018 05:41:26
I was communicating with LeafsGM and Sosa actually and then you have to chime in complete opposite of what I say regardless of right or wrong lol and believeing people that actually played the game and lived the life will make you wrong 90% of the time? Lol. And it’s not being naive. It’s common sense. As a player like Josh Leivo who was scratched 60+ times last year, you want your team to do well, but also subconsciously would want something to go wrong, whether it be an injury or a player having a bad stretch of games. Something that could get you back in the lineup. It’s human nature, doesn’t mean he wishes personal harm on someone. And similar to a holdout player with very little leverage, they hope something, anything, sways some leverage their way. If that’s a player they normally play with struggling a bit, so be it.

08 Oct 2018 15:09:16
Nah I feel he just wants to get paid whether it be in toronto or not. So maybe he's hoping they do really good so he can be traded somewhere else. Or maybe like I said he thinks he worth a certain amount and he's sitting out until he at least gets close to what he wants. Money talks man and it makes a lot more sense then jeff o neil.

08 Oct 2018 16:13:07
😂 lol.

01 Oct 2018 08:14:06
It looks like Sam Bennet has slipped to the 4th line this year in Calgary, they should flip him for a goalie like cbjs korpisalo

Oliver kylinton


Is that close in value too much?

01 Oct 2018 12:39:47
I think Bobvrosky is a UFA at seasons end and rumors he doesn't want to be back in CLB. If that is true, They aren't trading Korpisalo I would imagine. Don't quote me on the Bobvrosky rumor tho, can't remember for sure.
But if they can resign Bob then this could be alright.

01 Oct 2018 13:58:27
A bit much for an backup goalie that had a save % under 900 last year in 18 games on a good team, calgary would laugh so hard. Take out bennet and kylinton and it's about right.

01 Oct 2018 22:26:27
Not sure Calgary is willing to give up on Bennett just yet.

Shootsmcgee nailed it. Goalies aren’t worth a whole lot, even starting goalies. I wouldn’t expect Calgary to be trading NHL quality players for a non-starter. More like a pick/ prospect.

02 Oct 2018 02:45:27
Gillies had similar stats and Riddich had better stats last year so wouldn't be an upgrade one would think, to give up on bennet and kylinton who has potential to be a good offensive defenseman is to much. They'd want a better more proven backup.

26 Sep 2018 23:38:59
Three way trade option:

WPG to TOR: Trouba
TOR to CGY: Nylander
CGY to WPG: Hanifin


27 Sep 2018 02:29:57
No from Winnipeg. We're better off keeping Trouba for our playoff run this year and looking into moving him next year if we have to.

27 Sep 2018 04:41:36
Calgary just acquired Hanafin why would they trade him?

27 Sep 2018 13:48:32
I know, right Joe? Why would Winnipeg want to trade Trouba for a younger, better defenceman signed for less money and for long-term with no doubts about wanting out of Canada who is not consistently plagued by injuries and plays on the left hand side where Winnipeg has considerably less depth? It's like they don't know anything about hockey! They are such homers!

27 Sep 2018 14:51:10
The only problem with that, is that Trouba is much better than Hanafin and is RHD as opposed to the easier to find LHD.

27 Sep 2018 15:07:52
Trouba will bring a better return at the draft. I can't see Calgary trading Hanafin this soon. Also if Trouba is so poor and injury pron why would the Leafs want him as he will want an 8 year $7+ mil contract in a year?

27 Sep 2018 16:01:48
Won't happen. but one if the better 3 way trade proposals I've seen.

27 Sep 2018 16:43:47
Who said leafs want Trouba lol.

27 Sep 2018 16:47:45
Maybe in your comically biased opinion, he is. Hey Cody Ceci shoots right. You should totally trade Morrissey for him since he shoots left.

27 Sep 2018 18:20:11
Well you are proving you don't watch the Jets or really know anything about the players. Suggesting that the sheltered second pairing defenseman Hanafin is better than a top pairing defenseman is just outright homerism.

No matter, the Leafs aren't getting Trouba, give it up.

27 Sep 2018 18:45:08
I would want Trouba on the leafs, with a long term contract so we never have to talk to him and his agent. On ice only, I’ll take Trouba.

But Marcus, much like me saying I would take Colin Miller back as the main piece in a Nylander trade - miller is cheaper, locked up for more years and in a position (RHD) we need far more than a RW. That is all worth something. That’s not saying straight talent they are equal players. But hanifin at even 80% the player, younger, with a $4.9mill cap hit for 6 seasons, and plays the position jets were actually looking for in return for Trouba makes a ton of sense. Troubas a good Dman that thinks he’s worth far more than he is. He isn’t a god. Realize that.

27 Sep 2018 18:54:15
I rarely miss a game, as a matter of fact. Being retired and having NHL Centre Ice affords me the luxury of watching more hockey in a week than you probably do in a season. This "top pairing defenceman" you speak of was sheltered far more than Hanifin has been throughout his career playing behind Buff and even occasionally Myers. Only recently has he had that honour bestowed upon him.

Hanifin is the more valuable player and unwillingess to trade Trouba for him straight up illustrates your bias which has already been well-documented on this site.

And I could care less about the Leafs getting Trouba--I'm not a fan. The team I cheered for as a kid isn't even in the show anymore.

27 Sep 2018 19:49:42
Jim, I understand the points you're making and they are valid. What I'm saying is that your point about taking Trouba on ice is the main one. Being a contender the Jets can't afford to take a drop off to Hanafin this year. Yes, contract negotiations with him have been a pain in the rear, but since he's signed now, there is no reason to downgrade this year. Next summer we'll see.

Unsportsmanlike, you mean Trouba was sheltered by having to drag around Mark Stuart, the worst player in the NHL, as a rookie and still putting up good numbers? Anyways, who cares about 3 or 4 years ago. Trouba is undoubtedly better now, which is what matters now. Your well documented bias against Trouba is showing, when you can't admit you are flat out wrong about who is better.

27 Sep 2018 19:57:29
Who did you cheer for unsportsmanlike? Hartford, Quebec?

27 Sep 2018 20:06:56
Unsportsmanlike you hit that right on the dot 👍🏻 Trouba is good but I still don’t understand how he’s viewed as a top 10 dman in the world lol doesn’t even make sense and he’s barely been top pairing throughout his career on Winnipeg lol he’s a good top 4, not quite top pairing especially behind buff.

27 Sep 2018 21:56:36
Mark Stuart, the worst player in the NHL would be a worth gold if he was still in the jets star studded line up. Let’s just say Trouba goes to the leafs Joe, is he still the super human defenseman you make him out to be?

27 Sep 2018 22:29:25
I’ve always thought Trouba would be a good fit in Toronto. Same age as Rielly, opposite hand and plays a little more physical. Seems like a perfect long term pair to me. That being said, they would our top pair on a balanced D-core. We would have a solid 4 because we wouldn't have any studs. Rielly is our #1 D, but he’s not your typical #1 Dman the way Weber, Kieth, Doughty Karlsson etc is. And same as Trouba. He would be #1 here, but almost by default. He’s not viewed as an actual #1 Dman anywhere outside Winnipeg. And to be honest, not even in Winnipeg by management because if they felt he was a legit #1 RHD at 24 years old, they’d be happy to pay him his $7.5mill for 8 he wanted.

27 Sep 2018 23:24:38
Leafs17, that actually would be funny if Trouba ended up in Toronto. In Leaf fan's eyes Trouba would immediately go from a run of the mill second pairing defenseman to an instant tie for the best defenseman in the league (tied with Rielly of course) and a generational talent to boot, giving the Leafs a total of 23 generational talents.

Where in Winnipeg we just value Trouba for what he actually is. A young, top pairing RHD that matches up against the toughest competition every night and consistently wins those matchups.

27 Sep 2018 23:31:45
But getting back to the original post. The Jets wouldn't make the trade because they are giving up the most valuable piece and taking back a lesser piece without being compensated for it. There, plain and simple, without calling any of the players in the OP bad players.

Next summer it could be different, but there is no reason forthe Jets to make this trade now.

28 Sep 2018 02:51:22
aight let's just not trade for any more jets players. they don't want to improve, they don't need rentals, they're too good, but are also too good to need to add young oieces. They don't nee to trade UFAs like Myers but also don't need rentals like Duchene at the expense of logan stanley.

in all seriousness tho, i'd 100% take hanifin than trouba as a leaf fan. better defensively, better all round player imo, better contract, younger. i don't know, troubas a good dman, but his asks are insane, and he's worse defensively imo.

even tho trouba is a rhd while hanifin is a lhd, i'd take hanifin. and i'd take hanifin or nylander. but hanifin>>>trouba.

28 Sep 2018 03:11:12
Sure Joe, you can believe whatever you want. You a flat earther as well?

I choose to exist in reality. Where Hanifin is a 21 year old all-star defenseman (another accolaide that Trouba has yet to achieve, but to be fair, the all star game is after New Years and Trouba is usually hurt by November) that is younger, cheaper and under long term contract compared to your over-rated buddy Trouba. Sorry to trigger you with facts about who is more valuable. I'll let you get back to delusional island with NBR and Pinball.

28 Sep 2018 05:42:06
Topshelf, that is fine, if you prefer the inferior player, more power to you.

Unsportsmanlike, lol, you're actually trying to use all star selections as a player valuation. I thought you said you watch hockey. You can't with that kind of reasoning. Hilarious. Again, if you prefer the worse player, that's great, because neither of you are getting Trouba!

28 Sep 2018 11:14:41
trouba for marner + nylander + kapanen + rielly.

book it.

28 Sep 2018 11:20:30
Sure -- career accolaides like all-star selections, fantasy rankings, dynasty lists -- you know, things that are grounded in reality empirically vs. you just saying Trouba is more valuable because it doesn't hurt your feelings.

28 Sep 2018 14:57:32
Unsportsmanlike, you should have pulled out the big guns and looked into their plus minus ratings. I mean if you're going to judge on stupid things based on things like each team HAVING to have an all star selection or fantasy (grounded in reality, lol), then go really silly.

I prefer things like advanced stats, you know, things ACTUALLY based on reality and on hockey.

Sorry reality doesn't line up with your homeristic views.

28 Sep 2018 15:40:37
Tell these Jets homers Hedman is better than Trouba and they'll disagre.

28 Sep 2018 15:49:36
if your going by advanced statistics, why do you call Gardiner barely a top6 dman? lol, not advanced stats, just call urself a homer.

28 Sep 2018 17:14:14
Came up with a simple four-step get rich quick scheme:

1. Join marcus's fantasy league
2. Draft Winnipeg players
3. Take advantage of his blatant homerism and trade said Winnipeg players for much better players (you can scroll through the archives on this site and pick a few dandies like Trouba and a first for Karlsson or Morrissey for Hanifin; there's plenty to choose from) .
4. Win pool and profit.

28 Sep 2018 17:20:49
Yeah, look up advanced stats on Jake Gardiner. You said he couldn’t crack jets roster lol

Relative shot attempt metrics he’s 2nd in the NHL among defensemen over the past 3 seasons, relative goals against (takes a little more of the quality of scoring chances given up), he’s 9th. While putting up 31, 43 and 52 points over that span lol so you’re an advanced stats guy, but Gardiner couldn’t play top 6 in Winnipeg and Trouba is a #1 Dman?! Lol you’re a joke.

28 Sep 2018 18:30:56
Well if we're making stuff up now, it is much easier to argue points. I have NEVER said Gardiner couldn't crack the top six. He's a second pair offensive defenseman, nothing wrong with that.

I HAVE actually said the Jets don't NEED Gardiner and wouldn't want to downgrade from Trouba to Gardiner.

But you guys continue to made stuff up so you can feel better about being blind homers. Lol 😆.

28 Sep 2018 18:36:18
It's really funny how you Leaf homers can read and understand advanced stats for Gardiner, but can't read our understand them when it comes to Trouba.

I'm still waiting, for months actually, for you to provide any. ACTUAL evidence that Trouba is a bottom pairing defenseman as you contend. Why haven't you provided that? Oh yeah, because there isn't any.

Leaf homers lol.

28 Sep 2018 18:38:24
Unsportsmanlike, you're funny. No connection to reality at all.

28 Sep 2018 19:05:35
no one said trouba isn't a good dman.

everyone said trouba isn't god.

trouba is good, but youve consistently said gardiner isn't good. like genuinely ‘second pair, garbage d who won't xrack the jets’.

trouba is a good dman. he isn't worth a younger, extended LHD of himself w less offence. and neither is gardiner. Lol. stop tryingb to say cery trade involvibg the jets is bad. that's all we ask. cause they aren't all that bad.

28 Sep 2018 19:36:41
Topshelf, again you still have to make stuff up to try and make yourself feel better about your blind homerism. I have NEVER called Gardiner a garbage D. Instead, unlike most on this site, I call him what he is, a second pair defenseman, nothing more, nothing less. It doesn't make him bad just because the Jets don't need him.

All I ask, is that you realise that trades don't take place in a vacuum. Just because the value looks good, doesn't mean the team should make the trade. Especially, when the offered player doesn't fill a need.

Whether you think Hanafin has more value because of his contract is irrelevant. The Jets are contending and downgrading, skill wise, from a player they need to one they don't, makes them worse.

Make an offer that helps the Jets and you may get some takers. Unfortunately, that is hard to do, because as much as you hate to admit it, the Jets are pretty damn good and don't have a glaring weakness they need to address like some teams.

28 Sep 2018 19:47:16
Yeah. had to have this difficult chat with Rambo a while back about being disconnected from reality.

When you have fans of all different teams on this site calling you out for being biased, it might be time to take a good, long look in the mirror. These aren't voices in your head; this is not some conspiracy trying to undervalue Jets players on this site. This is about your long history of stating that trades that are lopsided in the Jets favour or at least fair as not being good enough.

But hey, if living in your alternate reality helps protect your fragile mental ecosystem, have at it.

28 Sep 2018 21:03:28
You are wasting you time trying to reason with some of these hockey experts. Unlike the some of these posters your trying to reason with you look at a trade proposal from a point of view that includes how it affects the Jets not only in the present but future. If that makes you a homer then so be it. Better to be a homer than a no nothing. We'll have to wait for the next trade rumor to hopefully have a real hockey conversation.

28 Sep 2018 21:07:25
Hanifin is is no way better defensively than Trouba. Ask Canes fans. When they saw the trade they all said Hanifin had upside but was a tire fire in his own end.

Trouba doesn't have the offensive upside as your typically #1 dman and makes some bad passes but he is elite defensively.

28 Sep 2018 21:31:59
Unsportsmanlike, so, now your argument is "well, all the other Leaf homers agree with me, so I must be right" lol. That and "well, anything and anyone that doesn't use actual player abilities, agrees with me", so again I'm right.

28 Sep 2018 22:33:00
Pointing out that you have displayed the tendencies of a homer consistently on this site is not an argument, and illuminating that fans of the Leafs, Oilers (everyone on this site really) have also chronciled your bias is not proof of an argument any more than you could consider a group of people agreeing that water is wet as proof of the fact that water is indeed wet.

You do you man. Keep living that dream. Let me know if you want to but some land in Antarctica. Incredible investment opportunity.

29 Sep 2018 02:26:54
I have said all along I would take Trouba for sure. Never said he was a bad or a 3rd pairing guy. But you did say Jake Gardiner couldn’t crack jets roster lol

However, I just read over those replies and really got a laugh out of leafs fans being called ‘no nothings’ hahaha. The irony of that insult jumped out and screamed at me lol it’s like calling someone an idiot while misspelling idiot!

In all seriousness tho, Gardiner is better than Trouba in Defensive advances stats and puts up far more offense. So how Trouba is a ‘#1 Dman’ and Gardiner is ‘2nd pair offensive man, nothing more’ is astounding.

29 Sep 2018 04:52:25
I would suggest then, since Gardiner is a super star, that you hold onto him, quit trying to pawn him off on unsuspecting teams and quit begging for Trouba. The Leafs really shouldn't need Trouba with all this defensive elite talent.

Since you're now relying on making stuff up, please point me to the post where someone said Gardiner wouldn't crack the Jets lineup. I know you can't, because it hasn't been said.

But I know as a Leafs homer facts, although interesting, have no bearing on your arguments.

29 Sep 2018 06:12:54
Again, I’ve never said Gardiner is a superstar lol he’s a good top 4 Dman. I’ve never said Trouba is bad. He’s a good top 4 Dman. Would be top pair on Toronto. But don’t talk about not using facts.

Fact - you said you rely on advanced stats for your assessments. Correct?

Fact - over the past 3 seasons Gardiner is a top 10 Dman in Defensive catagories of advanced stats.

Fact - Trouba is not.

Fact - CF% of 55+ is considered ‘elite’

Fact - Gardiner career CF% 53.6. Gardiners playoff cf% (including his awful -5 in game 7 which I’m sure you will bring up) is 53.3.

Fact - troubas Career CF% is 48.1, playoffs 47.3.

Fact - over the same 3 years Gardiner has 126pts in 243gp (.52ppg)

Fact - Trouba has 78pts in 196gp (.40ppg) over the same span.

Fact - Gardiners a +7 CF relative player and in only his rookie season was he ever a negative CF at -0.01% while Trouba Is a -4 CF% relative to teammates over his career and never been in the positives for a single season.

Fact - Trouba has more D-zone starts than Gardiner.

Fact - I’m going to bed.

29 Sep 2018 11:36:06
Jim gardiner stats are better cause he doesn't kill penalties and is not used as a shutdown dman like trouba. Trouba is better defensively no matter what way you spin the stats. Gardiner is better on offence although he does get more and better quality powerplay minutes which helps a little. I like gardiner and have said it several times on here but both guys on same contract I take trouba every time so would just about everyone.

29 Sep 2018 14:18:07

Nah, nah, we all know that Gardiner isn't good defensively. Leaf fans do, most people do.

But, if we're solely using 'advanced stats' as Marcus claims, then Gardiner is far superior.

For that reason, you simply can't use advanced stats.
For that reason, Marcus should admit he's a homer. He claims to be going off of advanced stats ONLY [FACTS FACTS FACTS! ], when really, Gardiner is a far superior advanced stat dman than Trouba.

29 Sep 2018 16:54:05
Spin it all you want but Gardner is a defensive liability that the Leafs will have the pleasure of re-signing for $7 mil next year. He's part 6 in the Leafs venture into big time cap problems.

29 Sep 2018 16:57:48
All I did was point out that a guy who says advanced stats is everything, and says Trouba is far better than Gardiner can’t have it both ways. advanced Stats say quite the opposite. An eye test say Trouba is a lot better defensively, than Gardiner. Gardiner far better offensively than Trouba.

So if you consider both offense and Defense, and also consider both the eye test of actually watching them play and advanced stats, both players are good top 4 Dmen like I said all along. But one is not a superstar and one poor lol just not reality.

29 Sep 2018 17:05:43
And when there was talk of a Gardiner for Myers swap, these same jets fans said no way because Gardiners numbers are inflated by the PP. want another fact?

Jake Gardiner had 15 of his 52 pts on the PP last season

Tyler Myers had 17 of his 36 pts on the PP

Both played all 82 games.

So Marcus shouldn’t be talking about using facts and dumb arguments.

29 Sep 2018 18:12:37
Unbiased Jim
Stats don't show how many times Gardners defensive liabilities have hurt the Leafs when they needed him the most, and not only during game 7. He's a 28 year old pending UFA that will want $7 mil per year who makes the same mistakes now that an 18 year old rookie makes. But consider how pathetically weak the Leafs defense is I guess he is their good d-man.

29 Sep 2018 18:18:09
Yeah leave the advanced stats to guys like james tanner and let him make a fool of himself by using them.

29 Sep 2018 19:17:57
I’m not usually a big advanced stats guy at all. Marcus is the one who said use them lol then they show complete opposite of what he said they would, so now don’t use them? Haha figure it out guys, come on.

29 Sep 2018 19:19:01
If you are going to use advanced stats to try and prove a point, you need to use ones that keep the playing field level.

So, if you go by 5 on 5 points over the last two years Trouba is ranked 9th for defenseman in the NHL. So, on a level playing field Trouba, who according to Leafs homers, has no offence, is far ahead of both "Leafs offensive juggernaut" defenseman Reilly and Gardiner.

Then if you look at what is generally accepted as the best advanced stat for rating the defensive ability of defenseman, xG, Trouba is again near elite at the top of the pack while Reilly and Gardiner lag far behind.

When you level the playing field and don't cherry pick stats here and there, but instead look at the whole picture, Trouba is superior to both Gardiner and Reilly offensively and defensively.

You can't have it both ways. So, Jim and Slappers shouldn't be making dumb arguments with cherry picked stats, unless they are prepared to admit they are wrong, especially on the offensive abilities of Trouba and Gardiner.

29 Sep 2018 20:54:57
I guess we’ll see how things play out. Somehow the leafs with their “pathetic” defense are still rated above the jets in Vegas odds. I guess someone must think the leafs forwards, goalies and coaching staff are FAR superior than the jets.

29 Sep 2018 21:05:13
This is not the first time we’ve heard Joe say that the leafs are “begging” for Trouba. I thought you’d be smart enough to understand the circumstances, I was wrong. There is not a ton of young, RH defenseman available. Being that Trouba is the 3rd best defenseman in the league after Byfuglien and Myers, he should be playing a bigger role. This is why you hear Trouba’s name in trade proposals.

30 Sep 2018 02:18:51
Lol good read! From a neutral (Canucks fan) I'll take Trouba over Hannifin.

30 Sep 2018 02:51:09
Another hilarious post by a Leafs homer, Vegas odds. Lol. Who cares about Vegas odds. The games are played on the ice and last season the Jets finished far ahead of the Leafs, even though the Leafs played in probably the easiest division in the NHL and the Jets played in the toughest.

Then in the playoffs, despite the Leafs getting their preferred matchup and having a relatively easy route, the Leafs still ended up as first round fodder. While the Jets made it all the way to the conference finals, despite having the toughest route.

I know it is hard on Leafs fans that the Jets have accomplished more in less than 10 years than the Leafs have in over 50.

The smart money is on the Leafs being first round road kill once again and the Jets advancing far past that.

30 Sep 2018 03:56:12
Although, Leafs17, I do appreciate a Leafs homer finally coming out and admitting that the reason they are always begging for Trouba, is that he's a damn good defenseman and young to boot. Something that every team in the league wants and the exact reason the Jets won't trade him for a downgrade.

See it wasn't so hard to admit that!

30 Sep 2018 06:48:46
Must be leaf homers that posts the Vegas odds. I’m not thinking the leafs are winning the cup but you seem to have planned the parade for the jets.

30 Sep 2018 06:56:46
I do understand that the game is played on the ice, however, I do believe that the people that make the odds are smarter than ”memarcusjoe”. Someone gets paid to pick the odds, someone doesn’t.

30 Sep 2018 18:03:09
I love how I wrote, “ there is not a ton of young, RH defenseman available” and Joe turns it into me thinking every team in the league wants him. What a tool.

30 Sep 2018 18:23:26
That is always the mark of someone who doesn't have facts or knowledge to back up their statements. Start calling names like a six year old. Lol.

No matter how much you beg. You still can't have Trouba!

Another huge fail for a Leafs homer.

01 Oct 2018 04:17:06
Trouba is greedy and selfish and injury prone, he wants full time pay to work only part time hours. Nylander is greedy and selfish and soft like a marshmallow. He wants to be paid like a superstar, when all he really is only lucky to be the 4th wheel (or is that 5th wheel if we include Marleau) on Leafs monster truck of a team.

I would love to dump Nylander for RHD, but not for Trouba. I’d be wanting someone who is a little more team oriented and not willing to hold team hostage during contract negotiations. Let’s face it, if you think negotiations with Nylander haven’t been going so well, just imagine negotiating with Trouba next year.

Both Nylander and Trouba can take their play somewhere else that wants to overpay them. Both are very good players, yes, but their actions off the ice seem to indicate a “me first” philosophy and sets a bad example to their teammates. Jets are in very similar situation as Leafs right now, and if they overpay Trouba, it could lead to a devestaring cascade effect where everyone on the team coming up for renewal will be pushing for more money or holding out. Stop the bleeding at the source. Cut out the cancer before it consumes the rest of the team.

01 Oct 2018 05:26:22
LeafsGM says it pretty dead on. And MemarcusJoe, what has Winnipeg acomplished in 10 years that leafs haven’t in 50? Lol they haven’t won the cup. They went to one west final. Leafs went to a west final too lol and a cpl east finals. I don’t get it.

01 Oct 2018 05:34:51
Jets made the playoffs once since returning to Winnipeg before this season. They were swept in the 1st round. This year made the conference final and lost in 5. Where is the team success for the ‘last 10 years’ that other teams are supposed to envy?! Lol jets have a good team, I like their roster and their chances, but rubbing in the last 10 years as a success is a joke. Last 10 months?! Sure, You’ve got something there lol.

24 Sep 2018 20:03:29
Calgary: Bennett

Islanders: Ho-Sang.

24 Sep 2018 21:59:51
Not terrible. Bennett is a safer player. He will play in the NHL in some capacity for sure. Whether he puts it together and starts scoring like he should, or be a more specialized penalty killer bottom 6. HoSang on the other hand is a riskier pick. Kinda reminds me of rob Schremp. All the skill in the world but not the work ethic or attitude to succeed maybe. However if you trade a bottom 6 guy for HoSang and he grows up, could be a steal.

25 Sep 2018 01:30:45
Interesting. I think NYI says yes. And Calgary decides if Jankowski can be a solid third line center and if Ho/ Sang would for with Tkuchuk and Backlund or with Jankowski.
I think his speed and skill with Tkuchuk and Backlund could be pretty good. Then Frolik on a third line with Jamkowski. Solid third. Johny Mono Lindholm as a top line. Interesting.

25 Sep 2018 15:32:42
I like the deal, gives both players a change of scenery and maybe will be good for both players, But I think NYI would want more as I feel the new management looks highly on Ho Sang and want to give him a chance to prove himself.

25 Sep 2018 16:23:39
Pkane well ho sang was just recently cut by islanders so I don’t quite think they are too high on him yet, but with saying that I also read he did have a good camp. But Bennett like said before is a sure lock to play top 6 for an nhl team so while ho sang might have more offensive potential, Bennett is atleat nhl caliber now so I don’t think islanders would want more.

25 Sep 2018 18:39:31
There’s the story of Lou with Kadri in Toronto that could apply. He was having off ice issues and had been suspended by his own management and apparently Lou had a Dinner with Naz and his dad. Kinda laid everything out, saying it’s sink or swim time, and it’s last shot to grow up and be a part of the core. He did and next off season was rewarded with the 6 year deal that he has outproduced each year. So maybe Lou needs to do a similar type thing with HoSang before trading him for pennies on the dollar, because we would not have got a ton for Kadri at that point and if the trade was the wake up call he needed and he was scoring 30+ goals for another team while we got very little back, it would sting.

24 Sep 2018 15:29:13
Calgary - Michael Stone + Sam Bennett
Ottawa - 2019 3rd Round Pick + 2020 2nd Round Pick

Makes room for a younger players to play for the flames and sheds cap and gives Ottawa a positional need on D and reunites the Stone brothers. Bennett is more like a low risk high reward at this point.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Neal
Tkachuk - Backlund - Czarnik
Dube - Jankowski - Lindholm
Frolik - Ryan - Foo

Giordano - Brodie
Hanifin - Hamonic
Kulak - Andersson


24 Sep 2018 16:56:38
The Flames aren't trading Bennet for draft picks. Jeez. If they were to shop him, which I don't think they are or should, ot would probably be a one for one swap to try and stay competitive. Not for a draft pick.

25 Sep 2018 15:34:49
ottawa is rebuilding, why would they want to give away picks?

24 Sep 2018 08:37:29
Three Way Trade

TOR: William Nylander
CGY: TJ Brodie + Mark Jankowski
MTL: Victor Mete

Flames get Nylander
Leafs get Brodie + Mete
Canadiens get Jankowski

Upgrades :
Flames -
Gaudreau - Monahan - Neal
Tkachuk - Nylander - Czarnik
Dube - Backlund - Lindholm
Frolik - Ryan - Bennett

Leafs -
Morgan Rielly - TJ Brodie
Victor Mete - Nikita Zaitsev
Jake Gardiner - Ron Hainsey / Connor Carrick

Canadiens -
Drouin - Kotkaniemi - Gallagher
Tatar - Jankowski - Byron
Domi - Danault - Lehkonen
Hudon - Plekanec - Armia

24 Sep 2018 15:43:05
Completely unbelievable. Toronto should just give Calgary Nylander with no return. Why should they get anything back in return?

24 Sep 2018 17:20:36
Brutal for Toronto.

25 Sep 2018 14:15:24
I like this trade for the Habs. Not sure how Leaf fans will feel about.

25 Sep 2018 15:35:18
thunder turkey, so mete and brodie is no return now?

25 Sep 2018 17:51:33
No from mtl
Mete is the only good LHD Mtl has
Fair value wise but Habs like Meyer
Mete like's habs.

17 Sep 2018 21:02:26
Calgary Flames trade (C) Sam Bennett and (D) Rasmus Andersson to Montreal Canadiens in exchange for (LW) Arturri Lehkonen, (2019) 3rd-Round Pick & a (2020) Conditional 2nd-Round Pick.

(If Bennett staples 40+ points in 2018-19 then the 2nd turns into a 1st Round Pick)

Projected Forwards


J Gaudreau - S Monahan - E Lindholm
M Tkachuk - M Backlund - J Neal
A Lehkonen - M Jankowski - M Frolik
A Czarnik - D Ryan - B Pollock


J Drouin - S Bennett - T Tatar
M Domi - P Danault - C Hudon
P Byron - N Suzuki - J Armia
A Shaw - T Plekanec - N Sherbak

18 Sep 2018 01:05:31
Bennet is a third line center at best, I understan Montreal is rebuilding, but you still shouldn’t have him on the first line.

18 Sep 2018 02:25:47
That condition is brutal, Bennett should not be getting anything near a 1st, however I could see Montreal taking that and like leaf said he’s not going to be your first line center lol.

18 Sep 2018 06:16:40
No way should Habs trade this years 1st rounder. may end up being that Hughes kid. think they will battle Sens for the best odds at it.
Wouldn't be opposed to Bennett . but for the right price. but, I'm not really sure what his value is.? Is he still a prospective top 6? Or, is this who is is. a 10 goal 25 to 30 point 3rd liner.?

18 Sep 2018 22:02:42
Yeah, that condition is bad lol Sens get a 1st if the sharks get 9 years instead of 1 year of a superstar Dman. I get that using the Sens trade returns as a barometer is not ideal, but a forward hitting 40 points does not get you an added 1st rounder. If the habs don’t feel like Bennet could put up 40 points, they just don’t touch the initial trade to begin with. Anyone taking Bennett at this point is banking on a new situation sparking that offensive potential, not willing to pay future assets for him reaching the level of mediocre.

30 Sep 2018 10:43:32
Brett Polak!?!?!

17 Sep 2018 17:36:22
CGY - S Bennett & M Jankowski
MTL - A Lehkonen, 2019 3rd-Round Pick & 2020 1st-Round Pick

EDM - Jesse Puljujärvi & Milan Lucic
MTL - Victor Mete & Nikita Sherbak

J Drouin - M Jankowski - J Puljujärvi
T Tatar - P Danault - M Domi
M Lucic - S Bennett - C Hudon
P Byron - T Plekanec - A Shaw

17 Sep 2018 19:06:17
I think habs take their chances with their 1st and 3rd round picks than settling on Jankowski as a 1st line centre. Jankowski and Bennett are decent middle of the pack players, habs have those. They will keep the picks and try to find elite players.

18 Sep 2018 13:56:37
Montreal should definitely keep their picks cause they're going to stink, but I think jankowski is better than most would think, got 17 goals in 72 games as a rookie playing 3rd-4th line minutes.

18 Sep 2018 22:04:18
No way from Montreal on both.

04 Sep 2018 15:27:20
Calgary trades Rasmus Andersson to Toronto for McElhinney, Leivo and a 2nd round pick. Fills needs for both teams.

04 Sep 2018 16:09:13
Lol from Calgary.

04 Sep 2018 17:04:11
Fills calgary's need for ahl players?

04 Sep 2018 18:14:48
Fills the need of a qualified back up netminder for the oft injured Smith. And Leivo is just as good and if not better than the players currently on the Flames 4th line.

04 Sep 2018 22:23:56
take out the second and this gets you stone.

add a first if you want rasmus.

04 Sep 2018 23:40:33
Lol? Wasnt Andersson a 2nd round pick? he's a stud now even though he hasn't really played in the nhl?

04 Sep 2018 23:32:15
Don’t see it actually filling eithers needs because leafs need a for sure NHL Dman tonpkay good in his own zone. I’m not convinced 100% that’s Andersson . Easy no from Calgary though because he has potential to be a good impact player and the pieces going the other way don’t. Leafs take the deal and run, just don’t think it solves the problem they have right now. They have high potential Dmen in the system.

04 Sep 2018 23:39:03
And wasnt Andersson a 2nd rounder? So they get a similar pick back plus one of the best back up options from last year plus a decent 3rd or 4th line player. didn't realize he was the second coming of Nik Lidstrom all the sudden.

04 Sep 2018 23:49:33
Leivo wouldn't crack calgary's line up, who would you take out? Calgary has to many players on one way contracts so they need to ship out a couple roster players, andersson is 2 way so he's not the guy their going to trade.

05 Sep 2018 04:52:16
If Brower could crack the lineup lievo could.

05 Sep 2018 16:23:47
Well Brower was bought out so obviously not cracking flames roster, they signed and traded for better players this offseason. Vbb, who would you take out of calgary's lineup that leivo would replace since that other guy couldn't answer the question.

05 Sep 2018 20:15:30
Well top 9 is pretty set. But projected lines that I see have a furth line of Derek Ryan centring Curtis Lazar and a spot that has been vacated by brouwers buyout. So I’d say there’s a RW spot for him there, and I’d take him over Lazar as well. Unless these websites and I am missing someone, which could be the case, I’d say he cracks flames lineup.

05 Sep 2018 20:20:38
And saying Brouwer was bought out so that means he couldn’t crack the roster isn’t exactly correct. He couldn’t crack the roster as a $4+mill player is fair to say. If Brouwer was making $2 mill or less he would have a spot on just about any team in the leagues bottom 6. And since Leivo is making just about league minimum, he would have a spot on 90% of the leagues bottom 6 also, unfortunately not the one team that actually has him.

05 Sep 2018 21:34:15
I knew that and I’d replace the guy who is replacing Brouwer with Lievo.

06 Sep 2018 03:44:40
Gudreau-monahan-neal Tkachuk-backlund-frolik bennet-lindholm-hathaway czarnick-ryan-lazar/ jankowski. I suppose leivo could beat out Lazar/ jankowski 4th line but think Lazar is better suited for a 4th line guy but doubt he beats out those two and Hathaway, but I could be wrong. Think he's better than lazar but for the role I think you'd want leivo playing style in the top 9.

06 Sep 2018 17:43:05
Donscherry thinks zetterberg or or Gilmore would be worth 7th round draft picks when about to enter their primes, doesn't matter where you were drafted, matters how you progress. Andersson was a 2nd round pick but maybe by the end a lot of teams will be saying they shoulda taken him top half of the 1st, or maybe never established himself but right now is a pretty good prospect with high potential.

06 Sep 2018 17:48:13
Hey Shoots, i could of responded but when you make a ridiculous statement like "AHL players", its not really worth a response. McElhinney was one of the best backups in the league last year. Leivo can't make one of the deepest offences in the sport but he succeeded in the AHL and ecery time he was given playing time in Toronto. Like Jim said. I take him over Lazar and whoever would be your 4th line RW. Leivo also has the ability to move up the lineup in case of injury.
But let's see how the Flames do when the inevitable injury happens to Smith.
Also wasnt Andersson a 2nd round choice? I offered that in return plus pieces that help the Flames. If you are going to make an argument, at least make it a reasonable one. Andersson is not the 2nd coming of Lidstrom, he profiles as a 3-6 dman nothing more.

10 Sep 2018 12:24:34
That trade makes no sense, first of all draft position doesn't mean anything. All that means as a junior player teams thought you had a chance of being a star. So by saying 2nd round player for second player doesn't mean squat. I'm sure any team now would trade a 4th round pick for Gaudreau. Calgary doesn't need a older back up goalie they need to figure out if any they have will be Smith replacement. You guys might thing leivo is a good trade to us, if Calgary puts Andersson on the trade block the return will be a lot higher than that

10 Sep 2018 12:25:11
You guys that keep saying 2nd round player for 2nd player that means absolutely nothing. Draft is where teams think how good you are at that time. Ask any team now I bet all day long they trade a 4th rounder for Gaudreau I would even bet most would trade their first round. Yes Calgary needs a back up but not a 35 year old guy we need one of the young ones to step up and take that role.Leivo might be a decent prospect but if Calgary puts Andersson on the market the return would be a lot higher than that. Even if he only become 2nd pairing Dman the value is a lot higher than a bottom 6 forward.

12 Sep 2018 09:21:22
So what exactly has Andersson proven in the NHL to get such a high return? He is projected at a 2nd pairing dman at best. And by the way, Gaudreau IS A PROVEN nhler, Andersson is not so your comparison sucks. When Andersson proves himself in the Nhl then you cab argue.

18 Sep 2018 01:51:49
LMAO my comparison sucks? You are saying Andersson was a 2nd so here's a old ass goalie a player you don't need and a 2nd round draft pick. When Gaudreau was drafted no one though his potential was this high, drafting is luck unless you get the rare time like Crosby, OV or McDavid. So unless you have a crystal ball to determine Andersson potential no GM in their right mind would take the trade you offered. A 2nd line dman is worth a hell of a lot more than a 35 year old back up a bottom 6 forward and a 2nd round pick and if Toronto finishes where everyone thinks they can you might as well call that a 3rd round pick.

18 Sep 2018 01:56:28
And I never said the value of Andersson I said he's worth more as a potential 2nd line dman. With saying that how do you think the players your offering are worth anything? 35 year old back up goalie might get you a year or 2, Leivo had what 22 points in 55 games? That doesn't mean he's proven and a 2nd round pick that could just mean you get another AHL player.

25 Aug 2018 16:28:21
WPG: Morrisey
CGY: Hannifin

25 Aug 2018 17:22:10
Its a fair trade proposal that would never happen. Morrissey is the Jets #1 left shot d-man and the Flames just traded for Hannifin. Neither team would do it.

25 Aug 2018 19:37:02
Winnipeg would do it. Calgary wouldn’t though.

25 Aug 2018 20:00:36
Um pretty sure Winnipeg would gladly do that trade but not Calgary.

25 Aug 2018 20:22:31
Calgary says no.

25 Aug 2018 22:17:48
I have not once seen one of these Peg fans suggest that Winnipeg would do a trade. Their players are simply far too valuable.

26 Aug 2018 15:38:37
A 23 man roster of untouchables lol the perfect team.

26 Aug 2018 21:59:33
As much as. I hate agreeing with the Jets fans on this page, in a year or 2 Morrissey will be the better dman. Severely underated.

27 Aug 2018 04:50:43
Yup. No reason to trade Morrissey. He's the the left half of the top pairing on the second best team in the NHL.

27 Aug 2018 11:53:52
why would calgary trade a player they literally just traded for this quickly?

27 Aug 2018 11:56:20
why would calgary do this if they just acquired him?

27 Aug 2018 13:22:57
Now I can disagree we the Jets fans once again. They are not the 2nd best team in the league. They are a damn good team but not 2nd best.

27 Aug 2018 13:56:22
‘Second best’


Season hasn't even started buddy. You just made the playoffs last year, and that's because your goalie finally decided to wake up and play decently. If he plays anywhere near where he was two years ago when yall brought in Steve Mason, yall aren't even a top10 team🤣🤣🤣. So quit tooting your horn too early.

27 Aug 2018 15:54:38
This site is funny. Lol. Facts have absolutely no place here. The Jets were the second best team in the NHL last year, but sometimes here, they weren't the second best team last season. Lol.

27 Aug 2018 16:19:52
The fact is that two teams went to the Stanly Cup Final. Jets were not one of them.

27 Aug 2018 17:42:18
Maybe we should wait to see if Winnipeg can put together more than one good season in franchise history before calling them the 2nd best team.

27 Aug 2018 18:21:57
Thunder turkey literally just won the argument so this should be done with now lol.

27 Aug 2018 18:49:41
Statistically on the surface they are the 4th to best team but analytically + a surface analysis ( roster on paper ) of their roster suggests other wise. I’ll take Pittsburgh, Toronto, Tampa, Nashville and Washington over then next season.

28 Aug 2018 08:42:51
Still the best Canadian team, . If Talbot returns to form then they may have a battle with Edmonton for that title . I think only team on paper that's better is Bolts. but I guess this is why games are played.
Best forward core in the leagues
Top 5 D core in the league
Vezina finalist.
Hard team to beat .
Not sure how they will pull it off, but has chance to be a BlackHawks kinda dynasty.

28 Aug 2018 21:02:45
Edmonton better then Toronto? What? Are you high? Talbot could be the best goalie ever and they still can’t make the playoffs with Milian Lucic as a top 6 forward.

28 Aug 2018 22:10:01
Sosa is a secret Oiler fan vbb’s. His favourite player is Draisaitl. I actually think Winnipeg, Toronto and Edmonton will have the cup back in Canada before long. To leave Toronto out of the conversation of best Canadian team is absurd. Typical of a Montreal/ Edmonton fan though I guess. However, Canadian teams haven’t done anything in a long time, nobody should be too high and mighty on them.

29 Aug 2018 01:14:58
Not high. but yes. Edmonton could be much better than T. O. ya. you got Tavares. however. did ya do anything to fix your real issues
. nope. and your 1 2of Mathews and Tavares. . well. Give me McDavid and Draisaitl any day.
All the hate on Lucic. well. also kinda what u need. Leafs are soft.
Everyone complains bout Sekera. well. probably a top 4 on your team.
A decent year from Talbot. and Oilers beat Leafs in 7 game series in 6.

29 Aug 2018 02:06:46
Lol. Leafs 17. not a secret. I like the Oilers. my second team forsure. any Canadian team I get behind, for some reason, jus not huge on Nucks or Sens. I even like your Leafs. yes, I like Drais., but no. fav is McDavid
Sorry Leaf fans. I jus see Oilers a goalie. away. possibly Talbot . to being far superior to your team

Ps. hey. your better than my Habs.

29 Aug 2018 03:31:17
Sosa, the Oilers d is nothing to write home about either and the leafs have proven wingers to go with their 1/ 2/ 3 center man. You’ve been quite critical of the leafs since the Tavares signing. I’m sure if there was a stud d man for them to sign they would have tried. They did get an excellent center in his prime and have players that can be traded for a defenseman, WHEN it’s the right deal. You don’t just drastically over pay because you need a RH d man.

29 Aug 2018 15:39:51
Ya I have been critical of the Leafs since the Tavsres signing. I believe they went off there course, ya sure adding a good centerman is always good. however, I just think this team coulda spent that money elsewhere. also. how does Mathews take this? He wants to be the man. but he's kinda second star now . I dunno. Leafs know what they are doing, I'm sure. they are the pros. I am not.

29 Aug 2018 18:00:27
I’m really not sure how you can say the oilers D is better then the leafs. Defensively they probably are but leafs have 2 dynamic Dman in Gardiner and Rielly and the leafs have 2 elite PKers in in Brown and Hyman the leafs defense is extremely underrated. Mathews and McDavid are really not that far apart yes McDavid is better but Mathews is the much better scorer and much better defensively. Tavares vs Drais imo isn’t a question. And The oilers wingers are about as good as the Marlies and is without a question the worst in the NHL.

29 Aug 2018 21:15:56
How do you know how Matthews feels? From everything I’ve read and interviews I’ve seen, he wants to win. Not every player is Jack Eichel. Obviously you didn’t read the rest of my response. If a Drew Doughty was available to be signed instead of Tavares, I’m sure they would have. Teams win with center depth. Of course they could’ve spent that money elsewhere but they can trade Nylander/ Kapanen/ Brown/ 1st or any combination to get a defenseman, WHEN it’s the right deal. Do you think any team would give the leafs a high end defenseman without a massive over payment? Also, McDavid is the only player on the oilers that is far superior to anyone on the leafs. You should take another look at their rosters.

22 Aug 2018 05:34:45
Lets be realistic here and realize that the leafs are probably not going to be able to resign Gardiner. If they do, it'll probably require a certain Patrick Marleau to get traded. So that being said,

Option 1 (after July 1 next year):

TOR: Marleau

ARI: 4th or 5th round pick

Option 2:

TOR: Gardiner, Liljegren, Sparks, and 1st in 2020 (if Gardiner doesn't resign)

FLAMES: Gostisbehere

The Gardiner one probably isn't good enough and Philadelphia probably don't do it but I feel like Gardiner would go in a pretty big deal.

22 Aug 2018 05:58:47
Lol at that Ghost trade.

22 Aug 2018 13:46:27
I will bet money this will be Marleaus last year on the team. They front loaded the contract for a reason.

22 Aug 2018 13:55:18
First off, they won’t do that to Marleau. Second off, I’m assuming you mean flyers not flames. Thirdly, why can they sign Gardiner? What kind of a raise do you expect him to get?! Ryan Ellis justgot $6.25 mill. Gardiner makes just over $4mill now. The difference between what he makes now and him being paid more than Ryan Ellis is Ron Hainsey ($2.25mill) who’s contract ends the same day. And that’s if he eats the same or more than Ryan Ellis, which I have a hard time believing. You don’t operate in bad faith with a guy like Marleau over pennies. And flyers wouldn't take that deal.

22 Aug 2018 14:59:34
Marleau will probably retire and his contract will get traded. It was a way for the team to get him and give him more money. Almost positive this is how it turns out.

22 Aug 2018 15:41:52
Can’t see Marleau retiring, he’s still a productive player. Will probably retire a shark after his contract in Toronto is up or will sign for a year in San Jose first.

22 Aug 2018 15:43:26
so they are giving calgary assets to acquire a philly player? how does that work?

22 Aug 2018 17:21:41
Screwed that up, meant to be Flyers. I just don't feel like they can keep Marleau, Gardiner, Matthews, and Marner. I know the Gost trade is terrible, but it was just an idea. Ryan Elis is not a very good comparable because he said that he left money on the table to keep the Nashville core together. I would expect Gardiner to get at least that if he replicates last season's point totals. Plus I feel like they would definently do that to Marleau.

22 Aug 2018 19:17:08
They can't do that to Marleau, he has a NMC. he is definitely not going to waive that for ARI.

22 Aug 2018 21:17:58
Gardiner will be asked to leave money on the table to be part of a good team too, so I’d say he is comparable to the Ellis situation. Maybe not comparable player style, but both a year away from UFA, mid to late 20s and on good teams. If Gardiner wants to hit the jackpot (fully within his rights) he can do that on a team half as good. But no contending team can pay Gardiner $7mill+.

And if he’s asking $7mill, then not a chance philly trades a younger, cheaper player locked up for him lol.

28 Aug 2018 09:13:28
Calgary says yes.

15 Aug 2018 19:01:58
Detroit Trades:
Jimmy Howard
Gustav Nyquist (50 % retained)

Calgary Trades:
Tyler Parsons
3rd 2019
Conditional 2nd 2020 ( 1st if Nyquist re-signs)

Detroit does this to clear cap and gain a young goalie prospect with upside.

Calgary gets a veteran 1B goalie t share with Smith and depth for their Top 9.

Who adds? Is it fair?

15 Aug 2018 20:43:07
Calg can't add all that $$. Lol.

16 Aug 2018 18:49:49
@yupp That was my concern too.

I als forgot when I saw Capfriendly that they haven’t re-signed Hanafin.

Is there any cap they can send back? I know Brouwer was their main cap dump but he’s bought out.

Is the value fair otherwise?

16 Aug 2018 22:24:20
I don't see the Flames trading for aging guys when they already have a 36 year old goalie and they like their backup Rittich (? ) . And they just let older Brouwer go and made a trade to get younger on D and wing respectively. They have some good young players who are knocking on the door and will get their shot, I just do see them bringing in an old Howard with the two goalies they have now and an older winger when they just brought in Neal and Lindholm.
I think they would just rather keep that prospect. Also they can't fit that money anyways. But if they could I would say a big no from Calgary anyways.

17 Aug 2018 18:01:13
Parsons has struggled thus far its never a good sign for a goalie to be playing in the ECHL the future for him isn’t that bright and why would Philly need a struggling goalie prospect? Hart looks like a stud.

17 Aug 2018 18:03:09
Disregard my last post I’m not sure what I was thinking. I read the previous post and got confused.

18 Aug 2018 02:57:55

You make some good points. Thanks for the feedback.

Just trying to see if Wings can get a nice G prospect. After Howard and Bernier it’s all just hoping that one becomes a stud.

Is there any other teams that might consider moving a G prospect with Parsons similar upside?

31 Jul 2018 04:49:12
My trade got cut off it was



1st Round Pick

Flames receive - 1st-Round Pick + Kapanen
Canucks receive Liljegren + Hainsey
Leafs receive Brodie + Tanev

Morgan Rielly - Chris Tanev
TJ Brodie - Nikita Zaitsev
Jake Gardiner - Connor Carrick

31 Jul 2018 06:10:02
Bodie over Gardiner? No way but regardless you know nothing about the leafs because if you did you’d know Dermotte stepped up as a stable dman and is a lock on the roster especially over Carrick and probably Zaitsev. Also Bodie ( a LHD ) is more effective on the right side.

The lines would be
Gardiner-Tanev ( Gardiner needs Tanev way more then Rielly )

As for the trades not bad tbh imo.

31 Jul 2018 21:27:37
Well someone keeps referring to Brodie as bodie so obviously don't know much or anything about him so why you so quick to say no? Look him up, its T. J. Brodie.

01 Aug 2018 00:33:03
If an orthodontist spells Teeth, Teath does that mean he knows nothing about teeth or could it mean he studied his art in a forgin language 🤔 I know T. J Bodie ( Brodie ) plays on the flames, I know he’s a LHD and I know he had a down year with his switch to the left side. I think I’ll keep calling him Bodie for my self amusement.

31 Jul 2018 04:47:25

Vancouver Canucks
• (D) Chris Tanev

Calgary Flames
• (D) TJ Brodie

Toronto Maple Leafs
• (2019) 1st-Round Pick
• (D) Timothy Liljegren
• (D) Ron Hainsey
• (RW) Kasperi Kapanen

31 Jul 2018 04:54:14
That’s not a 3 way trade lol.

31 Jul 2018 04:44:20
The Toronto Maple Leafs trade (C) William Nylander to the Carolina Hurricanes in exchange for (RD) Justin Faulk.

The Toronto Maple Leafs also acquire (LD) TJ Brodie from the Calgary Flames in exchange for a (2019) 1st-Round Pick and (RW) Connor Brown.

The Toronto Maple Leafs then send (LD) Jake Gardiner to the Edmonton Oilers in exchange for (C) Ryan Strome.

Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Marleau - Matthews - Kapanen
Johnsson - Kadri - Strome
Ennis - Lindholm - Leivo

Rielly - Faulk
Brodie - Zaitsev
Carrick - Hainsey

31 Jul 2018 06:14:24
I’d do Nylander to Carolina for the rights to never have Faulk wear a leafs jersey, causing turnovers, goals and producing almost no offence.

Faulk would not bring back Nylander. The day Faulk wears a leafs jersey is the day I hop on the oilers bandwagon.

31 Jul 2018 13:31:42
1) Faulk must have banged VBBs mom at some point

2) would not trade Nylander for Faulk

3) the Brodie one is probably close in value, but I wouldn’t do it. Not the kind of upgrade I would want for that price.

4) Hell no lol just because Chirelli took strome back as value for a top 6 forward doesn’t mean anyone else thinks he’s worth a 50 pt top 4 D. One GM screwing the pooch on a trade does not create a new league wide value for that player. If chiarellis trades set league values, oilers should trade Larson to Colorado for Nate Mackinnon and a pick. Because Larson is worth a Hart trophy winning forward and Mackinnon finished second.

31 Jul 2018 14:11:46
Ohh my I just saw the Strome for Gardiner Trade that’s horid Gardiner out produced Strome as a Dman.

31 Jul 2018 15:14:33
Leafs get worse.

31 Jul 2018 20:52:38
2017/ 2018 Vezina trophy voting:
Rinne - 129 votes
Hellebuyck - 82
Vasilevsky - 21
F. Anderson - 12

2016/ 2017 Vezina voting:
Bobrovsky - 138
Holtby - 87
Price - 19
Talbot - 17

Talbot >> Anderson.

31 Jul 2018 21:50:17
Did I miss something yupp? Was there a Talbot/ Andersen debate somewhere? I’d love to see how that plays out.

31 Jul 2018 22:13:16
Hahaha. Ya that was the post below to Jims comment ranking Leafs players and mentioning Anderson and his 4th in Vezina voting. So I figure I would also just mention the previous 4th in vezina voting. Entertaining myself. 🍻🍻🍻.

31 Jul 2018 23:00:45
Wrong post but regardless, I’m not comparing players from team to team. Saying a goalie in the running for a Vezina, even though a distant 4th, could be considered more valuable than our own winger.

I guess you still get touchy when someone mentions Chiarelli though lol Strome for eberle, woof. Sorry just entertaining myself 😉.

01 Aug 2018 02:49:35
i liked getting rid of Eberle. Strome was never supposed to take over his role. But once the season started and Puljujarvi wasn't ready to take on Eberles role and Yamamoto went back down after his 9 games. PC should have made a deal for a winger then, had the cap space. That's what I would criticize him for.
Don't act like your team hasn't ever made and bad moves or signings. Lol. Jeez.
Phanuef, Lupul, Clarkson, Kessel, Robidas.

PC should have also traded for a D man when he knew Sekera would be out until December. Instead Aubutu and Benning weren't good enough to handle a full load. That was bad. He should have also traded for a back up goalie when talbot was out and he tried playing someone with less than 20 NHL games on a back to back in Toronto and Montreal in late November.

01 Aug 2018 05:02:44
The leafs current manegment hasn’t made any of those signings.

01 Aug 2018 13:45:47
Ohhhh you're absolutely right. The almighty Leafs are gods and you're not a homer.

01 Aug 2018 15:46:55
This management team is the one that made all those bad moves go away lol not make them. As where Chiarelli is the guy making the bonehead moves :

hall for Larson, eberle for Strome, 1st (barzal) and 2nd for Reinhart, Lucic contract, paid Draisaitl $34 mill more than his agent asked for 12 months earlier

He traded a 1st and 2nd (one becoming barzal) for 2012 4th overall Reinhart who had played 8 NHL games and never made their team. Then Yakupov is a bust and has to go with 110+ pts in 250 nhl games at the same age lol and he gets a 3rd rounder in return!

and he’s still the guy there allowed to call the shots and unable to get out from under a single bad contract in Lucic. Dorian and Bergevin are given a hard time, and rightfully so, but to be honest, the difference between them and Chiarelli in Connor Mcdavid.

01 Aug 2018 18:07:17
Oilers need to let go of Chareli he was fired from Boston for a good reason they should target Mark Hunter he made debatably the biggest dynasty in the mordern CHL with the London knights. Also the only bad move that the new leafs manegment made was Stephan Robidias. But it wasn’t that bad.

02 Aug 2018 04:11:02
Yeah lol leafs got out of Lupul, phaneuf, robidas, Clarkson and kessel, retaining a total of $1.2 mill per season and have kapanen, Andersen, Calvin pickard, Eemeli Rasanen (19 year old 6’7 d prospect) still with us to show for those deals (plus Nathan Horton of course lol)

Don’t think this management has a lot to apologize for. Leafs have added 5 of their top 7 players under this regime. (Matthews (handed to them), marner, JT, Andersen and Nylander)

Since Chiarelli took over, the only players he has upgraded is Mcdavid (handed to him) and trading for talbot. Besides that, he inherited RNH, Klefbom and Draisatl, and massively downgraded Hall and Eberle.

We let players walk to UFA that would be better than anyone he has managed to acquire in 3 years on the job.

22 Jul 2018 03:50:46

Flames - TJ Brodie
Canucks - Chris Tanev
Leafs - 1st-Round Pick + Travis Dermott + Kasperi Kapanen + Connor Brown

Breakdown -

Flames - 1st-Round Pick + Kasperi Kapanen

Canucks - Connor Brown + Travis Dermott

Leafs - TJ Brodie + Chris Tanev

TJ Brodie - Morgan Rielly
Jake Gardiner - Chris Tanev
Nikita Zaitsev - Connor Carrick

22 Jul 2018 06:03:30
No thanks. Brown, dermott and kapanen combined make what Tanev makes. I would rather find out what dermott is and keep the cheap assets.

22 Jul 2018 06:22:13
That's not a 3 way trade proposal it's 2 separate trades.

22 Jul 2018 13:04:43
Genuinelly, i don't think its that bad of a trade. Maybe VAncouver wants a tad more, but I think CGY gets what they want and TOR gets two solid dmen.

My only concern is that I think in terms of TOR’s cap situation, we woukdnt be able to keep both Brodie and Tanev. I’d rather go for one than both, imo.

22 Jul 2018 16:26:50
Good trade for Calgary imo.

22 Jul 2018 16:49:04
I hope the leafs go into the season as is. Like Jim said, I’d like to see a full season of Dermott and also see if Liljegren becomes a top 4. Next year is when they have to decide who’s getting paid and who’s getting traded. Maybe sign Bieksa or Hamhuis for a year, maybe both. They have money this year for one year signings and those 2 are still serviceable veterans IMO.

22 Jul 2018 20:43:05
Yeah. I watched a lot of marlies through the playoffs this year and I’d be shocked if Liljegren makes he leafs this year. Was the youngest player in the AHL this season and looked really good at times, but I don’t think he looked confident enough in the AHL to be a full time guy this season. Full season with no dermott and maybe no Holl down there could let him be the go to guy for the marlies and really grow.

I would have liked to see Rielly, Gardiner, zaitsev, dermott, carrick, ozighanov and for them to sign orpik for a year after his buyout. We still have $25 mill cap space for this one year. Give him $4-5 mill even, who cares. More than he’s worth but be a nice addition.

22 Jul 2018 21:27:46
25mil cap space?

22 Jul 2018 23:45:00
Yes Habby. Well $24,616,664, (sorry for exaggerating) with only Nylander to sign this season. Obviously we can go crazy with it because it needs to be there next season for Matthews and Marner, but to pay a decent upgrade on D on a one year deal. He’s already being paid by Avs for his buyout. If we give him $4 mill he will have a chance to win again and actually makes a lot more than he did last season.

22 Jul 2018 23:48:34
Orpik would be a nice addition too. Any one of those veteran d man would work. I definitely didn’t think Liljegren would be ready this year.

23 Jul 2018 00:01:40
NHLnumbers shows $24+ But missed a cpl small signings.
Cap friendly shows $14.7mill. But still has Horton on active roster. So his $5.3 goes on LTIR like every other year and we have $20 mill cap space.

23 Jul 2018 03:05:36
Ya habby, but they still have to sign nylander.

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