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11 Dec 2018 07:18:16
Just a shot in the dark on this one.

To STL

Travis Zajac
Pavel Zacha
Michael McLeod
John Quennville
2ND Round Pick in 2019
1st Round Pick in 2020

To NJD

Vladimir Tarasenko
Colton Parayko

11 Dec 2018 09:26:02
I can tell you’re a Devils fan, my god. I’m going to give you a lesson here, quantity does NOT equal quality. That package doesn’t get you Tarasenko OR Parayko, let alone both together.

11 Dec 2018 12:28:05
I’d bet anything that package would get one of them. That’s definitely a lot better then what Karlsson got And Kessel.

11 Dec 2018 14:29:50
Blues say no. Quantity doesn't equal quality. If nj, wants parayko think hall.

11 Dec 2018 15:12:50
Hall for Paryanko, Thomas, Kyrou And 1st?

11 Dec 2018 16:04:44
No who is parayko.

Blues once again ate not trading our best players for a bunch of lesser pieces.

05 Dec 2018 16:18:21
New jersey will butcher

Montreal phoeling,mete,byron

Would new jersey consider?

05 Dec 2018 17:14:16
Possibly yes but montreal wouldn't.

05 Dec 2018 23:21:05
Mtl would never do this in 100 years.

06 Dec 2018 02:10:32
would new jersey consider this? if they were offered this i'm sure they'd take this and run. the real question is why would montreal offer this?

06 Dec 2018 03:41:22
I would like this if it was Byron and like a late 2nd for butcher but this package is definitely way to much.

29 Nov 2018 21:11:41
Chicago: Keith +2nd
toronto: Gardiner, Kapenen, 3rd

Chicago: Anisimov
NJD: 3rd, 5th

Chicago: Crawford+ 3rd
Philly: Hart +2nd

Chicago: Seabrook (50% Retained)
Boston: Vladar + 2nd.

29 Nov 2018 23:23:25
Why is Philly giving the better pick with Hart?!

30 Nov 2018 00:04:04
Toronto shouldn't take Keith contract, and Kapanen is at an all time high in value.

New Jersey may do that, but they have decently good centre depth (Hischier/ Zajac/ McLeod/ Zacha/ / Boyle) and ZAjac is a huge contract altogether, probably don't want Anisimov as well.

Philly is bankinh on Hart, i don't think they take a gamble on an older goalie for him.

And idk about the last one. Seabrook at 50 is decent imo.

30 Nov 2018 00:48:29
Interesting you bringing up Keith what with the discussion about Pietrangelo below. Less than 2 years ago Keith came 4th in Norris trophy voting. Now nobody believes he is anywhere near top 50 even and that once sweet contract of his is a boat anchor. It just shows how fast a player can fall down the rankings and deteriorate in performance. Another great example is Karlsson. Once considered the best defenseman in the world not long ago, Karlsson should not be taken seriously as a top 10 defender in the NHL anymore.

I guess age eventually captures up with everyone.

17 Nov 2018 09:13:11
Worst GM in the league - Peter Chiarelli

EDM: Hall (2018 MVP)
NJ: Larsson

EDM: 15th Overall Pick 2015 (Barzal), 33rd Overall Pick 2015 (NYI moves up a bit but basically it was Beauvillier)
NYI: Reinhard (bust and taken by Vegas in the expansion draft)

EDM: Eberle
NYI: Strome (just got traded for Spooner)

2016: Signed Lucic to a 7 year $42M contract

I feel bad for Oilers fans - McDavid is great but your team won't get any better until Chiarelli is fired

17 Nov 2018 11:19:15
So which Gm do they hire to replace him that automatically makes the team better?

17 Nov 2018 12:04:10
Certainly Makes you wounder what could have been. can also add “what if Yakupov wasn’t a total bust” to that conversation.

17 Nov 2018 13:21:52
Nuge McDavid Barzel
Hall Drai _____
Would have been amazing

You forgot to mention part of the Eberle deal Was to free up a couple mil to over pay a few guys $500K each.
The 2018 MVP was actually McDavid. The MVP to his team was Hall tho. That's just the literal definition of the trophy not my words. Not down playing it just calling it what it is.

Since this topic has been beaten to death. Can anyone name all the good deal he has made? Or do we only focus on the bad deals. Petty sure we only focus on the bad tho.

17 Nov 2018 15:17:08
I agree I’d hire Dean Lombardi can’t be any worse then Charlie.

17 Nov 2018 15:43:21
I'd call up Yzerman and Coach Q. Ask if they're interested. Lol. Dream team there.

17 Nov 2018 17:32:53
Chiarelli is the reason why Bergevin even after the Weber trade is not the worst GM in the league imo.

17 Nov 2018 17:56:25
Even when I was on this topic before I said the Talbot deal was good. He hasn’t been great lately but never gave up roster players, good prospects or a 1st round pick and got a prime aged goalie who really looked like the solution for a while. Was fantastic in year 1.

Beyond that, I’m really not sure on any good ones. Lots of okay signings and small moves that never really made a big impact good or bad.

And for a replacement, Dean Lombardi is an obvious one, also Mike Futa has been on pretty much every short list of interviews I've seen for the last cpl years, but hasn’t been hired so I dunno what to think of that. He has been in LAs front office for a long time but only an AGM for a year or 2.

17 Nov 2018 18:39:44
Idk what the point of this post was so? But oilers need to hire some young wiz to be our gm similar to what Toronto has in Dubas.

17 Nov 2018 22:03:23
The same dean Lombardi who traded wayne simmonds and brayden schern for mike Richards or martin jones colin miller and a 1st for milan lucic?

17 Nov 2018 22:34:03
@habby, to be fair that dean lombardi won 2 cups after trading for mike Richards and he was a big part of them. With the lucic one, he was trying to milk Another cup out of that core and missed the mark for sure but had the sense to let him walk rather than give him the term he got. He wanted to keep him, lucic wanted to stay but he wouldn’t go more than 4 years, something I’m sure oilers fans wish PC said too.

Most fan basis would be okay making a bad deal here or there if the trade off was cups. He traded for gavorik and signed him there too, but he lead the league in scoring when they won the second cup. PC can’t say that with any of the bad moves in Edmonton and doesn’t look like he will be able to soon either. That’s the big difference I see.

18 Nov 2018 10:12:07
@ jim yeah Lombardi was a good Gm I'm just trying to show every gm has made bad moves. Even the almighty Stevie y made that Coburn trade. let's just say PC didn't make the eberle and hall trades then they would be about 5 mil over the cap now would have probably meant not being able to resign nurse. so I guess nurse and larsson for hall looks a little better lol.

18 Nov 2018 14:06:40
Yea and if he didn’t sign lucic to a boat anchor of a contract he could have kept them all.

18 Nov 2018 18:42:16
All GMs have good and bad moves, you’re right. It’s just the ratio with him that puts him in the conversation of worst. He’s had a cpl small wins, a bunch of close to evens and more than a handful of catastrophic losses. And then when it’s a known thing that he’s ‘easy to deal with’ from agents in the league apparently, that makes more sense. Was probably easy for Lucics agent to talk him into 7 years when that same dean lombardi said max 3 and then went a little outside his comfort zone to 4 years. All I do to judge a guys job is look what they had when they arrived, and look what they have today. He has a far less talented team, less high end assets to correct that and far less cap space than when he arrived. The only sure fire thing he has that’s better than anyone else is Mcdavid and you get no credit for drafting him or signing him because someone who never followed the NHL in their lives would have done that. Just like shanahan and Lou get no credit for Matthews. Pens GM gets no credit for Sid etc. It’s the other stuff that matters and it’s not good with him.

12 Nov 2018 22:15:31
At the deadline:

NJ: Boyle
WPG: 2nd Round Pick 2019, Lipon

Jersey gets back almost the same package Tampa got for Boyle a couple years ago. Also he's a UFA at the end of the year.

Winnipeg gets another big strong C that can play 4th line in the hardest division. Centres would go: Scheifele, Little, Lowry, Boyle

12 Nov 2018 23:13:50
I don't think Boyle is worth a second given his health issues.

13 Nov 2018 00:20:27
Value would be okay and give us pretty good depth.

08 Nov 2018 18:03:15
Oilers are close. They need a pure goal scorer, but they can’t get one as long as Lucic’s contract is on the roster. Plus, they do need a Defenceman. It would be great to get a puck moving Defenceman, but this is too much for now and Bouchard and Bear or one of them is probably here next season.

Proposed trades:
Carolina or New Jersey: 3rd Round pick (Both teams have space)
Oilers: Lucic + 1 st Round pick (Not big hickey markets and Lucic would appreciate that)

Sens: Stone (UFA and won’t sign with them. Oilers will do this if signed before trade)
Oilers: Puljujärvi (a lot of potential and Sens are rebuilding. Also, they have gotten worse returns for Hoffman and Karlsson. Puljujarvi is a much better return)

Panthers: Petrovic (UFA and would sign with Oilers as he is from Edmonton)
Oilers: Benning + 3rd Round Pick

Line up:
RNH - McDavid- Ratty
Raider - Drai - Stone (two scoring lines now)
Caggiula - Strome - Chaison
Kairha - Brodziak - Kassian

Klefbom - Larson
Nurse - Petrovic
Gravel - Russell (Gravel replaced after Sekera is back. If in good form, Sekera will be a great boost to the defence)

08 Nov 2018 18:59:10
I think Ottawa will want more than just puli for Stone. Even without an extension, there will be a lineup of teams willing to pay a good prospect and maybe a bit more for stone as a rental at the deadline.

08 Nov 2018 19:24:14
I don't think they are that close

Having McDavid hides a lot of blemishes. especially in a small sample size.

08 Nov 2018 23:19:00
Unbiased Jim,
The Sens want a better return, it doesn’t they will.
Look at what the got for both Hoffman and Karlsson. Puljujarvi is a win for them compared to the other returns.

08 Nov 2018 23:20:42
Unsportsmanlike, I said they are closer. Never said they could win the cup.
McDavid does so much for the team. He has RNH.
The oilers need someone for Drai. When he was with Hall or McDavid, his production sky rocketed. That is why Stone will be an amazing addition.

09 Nov 2018 00:05:01
I’ve tried to think of good scoring wingers that wouldn’t cost a ton to acquire for oilers, Tyler Toffoli is rumoured to be available too, and I always try to work Lucic into a deal for cap relief. It’s 5 more years at $6mill! I was thinking it had been longer. I know he liked LA and they liked him, but they wouldn’t give the term. I believe they offered $7 mill but wouldn't go over 4 years at the time. So no way they take on 5 more years of him 2 years later. I Just think toffoli could be a decent fit but Lucic would have to go somewhere in another deal and he would get to say no to being buried somewhere crappy. Tough one.

09 Nov 2018 00:12:30
And Sens didn’t get good value for Karlsson, I agree. But he wasn’t with an extension, you’re saying this is with an extension for Stone. And as underwhelming as the Karlsson pkg was, I think oilers would take it for puli lol so he’s not a better return than they got for Karlsson.

Puli for Demelo, Tierney, Balcers, Norris (recent 1st), 1st rd pick, 2nd rd pick, 2nd rd pick (plus another conditional 1st that 99% they will not get so ignore this one)? If Chiarelli said no to that one, it confirms everything I already know about him lol.

09 Nov 2018 04:18:05
Stone would be a great addition for Edmonton but it might take more, not sure. Jim LA is looking for speed, whether they liked Lucic or not it just wouldn’t happen.

24 Nov 2018 16:59:38
You guys really need to share what ever you are smoking when you post this crap.

02 Nov 2018 17:08:28
Leafs have been bad in their zone this year and with so much (potential) offence up front we can spare some on the back end

Gardiner.J, 4th-2019
for
Lovejoy.B, 2nd-2019

Both are UFA's at the end of the season. Devils can use offence from the back end and Lovejoy is a RHD with playoff experience who is more of a defensive dman.

Re Sign
Nylander 7 years
Years 1-3 $ 6 mil
Years 4-5 $ 7 mil
Years 6-7 $ 8 mil

Brown-Matthews-Nylander
Hyman-Tavares-Marner
Marleau-Kadri-Kapanen
Johnson-Gauthier-Lindholm
Ennis

Reilly-Hainsey
Zaitsev-Oz
Dermott-Lovejoy
Holl

02 Nov 2018 17:30:26
Any trade involving Gardiner is a good trade. Not sure if Leafs would take another pending UFA in return. Maybe wanting futures if they trade Gardiner. But Lovejoy would be cheaper to re-sign and we upgrade our pick. Dubas, make this trade.

23 Oct 2018 21:11:20
to Ottawa
Severson

to NJ
Ryan
Lajoie

Bobby Ryan playing with Taylor Hall might make his cap hit seem a lot less bad, which it already wouldn't be for a team with as much room as the Devils. Severson is cost controlled for a long time and has somewhat proven himself to be dependable, and although he is prone to mistakes, Ottawa would be wise to stock up on players with his pedigree. Lajoie will more or less fill the hole he leaves on the power play, and may develop into one of the Devils cornerstone defensemen if his early play is indicative of his actual skill set.

Perhaps one team includes a pick or some asset.

24 Oct 2018 13:27:16
What?

Severson>Lajoie

Nothing>>>>>>>>>>>Ryan

Severson is better then Lajoie because he is prove to be a top 4 RHD. Lajoie has been doing well this year but I don't trade for a guy because of a 10 game sample lol.

13 Nov 2018 00:05:35
not bad.

20 Oct 2018 11:49:46
Devils:
-LW Marcus Johansson
-C/RW Mikey McLeod
-2019 1st round

Leafs
-C/RW William Nylander

20 Oct 2018 13:48:25
Hell no from devils Nylander even with a 6×6 contract is not worth Mcleoud and a first so forgetabout adding Johanson.

20 Oct 2018 17:11:46
Ya, way too much, people thinking nylander is a superstar when he's just a above average player. not like he's a great two way player, 1 dementional winger, stop thinking he's worth a ransom when other teams know his contract demands, they aren't going to give a lot to over pay a good player.

20 Oct 2018 20:46:33
None of those pieces provide any value to the leafs.

20 Oct 2018 22:56:52
It’s close.

McLeod is highly rated, but unproven, prospect player, while Johansson is pending UFA coming back from nasty concussion. The 1st is what it is.

Jersey is loaded in talented forward prospects, so may be willing to move McLeod for someone that can contribute immediately. This is probably reasonably close to what Leafs can expect in terms of a package of picks/ prospects.

20 Oct 2018 23:50:12
Nobody should give any value to the leafs vb or whatever your name is, do you honestly think Nylander is worth much or can you just not see through them Toronto glasses.

21 Oct 2018 01:46:55
Well I mean McLeod and the 1st could potentially never play a game in the NHL and Johanson has negative value IMO he’s not worth his contract. So leafs could be potential be giving a PPG + player for virtually nothing of concrete value obviously the 1st is nice but McLeod doesn’t fit in at all. Wouldn’t be surprised if he can put up 90 points eventually in the right situation he reminds me very much of Paniran and it’s likely he’s better in the future comparing statistics.

21 Oct 2018 08:42:26
classic VB.

22 Oct 2018 04:28:56
My only question is if leafs don't think nylander is worth $8 per year. then why do they think he is worth that such in a trade.

22 Oct 2018 15:15:56
I believe he will be worth 9.5 million on a long term contract but I wouldn’t pay him that if I were the leafs I could see him pulling a Seguin.

22 Oct 2018 18:58:12
Hold on a second, i need to sit down. am i reading it correctly that you think Nylander is worth $9.5M/ year on a long term contract?

10 Oct 2018 19:24:15
New Jersey signs William Nylander to 8.1M x 7 years offer sheet, giving up a first, second and third round pick to toronto

anything much higher and they'd have to give up another first rounder.

10 Oct 2018 19:42:02
Wouldn't that still cost more then a 1st 2nd and3rd.

10 Oct 2018 19:43:44
If the offer is for more than 5 years, then you take the total contract amount and divide it by 5 years.

So, in this case it would be $56.7÷5=$11.34/ year. That would be 4 first round picks which I'm sure the Leafs would gladly accept.

10 Oct 2018 20:03:52
yikes I didn't realize that was a thing with offer sheets-- maybe let's say 8.25 x 5 years instead haha.

10 Oct 2018 20:04:03
Yeah, I’ll take 4 NJD 1st rounders for Nylander. Then draft another high skill winger with one, a Dman with one and shop for a RHD with the other 2.

10 Oct 2018 20:12:28
Nylander is looking for max years and money. If he’s not willing to budge off his 7-8 year term to stay in Toronto I doubt he does for New Jersey, but who knows.

28 Sep 2018 20:37:38
to New Jersey
Carrick

to Toronto
4th.

28 Sep 2018 20:46:29
I would take it. I think that’s being pretty hopeful from a leafs standpoint though.

01 Oct 2018 03:58:46
Yes. Dump Carrick for whatever we can get for him. I don’t even know why we bothered to re-sign him. He is never going to make the team full time. Trade him now while we can get something, anything, for him.

04 Sep 2018 15:19:16
Mtl: Gallagher

Devils: Zacha


Devils gets a good winger to complemented Hischier and hall and mtl gets a good young center to rebuild

05 Sep 2018 21:31:55
No from MTL, we're not losing our heart for that.

30 Aug 2018 13:29:36
NJ: Karlsson (extended)
OTT: Palmieri, Smith, 1st 2019

30 Aug 2018 18:07:16
Ywp. your delusional.

06 Sep 2018 17:00:02
Not a chance.

30 Aug 2018 01:06:47
Montreal:
Patch

New Jersey:
Zacha, 2019 2nd

30 Aug 2018 16:27:44
Really don’t see why NJ makes this trade.

30 Aug 2018 21:40:53
The only position that NJ couldn’t possibly upgrade is LW (Taylor Hall) and that’s what you suggest they spend assets on?

31 Aug 2018 02:44:20
Hockey is more than a 1 line game. There depth at LW drops off quite a bit after hall.

31 Aug 2018 02:56:43
Like honestly that is such a dumb thing to say. The Penguins have Crosby so they shouldn't spend money on malkin. The lightning have Herman so they shouldn't trade for karlsson. The leafs had Matthews so they shouldn't have signed Tavares. need I go on. This is basically what you are saying.

31 Aug 2018 15:32:12
What he’s trying to say @Pittsburghs finnest is that it isn’t smart to spend assets on a strong point in your roster when you have multiple glaring needs. Useally teams upgrade strong points internally unless if freak situations like Tavares and RHD is probably Tampa’s biggest position of need tbh. If Malkin and Karlsson hit the trade market a team like Edmonton isn’t going to give up a lot of their assets for Malkin when they already have Drais and RNH and they desperately need defense.

31 Aug 2018 15:41:05
Jerseys other best two young players after Hiescher is Jesper Bratt and Miles Wood. Both left shot LW. They are far from a perfect team, but LW is the least of their concern. It’s not that dumb of a thing to say. Centre, Defense and Goalie are a little different than wingers lol Patches wanted 8 years $8 mill apparently, even if that’s not true and wants $7 mill, why have him behind hall?! Hall is going to be the go to guy on LW in all situations. If you have Centre depth, they can go to a wing for PP or goalie out late in game situations. Patches is a LW, nothing else.

31 Aug 2018 15:44:45
And from your examples.

Pens drafted Crosby and Malkin. Didn’t trade assets in a build for them

Leafs drafted Matthews and signed JT as a UFA, did t trade assets during a build for them

Hedman is a LD, Karlsson is a RD. That makes a lethal top pair, not in each other’s way. That makes my point exactly, why not get an elite RW to play with hall and Hiescher?

31 Aug 2018 23:24:10
Hall outscored the second highest scoring player on the team by 41 pts. That player is a 19 year old C who has also played left wing. The other two surprising youngsters were Jesper Bratt and Miles Wood. Both Left shot LWs! Lol Spend assets to give the team some diverse players and give Hall someone to play with. Not Create an expensive block for 2 cheap young players making good strides.

29 Aug 2018 19:15:25
to New Jersey
Karlsson
Ryan

to Ottawa
Zacha
Severson
1st
2nd

I feel that the addition of Ryan will reduce the expected return, but New Jersey is both his home as well as a team that can certainly afford him, as well as EK.

29 Aug 2018 20:48:00
Zacha's a bust.

30 Aug 2018 02:36:39
Would not say Zacha is a bust but he was certainly a reach good future 2 way 2c.

06 Sep 2018 17:03:04
Leave for a month and come back to more trashing Ottawa trades got to love it. it'll take far more than a b prospect a bust and 2 late in their round picks to land the worlds best defenceman si keep dreaming.

23 Aug 2018 21:33:20
New Jersey Devils:

Mikhail Maltsev
Travis Zajac (15%)
1st Round Pick 2019
2nd Round Pick 2019
2nd Round Pick 2020


St. Louis Blues:

Ryan O’Reilly



NJD Lineup: Top6

Hall - Hischier - Palmieri

Johansson - O’Reilly - Bratt.

23 Aug 2018 22:25:05
So no from blues. lol.

23 Aug 2018 23:31:30
C/ mon! Why would the Blues trade O'Reilly after they just traded for him.

23 Aug 2018 23:51:32
st louis trades for orielly because they are in win now mode only to flip him before he skates for for them for futures?

nhl fanny more like it.

24 Aug 2018 00:46:55
That's stupid. Seriously stupid blues needed a center traded a few non essential pieces for him. Now they should trade him to mid for that crap. Lol your funny guy.

24 Aug 2018 00:48:55
So why did the Blues jus get him then?

27 Aug 2018 00:47:21
So I guess the one person disagreeing with sensible comments is the guy who posted this treasure of a proposal.

23 Aug 2018 08:45:57
Detroit Trades: Jonathan Ericsson (2 years, 4.250 million)

New Jersey Trades: 3rd 2019 (ANA), Conditional 3rd 2020 (2nd if Devils Re-sign Ericsson)

Detroit reason: Clears cap and makes room for Hronek or Hicketts to crack the roster.

New Jersey Reason:Gets Veteran Swedish Defenseman to help mentor and anchor Severson. Fills the gap left by Moore and they have enough cap space to try him out for this year and next.

Is the value fair? Too much? Too little?

23 Aug 2018 13:18:47
Don’t usually see ‘condition on signing’ with 2 years left. That would be entering his final season, deadline of final season or trading his rights after the season.

23 Aug 2018 15:40:55
Eww no from NJ, Wings are stuck with Ericsson.

25 Aug 2018 04:56:14
Thanks for the feedback.

@unbiasedjim You make a good point about conditions. Maybe the condition could be play related.

@Hotguybabes

Ericsson is a decent Defenseman who may succeed with a change of scenery. Also his term is much lower which makes his contract more tolerable. New Jersey also has cap space and a need for Defenseman. Adding depth like Ericsson for picks can certainly help them push to make the playoffs again. They may not go far but deeper defense can help get you I’m.

21 Aug 2018 21:07:23
Oil: Caggiula

Devils: Quennville.

22 Aug 2018 00:26:28
for what purpose?

22 Aug 2018 18:09:42
Why nawt like what are ya sayin.

14 Aug 2018 03:20:09
to New Jersey
DeKeyser (800k retained)

to Detroit
Santini

New Jersey gets a decent defenseman who they can fit into their defense while having expanses of space to fit him, while Detroit removes one of the many egregious salaries it owes. NJ could also be a good candidate for Abdelkader, but probably couldn't fit the both of them.

14 Aug 2018 19:14:01
As a Wings fan, I wouldn't hate this but would just prefer picks/ prospects.

Santini is 23, not sure his upside. So not overly thrilled.

Also I doubt NJD wants Dekeyser's contract. They may actually prefer Ericsson and his lower term.

20 Jul 2018 19:16:22
Devils: 2019 3rd round pick, LW John Quenneville

Red Wings: RW Johann Franzen, RW Gustav Nyquist

Wings still need to bring back Dylan Larkin and add 3 more roster players with only 7m in cap when Franzen goes on LTIR. Devils provide some wiggle room and send over a prospect

 
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