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13 Dec 2018 16:26:44
Toronto: Sandin, 1rd 2019, 2rd 2019, Brown

Aves: Makar

Even then Colorado might not even night they value Makar as a future #1 RHD and rightly so

13 Dec 2018 19:01:03
What? What’s the point of this?

14 Nov 2018 04:37:18
So, interesting proposal I read elsewhere that I wanted to bring to attention here and see what the thoughts were.

Last year, Washington traded Orpik and Grubauer to Colorado, who immediately bought Orpik out, who then re-signed with Washington for less money. Can the Leafs do a similar trade involving Marleau?

2019 off season (after July 1 bonus is paid)

Colorado trades 2nd
Leafs trade Marleau, Bracco

Colorado immediately buys out Marleau and he re-signs with the Leafs for $2M.

Leafs save $4.25M in cap hit, thereby avoiding cash crunch.

Marleau makes more money, because he gets the money from the buyout, plus whatever he gets when he re-signs.

Colorado has more than enough cap space to absorb the full $6.25M cap hit Marleau will be carrying (35+ contract), and would only be on the hook for $4M in salary total payable. In return they get Bracco, or whatever other pick/ prospect you think they deserve for doing the Leafs this $4M favour (Orpik was a $3M favour to Washington in exchange for Grubauer) .

Remember, it smells suspiciously like cap circumvention, except Colorado has already done this before with Orpik.


14 Nov 2018 05:21:11
Well. . I think they deserve a lot more than Bracco for doing the Leafs a favor. it's this kind of thing, and whatever it is Arizona does with Datsyuk ect. that I hope the next CBA gets rid of. Some sort of way to make teams not cheat the system.

14 Nov 2018 05:27:36
Why would any team do this to just take Bracco?

14 Nov 2018 06:05:36
The difference is in the Washington trade colorodo actually got something in return lol.

14 Nov 2018 12:33:41
Lol what the heck is this nonsense? 😂 Maybe change the 2nd to a 1994 Toyota Corolla.

14 Nov 2018 12:39:37
Ya Bracco isn’t worth the second alone, they aren’t giving a second for Bracco and to do the leafs a favour. Gives them 2 years of extra cap and puts them at max buyouts if I’m not mistaken giving them less flexibility there, while not getting anything in return. Think Kapanen with a 3rd going back.

14 Nov 2018 13:16:36
Marleau signed in Toronto because of that 3 year contract. Toronto offered the 3rd year to get the guy they wanted. Very well knowing that third year was the first year of Marner and Mathews first years of their big deals.
Colorado says thanks but no thanks, that's not even close to enough to make them consider. At least with Orpik comparison they recieved Grabaur who some said was the best backup and could challenge for more starts in net which was a big want for Colorado, someone to challenge Varly.

14 Nov 2018 14:07:14
1st of all it would Definitely would take more to get avs to do that. Secondly, Colorado has the best line in hockey but lacks depth. I think in the next year or two they will be active and use their cap space to build a roster to compete around Mack and Rantanen, not use it as cap relief for another team. Also remember that Colorado offered Dubas the job of running their whole hockey operations of the team last year and to be Sakics boss before the leafs pulled back permission to talk and promoted him. I don’t assume they want to do us any favours.

14 Nov 2018 14:27:05
Sheesh. Guys. It clearly says that instead of Bracco, Colorado can have someone else who is worth the 2nd and $4M bucks. Hell, they can have Johnsson if they want. He’s not doing a whole lot right now. The emphasis here should be on the concept, not the prospect player.


We poached Tavares from Lou and he still took Martin off our hands. It’s a big business. I don’t think Sakic would hold it against Dubas that he got promoted.

14 Nov 2018 14:49:11
Didn't they just speak to dubas about posdibly becoming the Gm? Idk but that's all I heard.

14 Nov 2018 15:24:48
“Dubas is not going to Colorado, but here is my understanding: The contact being made was from Colorado ownership. The contact with the Leafs and Dubas was in hopes of getting Dubas to come in and run the entire hockey operation of the Colorado Avalanche. What that means for everybody else there, and what the timing on all that is, I’m not sure. But we do know now that Dubas isn’t going to Colorado; at least not now. ”

That’s from the article at that time when leafs pulled back permission quoting Bob McKenzie. I know some people have an isssue with TSN, but I have a lot of faith in what Bob McKenzie says he knows. He’s pretty careful of what he reports and what he doesn’t.

14 Nov 2018 16:16:30
Yeah I agree bob mckenzie is still one of the best. So did he mean they wanted him to be director of hockey operations? like what was the job title?

14 Nov 2018 17:49:32
Don’t think he ever said an exact job title, but I remember at the time they had talked about that his duties could include deciding if sakic stayed or left. So I would assume some sort of president or whatever, I don’t know.

14 Nov 2018 17:54:06
Like shanny runs the entire hockey operations for us and he’s president. Different organizations and different owners call it different things, but It was compared, power and say wise, to that. Once shanahan realized what they were talking to dubas about, they pulled his permission to talk and neither shanny or dubas would say if a promise was made that day, but we all know Lou was replaced by dubas a year later.

14 Nov 2018 18:07:31
Possibly I guess but I'd have to question the avs thought process on that one. I mean I just don't think they even consider bringing in anyone who would consider moving out joe sakic or even allow them to have that power. the guy has pretty much done nothing only real good things for the organization for most of his life. And not meaning to be a knock against dubas but compared to sakic especially up to that point what has he done to be considered higher up then joe? Now I could have seen the initial report of the avs looking at him for the Gm position happening and then promoting sakic.

14 Nov 2018 21:54:26
Yeah, I don’t know the thought process but it was apparently done directly by the owner and sakic denied it was happening. Later it came out that sakic wasn’t lying when he denied they were talking to dubas, he really was unaware.

Dubas is known as a big analytics guy, my only guess is the owner got it in his head that he wanted his whole organization run like that like they did in Florida when they canned Tallon and immediately regretted it. I’m a hybrid thinker when it comes to that, I think there’s real value in analytics, but also a real hockey guy like Lou, tallon, shanahan or sakic is important.

So maybe that was his plan? Not sure, I just know we (leaf fans) were following the story at the time because most of us assumed dubas would be GM here eventually.

30 Oct 2018 23:20:01
edm : jesse puljujarvi and a 3rd 2019 pick

colorado : tyson barrie

31 Oct 2018 02:01:10
That's actually pretty ost in value. I know Emdonton fans think Puljuarvi is a god but atm he's looking closer to be the next Paajarvi rather then a stud so I would think they would take the in prime RHD that almost got 60 points last year rather then holding on to a possible future bust that turns out to be like Magnus Paajarvi.

31 Oct 2018 04:25:52
Why on earth would Colorado even consider this trade?

I understand Avs have Makar and Timmins coming up soon, which means one, or both, of Johnson or Barrie are trade bait. But Barrie is a 27 year old RHD 50+ point player making a very reasonable $5.5M for the next two years. I highly doubt Avs trade him for a guy who has 14 goals and 30 points in 100 games AS A FORWARD!

Its not even close. You need to develop a lot more respect for Sakic, who is showing the chops to develop Avs into a real contender much sooner than anticipated.

31 Oct 2018 09:15:57
I think Colorado would want more to be honest. I know leafs had apparently asked about barrie 2 offseasons Aho and again last season after Duchene was traded away and the reports were the asking price was far too high for the leafs. A year later, a 3rd rounder and a talented player who hasn’t found his game at the next level I doubt does it. Could be wrong. Some people will say he hasn’t lived up to hype, others will say he’s due and hasn’t scratched the surface, both can still be true.

31 Oct 2018 22:42:53
For someone so desperate to trade Puljarvi you seem to think he’s worth a lot. Why do you want to keep trading him if he’s so valuable?

14 Oct 2018 22:08:47
Conor Timmins

William Nylander

TOR gets a young, tall, right-handed defenseman who's reliable in his own zone and extremely skilled handling the puck and can chip in with offense. Timmins is currently injured however I firmly believe that once he recovers, he is ready to be an impact NHL defenseman.

COL on the other hand really bolsters their depth on RW behind Rantanen and adds a major scoring threat 5 on 5 as well as on the power play with the addition of Nylander. They also have a good amount of cap space to sign him for this year and the future, especially with expensive contracts like Colin Wilson's coming off the books at the end of this season.

Also, COL has Makar in the system already and so, losing Timmins in such a trade will not hurt them as much as it will benefit them in the short and long run.

Oh and Timmins used to play for the Sault St. Marie Greyhounds so the Dubas connection is also there.


15 Oct 2018 00:06:50
I posted this a couple weeks ago, I personally would do it based on needs of both teams, but I do think that Colorado should add a bit based on the fact that nylander is currently a proven top 6 forward and will get better and Timmins hasn’t proven anything at the nhl level. I like it tho, pull the trigger!

15 Oct 2018 00:40:55
No from leafs.

15 Oct 2018 04:02:54
Maybe I’m greedy, but I would try and get Avs to throw in a pick as well.

Timmins is a very highly rated prospect, and depending on the analyst, is even more highly rated than Makar. A real steal for Avs where they drafted him, he would look good beside Rielly, and along with Liljegren, would cement Leafs RHD for years. Some on this site may say Nylander holds more value, but don’t you listen to them. Timmins holds more value to us because he fills a glaring need, and would alleviate cap situation for a few more years.

02 Oct 2018 00:42:59
If leafs cannot sign nylander before start of season

Colorado- Conor Timmins and Col 2019 1st

Trade gets leafs a top tier affordable right handed defence prospect who can both push offence and is good defensively. Dubas May have fimiliarity with him as he's played for the greyhounds. Also get a mid-late first. Colorado gets a very good arguably elite winger to give them a scary top 6 to compete in the tough central division.

02 Oct 2018 05:27:15
Timmins is a great player. Ranked just as highly as Makar (maybe higher, depending on the review), he would be a good choice to target. Avs are loaded at RHD and with both Timmins and Makar, they can afford to let one of these guys go.

Some on this site may say Nylander has more value than Timmins, but don’t you worry about that. Timmins holds more value to us because he fills a glaring need and will be around for a decade. Nylander is greedy and selfish, not a team player at all. I would be more than happy to dump him on Colorado for Timmins and 1st. We have enough highly skilled forwards that trading Nylander for an elite RHD prospect player won’t significantly reduce our offense and would greatly improve our defense.

Either Timmins or Makar is excellent choice. And I think targeting Avs is a smart choice. Their own re-build is coming along nicely, and Nylander would complete the top six for them making them an offensive force.

02 Oct 2018 06:11:37
Leafs would love that, not sure if Colorado would do that. But interesting post!

02 Oct 2018 10:40:46
Again not saying this trade is bad for Toronto but saying Timmons is an “ elite d prospect “ prospect is ridiculous. He’s a second round pick who’s been shaping out very well similar to Travis Dermott. Saying he’s Elite- ( Hedman, Dahlin, Jones, Karlsson, Doughty, ETC) tier is ridiculous chill out with that label. I could see him being a very good player in the future but not at the elite level.

02 Oct 2018 13:34:48
First of all I didn’t say anything about Timmins being “elite” as of now. Second how about Weber or Keith to start with, both drafted in the second round lower than Timmins and are considered elite. Being drafted in the first round doesn’t guarentee “elite” status, it’s a trade that fills need for both teams.

02 Oct 2018 14:20:19

Calling a top 5 defense prospect an “elite prospect” isn’t so ridiculous. Coming from someone who has a very real tendency to contradict himself is hypocritical: one post you say Nylander is not a star, but then you’re pretty quick to throw the elite label on him. Nylander had 20 goals and 60 points last year and almost the exact same the year previous. Hardly what I would call elite. Maybe your definition of elite is different from mine?

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If you don’t like me hyping prospects and players, then don’t read my posts. I’ve already basically started to ignore yours, as they seem to be hyper-critical without contributing much in the way of conversation or debating the merits of the players involved.

02 Oct 2018 20:52:47
Subban also a second round pick. All multiple time Norris Finalists and a cpl wins over the last few years.

03 Oct 2018 02:47:21
Missing the point the reality is Timmons will never be in the Elite Catagory those you listed aren’t either. Elite is Orr, Coffey, Lindstrom, Harvey, ETC not Timmons and Friggin Subban.

03 Oct 2018 05:40:32
You don’t think Weber, Keith or Subban are/ were elite in their primes? All were considered top 5 D in the league for stretches with Weber considered the best for quite a while. i'd consider all of them elite at leas for long stretches of their careers. What about Chelios? Also of the 4 you mentioned Orr and Harvey came before the draft and Lidström was drafted 53 overall which is a second round today (3rd round at the time) . Where does Josi fit for you? He was also a second Round pick.

03 Oct 2018 16:04:16
@VBB Okay now I’m really confused. So you’re saying to be called elite, you have to be a surefire first ballot hall of famer? And yet you have called marner and Nylander Elite many times. Wouldn’t that mean you consider them in the likes of gretzky, Howe, Lemieux, Hull?!?! Lol

And you wouldn’t trade Nylander for anything shy of the next Bobby Orr? Hahaha come on man. You are getting more rediculous by the day lol Nylander has a chance to be an elite scorer because very few guys can put up 40 goals and 80pts and I believe that’s atleast a possibility for him. However I would never even think to suggest he would reach the status of top 100 players of all time let alone top 4/ 5 at his position lol craziness on a Wednesday.

03 Oct 2018 17:48:27
Ok, elite is top 10 0f all time? Alright, got your thought process now so can comprehend wtf you're talking about.

03 Oct 2018 19:23:54
So the trade is close to fair, you’re (VB) is saying that Timmins is not a elite defence prospect, which no where in the post did I call him a elite prospect, which is fair but by your standards nylander isn’t anywhere close to elite either, which is also fair to say. So the trade is a good forward for a good defence prospect that has lots of potential to be exactly what the leafs want/ need with the addition of a late first to even out the difference that nylander is currently a top 6 forward and Timmins is unproven.

03 Oct 2018 23:22:41
Mertle I was not referring to you at all and I don’t believe Nylander is Elite. It really depends what you consider Elite. I’d say the top 1% of NHL player of all Time belong in the elite category. Not saying second round picks can’t/ Haven’t gotten to the level I’m just saying he won’t. He’s a very good prospect and I’d love him on the leafs but I wouldn’t call him Elite. I’d consider Dahlin the only “Elite prospect “
Could see Petterson/ Svechnikov/ Zandina getting there but I’m not throwing the Elite tital at them.

23 Aug 2018 08:32:32
To colorado karlsson
To ottawa Tyson Barrie and ottawa frist round pick 2019 with then ottawa takes jackhughes lol only one can dream

23 Aug 2018 13:54:05
If it's clear that Karlsson will not extend with anyone other than Tampa, Ottawa is going to need to manage their expectations for a return if he is traded as a rental to any other team. I seriously doubt Colorado would be willing to include Ottawa's 1st, which has a high probability of being a top-3 pick, for a season or less of EK (especially along with a nice piece under contract for multiple years in Barrie) .

21 Aug 2018 15:23:17
Ottawa Senators:

Erik Karlsson (Signed)

Colorado Avalanche:

Cale Makar
1st Round Pick 2019
1st Round Pick 2020
2nd Round Pick 2020

21 Aug 2018 16:12:36
Wouldnt do it if I were GM of the Avs. Only way a young team trades for him is in a sign and trade. Karlsson will only get traded unsigned if its to a contending team.

21 Aug 2018 16:55:51
This is with a contract it says. But still, I wouldn’t do it if I were Avs.

21 Aug 2018 20:56:48
Is that '19 first ottawas or Colorado. Also what would karlsson be signed for? There is a big difference in value if karlsson is signed at 8x8 (what Hedman makes, very unlikely), 8x11 (what doughty makes) and 8x>11, which is what karlsson could be asking for (not sure) . IMO it is too much from colorados pov.

21 Aug 2018 23:12:19
I guarantee Colorado wouldn’t trade Cale Makar for any pending UFA. They could trade for him now for that huge overpayment proposed or wait a year and get him for free. Colorado isn’t a true contender with Karlsson. So trading all of there future for that would backfire tremendously. Think of the expansion never put all your eggs in one basket. So that’s why Colorado shouldn’t trade for him at all unless as itookdonscherry said a pre negotiation was reached and in that case the deal would be a lot less then that. That package is almost as much as Erik Lindros got.
Ottawa is not in a strong position to trade because every team know Ottawa has to trade him ( and probably with Ryan ) so any trade will be a loss for Ottawa there is no way they get anything close to a “fair” deal. At the deadline Ottawa will take the best offer they get probably 2 1sts and a decent prospect ( definitely not Makar ) . Dallas wouldn’t trade Hieskanen straight up for Karlsson and Tampa was unwilling to trade Foote in any deal for him so you’re wrong if you think Colorado trades a dman who is more valuable then both in a deal for a pending UFA.

17 Aug 2018 21:32:16
2 Trade Proposals


Colorado Trades

Toronto Trades
1st Round Pick 2019


Detroit Trades

Toronto Trades
2nd Round Pick 2019
3rd Round Pick 2020
7th Round Pick 2020

Don't want to hear can't compare The Skinner trade to this because Skinner is injury prone, Skinner has missed only 8 games in 4yrs Nyquist 6 games, if anything Skinner is the better player if compared, Colorado even though they made the playoffs are rebuilding on the fly and my trade Proposal helps them long term as well as this season as both Brown and Carrick will play full time with them.

Thoughts ?

18 Aug 2018 00:28:57
I think you've hit both trades right on the head. There is no way Detroit or Colorado could turn them down. Make sure you email the GM's of all three teams right now and let them take advantage of your superior trade packaging ability.

Colorado and Detroit fans: I'm only kidding, but I just wanted to give Pinball a positive response for once.

18 Aug 2018 01:05:33
1st one no from Colorado and Detroit probably takes that at the deadline but Toronto dose not need Nyquist. He would probably be playing fourth line.

18 Aug 2018 02:54:16
First Trade:

You are trading depth pieces and a 1st for the Avs best Defenseman. Not enough for Barrie. Also the Avs may be rebuilding on the fly like you say but the Avs still need good players to teach and hide the youth behind. Also Avs made the playoffs, they are probably trying to build around MacKinnon and not blow it up.

Second Trade:

I’m pretty sure someone on here literally said that there is no real comparison bar and Skinner trade shouldn’t really used as a comparable. It’s one thing to compare contracts based on similar play, doesn’t necessarily mean th trade values should be the same.

Regardless of th injury history, as a wings fan we decline. Those picks are also expected to be late now with all the expectations as leafs being cup favourites.

I do expect a better offer that doesn’t include fillers like Leivo. Or at least if there is a bidding war then I can see other teams beating that.

Main point- Nyquist won’t be a Maple Leaf. So you can forget it.

18 Aug 2018 03:43:55
Easiest no from Colorado and that’s a lot of nothing for Nyquist but 🤷🏼‍♂️.

18 Aug 2018 05:05:06
Well. at least it wasn't a proposal for Panarin.

18 Aug 2018 14:48:03
If you were a gm you'd have easily the best team in the league! But I guess have a hard time getting other gms to agree but your ideas trading garbage for talent are incredible!

18 Aug 2018 18:16:44
Detroit says no. We are rebuilding and need at least a first and b+ prospect. Leivo and a bunch of crap picks doesn't move the dial.

08 Aug 2018 05:37:04
to Columbus

to Colorado
Dubinsky ($1.85M [? ] Retained

Dubinsky doesn't fit into Columbus' top 6 as a center (although he still can as a wing) whereas Colorado doesn't have a reliable second like center, as Soderberg is more of a 3rd liner and Compher isn't quite there either. The avs have the cap room to make this happen, although the retained salary would make it easier to sign those coming off their ELCs. Additionally, Columbus gets Dubinsky off the books to help try and keep Panarin, whereas Colorado is not in such a situation, for Rantanen should be easy to sign with the room remaining (especially with Varlamov likely either getting less money or leaving next season)

23 Jul 2018 20:06:26
Colorado trades: Barrie

Toronto trades: Nylander, 2nd round pick

23 Jul 2018 21:06:46
I’m confused why Toronto is adding. Toronto is giving the younger more dynamic player for someone who they don’t need they already have two 1 dimensional offensive dman in Gardiner/ Rielly. Nylander is likely a PPG player in the near future. Would rather Make a package of Brown, Lilijgren and 1st 2019 . Also would much rather go after Eric Johnson.

23 Jul 2018 21:33:22
I agree that Toronto shouldn’t be adding.

23 Jul 2018 21:50:34
Barrie isn’t the exact player I’d want. So I wouldn’t trade a Player like Nylander for him. Right age and value probably. Just need someone better in our zone to justify the deal.

23 Jul 2018 23:47:33
The perfect dman for the leafs would be Erik Johnson, Jacob Trouba, Brett Pesce, Shea Webber, Matt Nichusknen or Colten Paryanko if I were the leafs the only way I’d be willing to consider including Nylander are for one of the above + ( Burns, Doughty, Karlsson, Subban, ETC ) stars that obviously wouldn’t be available.

24 Jul 2018 05:11:17
Lol all those dman you named are so different from each other tho.

24 Jul 2018 15:17:24
Value wise yes they’re different but role wise no they’d fill the role perfectly beside Rielly on the 1st pair. In the perfect world I’d like to see the leafs have 2 DFD like Orlov-Nichusknen do be high minute munching dman and get harsh defensive zone starts and have Rielly getting majority of the offensive zone starts. Unless you get the opportunity to role Rielly-Weber/ Paryanko of course.

24 Jul 2018 22:40:29
The leafs have to trade Nylander or marner to upgrade their D otherwise Tampa will just waist away all tavares good years Because Toronto will not beat them anytime soon in my opinion. And if Tampa gets Karlsson without giving up point its over and I’m a panthers fan.

10 Jul 2018 15:14:54
3 way trade between Ottawa, Colorado and Tampa

Tampa gets: Karlsson, Conor timmins

Ottawa gets: Sergachev, Cirelli, Foote, COL 2019 1st (ottawa's)

Colorado gets: Tampa 2020 1st, Johnson, Ott 3rd 2019

10 Jul 2018 15:50:53
So Colorado gives up a good 19 year old RHD prospect and gives Ottawa back their own 1st round pick that should be a top 5, for Johnson (owed $30million), Tampa’s 1st (would be 25-31) and a 3rd from Sens?! Lol

Colorado just gets involved here to get screwed and help Ottawa’s rebuild by returning the pick their moron GM traded away and making it possible for them to cash in on Karlsson by taking Johnson’s salary out of the equation in Tampa.

The third team getting involved in these trades need to come out ahead to justify even being there. The only reason these things become 3 team trades is that teams 1 and 2 need team 3 to do them a favour. They get paid for that favour. They don’t pay to do youbthe favour. They’re the biggest loser in the whole deal haha makes zero sense.

10 Jul 2018 16:53:35
Haha oh man this is bad.

Easy no from Colorado. I don't think they trade that pick unless Karlsson is heading to Denver, not Tampa.

10 Jul 2018 18:04:45
Colorado gets bent over. Wouldn’t trade Timmons alone for that let alone a potential 1st ovr pick.

11 Jul 2018 10:42:27
This is horrible for TB. This is horrible for COL. Nice try, Sens fan.

11 Jul 2018 13:41:32
vbbbvvbb you wouldn't trade timmins for that lol.

11 Jul 2018 15:20:56
No I wouldn’t he has tremendous potential and in all the redrafts he’s a top 10 pick.

04 Jul 2018 00:05:59
Not too sure what the aves salary situation looks like but was thinking:

Colorado- Timmins and Ottawa 2019 1st
Ottawa- Karlson

Colorado instantly becomes a condender, with Barrie Makar Karlson Johnson girard they'd have a great young d core to go with the strong forward core. Ottawa gets back their pick to potentially draft Hughes and gets a good defence prospect in Timmins. Karlson would have a good chance at consecutive deep playoff runs with a young Colorado team, Ottawa trades Karlson to the west and out of their hair.

04 Jul 2018 04:34:17
Timmons and potentially top 3 pick would not be a bad return imo. Maybe avs add a forward as well.

04 Jul 2018 05:03:17
Proposed the same deal.

03 Jul 2018 19:56:18
Ottawa is a tough spot they can either trade Karlsson for an underwhelming return or lose him as an FA.

Ottawa: Erik Karlsson and Bobby Ryan

Vegas: Colin Miller and 1st 2019


Ottawa: Erik Karlsson

Vegas: Shea Theodore, Alex Tuch and 2nd 2019


Ottawa: Erik Karlsson

Colorado: Zandonov/Timmins and Ottawa's 1st 2019


Ottawa: Karlsson

Tampa: Tyler Johnson, Taylor Raddish, Slatter Koekkoek And 1st 2019


Ottawa: Karlsson

Washington:Matt Niskanen, Jakub Varna/Andre Burakovsky, Lucus Johanson and 1st 2019

If he is traded he'll return a similar package to these.

03 Jul 2018 20:27:42
Eric karlson was never top of my fav players list but I've noticed over the last 3 years he's really improved his play in the defensive zone along with being the top offensive defenseman in the league. I'm not going to be one of these guys who say he's one of the top 3 players in the league but when he's healthy he is for sure top 10. So essentially what I'm saying is if this is all it takes to get him and montreal doesn't at least try then I would be super ticked off.

03 Jul 2018 21:02:11
I highly doubt he’d resign with a non competitive team + do they really wanna pay him 11-13 million. @habby.

03 Jul 2018 21:15:08
I'm sure other places would be more attractive to him ATM but not all the teams that look like contenders on paper can afford him. and maybe he'd like to stay close to where he's been his whole career and that means toronto or montreal really. And the habs can afford to take on his and Ryan's cap and yes resign him too.

03 Jul 2018 21:16:36
We don't really know where his preferred destinations are yet but I wouldn't bet on it being montreal or toronto just the same.

03 Jul 2018 21:45:41
vegas fan right here.

03 Jul 2018 22:14:52
Colorado AND vegas fan =)

03 Jul 2018 22:30:04
Actually I’m a leafs fan and even if that were true ( leafs don’t even have the cap ) the sens would not trade their best player in franchise history to two of their biggest rivals you guys can disagree all you want but once Ottawa let’s Karlsson walk or gets an underwhelming return I’ll be the 1st to tell you guys I told you so just like I told Rambo about Hoffman.

03 Jul 2018 23:57:54
Toronto has better young guys than Montreal does. I don't think it would be wise to trade to either. I believe he will be traded to the West. If Karlsson goes to Toronto, the Leafs will be in playoffs for long time especially with Tavares probably a cup or 2. Dorion needs to find either a good top 2 Centre, goalie and between prospect or top 4 D-Man.

04 Jul 2018 02:30:04
I'm not disagreeing with you when you say he won't get as much as Rambo thinks he will I just don't see either of these deals being enough at this time.

04 Jul 2018 02:30:25
Some are probably close though.

04 Jul 2018 13:54:01
Just such random and so many values that are so different, hard to tell what you think Karlsson value is, colin Miller and a first? Obviously no from sens. The second trade with a first instead of a 2nd looks a lot better. The teams rumored to get him are contenders other than NYi, so a 2nd would be 50-60 pick and that's not enough.

03 Jul 2018 18:16:20
OTT: Karlsson
COL: Makar, Jost, 1st Round Pick 2019 (OTT)

03 Jul 2018 19:14:51
Don't see Colorado including Makar and Ottawa's 1st in any deal for Karlsson. One or the other perhaps but that pick is too valuable now. It's as near as it gets to a guaranteed lottery pick this year.

04 Jul 2018 05:41:11
Yes from Sens but no from Avs. Imo Jost, Makar, MacKinnon & Rantanen are untouchables.

30 Jun 2018 19:55:03
Trying to gauge EK’s value is hard. However, here are a few deals that I could see happening (in terms of realism, at least) :

(D) Erik Karlsson + (RW) Bobby Ryan + (G) Marcus Hogberg to the Vegas Golden Knights in exchange for (LW) Tomas Tatar + (C) Nick Suzuki + (D) Colin Miller + 2019 1st Round Draft Selection.

(D) Erik Karlsson + (LW) Marian Gaborik to the Vegas Golden Knights in exchange for (C) Cody Glass + (D) Shea Theodore + 2019 1st Round Draft Selection.

(D) Erik Karlsson + (C) Zack Smith + 2019 4th Round Draft Selection to the Anaheim Ducks in exchange for (D) Josh Manson + (C) Sam Steel + 2020 2nd Round Draft Selection.

(D) Erik Karlsson + (RW) Bobby Ryan to the Colorado Avalanche in exchange for (D) Connor Timmins + (C) Colin Wilson + (LW) Vladislav Kamenev + 2019 1st Round Draft Selection (OTT) .

30 Jun 2018 20:03:48
First two aren’t bad, but the ducks one I think is pretty bad for Ottawa. I like Manson and think Steele is a great player but that’s not enough for Karlsson. And a 2020 2nd? No way from Sens.

30 Jun 2018 20:47:06
1st 2 are to much for Karlsson IMO because he’s being dealt as a rentel but i like the other 2 no way he gets Glass AND Theodore. Lindholm and Karlsson would be an unreal.

30 Jun 2018 21:25:53

why do you still comment?
to give people laughs?

30 Jun 2018 22:53:32
Yes that’s why I’m practicing my stand up act how do you think it’s going?

01 Jul 2018 05:01:21
When doing stand up you want people to laugh with you. Not at you.

01 Jul 2018 06:03:05
It’s kind of a new generation thing I’m bringing a new style that I’m going to Trade mark.

03 Jul 2018 03:15:27
Its going to be hard for ottawa to gauge what ek is worth if they throw a bunch of crap in to go with him, it sounds like that's the route they want to take. but as a sens fan, i really hope they sell him on his own.

22 Jun 2018 08:20:18
Colorado trades: Barrie

Toronto trades: Nylander


22 Jun 2018 13:59:14
Not a bad idea, I just think Nylander is scratching the surface of what he can be, barrie is what he is. He’s a good player and fits our need, so might have to over pay a bit. But I think I’d want something else coming back, could just be greed though. Also I believe Dubas is going to try to sign tavares (still a long shot obviously) and if he does, Nylander will be traded very soon after for D help.

22 Jun 2018 15:57:02
I would really doubt that JT goes to Toronto. I'm starting to think he is going to stay put.

22 Jun 2018 16:09:24
He’s either staying, going to T. O or San Jose.

22 Jun 2018 17:40:50
Yeah I’m not saying he will. But I do believe IF he leaves NYI, then Toronto has as good of chance as 2-3 other teams on a short list. It’s a good city, family close by, good team on the rise, nearly unlimited resources for facilities, nice home arena and practise rink, stable management and coach. Checks all the boxes. History says he stays, but if he leaves, I like our chances. Matthews/ tavares/ Kadri down the middle could be dominant and Centre depth can offset a need for high end defense that we don’t have (as proven by penguins)

22 Jun 2018 19:53:21
I think cap would be an issue. I live just outside of TO and really don't think he would sign here. If he moves, he goes somewhere that he would be the face of the franchise and make a lot of extra money on endorsements.

22 Jun 2018 21:27:18
He could be as marketed as he wants in Toronto. There’s so much opportunity for corporate sponsors wanting to attatch themselves to this version of the up and coming leafs that Matthews and marner couldn’t possibly take it all on. It’s not like other big cities with multiple league franchises like NY or something. Leafs players don’t have to battle blue jays and raptors for endorsements like rangers have to with Yankees and Giants etc. It’s leafs above all else here. Kessel didn’t want any of that stuff, so he didn’t take it on, but it was all there for him if he wanted it.

22 Jun 2018 22:12:22
He’d make the most from Endorsements from T. O it’s the largest market in the NHL if he signs there the fans would go crazy and he’d be known as a hero. It’s his home town and they definitely have the cap to sign all 4 but it’d probably be smart to trade Nylander if he signs. I did the math and it would work under the cap leaving around 4 million if they can sign the 4 for around 36 million Marner+ Nylander=12 million Mathews+Tavares=22 million.

23 Jun 2018 19:04:25
Colorado adds just a bit.

22 Jun 2018 05:12:02
Ott : Karlsson resigned long term, Ryan, and the 22nd overall

CBJ : werenski, panarin with at least a 2 year extension

Ottawa drafts zadina

Ottawa uses money freed from Ryan contract to at least make a serious pitch for Tavares

Panarin signs long enough to see if Ottawa is a good place for him or not and gives them a chance to showcase him and find a suitable trading partner if he doesn't want to stay. werenski will be like a poor and Karlsson in Ottawa and by bringing both in it does 2 things

1 - it shows tavarez we are serious about turning things around in Ottawa for the better and want to start winning again


2 - even without Tavares it still gives us a good chance to keep Colorado out of top 10 with our pick next season as I'm sure duchene and panarin together would be huge change in offense esp if you throw in stone or zadina on top

Go to town haters.

22 Jun 2018 05:34:01
Not worth it for Columbus imo lol.

22 Jun 2018 06:44:07
It’s your little comments that make us haters. Have you noticed the other Ottawa fans on this site are treated with respect?

22 Jun 2018 11:05:13
Really doubt Tavares leaves the island at all.

If he does, there is zero chance he would do so to go to Ottawa. ZERO.

Columbus says no anyways.

All I can say is that Colorado is loving all of this right now.

22 Jun 2018 11:30:50
Mcjesus why isn't it worth it for Columbus?

Ryan can do at least 70% of what panarin did for them, sure he's overpayed a bit but the 22nd overall compensates for that. Plus panarin already on record saying he's not going back to Columbus.

And werenski is no EK but he's up there and help in dealing with the loss of EK.

Imo they are the perfect trading partners at this time as Ottawa will need a defenceman and a low to mitigate the loss of Hoffman and possibly EK while columbus will need someone to pick up panarins load offensively plus it gets Karlsson further away from Hoffman. And besides that, no way Dorian takes peanuts for Karlsson like he did for hoffman as the fans will have his head on a stick if he does. Columbus is a winning team that Karlsson would likely be willing to go to as well.

22 Jun 2018 13:39:18
As a Jackets fan, no way. We're not taking Bobby Ryan's contract and essentially losing Panarin for just a late first and to upgrade Werenski for Karlsson. Karlsson is fantastic no doubt, but Werenski is just 20 years old and has great chemistry with Seth Jones, who finished 4th in Norris voting as a 23 year old. The two of them were arguably a top 5 pair in the league this year, and that was with Werenski injured all season.

22 Jun 2018 14:26:20
First of all this is all assuming Karlsson sees Columbus Ohio as his 1st choice to love for the next 9 years. 30 NHL cities which would all be interested on some level if he hits the market. He’s already had his career controlled for him in Ottawa up to this point, he’s not going to sign in Columbus a year earlier than he can atleast explore the thought of playing in Vegas, Edmonton, LA, NY, Toronto, Dallas or other Big market cities just to help the senators maximize his return lol he doesn’t like melnyk right back to the way Alfredsson was treated, I can assume he’s not a fan of Dorion and the way he’s handled (or ignored up to the last 2 weeks) the hell his family was put through. Being loyal and Helping the organization has been replaced by “what’s best for me” and I say good for him.

22 Jun 2018 14:39:39
Solid points by Specmence and Jim.

22 Jun 2018 16:12:14
Karlsson wouldn’t get Werneski straight up he’s 20 and already putting up close to 50 Points on a ELC. Karlsson will get an underwhelming return.

22 Jun 2018 22:53:20
How are those solid points by specmence unsportsmanlike?

1st of panarin already went on record saying he's done in Columbus at contracts end no matter what so losing him for nothing or as part of a deal that feels in Karlsson it's no question what the smart route would be and it's not letting him walk for nothing.

And vbbvbb you can certainly dream can't you? Karlsson hands down is worth double werenski value and you know it. yes werenski is a great 20 year old but nowhere near Karlsson value on his own. werenski = top 15 to 20 Defence in NHL
Karlsson = top 3 player in world
Huge difference.

22 Jun 2018 23:37:43
NoBiasRambo why are you lieing we all obviously no way more then you about everything ( not just hockey) what are you like 6? 7? Anyway Panirans agent said this “ our camp is not ready to discuss an extension at ( ( (this time) ) ) “ he can't even sign a contract until July the 1st he has a full year. Wow.

23 Jun 2018 03:08:06
Know way more* whoops.

19 Jun 2018 01:58:22
Ottawa: Erik Karlsson

Colorado: Connor Timmons, 17th overall and Ottawa's 2019 1st

Ottawa- gets there pick back next year so they can push forward with a full rebuild and Connor Timmons looks like he is going to be the steal of the draft he took the heaviest work load on the U20 Canadian World Junior team and looked better then Makar. Colorado probably dosent want to trade him but in order to get the best dman in the NHL that's probably the price

Colorado- they have cap space to resign Karlsson and they looked good already in the playoffs Karlsson could but then over the top.


Edmonton: Lucic and 10th overall

Ottawa: Hoffman


19 Jun 2018 06:20:07
Lol who said Hoffman has that much value anymore nah.

19 Jun 2018 06:20:28
Could get for better deal I bet Ottawa has zero leverage he’s got to go.

19 Jun 2018 14:40:47
i'd do the karlsson deal, though i'm sure they could get more?

19 Jun 2018 15:07:27
McJesus I’ll start off by saying Hoffman was traded for dirt but that trade would rid EDM of a hideous contract while giving them a consistent 25 goal scorer. This would’ve helped EDM Lucic needs to go and he’ll be hard to move.

16 Jun 2018 15:52:02

1st 2018/19(OTT depending which pick they take),
1st 2019 (COL),

16 Jun 2018 17:58:28
Huge no from Colorado. Makar will not be moved.

16 Jun 2018 18:30:40
No from avs.

16 Jun 2018 19:54:09
Man. I would 100% take that . that's interesting .

17 Jun 2018 15:26:49
not a huge no both no for makar pretty sure.

17 Jun 2018 21:51:01
We'll find out soon enough.

18 Jun 2018 11:44:25
What has makar done? If anything col adds Girard on top and it's a deal.

11 Jun 2018 19:29:19
Oil: RNH

COL: Barrie.

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