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22 Sep 2017 08:18:56
Wondering if a trade between colorado and vegas could be done. Vegas is looking for draft picks and colorado for defencemen...

Vegas Mcnabb + Sbisa for Col 3rd and 5th 2019

Would colorado have to add or would it be enough?

22 Sep 2017 17:09:45
Col would not want more 5 to 7th dmen when they have lots of young rookies fighting for those spots and COL needs LHD.

22 Sep 2017 01:27:02
I think Ottawa might do this trade:
Ott: Ceci, 2nd, Nick Paul
Colorado: Duchene

Thoughts?

22 Sep 2017 17:10:47
Chabot.

22 Sep 2017 17:50:36
As a sens fan, I would take this and run. but to be honest, if sakics demands are as high as I believe you would have to replace Nick Paul with a legit top prospect. I'm okay with that as long as the names aren't Chabot or white, and the 2nd would likely have to be a first. otherwise sakic likely holds off, Duchene has this year and next on his contract. not really as much pressure for sakic to accept a low ball offer, yet imo.

22 Sep 2017 19:27:32
Not enough from sens, at least make the 2nd a 1st and it's not bad but still probably not enough. Nick Paul is nothing special and probably has no value so Ceci and a late 2nd isn't close to Duchene.

21 Sep 2017 02:16:01
My colorado/ Ottawa trade rumor.

Colorado- Matt Duchene
Ottawa- Cody ceci, Logan Brown, 1st.

21 Sep 2017 04:25:57
Not worth it from sens

21 Sep 2017 21:27:11
I would put ceci, change it to a second and put nick paul instead. Thoughts?

21 Sep 2017 02:13:24
My colorado/ columbus trade rumor.

Colorado- Matt Duchene
Columbus- Ryan Murray, Josh Anderson, 1st.

21 Sep 2017 22:42:21
Columbus turned a deal for those two for Duchene down within the last two days. (not sure if a pick was involved or not)

Sakic is messed. He needs to just deal Duchene and move on.

20 Sep 2017 02:45:35
Nathan Horton to AVS for future considerations

AVS rebuilding

Gives Leafs cap to sign young stars in offseason.

20 Sep 2017 04:32:47
Lol and Avs do this why?

20 Sep 2017 05:33:35
Lmao wtf did I actually just read.

20 Sep 2017 14:11:49
No incentive for avs to do this #1. And secondly most NHL contracts are insured for around 80% if the player has a career ending injury. Nathan Hortons was less than 20% insured because of his injury history, and he is owed 14.1 mill actual cash over the next 3 years. which means the team is paying him 11.5 mill out of there own pocket to have him not play. Not many owners are okay with doing this, the leafs are. Don't think the avs are, Unless you're giving them a top prospect to go with it. Dave bollands Contract was insured at 80% and it still cost the panthers Lawson Crouse to ditch it.

20 Sep 2017 14:50:44
Need to throw in like Kappy buddy. No ones taking Horton for free.

20 Sep 2017 15:56:08
Lol🙈🙈🙈.

20 Sep 2017 16:06:32
Leafs don't need to get rid of the contract, they are the wealthiest organization and the option to use this for LTIR is a nice loophole.

20 Sep 2017 23:46:04
This does nothing for Leafs. He doesn't count against cap and they can easily afford him.

17 Sep 2017 00:07:38
Ottawa: Chabot, Brown. 2018 1st

Colorado: Duchene

17 Sep 2017 02:19:54
ahhh. ya. huge no from sens. like its not even close.

17 Sep 2017 02:35:45
Take out brown.

17 Sep 2017 04:04:11
Ottawa says no but Sakic also declines cause he's stubborn.

17 Sep 2017 04:52:38
Lol. No from Ott. Wow.

17 Sep 2017 20:40:05
I don't think any teams would offer anything close to this for an old pending free agent.

17 Sep 2017 20:40:05
no from ottawa? you mean no from col for a bunch of unproven prospects.

18 Sep 2017 01:06:58
Ottawa would hopefully not do this.

19 Sep 2017 04:41:36
No great John he actually means no from ottawa in a big way. 2 elite prospects and a 1st round pick is far too much for duchesne let alone 1 of those prospects being Chabot lol. Face it the guy is not mcdavid or Crosby.

15 Sep 2017 09:19:36
Colorado Avalanche:
- C Matt Duchene
Calgary Flames:
- C Sam Bennett
- D Rasmus Andersson
- D Brett Kulak

Colorado Avalanche:
- LW Gabriel Landeskog
Carolina Hurricanes:
- D Jaccob Slavin
- RW Elias Lindholm

I think it's very fair and reasonable and Colorado kicks off their rebuild by getting young replacements and much needed young dmen

15 Sep 2017 14:48:53
Way way too much for Landy. He played terrible last year, and i wouldn't trade Slavvin at all. i'd say he's the most untouchable dman on the canes.

15 Sep 2017 18:10:28
1st is bad for COL, 2nd would never happen from CAR pov.

15 Sep 2017 18:43:41
Switch the offers around (ie Landry for Bennett, etc) and it might be more realistic.

15 Sep 2017 18:47:51
Just can't wait for the day that Duchene gets traded so i don't have to read any more trade proposals for him.

15 Sep 2017 22:28:50
Wow Canes get hosed big time lol.

15 Sep 2017 22:41:21
Anybody who trades for Duchene will regret it. If i was Calgary i WOULD NOT give that for him. He is a good player but Sakic is severely overating him.

15 Sep 2017 22:41:06
I like it, and one year doesn't defy a player's performance overall. They still have a ton of trade value but maybe if you switched the offers around. Calgary trading for Landy and Carolina trading for Duchene.

15 Sep 2017 22:47:39
Maybe J.Faulk for M.Duchene & R.Andersson + M.Jankowski + M.Stajan for G.Landeskog ?

10 Sep 2017 03:08:47
Nashville
- Mattias Ekholm
- Calle Jarnkrok
- 3rd

Colorado
- Matt Duchene

Makes Nashville good up the middle.

- Johansen -
- Duchene -
- Bonino -

Even if they wanted to invest in a cheap young center, they could always pry Sam Bennett outta Calgary for a comparable RW or a small package

10 Sep 2017 15:52:32
No way from Nashville. Have u seen Ekholm's contract! Freakin steal and a half. Plus they can't give him up since Ellis won't be back for 4-6 months.

10 Sep 2017 16:17:54
Lol no. With Ellis out now for a bit they aren't trading Ekholm. Colorado asked a month ago about ekholm and Nashville said no.

10 Sep 2017 18:00:15
Ekholm is under rated. I wouldn't do this from a Nashville side of things.

11 Sep 2017 01:51:14
I agree with all the Eckholm love. Very good, under rated player.

06 Sep 2017 23:37:18
COL: Duschene
CGY: Bennett, Valimaki, Anderson or Kylington

07 Sep 2017 14:08:16
Personally I'd rather wait to and give Bennett one more season to prove himself. And if we were giving up that much I'd rather it be for a RW. I don't thinks it's a bad offer though.

07 Sep 2017 15:35:10
Do the Flames really need anothe center though? I mean they already have a solid 1st line center in Monahan and a solid 2nd center in Backlund.

07 Sep 2017 20:39:31
Way too much from the Flames.

08 Sep 2017 05:45:20
That's not enough for duchene.

09 Sep 2017 16:31:21
Duchess is a cancer in the dressing room. No thanks.

06 Sep 2017 04:54:50
Colorado:
Ben Smith RW
Connor Carrick D
Eric Fehr RW
4th 2019

Toronto:
3rd 2018
3rd 2020

N.Y. Islanders:
James van Riemsdyk LW

Toronto:
1st 2019
2nd 2020 (conditional if he resigns)

Colorado:
1st 2018
Noah Juulsen D
Alex Galchenyuk RW

Montreal:
Matt Duchene C
3rd 2019

06 Sep 2017 05:11:18
Colorado is trying to collect young assets. Trading 2 picks for 3 players (one of which they placed on waivers last year) doesn't really make sense.

JVR should only be traded for a good upgrade on D in my opinion. If they can't get a Good young D for him I think they will keep him for the playoff run and depending on his demands, possibly re-sign him.

Earlier I would have said habs add, but the longer this duchene thing plays out, that might be the best they get. I'd say the 3rd going back to the habs might not happen though.

06 Sep 2017 11:34:30
The RW behind Galchenyuk shows your resignation about him😂.

28 Aug 2017 15:00:44
Detroit is in cap hell.

A few of their bad contracts include;

- Darren Helm
- Justin Abdelkader
- Jimmy Howard
- Jonathan Ericsson
- Johan Franzen

They also have some decent players who make too much, over too much time:

- Niklas Kronwall
- Danny DeKeyser
- Mike Green
- Frans Nielsen

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The team needs to understand that they need to rebuild, and start dumping these anchor contracts. By the end of this year, a few of these should be moved; as hard as it may be. Some may need to be traded for other anchor contracts, but those at less term.

Couple of trade ideas:

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Carl Soderberg to the Detroit Red Wings in exchange for Justin Abdelkader and a 2018 2nd Round Pick and a 2019 3rd Round Pick,

Both are anchors, but I believe that Abdelkader brings more value than Soderberg. Abdelkader has been good before, but his contract is bad. They are about the same contract dollar value, but Abdelkader has three extra years. that's why the second is involved. If Abdelkader turns himself around this year (something that most likely won't happen with Soderberg), the Avs may be able to retain money and deal him to a willing team) .

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Gustav Nyquist and Jonathan Ericsson and Johan Franzen and a 2018 3rd Round Pick to the Vancouver Canucks in exchange for Erik Gudbranson and Derek Dorsett.

Gudbranson in exchange for Nyquist and Ericsson and 3rd.
Dorsett in exchange for Franzen.

Detroit unloads a ton of cap (4 for Gustav, 4 for Ericsson, 3 for Johan) and takes only 5 between Gudbranson and Dorsett. Obviously they lose Nyquist, which is big, but they unload a lot of cap. Plus, they get Gudbranson, who they may trade at the deadline for some sort of value. Nyquist is worth more than him, and that is how Ericssons contract balances the weight out.

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Frans Nielsen to the Montreal Canadiens in exchange for Tomas Plekanec and Jacob De La Rose.

Frans Nielsen is OBVIOUSLY much better than Plekanec. However, Nielsen has an ENORMOUS contract ahead. However, due to his skill set and Montreals need for a decent centre (Nielsen scored 40 last year and could bounce up to 50). Trading him now would be the best bet for Detroit, as he is not considered to be an anchor of a contract. If they were to keep him, his contract may only get worse and worse. By making this deal, Montreal takes an incredible risk, as they bank on Nielsen staying healthy and good for at least the next three-four seasons.

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Mike Green and Darren Helm to the Las Vegas Golden Knights in exchange for Luca Sbisa and a 2018 5th Round Pick.

Green is a better dman than Sbisa, however, Helm WILL become a cap dump within his current contract. Green could be traded for a 1st at the deadline (if he produces), so that will make the trade worth it for Vegas. Sbisa isn't much honestly, but he may get like a 3rd/ 4th at the deadline.

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Idk. Something needs to give for Detroit. Are one or two of these deals plausible? Cause I do know that they all won't happen. But a few ARE possible. Idk.

28 Aug 2017 21:53:36
I see the trade with montreal possible, but idk what Nielsens contract looks like. but the other 3 trades are with teams that are in somewhat the same position as Detroit in terms of rebuilding, why would they want to take on bad contracts like these?

28 Aug 2017 23:36:06
Wow no from Vancouver, we don't want useless players in Ericsson and Franzen, just stop doing Canucks trades please. Also Soderberg is as much of a cap dump as abdelkader at this point, kinda useless trade.

30 Aug 2017 16:04:21
Well, for starters Johan is going on LTIR every year so you aren't getting anything for him and he's not really a hit on cap. For a rebuilding team, you don't really want to be giving up assets to unload bad contracts, in fact its likely the opposite. Look at what Arizona has been able to do. The beauty of rebuilding is you can wait out the bad deals because you don't need to gve anyone big raises, rebuilding teams shouldn't be giving up 2nds to dump a few extra years on a deal, wait to move the deal until you have to and wear down the negative value.

17 Aug 2017 08:02:39
AVS: Jarnkrok, fabbro, 1st

NSH: Duchene, 3rd round pick


Thoughts on this? I think good for both teams

17 Aug 2017 15:14:38
Yeah what about Byron + T. Mitchell + 10$ for Johansen . yeah that's totally fair for both teams.

17 Aug 2017 16:00:39
I actually think this could be close to realistic.

Nashville gives up their best D-prospect, a young Center who plays 3C but might be an ok 2C and a late first

For a 1st line Center in Duchene.

I see these two as trading partners, however I feel value wise this benefits Preds a little. So drop the 3rd and Preds add something small.

This looks close considering the ask is a young d-man. Nice job.

@KeyHabs Montreal can't do that anymore since they moved Sergachev, so Duchene isn't your teams answe but it might be for Nashville.

18 Aug 2017 11:26:52
KeyHabs, that comment made you look really stupid.

10 Aug 2017 02:41:29
Buffalo trades:
Girgensons,
McCabe,
Ghule,
Nylander

to Colorado for

Duchene

Please explain who needs to add or how to improve on this trade.

10 Aug 2017 05:53:42
For a sabres fan o assume due to your name why would u make this trade that's a hell of Lot.

10 Aug 2017 13:07:32
Thank you Mike13isback. I thought I may get some push back because there are not any top line players nor 1st round picks going to Colorado. IMO Girgensons is just hanging on because he had one good 3/ 4 season and was selected to an all star game (I would have liked to see Buffalo resign Grigorenko and trade Girgensons) . McCabe is the best player of the group, who would really hate to lose, but now appears to be a 2nd line D-man. Ghule appears to be the same. Nylander is a conundrum, is he a top line player or too small to play in the NHL? A year in the AHL and 4 games with the Sabres leads me to be it is the latter.

10 Aug 2017 15:39:14
can't be doubting Nylander already. 4 games and you think he's too small for the NHL? The kid has massive upside, pedigree and the way the league is now, he will be fine. He's listed at 6'1 179lbs, Marner is 6'0" 170. He's only a year removed from being drafted so he is in the exact spot Marner was a year ago. Marner just had 61 pts in his first 77 NHL games. Nylander could do get this year. If you're talented enough, and given a chance, the size means nothing anymore. I can only imagine what leaf fans would think if we traded Marner last year in a package for someone 8 years older and he did that for another team. Sabres have great pieces, just taking a little longer than hoped but they got to be patient with kids like Nylander.

10 Aug 2017 17:50:04
Unbiased Jim thanks for the comments. If Nylander is 6.1 there are a lot of 7 foot NHL players. He looked very small when I saw him play. That being said, I just wanted to see what other people thought of the trade. As I said above I thought other contributors would think I was offering too little. BTW yes the rebuild is taking WAY too long, IMO Murray could hardly have done worse job rebuilding. Five years ago, hockey sports writers voted buffalo to win the cup this year, now I think they are predicting the Sabres to miss the playoffs this year. Not a very productive rebuild. Murray mis-handled so many assets, drafted poorly, asked for too much when trading Stewart and Moulson, and gave away too much in other trades.

10 Aug 2017 23:45:01
Not terrible but seems like a bit too much from Buffalo for someone they don't exactly really need. Avs take this imo. Nylander is a top prospect for Buffalo and Guhle probably is their best defensive prospect. McCabe is no slouch either, seems like a good young top 6 D, potential top 4 guy for you. Girgensons probably doesn't have much value in this deal but would be an ok bottom 6 guy. Sabres already have a solid top 6 forward group of Eichel, Reinhart, ROR, Okposo, Kane (probably will walk next year) ( (Nylander and Middlestat coming up within the next few season) ) . Sabres should target someone like a Tyson Barrie (puck moving top 4 Dman) instead of a Duchene (1st line/ top 6 forward) .

09 Aug 2017 22:20:32
Buffalo:
M. Duchene C
E. Johnson D

Colorado:
Z. Bogosian D
A. Nylander LW
E. Kane RW
1st 2018
2nd 2019

10 Aug 2017 02:15:59
Don't see the pieces the avs want. They wanted young D with high potential. They're getting a decent Dman on a big contract that's older than they wanted, 1 year of Kane who could be more of a headache than he's worth, 1st and 2nd would have to have no conditions meaning the first could be a lottery, and obviously Nylander is a great piece.

10 Aug 2017 16:21:27
I think that's an overpayment from Buffalo. also, Like Jim says, don't see what Avs want there either. they want young D.

11 Aug 2017 14:22:53
Nylander
Guhle
McCabe
Pu
1st-2018

for
Duchene
Johnson

This doesn't help next year but the Av's are rebuilding and this helps.

09 Aug 2017 17:10:28
COL: Milano, savard, 1st

CBJ: duchene

Then

WIN: Dubois

CBJ: trouba

Lines:

Panarin duchene Anderson
Foligno wennberg Atkinson
Jenner Dubinsky bjorkstrand
Calvert sedlak shroeder

Werenski Jones
Johnson Trouba
Nutivaara Murray

Bobrovski

Thoughts on this? I think they could go for the cup for sure

09 Aug 2017 18:28:37
In no way does aprospect land you trouba who had a really bad D+1.

10 Aug 2017 22:50:57
Trouba is gone instantly if pld is offered.

06 Aug 2017 20:22:10
3 team trade. Vegas is sitting just under 6 mill under the cap with 11 nhl d men signed this year. 8 of them being 28 or younger. Colorado has 3 nhl d men signed right now. Montreal needs a center. Complicated trade. Lol.

So, vegas sends 2 d men to Colorado under 28.

Montreal sends 3 draft picks to vegas.

Montreal gets Dushene. Montreal also sends goalie Mcnevien to Colorado.

So Colorado gets 2 nhl d men under 28 and goalie Mcnevien.

Vegas gains some cap space and 3 draft picks. And Mobtreal gets Dushene for ots center

07 Aug 2017 00:14:10
Which d men?

07 Aug 2017 05:15:28
What the hell is this?

07 Aug 2017 11:41:30
this is a train wreck,

07 Aug 2017 22:26:44
Doesn't even matter what D men it is, this is brutal.

08 Aug 2017 01:10:56
Random den lol.

08 Aug 2017 15:43:31
Vegas has signed this year 3 veteran d men. Plus these 8. Luca sbisa age 27, nate schmidt 26, brayden mcnabb 26, john merrili 25, vokin miller 24, shea theadore 22, griffan reinhart 23, and brad hunt 28. So that's 11 nhl d men signed this year. Colorado currently has 3 signed.

08 Aug 2017 15:44:35
So leafs make a trade for McDavid.

Toronto has a lot of forwards signed under contract. Edmonton only 1 head coach so Toronto trades a couple of forwards 1 defensman and a few draft picks for McDavid.

08 Aug 2017 22:06:26
Makes perfect sense.

09 Aug 2017 17:09:56
Col has 3 signed in Barrie, Johnson and barberio, plus zadorov is an rfa, whose new deal hopefully is announced within the next week. Plus with mironov signed, who's played the last 5 years in the K, that's 5. Plus they're going to give a number of young guys a look in bigras, lindholm, Siemens and meloche. Just because the avs don't have one way contracts doesn't mean they don't have defenseman. They may not be the best, but a hell of a lot better than trading duchene for a couple of journeyman. Also there are plenty of these quality defenseman that are still free agents, so why trade for them? When someone like franson, polak or jokipakka can be had for nothing?

27 Jul 2017 21:10:09
WPG: Conner & Trouba

Col: Duchesne

28 Jul 2017 00:16:21
In no way would Winnipeg ever accept that.

03 Aug 2017 15:10:15
Ugh. Connor and Trouba for Duchesne u must be delirious. It would be giving steak dinners for a gourmet burger. Duchesne is a flake and should just stay where he is.

25 Jul 2017 08:27:17
COL: valimaki, poirer, 1st round pick

CAL: duchene


Gaudreau monahan duchene
Tkachuk backlund frolik
Versteeg bennet brouwer
Lazar stajan ferland

Giordano Hamilton
Brodie hamonic
Kulak stone

Smith


Good trade?

Calgary could make a run for the cup possibly

25 Jul 2017 13:49:58
Valimaki and a 1st would be needed. But that third piece can't be a a 22 year old winger with 8 NHL games. They wanted a first, a top D prospect (valimaki) and a young NHLer. 8 games over 4 years since being drafted isn't that.

26 Jul 2017 17:12:48
If that's not enough, it explains why duchene hasn't been dealt. He is not worth the desired asking price.

31 Jul 2017 21:12:31
Lol, what first round pick?

24 Jul 2017 07:53:17
3 team trade

Pittsburgh Järnkrok
Gets 3rd line center on great contract

Nashville Duchene
Gets 2nd line center

Colorado Määtä + Daniel Sprong+ 1st rounder from Nashville
Gets young top dman + prospect and pick.

What do you think?

24 Jul 2017 09:12:24
Pittsburgh loses this so bad.

24 Jul 2017 09:17:45
How on earth does Pittsburgh pay Maatta and sprong and only get back jarnkrok? No way Pittsburgh will do this. and in fact Nashville gets Duchene for only Jarnkrok and probably a late 1st? In this trade Nashville robs Pittsburgh in my opinion.

24 Jul 2017 12:13:47
Must admit that i maybe don't know Sprongs value.
Järnkrok is underrated regarding skill and have a great contract.
Is offensivly talented and would fit great as 3rd line center.
Määtä feels expendable with letang-dumoulin and schultz-cole as top 4.

24 Jul 2017 15:33:59
Preds get a steal, pens get ripped off and avs could do worse, but could definitely do better on duchene too.

24 Jul 2017 18:18:41
If it was a slight upgrade from Nashville I think it would be not bad. Fabbro instead of the 3rd?

25 Jul 2017 01:09:15
Ebs, There was no 3rd from Nashville. They traded jarnkrok and their first (should be late) and got duchene lol. It's bad.

25 Jul 2017 01:36:06
Yeah I misread that. But Jarnkrok, Fabbro and a 1st isn't all that bad is it? Pittsburg could use a good D prospect so it might be enough to make them bite. It's not realistic but that one change makes it a lot closer IMO.

25 Jul 2017 15:00:34
Yeah. It makes it a lot closer.

26 Jul 2017 13:37:28
With the changes to this trade, as proposed by ebs, what isthe purpose of Pittsburgh being involved?
Jarnkrok Fabbro and a 1st should be a package Colorado would be interested in for Duchene.

21 Jul 2017 15:55:27
Bruins Trade :
-David Krejci
-Adam McQuaid

Nashville Trades:
-Ryan Ellis

trade 2

Bruins Trade
-Brandon Carlo
-Malcolm Subban
-Austin Czarnik

Colorado Trades
-Matt Duchene
-2017 2nd.

21 Jul 2017 16:29:16
I doubt Nashville will take on the Krejci contract to be honest. They also have their C in Bonino (also on a big-ish contract) .

As a Bruins fan, I'd hate to see trade 2. We are trying to build defense, because we have none, and the idea that they'd trade a high potential guy like Carlo for yet another center is so stupid in my opinion.

21 Jul 2017 16:30:43
The second trade is good but the first is horrible.

21 Jul 2017 16:39:33
Preds aren't going to trade any of their Top 4 Defenseman group that carried them deep into the playoffs and especially not for two old veterans. They won't even trade them for Duchene for that matter. So your first trade essentially is unbelievable.

The second trade doesn't look like it's enough for Duchene let alone AVs adding the pick. Duchene straight up is worth more then the package you offered. Not as insane as Sakic wants mind you but definitely more then what you proposed.

22 Jul 2017 04:44:32
If Preds trade a top four D it would be for a way better center than Kricji in my opinion.
And Ellis is more valuable than him anyways.

22 Jul 2017 13:42:41
COLORADO offered Duchene for Carlo straight up and Bruins declined. If anyone wants to argue this I can find a source.

 
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