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23 Apr 2019 01:02:41
#1 Trade -

Tampa Bay Lightning :
(C) Anthony Cirelli (ELC)
(2019) 31st Overall Selection
(D) Erik Cernak (ELC)
Winnipeg Jets :
• (D) Jacob Trouba (RFA)


Stats :

- (C) Anthony Cirelli 82GP 19G 20A 39Pts 25+/-
- (RHD) Erik Cernak 58GP 5G 11A 16Pts 25+/-
 
- (RHD) Jacob Trouba 82GP 8G 42A 50Pts 8+/-


#2 Trade -

Tampa Bay Lightning :
(LW) Alex Killorn (4.45M x 4y)
(LHD) Mikhail Sergachev (ELC)
(RW) Ryan Callahan (5.80M x 1y)
Pittsburgh Penguins :
(RW) Phil Kessel (8M x 3y)


Stats -
- Alex Killorn 82GP 18G 22A 40Pts 22+/-
- Mikhail Sergachev 75GP 6G 26A 32Pts 12+/-
- Ryan Callahan 52GP 7G 10A 17Pts 7+/-

- Phil Kessel 82GP 27G 55A 82Pts -19+/-



Tampa Bay Lightning Projected Lines 2019/20


Ondrej Palat - Steven Stamkos - Nikita Kucherov
Yanni Gourde - Brayden Point - Phil Kessel
Cedric Paquette - Carter Verhaeghe - Mathieu Joseph
Andy Andreoff - Tyler Johnson - J.T. Miller

Victor Hedman - Jacob Trouba
Ryan McDonagh - Callan Foote
Cameron Gaunce - Ben Thomas


AFTER THIS SEASON ENDS TAMPA SHEDS
UFA's
- Anton Stralman 4.50M
- Braydon Coburn 3.70M
- Dan Girardi 3M
- Jan Rutta 2.25M
- Adam Erne 800K
- Danick Martel 715K

(Tampa frees up 14,965,000M)

TAMPA BAY LEFT WITH
16,421,104M

Tampa then has enough to resign Brayden Point, Cedric Paquette & Jacob Trouba.


What do you guys think...

23 Apr 2019 05:38:37
I think they’ll be picking 23rd if I’m not mistaken. Either way not enough for Trouba. Also Pittsburg trade might be close if Callahan wasn’t in it.

23 Apr 2019 13:24:29
Kessels cap hit is 6.8 mil as 1.2 million was retained by Toronto. Not even going to comment on the trades.

23 Apr 2019 14:29:29
Yup, you would need to take out some of the quantity and add a little quality to get into the Trouba game.

23 Apr 2019 14:51:35
If the Jets resign Myers than I see Trouba being traded at the draft, but not for this poor TB package. Trouba will get a better return than this one. Detroit, Philly, Florida, NYR and the Leafs are only 5 teams that would love and need a player like him.

23 Apr 2019 19:12:21
Now way Pittsburg adds 3.25 million in salary, they barely under the cap next year.

23 Apr 2019 19:22:32
This poor TB package? Sorry, but you clearly have seen neither Cirelli nor Cernak play. Both are almost guaranteed to stay, imo, very important contributors and esp important to TB because they are cheap for now. No way TB does that Trouba deal.
PIT deal is bad as well, no way we trade Sergachev.

With a big exodus on D already (Stralman, Coburn, Rutta, etc. ) why would TB trade it's two young, cheap and good D in Cernak and Sergachev? Makes no sense at all.

23 Apr 2019 00:14:23
Tampa Bay Lightning :
(C) Anthony Cirelli
(2019) 31st Overall Selection
(D) Erik Cernak
Winnipeg Jets :
• (D) Jacob Trouba (RFA)


Stats :

- (C) Anthony Cirelli 82GP 19G 20A 39Pts 25+/-
- (RHD) Erik Cernak 58GP 5G 11A 16Pts 25+/-
 
- (RHD) Jacob Trouba 82GP 8G 42A 50Pts 8+/-


Tampa Bay Lighting Defence Pairings -

Victor Hedman - Jacob Trouba
Ryan McDonagh - Callan Foote
Mikhail Sergachev - Jan Rutta


- or -

If Trouba was willing to sign with Tampa via verbal agreement.

TB -
(LHD) Mikhail Sergachev
WPG -
(RHD) Jacob Trouba

23 Apr 2019 14:48:09
The Sergachev one is closer. It would still require a bit of an add from Tampa, unless they are the only one bidding, which is doubtful.

23 Apr 2019 14:54:46
As much as I like Sergachev's upside he still makes a lot of rookie mistakes. Tampa would have to throw in a #1 draft pick.

19 Apr 2019 21:05:08
To Ottawa - j. t. miller, Cedric paquette, 3rd 2019

To Tampa Bay - chris Tierney, nick paul.

08 Feb 2019 04:49:39
Montreal: Takes on Callahan's rubbish contract

Tampa Bay: Callahan + Cirelli

Tampa frees up a lot of cap, Montreal gets a decent young top 9 fwd

(Like armia trade)

08 Feb 2019 05:17:46
So what does montreal trade back?

08 Feb 2019 05:31:59
Tampa says no unless something useful comes back, theyd rather just buy out Callahan’s contract it’s only one more year. Or give a pick for someone else to take him.

09 Feb 2019 17:07:05
@jbs32 Why would they though? If they buy out Callahan, they have 2.9M less to re-sign Point (who could easily sign for 8-9M). You trade Callahan and you've freed 5.8M. Now with the expiring contracts of both Girardi and Coburn, you've got an additionnal 6.7M freed. Play your cards correctly and you can both re-sign Point, and have a go at Karlsson or another big name UFA this summer.

29 Jan 2019 21:47:43
Habs- lekhonen-shaw-hudon

Lightning-killhorn-joseph-callahan


Lightning free up like 6 M ti go after karllson in off season

29 Jan 2019 22:33:07
And Montreal spends 6 mil to not improve at all.

29 Jan 2019 22:35:38
Lol, habs say no.

29 Jan 2019 23:35:01
Add Sergachev. lol.

30 Jan 2019 03:49:50
I can understand why you guys say Montreal says no but I wouldn’t touch this from Tampa. They won’t have to move roster players to dump Callahan and save the same amount of money. I don't want Shaw’s bad contract and I’m not giving up Joseph if I’m Tampa.

30 Jan 2019 17:20:44
@jbs32 if you don’t like Shaw’s contract then you must hate Killorn’s they are basically the same player but Shaw has less term and money. And also Shaw is 2 years younger. So ya Habs rejects this even though Joseph looks like he can be a good player but not worth the other 2 contracts and trading leks.

30 Jan 2019 19:01:17
Killorn puts up about 10 points a year more than Shaw. In their careers Killorn averages .07 points per game more, a minute and a half per game more ice time, signifantly higher +/ - (although I don’t put much weight in that), 5 more game winning goals, 200 fewer penalty minutes, 5 times the amount of PK time (he’s a PK staple) and 3 fewer PP points (Killorn PP points and usage trending up while Shaw’s trending down) . They are far from identical players, killorn is a 3rd line PK staple who can fill in on top 6 and PP. Shaw is a 4th liner who can’t play the pk or really step up into a bigger role or PP. Killorns worst full season would be Shaw’s second best, I’ll take Killorn.

27 Jan 2019 10:15:49
Edmonton - Andrej Sekera + 2019 2nd-Round Pick
Tampa Bay - Ryan Callahan

Edmonton - Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
Anaheim - Josh Manson + 2019 2nd-Round Pick

Edmonton - Jesse Puljujärvi + 2019 1st-Round Pick + Ethan Bear
New York - Mats Zuccarello

Edmonton - Milan Lucic + 2020 2nd-Round Pick + Matt Benning
Vancouver - Loui Erikkson




Mats Zuccarello - Connor McDavid - Loui Eriksson
Jujhar Khaira - Leon Draisaitl - Alex Chiasson
Kailer Yamamoto - Colby Cave - Ryan Callahan
Ryan Spooner - Kyle Brodziak - Zack Kassian

Oscar Klefbom - Adam Larsson
Darnell Nurse - Josh Manson
Kris Russell - Alex Petrovic

27 Jan 2019 17:03:18
Puljujarvi, bear and a 1st for a 31 year old UFA.

27 Jan 2019 21:05:54
1st trade is a no because Anaheim doesn't have the cap space.

2nd trade is a no because Edmonton doesn't have the cap space.

3rd trade is a no because neither team has a need/ want for the players (s) coming back in return.

26 Jan 2019 05:42:19
I know Tampa Bay’s playing really well, but, looking ahead to next summer:

Tampa Bay Lightning Trade:
Alex Killorn [LW - 4.5 Million x 5 Years]
Ryan Callahan [RW - 5.9 Million x 2 Years]
Dennis Yan [LW - 0.7 Million x 2 Years]
2020 3rd Round Draft Selection

Dallas Stars Trade:
Jason Spezza [C - 7.5 Million x 1 Year]
Valeri Nichushkin [RW - 2.9 Million x 2 Years]

Basically, Tampa needs the cap relief after this season for Point and after next for Vasy. Killorn isn’t a bad contract, but with the amount of large, long-term deals Tampa has, he’s just a surplus, and a team like Dallas could use a guy like him - defensively solid, 30-40 point guy, locked up. As well, Tampa gets lut of Callahan’s deal, which they would want to move by this summer. For the two, they receive two roster players in return, Spezza, whose contract ends at the end of the season, and Nuke, who could use a change of scenery, and could take Callahans spot. The cap works out about evenly for the upcoming season, but Dallas takes on the additional cap to compensate for the fact that they receive the best player in the deal.

Tampa Lineup:
Palat - Stamkos - Kucherov
Johnson - Point - Gourde
Spezza - Cirelli - Miller
Joseph - Paquette - Nichushkin

Dallas Lineup:
Benn - Seguin - Radulov
Killorn - Faksa - Janmark
Cogliano - Dickinson - Callahan
Gurianov - Hintz - Comeau.

26 Jan 2019 14:55:31
That’s a big no from Dallas it took an A level prospect to move Bolland and Killhorn and Callahan are debatably just as bad.

26 Jan 2019 20:28:36
See Dallas is going to take on additional cap than their giving and getting more term with the additional cap. that’s a hard no from Dallas. Neither Callahan or killorn make them more competitive this year or next so why take on the additional money/ term.

27 Jan 2019 05:10:39
It’s not good for either team. Tampa won’t look to move Cally till the summer right or wrong coaches want him for the playoff run. Also nether Cally nor Killorn will waive to Dallas. VB neither Cally or Killorn are as bad as Bolland. Cally because of term (1 more year) and Killorn is a market level deal not a steal but not really an overpay. I feel Yan is unlikely to make an impact at the NHL level he’s got one tool and it’s his shot. Doesn’t really fit in the bottom 6 and might not do enough for top 6. Boom or bust kinda guy, either a star or AHLer not sure it’s enough to move Cally.

15 Jan 2019 09:29:21
Canucks dahlen 5 Rd pick

Nashville fabbro


Canucks tanev joulevi 3 Rd pick

Tampa Sergachev

Canucks goldobin erikson

Canes ferland rask

Ferland petterson boeser
Sven Horvat virtanen
Levio rask Gaudette
Roussel beagle sutter

Edler Stecher
Sergachev fabbro
Hughes guddy

15 Jan 2019 13:06:27
So, to summarize the trades:

Canucks trade: bunch of meh

Canucks receive: quality players

Seems legit.

15 Jan 2019 15:14:52
ya these are horrible.

15 Jan 2019 17:58:30
I think Carolina would rather just keep Rask’s contract than take on Eriksson’s even bigger boat anchor.

16 Jan 2019 06:51:30
Rask get payed 4 million next 3 or 4 year and erikson gets 3 million next year and 2 million next 2 so it helps them get to the cap min with out with out paying to much.

10 Dec 2018 22:08:52
Following the McDonagh precedent set by Tampa Bay, this happens at the deadline.
[McDonagh and Miller for Namestnikov, Howden, Hajek and a conditional 1st]

Toronto Trades: Carl Grundstrom [ELC] + Nikita Zaitsev [4.25 Million x 5 Years] + Timothy Liljegren [ELC] + 2019 1st Round Draft Pick + Conditional 2021 1st Round Draft Pick + 2020 2nd Round Draft Pick.
St. Louis Trades: Alex Pietrangelo [6.50 Million x 2 Years (50% Retention - 3.25 Million x 2 Years) ].

[Condition: Leafs must win cup in 2019, 2020 OR 2021, or Pietrangelo must be resigned for pick to be transacted, otherwise it becomes a 2021 3rd]

I’m willing to add Gardiner and Johnsson and subtract Grundstrom and Zaitsev at discretion, i just think the above is more fair.

- This is basically the McDonagh deal, except, instead of getting another player like JT Miller, we get the huge 50% retention. As STL is rebuilding, its definitely possible they have cap space, and if they need more, Toronto could easily take on a one year cap dump like Gunnarson.
- Liljegren is easily an upgrade on Hajek, Grundstrom a downgrade on Howden but is a relatively similar player. Plus, instead of one 1sts we send two, and the only reason one is conditional is because we need to insure success for ourselves too, lol.

Hopefully its not too lopsided. I tried to keep the McDonagh trade as the precedent, and added more since imo Petro > McD. But their contract situations are extremely similar as well.

Toronto Lineup:
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Johnsson - Matthews - Nylander
Marleau - Kadri - Kapanen
Ennis - Lindholm - Brown

Rielly - Pietrangelo
Gardiner - Hainsey
Dermott - Ozhiganov.

11 Dec 2018 00:42:01
I like using precedents as the basis for my proposals as well, and I think the McDonagh one is most relevant for a Pietrangelo deal.

Pietrangelo is on LTIR, and may require surgery for his hand. That could have him sidelined for quite a while. Obviously no deals would be made until he comes back and is playing at 100%, at which point deadline may have already passed. Then the Karlsson trade becomes the most relevant comparable.

Just one question: the conditional pick for Leafs winning cup in 2021 doesn’t make sense if Pietrangelo doesn’t re-sign (he won’t be on the team then) . If he re-signs, they get the pick anyway. So maybe just make it conditional on the extension?

Good job TSS. This trade has a lot of merit. Helps both teams achieve something. I expect if Petro gets moved, a package similar to this one would be the return for him. Blues might wait until next year to see if the team is competitive. Both Schenn and Pietro will be pending UFA’s then.

11 Dec 2018 01:03:37
any proposal with Timothy Liljegren in it makes me want to cringe a bit. i really don't see them giving up on him this soon. i really think he will be top 2 or top 4 in a few years with them and a core piece of their future. i mean if they really get desperate to make a move for top 2/ top 4 help NOW they may do it but giving up that big of a piece would be rough. i'd sooner get rid of Sandin over Liljegren.

11 Dec 2018 03:04:02
Trade is pretty damn well thought out, I just don't think the 50% retained works.

11 Dec 2018 03:49:37
Trade sucks. Grundstrom liljgren lmfao. Blues won't make tgis trade.

Nylander liljgren 1st zaitsev.

11 Dec 2018 04:45:51
I don’t think it’s awful, I just don’t see value in Zaitsev so taking him on and retaining I don’t think works, even if the rest of the package is comparable to what Tampa gave up for McDonagh (who was slightly less regarded, no retention, and had an injury of his own) . Overall I think it’s possible not sure if Blues have the cap or would pull the trigger on it though.

11 Dec 2018 11:27:01
Redwing, don't you realize the Blues are 29 in the league? And Petro at the desdline will barely have one year + one playoff run on his deal.

Nylander goes in a deal for Parayko, long term for long term.

Nylander doesn't go for Petro. Like Tampa and McD, maybe he resigns, but his main purpose is to just be a rental for two seasons.

And to the others: @kane, i kmow, it hurts me to trade timothy, cause he does have that monster potential, but i mean, if our bst chance to win the cup is now, i'd rather go all-in for a dman now.
@jbs maybe gardiner instead of z?

11 Dec 2018 13:36:48
@PKane, I don’t think this is ‘giving up on Liljegren so early’. When Arizona got frustrated with strome and perlinis progress and shipped out 2 high pick prospects for a weak to average return, that has an odour of ‘giving up on them’.

Having to include a good RHD prospect while acquiring a 28 year old top pair RHD doesn’t mean they’re giving up on him, just means it would be something you can expect the other team would need included to make the deal.

I get what you’re saying, it would be nice to see him through, but look at the leafs talent and age of their core. If we can sacrifice a good young player to make the team far better today, we would have to. We were an up and coming team the last cpl years and if you can add Tavares and Pietrangelo in one season and only lose zaitsev off the current roster, you do it. Our goaltending is really good, forwards rival anyone in the league if not set the bar, but what separates Tampa from us is the high end D with hedman and McDonough and then stralman and Serg. Pietrangelo, Rielly, Gardiner, dermott is not the same by any means, but it’s a hell of a lot closer.

11 Dec 2018 14:50:10
TSS honestly I don’t even think you need to add Gardiner, almost just either no retention or move Zaitsev in a different deal as a dump. Just not sure St. Louis can take the salary and not sure Zaitsev adds value to St. Louis. Package is good, Gardiner would be much too much to add imo.

11 Dec 2018 15:32:27
Unbiased Jim. I just see Liljigren being a huge piece of their future, i'd sooner part with Sandin over him.

11 Dec 2018 16:03:28
We kinda need Liljegren more than Sandin is true too. Especially if we are trading out Zaitsev. We still have Reilly and Dermott for left side. Right side one Pietrangelo is gone, we really have no one left with Zaitsev and Liljegren already gone, there would be no one left.

11 Dec 2018 18:25:21
@LeafsGM. I see what you’re saying, my point is that we have a window here where we are have a legit chance of wining a cup. I’m not saying completely forget about the future and worry only about today, but Petro could really be the difference we need. I’m willing to figure out other stuff later. I’m not worrying about who is going to replace the RHD man that we haven’t even acquired yet. If you have a chance to get a prime aged really good player in the position of most need on our roster, I’m doing it.

08 Dec 2018 21:31:16
Ok here's one for you guys

Ottawa needs defence, Tampa could use help getting Stamkos going, not that he's doing bad but not like he was last year.

Ottawa : dzingle, chlapic

Tampa : sergachev, 2nd (Tampa 2nd is basically a 3rd)

Gives Tampa an affordable top 6 forward with a ton of speed, and a solid prospect forward with top 6 potential

Gives Ottawa an extra pick in mid rounds, and a quality young defenceman, who can slip in nicely with either Chabot or Lajoie in top 4.

08 Dec 2018 22:28:40
Sergachev is worth more than that. He’s not having the greatest year but he’s still young, no where near his ceiling yet. Tampa says no.

08 Dec 2018 23:11:57
Tampa has a logjam at forward, they need the D more. Sergachev is more valuable to that package imo, especially for Tampa who has few good D prospects and a cap crunch coming. Tampa’s loaded at forward both in the NHL and prospect system just don’t see them making that kind of move.

08 Dec 2018 23:35:28
Holy lmao. That is so one sided for Ottawa I can’t even. lmao.

09 Dec 2018 04:33:52
Stamkos is good enough to get his own offense going. Jus had 4 points. he's fine.

09 Dec 2018 07:24:53
Rambone! My brother. This is one sided toward the Sens and you know it. Tampa has no reason to agree to this man. Come on now.

09 Dec 2018 14:42:13
How is this one sided for Ottawa, vertius?

Tampa pick has very little value, sergachev had one solid season in his rookie year and has dropped the ball so far this year just like expected. Still got solid upside of potential but not likely to duplicate last season performance.

While dzingle is a top 6 quality speedy and proven forward averaging roughly 0.55 points per game throughout his career on a team that till now had half the kind of fire power to work with that Tampa does, on top of that he continues to improve and don't cost an arm and a leg salary wise and is arguably top 3 fastest skaters in the game behind McDavid and maybe MacKinnon.

Chlapic is also a solid top 6 potential prospect with tons of upside and a back for finding the back of the net.

This undervaluing sens players / over valuing other teams players is getting kindve old and worn out.

09 Dec 2018 14:43:44
Oh and jbs32, Tampa is actually more loaded on defense than forward, they just don't get the credit they deserve.

Coburn as the 6th dman beside sergachev right now, 3 and 4 being McDonagh and Girardi who were 1 and 2 respectively in new York for years, and Hedman and stralman rounding out top 6 defence

Plus buljus and sustr and DeAngelo in the system

I think they can afford to move sergachev to bolster offence even more and add to the system for when they have a hard time signing everyone and can afford to let them go.

With up coming kucherov, sergachev, point, and guorde contracts due for big raises soon to name a few, it's not likely all will be sticking round why not replenish so your ready for it?

09 Dec 2018 15:32:45
Tbh Sergachev is a stud for his age, if he’d still be at Mtl he would have been 1st pair. Young highly skilled dman don’t come out of your backyard. Sergachev is a future elite dman so you might as well propose and future elite forward like Batherson. Cheap compensation is not going to be enough. The guys you proposed are the kind of guys that can be easily replaced by free agency.

09 Dec 2018 16:24:34
So Rambo can I ask how often you follow other teams?
Because Tampa has none of those players you mentioned for them they only have 1 good D prospect outside the NHL and that is Foote.

09 Dec 2018 18:12:10
I though this trade proposal was a joke at first. Chlapic is a seconde round pic from 2015 that still isn't proven to be nhl player ready. I wouldn't call that an nhl propect with a big upside. He playes 20 games last year and went got 1g 3a +/ - -5
The senator haven't even recalled him this season yet. I think that says something no?

Dzingle is a good player that could help any team for sure as a top 9 and can help top 6 when they're injuries.

Just seeing that you asked for sergachev a future elite defenceman that was drafted top 10 in 2016 and I would say that has surpassed expectations. After that you go and add a seconde round pic.

Summary

Chlapic would be equal value to tampas 2nd round pic

Dzingle.

09 Dec 2018 18:23:12
It looks like my comment was cut half way through but basiclly
Sergachev is way better then dzingle and tp wouldn't trade him for a forward after giving a forward a bit over 1 year ago to get him.
The trade doesn't make much sense and the value is way off.

09 Dec 2018 23:52:06
No rambone, you have always over valued Sens players and your trades are always very good for the Sens. Understandable, when you make a trade you want it to be a win, but your proposals are massive wins for your team not just close calls. Sens have good players, no ones saying they aren't good players.

10 Dec 2018 00:45:09
Rambo I’m a Tampa fan. I know their team and system. Girardi isn’t good. Coburn has been good this year but is playing much better than past few years. They have insane forward depth in NHL and minors but as was mentioned earlier Foote only good D prospect outside of NHL. Sustr hasn’t been a prospect in 5 years sucks and is in Anaheim.

Blujus moved on a few years ago. DeAngelo is on his 2nd team since leaving Tampa. Kucherov and Gourde already have their contracts signed. There are other forwards they will move for cap reasons before Sergachev, who they don’t need to worry about until after next season anyway. 0.55 ppg is respectable but more 3rd line or middle 6. Dzingel isn’t the third fastest player in the league, he might not be the 3rd fastest player on Tampa.

10 Dec 2018 00:44:15
Is that right chlapic is NHL ready it's just because Ottawa has too many over paid guys that they don't want on 4th line and because of hlapic skill they kept him in minors so he could get ice time he deserves rather than waste away on the 4th line. Successful development teams do that all the time look at Detroit with guys like Zetterberg and Datsyuk or Vancouver with the Sedin boys and how they turned out.

Chlapic not going to bump Duchene, stone, Batherson, tkechuck, dzingle, or white at this point and they won't throw teirney, boadker, or Ryan on 4th line so why waste his talent?

Arguably he and balcers should have been called up instead of McCormick and Paul to fill in for Ryan and Duchene but sens management never been smart.

10 Dec 2018 00:47:54
Ctc55 did they trade those players over the weekend and not report it. I literally just double checked their roster before typing this response and they absolutely have every player I mentioned.

Forwards mentioned : brayden point, yanne guorde, Nikita kucherov

Defence mentioned : Victor Hedman, Anton stralman, Ryan McDonagh, Dan Girardi, Braden couburn, mikkail sergachev, Andre sustr, Anthony DeAngelo, and Dylan buljus


Defence I didn't mention that they also have in system with potential is your boy Foote and Slater koakkoak


Might want to do your homework and look it up before you try make me look foolish lol just sayin.

10 Dec 2018 00:40:22
Is that right also note this, by your logic in stating that chlapic worth no more than Tampa's 2nd because of the fact he was drafted in the 2nd you're basically saying a players trade value stays the same as the day they are drafted and never increases.

Also by that logic you're basically saying that a player like chlapic would be worth more than a guys like stone or even Datsyuk or Zetterberg based on the fact he was drafted in an earlier round than they were.

That being said chlapic was draft mid 2nd not late 2nd and his value has increased since then and will continue to do so.

Just because he's currently not on the main roster don't mean he's not a high end prospect. Look at Logan brown for example ranked 3rd among Ottawa's top prospects behind only Chabot and tkechuck, and ahead of the likes of white, Batherson, formenton, chlapic, Gustafson, AHL, gagne, luchuck, Norris, balcers, tychonick, and Bernard docker, all of which are solid prospects that prove Ottawa has a much deeper prospects pool than most teams.
Also note that brown ranked higher that white who is currently number 2 rookie in league yet brown in minors. Does that make his value less?
NOT A CHANCE IT DOES!

10 Dec 2018 02:38:28
Oh look a garbage for gold proposal completely biased in the Sens favour from Rambo.

In other news, water is wet.

You would think with all these amazing super valuable players the Sens apparently have they would suck less.

10 Dec 2018 03:51:37
I looked at chlapik stats and they do not show that he is a promising propect so yeah i don't think he's worth more then a seconde. I also don't know how you brought up zeterberg and datsyuk into this obviously some guys are drafted late in a draft and become stars but that just not the case for chlapik. Panari wasnt drafted i don't think that chlapik better then him for it.

10 Dec 2018 05:38:05
Where do you ‘double check that roster’? Because Tampa traded deangelo to Arizona at the 2016 draft and he was traded to rangers for Raanta and stepan in 2017. Also suster was a free agent signing of the ducks in the offseason.

10 Dec 2018 12:54:11
Rambo there is really no point in telling you stuff anymore because you never listen. DeAngelo is on the Rangers, Sustr is on Anaheim’s farm team after going through waivers and buljus is on Vancouver's farm team. Please listen and don’t think everyone is out to get you. Look at the site most proposals get turned down but people edit and listen to the comments about it (usually) and improve on them.

12 Nov 2018 22:15:31
At the deadline:

NJ: Boyle
WPG: 2nd Round Pick 2019, Lipon

Jersey gets back almost the same package Tampa got for Boyle a couple years ago. Also he's a UFA at the end of the year.

Winnipeg gets another big strong C that can play 4th line in the hardest division. Centres would go: Scheifele, Little, Lowry, Boyle

12 Nov 2018 23:13:50
I don't think Boyle is worth a second given his health issues.

13 Nov 2018 00:20:27
Value would be okay and give us pretty good depth.

21 Oct 2018 17:37:24
Habs Hudon
Tampa Cirelli + Callahan (huge cap dump)

Tatar Danault Gallagher
Drouin Cirelli Domi
Byron Kotkaniemi Armia
Peca Plekanec Deslauriers

Rielly Weber
Mete Petry
Alzner Juulsen

21 Oct 2018 21:36:05
Wouldn't it be just as we'll to just keep hudon. I don't see any reason to take on bad contracts just cause we can afford to.

22 Oct 2018 01:06:42
Rather keep Hudon.

22 Oct 2018 09:35:38
TB doesn't do this either. Just 1 year left on Callahans deal after this season and TB is fine capwise this year. No need to ship out Cirelli in that deal.

24 Oct 2018 13:29:45
Hudon has proven more then Cireli and he is french so no from Habs.

13 Oct 2018 06:32:11
Leafs trade Nylander
Lightening trade Killorn, Foote

Yes, I realize I’m dancing with the devil here. No need to tell me how we shouldn’t be trading with Tampa. But it is a rumour and discussion forum after all. Just looking to get discussion of the merits of each player and how this trade helps each team.

I think Foote is an excellent prospect and would love to have him on RHD along with Liljegren.

Killorn is a very good player.

13 Oct 2018 06:38:53
Hit send by accident. So just finishing my thoughts here:

Killorn is not quite the same level as Nylander, and he is cheaper, so may have to take on Girardi, or more likely, Coburn, in order to balance salaries and make this deal work.

13 Oct 2018 07:29:47
Guess salaries would not have to be balanced for either team as both have cap room left, IIRC.
While it's prolly fair value wise, I guess neither team does this. TOR wants to keep Nylander and TB desperately needs Foote since he's pretty much the only good RHD prospect they have.

13 Oct 2018 18:34:52
Killhorn has negative value 4th liner or 3rd line plug being payed 2nd line salary.

13 Oct 2018 19:54:05
Vb you obviously don't watch teams that aren't the leafs do you? Killorn isn't amazing by any means but he's a third liner that can fill in on the second and is paid about market value. Not someone i'd lose sleep over losing but not someone i'm going to pay another team to take off my hands. Trade wouldn't happen regardless, Tampa needs Foote and Nylander would make it impossible to sign Point/ Vasi.

13 Oct 2018 23:09:05
@jns

If Tampa thought they could afford Karlsson, then they would figure out a way to afford Nylander if they really wanted him.

Coburn 3.5 + Killorn 4.5 + cap space 2 = $10M

Other than Point, no big names on forward group need signing. Bridge Point. A couple old men on defense that will be re-signing for less than what they currently make I’m sure, if they return to Tampa at all. Vasilevskiy’s contract isn’t up until the following year. Tampa could have something worked out by then.

13 Oct 2018 23:17:04
@vb

Try growing a pair and floating a proposal of your own. I put up something every day, good or bad, just to keep discussion flowing. Even when I know I’m going to take heat for it, like trading Kadri, Reilly, or dealing with Tampa. You don’t learn if you don’t keep trying.

13 Sep 2018 15:37:19
With stingy Steve Yzerman off the reigns, I see a more comparable ott Tampa trade happening for Erik Karlsson.

Tampa: EK (EXTENSION)

Ott: Sergachev + Cirelli + Raddysh

13 Sep 2018 15:55:08
If Tampa wanted to trade Sergachev for Karlsson it would’ve been done already.

13 Sep 2018 16:13:23
The GM has changed so maybe Tampas needs have changed.

13 Sep 2018 17:23:50
no pending ufa is worth sergachev and radyish. I know i spelt it wrong in a hurry.

13 Sep 2018 19:33:35
Lmao. Delusional.

22 Aug 2018 05:00:59
Canucks: Gagner, 2nd round pick

Tampa: Callahan, Foote

22 Aug 2018 13:02:22
Not going to get Foote for that.

22 Aug 2018 16:31:06
If Tampa is unwilling to part with Foote for Karlsson they won’t trafe him for Gagner.

21 Aug 2018 21:10:10
to Vancouver
Callahan
Koekkoek

to Tampa Bay
Gagner (1M retained)

Tampa improves their wing situation while getting cap off to make more moves, while vancouver gets a solid young defenseman. Normally a team wouldn't trade someone like Koekkoek in this kind of trade but Tampa is all the way into win-now mode and has 7 other dependable defensemen; the retained salary is invaluable for a team in the situation Tampa is in.

22 Aug 2018 03:07:44
Koekkoek has only proven he is not an NHL defender. I don’t know what you mean by solid. If Vancouver is taking on that much cap and retaining salary. I want Foote not Koekkoek.

22 Aug 2018 13:02:47
realistic, imo.

22 Aug 2018 15:42:21
Koekook has proved more then Nathan Beaulieu.

22 Aug 2018 17:34:56
Beaulieu has played 3 times more games in the NHL. I also would not call Beaulieu a solid defender.

22 Aug 2018 19:30:26
Yes from Tampa. Not sure why the Canucks would though.

23 Aug 2018 12:55:20
I meant hasn't proved.

03 Aug 2018 14:48:00
If Tampa acquires and extends Karlsson (RHD), they need to move out salary and go all in this and next year.

Philadelphia: Girardi ($3MM UFA 2019), Callahan ($5.8MM UFA 2020 NTC), Foote, 2020 1st (TB)
Tampa: Vecchione, Leier

Vecchione is NHL ready but can't crack the roster and Leier has NHL experience. Both are cheap and would be great depth players for a long playoff run which Tampa is poised to do. Callahan might waive to go to a good, young, emerging team if he's smart enough to realize he's an impediment in TB.

Philadelphia has the cap space to take on these contracts without impeding future deals (Provorov, Konecny, Patrick etc). Foote and Myers would be the Flyers RHD of the future.

San Jose: Simmonds ($3.975MM UFA 2019)
Philadelphia: 2019 2nd (FLA), 2020 1st (SJS)

It's doubtful that the Flyers can re-sign Simmonds long term. If the Flyers acquire Callahan, Simmonds is surplus value and should go to a contender that can pay him $5-7MM for 4-6 years. With Thornton coming off the books, the Sharks can extend Simmonds for their window. Philadelphia has Voracek, Konecny, and Allison as RW long term.

Philadelphia maximizes their return while using cap space and roster spots. 2019 Draft priority is RW.

Flyers 2020-2021 Roster:

Giroux-Couturier-Konency
JVR-Patrick-Voracek
Lindblom-Frost-Allison

In waiting: Ratcliffe, Farabee, Rubstov, Vorobyev, Strome, Sushko, O'Brien

Provorov-Myers
Gostisbehere-Foote
Sanheim-Hagg/Morin/Friedman

03 Aug 2018 15:21:37
Good post.

03 Aug 2018 20:05:43
Foote and a 1st to move out Cally? Don’t think so. It’ll prolly just take the 1st. Cause Girardi is basically just a rental cause his contract ends before any resigning would be done.

Simmonds trade isn’t that bad imo, but ain’t that third line a bit inexperienced? Idk, i'd prefer Simmonds there imo.

04 Aug 2018 07:10:37
Foote and 1st is way too steep a price to pay to trade Callahans remaining contract. Could as well buy him out next summer. And you think if Vecchione and Leier can't crack PHIs arguably worse F corps, they will make it on TB? Weird logic
Either send some good value back or take out Foote and then TB maybe considers it.

18 Jul 2018 12:45:54
to Ottawa: Sergachev, Cirelli, Raddysh, 1st (TBL)


to Tampa: Karlsson (signed for 8 years/88 million)


to New Jersey: Coburn, Johnson, Högberg, 3rd (OTT), 2nd (TBL)

18 Jul 2018 13:20:09
Wait Jersey gives nothing and gets a second third and Johnson? The third is enough for one year of Coburn lol.

18 Jul 2018 13:37:19
Well, you're right lol. Maybe switch Johnson with Callahan? Or would Jersey need to get more if they take on Callahan?

18 Jul 2018 14:16:41
Wow. This might be one of the worst Karlsson proposals yet.
Sergachev, Carelli, Raddysh, 1st, 2nd, Coburn, Johnson

For Karlsson?

Do You actually think yzerman is an idiot?

18 Jul 2018 14:38:19
1. it's for Karlsson and to get rid of salary
2. why should Ottawa take less?
3. after rethinking my proposal, adding Johnson is too much. you could also take Cirelli/ Raddysh out of the deal or the 1st from Tampa.
4. No I actually don't think Stevie is an idiot.

18 Jul 2018 16:04:28
In my opinion its a bit too much (mainly with what Jersey is getting) and Coburn is all the salary they need to dump this year. Could send Coburn somewhere and then worry about next years cap issues later with Johnson Killorn Callahan all options to move. I also feel Karlsson extension in Tampa may be under 11 but wouldn't be by much and i wouldn't be surprised by 11.

18 Jul 2018 16:59:25
I still don’t know why New Jersey is involved in this lol.

20 Jul 2018 14:40:28
I actually don't mind this 1 at all. finally found someone on here outside myself and 2 others who no longer post because of the foolish posts and responses you see, who has a decent sense of trade value.

17 Jul 2018 20:28:00
OTT: Karlsson
TB: Sergachev, Raddysh, Joseph

17 Jul 2018 21:58:04
Yes from Ottawa on this one.

18 Jul 2018 01:48:59
I would really like Cirelli . but at this point Sergachev + is a win.

18 Jul 2018 10:02:32
Lul this a terrible trade proposal Sergachev, raddysh is a good start though.

20 Jul 2018 15:05:39
No from Ottawa, Tampa adds huge.

10 Jul 2018 20:33:53
3-way deal

Ottawa:
RD Erik Karlsson
RW Bobby Ryan
2019 2nd round pick

Tampa:
LD Mikhail Sergachev
C Anthony Cirelli
RD Jake Dotchin
2020 1st round pick

New Jersey:
RW Brandon Baddock


To New Jersey:
RW Bobby Ryan
2019 2nd round pick
RD Jake Dotchin

To Ottawa:
LD Mikhail Sergachev
C Anthony Cirelli
2020 1st round pick

To Tampa:
RD Erik Karlsson
RW Brandon Baddock

10 Jul 2018 20:57:34
Again, why does New Jersey take 4 years/ $29 mill of bony Ryan for a #6/ 7 Dman and a 2nd?!

Detroit swapped picks which allowed Arizona Jacob Chychrun at 12th overall to take 1 year/ 7 mill of Datsuks money. Think about that price and now realize you want a team to take that same cap hit but 4 times as long. Where’s the incentive?!

11 Jul 2018 10:41:31
Should TB include Sergachev, we def won't also add Cirelli and a 1st lol.

11 Jul 2018 13:16:01
I could live with this.

Tampa would have to pair sergachev with a 1st and one of either cireli gourde or point triplets. you don't get the best defenceman / number 3 player in the world cheap. it's not even a debate at this point. you guys who think superstars like Karlsson come cheap need to get out of your grandparents basements. I say grandparents because even your parents would be embarrassed by you.

11 Jul 2018 15:08:46
Best deffensman in the world? The person who proposed the trade is talking about Karlsson not Doughty.

12 Jul 2018 08:11:31
Rambo, are you really that stupid? OTT has no leverage whatsoever, they need to trade him, otherwise they lose him for no return at all.

15 Jul 2018 17:23:02
They have a year to trade him if needed triplets it's not an immediate thing this the leverage argument is nullified and void get that through your head.

Exactly vbbvbb what does doughty have to do with anything to do with best defenceman in the world conversation? The guy hasn't been relevant in 3 seasons now. Karlsson bu far number 1 while the likes of dahlin hedman josi subban burns pietrangelo byfuglien werenski jones and ekblad have all surpassed doughty by this point. he's still great sure but not like he was. Karlsson had rough year injury wise and personal wise sso naturally he was going to struggle a bit doesn't mean he's done.

 
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