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03 Aug 2018 14:48:00
If Tampa acquires and extends Karlsson (RHD), they need to move out salary and go all in this and next year.

Philadelphia: Girardi ($3MM UFA 2019), Callahan ($5.8MM UFA 2020 NTC), Foote, 2020 1st (TB)
Tampa: Vecchione, Leier

Vecchione is NHL ready but can't crack the roster and Leier has NHL experience. Both are cheap and would be great depth players for a long playoff run which Tampa is poised to do. Callahan might waive to go to a good, young, emerging team if he's smart enough to realize he's an impediment in TB.

Philadelphia has the cap space to take on these contracts without impeding future deals (Provorov, Konecny, Patrick etc). Foote and Myers would be the Flyers RHD of the future.

San Jose: Simmonds ($3.975MM UFA 2019)
Philadelphia: 2019 2nd (FLA), 2020 1st (SJS)

It's doubtful that the Flyers can re-sign Simmonds long term. If the Flyers acquire Callahan, Simmonds is surplus value and should go to a contender that can pay him $5-7MM for 4-6 years. With Thornton coming off the books, the Sharks can extend Simmonds for their window. Philadelphia has Voracek, Konecny, and Allison as RW long term.

Philadelphia maximizes their return while using cap space and roster spots. 2019 Draft priority is RW.

Flyers 2020-2021 Roster:

Giroux-Couturier-Konency
JVR-Patrick-Voracek
Lindblom-Frost-Allison

In waiting: Ratcliffe, Farabee, Rubstov, Vorobyev, Strome, Sushko, O'Brien

Provorov-Myers
Gostisbehere-Foote
Sanheim-Hagg/Morin/Friedman

03 Aug 2018 15:21:37
Good post.

03 Aug 2018 20:05:43
Foote and a 1st to move out Cally? Don’t think so. It’ll prolly just take the 1st. Cause Girardi is basically just a rental cause his contract ends before any resigning would be done.

Simmonds trade isn’t that bad imo, but ain’t that third line a bit inexperienced? Idk, i'd prefer Simmonds there imo.

04 Aug 2018 07:10:37
Foote and 1st is way too steep a price to pay to trade Callahans remaining contract. Could as well buy him out next summer. And you think if Vecchione and Leier can't crack PHIs arguably worse F corps, they will make it on TB? Weird logic
Either send some good value back or take out Foote and then TB maybe considers it.

18 Jul 2018 12:45:54
to Ottawa: Sergachev, Cirelli, Raddysh, 1st (TBL)


to Tampa: Karlsson (signed for 8 years/88 million)


to New Jersey: Coburn, Johnson, Högberg, 3rd (OTT), 2nd (TBL)

18 Jul 2018 13:20:09
Wait Jersey gives nothing and gets a second third and Johnson? The third is enough for one year of Coburn lol.

18 Jul 2018 13:37:19
Well, you're right lol. Maybe switch Johnson with Callahan? Or would Jersey need to get more if they take on Callahan?

18 Jul 2018 14:16:41
Wow. This might be one of the worst Karlsson proposals yet.
Sergachev, Carelli, Raddysh, 1st, 2nd, Coburn, Johnson

For Karlsson?

Do You actually think yzerman is an idiot?

18 Jul 2018 14:38:19
1. it's for Karlsson and to get rid of salary
2. why should Ottawa take less?
3. after rethinking my proposal, adding Johnson is too much. you could also take Cirelli/ Raddysh out of the deal or the 1st from Tampa.
4. No I actually don't think Stevie is an idiot.

18 Jul 2018 16:04:28
In my opinion its a bit too much (mainly with what Jersey is getting) and Coburn is all the salary they need to dump this year. Could send Coburn somewhere and then worry about next years cap issues later with Johnson Killorn Callahan all options to move. I also feel Karlsson extension in Tampa may be under 11 but wouldn't be by much and i wouldn't be surprised by 11.

18 Jul 2018 16:59:25
I still don’t know why New Jersey is involved in this lol.

20 Jul 2018 14:40:28
I actually don't mind this 1 at all. finally found someone on here outside myself and 2 others who no longer post because of the foolish posts and responses you see, who has a decent sense of trade value.

17 Jul 2018 20:28:00
OTT: Karlsson
TB: Sergachev, Raddysh, Joseph

17 Jul 2018 21:58:04
Yes from Ottawa on this one.

18 Jul 2018 01:48:59
I would really like Cirelli . but at this point Sergachev + is a win.

18 Jul 2018 10:02:32
Lul this a terrible trade proposal Sergachev, raddysh is a good start though.

20 Jul 2018 15:05:39
No from Ottawa, Tampa adds huge.

10 Jul 2018 20:33:53
3-way deal

Ottawa:
RD Erik Karlsson
RW Bobby Ryan
2019 2nd round pick

Tampa:
LD Mikhail Sergachev
C Anthony Cirelli
RD Jake Dotchin
2020 1st round pick

New Jersey:
RW Brandon Baddock


To New Jersey:
RW Bobby Ryan
2019 2nd round pick
RD Jake Dotchin

To Ottawa:
LD Mikhail Sergachev
C Anthony Cirelli
2020 1st round pick

To Tampa:
RD Erik Karlsson
RW Brandon Baddock

10 Jul 2018 20:57:34
Again, why does New Jersey take 4 years/ $29 mill of bony Ryan for a #6/ 7 Dman and a 2nd?!

Detroit swapped picks which allowed Arizona Jacob Chychrun at 12th overall to take 1 year/ 7 mill of Datsuks money. Think about that price and now realize you want a team to take that same cap hit but 4 times as long. Where’s the incentive?!

11 Jul 2018 10:41:31
Should TB include Sergachev, we def won't also add Cirelli and a 1st lol.

11 Jul 2018 13:16:01
I could live with this.

Tampa would have to pair sergachev with a 1st and one of either cireli gourde or point triplets. you don't get the best defenceman / number 3 player in the world cheap. it's not even a debate at this point. you guys who think superstars like Karlsson come cheap need to get out of your grandparents basements. I say grandparents because even your parents would be embarrassed by you.

11 Jul 2018 15:08:46
Best deffensman in the world? The person who proposed the trade is talking about Karlsson not Doughty.

12 Jul 2018 08:11:31
Rambo, are you really that stupid? OTT has no leverage whatsoever, they need to trade him, otherwise they lose him for no return at all.

15 Jul 2018 17:23:02
They have a year to trade him if needed triplets it's not an immediate thing this the leverage argument is nullified and void get that through your head.

Exactly vbbvbb what does doughty have to do with anything to do with best defenceman in the world conversation? The guy hasn't been relevant in 3 seasons now. Karlsson bu far number 1 while the likes of dahlin hedman josi subban burns pietrangelo byfuglien werenski jones and ekblad have all surpassed doughty by this point. he's still great sure but not like he was. Karlsson had rough year injury wise and personal wise sso naturally he was going to struggle a bit doesn't mean he's done.

10 Jul 2018 15:14:54
3 way trade between Ottawa, Colorado and Tampa

Tampa gets: Karlsson, Conor timmins

Ottawa gets: Sergachev, Cirelli, Foote, COL 2019 1st (ottawa's)

Colorado gets: Tampa 2020 1st, Johnson, Ott 3rd 2019

10 Jul 2018 15:50:53
So Colorado gives up a good 19 year old RHD prospect and gives Ottawa back their own 1st round pick that should be a top 5, for Johnson (owed $30million), Tampa’s 1st (would be 25-31) and a 3rd from Sens?! Lol

Colorado just gets involved here to get screwed and help Ottawa’s rebuild by returning the pick their moron GM traded away and making it possible for them to cash in on Karlsson by taking Johnson’s salary out of the equation in Tampa.

The third team getting involved in these trades need to come out ahead to justify even being there. The only reason these things become 3 team trades is that teams 1 and 2 need team 3 to do them a favour. They get paid for that favour. They don’t pay to do youbthe favour. They’re the biggest loser in the whole deal haha makes zero sense.

10 Jul 2018 16:53:35
Haha oh man this is bad.

Easy no from Colorado. I don't think they trade that pick unless Karlsson is heading to Denver, not Tampa.

10 Jul 2018 18:04:45
Colorado gets bent over. Wouldn’t trade Timmons alone for that let alone a potential 1st ovr pick.

11 Jul 2018 10:42:27
This is horrible for TB. This is horrible for COL. Nice try, Sens fan.

11 Jul 2018 13:41:32
vbbbvvbb you wouldn't trade timmins for that lol.

11 Jul 2018 15:20:56
No I wouldn’t he has tremendous potential and in all the redrafts he’s a top 10 pick.

09 Jul 2018 15:42:15
I think, and hope, the Karlsson to Tampa trade, after an extension(8 x 11.5) would have to look like:

TB: Karlsson + B prospect
for either

OTT: Sergachev + Cirelli + ......

OTT: Point + Foote + ......

or

OTT: Cirelli + Foote + Raddysh

and that goes from most unlikely to most likely. The last trade maybe includes ryan instead of the prospect.

09 Jul 2018 20:14:25
Wow. I‘d be really disapointded with that last one. If we can get sergachev +. I’d be happy.

10 Jul 2018 00:52:54
Sorry, meant to put point + Foote as the most unlikely. I can see the sergachev one happening, but It'll probably end up being less than the last one.

10 Jul 2018 09:06:36
TB won't sign EK for 11.5 per, no way he gets that much from us.

10 Jul 2018 13:55:59
The point of Tampa getting involved in a huge name player like Karlsson when they’re already loaded with stars is that They can exploit the Tax situation vs places all around the league, but especially Ontario and California which are the highest. Tampa’s huge advantage means that they’re 8.5 mill offer to stamkos was equivalent after taxes to 10.5ish in Ontario (Toronto) . So if Tampa gives him 11 or 11.5, that’s like the equivalent of him getting 13-14 mill in Ottawa, Toronto, San Jose, LA or Anaheim lol if they give him $3 mill more than stamkos, $4 mill more than hedman, they might have an internal power struggle, but also almost guaranteed Kuch has to go. Bad plan.

10 Jul 2018 20:20:48
Sergachev + point/ gourde/ cirelli + a 1st and I'd be happy. maybe add an early round pick if cireli.

09 Jul 2018 06:56:45
3 way trade


Lightning receive: Karlsson, Sutter 50% retained, Canucks 3rd round pick

Sens receive: Gourde, Johnson, Dotchin, 1st round pick 2019, Koekkoek

Canucks receive: Ryan, Callahan, Foote, Stephens

How close to fair is this

09 Jul 2018 14:32:11
Tampa dosnt have a first pick.

09 Jul 2018 17:26:48
If that 1st round pick is Vancouver’s you’re on something.

10 Jul 2018 15:16:35
Ottawa gets robbed omg.

09 Jul 2018 01:30:43
TB: Kucherov
CLB: Panarin

09 Jul 2018 04:48:48
Kuch >>> Panarin.

09 Jul 2018 05:02:32
Kucherov has a lot more value than Panarin not to mention is younger. Not to say Panarin isn’t really good Kucherov is just better.

10 Jul 2018 02:35:58
They're close, similar size, and only like 15 pts difference last 3 years so I wouldn't say kucherov is way better.

08 Jul 2018 16:48:53
Montreal receive: Callahan, 2020 2nd
Tampa bay receive: 2019 6th

Montreal receive: Beauvillier, Ho-Sang, 2nd 2019
Islanders receive: Pacioretty, Shaw (25% retained), 4th 2020

Montreal receive: 3rd 2019
Florida receive: Callahan (50% retained)

Domi Danualt Gallagher
Drouin Beauvillier Hudon
Lehkonen Peca Scherbak
Byron Plek Ho-Sang.

09 Jul 2018 03:24:13
Decent trade buds.

08 Jul 2018 04:01:43
Tampa Trade -
To OTT
• (C) Cal Foote
• (D) Mikhail Sergachev
• (2019) 1st-Round Pick
• (RW) Ryan Callahan
To TB
• (D) Erik Karlsson

Dallas Trade -
To OTT
• (D) Julias Honka
• (D) Miro Heskianen
• (2019) 1st-Round Pick
To DAL
• (D) Erik Karlsson

Edmonton Trade -
To OTT
• (RW) Jesse Puljujärvi
• (LW) Milan Lucic
• (D) Ethan Bear
• (2019) 1st-Round Pick
To EDM
• (D) Erik Karlsson

Calgary Trade -
To OTT
• (D) Travis Hamonic
• (D) Juuso Välimäki
• (2019) 1st-Round Pick
• (C) Dillon Dube
To CGY
• (D) Erik Karlsson


What package would you take if you're ottawa?

08 Jul 2018 04:59:38
The Dallas one.

08 Jul 2018 08:46:05
The package TB sends is definitely better than the DAL one. Which is the reason TB sure won't send both Sergachev AND Foote.

08 Jul 2018 11:36:28
One of those offers is not like the others haha

You cheer for Edmonton by any chance?

08 Jul 2018 15:12:42
Idk triplets I think heskinenen has the ability to be much better then sergachev or foote plus dallas doesn't take back a bad contract like the other deals and I feel there is a better chance of there 1st being a bit higher then tampa.

08 Jul 2018 15:40:46
None of those teams accept besides Edmonton and Calargry.

07 Jul 2018 18:47:20
OTT: Karlsson, Pageau
TBL: Sergachev, Point, Callahan
______________________________________________
Tampa gets one of the best Defensemen on the planet and a great 3rd line center, great on the pk and very good on faceoffs. Doubt they would want to give up both Serg. and Point, but they also get rid of Callahans contract.

Ottawa gets a great 1B Center and a 20 yr old top 4 D coming off of a great rookie year. However take back another bad contract.
______________________________________________

Boedker - Duchene - White
Dzingel - Point - Stone
Chlapik - Brown - Ryan
Pajaarvi - Smith - Callahan

Sergachev - Wideman
Chabot - Jaros
Boroweicki - Wolanin
______________________________________________

Miller - Stamkos - Kucherov
Palat - Johnson - Gourde
Killorn - Pageau - Cirelli
Paquette - Adreoff- ?

Hedman - Karlsson
Mcdonagh - Stralman
Coburn - Girardi

07 Jul 2018 19:29:30
forgot Ceci in the Sens line-up . guess it was a freudian slip lol.

07 Jul 2018 20:11:37
Huge no from Tampa.

07 Jul 2018 22:23:02
I garauntee Yzerman isn't giving up both Sergachev and Point. Not a chance in hell. I would even bet there's a good chance he isn't giving up just one of them let alone both.

08 Jul 2018 05:56:30
In my opinion its one or the other of sergachev/ point but not both.

07 Jul 2018 18:19:55
Ok so Tampa and Ottawa are close to a deal but Tampa want a 3rd or maybe even 4th team involved to dump some cap so.

Ott : sergachev, point, Johnson, nyi 1st

Tbl : Karlsson, white, ott 3rd, nyr 6th

Nyi : palat, Ryan, pageau, tbl 2nd

Nyr : Callahan, tbl 3rd

Rangers get a fan favorite back plus upgrade their pick for next to nothing

Islanders get 2 top 6 guys with scoring touch to fill the void left by tavares plus a serviceable 3rd line center by downgrading their 1st to a 2nd

Ottawa gets a 1st back plus 2 promising young talents bu taking on Johnson's cap to replace Ryan's

Tampa dumps a bunch of cap but upgrades a late 3rd to what will prob be an early 3rd plus they get a 6th a high end prospect who will fit nicely with them and oh yeah the best defenceman in the world.

Killorn stamkos kucherov
Gourd miller cirelli

Hedman Karlsson
Mcdonagh Girardi

Deadly at both ends.

07 Jul 2018 19:07:28
Islander and rangers get hose very bad.

07 Jul 2018 19:29:22
Aiii this makes no sense so lemme break it down:

TB Acquires: Karlsson, White, 3rd, 6th
TB Trades: Serg, Point, Johnson, Palat, Callahan, 2nd, 3rd

OTT Acquires: Sergachev, Point, Johnson, 1st
OTT Trades: Karlsson, White, Ryan, Pageau, 3rd

NYI Acquires: Palat, Ryan, Pageau, 2nd
NYI Trades: 1st

NYR Trades: 6th
NYR Acquires: Callahan, 3td

Okay. putting into perspective, ottawa, as per usual with rambo propsosals, fleeces everyone. You get potentially a top5 pick, serg and point for EK w one year left, a terrible contract that will take at least a 1st to get rid off, some throw aways and colin white.

Lets say white = johnson.
pageaus worth nothing in the grand scheme of things; karlsson gets one of serg or point and a 1st (NOT AN NYI FIRST THAT COULD BE TOP10), and ryan takes away value from the deal. that's a ripoff by Ottawa.

tampa gets fleeced too, downgrading from Johnson to White, and then basically all of their youth and a 60 pount winger in Palat for EK. that's not even close to fair. Sure they get rid of callahan but his contract is MUCH easier to get rid of than Ryans, and Ottawa got more value back that way in the proposed deal. And don't tell me Callahans contract is worse and weighs down the deal. Ryans contractis 10x worse.

and nyi doesn't make that deal that pixk can be top10 and nobody wants ryan.

and itll take more to entice NYR to take Callahan.

07 Jul 2018 20:27:56
Islanders take on a brutal contract, a 3rd liner and a decent player that won’t help their case rebuilding and in return take their first rounder (probably top 5) and downgrade to Tampa’s 2nd (should be 55-62). Lol this is awful.

In reality Bobby Ryan is nothing more than a bad contract which the islanders can take but would want a first rounder to do it.

On your mind he’s still a good player. which hurts their rebuild.

Either way you just involved the islanders to help the senators, not themselves lol.

07 Jul 2018 20:50:07
You're setting yourself up for a major disappointment again.

07 Jul 2018 22:31:37
There is absolutely no chance that Karlsson goes for any less than both sergachev and point plus a 1st so get over you unrealistic expectations. Ottawa lost enough trades and getting fleeced on this one is simply not an option.

On top of all that Tampa is up against the cap with or with getting Karlsson as kucherov is up for a huge raise soon and point sergachev cirelli and gourds will also be getting substantial raises. with 3 million in space how do you propose they pull it off?

Tampa after this type of deal can afford to sign EK and give kucherov his raise plus have enough down the road for gourde and cirelli plus they get a future replacement for Johnson in white.

Rangers hardly get fleeced when all they give up is a 6th and in return they get back a fan favourite and a 3rd they come out great and Tampa dumps a bad contract.

Ottawa gets value for value and dumps an overpayed/ not bad contract in Ryan.

Islanders get 2 guys who consistantly get 50+ points a season and a playoff performer 3rd line center by downgrading a 1st to a 2nd.

No matter how you look at it no team gets fleeced in this.

Ottawa gets a future

Tampa forms the realist defence in the league without losing its stride up front and dumps a lot of un needed cap

Islanders get a few pieces to lessen the blow of losing tavares

Rangers basically get something for nothing as a 6th making it in NHL is basically a what? 5% chance?

All teams get better after this.

And fyi no way in hell Johnson equals white. Johnson been going downhill and is slightly overpayed just like Ryan. Tampa is actually trying to move him anyway with or without ek trade.

Plus both rangers and islanders have more than enough cap space to take on these contracts after these last 6 months.

08 Jul 2018 00:49:06
Unbiased jim how does this not help the islanders? They are not in rebuild and are set to offer a huge offer sheet to either Matthew's or marner next season. don't you think either of those guys will want someone to play with? A top 6 of 1 of those 2, barzal, eberle, bailey, Lee, and either Palat, or Ryan sounds pretty solid to me and 1 of those guys on 3rd line with pageau gives massive depth. a team like that wouldn't need a rebuild for a while. and that's not even counting wahlstrom who will also be joining the team eventually this trade definately makes the islanders strong enough to be a playoff team this season and if they land one of the big toronto 2 next season they'll be even crazier.

Then you got the rangers who have tons of cap space and essentially give a useless pick to get a decent pick and a guy who is familiar with their team. again rangers get stronger too.

Tampa needs to dump a contract or 2 for kucherov to be affordable anyway so why not dump 3 huge contracts and bring in the top defenseman in the world to boot. on top of that point sergachev gourde cireli and Miller are going to want big raises as well when contracts are up and there is no way tamp can afford all 5 so it makes sense to use 2 to get a huge piece that can put them over the edge like Karlsson can by jacking up their defence and giving the younger guys they still would have a shot at more ice time it's obvious that Tampa is not only more affordable after the deal but also much stronger for it plus with all the guys moving out white gets a shot to join NHL roster much sooner.

I for one as a true Sens fan would consider any less than a trade involving point and sergachev type players and a 1st round pick a massive loss on Sens part. a loss that cannot be allowed after every other garbage trade Dorian has made.

08 Jul 2018 04:41:03
Thanks topshelf for putting that into english for everyone, and you're right ottawa wins every trade proposal rambo makes by a landslide.

08 Jul 2018 07:57:53
Rambo, you’re an idiot. If Matthews and marner want good players to play with, they sign with Toronto and get each other, Tavares, Nylander, marleau, Kadri, Rielly, Gardiner etc to play with lol

If you think either of them leave the leafs right now to go to the islanders you’re dumber than I thought.

Secondly you say no way Karlsson gets traded unless Sergachev AND Point are coming back?! I take that bet all day long. You will be dead wrong again like always

And I love “Sens have lost too many trades lately, they can’t lose this one too! ” It’s the same owner and same GM that made the rest of the trades haha why would you expect different?!

08 Jul 2018 14:05:24
RYAN SUCKS. GET OVER IT. HE MAKES THE TRADE VALUE DROP IMMENSELY.

You know why the TB/ OTT deal didn’t happen some nights ago? Because your stupid ownerr wanted to include RYan too and NOBODYYYYY wants his LUDRICIS comtract.

Arguing with you is like arguing with a brick wall. Get over it man. You aren't getting Point, Johnson, Sergachev and a top 10 pick for EK and Pageau, as Ryan basically neglects White.

08 Jul 2018 15:31:08
Biased jim. yeah because they will totally want to take a massive pay cut to stay in toronto lmfao gtfoh. after signing tavares at 11 mil per season how do you expect them to even have to cap room to sign all the other 3? Nylanader is going to get around 7 million marner around 9 million and Matthew's around 11 million. how do you want them to pay the rest of the team? In the form of a case of beer? Lmfao if they get a great offer they will leave like tavares did.

Top shelf crappers. use your head. Ryan is top 6. puts up identical numbers to palat. only difference is 2.25 million overpayment. yet Ryan sucks and palat don't right? Go sell that garbage to someone who will actually buy it. I actually follow hockey and don't buy in to the trashy comments like that. I like most real hockey fans know exactly what Ryan is capable of and does for our team.

08 Jul 2018 15:51:24
There’s a better chance of Karlsson being waived by the sens for Extra cap room and being claimed by CSKA Moscow then the sens getting Point and Sergachev in the same deal.

Also I’m willing to bet my legs and arms that Mathews and Marner don’t sign an offer sheet.

08 Jul 2018 16:52:01
Unless the leafs move Marleau kadri brown rielly and Gardiner before they need to sign those 2 I'd gladly take a bet on that vbbvbb it's easy money.

Sens won't take any less than both those guys plus a 1st. they aren't taking another loss so get over it and stop overvaluing other teams players and undervaluing sens players.

08 Jul 2018 16:58:55
If you are proven wrong again Rambo, will you please leave this site? You just look to start sh*t every day.

08 Jul 2018 17:26:46
As shown on my other post penguins in 2014 signed 5 players- Crosby, Malkin, Neal, letang and fleury for 58.5 of the salary cap

Leafs could pay Nylander 6.5, matthews 11.25 ans marner 8.5 and that would mean they’re using 62% of their cap on 7 players - Tavares, Matthews, marner, Nylander, Kadri, Rielly and Andersen.
That’s how lol.

08 Jul 2018 17:36:36
I agree with leafs17, please just take a hike rambo. you're annoying to even senators fans, your insight is always a joke. saying things like "what bobby ryan brings to our team" and speaking of his capabilities or whatever, the guy is a cap dump. with 29 million dollars still left on his deal, he could be the biggest cap dump in the league. saying that you "actually follow hockey" could be debated by many on here, as you are inaccurate with mostly everything you say. your knowledge of the NHL and hockey in general is weak and you probably can't tell the difference between your ass and your face. and yet, we have to put up with your ignorance everyday.

08 Jul 2018 19:06:36
I won’t say another word on the Karlsson thing till he’s traded, but if Ottawa get ”atleast Point, Sergachev and a 1st” I will make a post saying Rambo was right and Dorian is a Jedi.

If they get what is actually realistic (a young roster player, prospect and 1st) then Rambo should admit he’s completely clueless and knock off the Sens boas BS.

08 Jul 2018 22:30:22
Ramo, take a hike. Kadri, Rielly, Brown are all on team friendly contracts. Its not going to happen.

09 Jul 2018 03:22:59
Leafs I ain't starting anything. the reason I joined this site is because I like reading rumors on my team but when I found this site all I seen was tracy 1 sided rumors that were more of a laugh than believable. 1 guys posts were respectable and even he don't post anymore so I needed to provide a voice for real hockey fans who wanted to see respectable rumors rather than the trash posted here.

And as for you facelift please don't mistake yourself for a Sens fan because that's a joke in itself. if you were you wouldn't be arguing with common sense. as for your Bobby Ryan comment, should we all band together and call the executives of NHL. com and tell them to fix their stats categories? Seeing as how you all love to argue how ryan ain't worth nothing shouldn't his stats reflect that at least? Because for someone ot worth anything his stats certainly don't reflect that in any way. teams want point. He provides points. Any arguments are POINTLESS and wrong!

07 Jul 2018 04:12:48
Ottawa trades: Karlsson, smith

Tampa trades: Johnson, gourde, Foote, Raddyish, Dotchin, 1st 2019, 2nd 2019

Just taking a wild guess on what it would take for this trade. What do y'all think?

07 Jul 2018 05:18:39
Take out Like Gourde and the 2nd.

07 Jul 2018 06:53:10
Thats waaaay too much

07 Jul 2018 08:58:12
Lol maybe want Kuch, Point, Serg and Vasy as well? Sure, take'em.

07 Jul 2018 14:03:34
This is the type of trade it’ll be in the way it’ll be lots of quantity.

07 Jul 2018 15:58:59
I think any team trading for Karlsson would also have to include a couple of 1st round picks on top of a package that includes a young very good roster player and at least 2 or 3 A prospects. As a team gets close to a deal other teams will try to up their offer so in the end he will bring back a very good haul for the Senators.

07 Jul 2018 15:38:04
TAMPA can’t can't trade 2019 1st or second the year are attached to the mcd trade If Tampa wins cup nyr gets 1st if Tampa doesn’t win the cup nyr gets 2nd.

07 Jul 2018 02:01:22
Ottawa: Sergachev, Point, Raddysh, 2019st

Tampa bay: Karlsson (Resigns long term)

This is probably around the ball park of what I would expect Dorion to ask. Remember your getting a 2 time Norris trophy winner and hands down the best offensive D man in the league in his prime right now

07 Jul 2018 03:12:06
Dont ya think that's a little much...
Thats a top 4 dman at the age of what? 19-20? An established young rh 66 point center at the age of 22 and a really good prospect plus a 1st? I wouldn't do it from Tampa.

07 Jul 2018 03:26:31
Lmao. He can ask all he wants. But Yzerman laughs in his face at this ask and then hangs up the phone. Wow.

07 Jul 2018 04:23:10
I like it, everyone needs to remember that if it’s a sign and trade Tampa would be getting EK for 9 years, his remaining year on this contract and the 8 year extension!

07 Jul 2018 05:21:20
I’m assuming Tampa would rather have him for like 4. Karlsson would want 8. By the end of his contract he’ll be overpaid albeit it will be worth it because of his prime years.

07 Jul 2018 09:01:45
Thats the most absurd rubbish I've ever seen. I doubt TB would include Point in any trade let alone paired with Sergachev, Raddysh and a 1st. This is downright ridiculous.
You seem to forget how few leverage OTT actually has. Seems like there's only a limited number of teams EK is willing to go to and an even fewer number of teams he'd sign an extension with, which diminished the price others would pay for him as a pure rental. Some sources even suggesting TB is the only team he'd sign an extension with.
If OTT does not trade him for the best offer they get, they'll lost him for nothing at the end of the season. This offer would be too much even if it wasnt for this f'd up situation in OTT and EK signed long-term in OTT. McDavid is the only player in the league I'd even think about sending this package from TB.

07 Jul 2018 14:10:43
@The_Triplets I agree with every thing you just said besides the McDavid part. I’d do that for Mathews, Crosby, Malkin, Eichel, Liane, Doughty ETC but certainly not a pending UFA.

08 Jul 2018 04:54:34
Im not saying tampa would do this trade, because they wouldn't. but ottawa could always trade him to one of the other 9 teams on his list without the extension, if tampa wants to sink too low with they're offer. like mike said earlier, tampa can't necessarily play around with their 1st and 2nd round picks (or take on salary baggage) like other teams can.

08 Jul 2018 08:51:23
@Facelift: You think the other teams knowing EK prolly won't resign will pay a better price than "a low TB offer" as you say, knowing full well he's going to be a rental? Doubt it. That's what I meant: OTT is in a poor position and it will be a disappointing return for them, regardless of whether he gets traded to TB or somewhere else.
And TB has every of their own picks besides MAYBE not their 1st next year, so idk what you're saying there.

08 Jul 2018 17:40:22
Im saying ottawa could bring back atleast a 1st if he's just a rental retard.

07 Jul 2018 00:20:33
Three way trade

Ottawa trades: Erik Karlsson, 3rd round pick

Tampa Bay trades: Mikhail Sergachev, Tyler Johnson, Ryan Callahan, 2nd round pick, Taylor Raddysh

NYR trades: 6th round pick




Ottawa gets: Mikhail Sergachev, Tyler Johnson, Taylor Raddysh

Tampa Bay gets: Erik Karlsson

NYR gets: Ryan Callahan, 2nd round pick (TB), 3rd round pick (OTT)

07 Jul 2018 02:07:53
I think that's pretty fair/ realistic. Will have to wait and see.

07 Jul 2018 02:27:21
Point instead of radish makes more sense.

07 Jul 2018 03:37:09
This is very realistic in my opinion. I had to check to make sure you weren't posting a trade that actually happened.

07 Jul 2018 05:17:33
Not getting Sergachev AND Point Rambo lol.

07 Jul 2018 09:02:29
IF Yzerman includes Sergachev in a deal, don't make the mistake to think that he'd add a lot if anything.

07 Jul 2018 10:32:03
Triplets I think this is pretty close to what that trade was going to be. I had heard something like Sergachev, prospect (likely Raddysh), 2020 1st, 2020 2nd, Callahan and maybe Killorn all leaving Tampa in this deal.

08 Jul 2018 00:10:52
Karlsson is the one of or "The Best" defencemen in the world Do you really think any player is better than in on tampa? No, the only close player is Stamkos or kuch. Karlsson can easily take sergachev (top 2) max potential. Yea that's a good player but only 1/ 3 as good as Karlsson, Radish yes easily get him aswell, ( point maybe instead of him if Ottawa was trying to shift leverage, you guys keep saying Ottawa has none but you do know that Tampa Bay's Main Expiring Core Stamer and the others are not going to bethere forever and Toronto adding the addition of JT Well that just makes Yzermen want to make his team better by adding the best defencemen in the world to him team sure he will give up a couple of good prospects but Tampa has the best prospects in the NHL so they can afford to loose some for EK, Especially If They WANT TO KNOCK OFF THE LEAFS, Because there is No Chance Of Doing So WithOut EK65.

06 Jul 2018 04:12:59
If Tampa is trying to acquire Karlsson and keep Core:

TBL:5th round pick
NYR:Ryan Callahan (5.8Mx2)+2nd round pick

TBL:4th round pick
CBJ:Dan Girardi (3Mx1)+6th round pick

TBL:6th round pick
MIN:Brayden Coburn (3.7Mx1)+7th round pick

TBL:2nd round pick+3rd round pick
CAR:Tyler Johnson (5Mx6)

They free up 17.5M assuming they all waive their NTC

Sign and Trade

TBL:Karlsson (11Mx7)
OTT:Foote, Raddysh, Katchouk,2020 1st round pick,2021 2nd round pick

Is this enough for a signed Karlsson?

Next Years Lineup:

Miller-Stamkos-Kucherov
Palat-Point-Gourde
Killorn-Cirelli-Joseph
Conacher-Paquette-Andreoff

Hedman-Karlsson
McDonagh-Stralman
Sergachev-Dotchin

Vasilevskiy
Domingue.

06 Jul 2018 05:16:21
Why would Tampa do a sign and trade and not get 8 years.

06 Jul 2018 05:59:55
Im with Kobalis seems a little too much for giving up their future.. ottawa would need to take back a roster player with a reasonable salary

06 Jul 2018 10:51:06
I agreed on the 8 years and added my own input lol sounded dumb for a sec

06 Jul 2018 13:52:03
Kucherov couldn’t resign ( assuming he won’t take less then Karlsson ) after resigning McDonagh it kinda took away to add a star long term. My guess is he’ll just be a rental.

06 Jul 2018 14:26:04
Not even close for Karlsson. point sergachev and a 1st is a good starting point.

06 Jul 2018 15:19:24
Talks last night was kucherov could be traded elsewhere to make room for Karlsson and also recoup assets used to acquire Karlsson. As a leaf fan, I would be happy to see Tampa get Karlsson if it means lose kucherov. Karlsson is amazing, but with Hedman, McD, stralman and Sergachev, their blueline is already great. If they lose Kuch upfront, I’m much happier facing them. Without Kuch, If stamkos ever gets hurt or sick again, they’re so thin up front. Looking like 2 powerhouses in the Atlantic for years, I’d rather our crazy good forwards and weaker D face a great D core and weak forwards than a team with multiple game breakers up front and on the back end.

06 Jul 2018 15:26:32
Ottawa better insist that Sergachev be in the deal.

06 Jul 2018 15:32:08
On a lot of teams Karlsson can immediately make them twice as good. I don’t think that’s the case with Tampa. If he wants to be there, they should definitely try to make it work, but by the time they lose other good players, and pay assets to dump contracts, I honestly don’t know how much better they are overall. But interesting for sure. Especially if this happens, Karlssons wife will need to re-do a restraining order for the state of Florida because after sending Hoffman 1500miles away, they will be a cpl hours apart again and playing head to head opening night lol.

06 Jul 2018 16:09:40
@Unbiased Jim the idea seems ridiculous Stamkos + Kuch is a ridiculous line I’d rather keep kuch and run with the lineup they have. There team would look very similar to Nashville with Karlsson in- Kuch out.

06 Jul 2018 17:41:01
If they lose kuch just to get karlson they are idiots. I'd sooner trade stamkos then kucherov.

06 Jul 2018 18:04:54
@Habby, agreed. Stacking D is great if you can do it. But look at teams with what’s looked at as the deepest D cores in the league for the last 3-4 years (Calgary, Carolina, Anaheim, Nashville) and what they have accomplished. Only Nashville has had any success to speak of. As where teams with decent-good D cores but multiple game breakers up front (penguins, capitals, bruins, Tampa) have had far more success going deeper or even winning cups.

06 Jul 2018 19:45:15
A team only really need 2-3 really solid defensemen with 3 being okay. They’ll handle all the minutes, it’s at forward is where you need the fire power to keep pressuring and getting those scoring opportunities to win a cup imo need the depth up front for sure.

06 Jul 2018 20:08:24
Yeah if they were lacking on d I could almost see it but they should be ok I would think.

06 Jul 2018 20:10:23
100 point scorers don't exactly grow on trees these days lol.

06 Jul 2018 23:38:05
Only thing that makes sense to me is that Tampa has been the favourite in the division for a while. When leafs added Tavares and all the talk was that teams would have to put their top D on either Matthews or Tavares leaving the other one with an easy night.

Maybe this is yzermans way of responding. Then they can have Karlsson and hedman play together and dominate against the majority of teams and then separate them to match up against Tavares/ Matthews, Baxkstrom/ Kuznetsov and Crosby/ Malkin etc.

05 Jul 2018 18:19:55
TB: Sergachev, Koekkoek, Raddysh, Callahan (cap dump)
OTT: Karlsson

05 Jul 2018 19:05:57
I’d take that if I were Ottawa.

05 Jul 2018 22:28:07
I agree Pitt66.

06 Jul 2018 11:06:03
I wouldn’t.

06 Jul 2018 13:56:19
That’s because you don’t Understand McJesus Ottawa has no leverage to make a deal they need to make a trade and that diminishes his value. They have 2 options let him walk as a FA or trade him for Pennies on the dollar like Hoffman.

06 Jul 2018 14:29:20
They do not need to make a trade vbbvbb. I
He still has a year left on his current contract. his value does not diminish what so ever.
Don't kid yourself!

06 Jul 2018 16:13:20
You’re right Rambo they don’t need to make a trade they can just let him walk as a UFA like Tavares.

06 Jul 2018 18:10:15
Rambo, they don’t HAVE to trade him, you’re right. But saying he doesn’t lose value is a joke. The tavares thing is definitely going to wise up some GMs. If they have star players entering final years that haven’t committed to staying, they are going to have to start shopping them now. No one will let themselves be the next islanders. And that’s how you have to deal with players like seguin who have made zero indication he would even want to leave his current team. Karlsson has said he’s leaving lol.

06 Jul 2018 19:36:21
Dude. his value only decreases come the day after trade deadline as most playoff contenders would be willing to pay a hefty premium for a player like him and so would struggling teams who just need the 1 piece to get them into playoffs. by January February hell be at peak value as teams will be bidding if he's still on the market.

06 Jul 2018 20:12:45
Peak value at half a season then a UFA. No his peak value was 2 seasons ago when he brought the Sens to the Eastern conference finals.

08 Jul 2018 05:19:56
I agree with mcJ, imo callahan's contract wouldn't be coming to ottawa if karl gets dealt. laughable to even think it really.

05 Jul 2018 18:02:13
Sources are confident that Karlsson is going to TB, yikes! The Golden State Lightning i guess but they have cap troubles as well.

To OTT
• (C) Brayden Point
• (D) Mikhail Sergachev
• (C) Tyler Johnson
To TB
• (D) Erik Karlsson

To ARI
• (RW) Ryan Callahan
• (2019) 1st-Round Pick
To TB
• (2019) 6th-Round Pick

To MTL
• (D) Braydon Coburn
To TB
• (2019) 7th-Round Pick

TB Lightning free up 14,500,000M in cap space but also already have 4.45M.

TB gains 18,950,000M to resign Karlsson at probably 11M x 7YR (same as Doughty) and also make more signings.

Tampa Signs - Anthony Duclair (1.75M x 2YR), Kris Versteeg (1.5M x 1YR)


Alex Killorn - Steven Stamkos - Nikita Kucherov
Ondrej Palat - Carter Verhaeghe - Anthony Duclair
JT Miller - Anthony Cirelli - Kris Versteeg
Cedric Paquette - Andy Andreoff - Yanni Gourde

Victor Hedman - Erik Karlsson
Ryan McDonaugh - Dan Girardi
Andrej Sustr - Anton Stralman

05 Jul 2018 18:21:43
What about kucherov next year?

05 Jul 2018 18:23:55
Team looks worse IMO. Be smarter for them to keep Point over Karlsson.

05 Jul 2018 18:33:44
It’d be Point for Karlsson+.

05 Jul 2018 18:23:55
Team looks worse IMO. Be smarter for them to keep Point over Karlsson.

05 Jul 2018 18:33:44
It’d be Point for Karlsson+.

05 Jul 2018 20:08:28
Under no circumstances will Point and Sergachev both be traded for Karlsson. If I am wrong I will happily eat crow afterwards, but he's just not worth both of them IMO. That's lunacy.

05 Jul 2018 20:13:13
Scratch sustr, he signed with Anaheim

05 Jul 2018 21:21:29
So Anaheim can now scratch suster.

06 Jul 2018 02:23:56
Karlsson is number 3 player in the world number 1 defenceman plus he has played side by side with hedman in the past. of course he's worth sergachev + point + 2 1sts. anyone who honestly thinks otherwise must have been born under a rock and has a few screws loose. point has 2 decent seasons under his belt and sergachev had a great rookie season playing with the likes of hedman kucherov and stamkos who are 3 of the best players in the game, of course he's going to look good in most people's eyes. that still don't put either of their individual values anywhere close to karlssons full value. combined value is close but still not enough. add the late 1st and the value is mostly there. now being it would be an in division trade they'd have to over pay a bit so another late 1st the following year would do the trick.

06 Jul 2018 11:04:18
That’s a great offer for Karlsson imo.

06 Jul 2018 11:07:50
Hold on did vb just say Point for Karlsson +.

06 Jul 2018 13:32:24
vb is a sens hater. Go read his previous posts.

06 Jul 2018 13:58:27
I did he’ll be traded on Pennies on the dollar and there GM will be fired shortly after the trade because fans will lose it.

06 Jul 2018 14:34:57
Vbbvbb if Dorian is dumb enough to do any less than what's listed in this proposal then I do agree on the part that he will be fired. either that of fans start a riot.

06 Jul 2018 16:15:21
This will be a worse return then Thornton got. There is no way the senator get a game changer back in any trade they’re in a bad position.

06 Jul 2018 18:21:58
@Rambo: Sens has to add the higher pick (5th rnd) to Hoffman to get boedker, a C prospect and a 6th rounder after you guaranteed he would get a top 10 pick and a top prospect.

So now that you say Point, Sergachev and two 1st rounders, I will equate that to one good prospect (Foote), a first rounder, and a conditional pick (maybe 1st)

06 Jul 2018 18:46:02
Somewhere between Rambo's delusional Sergachev, Point and 2 First round picks proposal, and VB's unlikely prediction of Ottawa not getting a gamer changer back lies Karlsson's true value.

If Karlsson has his heart set on playing in Tampa, and that is the only team with which he is willing to extend with, it obviously limits the bidding war for his services. Ottawa could still trade him to another team for just this year, which would open the bidding to more teams, but they would be trading a Karlsson with one year left on his contract vs. trading an extended Karlsson (for which teams would obviously be willing to trade more for) . Clearly a lot of moving parts.

Rambo also stated in a post above that Ottawa did not have to trade Karlsson "because he has a year left on his contract. " I'm not sure what he means by that (he probably doesn't either) as if Ottawa wants to get anything for Karlsson he must be traded as it is pretty clear he will not be resigning in Ottawa. Personally, I think Ottawa would be foolish to let this drag on into the season as not only will it be a gigantic distraction, they also risk Karlsson injuring himself at which point no one would trade for him, and he would walk next summer as a UFA.

If he goes to Tampa I think that is a positive for Ottawa as Tampa will not be able to take on Ryan's contract, so Karlsson's return will not be further diminshed by Cheap Uncle Eugene stapling a massive cap dump to the trade.

Time will tell (hopefully sooner than later) .

06 Jul 2018 19:11:45
Apologies -- "Karlsson injuring himself" as i wrote above sounds like I meant Karlsson should be on suicide watch or something. That was NOT my intention and poorly worded. I simply meant that allowing Karlsson to play would be running the risk of him suffering a season-ending injury, closing the door on a possible trade before he walks as a UFA next summer.

06 Jul 2018 20:16:11
Well said Unsportsmanlike and Unbiased Jim I like that offer.

06 Jul 2018 21:48:57
@Unsportsmanlike: always seem to agree exactly with you. Always well expressed logic.

05 Jul 2018 16:50:22
To Dal: Alex Killorn

To TB: Remi Elie, 2020 2nd


To Dal: Artemi Panarin

To CBJ: 2019 1st, Riley Tufte.

05 Jul 2018 17:35:41
No from clb And no from Dallas on the 1st Trade.

06 Jul 2018 22:44:17
Cbj want a straight up hockey trade, not wanting picks or prospects, just someone that can replace panarin which they most likely won't find.

08 Jul 2018 05:35:09
Karlssson and bobby ryan for panarin? Lol, jk.

03 Jul 2018 19:56:18
Ottawa is a tough spot they can either trade Karlsson for an underwhelming return or lose him as an FA.

Ottawa: Erik Karlsson and Bobby Ryan

Vegas: Colin Miller and 1st 2019

Or

Ottawa: Erik Karlsson

Vegas: Shea Theodore, Alex Tuch and 2nd 2019

Or

Ottawa: Erik Karlsson

Colorado: Zandonov/Timmins and Ottawa's 1st 2019

Or

Ottawa: Karlsson

Tampa: Tyler Johnson, Taylor Raddish, Slatter Koekkoek And 1st 2019

Or

Ottawa: Karlsson

Washington:Matt Niskanen, Jakub Varna/Andre Burakovsky, Lucus Johanson and 1st 2019

If he is traded he'll return a similar package to these.

03 Jul 2018 20:27:42
Eric karlson was never top of my fav players list but I've noticed over the last 3 years he's really improved his play in the defensive zone along with being the top offensive defenseman in the league. I'm not going to be one of these guys who say he's one of the top 3 players in the league but when he's healthy he is for sure top 10. So essentially what I'm saying is if this is all it takes to get him and montreal doesn't at least try then I would be super ticked off.

03 Jul 2018 21:02:11
I highly doubt he’d resign with a non competitive team + do they really wanna pay him 11-13 million. @habby.

03 Jul 2018 21:15:08
I'm sure other places would be more attractive to him ATM but not all the teams that look like contenders on paper can afford him. and maybe he'd like to stay close to where he's been his whole career and that means toronto or montreal really. And the habs can afford to take on his and Ryan's cap and yes resign him too.

03 Jul 2018 21:16:36
We don't really know where his preferred destinations are yet but I wouldn't bet on it being montreal or toronto just the same.

03 Jul 2018 21:45:41
vegas fan right here.

03 Jul 2018 22:14:52
Colorado AND vegas fan =)

03 Jul 2018 22:30:04
Actually I’m a leafs fan and even if that were true ( leafs don’t even have the cap ) the sens would not trade their best player in franchise history to two of their biggest rivals you guys can disagree all you want but once Ottawa let’s Karlsson walk or gets an underwhelming return I’ll be the 1st to tell you guys I told you so just like I told Rambo about Hoffman.

03 Jul 2018 23:57:54
Toronto has better young guys than Montreal does. I don't think it would be wise to trade to either. I believe he will be traded to the West. If Karlsson goes to Toronto, the Leafs will be in playoffs for long time especially with Tavares probably a cup or 2. Dorion needs to find either a good top 2 Centre, goalie and between prospect or top 4 D-Man.

04 Jul 2018 02:30:04
I'm not disagreeing with you when you say he won't get as much as Rambo thinks he will I just don't see either of these deals being enough at this time.

04 Jul 2018 02:30:25
Some are probably close though.

04 Jul 2018 13:54:01
Just such random and so many values that are so different, hard to tell what you think Karlsson value is, colin Miller and a first? Obviously no from sens. The second trade with a first instead of a 2nd looks a lot better. The teams rumored to get him are contenders other than NYi, so a 2nd would be 50-60 pick and that's not enough.

 
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