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21 Apr 2018 06:14:00
Edmonton Oilers: Leon Draisaitl
Philadelphia Flyers: Shayne Gostisphere, Travis Konency

Tell me what you think?

21 Apr 2018 07:00:25
big no from Oilers.

21 Apr 2018 14:12:53
Not commenting on value but fun fact Shayne Gostisphere only had 5 less points in the same amount of games as a defencman then Leon Draisaitl ( a winger/ Center frequently playing with McDavid.

21 Apr 2018 19:36:51
Why is there 2 ‘disagrees’ on VBBs post? lol it’s not debatable, it’s a fact. Ghost had 65 pts in 78 games. Leon had 70.

21 Apr 2018 19:39:26
Edmonton would say no, but I’ve said it before, that Drasaitl contract could be a rough one down the road. In comparison to the lucic one, taking age, position and potential into account, it looks like a steal. But comparing him to elite players his own age with great production who have also got long term contracts, it’s really high.

13 Apr 2018 03:04:50
Flyers have cap space for 2018-19 and potentially need a third line centre until prospects can come up. They also need another RHD prospect and scoring winger prospects and have an abundance of LHD players and prospects (Sanheim, Morin, Hagg, Provorov, Gostisbehere).

Dallas desperately needs secondary scoring from resilient (non-injury prone) players.

Ottawa needs prospects - lots of them.

Trade 1:
DAL: Simmonds ($3.975MM NTC until 2019)
PHI: 2018 1st (13th overall), 2018 2nd, 2018 CHI 4th, Jason Spezza ($7.5MM until 2019 M-NTC/NMC) (cap dump)
Simmonds accepts because he'll want a new deal in a state tax free jurisdiction and Dallas has cap space. Spezza accepts because the Flyers are in the playoffs this year and present a better opportunity to win next year)

Trade 2:
PHI: 2018 1st (2nd overall)
OTT: STL 2018 1st (14th overall), PHI 2018 (19th overall), Sam Morin, Mike Vecchione
(Morin is NHL ready and would've been on the roster but for Travis Sanheim, Dave Hakstol, and 2 injuries. Vecchione is NHL ready with a 3C ceiling)

Flyers draft:
2nd overall: Andrei Svechnikov or Brady Tkachuk
13th overall: Bode Wilde, Ryan Merkeley, or Grigori Denisenko

13 Apr 2018 05:55:22
haven't gostisbehere and provorov played the last 2-3 seasons?

13 Apr 2018 06:30:40
Tkatchuk 2nd overall yikes man better options! But fits their org mold for sure. Also for sure not trading Vecchione, guy chose to sign there they won’t trade him.

13 Apr 2018 12:26:54
Dallas won’t trade that pick as they are hosting the draft. And imo that’s not enough to move up to 2nd overall.

13 Apr 2018 15:55:40
PKane88: yes, Provorov has been playing for 2 years and Ghost for 3 years. That's why I said players and prospects.

McJesus: I've seen Tkachuk as high as second but on average 4th overall. I haven't seen Tkachuk, Svechnikov etc play so I trust draft boards. The only consensus I've seen in this draft is Dahlin = 1st overall.

I'll disagree on Vecchione. He signed before last year's draft lottery and Nolan Patrick occupying a spot in the lineup. I think Hextall sees Vorobyev as higher than Vecchione. As a more mature college player, his upside is lower but entry to the NHL quicker than a draft pick or Voro. It'd be a favour to Vecchione to get him playing NHL minutes.

vbbbvvbb: they'd be more reluctant to trade it for sure but it's not out of the question. Getting Simmonds and making a splash in free agency (Tavares? Kane? ) would offset any PR backlash by trading a pick. It's a consideration but I couldn't see them keeping it when it would make sense for them to trade it given the right deal.

PS I could also see this type of trade (trading for 2-5 overall) working with other teams that need prospect depth vice top line quality. I could see Ottawa and Arizona looking to trade down for additional 1st round picks. Philadelphia has tremendous depth but need top line quality. New York is looking to trade up as well.
Just my thoughts.

13 Apr 2018 16:04:42
vbbbvvbb: "And imo that’s not enough to move up to 2nd overall" I think it's plenty to move up. This draft is not 2015. It's not enough to get Dahlin but 14th, 19th, Morin, and Vecchione is definitely a solid offer.

Morin is NHL ready and is an immediate improvement to their bottom pair, if not their 4 spot. Although the fact that he's a former 1st rounder is irrelevant, he was drafted as a project with a later NHL entry date. He'd be on the Flyers now if not for aforementioned reasons.

Vecchione will never be a top 6 forward but is a good NHL prospect that is NHL ready. Many Flyers fans argue he should've been on the roster this year but blame Hakstol's infatuation with slow, aging veterans.

This is for 2nd overall, not Jack Eichel 2nd overall. 14th and 19th are quality picks and 2-5 overall doesn't guarantee a game changing player ie Dylan Strome. The value is there.

13 Apr 2018 17:15:10
Imo you overrate Morin. Even with Sanhiem who is much better/ Valuable I doubt the other team would accept.

13 Apr 2018 17:31:50
Frankly, I don't think you know enough about Morin or Sanheim to make that determination. Sure, Sanheim definitely has a higher ceiling.
It was a toss-up as to who would stay with the team after training camp. Both had great camps and if we didn't have so many young defencemen, both would have made it. Morin also would've drawn into the lineup this year after AMac's injury and Gudas' suspension but Morin got hurt. He was snakebitten this year but was certainly meritorous.

2 mid firsts, Morin, and Vecchione is a solid offer that suits the needs of both parties, not a lopsided homer proposal. I'd hate to give up Morin and those picks, but quality is the cost of quality.

13 Apr 2018 20:43:42
I just think you underestimate the value of the 2nd overall pick no it’s not in the same Catagory as Dahlin but the team trading the pick would need to be an offensive loaded team in desperate need of defence and is no where near contention. So possibly Buffalo is really the only choice the asking price would start with Provornov straight up or Ghost++. Regardless top 5 picks don’t get traded.

13 Apr 2018 21:15:04
Ottawa aren't trading that pick
Dream on and enjoy the series.

13 Apr 2018 23:55:20
vbbb: I think you overestimate the 2nd overall pick. These are highly talented yet unproven players. Again, please stop acting like mid-first round picks are worthless. The two leading contenders for the Calder Trophy (Barzal and McAvoy) were taken in the teens. The quality is there. I can name a bunch of recent Top 5 picks that have underwhelmed (Reinharts, Yakupov, E Lindholm, Bennett, Dal Colle, D Strome, Juolevi) .

For teams looking for a complete rebuild that who miss out on Dahlin, getting two picks in the teens and a solid prospect is worthwhile. One can argue that Ottawa and Arizona need prospect depth and should sacrifice quality for less quality but quantity. All of those top teams need a Dahlin, but there's a distinct difference between 1 and 2. It's a reasonable strategy. The teams that could trade that pick suck overall and could use any player, but the logic is that two players are better than one and quality picks occur in the teens.

Any team would love to have Dahlin, but the Flyers are one of the last teams that need him given their quality and youth on defence.

13 Apr 2018 23:57:59
Keyhabs: I'm a cynic by nature so I'll assume the "enjoy the series" remark was directed at the Flyers playing Spearing Sidney and the Cowardly Pengwhines. If so, stones and glass houses and such. Enjoy the offseason with Bergevin with a cancerous Weber contract, no starting centre, a thin prospect pool, and a listless captain leading to a decade of mediocrity.

14 Apr 2018 01:05:13
Arizona does not need depth they’re pretty loaded could use another dman and Center. Ottawa has good depth at all positions imo. Neither team is looking to trade that pick only team that could potentially is Edmonton and they’re searching for a different package. Maybe Simmonds and Ghost for Tkachuk? That’s what I’d ask for if I were Edmonton. A potential gritty presence that’s will likely put up 30-40-70 seasons considering he’s more hyped then his bro who is already a Cornerstone piece.

14 Apr 2018 03:46:04
Just took a quick overview of Zthe sens prospect pool there C depth is very solid but they do need a stud dman. So I think a Provornov-Svechnikov/ Tkachuk swap would be fair.

14 Apr 2018 16:48:25
vbbb: Arizona has lots of top prospects (if you consider Dylan Strome to still be a top prospect) but little depth. Ottawa does not have a strong prospect pool. In fact, the Hockey Writers ranked them 27/ 31 at the start of this season. The Senators need depth; they need everything. I suggested Arizona and Ottawa because several pundits (I can't find the article) suggested that they consider trading down. Dorion very recently ruled it out.

You completely underestimate Ghost and Provorov. Provorov is a #1 defenceman at 21 years old and was tied for the most goals among defencemen in the league this year. Ghost finished with 65 points, 3 off the lead for defencemen. Their analytics numbers were through the roof; they didn't get much credit because they were only paired together the last 3 third of the season.

It's hilarious that you think Simmonds+Ghost = Tkachuk. I'd take Ghost over Matthew Tkachuk right now. Provorov for Tkachuk is an even bigger joke.

You're clueless.

14 Apr 2018 18:26:27
Ghost is 1 dimensional I’ll take Mathew Tkachuk over him any day. Obviously Provornov is amazing and almost any team besides Carolina/ Nashville/ Calargry would take Provornov over Brady Tkachuk both will be elite. But you don’t trade a top 5 pick unless it’s an offer so ridiculous you can’t say no to.

14 Apr 2018 19:51:08
Ghost is far from 1 dimensional. He's been a very complete defenceman this year and managed to rack up 65 points. 65 points! Again, you're clueless. Any team would take Provorov, proven at the NHL level, over a talented yet ultimately unproven entity in Brady Tkachuk. Furthermore, Provorov is a better defenceman than Matthew Tkachuk is a forward.

"But you don’t trade a top 5 pick unless it’s an offer so ridiculous you can’t say no to" Again, this assumes that the top 5 pick is a surefire NHL star, which it's not. Hello Dylan Strome, Nail Yakupov etc. 14th and 19th overall gives you two quality players.

14 Apr 2018 20:30:57
I believe Brady Tkachuk>>Mathew Tkachuk and I’m sure anyone who’s seen both play would agree. Ghost is a younger Kevin Shattenkurk. I don’t claim to be a Flyers fan but from what I’ve seen his minutes are sheltered. Again I don’t watch majority of his games. I like him but I’ll take both Tkachuk over him on a leafs team who needs a RHD so that says a lot. Also you’re talking like 14th and 19th overall are going to play in the NHL. They both have potential to be stars but they’re far more likely to bust while the 2nd overall pick is almost guaranteed to be a cornerstone player. I’m not denying in what you stated Provornov>Tkachuk and I’m not saying flyers should accept it but that’s what it’d take.

14 Apr 2018 22:36:19
Yo 1st off you need to understand that they call it a draft (lottery) for a reason!

Just because ottawa finished 2nd last in the standings it doesn't mean they will get the 2nd overall pick. They won't get lower than the 5th pick but also have the 2nd best odds of getting the "number 1" pick.

That being said, this package yet again is a major low ball offer towards the sens like every other pathetic excuse of a trade proposal most of you people post. Get real and start basing returns on their players and assets with actually value not your own messed up thoughts on how they aren't worth equal value to their other team equivalents!

14 Apr 2018 23:46:09
vbbb: you admittedly know very little about the Flyers then talk about how Ghost's minutes are sheltered from what you've seen. To correct you yet again, host plays on the top pair with Provorov and goes against the other team's best lines. The only favourable minutes he gets is on the power play. Ghost was a younger Kevin Shattenkirk when he first entered the league, but not know. Catch up. You keep digging the hole deeper for yourself.

"I like him but I’ll take both Tkachuk over him on a leafs team who needs a RHD so that says a lot" this implies, but it's not explicitly stated, that Ghost is a RHD. He's not, he plays RD but is left handed. Again, you're clueless.

The second overall pick is not almost guaranteed to be a cornerstone player. Again, Yakupov, Murray, Strome etc. And I don't talk as though mid-firsts are guaranteed to be NHL players; you fail to recognize the fact that there are two mid-firsts. Teams wanting to hedge their bets and get two quality players can trade down vice taking the chance to get one very skilled player but it turn out to be a Yakupov.

14 Apr 2018 23:52:15
"Yo 1st off you need to understand that they call it a draft (lottery) for a reason! " No sh*t Sherlock, but it makes it way more difficult to propose a trade with %7.5 chance of the 3rd overall pick etc. It would be impossible to propose a trade otherwise so we assume the draft lottery plays out like the percentages indicate.

As to your last paragraph, I base mine off the value of draft picks by Scott Cullen at TSN and Stats Sports Consulting. My proposed trade of PHI-OTT is below:

Cullen:
2nd overall: 7.79

14th overall: 5.25
19th overall: 4.44

Even without Morin and Vecchione, it's technically overpayment.

SCS:
2nd overall: 871

14th overall: 456
19th overall: 364

Morin and Vecchione certainly bridge the 51 point gap.

"Get real and start basing returns on their players and assets with actually value not your own messed up thoughts on how they aren't worth equal value to their other team equivalents"

Who has the messed up thoughts? You're clueless.

15 Apr 2018 16:17:23
14th and 19th pick have what? A 30 to 35% chance at best of making a real impact in the nhl and not just being role players. They are very rare.
Top 10 have a 50 to 65% chance of making that impact while top 5 are between 70 and 85% which is all but a guarrenteed they'll be something.
This is the equivalent of trading Erik karlsson for yannik Weber and Ben Ryan. who you ask? Exactly my point, it's a trade no-one in there right mind would even consider.

If ottawa had any intention of moving that pick, especially not knowing if it'll turn into the 1st or not and I'm not saying they should because I wouldn't, it would be the islanders who would have the best shot at landing it.

Nyi : both 1sts they own (8th and 10th overall), the rights to Tavares

Ott : Ottawa's 1st (top 5 overall no matter what but best projected at 1 or 2), and either gaborik, Smith, and burrows or Ryan, and gaborik.

Islanders take the risk at 1 or 2 by giving 2 top 10 with the lowest odds at number 1 plus the rights to a superstar who refuses to resign with them and might very well refuse ottawa too and taking on 2 big cap hits one (ryan) who is still a good threat offensively for reasons I've stated in the past.

Ottawa loses its best chance at dahlin but gains 2 more slight chances to move up in a weak draft year and a shot to sign Tavares before anyone else talks to him all while dumping 2 huge contracts which would free the money needed to sign Tavares as well as EK and stone.

Trade value of draft picks example I have off the top of my head is the 2008 draft class when ottawa traded the 17th overall pick plus a 3rd round pick that year to move up just 2 spots to 15th and draft Erik karlsson.
keep in mind that no-one at that point in time could have ever imagined that EK would go on to become the best defenceman in the world.
But a trade for a pick only 2 spots higher costed them a 3rd on top of theirs for a pick that wasn't even top 10.
Trades like this happen every single year and thus if the 15th is worth that much then 1 or 2 with most definitely be worth a whole lot more

15 Apr 2018 16:39:31
If you’re offered to Role the dice between- Tyler Seguin, Gabriel Landeskog, Ryan Murray, Alexander Barkov, Sam Rienhart, Jack Eichel, Patrick Liane and Nolan Patrick or a package of Ghost and Simmonds. I’m rolling the dice especially considering Svechnikov is much more Hyped then Rienhart, Murray and probably Patrick.

15 Apr 2018 16:54:56
Firstly, I doubt Svechnikov is more hyped than Reinhart, Murray, and Patrick. There's a recency effect at play; we only remember Reinhart now that he's underwhelmed rather than remembering his pre-draft hype.

Secondly, I didn't propose Simmonds and Ghost for X player. However, Ghost is better than at least half of your list and that doesn't include Simmonds.

15 Apr 2018 16:59:20
NoBiasRambo:

Your Ottawa trade is massive overpayment by the Islanders. Do me a favour and post that in its own thread.

Where did you come up with those numbers in the start of your post? ie the 30-35%, 50-65%, and 70-85% chance? Let me guess - these are your own messed up thoughts.

"This is the equivalent of trading Erik karlsson for yannik Weber and Ben Ryan. who you ask? Exactly my point, it's a trade no-one in there right mind would even consider. "

This is the most idiotic statement I've read on here in a while and is not at all what I suggested. I proposed trading draft picks, not NHL players. There's a massive difference between trading upcoming draft picks and real NHL players, especially veterans like the ones you cited. No sane person proposes trades of veteran players based on their draft position. Give your head a shake.

15 Apr 2018 23:24:13
How on earth is that possibly an over payment from the islanders easy e? Like get real dude!

Tavares and Josh Bailey will not be back in New York next season. frees up over 12 million which is more than enough to take on either of those packages. Ryan provides some of the scoring they'll miss from JT as well. and any of the top 3 PICKS are and always have been worth at least 2 top 5 to 10 picks. if it ends up being 1st overall this year with dahlin as the prize then that alone is worth everything they gave up just based on his hype alone. outside the top 5 this is a very weak draft class as well. ottawa is basically hoping one of those picks breaks in to top 3 via lottery odds if anything.

16 Apr 2018 00:52:37
I’ll definitely take Landeskog, Seguin, Eichel, Liane and Barkov over Ghost. I’ll even roll the dice on Patrick watching him play I think he has tremendous potential.

11 Apr 2018 20:24:07
Stars: 13th overall

Flyers: Simmonds

Stars: gain a a versatile top 6 winger who is a pp specialtist. He would provide much needed secondary scoring

Flyers: Cash in on a rental player if they don't believe they'll contend or to bring up a younger guy.

12 Apr 2018 00:27:29
I think this is actually a good idea so good trade for once. But I believe it may take a pick around nunber 10-11 to get Simonds.

12 Apr 2018 03:02:38
Really colt? He proposes the 13th overall but you’re fine tuning it to the 10th or 11th based on your expertise that you have so brilliantly displayed on this site?

12 Apr 2018 03:46:16
I wouldn't trade a pick like that in this draft.

12 Apr 2018 06:03:46
"around nunber 10-11". 13 isn't just that? Lol.

12 Apr 2018 06:21:59
I’d say the Stars would rather the youth.

12 Apr 2018 14:16:50
Just realized the draft is in Dallas so this trade will not happen.

12 Apr 2018 21:53:13
I'd take it but I think Simmonds could get more.

09 Apr 2018 21:45:13
Calgary Flames:
• Dougie Hamilton
Toronto Maple Leafs:
• Mitch Marner

Calgary Flames:
• Sam Bennett
• Dillon Dube
• Jusso Valimaki
Philadelphia Flyers:
• Wayne Simmonds


J Gaudreau - S Monahan - M Marner
M Tkachuk - M Backlund - W Simmonds
K Versteeg - M Jankowski - M Frolik
M Ferland - N Shore - T Brouwer

M Giordano - T Brodie
R Andersson - T Hamonic
B Kulak - M Stone

09 Apr 2018 22:03:39
I wouldn't trade Hamilton for Marner. he's the Dman on Flames you build around.

09 Apr 2018 22:11:49
You need to stop. TOR fans will likely disagree, but Hamilton just finished tied for goals by Defenseman. 25 years old 6’5” right shot D that is a great skater. He’s worth more than just Marner, but you don’t trade him regardless.
And then you trade away our youth and depth for an older player like Simmonds (who i'd love to get) but not at that price. A young 21 year old NHLr with lots of potential stil, a top D prospect and top C prospect. Too much.

09 Apr 2018 22:15:16
Why trade for both Marner and Simmonds? Just do one, and tbh I’d rather trade for Simmonds.

10 Apr 2018 02:53:29
As a leafs fan I would not want anything to do with Hamilton extremely overrated and 1 dimensional I’d rather go after Colton Paryanko, Eric Johnson or Seth Jones ( definitely won’t be traded. ) i'd rather go for Girodano then Hamilton and that says a lot. But regardless neither player will be traded. Marner=Guadreau.

10 Apr 2018 04:34:46
And that’s why you’re a dunce vb. Really you would rather gio over Hamilton right now? Wow.

10 Apr 2018 04:53:05
Small scoring wingers are a dime a dozen. you don’t trade a young top two defenseman to get that.

10 Apr 2018 05:22:25
I agree the flames wouldn’t make that trade.

If you would rather Gio over Hamilton at this point in their careers, no one can help you

But saying players like marner are a dime a dozen is not close to reality either. The leagues getting younger I know, but 20 year olds with 130 pts in 150 games are not dime a dozen lol.

10 Apr 2018 12:58:26
Giordano over Hamilton? Lol.

10 Apr 2018 12:22:48
Marner is good but comon. You don't get Dougie Hamilton with a 5.10 winger.

10 Apr 2018 14:02:11
Hey colt, I agree, so can habs fans stop trying to get #1 centres with Gallagher haha.

10 Apr 2018 20:19:02
I’ll reiterate what i said I’d rather give less to get an older more well rounded Gio then giving up more for a 1 dimensional Hamilton. Obviously Hamilton has more value but his value is not as high as people believe.

10 Apr 2018 22:24:23
@vbbbvvbb: you definitely an eastern hockey fan that likely never watches Flames games. You need to research more. Please explain how Hamilton is 1 dimensional. His advanced stats are awesome. He’s one of the top scoring D men in the entire league and his #’s have gone up every year. You’re letting bias and a few things you read a couple years ago get in the way of being smart.
But still, no way in hell should CGY trade Hamilton, period, let alone for only Marner.

10 Apr 2018 23:39:46
This is what I think. Flames would take Guadreau over Marner. As a leafs fan I’ll take Marner over Guadreau because of potential and ELC. Guadreau is better now but not by much. Keep in mind Guadreau plays with Monahan and top PP with consistent linemates. Meanwhile Marner fluncuates lines a lot and dosent have a Elite Monahan to play with. ( he almost never plays with Mathews or Nylander) . He often carry’s his line and drives possession better then Guadreau IMO. Also I enjoy watching Winnipeg play and I’ve noticed when the jets played them and the leafs he gets out of position in his own end almost on a shiftly basses. He also has a tendency to get burnt on the rush he is not a bad defender I’d put him in the Morgan Rielly Catagory value wise. I’ll admint I may be biased due to not liking Hamilton’s tool set and other fans probably value him higher then I do. But there is no way I trade Marner for Hamilton. I also accept the fact that considering the flames have an similar skill set player in Guadreau both teams would respectfully decline.

08 Apr 2018 09:50:14
Philadelphia Flyers:
• Wayne Simmonds

Calgary Flames:
• Sam Bennett
• Jon Gillies
• 2019 2nd Round Pick
• Rasmus Andersson

#2 Trade -

Montreal Canadiens:
• Brendan Gallagher
• 2018 2nd Round Pick

Calgary Flames:
• TJ Brodie
• Mark Jankowski


2018-19 Projected Line-Up

J Gaudreau - S Monahan - W Simmonds
M Tkachuk - M Backlund - B Gallagher
M Ferland - N Shore - M Frolik
G Hathaway - C Lazar - T Brouwer

M Giordano - D Hamilton
J Valimaki - T Hamonic
B Kulak - M Stone

08 Apr 2018 12:32:13
Galagher is worth considerably less than brodie, a 2nd for jankos ok value but he wouldn't be traded.

08 Apr 2018 14:23:11
Mtl takes that.

08 Apr 2018 14:55:34
Philadelphia doesn't need any more goalie prospects. Take out Gillies and Bennett and give us Fox.

08 Apr 2018 17:30:21
MB wants to build around Gallagher 's leadership and even if they get a LHD DMan for him. they won’t sacrifice him.

09 Apr 2018 03:02:34
I’ll say it again. You must not be a Flames fan. Your trades are always over payment from Calgary. MTL likes Gallagher but no way he’s worth Brodie alone let alone adding a very promising C in Jankowski.

09 Apr 2018 10:19:51
I'd take Eazy E trade

Wayne Simmonds

For

Rasmus Andersson
Adam Fox
2nd Round 2019.

01 Apr 2018 21:35:21
TJ Brodie for DAL 2018 1st + J. Robertson

M. Stone + 6th 2019 for PHI 3rd 2018

30 Mar 2018 01:46:49
Arizona has many top prospects (Strome, Merkeley, Fischer, Dvorak, Domi, Keller) but lacks depth. The Flyers need several more top prospects and have lots of prospect depth that are being blocked by other prospects and veterans in the NHL. Assuming Arizona gets 3rd overall and the Blues and Flyers choose 19th and 20th, I'd propose:

Arizona: 2018 1st (St Louis), 2018 1st (Philadelphia), Danick Martel (52 GP 23 G 14 A 37 P in AHL, RFA 2018), Mike Vecchione (57 GP 15 G 21 A 36 P in AHL, RFA 2019)
Philadelphia: 3rd overall (draft Brady Tkachuk)

Martel and Vecchione deserve a chance in the NHL and will likely be quality bottom 6 NHLers that can support Arizona's top prospect cast.

This addresses both organizations' needs. There are two first round picks so it's not quantity for quality.

30 Mar 2018 13:58:15
Not enough would rather have Tkachuk.

30 Mar 2018 15:53:39
Wow Arizona gets destroyed.

30 Mar 2018 23:43:05
vbbbvvbb: you and I would rather have Tkachuk but that's not the issue. Arizona needs depth, as evidenced by last year's trade surrendering 35th overall for 44th overall and 2 lower draft picks. I'd say two firsts and 2 players to upgrade their bottom six is more valuable than a high first rounder.

30 Mar 2018 23:49:56
Keyhabs: Arizona does not get destroyed. They get two first rounders, not one. I read a hockey article equating a good, near-NHL ready college free agent is worth approximately a 3rd round pick. Given that, Martel and Vecchione would be worth a 3rd each. Those two firsts and two thirds is reasonable for third overall.

Evidence?

According to Statssportsconsulting, their values are:

3rd overall: 826 points

19th: 364
20th: 350
Mid 3rd round*: 150
Mid 3rd round: 150
Total: 1114 pts

3rds range from 131-175 pts

TSN's valuation is even better for Arizona:

3rd overall: 7.06

19th: 4.44
20th: 4.83
Mid 3rd round*: 2.4
Mid 3rd round: 2.4
Total: 14.07

There are obviously flaws in each model and methodology but Arizona getting destroyed is hyperbole. It's a reasonable trade.

31 Mar 2018 05:31:08
Cmon man they give up an almost guaranteed superstar for probably a top 6 f/ 4 d (StLouis) + a 2d-3rd Line guy for Tkachuk
Don’t even mention the 3rd or Ahl player
No thanks from Arizona and keep your peanuts.

31 Mar 2018 05:32:56
Tkachuk is a 18 year old elite prospect ( better then his brother ) ready to step into a 1st line role in ( Arizona ) . He is a Franchise player in the making IMO. A meaner Corey Perry. As a leafs fan the last thing we need is a winger but I’d be willing to out pay that package.
Tkachuk-Mathews-Nylander Would be a unstoppable Tkachuk gives other players more confidence to do more offensively like going into the corners because they feel safer with him there as an talented enforcer. I’d be happy giving

Tor: 1st 2018,2nd 2019, Connor Brown and Timothy Lindergren

ARI: 3rd overall.

31 Mar 2018 05:33:17
Stop acting like hockey Is Math.
Teams are not stupid.

31 Mar 2018 13:13:47
lool you can easily get depth players for like a 3rd rd pick. Not a 3rd ovr pick . hahahaha.

31 Mar 2018 19:33:37
Thank you Hoff.

31 Mar 2018 20:27:13
Hoff68: the trade is not 3 overall for 2 depth players; you're missing the 2 first round picks.

Your reading and comprehension skills: hahahahaha.

31 Mar 2018 20:30:35
Keyhabs:

"Stop acting like hockey Is Math.
Teams are not stupid. "

If hockey isn't math, then why does almost every single team employ a hockey analytics department?

How do GMs value draft picks? Through tables and analytics (aka math) that I cited. When Hextall moved up to 35 overall last year, Chayka said it was overpayment based on these types of tables.

Forget analytics, I think teams would be wise to do away with that math stuff, fire their analytics teams, and just pay you for your amazing insight.

31 Mar 2018 20:33:39
"Cmon man they give up an almost guaranteed superstar for probably a top 6 f/ 4 d (StLouis) + a 2d-3rd Line guy for Tkachuk"

The same could've been said about Dylan Strome. How's that working out for Arizona? Maybe it'd do them good to not have all of their eggs in one basket and pick up a quality player in the mid to late first round, like some dude named Mat Barzal. Where was he taken? 18th? Yeah, those picks are real peanuts.

There've been so many guaranteed superstars in the top 5 that have busted in the last few years and lots of great picks later in the first round. Quit talking like those two firsts are valueless.

31 Mar 2018 20:37:16
vbbbvvbb:

Tkachuk has lots of potential but he's far from being a superstar. There are lots of great players chosen in the mid to late first round in the last few years (Boeser, Tolvanen, Konecny etc) . The value is there for Arizona. Discounting those two firsts is idiotic.

Funny how you mention Perry; he was chosen 28th overall. Who was chosen 19th and 20th that year? Getzlaf and Brent Burns. 3rd? Nathan Horton.

The fact that you would overpay that much for 3rd overall means you're the Peter Chiarelli of nhl trade rumors.

01 Apr 2018 05:42:05
Peter Chirelli traded Kessel for Seguin and Hamilton.

01 Apr 2018 12:49:12
And a broken clock is right two times a day. And he also gave away Seguin to Dallas. Besides, and how's he doing lately? Like I said, utterly clueless.

01 Apr 2018 13:29:03
He dosent have a history for overpaying for players (besides rienhart) just underselling them.

29 Mar 2018 19:38:01
Carloina Teravainen faulk

Oilers drais

Canucks gaudette tanev 3 rd pick

Philly nolan patrick

29 Mar 2018 20:16:31
Haha man are you for real with Vancouver trade?

29 Mar 2018 20:28:28
Please just stop.

29 Mar 2018 21:18:49
Isn’t this the first NHL game for Gaudette? Haha.

30 Mar 2018 04:39:55
Drai is on a 35-40 point pace when he doesn’t play with 97. No from Hurricanes.

30 Mar 2018 17:12:30
I actually like the first trade for both teams. Teravainen has improved every year and is only 23. He’d be a nice top 6 in Edmonton and they bring in a top 4 RD in Faulk. Draisaitl is exactly what Carolina needs and they have the depth on defense to handle losing Faulk. Fits both teams needs IMO. What is it you don’t like about the trade McJ?

30 Mar 2018 22:00:17
Borje where did you get that fact from lol lol last he he only play have the season with hin and he got 77 he played even less this season and got 68 in less game and in the playoffs they didn't play one game together and he has 16 points in 13 games.

27 Mar 2018 00:29:32
If Vegas does well this post season and can justify bringing in another veteran, I'd propose:

Vegas: Simmonds ($3.975MM UFA 2019)

Philadelphia: 2020 1st, Canucks 2018 4th, Dallas 2020 2nd, Conditional 2019 3rd (2019 Vegas 3rd becomes better pick of 2019 CLB or VGK 2nd if Simmonds re-signs).

Philadelphia may not be able to afford Simmonds' next contract and Vegas would most benefit from his character and leadership. The extra pick is because many of the picks occur in 2019 or 2020.

26 Mar 2018 14:51:20
Mtl needs a solid all around center. Just so happens that there's a french one available because of the all the good center depth in Philly. With that said what would it take to get Sean Couturier at a reasonable price. he's still in his mid 20's and is having what will be the best season of his career. he's obviously not a 70 point center but i'm sure because he hit that marked this year his value is up. How about:


Mtl: Gallagher, Danault

Phil: Couturier

Ok so Philly gets a gritty winger whos sign long term at 4,3 million wich now makes Simmonds available yo trade. That way they won't have to give 7milliom to Simmonds and they get a bunch of assets for him without disturbing the lines too mich necause Danault can play second line/third line very well. Would this be a fair deal?

26 Mar 2018 15:41:00
That's a giant step back for Philly. No dice.

26 Mar 2018 16:07:15
That's not going to happen.

26 Mar 2018 17:46:33
Lol you're defs not getting Couturier now, at least no for this package.

26 Mar 2018 20:03:04
Easy no from Philly jeez.

26 Mar 2018 21:40:31
Same as people making proposals for guys like rakell. It’s not only the player you’re trading for, it’s the contract. That’s not enough to get a 25 year old centreman who has over 30 goals and almost a point per game. Then add in that he has 4 years left on his contract after this at 4.33 million, and You’re not even in the parking lot of the ball park.

26 Mar 2018 23:45:47
Lol. Take out two of your top 6 guys Cuts and Simmonds and replace them with lesser players Gally and Danault and you think that doesn't disturb the lines much.
It makes them worse. Easy no from Philly. And your explanation was terrible completely Montreal biased.

21 Mar 2018 20:48:23
With prospects needing a chance at the NHL level (Morin, Frost, Vorobyev, Allison etc), the Flyers need to move some veterans this offseason:

NYI: Gudas $3.35MM UFA 2020 (despite his salty reputation, he actually drives play well)
PHI: 2018 2nd (NYI) - the lowest of their two seconds in this draft

The Islanders have 3 defencemen as UFAs this offseason with only Pulock and Boychuk as being natural righties.

CGY: Simmonds ($3.975MM UFA 2019), Weal ($1.75MM UFA 2019)
PHI: Fox, 2020 1st (lottery protected), 2018 FLA 4th, Conditional 2020 4th*becomes 2020 2nd if Simmonds re-signs

Calgary's right side is awful. Weal is fast and has talent, but was blocked by a Stanley Cup roster in LA and aging veterans and waivers in Philadelphia. The picks are in later years to help Calgary get some prospects into their system after this season.

Edmonton: Raffl $2.35MM UFA 2019, retained 50% for Edmonton's cap
PHI: 2019 3rd, 2020 4th

Raffl is a swiss army knife that can capably play up and down the lineup, is defensively responsible, and is a pretty good penalty killer. It won't fix Edmonton's issues, but would help their PK and defensive coverage. He's be a valuable 4th liner and great role player.

I know I'm only 1 of 2 Flyers fans on here but I thought I'd throw this out there.

05 Apr 2018 18:23:01
As a flames fan. I would jump on that trade.

17 Mar 2018 01:33:24
It's doubtful if Philadelphia can afford Wayne Simmonds' ($3.975MM UFA in 2019) next contract. He's a consistent high 20's-low 30's goal scorer, great on the power play, and has many intangibles. If Hextall opts to trade him before the draft, I'd propose:

Arizona: Simmonds
Philadelphia: Nick Merkeley, 2018 2nd, Conditional 2019 3rd (if Arizona re-signs Simmonds and he scores 20+ goals in 2018-19)

Arizona's power play is awful, they need veteran leadership, and goals - all of which Simmonds can bring. They also have the cap space to re-sign him.

Anaheim: Simmonds (25% retained)
Philadelphia: Sam Steel or Max Jones, 2018 1st, Conditional 2019 3rd (if Anaheim re-signs Simmonds and he scores 20+ goals in 2018-19)

Anaheim is less likely to re-sign given their cap situation is tighter. Anaheim's power play is also bad and he'd be a great addition to their third line and can easily play up the roster if necessary. Anaheim is a borderline playoff team this year, but they've had abysmal injuries and will likely be better next year.

17 Mar 2018 12:29:43
I think the Arizona one is bad. The ducks one is closer. Think of the forwards that moved this year at the deadline, like statsny as a rental (1st, prospect) Kane as a rental (cond. 1st, 4th ans prospect), Tatar with some term left (1st, 2nd ans 3rd) and Hartman (1st, 4th and prospect) . Simmonds with a year left, especially in the one you have Philly retaining off his already great cap hit is worth more. Merkeley and a 2nd isn’t close. They would just keep him for a playoff run and let him walk if that’s the return.

17 Mar 2018 13:19:15
Arizona are still in rebuild mode
And Ducks ain’t giving top prospect + 1rd pick lmao.

17 Mar 2018 13:33:25
Unbiased Jim:

I tried to design both trades as though the return was even ie Steel or Jones/ Ducks 1st = Merkeley/ Arizona 2nd given the conditional picks are near the same where both teams would finish in next year's standings. The salary retention evens it out a bit more but Anaheim needs it more than Arizona. Simmonds will likely walk for Anaheim but Arizona is where he can get paid. Given your rental return, I think I may be undervaluing Simmonds (I'm a Flyers fan btw) ; I just didn't want to be the prototypical homer on here ie Simmonds for Dahlin+.

Keyhabs

I don't think the Coyotes are actually in rebuild mode. They got rid of Tippett last year and traded a high 1st (7 OA if my memory is correct) and Deangelo for Rantaa and Stepan. I think they want to move talent into the present to become respectable again. I think this fits.

I put in Merkeley because he seems to be a Hextall type player: great hockey IQ, centre who can play wing, not afraid to get into the dirty areas, great vision and playmaking. He's Travis Konecny 2.0.

17 Mar 2018 15:27:24
Yeah. Your reasoning makes sense. I think that when a player like Simmonds becamomes available, a lot of teams will bid. And when a player like him that makes less than $4 mill is available, just about every team is able to make that cap number work in an offseason deal. Having 20+ teams interested is going to get the price up.

12 Mar 2018 21:10:38
Mtl: Price, Patches

Phil: Giroux, Seinham

Mtl gets a real number one center. They would obviously have to either trust Lindgreen as number one and get a good backup or get a guy who could compete with Lindgreen for number 1.

Mtl also gets Seinham who could be a good top 4 LHD in probably 2-3 year like evedy night not 30 games season just to be clear.I mean in 2-3 years he will be a full time nhler I believe. Then they're patches who would make Sjmonds expandable for Philly or trade him at deadline as a top rental and gets a first+++ prospect

12 Mar 2018 23:46:37
You actually need to stop. Your explanations are so awful along with players you include in the post. I don’t know why Or how you think this is close at all 🙃.

13 Mar 2018 02:28:18
Anyway we can get a 5 post a week limit on Colt (fake Colt)

13 Mar 2018 02:29:18
Sad thing is. think he has a couple accounts, and answers his own posts.

13 Mar 2018 03:37:09
If flyers can ‘flip’ patches for a 1st rounder ++++ and prospects, why would habs just do that? lol.

13 Mar 2018 14:52:44
"If flyers can ‘flip’ patches for a 1st rounder ++++ and prospects, why would habs just do that? " - stop, you're making too much sense.

Last time I checked, Giroux is 4th in league scoring. The Habs would want a younger centre anyway. And Hextall has little need for a very talented yet very expensive and oft-injured Price when we have Carter Hart in waiting with Sandstrom and a few other goalie prospects backing him up.

13 Mar 2018 16:45:38
@Easy E. sorry man. Didn’t mean to be logical there lol IF patches got you all that, then you could have a first rounder, plus infinite other picks and prospects apparently. Then go shopping for a younger centre at the draft, but that’s too obvious for colt I guess.

09 Mar 2018 19:54:18
OTT: Dzingel, 2nd in 2019
PHI: Gostisbehere

09 Mar 2018 21:06:43
Thats retarded.

09 Mar 2018 21:07:48
Pacioretty, 2018 2nd. For karlsson.

09 Mar 2018 21:51:05
Hahahaha.

09 Mar 2018 21:58:39
What a joke.

09 Mar 2018 22:38:12
Are you a troll? Or just not bright?

10 Mar 2018 10:58:02
Rielly for Riley Nash and 2019 2nd? No? Oh.

11 Mar 2018 05:02:23
@triplets, Don’t do Morgan Rielly as you troll back. He’s a sens fan lol I don’t know why his name has Morgan Rielly in it, but he only does sens stuff.

14 Apr 2018 20:54:35
Ottawa adds either Claesson or Ceci.

Montreal adds a lot more for EK . lol.

26 Feb 2018 02:11:17
Ok...

Flyers Trade Raffl

to

Canucks for Vanek


Flyers trade to Coyotes
Sanheim, Weal , 1st, and Manning

Coyotes trade
OEL

26 Feb 2018 15:38:37
Vanek is garbage. No from Philadelphia on both.

24 Feb 2018 21:12:41
At the draft


Mtl trades Pacioretty(50%), 2018 2nd, Hudon.

Edmonton trades RNH, 2019 1st.


Mtl trades Drafts Tkachuk


Mtl trades 2019 1st(MTL), 2019 1st(Edm), Lehkonen.


Flyers trade sanheim.


Drouin-RNH-Gallagher
Galchenyuk-Tkachuck-Sherback
Lehkonen-Danault-Byron
Deslauriers-logan shaw-andrew shaw

Sanheim-Weber
Mete-Petry
Alzner-Juulsen

Price
Lindgren

24 Feb 2018 21:55:16
Would you really give up that much for sanheim? That could be 2 lottery picks again.

24 Feb 2018 22:23:40
Cone on two first round picks for sanheim. I know he’s good but really.

24 Feb 2018 22:30:12
What? No,
RNH for Patches k. I get that . but 2 firsts in 19 plus Lehkonen for Sanheim. I can see Edmonton getting there crap together and back in contention next season, but I'm not sold on Habs being out of this funk, another lottery pick. no guarantees on Edmonton either
. Jus NOPE.

24 Feb 2018 22:37:35
Lmao this is so bad both. Are u kidding me especially on the second.

24 Feb 2018 22:52:00
Why would you trade 2 1st for sanhiem.

25 Feb 2018 04:59:46
Not getting rid of Hudon.

23 Feb 2018 12:42:32
Arizona needs veteran scoring and has tons of cap space. They've added Stepan and Raanta to bolster the kids but more is needed. Philadelphia is pretty good capwise but have major contracts coming due (Provorov and Simmonds in 2019). If Lindblom, Allison, and Frost can be NHLers next year or by 2019, the Flyers will have cap issues.

2018 Offseason

Arizona: Voracek (6 years at $8.25MM) 13 G/55 A/68 P in 60 GP
Philadelphia: Fischer, Merkeley or Steenbergen, 2019 2nd

Voracek drives possession well is tied for 6th in NHL scoring this year, including 1st in assists. He has more points than Ovechkin, Crosby, and Tavares (not saying he's better or more valuable than them, I'm just illustrating a fact) this year. This gives Arizona a legitimate, well-developed 1st line winger.

This allows the Flyers to resign their key free agents and helps with their retool in getting faster and younger while retaining veteran leadership (Simmonds, Giroux, Couturier).

24 Feb 2018 05:26:20
We're actually pretty good cap wise. The way it's looking right now, we should have around 13 million in cap space with Hagg and a forward to sign in the offseason. As for the trade, idk too much about Fischer so that can really change things, but if he isn't pretty good, then I don't think the rest is enough. Not to mention the Flyers are doing great right now so idk why they'd want to get rid of players.

19 Feb 2018 18:10:48
Phi: Toews, Crawford, Wingels

Chi: MacDonald, Lehtera, Weise, Read, Elliot, Sanhiem, Hart, 1st 2018, 1st 2019, additional second if flyers win cup in next two years

Hawks begin their rebuild, get a top goalie prospect, d prospect, 2 first, bad contracts that don't go past 3 three years, also unload toews big contract which he's not worth 10.5 but phi goes all in for the next 2 years while still keeping some youth long term, can compete with pens now

19 Feb 2018 18:35:05
ah yes. the good old 7 for 3 trade. terrific. -. -

also. huge no from Philly.

19 Feb 2018 19:53:28
The only good pieces philly is giving up is Hart, sanheim and the picks lol.

19 Feb 2018 20:18:47
I know the rest are cap related and no long term contract.

19 Feb 2018 20:39:53
Yeah but first of all Chicago can’t take on an extra 4 contracts and cap issues yeah I know where you’re going with it but those pieces are not even close to enough value to get toews lol and Chicago would never do that yenno.

19 Feb 2018 23:38:39
Toews has a big contract and his offensive numbers are not like Kane’s, we get it. But this idea that hawks are going to try to give away a guy that won them 3 cups, is only like 29-30 years old, already one of the greatest players in their history and has shown to be nothing short of a great person and captain is so dumb. It’s like early in the year when price struggled and people are talking about placing him on waivers, or trading him for a B prospect to rid them of the contract, he’s still an elite goalie and toews stilll has a ton to give. They will not trade toews, and if they ever did, they aren’t sending him along with a star goalie for a bunch of scraps, a cpl decent prospects and a cpl late firsts. Have an idea.

20 Feb 2018 01:27:33
Nicely put Jim.

20 Feb 2018 02:32:43
you can't compare price and toews too different positions and markets, also your getting to attached to your players ya its great he won 3 cups, but in a tough division its best to rebuilt or retool now they can't compete anymore for cup at most just make the playoffs so might as well get something potential good instead of having toews make 10.5 until he's 35.

20 Feb 2018 02:34:15
also if they want to retool now they have 1st round picks to get a new centre or they just rebuilt in their tough division.

20 Feb 2018 03:34:04
You forgot Philly's equipment manager!

20 Feb 2018 05:12:07
I’m not comparing price and toews as players. Didn’t think it came off like that. I’m comparing situations. Two great players that have done a ton for their respective organizations and have been rewarded financially for it. And IF they get traded it will be for a lot more than that kind of package. Neither of them are washed up, they both still have plenty of productive years left. Trading toews and Crawford just guarantees they don’t win anymore, it doesn’t put them into full rebuild mode. They would still be a mediocre team, not getting top picks unless you wanna trade kieth and Kane too and you will never win a Patrick Kane trade. Also, it’s not me being too emotionally connected to my players, don’t know how long you have been on here, but Chicago is not ‘my team’.

20 Feb 2018 15:26:35
I have to respect qwerty's concerns tho jim, i mean go down the line the hawks have a lot of guys apart of those 3 cups. i'm not saying they should trade toews, but toews, kane, keith, seabrook and crawford can't all stay if they want to get any type of rebuild done.

19 Feb 2018 16:54:08
To Philly
Mrazek

To Detroit
2018 Conditional 2nd

2nd if he signs, 3rd if not

19 Feb 2018 17:30:59
Detroit only wants a 3rd for him so definately yes from them but I’d assume Philly would rather give up a 3rd straight up.

19 Feb 2018 17:48:43
Philly shut down a 3rd a few days ago, Neuvirth going down last night just upped his Stock.

19 Feb 2018 19:10:31
Detriot offer Mrazek to Phillt for a 3rd a few days ago. Philly turned it down. But now Lehner is hurt so philly might circle back to Mrazek after all.

15 Feb 2018 19:13:52
A Buffalo writer on SB Nation wrote an article about the Flyers and Sabres rumors are made 3 mock trades which I didn't think were too bad

BUF: Kane, Lehner, 2018 second round pick
PHI: Sanheim, Stolarz, Lehtera, 2018 first round pick, 2018 second

BUF: Kane, Johnson
PHI: Sanheim, Lehtera, 2018 first, 2019 conditional third (didn't mention what the condition was, guessing it has to do with re-signing)

BUF: Lehner
PHI: 2018 second round pick and either Stolarz or Sandstrom

Personally, I wouldn't want to give up Sanheim in part of a deal for Kane unless he's already extended. I'd like if the first turns into a second or Buffalo adds a 2019 second if Kane does not re-sign. Not a huge fan of the third trade because Philly is not competing for a cup right now and I don't think upgrading Elliott (or Neuvirth depending who they'd get rid of) next year with Lehner is worth giving up that package. But overall at least in my eyes it's pretty realistic value wise

16 Feb 2018 01:40:11
From a Buffalo stand the only reason I would give you Kane and Lehner would be because of Sanheim and a 1st.

16 Feb 2018 02:44:43
All are trash. I think that the whole story is click-bait - at least it'd better be. I don't want cancer Kane anywhere near the Flyers. Lehner is not worth any of our defensive prospects. Lehtera will be buried next season - we have plenty of cap space next year.

 
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