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16 Feb 2018 07:16:36
Oil: Nuge
Sens: Hoffman
Oil: Strome + 2nd
Yotes:Domi

Oil: Maroon
TB: Cirelli.

16 Feb 2018 07:23:00
We can tell you're an Oilers fan.

16 Feb 2018 09:05:58
The first proposal is all over right now and I think it’s fair. Hoffman is a true sniper but Hopkins is much younger and a center. As far as the second proposal goes, I don’t think anyone wants Strome. I don’t know the guy from Tampa in the last proposal but I really hope Maroon doesn’t end up in Tampa or Boston.

16 Feb 2018 17:05:42
Strome is awful.

16 Feb 2018 17:22:27
Ottawa has no need for another center, the first trade makes no sense at all.

16 Feb 2018 18:08:30
They are maybe trading Brassard. And if they do Nuge would be appealing to them.

16 Feb 2018 18:47:21
RNH is worth more than those guys.

16 Feb 2018 19:55:47
I just heard that the RNH for hoffman deal is in fact an actual rumour, my bad.

16 Feb 2018 20:57:16
Strome and Domi really haven’t had that different of careers. Both young but Domi definitely has the higher potential. That’s an early 2nd. 1st would seem like an overpayment IMO. And if Oil get Domi I wouldn’t want to trade RNH for Hoffman.

16 Feb 2018 16:27:29
The Hoffman for RNH trade has been suggested by the Media and is all over the Edm websites. The fans are outraged with the straight Hoffman for Hopkins trade so don't think that will go down. Ottawa would have to put in something else decent with Hoffman to appease the masses.

If this trade went down the collection in Edmonton for the GM to go billboards would be massive.


2nd trade. Favors Edm a bit too much. I think Arizona will get more than that for Domi. Trade probably depends on how bad they want to dump Domi.

3rd trade.

Maroon for who? A magic bean that might play in the NHL someday? Well. who can argue about getting an asset for a UFA I guess.

12 Feb 2018 13:31:13
OTT: Hoffman
Columbus: Milano, Gabe Carlsson

OTT: Ceci
TB: Gourde, 2nd

OTT: Phaneuf @ 50%, Smith, 1st
LA: Ladue, Vilardi, 1st

OTT: Thompson
ANA: 4th

OTT: Oduja
TOR: 4th

Ryan Duchene Stone
Dzingel Brassard Domenico
Pyatt Pageau Milano
Gourde White Paajarvi

Karlsson Chabot
Ladue Wideman
Carlsson Boro

Claesson, Harpur depth
Chlapik, Vilardi on way

Vast improvement in bottom six.

12 Feb 2018 16:34:16
Gourde has 20 goals this year. Every line he plays on scores. I wouldn't trade him for Ceci let alone with a secons but that's because i don't think Ceci is good at all. Gourde would not be on the 4th line on a team like that.

12 Feb 2018 18:56:24
Phaneuf doesn’t get you Vilardi alone lmao.

13 Feb 2018 04:36:51
would the 1st rounds in the la trade not cancel eachother out, if not ottawas be worth more?

13 Feb 2018 05:33:47
Pkane, ottawas pick will likely be top 5 or 6. los angeles pick likely 24-31 somewhere in there. that would be an immediate deal breaker for the sens imo.

13 Feb 2018 08:59:45
Haven't the Sens already traded their 1st for Duchene?

13 Feb 2018 09:33:19
Haha nice try with the Gourde trade. Not even straight up.

13 Feb 2018 16:13:51
Toronto doesn't want oduja he's to slow. Maybe 4 yeara ago.

13 Feb 2018 21:11:38
Rednick, its top 10 protected. but still, i don't think ottawa is in any place to be flaunting that pick around in trade proposals.

14 Feb 2018 10:38:37
Last 2 yes
First 3 no

Phaneuf 1 is a joke for ottawa. firstly Phaneuf will be gone but without retention.
Secondly ottawa will not trade their pick.

14 Feb 2018 17:28:19
Newsflash ram! Phaneuf was traded last night! We retained 25%.

16 Feb 2018 21:34:11
Yeah we did but that's because Dorian has no idea what he's doing. any other gm could get that deal done without retention. Dorian is a fool.

12 Feb 2018 05:48:38
Oil: Maroon

TB: Katchouk.

12 Feb 2018 06:36:44
i don't think so. i get that katchouk isn't established but i think value wise he's worth a little more than maroon.

12 Feb 2018 10:00:48
TB has no real need for Maroon, if they spend assets its going to be on a Top 4 D and maaaybe a bottom 6 center.

12 Feb 2018 12:43:00
Katchouk is worth more than Maroon and i don't think its really that close. Maroon will likely get about a second.

12 Feb 2018 15:00:20
jbs is it possible for u to stop your bias? Why is Katchouk worth more then a second. He was drafted in the second round and hasn't prove nothing. i wouldn't even pick him his stats aren't great.

12 Feb 2018 16:40:07
Katchouk has been great post draft and plays a better all around game than most that score like him. Also i don't know if you believe in clutch but he's got a tendancy to score late game winners and in OT. He was picked with a second but i wouldn't trade him for a late second. Likely not a top line guy in NHL but his floor is probably around Maroon who is a bottom 6 guy away from McDavid.

12 Feb 2018 16:40:41
Also Colt you're far from the person to be telling anyone to check their bias lol.

12 Feb 2018 16:45:07
Thanks for replies but for sure going to agree with colt, he has not even played a single game in the nhl and he’s not Tampa’s top prospect (maybe 3 or 4th best) . So value wise idk how an unproven OHL player has more value than Maroon personally lol.

12 Feb 2018 21:04:27
Everyone is an unproven player at some point. wouldn't have given up Sergachev for Maroon last year and he was an unproven OHL player. Maroon is a 3rd liner, which seems to be where people project Katchouk to be with possibility of 2nd liner. I wouldn't give up however many years of control of a player for a half year of at worst a similar player. Not to mention teams tend to trade picks because they don't know who they'll get with them over prospects. I can see Katchouk traded but they don't really gain anything this year or the future in trading him for Maroon.

12 Feb 2018 22:52:03
Yeah. Jbs has a good point. If a team drafted a kid recently in the second round, they have scouted, interviewed, invested time, developed him a bit. Unless they see something between that draft and now that they don't like, they would rather give a future 2nd because they haven’t invested any resources or effort in it yet.

Katchouk has done nothing since he was drafted to tell the organization he’s worth less than the 2nd rounder they used to pick him, and possibly has shown they could have picked him a bit higher and been happy. I wouldn’t give up much for a guy like maroon, maybe a late 2nd or 3rd, but not a promising kid I have invested in.

11 Feb 2018 22:28:25
Oilers
Maroon
2nd round pick

Lightning:
namestnikov
Koekkoek
5th round pick.

12 Feb 2018 00:11:07
Can’t see Tampa breaking up that namestnikov chemistry with stam and kuch.

12 Feb 2018 00:17:48
Hahaha what?

12 Feb 2018 00:43:19
Wow that's terrible for Tampa. Vlad could get Maroon and a 2nd +++ easily. And you add Koekkoek? Wow.

12 Feb 2018 01:49:12
I really don't think Tampa needs to do this. I think they should jus go in with what they have. they are a good team.

12 Feb 2018 02:47:35
To be fair Koekoek is not worth much at this point he's probably the biggest bust of the last 10 nhl draft. But ya Namestikov is proven to be more then just a depth forward and has found good chemistry with Tampa Bay's star.

12 Feb 2018 04:56:40
Biggest bust of the last 10 drafts? that's a pretty big stretch bud considering he's you know. Playing in the NHL and still had multiple teams calling to acquire him. he's a top 6 D at this point and should be playing every day over Sustr/ Coburn. Not saying he's what they thought he would be but he's not even the biggest bust of his draft Griffen Reinhardt went 6 picks earlier.

12 Feb 2018 06:37:20
namestnikov has ten times the vuale of maroon lmao ones a ufa.

12 Feb 2018 12:39:31
Maybe he's just one of the nicest bust of the last ten draft. But to me I wanted mtl to draft him. I saw him in junior and tought he was a he'll of a defensemen and would become a beast. But when you can't out perform an, at 23 year old, Andrej Sustr. Lol.

12 Feb 2018 16:42:12
Colt he does out perform Sustr. Sustr playing over him has been the biggest frustration to Lightning fans the past few years. The issue there is Cooper loyalty to Sustr not Koekkoek skill.

13 Feb 2018 00:07:45
There’s 20 players that are bigger busts without even thinking hard lol look at 10 drafts top 10s ans see how many are not even in the nhl. He is. Simple man. Go from 2004-2014 because it’s not fair to call 18-21 year olds busts. But that’s a dumb comment calling a 23 year old Dman playing in the NHl on the best team in the league a bust haha.

10 Feb 2018 23:46:32
Deadline deals

Detroit trades
Green
Toronto trades
Soshikov and 2nd in 2018

NYR trades
Nash
Winnipeg trades
Petan and 3rd in 2018

Arizona trade
Haljarmin
Tampa Bay trade
2nd in 2018 and 2019

Toronto trade
Martin retain 25%
Arizona trade
7th in 2018

Vancouver trade
Gudbranson
Toronto trade
Bracco and Niellson

11 Feb 2018 04:38:36
Some not bad. Don’t see why arizona would pay to get Matt martin, even at 25% retained. I’d do the soshnikov one for sure, but think there might be a better offer for green. Also I think Nielsen and Bracco is an overpayment for sure for Gudbranson. I’d say that’s a bettter package than Sosh and a 2nd but green is far better than Gud. Also don’t need 2 RHD coming in.

11 Feb 2018 04:53:50
In my opinion nash could get a better return, but the rest sound close.

11 Feb 2018 14:08:37
Even though that’s probably Greens value, I’m certain Detroit will get more for Green

I would assume any package involving Nash will have a 1st round pick coming back to the Rangers

Hjalmarsson was had for far less last season and hasn’t played nearly as well this year. However given the history of past deadlines, this one seems pretty likely.

If Toronto found a way to not retain salary on a $7M Phaneuf, I’m sure they can find a way to trade $2.5 without retention. I also don’t think the Leafs would punish Martin by sending him to the desert. Although he’s overpaid, he’s done nothing but treat the Leafs with respect and has provided them valuable leadership in the past couple seasons. For that reason I see the Leafs trying to find a much better home for him rather than Arizona.

No chance Toronto makes that trade. Gudbranson is just a younger version of Polak and he makes 3.5M per year. I wouldn’t trade anything more than a 4th round pick for him. Plenty other options available.

11 Feb 2018 21:52:37
Terrible offer. Why would Toronto trade Martin for a 7th and over payment for green. Sosh is a real Player and a keeper to replace Komorov. Hope the Leafs stand pat. Next season is the one.

10 Feb 2018 23:37:00
Tampa Bay: Stephans, Foote

Mtl: Patches

Fair price for a top line winger? And those two teams aren't scared of making deals

11 Feb 2018 03:13:29
I think Foote is in Tampa long term plan and Tampa won’t have the money to resign Patches.

11 Feb 2018 04:27:36
Tampa doesn't need Patches. They are going to use their big spending on a D man.

07 Feb 2018 17:43:23
Tampa radysh. 2 1 rd pick cal foote ryan callahan coburn 2 seconds

Ottawa karlson stone

07 Feb 2018 17:59:13
Neither Callahan or Coburn will waive NTC for Ottawa. And i'm not sure tampa would give up 2 of their top prospects and both 1sts and seconds for next two years. Maybe more likely if picks are staggered a bit.

07 Feb 2018 19:38:33
No chance Ottawa has a team with Callahan Phaneuf Coburn and Ryan on the books.

07 Feb 2018 20:57:12
A lot of quantity for quality in this proposal lol.

07 Feb 2018 21:07:46
Brock just stop man.

07 Feb 2018 22:09:34
Terrible for Ottawa. That doesn't even Karlsson with the two cap dumps. SMh.

07 Feb 2018 23:07:46
Brock you should be more relevant with your proposals.

08 Feb 2018 04:22:59
Also sens owner says he’s going to cut down payroll which is why all this Karlsson stuff is going on (along with Karlsson saying he wants what he’s worth) . So if a guy isn’t willing to pay fair value for his own superstar, why is he going to pay millions of dollars for other teams bottom 6 forwards and depth D?!

08 Feb 2018 05:11:25
Cause karlson well probably get 11 million a season over next 8 years and and between 6 and 7 for stone long term coburn a free agent after next year and can be bought out there combined sallary is 8.9 well there's would 18 19.

08 Feb 2018 08:48:41
OTT wouldn't do it. It's hefty price to pay for TB, but losing Callahan in the same deal would make i worth it. If at all, TB should try getting Karlsson alone, that will be expensive enough. No need to make it more complicated by throwing Stone in there.

A potential deal would prolly be build around Koekkoek (OTT has shown interest in him), Johnson (if they want a roster player, otherwise, they get one more top prospect), and 1 of (2 if TJ isn't involved) Howden, Stephens, Cirelli, Hajek, Foote, Raddysh, Katchouk + 1st.

08 Feb 2018 16:25:29
That is so terrible.

08 Feb 2018 19:02:02
They can get more for EK65 than this. The Sens just have to get rid of Phaneuf, Burrows, Ryan, Smith, Anderson and Condon via trades or whatever way is best. then rest EK65 and Stone for a bit and think of next season. They will however have to trade him before the end of next year because they won't be able to afford 12 to 14 Million. Never trade within the conference.

09 Feb 2018 11:12:01
Ottawa laughs taps you on the shoulder wishes you well in your future endeavours and says next please lol.

06 Feb 2018 10:19:48
Tampa goes all out for this year and possibly next year so here’s 2 trades to help them out

Trade 1

Tampa: Callahan (cap dump) . Foote

Van: Ben Hutton

Trade 2

Ott: Erik Karlsson

Tampa: 2018 first, 2019 first, 2018 2nd, Raddysh, howden, Koekkoek

Yes Tampa gives up a lot of their future but they are in win now mode and this roster can compete for the next 5 years (if healthy) . Dumping Callahan gives them an extra 5.8 mil freed up to resign both Karlsson and kucherov in 2 years and before anyone says those 2 guys will command 10 mil plus just remember the tax rate in Florida is a lot lower which is why stamkos signed for only 8.5 and Tampa is stamkos’s team so Yzerman will find a way to resign Karlsson and kucherov at around the 8 million dollar range.

06 Feb 2018 12:12:51
foote >> hutton
cap dump = freed salary to sign players
i don't think foote is worth the cap dump.

06 Feb 2018 19:02:09
Insulting to ottawa, need atleast one decent roster player with that lightning package to even get the sens to listen. i'm thinking hedman or sergachev to get the convo started, along with the prospects and picks. you keep koekkoek.

09 Feb 2018 11:12:05
Wow so you're saying Ottawa gets pick #30 - 2018, 60th 2018, 30th - 2019, + Raddysh, Howden and Koekkoek. Too funny

TB adds Callaghan and Ott only sends Karlsson not Stone.

I think Ottawa will keep both instead. Ottawa only needs to rest Karlsson until next year as he is still injured and it shows.

If they trade Karlsson he should go West somewhere.

Either you hate Ottawa or you love Tampa Bay.

04 Feb 2018 00:32:47
I have some trade idea and would like hear your thoughts.

Trade #1
Montreal trade
Patches
Calgary trade
Bennett and 2018 1st

Trade #2
NYI trade
Taveras
Tampa Bay trade
Foote, Johnson, 2018 1st and 2nd

Trade #3
Buffalo Trade
Kane
Vancouver trade
Virtanen and 2nd in 2018

Trade #4
Toronto trade
Jvr 2nd in 2018
Carolina
2018 1st, Roy and Fluery.

04 Feb 2018 02:44:53
If islanders didn’t think they’d be able to re sign taveres I think that package wouldn’t be too far off, but it doesn’t sound like they are going to trade him I don’t see the need for Vancouver to trade away a youngish asset for Kane if they aren’t making the playoffs, they could have him for nothing in free agency. Think that’s a overpayment from Carolina for JVR, he’s a pending free agent said that’s a lot to give up for a rental if they don’t make the playoffs. I guess if they really think they can make it and make it past the first round then maybe, but they’re clearly not contenders so if anything they’d want their young guys to get playoff experience like the leafs last year. Also if they’re going to trade away that package I’d think they’d want a centerman coming back.

04 Feb 2018 03:03:46
Vancouver is so far out why would they trade for a UFA rental? They would just try to sign E. Kane in the off season without giving an assets away for nothing.

I don't see Carolina giving up their 1st for that. They are just outside and I just don't see them trading their first for a rental with new ownership, I think they keep the pick and try to get better for years to come not right now. JVR isn't the difference in them making a deep run or not they just aren't that good of a team right now.

25 Jan 2018 21:46:04
Saw this on several sources, Tampa Bay got calls on Slater Koekkoek from many teams. They said Ottawa and Boston were the most interested. I still think he can turn into a solid 2way top4 D (puts up solid numbers, 25GP,8P while just playing 11 min a night) , but not on the Lightning because they already have Hedman and Sergachev as their LHD. I think the Lightning would want a young dman back preferably a RH one. When Hedman is healthy again i think he could be available. So i'm just trying to predict 2 possible deals for him:

OTT: Koekkoek
TBL: Ceci

BOS: Koekkoek
TBL: Zboril

Idk, Tampa adds a little on both probaly but as a base maybe. I know Zboril is LH but didn't find any RHD on Boston that would fit into a deal like this. Are these maybe close or could you see another team being interested in Koekkoek?

25 Jan 2018 22:15:20
Lol Koekkoek will be a depth defense
He's worth as best as a guy like Kapanen.

26 Jan 2018 05:18:43
I don't think Koekkoek is going to be a depth guy. I think he will be/ already is a 3rd pair guy that could step into top 4 if needed due to injury. Obviously his trade value is low right now since Cooper has an aversion to playing him. He was good in minors last year and shown glimpses this year. doesn't get either of those guys though they won't get his true value in a trade.

23 Jan 2018 21:35:23
Tampa goes all out this year to win the cup

Van: both Sedins @50% retained

Tampa: Callahan (cap dump), Cal Foote, Taylor raddysh and a first round pick

Sedins get their shot at the cup and Tampa has the most loaded top 9 in the nhl.

23 Jan 2018 23:00:26
wooah. No from TBL.

22 Jan 2018 19:02:00
Since Tampa is one of the worst faceoff percentage teams, heading into playoffs they definitely need to improve it.
Might as well acquire Vermette just like every other team making a run lol, not to mention it’s very possible Anaheim deals him before the deadline.

TB: 2nd (or even 3rd tbh)
Ducks: Vermette

He’s 34 and not the same player as he was when he was traded for a player and a 1st back when he got traded to Chicago so I think Tampa is willing to pay this price to improve their faceoff percentage, as well as add more playoff experience to the roster. Thoughts?

22 Jan 2018 19:35:25
Makes sense. Win draws in all situations and can still fly. Good penalty killer too with that speed and smarts.

22 Jan 2018 19:45:58
Faceoffs are over rated. Tampa needs to be better but if you can win face offs and not do anything else your a liability.

22 Jan 2018 19:55:45
Jbs are you calling him a liability? Lol are you for real.

22 Jan 2018 21:02:13
Face offs are over rated? I guess so is puck possession.

23 Jan 2018 00:39:50
Hey guys scoring goals and winni g games is overrated.

23 Jan 2018 01:14:38
No. But i said if all you can do is win face offs there isn't a spot for you on a team. Still need to be able to play offense and defense (and Vermette hasn't scored much in a few years now) . Its kinda funny if you think faceoffs are extremely important but look at standings last few years. Canes Sens Panthers Sabres currently all top 10 in faceoff %. Avalanche Canes Flyers Red Wings Canucks all top 10 last year, first 3 were top 5. Edmonton Chicago and Pitt were bottom 3. Faceoff % does not correlate to success and when you dig into it it doesn't even drive possession the way you would think. Look at the numbers.

23 Jan 2018 06:08:05
It sounds like you’ve already looked at the #’s. I wonder why they try and win the face off then? They should just give it to the other team. You have to see how ridiculous that sounds.

23 Jan 2018 11:48:04
Are you for real Leafs? Did i say just give em away? No. Did i say they're meaningless? Also no. I said they are over rated and i have the evidence to prove it. Its not an end all be all stat and you don't need to be great in the face off dot to win games. The difference between first and last in face off% can be as little as 5% and if your players are good at other things you make it up quite easily. 3 of last years top 5 faceoff% and 5 of top 19 finished in bottom 12 while a bottom 3 team won the cup i don't see how its so ridiculous and absurd to say that they are overrated. It doesn't drive possession the way you would think as some top possession teams (like Tampa) don't win them while low possession teams (last years Avs) lead the league. It doesn't have a huge impact on goals or wins. Rather win them than not but they're impact is often overstated i don't know how its so "ridiculous" and "absurd" to see the direct impact of being a team that's great in the dot and one that's terrible (5/ 100 faceoff difference) doesn't impact the result a lot.

23 Jan 2018 11:56:53
Like give me something to go with other then "thats ridiculous". I realize its counter intuitive. that's why I've backed up my stance with fact and stats. And i never said they're negative or give them away like you seem to be quoting to me i just said they're overrated and the impact is not as big as people think. You triggered me haha.

23 Jan 2018 21:23:06
I guess I mean as a player. Maybe your stats back up teams can win being weak in the the face off circle. However, having 1-2 guys that can win the face off is huge in many aspect of the game. You win the face off on the PK, you kill 30 seconds. You win the draw on the PP, you get a chance to set up. You win a draw late in the game and you close out a game. I guess that is why it is sometimes such a small % that separate the good teams from the bad in face offs, because it may be 1 player that is the difference. I wasn’t saying you need 4 centerman that are good but every GM in the league would like to have 1-2 guys you can rely on. Didn’t mean to trigger you.

19 Jan 2018 04:43:25
TB- pacioretty
MTL-namestnikov, coburn, 1st round pick


Logic- namestikov has 35 points in 45 games this season and is a young winger which Montreal needs, coburn gives immediatel defensive depth and the 1st round pick won't be too good if it was a top 15 it wouldn't be worth it for Tampa I expect them to make 3rd round and with this trade win the cup, they would spread out the talent but power play line pacioretty-stamkos-kucherov.

19 Jan 2018 05:14:17
But Tampas main weakness is defensive play and lose an every day guy in Coburn. Not to mention Namestnikov has a lot of chemistry with Stamkos and Kucherov. i'm not sure this actually makes Tampa better today as a team.

19 Jan 2018 05:31:35
Tampa doesn't really have a weakness they got hedman and sutr for big defencemen.

19 Jan 2018 08:18:38
Maybe habs can add a defender back in the deal like:

Pacioretty, Benn for Namestnikov, Coburn and 1st round pick.

Otherwise i like it but if D is a weakness than that would be enticing for Tampa.

19 Jan 2018 12:33:07
You know Sustr sucks right. Like he's a terrible D man. Hedmans hurt and the reason they're on a skid is because their defence has been awful most the year and Vasi cooled off a bit. They have 2-3 legit top 4 D when everyone is healthy with Coburn as a guy that can step up.

19 Jan 2018 13:42:51
Namestnikov has great chemistry with Stamkos and Kuch. Coburn and Girardi stabilize that D core. I don't think they risk this trade to bring in Pacioretty. Maybe a 1st and a prospect and then they don't break all what's clearly working up.

19 Jan 2018 13:51:14
So yup do you think a 1st + Point ? Or a lower prospect

19 Jan 2018 13:57:23
Flamers at this point Point isn't a prospect, he's a young established player. They don't add a fist to him for Patches. I wouldn't do point for Patches straight up right now tbh.

19 Jan 2018 13:58:42
I would happily give a first Sustr and any prospect not named Foote Raddysh or Katchouk really. Howden borderline.

19 Jan 2018 14:24:47
I think Point has more value that Nam because of position.
They are probably keeping both because of age. Would let go of guys like Johnsn, Palat, Killorn before they think of Point and Nam. Saying that, I don't think they are really interested in Patches as well. Unless one of Johnson kill or not palate are going the other way and I bet
Montreal has no interest in that. Remember, Yzerman is a magical wizard. Lol.

10 Jan 2018 00:40:42
To Tampa
Green

To Detroit
Howden
2018 1st

10 Jan 2018 01:22:30
tampa doesn't have anywhere near enough cap room.

10 Jan 2018 04:18:56
Sure they do, more than enough deadline space for him. Then the Wings will flip that bottom 4 pick to Montreal for 2 seconds in 2018. That's my crystal ball guess for the draft.

10 Jan 2018 04:36:42
Ive heard Tampa is projected to be able to add up to 9 mill in contracts at the deadline.

10 Jan 2018 04:54:18
seems like a waste to use all their deadline space on green; could probably get a little more bang for their buck.

10 Jan 2018 10:25:02
TB has more than enough space to add him at the deadline. With that being said, there is literally no way TB is that stupid. Howden is projected to be a good 2/ 3 two-way C and a 1st? TB already has 8 NHL defensemen and regularly scratches 1 or 2 of them.

10 Jan 2018 12:06:06
Ya one of their top prospects and a 1st seems a little heavy. As for adding Green he seems exactly like the type of player they need. Right handed puck moving D. Also assuming they don't move anyone else (theyd likely need to move Sustr in that deal) theyd have 3 mill left for a third line winger.

10 Jan 2018 00:19:39
NOTE: this happens over the offseason/ next season

to Arizona
Callahan

to Tampa
Martinook

Arizona gets another battle tested veteran, which is clearly something they are trying to amass (see Hjalmarsson and Stepan) and Tampa gets a cheaper, similarly productive player and a massive amount of cap relief, which they will desperately need for players like Koekkoek, Sustr, Namestnikov, even Kucherov in 2 years.

10 Jan 2018 02:30:53
AZ taking a bad contract. They need to get more.

10 Jan 2018 02:39:09
I believe Tampa would need to add. They can't give that contract away.

10 Jan 2018 04:53:33
martinook is having a better season, statistically, while playing on arizona. maybe they give rieder instead?

10 Jan 2018 07:33:35
Tampa bay at ther very least well have to give a 1 rd pick to get ride of challahan.

10 Jan 2018 10:13:26
Tampa adds. Also they aren't keeping Sustr especially at a raise.

10 Jan 2018 10:14:01
Tampa adds. Callahan has negative value.

10 Jan 2018 10:25:37
TB would need to send a prospect or pick as sweetener I guess.

10 Jan 2018 12:08:50
High i'm going to ask again. because you never answer and maintain your position. Why would Tampa trade a first + to dump Callahan when they are currently sitting on 4 mill cap space, have other contracts expiring in time to give current players raises and the depth to replace departures from within? If they end up needing a little extra they can buy him out after next season.

10 Jan 2018 16:39:44
Cause bayout don't work all the time like if you have front loaded contract like challahan if they buy him out they well have to still pay 4 mill a year for the next 3 year its like how lawson cruise got traded for nathan horton.

10 Jan 2018 19:08:17
High the buyout calculator on cap friendly is a thing of beauty. Cap hit remains at like 1.5 mill for the buyout. And when will you get it they don't need the space bad enough to do these trades and a 1st and top prospect is a lot more than Crouse. Crouse wasnt for Horton either it was for Bolland.

10 Jan 2018 19:17:22
Lawson crouse was traded WITH Dave Bolland, not FOR Nathan Horton lol.

11 Jan 2018 05:09:21
However @jbs I wouldn’t say a 1st or a top prospect is worth a lot more than Lawson Crouse. Because when that trade was made he was a very recent top 5 pick, which makes him a first round top prospect lol now the fact that he hasn’t become a star yet is irrelevant to the trade, it’s what he was at the time. The pick or top prospect HiGH247 says you need to add may never turn out either, but you still value them that way when you’re trading it.

09 Jan 2018 22:33:31
If i was jim benning i would try to unload all my assest

Canucks: dahlen ben hutton 2 rd pick eriksson

Carolina: haydne fluery

Canucks: tanev vanek grunland or gadjovich 2 rd pick
Nashville fabbro Tolvanen

Canucks: edler sutter canuck retain 3m m of edler contact next year and .8 million a year of sutter contract freeing up 3 m in cap for

Tampa: Callahan coburn foote 2rd pck

09 Jan 2018 23:34:03
Not trading Dahlen Gadjovich or our 2nds were good with drafting 2nd round picka.

10 Jan 2018 00:15:15
Don’t think there’s enough quality going to Nashville. I wouldn’t say that Tanev is a upgrade on any of the top 4 defence that they already have and yes Vanek is having a decent year but he’s getting old and isn’t exactly known for his playoff contribution. Don’t know much about gadjovich but I do know that fabbro is a really good defence prospect who is controllable for a bunch more years and will fit nicely into their top 4 when guys like ekholm or Ellis become ufa and Nashville can’t keep both. Tolvanen looks like the steal of last years draft, could even play this year once the lol season is over. In my opinion Nashville gives up 2 really good future pieces to get players that in my opinion aren’t going to put them over the top.

10 Jan 2018 00:31:44
lol ok now this is getting stupid these are both so unbelievable it hurts that you actually thought this was a good idea and please don’t comment trying to justify. This is brutal and I hope you figure it out soon lol.

10 Jan 2018 00:59:21
Your stick with Eriksson and that contract.

10 Jan 2018 01:00:40
Nashville doesn't need Tanev, stop trying to trade him there for heir top prospects.
They aren't giving you Fabbro and Tolvanen for that.

10 Jan 2018 01:54:49
Carolina has like 20 million in cap space lol they could take it and be fine lol well picking up a good prospect if nashville gets any of there top four dman injury then there not going to be so deep then guys would be playing 25 30 mins a night what well burn them out this well keep the top four around 22 min a night.

10 Jan 2018 04:40:48
Man. Tampa isn't giving up foote and a high pick to save 3 mill. Just stop.

10 Jan 2018 07:40:01
If they wanna keep Namestnikov, Vladislav and point or they can keep 2 player that's not play like they should be in the nhl and on top of that there getting a big dman upgrade and a even bigger upgrade on the wing or center.

10 Jan 2018 12:27:31
Coburn isn't as bad as your making him out to be. Tampa has about 2 mill cap space for next year right now. Sustr and Kunitz free up 4 more while being easily replaced from within (Erne/ Cirelli/ Thomas/ Cernal/ Masin) . Also 225k from Condras buried deal. So that's roughly 6 mill. Then the cap is projected to go up as much as 5 mill. So there's 11 mill for raises to Namestnikov next year. Season after that Stralman Coburn and Girardi deals done freeing up about 11 mill. that's when Kuch and Point need deals. Callahan will be in the last year of his deal and could be bought out to save another 3.5 mill if needed. Vasi needs a deal year after that. They aren't in as big of a hole as you think especially right now.

10 Jan 2018 20:20:11
Yeah this at least the third attempt of tanev to Nashville. There’s like 27-28 out of 31 teams that need some kind of upgrade in their top 4D. Why keep forcing him to one ofthe 5 or 6 who definitely do not? Lol

Pick someone, pick anyone other than like Nashville, anaheim, stlouis, Carolina.

09 Jan 2018 18:06:26
If Philadelphia drops off and Simmonds ($3.975MM through 2018-19) is available at the deadline. The Flyers may not be able to afford him with Provorov, Konecny, and Sanheim along with roster spots for prospects like Frost, Allison etc. Simmonds gives a solid 2nd line goal scoring threat, PP producer, character, and toughness on a great contract.

Toronto: Lindgren, 2018 1st
Flyers: Simmonds

Tampa Bay: Katchouk, Raddysh, 2018 3rd
Flyers: Simmonds (50% retained)

Nashville: Fabbro or Tolvanen, 2018 1st
Flyers: Simmonds

09 Jan 2018 18:16:47
I’m not aware who Lindgren is, so maybe this is why I think this, but I think the Tampa and the Nashville trades are way way more than the leafs one.
However if Tampa goes all in, Simmonds at 50% retained wow hard to not accept that.

09 Jan 2018 18:34:46
Toronto says no, as good as Simmonds is come time to renew his contract they won’t be able to afford him, also they need the puck moving right handed d man more than another right winger. Nashville also gets hosed, fabbro is a really good prospect and Tolvanen could be the steal of last years draft and a first. granted the first will be fairly low but stillNashville gives up way too much!

09 Jan 2018 18:51:04
It was Fabbro or Tolvanen but still agree with you mertle.

09 Jan 2018 19:26:25
McJesus: I tried to balance all of the trades. Lindgren is a R defenceman selected 17th overall last year.

Mertle: Wayne Simmonds is not Thomas Vanek or some other overpriced deadline clown on a UFA. He has one year left on a great contract and an excellent player to boot. It was Fabbro or Tolvanen, not both. 1 st and an A prospect is reasonable for Simmonds. Quality for quality. I actually think Hextall could ask for a bit more on each.

09 Jan 2018 20:03:19
It’s liljegren, and that’s probably fair value but makes no sense. Leafs have tons of forwards who can produce, already going to lose a big LW 30 goal man in JVR because we probably can’t afford him. If philly can’t afford him because of provorov and koneckny, what chance do leafs (Matthews, marner, nylander) Tampa (kucherov, vasilevsky) have of signing him? And teams like those going forward with guys going to get massive raises internally can’t justify giving up multiple good young cheap assets for him to walk in a year.

09 Jan 2018 20:16:00
Lindgren with Habs and Simmonds not worth their first alone.

09 Jan 2018 20:26:43
Shiza. I even looked up his name and draft ranking. My bad.

Unbiased Jim: you're correct that Toronto may not be able to afford him just like the Flyers, however, the key difference is that Toronto can actually have a shot at winning a Cup in the next two playoffs. The last time I checked, Komarov is pencilled in at 2 RW and Simmonds would be a big upgrade. Ultimately, out of the 3 teams I proposed, Toronto makes less sense than Nashville and Tampa Bay, but still logical.

09 Jan 2018 20:42:14
I dunno about both Katchouk and Raddysh. Both are great prospects. Maybe one of them and a first.

09 Jan 2018 22:25:16
My bad, didn’t catch the “or” in the Nashville trade. I agree that Simmonds is a really good player I still think it’s too much for a year and a half of him. I also think that Nashville is playing good hockey, they have a good group and sometimes it’s not a good idea to mess with team chemistry during the season. Young promising d man and centerman are more valuable than wingers. that’s just my opinion tho.

09 Jan 2018 23:47:05
I like these trades way too much so I'm going to assume they are all in favour of the Flyers.

10 Jan 2018 00:34:02
Okay yeah his name was not spelt right so I had no idea lol but ok makes more sense now.

10 Jan 2018 05:23:32
I’d want to replace Lindgren with Kappy or Connor brown Toronto needs him in the system.

10 Jan 2018 21:03:12
Komarov is only that high in the lineup because he’s kadris winger and kadris line shuts down every top line. If they’re looking for more goal scoring they have marner and nylander are clearly above komarov on the depth chart at RW, and Connor Brown scored 20 goals last year playing bottom 6 minutes and is on his way to 18+ again. That’s an option. Not trying to pick on your trade or analysis, just goal scoring and wing depth is not leafs issue at all.

06 Jan 2018 17:23:22
Buffalo: E.Kane

Tampa: Ryan Callahan,Libnor Hajek,1st rd 2018 and 2nd 2019

Buffalo- Gets picks to help their rebuild and they have the cap to absorb Callahan's contract. Libnor Hajek is compensation for taking Callahan's contract

Tampa: Dumps Callahan and gets an elite LW to create the best line in the NHL of 3 potential 40 + goal scorers Kane-Stamkos-Kucherov

Montreal:1st rd 2019 and 2nd rd 2018

Buffalo:Sam Rienhart

Montreal- takes a chance on a struggling player with lots of potential on pace for 23 points.

Buffalo- gets back a nice haul for a player who wasn't fitting in their system.

06 Jan 2018 20:34:09
The Tampa one is fair, other is bad for Montreal because I expect them to suck next year.

06 Jan 2018 20:45:17
Tampa already has the best line in the league Namestnikov-Stamkos-Kucherov. Kane is in the last year of his deal. I wouldn't be willing to give up a first second and top prospect for a half season of Kane. I've already made my opinion of giving good assets to dump callahan know. Not worth it they don't need the space that bad.

06 Jan 2018 23:20:30
My thoughts on the Montreal trade is that they retool this year and draft a top prospect. Rienhart will help them for a playoff push next year and has 1st line potential. As for the Tampa trade Kane is an HUGE upgrade on Namestankov and the picks are late.

07 Jan 2018 05:10:09
Still wouldn't do it even if picks are late. Bot going to put myself in a position to not draft till the 3rd round for a rental. Namestnikov plays his best when with these two better than anyone else they tried not even close. It is not a huge upgrade with how he's playing look at the numbers not to mention Kanes off the ice issues.

07 Jan 2018 05:22:27
Also Kane has only topped 40 points twice in the past 6 years and barely and were calling him a 40 goal guy and huge upgrade over Namestnikov? i'm terms of offensive production they aren't that far off and Namestnikov never really got a chance in top 6 till now players like him get about a first at the deadline. Not a first second and top prospect and like i said dumping callahan contract not worth the additional second and Hajek.

07 Jan 2018 10:10:58
Kane might be the better player in an isolated world, but Namestnikov has great chemistry with Kuch and Stamkos. No one guarantees Kane will come close to that.
I agree, it's too much too give up for half a year of Kane. If they could somehow make a sign and trade with a reasonable contract for Kane (which I doubt), I might change my opinion, tho.

05 Jan 2018 03:43:04
TBL: Tyler Johnson (5mil), Libor Hajek, Adam Erne, 2018 1st round pick, and 2020 2nd round pick

VGK: David Perron (3.75 mil), Erik Haula (2.75 mil), and 2019 3rd round pick.

Why Tampa does this: Johnson's contract is really going to hurt Tampa considering the fact that Point is playing unreal and supplanted Johnson as the 2nd line centre with Johnson on RW. Perron has actually outscored Johnson in less games (31 points in 32 games vs 29 points in 38 games) and is on the last year of his deal. Haula gives this team a 3rd line centre that they could really use, and Haula has been fantastic this season (27 points) with 3 years left at a reasonable price of 2.75 mil.

Why Vegas does it: Yes the team recently resigned Haula but I believe this could be good for the Knights as they get a good player for the future in Johnson who can play centre or wing and has a lot of term left on his deal. He can be a permanant piece of this team's future and can be good veteran and a fan favourite as he is pretty popular among Lightning fans (or at least was) . Hajek is a good two way d-man that Tampa had traded up for to get. He's a great skater with solid size and physicality and his offence hasn't improved this season in the WHL. Adam Erne seems like he can be a 3rd or 4th line winger in the future, but for a young team like the Knights adding a lot of prospects and picks along with great veteran leadership can never hurt.

05 Jan 2018 09:33:48
Why would TB do this? Does not really make sense for me. Johnson is performing pretty good for his current price tag. 5m for a good two-way player putting up ~0.8 points per game after a slow start seems fair to me. So he is a worthy piece of his own, especially for a franchise like Vegas that needs skill (I know they've been doing great so far, but they are still not a very skilled team) . So there's really no reason at all to treat Johnson like a cap dump and add so many pieces to this deal. A quality D prospect currently excelling for the Czechs at the WJC, a solid middle 6 winger in Erne and a 1st and a 2nd? Geez.

05 Jan 2018 17:15:34
Ya that's way too much from Tampa. Why treat Johnson like a dump? Given current cap situation they're fine if cap increases like projected and if they decide to move Johnson before NTC kicks in i think they'll be able to get value for him not add big pieces just to dump the deal. Johnsons deal looking like less of an issue than when he signed want to get tampa to give assets for a dump were talking Callahan and Killorn.

30 Dec 2017 22:05:59
Canucks edler vanek canuck retain 2 million next year off elder

Tampa Cole Foote 1 rd pick coburn challhan and a 2 if Tampa win the cup

Tampa up grades there d and get another 20 25 goal scorer and she'd some cap for next year for all the rfa

30 Dec 2017 23:30:07
Tampas in pretty decent shape cap wise for next year that's not worth giving up Foote let alone an additional 1st.

30 Dec 2017 23:30:38
Just to get ride of Challhan bad contract they would have to give up a top prospects or a first rd pick then they get d upgrade and and vanek.

31 Dec 2017 00:08:29
You wrote edler in 2 different ways, you butchered callahan's name, and its not cole Foote, its Cal Foote and its written shed not she'd. How old are you btw. If you're too young, you shouldn't be writting any rumours buddy

31 Dec 2017 00:32:06
Hey he’s just always baked that’s why.

31 Dec 2017 01:06:08
He really is high 24/ 7.
No thought put into any proposal.

31 Dec 2017 06:21:02
@crazyattack His offers are way off. But the ‘elder’ and ‘she’d’ is an auto correct mistake that happens to a lot of guys. But calling out his spelling and grammar and then spelling ‘writing’ as ‘writting’ I’m the same post is just ironic comedy at it purest. Because auto correct would tell you that was wrong and you still pulled it off lol.

31 Dec 2017 06:29:53
Man they can just buy out Callahan and save what they need while keeping their top prospects. Its not hard. Vanek hasn't been very good really since leaving Buffalo. Edler isn't some huge upgrade over Coburn better sure but its not some giant improvement.

31 Dec 2017 06:51:52
Yeah you are not going to get Foote for swapping Vancouver's garbage for Tampa's garbage.

31 Dec 2017 19:36:01
If they buy him out they well only get 1 million dollars in buy out relief and coburn not worth 3.85 million a season next year that would give them an extra 5.8 million in cap there some good free age out they could sign maybe they sign Johnny t next year lol.

31 Dec 2017 19:40:08
Vanek doing great in Vancouver.

 
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