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21 Apr 2018 19:43:49
to Florida
O'Reilly

to Buffalo
Bjugstad
3rd
7th.

21 Apr 2018 20:51:10
Buffalo can get bettet than that. O'Reilly is a top 2 way center in the league. (I didn't say top center) .

21 Apr 2018 21:26:12
bjugstad is 25 and coming off a 50 point season.

21 Apr 2018 06:19:40
Carolina Hurricanes: Noah Hanifin, Elias Lindholm
Buffalo Sabres: Sam Reinhart, Casey Mittlestadt, Ryan O'Rielly, Third Round Pick 2018

Di Giuseppe - J Staal - J Williams
S Aho - R O'Rielly - T Teravainen
J Skinner - C Mittlestadt - S Reinhart


How's the value?

21 Apr 2018 06:59:56
Carolina fan wth buffalo says hell no.

21 Apr 2018 12:17:36
Buffalo is giving up 2 of the most valuable pieces. Hanfin is good but is an extreme defencive liability. One day he’ll probably be a good 2nd dman to a team but he’ll never be an elite dman he is already shadowed behind Slavin and Pesce to a certain extent. Rienhart for Hanfin would be a fair swap. No way they give up Middlestad.

19 Apr 2018 23:45:30
Obviously the need for a quality number 1 center in mtl is big. Like I said on multiple ocasuon I don5 believe the answer is within the pick we have in this draft becauze they're is no center worthy of being picked in the top 10 imo. And mtl's pick will likely be in top 5 unless the lottery decides otherwise? Not sure how the odds work or all the rule for that so I can't say we have a garanted top 5 pick. Maybe you guys can let me know below if theures a chaces mtl's pick falls out of the top 5. But to go back on subject do u guys think this pick should be used to traded for a young already drafted center prospect? I do and this is what I propose.

Mtl:1 rd 2018,3rd 2018

Buff:Mittelstad(5 points in 6 nhl games)

Does Buffalo consider this?

20 Apr 2018 00:39:29
Yes they definately consider this. They have good Center depth and there are 3 d men worthy of being picked in top 5. Obviously they’d want to wait for lottery but if the picks falls between 3-5 I think they take it into consideration.

20 Apr 2018 00:42:58
I think the Sabres would be Intrigued having Tkachuk as Eichels wing. I think they consider. Middlestad has crazy potential tho. Also it’s very unlikely they pick 4th.

20 Apr 2018 01:03:18
If this were to happen. What would be your plan for Mittelstadt next season Colt?

20 Apr 2018 04:40:57
I'm not sold on Mittlestad.
Rather make a deal for Reinhart. and keep our pick.

20 Apr 2018 12:35:09
Yea that was my thinking too in terms of they're center depth. And they drafted him 8 overall just last year and now get a lower pick so kind of a of a win win for both teams. Thanks for the feedback Xcing.

20 Apr 2018 12:52:35
I like mittlestadt as a player but I'm not sure if he's ready to be a top line center just yet. habs could end up trading for another player who would be better playing wing. At least for a year or two.

20 Apr 2018 13:00:02
I get it sosa 100%. But at the end of the day we need a real number one center and although Mittelstad is no guaranteed to be one, after is really good stint in the nhl, and mananing to get 5 points in 6 games playing on the third line mostly, and after having another really solid season in the big 10, I have to tell ya i'm sold.

20 Apr 2018 14:27:28
So you would play him top like center in Montreal from game one next season Colt?

20 Apr 2018 15:03:21
Would do it but I want montreal to try Tkachuk at centre.

20 Apr 2018 15:59:31
Tkachuck is played center from time to time in juniors but probably won't be at the nhl level i'm sorry to say. that's not taking anything away from his skills because he truly is a better version of his brother. But when your playing center at the nhl level you have to be the first guy back in his zone after an attack and seeing him play on several ocasion (only once in person tho) I feel like he relies too much on his defensemen when he plays center which is okay in juniors but with the speed at the nhl level it dosent work at all. Kinna what happen with Alex Galchenyuk.

He played center like that in juniors and it worked but at the nhl level because he was so used to play this way and continued to do so It just dint work. i'm not saying Tkachuck can't be a center at the nhl level, but if he wants to he would have to work hard to change his games and how he sees the play.

18 Apr 2018 22:43:39
Sabres need help, man. I bet these players get traded regardless, so this is a scenario I can see working.

to St Louis
Lehner

to Buffalo
Allen

Two goaltenders who have shown flashes of brilliance, but also probably would benefit from a change in scenery.

---------------------------------------------

to Calgary
O'Reilly

to Buffalo
Tkachuk
Brouwer

Brouwer has negative value to Calgary due to his cap term and hit, but would likely be a learderly presence on a deam devoid of it. Buffalo very well could end up drafting the other Tkachuk, so to have them together would be quite nice for them. O'Reilly would likely be the final piece to get Calgary into the playoffs, and such a power move is probably what Treliving needs to save his job.

19 Apr 2018 04:40:08
I don't think Calgary trades Tkachuk. O'Rielly is good but his contract is huge and plus he's older. Would rather keep Tkachuk and hold on to Brouwer unless a team will take him for a cheaper price. And Allen is better than Lehner IMO.

19 Apr 2018 05:39:19
Yea, no. Mr. “I’m comfortable with losing” is not getting you Tkachuk. He may be the most valuable piece on the Flames. You’d be lucky to swap Brouwer for O’Reilly after those stupid comments he made.

19 Apr 2018 15:12:43
SC4CGY, i'm pretty sure even after those comments he's still worth more the Brower. Just a hunch ahah.

18 Apr 2018 00:45:35
Car hanifin

Buf mittelstadt

Or jets kyle connor

Buf mittelstadt

If you where buffalo gm would you keep him or trade him for one of theys 2

18 Apr 2018 02:13:53
This left me speechless. Middlestad is going nowhere.

18 Apr 2018 02:43:09
Why would buffalo trade their top line winger with great chemistry with Schiffle and Wheeler for a prospect Center when they have centers?
I think Hanifin has more value than Middlestadt as well, Right now anyways.
And don't get me wrong, I really like Middlstadt and his world junior performance. But I would value the other guys more valuable right now, to their team (that part is important)

18 Apr 2018 07:11:45
Winnipeg*. So sorry.

18 Apr 2018 11:18:24
If i'm mtl if Mittelstad is up fpr trade because Buffalo have a very good center depth, i'm offering my first (top 5) and maybe small add for him. he's exacly what mtl needs and they can't just draft it because they're is no centers in worthy of the top 5 in this draft unless u count Brady Tkachuck but he proably won't be a center at the nhl level but avery good winger that Buffalo might use the pick to draft.

18 Apr 2018 23:49:28
@Colt, he has hardly played a shift at centre in the NHL. You have no idea if he’s even a centreman. A lot of skilled forwards are drafted as centres and then are wingers when the reach the NHL (Marner, Nylander, Kane, Gaudreau, Drouin etc) I would pick someone that is for sure a centreman before making that trade. You already traded a really good young Dman for a winger you thought would be a centre.

19 Apr 2018 03:47:32
Wheeler getting the older Same as little they would set for the next 8 years or so down the middle

Shiffle middlestadt vesalinen rasvoic.

19 Apr 2018 04:42:47
Since when are Connor and Hanifin valued the same? Also no from Winnipeg and Carolina. Connor has great chemistry with the line he's on and they have no need to move him, same with Hanifin.

17 Apr 2018 01:30:29
Buffalo: Sam Rienhart and Alex Nylander

Carolina: Noah Hanifin and Elias Lindholm

Buffalo: gets a future top pairing dman to compliment Risto and a sevicable replacement for Rienhart in Lindholm.

Carolina: They have a surplus of defenders and can afford to let one go for s potential 1 c. Also Carolina fans are not high on Hanfin due to his defensive faults.

PS: I believe if Carolina trades a dman it'll be faulk or Hanfin. Slavin and Pesce definitely won't be traded

17 Apr 2018 05:37:45
Take out lindholm and they might think about it nylander look like a bust.

17 Apr 2018 06:52:54
How does he look like a bust?

17 Apr 2018 06:53:19
But I’d say no from Carolina for sure.

17 Apr 2018 11:15:58
That statement is silly Nylander isn’t even 20 years old. Also why would Carolina decline They need a Forward help desperately and Hanfin is 4th on their depth chart.

17 Apr 2018 15:20:33
Think it’s a bit much from Carolina, I’m a fan of Reinhart but I think if Carolina is going to trade hanafin they’re going to want a center that’s more proven, more of a sure thing top center which I don’t know if Reinhart will be that. He may be a better 2nd line center. But yes he’s still young and could be a top center but again he COULD be. That’s too much risk to give away hanafin for. Also whoever said nylander is a bust is crazy, he’s too young to be labelled a bust.

17 Apr 2018 18:48:05
The chances of Rienhart being a 1st line C Is the same as Hanfin being a top pairing dman.

17 Apr 2018 18:55:06
His turn 21 in 2 weeks lol and his ahl stats are pretty shitty.

17 Apr 2018 11:43:28
Lol Buffalo adds.

19 Apr 2018 04:44:17
No from Carolina.

19 Apr 2018 16:29:38
Brock, he turned 20 last month. Not knowing everyone’s birthday is fine, but don’t make up a fake birthday to support your point lol.

09 Apr 2018 22:27:43
CGY:
• TJ Brodie
• Mark Jankowski
• Rasmus Andersson
• 2019 2nd

BUF:
• Ryan O'Rielly
• Sam Reinhart

J Gaudreau - S Monahan - S Reinhart
M Tkachuk - M Backlund - M Frolik
S Bennett - R O'Rielly - M Ferland

09 Apr 2018 23:17:14
Oreilly 3rd line yikes
And no from buff.

09 Apr 2018 23:32:20
Doesn’t make sense to trade for O’Rielly just to put him on the 3rd line.

11 Apr 2018 19:03:27
Again, another terrible trade for the Flames. After O’Reilly’s comments on garbage bag day, I wouldn’t give just 1 of those assets (maybe the 2nd) for O’Reilly.

09 Apr 2018 15:31:30
Calgary Plans:

Curtis Lazar to VAN for Sixth Round Pick
Garnet Hathaway to ARI for Sixth Round Pick
Brett Kulak to TOR for Fourth Round Pick
Troy Brouwer, Second Round Pick to ARI for Seventh Round Pick

CGY:
• Sam Bennett
• Rasmus Andersson
BUF:
• Sam Reinhart

CGY:
• Adam Fox
• Dillon Dube
• 2019 3rd Round Pick
OTT:
• Mike Hoffman

( Sign Sam Gagner )

J Gaudreau - S Monahan - S Reinhart
M Tkachuk - M Backlund - M Frolik
M Hoffman - M Jankowski - M Ferland
K Versteeg - N Shore - S Gagner

09 Apr 2018 17:23:36
Why even trade for Hoffman if he’s on the 3rd line lol waste. Calgary shouldn’t even make that trade they don’t need him.

09 Apr 2018 20:31:27
Mcjesus they need more scoring.

10 Apr 2018 01:23:45
Sign Gagner? You realize he’s under contract with the Canucks for another couple years right? lol, also Canucks say no to lazar for a 6th, we need picks not busts.

10 Apr 2018 04:35:55
Then go for a forward better suited for flames, not another LW and store him on the 3rd line makes no sense.

10 Apr 2018 05:20:48
Honestly Simmonds would be a nice fit. He could play 1st or 2nd RW and play PP/ PK.

11 Apr 2018 23:10:19
Ottawa says, "hahahahaha"

Then hangs up the phone.

09 Apr 2018 10:22:30
#1
Calgary Flames:
• Adam Fox
• Brett Kulak
• Third Round Pick

Arizona Coyotes:
• Max Domi

#2
Calgary Flames:
• Sam Bennett
• Rasmus Andersson

Buffalo Sabres:
• Sam Reinhart

J Gaudreau - S Monahan - S Reinhart
M Tkachuk - M Backlund - M Frolik
M Domi - M Jankowski - M Ferland
C Lazar - N Shore - T Brouwer

M Giordano - D Hamilton
T Brodie - T Hamonic
J Valimaki - M Stone

05 Apr 2018 22:14:48
Calgary Flames:
- TJ Brodie
Montreal Canadiens:
- Brendan Gallagher
- Second Round Pick

Calgary Flames:
- Michael Stone
Toronto Leafs:
- Second Round Pick

Calgary Flames:
- Sam Bennett
- Second Round Pick (MTL)
- Third Round Pick
Buffalo Sabres:
- Sam Reinhart

Calgary Flames:
- Tyler Parsons
- Oliver Kylington
- Second Round Pick (TOR)
Arizona Coyotes:
- Max Domi

J Gaudreau - S Monahan - S Reinhart
M Tkachuk - M Backlund - B Gallagher
M Domi - M Jankowski - M Frolik
M Ferland - C Lazar - T Brouwer

M Giordano - D Hamilton
R Andersson - T Hamonic
B Kulak - J Valimaki

06 Apr 2018 02:45:56
'Toronto Leafs'? Ugh, that felt weird to read. Anyway, I don't think that Stone is worth a second. From what I've read, he's been just meh this year, and at 4 million, I don't think its worth it for a 2nd.

I don't think Montreal will trade their only bright spot this year for another dman tbh. I think they keep Gallagher unless its for a centreman tbh.

And I think buffalo says no on the last one. Reinhart was taken before Bennett for a reason, and Reinhart has played good in the second half of the year.

06 Apr 2018 06:32:52
Stone for a 2nd lmao.

06 Apr 2018 07:36:34
I feel like Reinhart doesn’t hold a lot of value on this site but he’s I think 21 and just had a 50 point season.

06 Apr 2018 12:58:07
Wouldn’t take Stone for free.

06 Apr 2018 15:16:53
1. Would rather get a pick for Brodie
2 Stone is definately not worth a 2nd
3. Parsons is not for trade.

07 Apr 2018 00:20:19
That Domi one is rich.

04 Apr 2018 18:19:50
Buffalo oreily

Preds fabbro bonino

05 Apr 2018 01:52:52
No need for the Preds to do that.

05 Apr 2018 14:42:35
Yeah there is look at the peguins crosby malkin brassard down the middle.

05 Apr 2018 20:44:24
You’re making brassard sound like he’s a superstar lol he’s not. Bonino is perfect 3rd line center if he can kick it into gear for preds.

05 Apr 2018 22:40:49
Brassard is a better player than Bonino, but you’re right that Bonino is a good 3rd line centre. However when Bonino is making $4.1 mill to be a 3rd line centre and penguins are paying brassard $3 mill, it’s not even close.

05 Apr 2018 22:45:05
So your would have rather have bonino then oriely lol if turis gets hurt would you want bonino as your number 2 center i that way preds are not going to win the cup they have a lots of depth 3 lines but not an elite third liner that can step up and be on the 2 or 3 line fisher / bonino would be pretty shitty.

03 Apr 2018 21:04:32
Buffalo trades Ryan O'Reilly to Carolina for Noah Hanifin.

03 Apr 2018 22:58:46
Pretty easy no from Carolina. I’m a big fan of oreilly but the age gap too big for Carolina to accept that.

04 Apr 2018 03:32:19
@ McJesus Christ97 OK that is a fair response. If I can read between the lines, do you think the exchange of talent is fair?

04 Apr 2018 04:20:16
Defenetly not @GMTM.

04 Apr 2018 05:14:10
Yeah no not fair.

04 Apr 2018 13:44:00
Buffalo needs to add. Only way this is considered from hurricanes end is if hanifin is an RFA holdout demanding an insane contract. And even then, O’reilly Has a 7.5 mill cap hit and is a really good player, but far from a bargain. They would just pay the much younger Dman that’s in high demand everywhere and then trade him for more.

04 Apr 2018 14:08:59
No because of contract, talent and age.

02 Apr 2018 22:33:25
Buffalo trades Rasmus Ristolainen to
Edmonton for Ryan Nugent-Hopkins.

02 Apr 2018 23:16:45
I feel like Buffalo needs a quality d man a lot more than they need another quality centreman.

03 Apr 2018 00:08:58
@ unsportsmanlike
Thank you for your comment. I am looking for feed back regarding the fairness of the trade. RNH gives the sabres a piece so I can trade ROR for a defense-man. If I can dump sufficient cap I have capital to sign John Tavares. Then I have JT, Eichel and RNH as my top 3 centers to build around.

03 Apr 2018 00:07:56
At least it would be fair it they're was a quality centerman like Draisalt going back to Buff. RnH is a second line center. Does usaly don't get a top tire big D man.

03 Apr 2018 00:47:50
Don’t think buffalo is trading Risto.

03 Apr 2018 01:30:13
Keep Risto. Especially if you get 1st overall Dahlin. That top pair of along with a #1 center Eichel and 2 ROR. Then build around that. maybe Middlestst can replace ROR as 2 center in a few years even.

03 Apr 2018 02:52:44
Considering Risto has the 3rd highest toi in the nhl, is only 22 and is a 50 Point + dman easily on a playoff team he’s worth a lot more then Nug3 from leafs I’d give Marner, Rielly+ or Nylander.

03 Apr 2018 03:27:38
Buffalo needs risto more than they need Nuge so easy no from Buffalo.

03 Apr 2018 04:05:46
Drai is on a 35 point pace when not playing with McDavid
He’s not what you want especially with his contract.

03 Apr 2018 04:37:14
I think Buffalo already has an RNH. with I believe more upside in Reinhart. would need more for Risto. and I like RNH. I think Buffalo is a solid goalie away from being a pretty good team, the young guys are going to keep maturing. Risto is a key young guy., probabably 2nd to only Eichel. They won't move him.

03 Apr 2018 04:54:58
Borje where do you get that? Just curious because i just read an article on the Athletic from end of January that said he has spent about half his time to that point away from McDavid and while his 5v5 scoring was down it was still 2 points/ 60 which they said was somewhere between Malkin and Barkov and top line production. I don't think a 35 point pace would be considered top like production. At that rate if he got 15 5v5 min/ game he'd get 41 points not counting powerplay and short handed. He has 13 non 5 on 5 points this year (has struggled on PP) .

03 Apr 2018 06:01:46
Jbs32 don't worry about Borje, all he does is spew oilers hate. It's funny. He's just an idiot hater.

03 Apr 2018 12:58:53
No from Buffalo, simply because they have an abundance of natural centers (Eichel, ROR, Middelstadt, Reinhart), and are VERY thin on D.

03 Apr 2018 17:45:07
I’m not an idiot hater Yup. In fact, I don’t mind you at all.

03 Apr 2018 18:46:58
Sorry, he’s at a 37.17 pace without McDavid. Small sample size as he only has played away from him 37.5 % at even strength and 100% of the time together on pp. when he is away from McDavid his line is outscored by a ratio of 57.1%-42.9.

03 Apr 2018 18:54:08
Would I want Drai on my team? Of course. At 22 he is still getting better. Would I give up Risto for him? Not a chance.

03 Apr 2018 19:41:41
How is risto a 50 pt dman if he’s never got 50 pts before. Also has never had a season + lol. Not taking anything away from him but where’s the hype coming from he’s never done anything in buffalo yet? Yes he’s a good dman but where is all this value coming from is he the new parayko from last year (colt joke) but just wondering.

04 Apr 2018 00:05:58
No no, You are just a hater. Literally the only thing you post is Oilers hate on Oilers posts. It's nothing new and I don't expect it t change. You're Flames finished the year strong tho hey. should pick up a decent prospect with the 1st round draft pick, Oh wait.

04 Apr 2018 02:24:17
I’m a leafs fan ( btw ) if he can play 30+ min in the nah you’re a top 2 dman on any team. Risto has all the tools to be great he just needs to get out of Buffalo.

04 Apr 2018 05:32:22
Yup are you still living those lottery dreams that make all Oiler fans act so superior from June until November when the Oil are out yet again? I guess the Flames will have to settle for finding another Johnny, Ferland or Brodie a little later and develop them. Much like the Oil have done with.

04 Apr 2018 21:53:40
That last one from borje is kinda funny tho lol.

02 Apr 2018 05:21:02
Buffalo trades Okposo, McCabe, 2019 2nd, and 2020 2nd to Calgary for Brodie.

09 Apr 2018 03:06:58
This one has legs. If that 2020 2nd was a 2018 2nd then it’s a lot closer as CGY’s draft picks this year are minimal.

02 Apr 2018 00:29:06
Buffalo trades Viktor Antipin to
Toronto for Connor Carrick.

01 Apr 2018 18:33:58
Buffalo trades Ryan O'Reilly to
St. Louis for Fabbri, R., Berglund, P. and Sanford, Z.

02 Apr 2018 03:56:45
Not enough quality more quantity.

02 Apr 2018 05:24:56
Fabbri quality.

02 Apr 2018 08:22:19
Stl adds Jay Bou ( cap dump ) and a 1st.

02 Apr 2018 18:21:44
@ vbbbvvbb If the Blues added Bouwmeester and a 1st, Jason Botterill would jump at that trade. But I would love to get feed back on that deal.

03 Apr 2018 00:48:37
Robby is coming off two knee surgerys. He is a top six player. With his injuries it hurts his value wOrth more to blues than he is traded. As for the first stuff, blues need to keep thier picks. No need for RoR with emergence of schenn and with robert thomas moving to nhl next year. We may also sign statsny again. No need for this trade.

01 Apr 2018 18:23:18
Buffalo trades Ryan O'Reilly to
Carolina for Skinner, J., 2019 3rd round pick (CAR) and RFA Trevor Van Riemsdyk.

02 Apr 2018 08:37:30
Pretty sure Skinners worth more then oreilly because of age and better contract. But Oreilly is a center so Idlk.

02 Apr 2018 18:11:51
@ Colt65, Skinner is 32 and ROR is 27. Skinner one more year at $5,725,000 v ROR 5 more years at $7,000,000. Because of the length of the contracts ROR may be better because he is locked up and Skinner may leave after one, but Skinner is the less expensive contract. The age certainty favors ROR being 5 years younger.

31 Mar 2018 23:52:49
Ok so giving the change in the nhl leaderboards recently with buffalo being bottom team and ottawa and Arizona being tied, and the fact arizona has a much easier final 4 to 5 games than ottawa does here's something to ponder.

Arizona : Arizona 2018 1st

Ottawa : Pittsburgh 2018 1st, Ceci, Ryan, and batherson

Then.

Ottawa : gaborik

Vegas : Vegas 2018 6th

Ottawa ups their chances in lottery significantly to land dahlin or at least a couple guys who can help now.

Arizona plays it safe as if they get the 3rd best odds they are more likely to draft 5th than anything else. So the trade it for a top 6 (50 to 60 point getter) in Ryan, a solid young top 4 defenceman in Ceci, a proven splint prospect in batherson who broke out big in world juniors and junior league, plus they still get a 1st I'll be it later with pens pick.

Then. ottawa uses all the cap they saved not only to resign stone and karlsson but also bring in Tavares as well.

Current available cap space in ottawa is roughly 11 million and these moves would free up 14 million more or 19 million if MacArthur retires. That's roughly 25 to 30 million to work with which is more than enough and will leave them with roughly 5 to 7 million to spare after all 3 have been signed making melnic happy too.

01 Apr 2018 00:54:15
Omg when will you learn?
You don’t give a damn rubbish about what other teams needs
I’ll make it simple
Wanna trade your 1st for Juulsen Lehkonen Poehling plus a 2d

You need to put your self in the other teams shoes
If you post nonsense like this again then you will nevertheless learn.

01 Apr 2018 01:26:02
Wow. Dream on. These are some of the worst Ottawa biased you've posted. And that's a crazy statement.

01 Apr 2018 03:01:31
Trash.

That pick is going to be top 5, 150%. that's one of Rasmus Dahlin, Andrei Svechnikov, FIlip Zadina, Adam Boqvist and Brady Tkachuk.

Whats going to Arizona in your deal? let's see:

Pittsburghs First-
Considering Pittsburghs playoff history, that pick is more than likely going to be low twenties. If I was to make a guess, I don't think they threepeat, but I think that pick is like 28th or something. Whos there at that pick? K'Andre Miller? Akil Thomas? that's a way step down from 3rd Overall.

Bobby Ryan-
A cap dump. Get it through your head. he's not a 50-60 point guy. If he was, and wasn't a cap dump, then why would Ottawa be desperately trying to package off his salary with Karlsson in order for suitors to be able to afford Karlsson in terms of a trade package, as adding Ryan to a Karlsson only lowers Karlsson's value. Ryan is a cap dump. Please understand that and stop being biased.

Cody Ceci -
A mediocre at best dman, probably a #4 at best. Kinda similar to Nathan Beaulieu, and I've seen lots of Sens fans want his head. So I don't think he'd bring much more to the table than a 2nd, and even that would be neglected by Ryans negative value.

Drake Batherson -
A good prospect, who probably projects as a 3rd liner with upside, but is also very unknown and unproven. Certainly not enough to move up from the late rounds of the 1st to the top 5.

Basically, if Arizona proposed:
Alex Goligoski (Bobby Ryan: but a bit less bloated of a contract) + Richard Panik (Cody Ceci, except as a forward) + Ryan MacInnis (scorer at the junior level, similar to Batherson) + ARZ 2nd Round Pick (high second) for Ottawas 1st Round Pick in 2017.

Does this make any sense for Ottawa? Of course not. Similarly, the original trade is terrible for Arizona.

01 Apr 2018 12:17:01
Ok you seriously don't follow the sport do you TopShelfSlappers? If you did you'd realise the statements you made on the players involved in this proposal are completely absurd and absolutely ridiculous.

1st - yes that will be a late pick but it's still a 1st

Bobby Ryan - outside of last season dude to health issues and somewhat this season though not as bad because he's been shifted from line to line more times than we can count, he has been and will continue to be a 50 to 60 point guy, anyone with half a brain and has 2 eyes that aren't blind can go themselves to check his career stats and will see that I am right and you are wrong, take those negative value comment and put em where the sun don't shine.

Cody Ceci - is a top 3 young defenceman who still has time to improve and is valued by other teams whether you like it or not he's worth at least a mid to late 1st himself just ask Edmonton who was ready to give hall for him if not for the need of MELNICK approval.

Drake batherson - NOT PROVEN? You can't be serious? One of world junior team Canada's leading scorers and a leading scorer in his current league. How is that not proven?

Goligoski has been a failure everywhere he's been and in no way is comparable to Ryan outside of a bad contract.

Of course this makes sence for both teams ottawa dumps in needed cap to sign players they want to keep and make an attempt on a major free agent signing in Tavares while gaining more odds to land dahlin and another major draftees who can help now at a faction of the cost sent away.

Arizona adds scoring in ryan, youth and potential in batherson and the pits 1st, and a guy who can finally play number 2 on that team to oel.
Gives up the 3rd which is the most likely to get bumped to 5th or 6th as 5th is best odds due to how lottery is run.

Arizona and Vegas have the cap for these kind've contracts as well making it mot out of the realm of possibility.

Just because you or a lot of other "fans" don't like Ryan or other sens players for whatever reason don't mean you're right about them or their value!

01 Apr 2018 14:26:35
Bobby Ryan point total:
25 last season in 62 games.
33 this season in, I believe, 58 games.

Neither of those are at all close to a 50 point pace buddy. And yes he has gotten 50 points before in his career, well, Daniel and Henrik Sedin have gotten 100 before, Lupuls been PPG, Milan Michalek was solid, Dion Phaneuf was thought of for a Norris, Milan Lucic was a 60 point guy and Brandon Dubinsky was a solid shutdown 50 point centre. Everyone falls off buddy. Ryan has too. Get it through your head. He has negative value. he's never going to be a 50 point guy again, and never going to be a solid player again. And he is injury prone as well, which is another huge downside tp trading for him. And he has a 7.25 cap for what, the next, I think 4 seasons? Its ridiculous you think he has value, and then to call me out on not watching hockey because apperantky you know all.

Ceci - he may have been worth a 1st at so, e time but remember, that is the GM that traded Seguin, Hall, Boychuk and Eberle for pennys on the dollar. Even if he was worth a 1st before, he isn't worth it anymore. Its been two years and he's stagnated in growth. Certainly not worth a 1st. Maybe a mid second as i said, but that therefore counteracts bobby ryans cap dump.

Bathersom - yes. He is unproven, the WJC's don't mean s*** unless the playee actually turns into something. Look at Nic Petan and Curtis Lazar, they were WJC heros, now they're fighting for their lives as bottom 6 players. Also, he's nowhere near the top of his league in points, he's over PPG, but he's barely played 30 games this year. Get your facts straight.

And tbh, considering contract, i'd rather Goligoski than Ryan. lol.

01 Apr 2018 14:28:27
And buddy, Cody Ceci wouldn't even by number 2 on Zona, lol. OEL, Hjalmarsson, Jacob Chychurn and i'd argue Goligoski are better than Ceci. Lol.

01 Apr 2018 16:02:02
Biased Ramblo back with another window licking lopsided trade proposal.

Arizona laughs and then hangs up.

Bobby Ryan has negative value. You're wrong. Get over it.

Look at the comments under your proposal. Fans of all different teams calling it out for what it is -- a garbage, biased proposal. This is not some conspiracy against Ottawa or its players. Take off your homer glasses and come back to reality.

01 Apr 2018 17:36:51
None of those guys you mentioned are anywhere close to being better than ceci. closest one was hjalmerson when he was in Chicago penny picking off the success of guys like Keith Seabrook Campbell hossa Kane panarin byfuglien and toews, now he's a fraction of that player not worth a dime.

As for Ryan let me say it again so maybe it can get through your thick skull.

This season he's been shifted from line to line like crazy some that have chemistry some that don't how does anyone expect him to put up his regular numbers if he doesn't have a steady line combo to work with?

Last season the guy was plagued with health issues that got in the way yet with both of those season he still managed 0.6 points per game which is actually decent and still far away from negative value or goligoski value.

Now that both those seasons are out of the way look at the rest of his career, every other year his point totals were above 50 per year, stats don't lie!

As for batherson comment world juniors definitely affect value of prospect and have for years, what rock have you been living under exactly? So does their junior league performances. How do you think draft priority is determined. same thing for trade value of already drafted prospects.

01 Apr 2018 17:39:38
I’m really starting to get sick of your rubbish No bias.

01 Apr 2018 18:25:09
Dahlin> Karlsson, Stone, Batherson And Pits 1st.

01 Apr 2018 20:49:14
Okay Rambo, whatever man, the agree/ disagree ratio probably doesn't mean s*** to you, but sure.

Ryan has the value of JVR easily, and deserves a 1st Round Pick and a decent prospect.

Ceci is a top 2 dman, and has compltly found that potential. He is capable of keeping up with OEL and Josi. He certainly is comparable to a guy like Ryan Ellis.

And Drake Batherson is a top proapect who is totally guarranteed to be a top 6 forward, with the upside of Matt Barzal cause of course the WJC show everything about a player.

Yup. You're righr about everything Ramo. You truly are so qualified, and are as smart as Steve Yzerman. You deserve 0 criticsm, because you are so smart. Why don't the Senators just hire you? You'd save the franchise!

01 Apr 2018 22:50:40
The worst part is that he's serious. Posts are terrible but the explanations are even worse. Delusional a f.

02 Apr 2018 03:58:41
Rambo the next destruction artist
Ironic.

03 Apr 2018 15:29:47
Do you not know how to read or were you just born with a rock in your head?

I never claimed Ceci was a top 2 guy or was comparable to guys like josi or oel, just that he was a top 3 to 4 dman on most, if not all teams, who is still young and could still reach potential to 2 status.

And yes, Ryan's value is at least the same as jvr, as one/ two bad seasons do not define a players career. Especially a player like Ryan who has put up 50 plus points every other year has played and proved he still has it in last year's playoff run. Saying Ryan has negative value right now is the same thing as saying max domi has negative value right now but I don't see anyone jumping on that band wagon to bash domi? Why not? Domi had an outstanding rookie season but ever since he's been same point totals as Ryan's last 2 years. I'm not saying the guy is worth 7 million but any and every team in the league would be happy to give him 5 million a season for what he contributes to their team if he played for them and that does not mean he is negative value in fact quite the opposite.

No prospect is guarrenteed anything, that is why they are called prospects just like no pick is guarenteed to be number 1 overall in the new lottery format with the 3rd last in the rankings having the worst odds of all top 3 PICKS to even get a top 3 selection. That's the risk teams take on any prospect or draft pick and whether or not they will pan out.

I don't overvalued sens players but unlike you lot I don't undervalued them either. I value them for what they are worth.

31 Mar 2018 03:08:55
Buffalo trades Ristolainen, R, Pominville, J and
Beaulieu, N
to EDM for Nugent-Hopkins, R, 2019 2nd round pick (EDM) and 2019 3rd round pick (NYI)

31 Mar 2018 05:24:34
Lol you can’t be serious.

31 Mar 2018 15:05:31
@Keyhabs please elaborate, who wins, who loses. "LOL you can't be serious" tells me nothing.

31 Mar 2018 15:44:40
1st of all a huge, young top pairing d man like Risto has more value than nuge not to say nuge doesn’t have good value just that d like risto aren’t nearly as common as 2nd line centerman. So just based on the availability of guys like risto elevates his value considerably higher than nuge. 2nd buffalo already has Eichel and Rielly and Reinhart as centerman so there really is no need for another centerman especially at the cost of their best defenceman. Base on the needs of buffalo and the fact that there isn’t enough quality going to buffalo it’s a pretty easy no from buffalo.

31 Mar 2018 18:35:39
Reinhart garbage.

31 Mar 2018 19:32:24
You land a a top DMan for a secound line player
Cmon man we both know this is so biased in Edmonton 's favor.

31 Mar 2018 20:02:55
Reinhart better then strome or jesse. p.

01 Apr 2018 00:37:33
Yeah, Reinhart has been a lot better if you’ve watched him play. I’ve never been a huge believer in him, but 17, 20 and 23 goal seasons by age 21 is not garbage. By that standard, a lot of oilers players that you seem to have hope for are atrocious.

But regardless It’s a top pair RH Dman, a 4-6 Dman ans a veteran body for your 3rd best centre (2nd on a lot of teams) a 2nd and a 3rd lol come on man.

01 Apr 2018 17:09:58
If you had a 21 or 22 year old player averaging 20 goals a year through his first 3 NHL seasons on your team, would you call him garbage? No you wouldn’t.

01 Apr 2018 17:58:56
Wow people agreed with me :)

01 Apr 2018 23:36:33
@Brock, I don’t agree with your trades lol they’re typically awful, I just don’t agree with him saying a decent young player is garbage. If you wanna take that as a win, I won’t stop ya haha.

29 Mar 2018 14:54:16
Buf: O'Reilly

For

Mtl: Pacioretty, first 2018

29 Mar 2018 15:29:39
not trading our first lolll.

29 Mar 2018 19:53:33
Lol Mtl ain’t trading that 1st and if they are.
MB is getting a bit closer to Chiarelli who is still by far the wurst Gm.

 
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