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10 Dec 2018 22:08:52
Following the McDonagh precedent set by Tampa Bay, this happens at the deadline.
[McDonagh and Miller for Namestnikov, Howden, Hajek and a conditional 1st]

Toronto Trades: Carl Grundstrom [ELC] + Nikita Zaitsev [4.25 Million x 5 Years] + Timothy Liljegren [ELC] + 2019 1st Round Draft Pick + Conditional 2021 1st Round Draft Pick + 2020 2nd Round Draft Pick.
St. Louis Trades: Alex Pietrangelo [6.50 Million x 2 Years (50% Retention - 3.25 Million x 2 Years) ].

[Condition: Leafs must win cup in 2019, 2020 OR 2021, or Pietrangelo must be resigned for pick to be transacted, otherwise it becomes a 2021 3rd]

I’m willing to add Gardiner and Johnsson and subtract Grundstrom and Zaitsev at discretion, i just think the above is more fair.

- This is basically the McDonagh deal, except, instead of getting another player like JT Miller, we get the huge 50% retention. As STL is rebuilding, its definitely possible they have cap space, and if they need more, Toronto could easily take on a one year cap dump like Gunnarson.
- Liljegren is easily an upgrade on Hajek, Grundstrom a downgrade on Howden but is a relatively similar player. Plus, instead of one 1sts we send two, and the only reason one is conditional is because we need to insure success for ourselves too, lol.

Hopefully its not too lopsided. I tried to keep the McDonagh trade as the precedent, and added more since imo Petro > McD. But their contract situations are extremely similar as well.

Toronto Lineup:
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Johnsson - Matthews - Nylander
Marleau - Kadri - Kapanen
Ennis - Lindholm - Brown

Rielly - Pietrangelo
Gardiner - Hainsey
Dermott - Ozhiganov.

11 Dec 2018 00:42:01
I like using precedents as the basis for my proposals as well, and I think the McDonagh one is most relevant for a Pietrangelo deal.

Pietrangelo is on LTIR, and may require surgery for his hand. That could have him sidelined for quite a while. Obviously no deals would be made until he comes back and is playing at 100%, at which point deadline may have already passed. Then the Karlsson trade becomes the most relevant comparable.

Just one question: the conditional pick for Leafs winning cup in 2021 doesn’t make sense if Pietrangelo doesn’t re-sign (he won’t be on the team then) . If he re-signs, they get the pick anyway. So maybe just make it conditional on the extension?

Good job TSS. This trade has a lot of merit. Helps both teams achieve something. I expect if Petro gets moved, a package similar to this one would be the return for him. Blues might wait until next year to see if the team is competitive. Both Schenn and Pietro will be pending UFA’s then.

11 Dec 2018 01:03:37
any proposal with Timothy Liljegren in it makes me want to cringe a bit. i really don't see them giving up on him this soon. i really think he will be top 2 or top 4 in a few years with them and a core piece of their future. i mean if they really get desperate to make a move for top 2/ top 4 help NOW they may do it but giving up that big of a piece would be rough. i'd sooner get rid of Sandin over Liljegren.

11 Dec 2018 03:04:02
Trade is pretty damn well thought out, I just don't think the 50% retained works.

11 Dec 2018 03:49:37
Trade sucks. Grundstrom liljgren lmfao. Blues won't make tgis trade.

Nylander liljgren 1st zaitsev.

11 Dec 2018 04:45:51
I don’t think it’s awful, I just don’t see value in Zaitsev so taking him on and retaining I don’t think works, even if the rest of the package is comparable to what Tampa gave up for McDonagh (who was slightly less regarded, no retention, and had an injury of his own) . Overall I think it’s possible not sure if Blues have the cap or would pull the trigger on it though.

11 Dec 2018 11:27:01
Redwing, don't you realize the Blues are 29 in the league? And Petro at the desdline will barely have one year + one playoff run on his deal.

Nylander goes in a deal for Parayko, long term for long term.

Nylander doesn't go for Petro. Like Tampa and McD, maybe he resigns, but his main purpose is to just be a rental for two seasons.

And to the others: @kane, i kmow, it hurts me to trade timothy, cause he does have that monster potential, but i mean, if our bst chance to win the cup is now, i'd rather go all-in for a dman now.
@jbs maybe gardiner instead of z?

11 Dec 2018 13:36:48
@PKane, I don’t think this is ‘giving up on Liljegren so early’. When Arizona got frustrated with strome and perlinis progress and shipped out 2 high pick prospects for a weak to average return, that has an odour of ‘giving up on them’.

Having to include a good RHD prospect while acquiring a 28 year old top pair RHD doesn’t mean they’re giving up on him, just means it would be something you can expect the other team would need included to make the deal.

I get what you’re saying, it would be nice to see him through, but look at the leafs talent and age of their core. If we can sacrifice a good young player to make the team far better today, we would have to. We were an up and coming team the last cpl years and if you can add Tavares and Pietrangelo in one season and only lose zaitsev off the current roster, you do it. Our goaltending is really good, forwards rival anyone in the league if not set the bar, but what separates Tampa from us is the high end D with hedman and McDonough and then stralman and Serg. Pietrangelo, Rielly, Gardiner, dermott is not the same by any means, but it’s a hell of a lot closer.

11 Dec 2018 14:50:10
TSS honestly I don’t even think you need to add Gardiner, almost just either no retention or move Zaitsev in a different deal as a dump. Just not sure St. Louis can take the salary and not sure Zaitsev adds value to St. Louis. Package is good, Gardiner would be much too much to add imo.

11 Dec 2018 15:32:27
Unbiased Jim. I just see Liljigren being a huge piece of their future, i'd sooner part with Sandin over him.

11 Dec 2018 16:03:28
We kinda need Liljegren more than Sandin is true too. Especially if we are trading out Zaitsev. We still have Reilly and Dermott for left side. Right side one Pietrangelo is gone, we really have no one left with Zaitsev and Liljegren already gone, there would be no one left.

11 Dec 2018 18:25:21
@LeafsGM. I see what you’re saying, my point is that we have a window here where we are have a legit chance of wining a cup. I’m not saying completely forget about the future and worry only about today, but Petro could really be the difference we need. I’m willing to figure out other stuff later. I’m not worrying about who is going to replace the RHD man that we haven’t even acquired yet. If you have a chance to get a prime aged really good player in the position of most need on our roster, I’m doing it.

08 Dec 2018 21:31:16
Ok here's one for you guys

Ottawa needs defence, Tampa could use help getting Stamkos going, not that he's doing bad but not like he was last year.

Ottawa : dzingle, chlapic

Tampa : sergachev, 2nd (Tampa 2nd is basically a 3rd)

Gives Tampa an affordable top 6 forward with a ton of speed, and a solid prospect forward with top 6 potential

Gives Ottawa an extra pick in mid rounds, and a quality young defenceman, who can slip in nicely with either Chabot or Lajoie in top 4.

08 Dec 2018 22:28:40
Sergachev is worth more than that. He’s not having the greatest year but he’s still young, no where near his ceiling yet. Tampa says no.

08 Dec 2018 23:11:57
Tampa has a logjam at forward, they need the D more. Sergachev is more valuable to that package imo, especially for Tampa who has few good D prospects and a cap crunch coming. Tampa’s loaded at forward both in the NHL and prospect system just don’t see them making that kind of move.

08 Dec 2018 23:35:28
Holy lmao. That is so one sided for Ottawa I can’t even. lmao.

09 Dec 2018 04:33:52
Stamkos is good enough to get his own offense going. Jus had 4 points. he's fine.

09 Dec 2018 07:24:53
Rambone! My brother. This is one sided toward the Sens and you know it. Tampa has no reason to agree to this man. Come on now.

09 Dec 2018 14:42:13
How is this one sided for Ottawa, vertius?

Tampa pick has very little value, sergachev had one solid season in his rookie year and has dropped the ball so far this year just like expected. Still got solid upside of potential but not likely to duplicate last season performance.

While dzingle is a top 6 quality speedy and proven forward averaging roughly 0.55 points per game throughout his career on a team that till now had half the kind of fire power to work with that Tampa does, on top of that he continues to improve and don't cost an arm and a leg salary wise and is arguably top 3 fastest skaters in the game behind McDavid and maybe MacKinnon.

Chlapic is also a solid top 6 potential prospect with tons of upside and a back for finding the back of the net.

This undervaluing sens players / over valuing other teams players is getting kindve old and worn out.

09 Dec 2018 14:43:44
Oh and jbs32, Tampa is actually more loaded on defense than forward, they just don't get the credit they deserve.

Coburn as the 6th dman beside sergachev right now, 3 and 4 being McDonagh and Girardi who were 1 and 2 respectively in new York for years, and Hedman and stralman rounding out top 6 defence

Plus buljus and sustr and DeAngelo in the system

I think they can afford to move sergachev to bolster offence even more and add to the system for when they have a hard time signing everyone and can afford to let them go.

With up coming kucherov, sergachev, point, and guorde contracts due for big raises soon to name a few, it's not likely all will be sticking round why not replenish so your ready for it?

09 Dec 2018 15:32:45
Tbh Sergachev is a stud for his age, if he’d still be at Mtl he would have been 1st pair. Young highly skilled dman don’t come out of your backyard. Sergachev is a future elite dman so you might as well propose and future elite forward like Batherson. Cheap compensation is not going to be enough. The guys you proposed are the kind of guys that can be easily replaced by free agency.

09 Dec 2018 16:24:34
So Rambo can I ask how often you follow other teams?
Because Tampa has none of those players you mentioned for them they only have 1 good D prospect outside the NHL and that is Foote.

09 Dec 2018 18:12:10
I though this trade proposal was a joke at first. Chlapic is a seconde round pic from 2015 that still isn't proven to be nhl player ready. I wouldn't call that an nhl propect with a big upside. He playes 20 games last year and went got 1g 3a +/ - -5
The senator haven't even recalled him this season yet. I think that says something no?

Dzingle is a good player that could help any team for sure as a top 9 and can help top 6 when they're injuries.

Just seeing that you asked for sergachev a future elite defenceman that was drafted top 10 in 2016 and I would say that has surpassed expectations. After that you go and add a seconde round pic.

Summary

Chlapic would be equal value to tampas 2nd round pic

Dzingle.

09 Dec 2018 18:23:12
It looks like my comment was cut half way through but basiclly
Sergachev is way better then dzingle and tp wouldn't trade him for a forward after giving a forward a bit over 1 year ago to get him.
The trade doesn't make much sense and the value is way off.

09 Dec 2018 23:52:06
No rambone, you have always over valued Sens players and your trades are always very good for the Sens. Understandable, when you make a trade you want it to be a win, but your proposals are massive wins for your team not just close calls. Sens have good players, no ones saying they aren't good players.

10 Dec 2018 00:45:09
Rambo I’m a Tampa fan. I know their team and system. Girardi isn’t good. Coburn has been good this year but is playing much better than past few years. They have insane forward depth in NHL and minors but as was mentioned earlier Foote only good D prospect outside of NHL. Sustr hasn’t been a prospect in 5 years sucks and is in Anaheim.

Blujus moved on a few years ago. DeAngelo is on his 2nd team since leaving Tampa. Kucherov and Gourde already have their contracts signed. There are other forwards they will move for cap reasons before Sergachev, who they don’t need to worry about until after next season anyway. 0.55 ppg is respectable but more 3rd line or middle 6. Dzingel isn’t the third fastest player in the league, he might not be the 3rd fastest player on Tampa.

10 Dec 2018 00:44:15
Is that right chlapic is NHL ready it's just because Ottawa has too many over paid guys that they don't want on 4th line and because of hlapic skill they kept him in minors so he could get ice time he deserves rather than waste away on the 4th line. Successful development teams do that all the time look at Detroit with guys like Zetterberg and Datsyuk or Vancouver with the Sedin boys and how they turned out.

Chlapic not going to bump Duchene, stone, Batherson, tkechuck, dzingle, or white at this point and they won't throw teirney, boadker, or Ryan on 4th line so why waste his talent?

Arguably he and balcers should have been called up instead of McCormick and Paul to fill in for Ryan and Duchene but sens management never been smart.

10 Dec 2018 00:47:54
Ctc55 did they trade those players over the weekend and not report it. I literally just double checked their roster before typing this response and they absolutely have every player I mentioned.

Forwards mentioned : brayden point, yanne guorde, Nikita kucherov

Defence mentioned : Victor Hedman, Anton stralman, Ryan McDonagh, Dan Girardi, Braden couburn, mikkail sergachev, Andre sustr, Anthony DeAngelo, and Dylan buljus


Defence I didn't mention that they also have in system with potential is your boy Foote and Slater koakkoak


Might want to do your homework and look it up before you try make me look foolish lol just sayin.

10 Dec 2018 00:40:22
Is that right also note this, by your logic in stating that chlapic worth no more than Tampa's 2nd because of the fact he was drafted in the 2nd you're basically saying a players trade value stays the same as the day they are drafted and never increases.

Also by that logic you're basically saying that a player like chlapic would be worth more than a guys like stone or even Datsyuk or Zetterberg based on the fact he was drafted in an earlier round than they were.

That being said chlapic was draft mid 2nd not late 2nd and his value has increased since then and will continue to do so.

Just because he's currently not on the main roster don't mean he's not a high end prospect. Look at Logan brown for example ranked 3rd among Ottawa's top prospects behind only Chabot and tkechuck, and ahead of the likes of white, Batherson, formenton, chlapic, Gustafson, AHL, gagne, luchuck, Norris, balcers, tychonick, and Bernard docker, all of which are solid prospects that prove Ottawa has a much deeper prospects pool than most teams.
Also note that brown ranked higher that white who is currently number 2 rookie in league yet brown in minors. Does that make his value less?
NOT A CHANCE IT DOES!

10 Dec 2018 02:38:28
Oh look a garbage for gold proposal completely biased in the Sens favour from Rambo.

In other news, water is wet.

You would think with all these amazing super valuable players the Sens apparently have they would suck less.

10 Dec 2018 03:51:37
I looked at chlapik stats and they do not show that he is a promising propect so yeah i don't think he's worth more then a seconde. I also don't know how you brought up zeterberg and datsyuk into this obviously some guys are drafted late in a draft and become stars but that just not the case for chlapik. Panari wasnt drafted i don't think that chlapik better then him for it.

10 Dec 2018 05:38:05
Where do you ‘double check that roster’? Because Tampa traded deangelo to Arizona at the 2016 draft and he was traded to rangers for Raanta and stepan in 2017. Also suster was a free agent signing of the ducks in the offseason.

10 Dec 2018 12:54:11
Rambo there is really no point in telling you stuff anymore because you never listen. DeAngelo is on the Rangers, Sustr is on Anaheim’s farm team after going through waivers and buljus is on Vancouver's farm team. Please listen and don’t think everyone is out to get you. Look at the site most proposals get turned down but people edit and listen to the comments about it (usually) and improve on them.

12 Nov 2018 22:15:31
At the deadline:

NJ: Boyle
WPG: 2nd Round Pick 2019, Lipon

Jersey gets back almost the same package Tampa got for Boyle a couple years ago. Also he's a UFA at the end of the year.

Winnipeg gets another big strong C that can play 4th line in the hardest division. Centres would go: Scheifele, Little, Lowry, Boyle

12 Nov 2018 23:13:50
I don't think Boyle is worth a second given his health issues.

13 Nov 2018 00:20:27
Value would be okay and give us pretty good depth.

21 Oct 2018 17:37:24
Habs Hudon
Tampa Cirelli + Callahan (huge cap dump)

Tatar Danault Gallagher
Drouin Cirelli Domi
Byron Kotkaniemi Armia
Peca Plekanec Deslauriers

Rielly Weber
Mete Petry
Alzner Juulsen

21 Oct 2018 21:36:05
Wouldn't it be just as we'll to just keep hudon. I don't see any reason to take on bad contracts just cause we can afford to.

22 Oct 2018 01:06:42
Rather keep Hudon.

22 Oct 2018 09:35:38
TB doesn't do this either. Just 1 year left on Callahans deal after this season and TB is fine capwise this year. No need to ship out Cirelli in that deal.

24 Oct 2018 13:29:45
Hudon has proven more then Cireli and he is french so no from Habs.

13 Oct 2018 06:32:11
Leafs trade Nylander
Lightening trade Killorn, Foote

Yes, I realize I’m dancing with the devil here. No need to tell me how we shouldn’t be trading with Tampa. But it is a rumour and discussion forum after all. Just looking to get discussion of the merits of each player and how this trade helps each team.

I think Foote is an excellent prospect and would love to have him on RHD along with Liljegren.

Killorn is a very good player.

13 Oct 2018 06:38:53
Hit send by accident. So just finishing my thoughts here:

Killorn is not quite the same level as Nylander, and he is cheaper, so may have to take on Girardi, or more likely, Coburn, in order to balance salaries and make this deal work.

13 Oct 2018 07:29:47
Guess salaries would not have to be balanced for either team as both have cap room left, IIRC.
While it's prolly fair value wise, I guess neither team does this. TOR wants to keep Nylander and TB desperately needs Foote since he's pretty much the only good RHD prospect they have.

13 Oct 2018 18:34:52
Killhorn has negative value 4th liner or 3rd line plug being payed 2nd line salary.

13 Oct 2018 19:54:05
Vb you obviously don't watch teams that aren't the leafs do you? Killorn isn't amazing by any means but he's a third liner that can fill in on the second and is paid about market value. Not someone i'd lose sleep over losing but not someone i'm going to pay another team to take off my hands. Trade wouldn't happen regardless, Tampa needs Foote and Nylander would make it impossible to sign Point/ Vasi.

13 Oct 2018 23:09:05
@jns

If Tampa thought they could afford Karlsson, then they would figure out a way to afford Nylander if they really wanted him.

Coburn 3.5 + Killorn 4.5 + cap space 2 = $10M

Other than Point, no big names on forward group need signing. Bridge Point. A couple old men on defense that will be re-signing for less than what they currently make I’m sure, if they return to Tampa at all. Vasilevskiy’s contract isn’t up until the following year. Tampa could have something worked out by then.

13 Oct 2018 23:17:04
@vb

Try growing a pair and floating a proposal of your own. I put up something every day, good or bad, just to keep discussion flowing. Even when I know I’m going to take heat for it, like trading Kadri, Reilly, or dealing with Tampa. You don’t learn if you don’t keep trying.

13 Sep 2018 15:37:19
With stingy Steve Yzerman off the reigns, I see a more comparable ott Tampa trade happening for Erik Karlsson.

Tampa: EK (EXTENSION)

Ott: Sergachev + Cirelli + Raddysh

13 Sep 2018 15:55:08
If Tampa wanted to trade Sergachev for Karlsson it would’ve been done already.

13 Sep 2018 16:13:23
The GM has changed so maybe Tampas needs have changed.

13 Sep 2018 17:23:50
no pending ufa is worth sergachev and radyish. I know i spelt it wrong in a hurry.

13 Sep 2018 19:33:35
Lmao. Delusional.

22 Aug 2018 05:00:59
Canucks: Gagner, 2nd round pick

Tampa: Callahan, Foote

22 Aug 2018 13:02:22
Not going to get Foote for that.

22 Aug 2018 16:31:06
If Tampa is unwilling to part with Foote for Karlsson they won’t trafe him for Gagner.

21 Aug 2018 21:10:10
to Vancouver
Callahan
Koekkoek

to Tampa Bay
Gagner (1M retained)

Tampa improves their wing situation while getting cap off to make more moves, while vancouver gets a solid young defenseman. Normally a team wouldn't trade someone like Koekkoek in this kind of trade but Tampa is all the way into win-now mode and has 7 other dependable defensemen; the retained salary is invaluable for a team in the situation Tampa is in.

22 Aug 2018 03:07:44
Koekkoek has only proven he is not an NHL defender. I don’t know what you mean by solid. If Vancouver is taking on that much cap and retaining salary. I want Foote not Koekkoek.

22 Aug 2018 13:02:47
realistic, imo.

22 Aug 2018 15:42:21
Koekook has proved more then Nathan Beaulieu.

22 Aug 2018 17:34:56
Beaulieu has played 3 times more games in the NHL. I also would not call Beaulieu a solid defender.

22 Aug 2018 19:30:26
Yes from Tampa. Not sure why the Canucks would though.

23 Aug 2018 12:55:20
I meant hasn't proved.

03 Aug 2018 14:48:00
If Tampa acquires and extends Karlsson (RHD), they need to move out salary and go all in this and next year.

Philadelphia: Girardi ($3MM UFA 2019), Callahan ($5.8MM UFA 2020 NTC), Foote, 2020 1st (TB)
Tampa: Vecchione, Leier

Vecchione is NHL ready but can't crack the roster and Leier has NHL experience. Both are cheap and would be great depth players for a long playoff run which Tampa is poised to do. Callahan might waive to go to a good, young, emerging team if he's smart enough to realize he's an impediment in TB.

Philadelphia has the cap space to take on these contracts without impeding future deals (Provorov, Konecny, Patrick etc). Foote and Myers would be the Flyers RHD of the future.

San Jose: Simmonds ($3.975MM UFA 2019)
Philadelphia: 2019 2nd (FLA), 2020 1st (SJS)

It's doubtful that the Flyers can re-sign Simmonds long term. If the Flyers acquire Callahan, Simmonds is surplus value and should go to a contender that can pay him $5-7MM for 4-6 years. With Thornton coming off the books, the Sharks can extend Simmonds for their window. Philadelphia has Voracek, Konecny, and Allison as RW long term.

Philadelphia maximizes their return while using cap space and roster spots. 2019 Draft priority is RW.

Flyers 2020-2021 Roster:

Giroux-Couturier-Konency
JVR-Patrick-Voracek
Lindblom-Frost-Allison

In waiting: Ratcliffe, Farabee, Rubstov, Vorobyev, Strome, Sushko, O'Brien

Provorov-Myers
Gostisbehere-Foote
Sanheim-Hagg/Morin/Friedman

03 Aug 2018 15:21:37
Good post.

03 Aug 2018 20:05:43
Foote and a 1st to move out Cally? Don’t think so. It’ll prolly just take the 1st. Cause Girardi is basically just a rental cause his contract ends before any resigning would be done.

Simmonds trade isn’t that bad imo, but ain’t that third line a bit inexperienced? Idk, i'd prefer Simmonds there imo.

04 Aug 2018 07:10:37
Foote and 1st is way too steep a price to pay to trade Callahans remaining contract. Could as well buy him out next summer. And you think if Vecchione and Leier can't crack PHIs arguably worse F corps, they will make it on TB? Weird logic
Either send some good value back or take out Foote and then TB maybe considers it.

18 Jul 2018 12:45:54
to Ottawa: Sergachev, Cirelli, Raddysh, 1st (TBL)


to Tampa: Karlsson (signed for 8 years/88 million)


to New Jersey: Coburn, Johnson, Högberg, 3rd (OTT), 2nd (TBL)

18 Jul 2018 13:20:09
Wait Jersey gives nothing and gets a second third and Johnson? The third is enough for one year of Coburn lol.

18 Jul 2018 13:37:19
Well, you're right lol. Maybe switch Johnson with Callahan? Or would Jersey need to get more if they take on Callahan?

18 Jul 2018 14:16:41
Wow. This might be one of the worst Karlsson proposals yet.
Sergachev, Carelli, Raddysh, 1st, 2nd, Coburn, Johnson

For Karlsson?

Do You actually think yzerman is an idiot?

18 Jul 2018 14:38:19
1. it's for Karlsson and to get rid of salary
2. why should Ottawa take less?
3. after rethinking my proposal, adding Johnson is too much. you could also take Cirelli/ Raddysh out of the deal or the 1st from Tampa.
4. No I actually don't think Stevie is an idiot.

18 Jul 2018 16:04:28
In my opinion its a bit too much (mainly with what Jersey is getting) and Coburn is all the salary they need to dump this year. Could send Coburn somewhere and then worry about next years cap issues later with Johnson Killorn Callahan all options to move. I also feel Karlsson extension in Tampa may be under 11 but wouldn't be by much and i wouldn't be surprised by 11.

18 Jul 2018 16:59:25
I still don’t know why New Jersey is involved in this lol.

20 Jul 2018 14:40:28
I actually don't mind this 1 at all. finally found someone on here outside myself and 2 others who no longer post because of the foolish posts and responses you see, who has a decent sense of trade value.

17 Jul 2018 20:28:00
OTT: Karlsson
TB: Sergachev, Raddysh, Joseph

17 Jul 2018 21:58:04
Yes from Ottawa on this one.

18 Jul 2018 01:48:59
I would really like Cirelli . but at this point Sergachev + is a win.

18 Jul 2018 10:02:32
Lul this a terrible trade proposal Sergachev, raddysh is a good start though.

20 Jul 2018 15:05:39
No from Ottawa, Tampa adds huge.

10 Jul 2018 20:33:53
3-way deal

Ottawa:
RD Erik Karlsson
RW Bobby Ryan
2019 2nd round pick

Tampa:
LD Mikhail Sergachev
C Anthony Cirelli
RD Jake Dotchin
2020 1st round pick

New Jersey:
RW Brandon Baddock


To New Jersey:
RW Bobby Ryan
2019 2nd round pick
RD Jake Dotchin

To Ottawa:
LD Mikhail Sergachev
C Anthony Cirelli
2020 1st round pick

To Tampa:
RD Erik Karlsson
RW Brandon Baddock

10 Jul 2018 20:57:34
Again, why does New Jersey take 4 years/ $29 mill of bony Ryan for a #6/ 7 Dman and a 2nd?!

Detroit swapped picks which allowed Arizona Jacob Chychrun at 12th overall to take 1 year/ 7 mill of Datsuks money. Think about that price and now realize you want a team to take that same cap hit but 4 times as long. Where’s the incentive?!

11 Jul 2018 10:41:31
Should TB include Sergachev, we def won't also add Cirelli and a 1st lol.

11 Jul 2018 13:16:01
I could live with this.

Tampa would have to pair sergachev with a 1st and one of either cireli gourde or point triplets. you don't get the best defenceman / number 3 player in the world cheap. it's not even a debate at this point. you guys who think superstars like Karlsson come cheap need to get out of your grandparents basements. I say grandparents because even your parents would be embarrassed by you.

11 Jul 2018 15:08:46
Best deffensman in the world? The person who proposed the trade is talking about Karlsson not Doughty.

12 Jul 2018 08:11:31
Rambo, are you really that stupid? OTT has no leverage whatsoever, they need to trade him, otherwise they lose him for no return at all.

15 Jul 2018 17:23:02
They have a year to trade him if needed triplets it's not an immediate thing this the leverage argument is nullified and void get that through your head.

Exactly vbbvbb what does doughty have to do with anything to do with best defenceman in the world conversation? The guy hasn't been relevant in 3 seasons now. Karlsson bu far number 1 while the likes of dahlin hedman josi subban burns pietrangelo byfuglien werenski jones and ekblad have all surpassed doughty by this point. he's still great sure but not like he was. Karlsson had rough year injury wise and personal wise sso naturally he was going to struggle a bit doesn't mean he's done.

10 Jul 2018 15:14:54
3 way trade between Ottawa, Colorado and Tampa

Tampa gets: Karlsson, Conor timmins

Ottawa gets: Sergachev, Cirelli, Foote, COL 2019 1st (ottawa's)

Colorado gets: Tampa 2020 1st, Johnson, Ott 3rd 2019

10 Jul 2018 15:50:53
So Colorado gives up a good 19 year old RHD prospect and gives Ottawa back their own 1st round pick that should be a top 5, for Johnson (owed $30million), Tampa’s 1st (would be 25-31) and a 3rd from Sens?! Lol

Colorado just gets involved here to get screwed and help Ottawa’s rebuild by returning the pick their moron GM traded away and making it possible for them to cash in on Karlsson by taking Johnson’s salary out of the equation in Tampa.

The third team getting involved in these trades need to come out ahead to justify even being there. The only reason these things become 3 team trades is that teams 1 and 2 need team 3 to do them a favour. They get paid for that favour. They don’t pay to do youbthe favour. They’re the biggest loser in the whole deal haha makes zero sense.

10 Jul 2018 16:53:35
Haha oh man this is bad.

Easy no from Colorado. I don't think they trade that pick unless Karlsson is heading to Denver, not Tampa.

10 Jul 2018 18:04:45
Colorado gets bent over. Wouldn’t trade Timmons alone for that let alone a potential 1st ovr pick.

11 Jul 2018 10:42:27
This is horrible for TB. This is horrible for COL. Nice try, Sens fan.

11 Jul 2018 13:41:32
vbbbvvbb you wouldn't trade timmins for that lol.

11 Jul 2018 15:20:56
No I wouldn’t he has tremendous potential and in all the redrafts he’s a top 10 pick.

09 Jul 2018 15:42:15
I think, and hope, the Karlsson to Tampa trade, after an extension(8 x 11.5) would have to look like:

TB: Karlsson + B prospect
for either

OTT: Sergachev + Cirelli + ......

OTT: Point + Foote + ......

or

OTT: Cirelli + Foote + Raddysh

and that goes from most unlikely to most likely. The last trade maybe includes ryan instead of the prospect.

09 Jul 2018 20:14:25
Wow. I‘d be really disapointded with that last one. If we can get sergachev +. I’d be happy.

10 Jul 2018 00:52:54
Sorry, meant to put point + Foote as the most unlikely. I can see the sergachev one happening, but It'll probably end up being less than the last one.

10 Jul 2018 09:06:36
TB won't sign EK for 11.5 per, no way he gets that much from us.

10 Jul 2018 13:55:59
The point of Tampa getting involved in a huge name player like Karlsson when they’re already loaded with stars is that They can exploit the Tax situation vs places all around the league, but especially Ontario and California which are the highest. Tampa’s huge advantage means that they’re 8.5 mill offer to stamkos was equivalent after taxes to 10.5ish in Ontario (Toronto) . So if Tampa gives him 11 or 11.5, that’s like the equivalent of him getting 13-14 mill in Ottawa, Toronto, San Jose, LA or Anaheim lol if they give him $3 mill more than stamkos, $4 mill more than hedman, they might have an internal power struggle, but also almost guaranteed Kuch has to go. Bad plan.

10 Jul 2018 20:20:48
Sergachev + point/ gourde/ cirelli + a 1st and I'd be happy. maybe add an early round pick if cireli.

09 Jul 2018 06:56:45
3 way trade


Lightning receive: Karlsson, Sutter 50% retained, Canucks 3rd round pick

Sens receive: Gourde, Johnson, Dotchin, 1st round pick 2019, Koekkoek

Canucks receive: Ryan, Callahan, Foote, Stephens

How close to fair is this

09 Jul 2018 14:32:11
Tampa dosnt have a first pick.

09 Jul 2018 17:26:48
If that 1st round pick is Vancouver’s you’re on something.

10 Jul 2018 15:16:35
Ottawa gets robbed omg.

09 Jul 2018 01:30:43
TB: Kucherov
CLB: Panarin

09 Jul 2018 04:48:48
Kuch >>> Panarin.

09 Jul 2018 05:02:32
Kucherov has a lot more value than Panarin not to mention is younger. Not to say Panarin isn’t really good Kucherov is just better.

10 Jul 2018 02:35:58
They're close, similar size, and only like 15 pts difference last 3 years so I wouldn't say kucherov is way better.

08 Jul 2018 16:48:53
Montreal receive: Callahan, 2020 2nd
Tampa bay receive: 2019 6th

Montreal receive: Beauvillier, Ho-Sang, 2nd 2019
Islanders receive: Pacioretty, Shaw (25% retained), 4th 2020

Montreal receive: 3rd 2019
Florida receive: Callahan (50% retained)

Domi Danualt Gallagher
Drouin Beauvillier Hudon
Lehkonen Peca Scherbak
Byron Plek Ho-Sang.

09 Jul 2018 03:24:13
Decent trade buds.

08 Jul 2018 04:01:43
Tampa Trade -
To OTT
• (C) Cal Foote
• (D) Mikhail Sergachev
• (2019) 1st-Round Pick
• (RW) Ryan Callahan
To TB
• (D) Erik Karlsson

Dallas Trade -
To OTT
• (D) Julias Honka
• (D) Miro Heskianen
• (2019) 1st-Round Pick
To DAL
• (D) Erik Karlsson

Edmonton Trade -
To OTT
• (RW) Jesse Puljujärvi
• (LW) Milan Lucic
• (D) Ethan Bear
• (2019) 1st-Round Pick
To EDM
• (D) Erik Karlsson

Calgary Trade -
To OTT
• (D) Travis Hamonic
• (D) Juuso Välimäki
• (2019) 1st-Round Pick
• (C) Dillon Dube
To CGY
• (D) Erik Karlsson


What package would you take if you're ottawa?

08 Jul 2018 04:59:38
The Dallas one.

08 Jul 2018 08:46:05
The package TB sends is definitely better than the DAL one. Which is the reason TB sure won't send both Sergachev AND Foote.

08 Jul 2018 11:36:28
One of those offers is not like the others haha

You cheer for Edmonton by any chance?

08 Jul 2018 15:12:42
Idk triplets I think heskinenen has the ability to be much better then sergachev or foote plus dallas doesn't take back a bad contract like the other deals and I feel there is a better chance of there 1st being a bit higher then tampa.

08 Jul 2018 15:40:46
None of those teams accept besides Edmonton and Calargry.

07 Jul 2018 18:47:20
OTT: Karlsson, Pageau
TBL: Sergachev, Point, Callahan
______________________________________________
Tampa gets one of the best Defensemen on the planet and a great 3rd line center, great on the pk and very good on faceoffs. Doubt they would want to give up both Serg. and Point, but they also get rid of Callahans contract.

Ottawa gets a great 1B Center and a 20 yr old top 4 D coming off of a great rookie year. However take back another bad contract.
______________________________________________

Boedker - Duchene - White
Dzingel - Point - Stone
Chlapik - Brown - Ryan
Pajaarvi - Smith - Callahan

Sergachev - Wideman
Chabot - Jaros
Boroweicki - Wolanin
______________________________________________

Miller - Stamkos - Kucherov
Palat - Johnson - Gourde
Killorn - Pageau - Cirelli
Paquette - Adreoff- ?

Hedman - Karlsson
Mcdonagh - Stralman
Coburn - Girardi

07 Jul 2018 19:29:30
forgot Ceci in the Sens line-up . guess it was a freudian slip lol.

07 Jul 2018 20:11:37
Huge no from Tampa.

07 Jul 2018 22:23:02
I garauntee Yzerman isn't giving up both Sergachev and Point. Not a chance in hell. I would even bet there's a good chance he isn't giving up just one of them let alone both.

08 Jul 2018 05:56:30
In my opinion its one or the other of sergachev/ point but not both.

07 Jul 2018 18:19:55
Ok so Tampa and Ottawa are close to a deal but Tampa want a 3rd or maybe even 4th team involved to dump some cap so.

Ott : sergachev, point, Johnson, nyi 1st

Tbl : Karlsson, white, ott 3rd, nyr 6th

Nyi : palat, Ryan, pageau, tbl 2nd

Nyr : Callahan, tbl 3rd

Rangers get a fan favorite back plus upgrade their pick for next to nothing

Islanders get 2 top 6 guys with scoring touch to fill the void left by tavares plus a serviceable 3rd line center by downgrading their 1st to a 2nd

Ottawa gets a 1st back plus 2 promising young talents bu taking on Johnson's cap to replace Ryan's

Tampa dumps a bunch of cap but upgrades a late 3rd to what will prob be an early 3rd plus they get a 6th a high end prospect who will fit nicely with them and oh yeah the best defenceman in the world.

Killorn stamkos kucherov
Gourd miller cirelli

Hedman Karlsson
Mcdonagh Girardi

Deadly at both ends.

07 Jul 2018 19:07:28
Islander and rangers get hose very bad.

07 Jul 2018 19:29:22
Aiii this makes no sense so lemme break it down:

TB Acquires: Karlsson, White, 3rd, 6th
TB Trades: Serg, Point, Johnson, Palat, Callahan, 2nd, 3rd

OTT Acquires: Sergachev, Point, Johnson, 1st
OTT Trades: Karlsson, White, Ryan, Pageau, 3rd

NYI Acquires: Palat, Ryan, Pageau, 2nd
NYI Trades: 1st

NYR Trades: 6th
NYR Acquires: Callahan, 3td

Okay. putting into perspective, ottawa, as per usual with rambo propsosals, fleeces everyone. You get potentially a top5 pick, serg and point for EK w one year left, a terrible contract that will take at least a 1st to get rid off, some throw aways and colin white.

Lets say white = johnson.
pageaus worth nothing in the grand scheme of things; karlsson gets one of serg or point and a 1st (NOT AN NYI FIRST THAT COULD BE TOP10), and ryan takes away value from the deal. that's a ripoff by Ottawa.

tampa gets fleeced too, downgrading from Johnson to White, and then basically all of their youth and a 60 pount winger in Palat for EK. that's not even close to fair. Sure they get rid of callahan but his contract is MUCH easier to get rid of than Ryans, and Ottawa got more value back that way in the proposed deal. And don't tell me Callahans contract is worse and weighs down the deal. Ryans contractis 10x worse.

and nyi doesn't make that deal that pixk can be top10 and nobody wants ryan.

and itll take more to entice NYR to take Callahan.

07 Jul 2018 20:27:56
Islanders take on a brutal contract, a 3rd liner and a decent player that won’t help their case rebuilding and in return take their first rounder (probably top 5) and downgrade to Tampa’s 2nd (should be 55-62). Lol this is awful.

In reality Bobby Ryan is nothing more than a bad contract which the islanders can take but would want a first rounder to do it.

On your mind he’s still a good player. which hurts their rebuild.

Either way you just involved the islanders to help the senators, not themselves lol.

07 Jul 2018 20:50:07
You're setting yourself up for a major disappointment again.

07 Jul 2018 22:31:37
There is absolutely no chance that Karlsson goes for any less than both sergachev and point plus a 1st so get over you unrealistic expectations. Ottawa lost enough trades and getting fleeced on this one is simply not an option.

On top of all that Tampa is up against the cap with or with getting Karlsson as kucherov is up for a huge raise soon and point sergachev cirelli and gourds will also be getting substantial raises. with 3 million in space how do you propose they pull it off?

Tampa after this type of deal can afford to sign EK and give kucherov his raise plus have enough down the road for gourde and cirelli plus they get a future replacement for Johnson in white.

Rangers hardly get fleeced when all they give up is a 6th and in return they get back a fan favourite and a 3rd they come out great and Tampa dumps a bad contract.

Ottawa gets value for value and dumps an overpayed/ not bad contract in Ryan.

Islanders get 2 guys who consistantly get 50+ points a season and a playoff performer 3rd line center by downgrading a 1st to a 2nd.

No matter how you look at it no team gets fleeced in this.

Ottawa gets a future

Tampa forms the realist defence in the league without losing its stride up front and dumps a lot of un needed cap

Islanders get a few pieces to lessen the blow of losing tavares

Rangers basically get something for nothing as a 6th making it in NHL is basically a what? 5% chance?

All teams get better after this.

And fyi no way in hell Johnson equals white. Johnson been going downhill and is slightly overpayed just like Ryan. Tampa is actually trying to move him anyway with or without ek trade.

Plus both rangers and islanders have more than enough cap space to take on these contracts after these last 6 months.

08 Jul 2018 00:49:06
Unbiased jim how does this not help the islanders? They are not in rebuild and are set to offer a huge offer sheet to either Matthew's or marner next season. don't you think either of those guys will want someone to play with? A top 6 of 1 of those 2, barzal, eberle, bailey, Lee, and either Palat, or Ryan sounds pretty solid to me and 1 of those guys on 3rd line with pageau gives massive depth. a team like that wouldn't need a rebuild for a while. and that's not even counting wahlstrom who will also be joining the team eventually this trade definately makes the islanders strong enough to be a playoff team this season and if they land one of the big toronto 2 next season they'll be even crazier.

Then you got the rangers who have tons of cap space and essentially give a useless pick to get a decent pick and a guy who is familiar with their team. again rangers get stronger too.

Tampa needs to dump a contract or 2 for kucherov to be affordable anyway so why not dump 3 huge contracts and bring in the top defenseman in the world to boot. on top of that point sergachev gourde cireli and Miller are going to want big raises as well when contracts are up and there is no way tamp can afford all 5 so it makes sense to use 2 to get a huge piece that can put them over the edge like Karlsson can by jacking up their defence and giving the younger guys they still would have a shot at more ice time it's obvious that Tampa is not only more affordable after the deal but also much stronger for it plus with all the guys moving out white gets a shot to join NHL roster much sooner.

I for one as a true Sens fan would consider any less than a trade involving point and sergachev type players and a 1st round pick a massive loss on Sens part. a loss that cannot be allowed after every other garbage trade Dorian has made.

08 Jul 2018 04:41:03
Thanks topshelf for putting that into english for everyone, and you're right ottawa wins every trade proposal rambo makes by a landslide.

08 Jul 2018 07:57:53
Rambo, you’re an idiot. If Matthews and marner want good players to play with, they sign with Toronto and get each other, Tavares, Nylander, marleau, Kadri, Rielly, Gardiner etc to play with lol

If you think either of them leave the leafs right now to go to the islanders you’re dumber than I thought.

Secondly you say no way Karlsson gets traded unless Sergachev AND Point are coming back?! I take that bet all day long. You will be dead wrong again like always

And I love “Sens have lost too many trades lately, they can’t lose this one too! ” It’s the same owner and same GM that made the rest of the trades haha why would you expect different?!

08 Jul 2018 14:05:24
RYAN SUCKS. GET OVER IT. HE MAKES THE TRADE VALUE DROP IMMENSELY.

You know why the TB/ OTT deal didn’t happen some nights ago? Because your stupid ownerr wanted to include RYan too and NOBODYYYYY wants his LUDRICIS comtract.

Arguing with you is like arguing with a brick wall. Get over it man. You aren't getting Point, Johnson, Sergachev and a top 10 pick for EK and Pageau, as Ryan basically neglects White.

08 Jul 2018 15:31:08
Biased jim. yeah because they will totally want to take a massive pay cut to stay in toronto lmfao gtfoh. after signing tavares at 11 mil per season how do you expect them to even have to cap room to sign all the other 3? Nylanader is going to get around 7 million marner around 9 million and Matthew's around 11 million. how do you want them to pay the rest of the team? In the form of a case of beer? Lmfao if they get a great offer they will leave like tavares did.

Top shelf crappers. use your head. Ryan is top 6. puts up identical numbers to palat. only difference is 2.25 million overpayment. yet Ryan sucks and palat don't right? Go sell that garbage to someone who will actually buy it. I actually follow hockey and don't buy in to the trashy comments like that. I like most real hockey fans know exactly what Ryan is capable of and does for our team.

08 Jul 2018 15:51:24
There’s a better chance of Karlsson being waived by the sens for Extra cap room and being claimed by CSKA Moscow then the sens getting Point and Sergachev in the same deal.

Also I’m willing to bet my legs and arms that Mathews and Marner don’t sign an offer sheet.

08 Jul 2018 16:52:01
Unless the leafs move Marleau kadri brown rielly and Gardiner before they need to sign those 2 I'd gladly take a bet on that vbbvbb it's easy money.

Sens won't take any less than both those guys plus a 1st. they aren't taking another loss so get over it and stop overvaluing other teams players and undervaluing sens players.

08 Jul 2018 16:58:55
If you are proven wrong again Rambo, will you please leave this site? You just look to start sh*t every day.

08 Jul 2018 17:26:46
As shown on my other post penguins in 2014 signed 5 players- Crosby, Malkin, Neal, letang and fleury for 58.5 of the salary cap

Leafs could pay Nylander 6.5, matthews 11.25 ans marner 8.5 and that would mean they’re using 62% of their cap on 7 players - Tavares, Matthews, marner, Nylander, Kadri, Rielly and Andersen.
That’s how lol.

08 Jul 2018 17:36:36
I agree with leafs17, please just take a hike rambo. you're annoying to even senators fans, your insight is always a joke. saying things like "what bobby ryan brings to our team" and speaking of his capabilities or whatever, the guy is a cap dump. with 29 million dollars still left on his deal, he could be the biggest cap dump in the league. saying that you "actually follow hockey" could be debated by many on here, as you are inaccurate with mostly everything you say. your knowledge of the NHL and hockey in general is weak and you probably can't tell the difference between your ass and your face. and yet, we have to put up with your ignorance everyday.

08 Jul 2018 19:06:36
I won’t say another word on the Karlsson thing till he’s traded, but if Ottawa get ”atleast Point, Sergachev and a 1st” I will make a post saying Rambo was right and Dorian is a Jedi.

If they get what is actually realistic (a young roster player, prospect and 1st) then Rambo should admit he’s completely clueless and knock off the Sens boas BS.

08 Jul 2018 22:30:22
Ramo, take a hike. Kadri, Rielly, Brown are all on team friendly contracts. Its not going to happen.

09 Jul 2018 03:22:59
Leafs I ain't starting anything. the reason I joined this site is because I like reading rumors on my team but when I found this site all I seen was tracy 1 sided rumors that were more of a laugh than believable. 1 guys posts were respectable and even he don't post anymore so I needed to provide a voice for real hockey fans who wanted to see respectable rumors rather than the trash posted here.

And as for you facelift please don't mistake yourself for a Sens fan because that's a joke in itself. if you were you wouldn't be arguing with common sense. as for your Bobby Ryan comment, should we all band together and call the executives of NHL. com and tell them to fix their stats categories? Seeing as how you all love to argue how ryan ain't worth nothing shouldn't his stats reflect that at least? Because for someone ot worth anything his stats certainly don't reflect that in any way. teams want point. He provides points. Any arguments are POINTLESS and wrong!

 
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