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13 Dec 2018 03:06:41
Buffalo: Okposo,Ristolianen,Sam Rienhart, Alex Nylander And 1st 2019

Saint Louis: Taresanko And Paryanko

Buffalo: Gets a goal Scoring RW to help Eichel with the Offensive load. Paryanko replaces Risto Dynamic offensive presence with a more rounded two way presence which would compliment Dahlin. Okposo is a cap dump and while the other 3 pieces are a tough loss Saint Louis debatably gives the two best pieces.

Saint Louis: gets a new presence on the blue line in Risto who is a big upgrade on the PP and 2 good young players who have potential to be very good. Rienhart is already established and could be even better with a change of scenery. Okposo is a solid depth player who can play any role.

13 Dec 2018 04:15:40
Yeah 4 years of 6 million cap dump on a 30 year old. That's a huge no.

You have value in this trade. The 1st eould have to be st. Louis 1st and if okoposo is included you would be adding your first as well.

Crazy cap dump.

13 Dec 2018 05:28:31
Please just say St. Louis. god. And oh my this would never happen haha.

28 Nov 2018 20:27:49
Chicago: anisimov
Washington: 3rd round pick

Chicago: Seabrook (25% Retained)
ottawa: Wolanin or Gagne

Chicago: Crawford + 2020 2nd
Buffalo: Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen.

28 Nov 2018 20:54:26
Washington absolutely cannot afford the Anisimov trade without losing salary.

Ottawa re-building seems like a strange destination to send an aging and deteriorating Seabrook.


Buffalo already has 32 year old Hutton. They may be looking to replace him, but not with Crawford, who would make for very expensive backup, or 1b tandem.

28 Nov 2018 22:22:33
what would you suggest for alternate destinations for anisimov and seabrook then? and i think the buffalo deal is fair, maybe send back hutton for another piece as well?

28 Nov 2018 23:19:57
Think anisimov would be a good fit in Washington, but ya, they only projected have a few hundred thousand dollars at the deadline. Always thought Edmonton would be a good spot Seabrook. But that would probably mean probably 50% retention. he's worth more than 3.5mil now but not when he's 38-39-40, he's already lost a step so its going to be ugly in a few years, never mind 5-6 years.

29 Nov 2018 00:50:39
Hutton and Ullmark are a huge reason for Buffalo success right now. Not a chance they trade one right now.

29 Nov 2018 02:35:47
Seabrook is untradable unless it’s for Lucic.

29 Nov 2018 03:57:24
Anisimov to New Jersey Devils for 3rd round pick; salary Dump and devils have cap room.

29 Nov 2018 04:45:33
Forget the untradable Seabrook for now and consider Duncan Keith while there is a chance to move him.

14 Oct 2018 23:14:17
Time to stir things up. Something original and outside the box.

Leafs sign Nylander 8x$7.5
Leafs sign Gardiner 5x$6.5

Leafs trade Marner, picks/ prospects
Buffalo trades Dahlin

Leafs trade Rielly
St. Louis trades Parayko

Marleau/ Matthews/ Kapanen
Hyman/ Tavares/ Nylander
Lindholm/ Kadri/ Brown
Johnsson/ Gauthier/ (Leivo)

Dahlin/ Parayko
Gardiner/ Zaitsev
Dermott/ Hainsey
*Ozhiganov
(Sandin/ Liljegren)
(Rasanen)

15 Oct 2018 00:02:55
Unless the picks and prospects going to buffalo are Liljegren Sandin and marner to don’t think buffalo considers this. they need defence more than another small skilled forward.

15 Oct 2018 00:39:58
So easy no from Buffalo.
As for St. Louis trade, interesting because of the weaker left side they have on D and Rielly + Petro could be a nice pairing but I’m going to say no from St. Louis due to command of what Parayko brings.

15 Oct 2018 01:24:38
Id rather keep Rielly, and Buffalo would never do that, they need d more than offense.

15 Oct 2018 01:53:13
Dont like any of it. Especially Gardiner for 5 more years.

15 Oct 2018 04:59:04
I figured one of the prospects would have to be Sandin. Yes. Just was hoping to keep him so when we trade Gardiner in a few years, Sandin would be 3LHD. No way I would be giving them Liljegren too. A 1st maybe and that would be max.

Marner would look good in Buffalo playing with the young guns they got over there. A core of Eichel, Reinhardt, Marner, Middlestadt, Nylander, and Skinner is very attractive.

15 Oct 2018 05:13:24
Yes but having Eichel, Reinhart, Middlestadt, Nylander, Skinner and Dahlin is even more attractive.
Such an easy no from Buffalo, a no, while laughing at Dubas on the phone. But Dubas would never even ask such a trade anyways he's smarter than that.

15 Oct 2018 07:25:38
@yupp

Drinking again tonight are we? You’re troll game is strong here. Marner for a prospect, no matter how good is a high risk/ high reward trade that Leafs would never make. And that’s why Dubas would never make the call to begin with.

Marner as setup man for Tavares or Matthews could be hitting 80-90 points this year. A long shot to compete for Art Ross Trophy, it still wouldn’t be inconceivable in a few years, as Marner will be a perennial top 10 producer in the league.

Not sure why Buffalo wouldn’t want a player on the team that could set up Eichel or Reinhart for 40+ goals a year like he is doing for Tavares right now in Toronto. Marner would be the best player on the team. Reinhart and Eichel are underperformers and need an elite winger to reach the next level.

15 Oct 2018 11:24:56
Think for Buffalo to consider getting rid of Dahlin you'd have to start with J. T. or Matthews and go from there. franchise player for franchise player?

15 Oct 2018 13:17:50
The only one drinking is the one who suggests Buffalo might trade Dahlin who they JUST drafted 1st overall and is a perfect fit for the team who was weak on D.

15 Oct 2018 14:13:20
Marner most definitely would not be the best player on buffalo also.

15 Oct 2018 19:53:08
@mcjesus, I’m on board with saying buffalo doesn’t make that trade lol they’re keeping Dahlin. But Marner/ Eichel could be a good debate. Eichel has had a cpl injuries, but when healthy has been great (.84 pts per game) . Marner has been healthier, played a season less, and had Stints on the 4th line (.85 pts per game) . Just read a stat today actually from the day he was promoted from the 4th line last season, including the 7 game series vs the bruins and the start of this year, in 53 games he has 28 goals and 42 assists for 70 pts. That’s a torrid pace. Obviously Eichel is that 1C that is going to garner more interest and gets a value advantage, but I don’t think putting them in a conversation together is that crazy.

16 Oct 2018 05:47:38
Are you all insane? Marner would easily be the best player on Buffalo. The Leafs would laugh at this and would never trade Marner or Matthews as they are untouchable as are Reilly and Tavares. As good as Eichel is he in my mind is still a gamble for me at 10 million a season over 8 years as he often gets injured and has not played a full season. As for Dahlin, I am not sold on this player as a franchise player. He may turn into a capable defender, only time will tell.

16 Oct 2018 14:04:47
@NylanderMagic. I’m soldnon Dahlin and he will be far more than a capable defender lol.

02 Oct 2018 19:51:14
Buffalo Trades
Girgensons
Moulson (AHL)

Toronto Trades
FGauthier
Timashov (AHL)
4th Round Pick 2019

Thoughts ?

03 Oct 2018 03:55:56
I can’t believe someone actually hit believable. Lol.

Absolutely not. Moulson and his $5M bucks to play AHL on lowly Sabers has no place on Leafs.

I think if Leafs are going to dump The Goat, it would be for a pick. Girgensons would be a depth player for us, and we kinda already have enough of those guys. Ennis in particular looks good.

29 Sep 2018 16:47:05
Buffalo Trades
Girgensons

Toronto Trades
Leivo
McElhinney

Sabres need a Vet Backup Goaltender and Leivo in Preseason looks like he is ready to play more than 20 games a Season.

Girgensons fills in the need for him and PLindholm to share the 4th Line Centre spot more a position depth move for the Leafs.

Thoughts ?

29 Sep 2018 17:53:16
Sabres will probably grab a goalie on waivers if they need one, but after investing in Hutton and being really high on Ullmark, I assume they split the work load. As for Leivo for Girgensons, neither is going to make a massive impact for the leafs, I’m sure people value Girgensons more because of first round pedigree and his “AllStar” appearance, but I would just stick with Leivo. Been here for a while, been a great teammate and showed loyalty, almost to a fault. I hope he gets his chance this year. Had a great game last night.

01 Oct 2018 03:48:30
At just 24 years of age, Girgensons has 348 games already under his belt. Is he a high producer? No. Is he a reliable fourth liner? Yes. With more experience and points in one season than Leivo has in his entire career, Girgensons really is the better player, and if Leafs could get him by dumping Leivo on Buffalo, I say go for it.

07 Sep 2018 17:56:26
Training Camp is right around the corner some rfa's still available.
Here's a deal towards the end of pre-season. If Reinhart hasn't signed with Buffalo

Van: sends Goldobin and Gaunce and one goalie likely Nilsson and a conditional pick

Buf: send Reinhart and Ullman

Buf upgrade in net, add a possible top six forward and add size to bottom six.

Van: Can afford to pay Reinhart 4 or 5 million a year.

07 Sep 2018 18:13:36
If Reinhart only wants $4 mill, he would be signed in buffalo first off. Secondly, sabres are really high on Ulmark. He wouldn’t be a throw in. They left William Carrier exposed which they didn’t have to, and added a draft pick to Vegas just for McPhee’s word that he wouldn’t select Ullmark in the expansion draft. If you think they will now, a year later, add him to the best player in the deal to get an average at best goalie, a decent prospect, and a bottom 6 forward you’re wrong. Lol.

07 Sep 2018 18:19:14
Lol can Buffalo not afford 4-5 mil a year and I’m just going to say no from Buffalo.

07 Sep 2018 18:52:11
I think ya need more than that for Reinhart.

07 Sep 2018 20:21:15
There just isn’t a deal to be made between these 2 teams.

07 Sep 2018 20:34:58
Also Nilsson had a 3.44 GAA and .901 sv% in 27 games. I understand the Canucks weren’t a good team in front of him, but he is far from a proven upgrade on anyone’s goaltending. Also I’m sure buffalo is watching the leafs closely as they would have first grab at Sparks/ Pickard on waivers who both have as much potential as Nilsson without giving up Ullmark and Reinhart.

07 Sep 2018 23:10:51
Lol easy pass from Buffalo.

15 Aug 2018 19:03:48
The Flyers should move Simmonds now because they will be facing a cap crunch when they need to sign their upcoming RFAs (Provorov, Konecny, Sanheim, Patrick) and can't give Simmonds the term and AAV he'll demand. Buffalo needs a character guy in the locker room to help change the culture and have the cap space in the short and medium term to sign him.

I've modelled it off the Schenn trade and adjusted for contracts, player value etc.

Philadelphia: Conditional SJ 1st 2019 (Kane trade), Conditional 2019 STL 1st (O'Reilly trade), Sobotka ($3.5MM UFA 2020) (borderline cap dump)

Buffalo: Simmonds ($3.975MM UFA 2018), Morin ($700k RFA 2021) NHL ready but injured until February (for the blue line long term)

Both should be firsts in the late teens or 20s.

15 Aug 2018 20:52:08
Seems like an overpayment from buffalo. He'll be an unrestricted free agent next year so his value decreases slightly due to the latter.

15 Aug 2018 23:17:28
What exactly are the conditions on the picks.

Values not bad for the beginning of the year.

15 Aug 2018 23:57:54
I would peg Simmonds as fetching a late first and a B prospect so I added Sobotka and Morin to balance things out. Buffalo has short and medium term cap space to resign Simmonds. I think Simmonds may want to commit to Buffalo if they give him AAV and term, he can play on an up and coming team with Eichel and Dahlin, and is close to Toronto. It also seems Buffalo is willing to part with futures for current talent to become relevant again and have a shot at the playoffs.

16 Aug 2018 18:14:15
2 1sts for rental? Big overpayment. + buffalos 1st will most likely be bottom 5. They lost there best 2 way forward and winger but replaced Kane with Skinner and you can’t count on a 18 year old dman to carry a team.

16 Aug 2018 18:37:02
He doesn't have buffalos 1st in this trade if you look they are both from other teams they also aren't just getting simmonds. Unless your thinking that morin is equal to sobotka.

16 Aug 2018 20:17:13
Yeah, it’s not Sabres own 1st rounder. But still it is apparently based on the Brayden Schenn trade but the blues got a 25 year old Schenn at $5 mill for 3 more years. This is one year and Simmonds, who is turning 30 in a week. He’s great at what he does, but I don’t see the 2 players as that comparable, or their current situations, so I wouldn’t assume that similar of a return. That’s just me though lol.

16 Aug 2018 21:59:13
Ohh okay my apologies but with that being said at the deadline I could see him maybe getting a 1st or a 2nd + a prospect like Liespic he had a weak season last year similar to Patches.

10 Aug 2018 02:32:09
Ottawa trades: Stone, Smith

Buffalo trades: Nylander, beaulieu, Girgensons, 1st round pick 2019, 2nd round pick 2020

10 Aug 2018 04:21:58
Literally doesn’t make Toronto any better unless Nylander is going to be demanding a higher cap than stone has currently. Imo.

10 Aug 2018 04:27:05
Doesn't involve Toronto bruh.

10 Aug 2018 05:51:11
Stone would look awfully nice beside Eichel.

10 Aug 2018 06:20:37
McJesus if your going to critique why don't you actually read the trade lol nice one bud.

10 Aug 2018 13:49:08
1 our of 3 names could have been confused with Toronto lol.

10 Aug 2018 16:13:43
Lol but jim you have to agree it really doesn't make toronto any better.

10 Aug 2018 18:34:37
He’s right lol we don’t get better what so ever. And we don’t get worse. Does that make it an even trade?!

10 Aug 2018 19:08:00
I’m confused why don’t you guys think he’d be good with Eichel? Do you not think he’s good enough because he definitely is.

10 Aug 2018 19:45:43
Hahahahahahaha oops.

10 Aug 2018 19:46:45
Like it’s true tho it doesn’t make Toronto any better bud lmao 😂.

10 Aug 2018 20:31:45
Didnt know girgenson and beaulieu play for the leafs lolol. You guys are amazing.

03 Aug 2018 14:51:27
Buffalo Sabres Lineup:

Jeff Skinner - Jack Eichel - Sam Reinhart
Connor Sheary - Casey Mittelstadt - Kyle Okposo
Alexander Nylander/ Scott Wilson - Patrick Berglund - Evan Rodrigues
Vladimir Sobotka - Zemgus Girgensons - Tage Thompson
**Danny O’Regan, CJ Smith

Rasmus Dahlin - Rasmus Ristolainen
Marco Scandella - Lawrence Pilut
Nathan Beaulieu - Jake McCabe
*Matt Hunwick

Trade Bait: Jason Pominville, Johan Larsson, Zach Bogosian, Casey Nelson, Nic Baptiste, Matt Moulson.

I think that BUF should package all of these pieces together (or a majority of them) to alleviate cap and allow these players to have places to play.

Trade:
(RW) Jason Pominville + (LW) Johan Larsson + (D) Zach Bogosian + (LW) Nic Baptiste to the Vegas Golden Knights in exchange for (D) Jon Merrill + (RW/ IR) David Clarkson + (G) Oscar Dansk + 2020 2nd Round Pick + 2019 3rd Round Pick.

Pominville >> Clarkson (Even though Clarkson counts towards IR)
Bogosian > Merrill (Main idea here is to get rid of Bogosians Contract, despite Bogo being better)
Larsson/ Baptiste.

03 Aug 2018 16:03:27
Lines aren’t bad really don’t think Dahlin will start to year on the 1st pair that’d be a huge mistake he’s 18 and not ready for top pairing minutes and I feel like Tage Thompson will be a little bit higher in the lineup.

03 Aug 2018 21:59:33
You’re right vbb, you know the disagrees are just Habby lol you could say Montreal is in the province of Quebec and he’s going to disagree with you. His time of the month.

But yeah a lot for buffalo this year depends on goaltending obviously. I like ROR and thought they would be worse without him but after seeing how much they got for him and how little they just gave up for skinner, I’m impressed. Going to be a lot more competitive than I expected, that’s for sure. If Hutton is as good this year as he’s shown in spurts last year, they should might battle for a wild card, or atleast play some meaningful games after February.

03 Aug 2018 22:35:41
Yeah I agree but I’m not very confident that Huton can effectively handle the workload as a starter but time will tell I think in a few years they’ll start to become a top team as Dahlen and their future draft picks develope.

03 Aug 2018 22:38:54
I only disagree to your post jim. I'd appreciate if you stopped the name drops lol. If you got to use my name in your posts to make them better then really what does that say about you lol. i actually agree with vbbb here which is somewhat rare lately.

04 Aug 2018 15:00:22
Hard to say where they put dahlin. Probably depends on preseason if it's first or second pair. Some players thrive on being thrown into the deep end.

05 Aug 2018 05:09:53
Habby, you click disagree on mine 5 times and agree on yours 5 times lol who’s the one that needs help? Again, I don’t relate my self worth to this, have a full life outside. Keep livin the dream kid.

05 Aug 2018 05:16:35
Jim what makes you think I do that. are you so sure your right all the time that other people can't hit the disagree button on your post. So it must be me cause heaven forbid someone else disagree with you. and I ain't no kid big boy I've seen my team win a few cups and on it was on a colour tv too.

06 Aug 2018 20:40:28
Because you’re the only response after most of mine with all the unbelievables, and as pkane pointed out on the last page, after you and I argued, there’s even unbelievables on the confirmed trade i posted lol has you written all over it.

I’ve told you this before, I don’t measure my self worth in your responses. You need to click believable on your own and unbelievable on people you don’t like to make yourself feel superior. Nothing I can do to stop you, and I wouldn’t anyway. You clearly need that in your life. Mines real good man.

06 Aug 2018 21:43:25
So like my reply above this one which had 0 disagrees the last 2 days and 10 minutes after you came back on here today mysteriously had 3 . hmmmmmmm what do you think went on there jim?

06 Aug 2018 21:44:49
The level of your paranoia is getting close to the level of your bias. We'll not really but you know what I mean.

07 Aug 2018 00:01:01
I click agree or disagree once lol I haven’t done more than one.

07 Aug 2018 05:45:46
Yeah ok jim. Cause you said it then it must be fact lol.

07 Aug 2018 12:45:40
Okay. Sabres didn't trade for Jeff skinner. I made that up lol.

07 Aug 2018 15:25:06
I didn't click disagree on that. I had posted the same trade before you why would I disagree. Stop playing the victim man.

02 Aug 2018 23:55:48
Confirmed Trade

Buffalo gets Jeff Skinner

Canes get Cliff Pu, 2nd, 3rd And 6th

Like this deal a lot for sabres. No top prospect or 1st rounder involved and add a guy who is only 25 and had 37 goals 2 years ago, 79 in last 3 seasons. Staying healthy will obviously be the key.

03 Aug 2018 04:57:07
Makes me wonder why Edmonton wouldn’t have tried really hard to make this work (maybe they did) I know cap space is an issue but at that price I’m shocked. That’s probably an equivilent of benson, 2nd, 3rd ans 6th. And that was trading within the conference. Being out west, certainly wouldn't cost more, maybe even a bit less. Don’t know their exact cap situation but for a chance to add skinner so cheap, could they not have given another asset to dump a salary, either to Carolina in this deal or elsewhere to make room?!

03 Aug 2018 04:59:30
Yup. Nice move by Buffalo. If he can stay away from concussions, this should work out great for Buffalo.

03 Aug 2018 14:36:50
Ya the oilers have about $5M in space right now and have to sign Nurse with that. No room at all I make a deal with no money going out for Skinner. Good suggestion tho lol.

03 Aug 2018 16:20:21
Yeah. I was just wondering if there was a way to send like Sekera back there (lived there a long time, might have connections there still) along with another asset in the deal. Because even another pick added into it doesn’t seem like a ton. I just think skinner would be a great fit for mcdavid, can score and is one of the best skaters in the league. I had a trade proposal a while ago of Ethan Bear and their 1st for him (before it was a 10th overal)

04 Aug 2018 00:08:04
I would have earlier asked Sekera is he would waive his no trade to go back to Carolina. And hen try to do something around Sekera/ Puljujarvi for Faulk/ Skinner. And extend Skinner after the season
But that was before we resigned some players and what not. Now it wouldn't have worked out.

04 Aug 2018 19:54:06
i will never understand why people put unbelievable for confirmed trades.

25 Jul 2018 18:08:10
WPG: Trouba
BUF: Ristolainen

25 Jul 2018 18:16:40
Not for me. Ristolainen is good on the power play, but terrible defensively. Sabres would need to add.

25 Jul 2018 19:40:55
I would prefer Risto. When does his contract come up? Trouba is fine, but not at what he wants to get paid.

25 Jul 2018 21:58:31
Risto at 5.4mill for 4 more seasons is worth more. I like Trouba better as a player. But 1 year $5.5 mill and then another fight to sign him makes me weary.

25 Jul 2018 23:18:25
I actually think this helps both teams Risto has been provin he can log more hard minutes more then Trouba. He’s played over 30 minuets a game at times on a train wreck of a defense he has tremendous potential imo he’s big and has a great shot. Trouba is much more proven defensively tho and would pair better with Dahlin.

26 Jul 2018 16:14:26
@vbb, some good points. I just think the cost certainty makes Buffalo day no. They know they have a really good you g RHD for 4 more years at a very fair cap hit. Why change unless there’s a problem where you have to? To move that asset for a similar age, same handidness, same position player and risk having Trouba refuse to sign or only sign one year again and walk himself into UFA would cripple them.

26 Jul 2018 21:53:43
Yah contract uncertainty would definitely way in And you’re probably buffalo declines. I think Winnepeg takes this because of Troubas unwillingness to resign to an reasonable contract. I feel like long term a Dahlin-Risto line would be pretty weak defensively compared to a Dahlin-Trouba line.

27 Jul 2018 04:21:35
I would do this trade if I were Chevy but I think that Buffalo would need reassurance from Trouba's camp that he would resign. If the Jets and Trouba are in a sign then trade situation the Jets they would want more than Risto. So Buff shouldn't do this trade unless they have Trouba locked up long term.

27 Jul 2018 19:20:55
Buffalo does not touch this trade risto is way better and still has upside and is better defensively and is meaner then Trouba.

27 Jul 2018 19:21:40
Marcus joe if you think that you need to watch more hockey. Risto is the better dman watch games not look at stupid corsi numbers.

27 Jul 2018 19:25:02
There is a small group in the hockey world who think risto is one of the worst defenceman in the league. I think his value on here like most places are inflated by putting up points on the PP. I won't go as far to say he's among the worse but he's really not good when he's not on the powerplay. could still have a little to do with the team he's playing on and being forced to play on the top pair when he should be on the 2nd or 3rd pair while at 5 on 5.

29 Jul 2018 05:32:52
It’s pretty hard to look good as a deffensman on buffalo.

11 Jul 2018 02:16:23
BUF: Nylander, Reinhart
CLB: Panarin

11 Jul 2018 12:28:50
columbus takes and runs
buffalo asks for more.

11 Jul 2018 15:05:29
Don’t think Columbus takes this and Runs it’s basically Rienhart and a late 1st/ early 2nd for a top 5 player for his position. Nylander has been very disappointing sadly.

Rienhart+ is a good base tho maybe this is actually a good deal not sure if buffalo would want to trade 2 former top 10 picks in the same trade tho.

11 Jul 2018 15:37:11
Why would Columbus take this and run? They get a top 20 point guy in the league and their franchise most points ever guy for a couple disappointments?

10 Jul 2018 18:33:11
Sabres trade: Nylander, guhle, 2nd round pick

Blue jackets trade: Panarin

10 Jul 2018 19:16:09
No from Columbus Nylander is approaching bust territory.

11 Jul 2018 01:11:32
How is a 60pt player hitting bust. Either you were being funny or your kinda short bus special.

11 Jul 2018 07:45:56
It's A. Nylander not Willie.

11 Jul 2018 11:09:24
Wow Colt. Wow.

11 Jul 2018 15:10:30
I’ll let this one slip colt but next time read the names of the teams.

09 Jul 2018 17:41:17
Price and Lehkonen for Talbot, RNH, Lucic and conditional 2nd
(becomes a 1st if Edmonton makes the playoffs)

Edmonton gets big goaltending upgrade and cap relief and Montreal gets a #2 center (#1 in Montreal’s lineup) and use up their cap space to get a pick for rebuild.

Talbot and Byron for Buffalos 1st 2019 lottery protected.

Talbot and Hutton battle it out in buffalo for number 1 spot and there is no way that buffalo can do bad this year looking at their roster so I feel like the pick will be 16-22.

09 Jul 2018 18:06:17
I don't want anything to do with Price contract. Nothing at all. Terrible contract for its entirety considering his age and decline. No goalie is worth that certainly not one who's like 29-37 years old for that money.

09 Jul 2018 18:26:20
@Yup you overvalue Lucic so much you believe he’s some generational talent and talk like he’s McDavid when the reality is he’s Ryan Reeves ( but worse at fighting) in the NHL with the ability to be a great 1st liner in the AHL. On the Canadians he’d be on the 3rd line putting up 15-25 points being payed 6 million. He has a terrible contract and Is the reason the oilers aren’t a playoff team.

Lucic cancels out all of Nuges value so I guess it’s Talbot and 2nd for the best goalie in the NHL?

Que all the the butthurt oilers fans.

09 Jul 2018 18:53:26
Here goes vb talking about random things nobody said. Rarely says anything on topic. Its amazing.

09 Jul 2018 19:07:45
Well I mean I was saying oilers make the trade and talking about how the value works out so I mean., I guess this is one of those rare times I’d imagine.

09 Jul 2018 19:31:30
W. T. F. 😳😳😳. I literally said nothing about Lucic. Nor have I ever really. You're fuked bud.

09 Jul 2018 19:42:02
Its the fact that you said no to the trade and said no to to trades like 10th overall + Lucic for future considerations.

09 Jul 2018 19:59:38
Vbbbvvbb. that is a horrible trade for the Oil. Price's contract is horrible and the Oil would most definitely turn it down. And I am a fan of neither team.

09 Jul 2018 20:12:28
Lol. Vbb. “The best goalie in the nhl” yet wasnt even a runner up for the vezina.

10 Jul 2018 01:46:35
He was injured? And on the worst team? Put him on oilers he wins the Hart.

10 Jul 2018 15:14:48
Even with his contract, Price is one of the best nhl goalies
He’s 100% better than Talbot and Lucic cancels RNH value
That’s a huge no from MTL.

02 Jul 2018 02:38:12
Confirmed trade:

Buffalo- Ryan O'Rielly

Saint Louis- Patrick Berglund, Vladimir Sobotka, Tage Thompson, 2019 1st and 2021 2nd

My opinion is it's a great trade for saint Louis and a good trade for Buffalo. Berglund and Sobotka have a little bit of value but they were included for cap reasons they will bring good depth for the Sabres. Tage Thompson looks like a promising prospect with potential to step right in the line up. The 1st and 2nd add more value. Ryan O'Rielly is a true number one Center and one of the best 2 way players in the game. He will be a big addition to the Blues a Schwartz-O'Rielly-Taresanko will be fun to watch. O'Rielly clearly wasn't fitting in, in Buffalo

02 Jul 2018 04:21:08
I don't think he is a true number 1 center but a real good number 2. Buffalo did we'll in the deal but St. Louis didn't have to give up Thomas or kyrou to get him so it's ok for them too I guess. If blues get real good goaltending they might make a run at it this year.

02 Jul 2018 05:03:38
He’s a top 30c in the NHL probably top 20. So he’s a 1st line c.

02 Jul 2018 06:57:09
Yeah I'm sure he can play 1st line center but he's not what I would consider a true number 1.

02 Jul 2018 07:33:12
I think blues won this trade.

Also Schwartz and schenn have ridiculous chemistry together. Lines could be as follows

Fabbri O'Reilly tarasenko
Schwartz schenn kyrou
Perron bozak Thomas
Steen barbashev jaskin soshnikov

Edds petro
Dunn parayko
Jaybo schmaltz borts.

02 Jul 2018 17:08:02
It was a lot to gget be up for sure. When I saw the final trade a assumes that meant Buffalo was paying the 7.5 mill signing bonus owed yesterday. For them to get all that plus blues paid the bonus. great job. But from blues perspective, they got a really good centre while minimizing what roster players and top prospects left. Getting bozak without giving up assets obviously helps that.

02 Jul 2018 21:54:11
Also blues save 1 mil on the cap.

03 Jul 2018 03:41:11
Bringing david perron back into the mix as well should help.

24 Jun 2018 20:43:15
Montreal: Pacioretty, McCarron, Rychel

Buffalo: O'Reilly

24 Jun 2018 21:23:46
Too much for oreilly.

24 Jun 2018 21:40:10
This is still pacioretty and 2 bottom 6 (at best) forwards. Worse than the patches/ Byron/ shaw one earlier. Byron is better than both these players but Shaw’s contract is worse than anyone else’s. Probably balances out.

24 Jun 2018 21:44:12
Stop with O'Reilly. we'll manage and we got like 6 or 7 centers prospects.

24 Jun 2018 00:17:17
Just a proposal, i know buffalo wanted young players or draft picks but value wise this still might be fair and help buffalo add good wingers to play with mittlestadt and eichel and now with dahlin they might compete

Montreal: pacioretty, byron, A. Shaw

Buffalo: ryan orielly


Pacioretty has a good valueand is an elite winger which eichel would love to play with and is affordable if they resign now after a rough year. Every team wants a paul byron a speedy hard working winger who puts up points and versatile, aslo cheap contract. Shaw is a bit of a cap dump to buffalo but his contract isn't huge and he still is young puts up points works hard and was a previous 50 pt player when healthy. All would be helpful to buffalos weak wingers.

Drouin-oreilly-gallagher
Domi-danault-lehkonen
Hudon-koktaniemi-scherbak
Deslauriers-DLR-carr

Mete-weber
Reilly-petry
Alzner-juulsen


If montreal wanted new fire power on the wings there's lots of great winger free agents available as well as they could sign stastny if they have cap room. Players on montreals lines are interchangeable

Realistic thoughts?

24 Jun 2018 01:54:37
Realistic thoughts is I can’t see buffalo accepting that.

24 Jun 2018 02:33:54
That’s not even close for O’Rielly. He should bring back a package similar to Dougie Hamilton.

24 Jun 2018 04:09:50
Realistically if you want a top tier center like ror the price is going to be painful. This seems like only the spare parts no one would miss.

24 Jun 2018 07:47:13
Only piece there that has real value is pacioretty and as good as he can be, he’s a scoring winger vs a 200 foot centre with 60+ pt capability. Need a top prospect or first round pick with patches to start the conversation. Not a 3rd liner and an overpaid 4th liner. Shaw is a terrible contract. That’s a negative at worst or a break even nothing if a team really needs a player like him. He holds zero value with that term and salary.

24 Jun 2018 15:22:45
I agree with Unbiased Jim thinking about it more he Should get a little bit more then Duchene got. O’Riellys 2way ability are up there with Bergeron and Kopitar.

24 Jun 2018 17:20:57
This is not the type of offer buffalo would want though.

24 Jun 2018 17:19:15
Oreilly two way game isn't to the level of those two guys. He is elite at two things face offs and on the power play. He is just good at everything else not elite and his offense at 5 on 5 could be considered a shade less then good. He has a 7 mil signing bonus owed to him on July 1st which teams looking to aquire him would sooner not pay. So either buff drops the asking price before then or they pay it on July 1st and trade him or they pay it and then he stays. anything can happen yet. I don't think they get the value duchene got though especially not before July 1st.

24 Jun 2018 18:52:08
He was the most trusted player defensively at the World Cup for team Canada was on the top PK that says something. It may look bad because the Sabres are horrible.

24 Jun 2018 19:20:56
He’s a really good defensive player who plays fairly physical, smart physical tho, not like running guys over. 61 pts And only had 2 PIMS all year (only penalty was playing the puck with a broken stick) That tells me he plays the game the right way and the way coaches want their top players to play. He’s worth a lot more than one year of a good winger and 2 bottom 6 players (one of which has a terrible contract)

24 Jun 2018 19:24:28
Especially when he would walk on the habs as their best centre by a mile and probably their best centre in over a decade. If you think he’s not ‘elite’ that’s fine, but that puts every person Montreal has tried to fill that spot with as average at best.

24 Jun 2018 19:43:05
damn people really overestimate the value of their player. O'Reilly is good but not worth all that. maybe for pacio and a draft pick like a 3rd round for O'Reilly and a 4th round draft pick! People think that we need it now. well the Habs drafted like 5 or 6 center potential center!

24 Jun 2018 20:51:37
He's real good but not elite and everyone montreal tried to play at center was even worse then him at it I would agree. he for sure is a better center then plekanec drouin daneult desharnais and galchenyuk. But he's not as good as kopitar or bergeron.

24 Jun 2018 21:02:04
But yeah vbbbvvbb he would probably be even better on a better team. Hasn't really played on a good team yet.

24 Jun 2018 21:21:46
O'Reilly is a very good player but I think that pacioretty has been undervalued. I'm sure if u looked at top goal s orders cumulutavely over last 5 years he is among the leaders.

24 Jun 2018 21:45:10
Patches is a good way to get the conversation started. Just saying those other 2 guys do nothing for sabres. Byron isn’t bad, fast and can score in the right situation, but any team can find 5 guys internally to do what shaw does for 20% of the money.

24 Jun 2018 21:45:10
Patches is a good way to get the conversation started. Just saying those other 2 guys do nothing for sabres. Byron isn’t bad, fast and can score in the right situation, but any team can find 5 guys internally to do what shaw does for 20% of the money.

24 Jun 2018 21:52:00
Ohh no I’m not saying he’s on the same tier as those players. O’Rielly, Couture, Mohnahan And Ryan Johanson are on the same level imo.

26 Jun 2018 02:26:22
O'Reilly is a great player but his cap hit lowers his value IMO. 7.8M is a lot for a fringe 1st liner/ 2nd liner.

23 Jun 2018 19:02:41
How about this.

Buf : 1st overall, eichel, 3rd rounder

Ott : Karlsson, duchenne, 22nd overall

Buffalo still gets a mid 1st rounder and adds a top end center plus the best defenceman in the world

Ottawa saves money while adding 2 future studs without moving the 4th overall.

23 Jun 2018 19:21:40
I'm shocked that this hasn't happened already. Lol.

23 Jun 2018 20:05:37
Huge no from buffalo if you want Dahlin or Connor McDavid it’ll take.

Dahlin or McDavid for Karlsson, Tkachuk, Stone, Chabot, White and Ryan ( cap dump )

I’m Implying Dahlin=McDavid

Ottawa could do a full rebuild around Dahlin.

24 Jun 2018 08:04:44
Karlsson doesn’t get Dahlin. And that sounds dumb because he hasn’t played a game. But Karlsson is one year and Dahlin has the ability to be the best player on your team for 15 years. Craig Button (and I know he can be annoying at times) has been scouting for NHL teams for 30+ years as a scout and GM and Analyst and he says there hasn’t been a D prospect as good as Dahlin since Dennis potvin went first overall to islanders, captained 5 Stanley cups and was first ballot hall of famer. Do I guarantee Dahlin has that same fate? Absolutely not. Do I acknowledge Craig button is smarter with this stuff than people posting rumors on this site? Yes. (Especially Rambo ;) )

24 Jun 2018 15:02:44
1st of I posted this week's ago. Not sure why it's only showing up now.

2nd off dahlin does NOT = McDavid

3rd off get out of dream world unbiased Jim. Karlsson is the proven best defenseman in the world and proved it in the NHL. Dahlin has great potential sure but he's barely putting up a half a point a game in the khl which is basically a league built around NHL old timers or throwaways and those who aren't good enough to make the NHL with the odd semi talented player in ever 50 to 100 of them. So yeah, Karlsson gets you dahlin and then some no matter how you look at it. Great potential does NOT out weigh proven ability in any way whatsoever!

24 Jun 2018 15:13:46
And leave it to vbbvbb to post the joke of the day lol

Eichel and duchene are fairly close in stats totals with eichel edging out a bit while dahlin potential and Karlsson proven ability cancel each others value out which would have left the value of that 22nd over the 3rd to make up the slight difference.

So again, tell me how you guys don't undervalue sense players again when you make comments like these?

24 Jun 2018 15:37:14
Holy crap you are insane Because of age alike eichel is worth a ton more than Duchene not to mention eichel is a batter hockey player. Like holy we don't undervalue Sens players, Duchene is good but no where near as valuable as eichel. You just completely insanely OVERVALUE Sens players daily. It's so crazy.
I'm completely shocked how you defend some of your homer biased thoughts.

24 Jun 2018 18:55:31
Wow you’re a train wreck man you litterly know nothing you are talking about Dahlins production in the “KHL” when he never played a game there.

24 Jun 2018 19:51:24
Dahlin in the KHL? Lol do you even know who you are asking about in this trade? That shows how misinformed you are, but just to help you out, Dahlin is supposed to be a lot more complete and all round more like victor Hedman than all offense like Karlsson but.

Karlsson
18 yr old (draft year) 7gp 0g 1a 1pt in top division
19 yr old 45gp 5g 5a 10 pts

Hedman
18 yr old (draft year) 43gp 7g 14a 21 pts in top division
19 yr old. In the NHL

Dahlin
18 year old (draft year) 41gp 7g 13a 20pts in top division.

He played more games in the top Swedish division as a 16 and 17 year old than Karlsson did as an 18 and 19 year old.
Can’t expect you to look at this and use common sense tho to see he’s far more developed into a star at 18 than Karlsson was and projects to be atleast as good and probabaly better. Add in the fact he’s 18, a controllable asset for 8 years minimum and makes $975k for the next 3 years while Karlsson will make 6.5, 11, 11 probably and it’s a no brainer. Also you said hoffman would get a top 10 pick and a top prospect and Sens got scraps for him, so we can wait and see what Karlsson gets and then you can hide for 3 days again.

24 Jun 2018 22:36:36
Congratulations Rambo, you’ve done it again. I think you win the most delusional award for this site. There has been many come and go over the years, but you bring it day after day. Like yupp said, the 6 year age difference between Eichel and Duchene says it all.

You were right about similar stats but Eichel is just getting warmed up. Karlsson is great, you remind us every day. If Dahlin is half the player Karlsson is, the 10 year age difference says it all once again. From what every anylyst says he’s going to be a stud, which makes him that much more valuable than Karlsson.

25 Jun 2018 22:40:53
The question is not their value as teens or when Karlsson was the same age you goof it's based on current value NOT Could be value. there's a big difference. my could be value I could say is higher than dahlins does that make it true? No!


Current actuall skill will always rank higher than future could be skill. always has and always will. you don't pass on an opportunity to get the best player in his prime to take a shot that a kid will surpass him. despite how good he's projected it's still not a guarentee where as Karlsson is a guarantee as best defenceman in the world hands down.

22 Jun 2018 03:23:58
So 3 things have been linked between the Sabres-Canadians per ((((Darren Dreger ))))1. The Canadians are extremely interested in O'Rielly and the Sabres want the 3rd overall back.

2. The Sabres are the front runners for Max Pacioretty?

Proposal-

Sabres- O'Rielly, Alex Nylander and 1st 2019 ( top 3 protected )

Montreal- Max Pacioretty and 3rd overall

Thoughts?

- Alex Nylander has fallen out of favour in buffalo and probably need a change of scenery, Zandina brings an Elite winger for Eichel and Pacioretty is likely a Kane replacement who'd likely resign if wanted.

-Montreal gets one of the best 2way c in the nhl and fills the 1c hole well, Nylander has tons of talent and could excel in a new system and a potential top 10 pick next year.

22 Jun 2018 04:58:02
Lmfao and you were laughing when I posted the 4th and a 3rd for the 3rd lol. dude this is 10 times worst your basically giving patches for O'Reilly then an unproven prospect and what will prob be a mid to late pick for the 3rd overall. no chance has bite on this trash.

22 Jun 2018 12:35:34
Yeah because O’Rielly isn’t 10x as good as patches ( also isn’t a top 15 C in the NHL ) and yah man Buffalo will go from dead last to a contender you’re right. Don’t comment on posts if you have nothing to contribute.

22 Jun 2018 13:43:53
My personal opinion (Habs fan here) Is that MTL stays away from O'Rielly, He's a good center but my problem with him is Buffalo will be asking way too much to get him. The trade is alright but I just don't see O'Rielly as a 1C and for Patch and 3rd OVA i'd rather a proven 1C with a young Proven player in this trade there is too many question marks for the habs to consider. Also Buf could go from really bad to just in playoffs just look at COL this year it's not like it hasn't happened before.

22 Jun 2018 22:23:02
That’s a decent offer nylander is projected to be better then his brother.

22 Jun 2018 23:25:09
O'rielly is not 10 times better than patches lmfao what on earth do you smoke when you value players? O'Reilly had 3 60+ point seasons the best being 64 while patches had at least 5 60+ point seasons 2 of which he reached 67. if anything patches is worth more because of that plus his 4.65 million contract. and buffalo getting dahlin instantly makes them better than a lotto pick and if this deal went through they'd have another proven top 6 winger in patches and whoever they draft with 3rd overall would also be a top 6 guy making them even better yet so yeah they'd at least be fighting for a playoff spot this making montreal the clear loser of this deal genius.

I'm not a habs fan but if I was I'd be appalled at the thought of this at it would be right up there with that trashy Hoffman trade Dorian made.

I can't believe I'm defending the hand on this but get off the crack pipe vbbvbb your posts are atrocious best and pathetic at worst. it's a very good thing you don't run a teams actually management team as your be fired after your 1st couple trades.

23 Jun 2018 00:04:14
Willliam Nylanders sophomore season as a leaf

81GP 22G 39A 61P ( NHL )

Alexander Nylanders sophomore season as a Sabre
Note- still not an NHLer playing 3rd line in the AHL

NHL 3GP 1G 0A 1P AHL stats- 51GP 8G 22A

Not sure how you think he’ll be better then Willam. William out produced his AHL numbers while in the NHL.

23 Jun 2018 07:26:59
Whatever ram smokes makes him value wingers on rental contracts higher than a centerman with term, good for him. he also thinks bobby ryan has positive value, probably thinks craig anderson does too.

23 Jun 2018 19:00:04
no no no Nylander is a complete bust and buffalo will be good if we give them a ll that and they draft dahlin so 2019 first will be low heck no.

22 Jun 2018 03:01:32
Buffalo trades: O'reilly, Reinhart

Montreal trades: 3rd overall, Pacioretty

 
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