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20 Sep 2018 14:36:26
3-way Deal
To SJ:
Brown, leafs 2021 2nd, Durzi
To Anaheim:
Braun, Carrick, leafs 2019 1st, Leivo, Rosen
To Leafs;
Sharks 2021 3rd, Montour

Anaheim gets better defensive depth (which they need), leafs get their defenceman, and Sharks get a top 9 forward a pick and a good prospect to help replace the depth and prospects they traded to Ottawa

themostleaf33

1.) 20 Sep 2018 16:15:11
Anaheim gets worse defensively dude.


2.) 20 Sep 2018 17:04:18
I know Montour is supposed to be good, looks impressive, and if I were Ducks, I wouldn’t give him away without a big overpayment. But on the flip side, is he so proven and such a sure thing star that he’s worth leafs giving up Connor Brown, Connor Carrick, Sean Durzi, Josh Leivo, Calle Rosen a 1st and a 2nd? Lol I get he’s probably going to be far better than any of them. But leafs need to keep a stream of cheap youth coming up for cap reasons. That’s trading a lot of guys that could play a role for them for one guy. And before I hear how it’s biased and it’s quantity over quality, I agree, which is why I started by saying I doubt ducks do it either.


3.) 20 Sep 2018 17:17:47
The point of the ducks making this trade is to improve their depth at defence, I don’t think having Schene on your top 6 is the way to go, especially not when you could get a guy like Carrick with a low contract as well to play there
Also Braun isn’t bad, he can replace Montour on the top 4 and playing with Fowler or Lindholm, he should be very solid, so Anaheim definetly recieves quality there
Rosen can replace Peterson in a year or so
I think your overvaluing Montour here, he is a good defenceman but if you compare Gardiner to him, it’s very similar, just that one is a righty so it bumps him up a bit, as yourself, would you take that deal for Gardiner?


4.) 20 Sep 2018 20:00:04
Well there’s a maximum contract limit for each team also, so ducks losing one player and adding 4 also handcuffs them for future moves. All these things would have to be considered, it’s not just what the in and out is today but how it affects the team and the plan going forward. Durzi is a long shot player, undrafted last year then grabbed late 2nd round of this draft, so is he someone you would want to take if that roster spot being filled prevents you from adding someone of significance at the deadline this season?! That’s the problem with the quantity rather than quality proposals. got to think the ducks had at least 9 chances to draft him over 2 years. How much do they value that guy?!


5.) 20 Sep 2018 20:21:25
2 1sts, 2nd And Brown for Montour? That’s almost what Karlsson got.


6.) 20 Sep 2018 20:55:21
Problem is, this si super unrelaistic. Where have three team trades happened with this many moving parts, especially with the addition of two div rivals trading with each other.

For the Leafs, stick to one or the other, don't try this three team stuff because itll never happen unless its an extremely major deal.

Additionally, your logic is flawd for the Ducks. Montour > Braun, and Carrick and Rosen are just fillers. Theyd rather just keep Schenn and Pettersson and Sustr.

And should the Leads really trade all of those parts? Especially for another offensive dman?


 

 

16 Sep 2018 15:35:48
Well, the Nylander rumours are looking like they may actually be true, as a leaf fan I'm starting to get worried, so I thought of a solution for both the leafs RD problem and who should replace Nylander at the same time

3-way trade
To Columbus:
Gardiner (5 year extension), Nylander, Tevor Moore
To Anaheim:
Savard, Carrick, 2020 2nd-leafs, Milano
To Leafs:
Panarin (two year extension), Montour

Gardiner=Milano, Savard
Nylander, Moore=Panarin

If any of you think Gardiner isn't worth anything, look at the Karlsson trade, Gardiner was 10 points behind the guy last year and had A BAD GAME that everyone is crapping on him about, you can't judge a guy because of one game, with an extension he is probably worth like Nazem Kadri, or even a bit more then that because he is someone that the bluejackets need, they shouldn't be relying on Ryan Murray to play well on the top 4, because I hate to break it to you Jackets fans, but he isn't the next Morgan Reilly, you hold him at a way higher standard then he is, he is at MOST a Boone Jenner trade comparison and is a top 6 defenceman and no higher.
Jake Gardiner-Bad game
Ryan Murray-Bad season
Who would you rather have on your top 4?

Panarin has an extension so leafs can then trade him for a younger guy like De Brincat because Panarin has been quoted saying that he would highly consider going back to Chicago short term, and 2 years there could make him open his eyes and realize that he shouldn't go to a rebuilding NYR and instead sign with a contender

themostleaf33

1.) 16 Sep 2018 17:10:40
Leafs aren’t running away with Panarin and Montour for what their giving up lol.


2.) 16 Sep 2018 17:31:46
Look, Nylander will resign with the Leafs. Toronto will not trade Nylander for Panarin, a player that will command more than Nylander on a long term deal. I suspect that Nylander will sign for no more than between US$6.5 million and US$7 million per on an 8 yr deal. No way Nylander gets US$8 million per on a long term deal as per internet reports.


3.) 16 Sep 2018 17:57:40
I really don’t think Nylander has any leverage. Toronto has a couple wingers that can play with Matthews. If he holds out and let’s say Kapanen starts producing on that line. Nylander’s value will go down and he might just lose his spot. He doesn’t seem like the player that will try to fight his way from the fourth line back to the second.


4.) 16 Sep 2018 21:06:02
Little Leafs biased eh? Make out like bandits.


5.) 16 Sep 2018 21:24:34
Look, Nylander is a guy who should get 6.5-7 mill over 8 years, but obviously that is not what is going to happen, he wants 30% more then the leafs are willing to offer him, so i don't see that happening any time soon

Out of camp and into pre-season, Nylander will not play, maybe even into the regular season. The leafs are going to see if they need him, and if they don't he is going to be traded for a better winger, and a defenceman, this deal works out perfectly for Columbus because they get something back that can help them in the playoffs, I may have offered more then I should've for Panarin, there is no denying these offers help all the teams involved

Anaheim gets better defensive depth which they need, and a young forward they can also use, plus a second round pick to sweeten the deal. Savard can easily replace Montour on the top 4 while Carrick can replace Scene on Anaheim's top 6 defence, which they could really use, especially with how low his contract is.

Columbus gets a winger who they can sign long term, which is something they would absolutely love to get back for Panarin. Gardiner as I explained before would be an awesome defenceman to have an one that can play top 4 minutes instead of Murray. The only thing I can see happening in that trade is maybe the leafs add a pick to sweeten it, but other then that it looks good to me

The leafs get their defenceman to play with Reilly, while they also get someone to replace Nylander, and who they can trade later on to reclaim a younger but still talented player, like DeBrincat, Panarin may want to go back to Chicago anyway so that may work out perfectly.


6.) 16 Sep 2018 22:03:15
I don't recall the last time Gardiner won the Norris, comparing him with Karlsson is laughable.


7.) 17 Sep 2018 03:19:29
Gardiner is not Karlsson I know, but last year he was better then Morgan Reilly, he had the same amount of points as Reilly and a better +/ - while playing with Nikita Zaitsev, who wasn’t as solid last year and who was worse then Ron Hainsey
You can say Reilly played less games, but he was still -4 in the regular season, which isn’t that great as a defenceman playing on a 100+ point team
Gardiner isn’t worth trading Reilly, but he is very close to Reilly’s trade value if not better, as I said before he is a 52 point defenceman, your all underestimating him and he is worth so much more then you think, especially with a contract extension
Jake Gardiner is VALUABLE
If you don’t view it that way then somethings wrong.


8.) 17 Sep 2018 14:28:16
First off, Rielly played top pair with a 40 year old against top lines all year. So when he was on the ice, so was Kadris line most of the time as the shut down forwards. When Gardiner was on the ice, he was facing second line offensive players and had Matthews and Nylander on the ice with him. If you can’t see a benefit there that sways plus minus in jakes favour, I can’t help you lol

That being said Gardiner definitely has value, he’s a 28 year old puck mover coming off a 52 pt season and an extremely reasonable cap hit of $4 mill for another season. However nylanders rights with $8mill demand, Gardiner (even resigned) and Trevor Moore, who I’ve see play a lot and is a long shot to play in the NHL does not get you Montour and Panarin lol if Nylander came with a reasonable contract, it’s closer, but if he would sign reasonably, then you don’t trade him to get an older, more expensive winger with less years of control. Either way, it’s flawed.


9.) 18 Sep 2018 02:59:05
The leafs don’t do the major trading for Montour, Savard comes from Columbus and already make up half if not more of the trade value of Montour, the leafs give two elite players, a second, an underrated top 6 defenceman, and a prospect in Moore who is way closer to the NHL and could potentially get in next year, and in return get two elite players, seems fair to me.


 

 

13 Sep 2018 14:47:39
So if the rumours are true that Nylander wants 8 mill, then he needs to go, and the leafs will need to find a good replacement for him
Well, if Columbus is going to get anything back for Panarin, it's now

To Columbus:
Nylander, Gardiner (5 year extension)
To Leafs:
Savard, Panarin (2 year extension)

This would allow Columbus to sign Nylander long term to replace Panarin and give the leafs someone to replace Nylander until another solution presents itself
Do the leafs need to give up more?
Do they give up too much?
Would Columbus be ok with this?

themostleaf33

1.) 13 Sep 2018 17:44:28
Leafs win big as of today, depends what savard is long term in a few years. If nylander wants 8 mil, he'll be sitting out the season.


2.) 13 Sep 2018 20:02:32
Why trade him and take back panarin?! He’s not going to take less than $8 mill either, he’s older and closer to UFA. Nylander has very little leverage for 5 more years.

IF his ask is actually $8mill, I see that coming down. And if it doesn’t, we have Kapanen, Johnsson, and brown to play in his spot for penny’s. They aren’t as good as Nylander, I understand. But they will be playing with Matthews and Marleau. They will contribute just fine.

Then you trade Nylander for a good young D and move on. Trading a young winger for demanding $8 million for an older winger who will want $8.5 mill + makes zero sense when we are stacked with offense and the only weak spot on a solid team is D.


3.) 13 Sep 2018 21:55:57
Well coming as a leafs fan, the trade is done so we can then flip Panarin for an upcoming star like DeBrincat (just an example) so we can keep our young core intact.


 

 

12 Sep 2018 17:31:23
As you can all tell I am obviously a leafs fan, but I was wondering if something like this could happen

To Ottawa:
Trouba, 2019 1st, Petan, retain 1.3 mill of Ceci's contract
To Winnipeg:
Duchene, Ceci, 2019 3rd, 2020 4th

This would definitely help Winnipeg and give Ottawa something with value back for Duchene, and something to kind of eas the pain of trading Karlsson later on, it would get them 2 first rounders at absolute minimum in the end to make up for their lost first
I added Ceci in the trade just so Winnipeg has a backup plan in case Myers goes to FA next summer, although his cap is something they may want to lower so they ask Ottawa to retain around 1.3 mill of his salary
I don't think Duchene plays on re-signing in Ottawa anyway so this may be a trade where they can actually get something for him

Thoughts?

themostleaf33

1.) 12 Sep 2018 18:12:53
No interest from Winnipeg. The Jets won't be able to afford to resign Duchene and trading Trouba this year makes the Jets worse. There is just no incentive there for the Jets to do this.


2.) 12 Sep 2018 18:29:12
Why would the Jets trade for a UFA in Duchene and a RFA in Ceci. The Jets have enough of their own players to sign and they don't need to trade for Duchene who will leave at the end of the season because he will want $8+ mil and the Jets will have better use for that money. They already have an arbitration headache in Trouba so why down grade and trade for another one in Ceci? Then for this they give up a piece of their future in a first round pick. They have the chemistry and internal pieces to make a deep run for the cup and two unhappy perennial losers won't do much to increase the Jets chances. The Jets aren't in business to improve the Sens future.


3.) 12 Sep 2018 18:32:18
Trouba wouldn't want to be in Ottawa over Winnipeg. Lol.


4.) 12 Sep 2018 18:44:31
@islandjet
That is my point, this is a short term solution for the Jets until they can find someone else who they can bring in, they don’t have to re-sign Duchene, and Trouba is replaced by Ceci, who won’t cost as much and who won’t be a huge d**k when it comes to RFA like Trouba was, and won’t cost as much so they have more money to re-sign Myers, Morrisey and other pending UFA and RFA, they still have about 10 mill in space without LTIR so they can 100% do this.
Oh and one more thing, there is no way Duchene is getting more then 7 mill, he had less points then Nylander and Nylander is going to get at max 7, I just don’t see it happening

@memarcusjoe
The Jets are stupid stacked on right side defence, they downgrade that to upgrade their center, if they want a center it’s going to cost Trouba or Myers, just like if the leafs want Parayko it will cost Nylander, they have the depth so 100% they can do it, it’s just a question of who they target
Again they don’t have to re-sign Duchene, it’s a short term solution until they can find something else.


5.) 12 Sep 2018 19:32:08
The Jets are stacked on the right side. now, but of their next 4 top d-man prospects in Niku, Stanley, Poolman and Samberg only Poolman is a right shot. If the Jets can't re-sign Trouba and had to trade him at the draft, which would be hastened with the re-signing of Myers or the development of Poolman, they would want another top 1/ 2 d-man, or a couple of #1 draft choices, or a couple of A prospects. Duchene and Ceci don't fit the bill long term and are potential re-signing headaches.


6.) 12 Sep 2018 20:31:04
@themostleaf33,
The extra 15 points Duchene brings over Little isn't worth losing a top pairing RHD and replacing him with Cici. This trade makes the Jets worse this year just like the RNH trade below.


7.) 12 Sep 2018 22:08:03
Are the Jets that in need of centres?


8.) 12 Sep 2018 22:30:36
Delusional the Jets have Scheifele, Little, Lowry, Roslovic Petan, Perreault that are NHL ready and Spacek McKenzie, Harkins and Stallard that are a couple years away. Just because the Jets didn't resign Stastny doesn't mean they are desperate for a center. They didn't sign free agents as they now have a lot of internal depth at every position.


9.) 12 Sep 2018 23:09:43
Delusional,
Nope not at all. Duchene would be great, but would be a luxury, not a need. Definitely not worth giving up half of our top pairing for.


 

 

 

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21 Sep 2018 19:52:58
Let me help you out here
To Columbus:
Nylander, 2020 2nd, Gardiner, Kapanen
To Leafs:
Panarin, Savard

That’s way more fair, and this is coming from a leafs fan.

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20 Sep 2018 17:17:47
The point of the ducks making this trade is to improve their depth at defence, I don’t think having Schene on your top 6 is the way to go, especially not when you could get a guy like Carrick with a low contract as well to play there
Also Braun isn’t bad, he can replace Montour on the top 4 and playing with Fowler or Lindholm, he should be very solid, so Anaheim definetly recieves quality there
Rosen can replace Peterson in a year or so
I think your overvaluing Montour here, he is a good defenceman but if you compare Gardiner to him, it’s very similar, just that one is a righty so it bumps him up a bit, as yourself, would you take that deal for Gardiner?

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18 Sep 2018 02:59:05
The leafs don’t do the major trading for Montour, Savard comes from Columbus and already make up half if not more of the trade value of Montour, the leafs give two elite players, a second, an underrated top 6 defenceman, and a prospect in Moore who is way closer to the NHL and could potentially get in next year, and in return get two elite players, seems fair to me.

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18 Sep 2018 01:05:31
Bennet is a third line center at best, I understan Montreal is rebuilding, but you still shouldn’t have him on the first line.

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17 Sep 2018 03:19:29
Gardiner is not Karlsson I know, but last year he was better then Morgan Reilly, he had the same amount of points as Reilly and a better +/ - while playing with Nikita Zaitsev, who wasn’t as solid last year and who was worse then Ron Hainsey
You can say Reilly played less games, but he was still -4 in the regular season, which isn’t that great as a defenceman playing on a 100+ point team
Gardiner isn’t worth trading Reilly, but he is very close to Reilly’s trade value if not better, as I said before he is a 52 point defenceman, your all underestimating him and he is worth so much more then you think, especially with a contract extension
Jake Gardiner is VALUABLE
If you don’t view it that way then somethings wrong.

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