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11 Oct 2018 04:15:07
Leafs trade Nylander, Kadri
Philly trades Provorov, Patrick, Gudas, Lehtera (cap dump)

Leafs trade Reilly
Blues trade Parayko

Marleau/ Matthews/ Kapanen
Hyman/ Tavares/ Marner
Johnsson/ Patrick/ Brown
Lehtera/ Lindholm/ Leivo

Provorov/ Parayko
Gardiner/ Zaitsev
Dermott/ Gudas
(Sandin/ Liljegren)

I think Leafs should trade Reilly before his NTC kicks in. Otherwise when he re-signs, we could be looking at upwards of $9M+ (using OEL as comparable) .

11 Oct 2018 04:52:26
Parayko makes 500k more than Rielly for the next 4 years and then becomes a UFA the same time. They will both get massive raises unless something bad happens to one of them between now and then.

11 Oct 2018 05:39:06
Huh? Why you think Patrick in any world gets traded?

11 Oct 2018 05:47:30
Yes, but Parayko doesn’t have NTC, so we can still deal him before deadline final year of his contract and earn a return. With Reilly it’s hold him and lose him for nothing.

11 Oct 2018 05:59:53
Kadri vs Patrick

Why Philly makes this trade:

This is a win now trade for Philly. Kadri is still currently the better player, and will be for a few years yet. Patrick is obviously very talented, but still has something to prove. Kadri suits Philly’s hard nose style of play and would fit their system. Philly gets an experienced center on good contract that can play shut down role and can pop in 30+ points.

Why Leafs make this trade:

We don’t need Kadri so much because we have Tavares and Matthews. It’s a bit of a cost cutting manoeuvre as Patrick is still on ELC for a couple more years. Helps us avoid a real cash crunch next year. A high end prospect player that could be long term replacement for Tavares. Basically, we take a slight downgrade at 3C to improve our defense. We improve overall as a team.

11 Oct 2018 06:08:07
Typo: supposed to say Kadri pops in 30+ goals.

11 Oct 2018 11:40:48
I don't think Philly trades Prov unless its a vast overpayment. Prov is going to be a top5 dman in the league. lots of analysts are saying it too.

11 Oct 2018 13:18:12
The leafs don’t need Gudas, they already have Holl, Ozhiganov, and potentially Hainsey, no need for another depth defenceman
Also, I would rather keep Rielly and have him instead of Provorov, with the way he is playing lately I think he could be a Norris trophy winner.

11 Oct 2018 14:58:52
Not even close, Provorov is worth a ton more than Nylander.

11 Oct 2018 15:32:16
Rielly doesn’t have a NTC either. Couldn’t you just keep him till the final year and trade him the same?

11 Oct 2018 15:54:28

I guess my thinking is after Philly loses Simmond’s this year, they will need a long term replacement. Nylander would be a nice fit. And Philly has lots of defensive depth. One of the best in the league. They can afford to move Provorov and still be stacked at the blue line. What would you offer for Provorov?


Read TopShelfSlapers comment. Provorov himself may one day be a Norris candidate himself. Provorov has a higher ceiling than Reilly and is younger and will be cheaper to sign after his ELC I’m sure. We absolutely won’t be able to re-sign Reilly once his contract is up. As for Gudas. We don’t have anyone that is anywhere close to being the heavy hitter he is. Holl, Hainsey, Ozhiganov. All those guys are plugs. Gudas is better than any of them. He averages well over 200 hits a year, and one year recorded a whopping 300 hits. He’s a defensive defenseman that can be used anywhere in the lineup. I just plugged him third line beside Dermott because I didn’t dump Zaitsev in this trade.

To all who replied. Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate the comments. It’s always good to get insight from others.

Go Leafs.

11 Oct 2018 16:46:18
Leafs GM I don’t think you can predict that 4 years from now the leafs won’t be able to resign Reilly. A lot can happen between now and then, starting with letting Gardiner walk.

11 Oct 2018 17:56:51

Rielly has a modified NTC the last two years of his contract. It would limit the teams we could trade him too and restrict the return.


Over the next 4 years, we have to re-sign Rielly, Kadri, Dermott, Sandin, Andersen, Liljegren, Hyman, Brown, and maybe someone I’m missing. Rielly will be the most expensive piece by far. Not sure how we can afford him plus all those other guys.

12 Oct 2018 02:52:25
Provorov, Jones, Dahlin and Maybe Eklblad are the future of D in the NHL he has more value then Nylander.

1. Take out Patrick and it’s closer

2. Rielly>Paryanko do you see how good he’s playing now? No way the leafs trade him.

12 Oct 2018 04:00:10
Considering the leafs defense is their weakest point, I’d think Reilly would come before half those guys. Too early to tell.

10 Oct 2018 18:39:09
Nylanderand borgman to philly for
Konecny top 10 protected 1st 2019 and moron
Tor get a cheater replacement for nylander and potential top 4 6'6 defenceman
Philly upgrade second line jvr patrick and nylader allowing giroux couts and voracek to play top line
Nylander signs at 7.5 m for 8 y
What do you think it helps both team? What if any would anything would have to be changed to make?

10 Oct 2018 19:48:24
Hmmmm don't think Philly would do that.

Also, Toronto doesn't really need a replacement for Nylander at all. They are scoring in droves and would be better off trading Nylander for defensive help -- Philly could be a good trading partner though as they have a ton of defensive talent/ prospects. Might be something there.

Nylander's holdout in my opinion has comically backfired as all it has illustrated is that the Leafs can still score a ton without his help.

10 Oct 2018 20:59:29
He's the Le'veon Bell of the NHL right now. Better than what they are using, but does not make the team look bad without him.

10 Oct 2018 23:01:50
Dead on Turkey! He’s better than Kappy, but not $7mill better when looking at the lineup and other weaknesses.

25 Sep 2018 20:41:51
to Philadelphia

to Anaheim

The Flyers get a player who hasn't proven themselves yet but has the pedigree to really break out soon, whereas the Ducks get a year of a very inexpensive and useful player and the chance to re-sign him. high risk, high reward for both teams.

26 Sep 2018 00:20:49
Come on man .

25 Sep 2018 12:04:37
Just a thought
Leafs Flyers trade.

Nylander for Simmonds

My thoughts are Leafs lack grit and toughness up front. In Simmonds Leafs get an established vet who isn't affraid to drop the gloves plays power play and can move up and down the lineuo and produces offence.

Flyers get a speedy winger who has great vision and soft hands, plays the powerplay.

I know Simmonds only has 1 year left. This deal is only done if an extension 4-5 years can be reached at an average salary of between 5.5- 6.75 similar to whar Dubas is trying to sign Nylander for.


25 Sep 2018 13:26:08
big fan of Simmonds and what he can bring, but no thanks. If it was that type of player, but in the same age range as Nylander, like M. Tkachuk, you could probably sell me on it. And if they’re unwilling to go above $6.5 mill for Nylander from age 22-29/ 30, not a chance they’re going to commit long term at the same money for a 30 year old who plays a rougher game and has harder miles on the body. For this to make sense for the leafs, Simmonds would have to be willing to sign an extension at the same money he’s making now (less than $4 mill) which he will never do, and should never do, he’s earned a nice raise for himself.

25 Sep 2018 13:38:48
Difference is, Simmonds is proven, at 6.5 on a 4 year deal its at a price where it could be moved. Plus it wouldn't run into his late 30s but mid 30s and would essentially be replacing Marleau's contract after this season.

25 Sep 2018 15:47:47
Well Marleau has another year after this season at $6.25mill too. Like I said, I like Simmonds and I like your idea of adding that type of player, I just don’t think Nylander is the guy you trade to acquire grit (unless you’re getting the player for his entire prime like Tkachuk) . Leafs have the leverage with Nylander and unless there’s a good upgrade at RHD available, just let him sit.

25 Sep 2018 17:15:21
Nylander had very little leverage before camp started, and with how well Ennis has played with Matthews, he has less. Not saying Ennis can replace Nylander, or that Dubas and Babcock are happy with that trade off lol but if matthews looked bad or had no chemistry with whoever played in Nylanders spot, it could force them to want Willy back quicker and pay more. But when a guy that is playing for league minimum and had recently been bought out is showing chemistry with Matthews and putting up numbers on his wing, it almost makes it look like Nylander isn’t as good as his numbers showed. I don’t believe that, but there is a case to be made, especially by management that they can put anyone with Matthews and get production.

25 Sep 2018 17:48:21
This is bad
Cmon Nylander for a 30 yrs aging top 6.

25 Sep 2018 18:34:29
Jim nailed it. I love Simmonds and I think the leafs need some physicality in the lineup, but not for a 22 year old stud.

25 Sep 2018 20:40:34
Nylander will only go for an upgrade on defense.

25 Sep 2018 20:40:36
Nylander litterly out produced Simmonds.

25 Sep 2018 23:29:04
There would have to be an add from Philly. At very least a 2nd coming with Simmonds.
I do feel that Simmonds is the type of player that would be great for the Leafs. Someone with a bit of an edge. However, as some of the Leafs fans have stated, If Nylander was to go, Defense is the position that would be coveted.

21 Sep 2018 17:10:59
With strong play from youth at camp, JVR and Patrick's ability to play net front on the power play, and for future cap concerns, Simmonds is a viable trade option. His injuries last year reduced his trade value a bit, but conditional picks should mitigate the risk for both teams.

Dallas isn't all in but they have talent on the roster and will try to progress this season, especially with Heiskanen emerging. Spezza's $7.5MM is coming off the books, although it's partially offset by Seguin's extension. Dallas does not have glaring cap issues and is in an income tax free state.

Dallas: Simmonds ($3.975MM UFA 2019)
Philadelphia: Conditional 2019 1st*, Conditional 2019 4th**, Conditional 2020 5th***

*Top 10 lottery protected. If pick is 1-10, Dallas has the option to defer to 2020 1st (unprotected) and a 2021 3rd
** If Simmonds re-signs, the pick becomes a 2019 2nd
*** If Simmonds scores 25+ goals in 2018-2019, the pick becomes a 2020 3rd

Worst case scenario for Dallas is that Simmonds flops (which he won't) and they're out a lottery protected 1st and two low picks. If Simmonds returns to form and re-signs, the Stars get a veteran 25-30 goal scorer that can play up and down the lineup at a cost of a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd.

21 Sep 2018 17:31:26
Too much for simmonds, sorry but he isn’t worth any potential lottery pic. The only trade I can see happening for him is a prospect and maybe a couple 2nd/ 3rds, the only way he’s getting a first is if it’s from a team that knows they are playoff bound.

21 Sep 2018 21:54:20
Is Dallas actually pretty bad now or am I missing something? I don’t think their 1st round will be in the top 10 of next years draft unless lottery odds work in their favor (If they do miss the playoffs)

21 Sep 2018 22:59:31
Simmonds will get a 1st at the deadline and possibly more if the flyers are out of contention.

22 Sep 2018 00:32:52

They’re extremely topheavy. After their sick first line, your relying on a KHL Nichuskin, Faksa who is a better defensive forward, and a bunch of questions.

Defense is good, and is much better than before, but is not top ten in the league.

And Bishop has fallen out of league favour pretty fast, imo; is barely a top15 goalie in the league anymore.

Theyre good, i'd say they make the playoffs, but their depth has really been exposed. theyd have to rely on Minny and Chicago falling out which is likely, but i'd probably take COL over them tvh.

22 Sep 2018 14:56:01
"Too much for simmonds, sorry but he isn’t worth any potential lottery pic" I know he isn't, that's why it's Top 10 protected. The reason why 2020 would be unprotected is that teams can just roll the pick forward indefinitely if they suck for a while. Frankly, Simmonds return shouldn't be that far off from Pacioretty. Same contract situation, same age, Pacioretty has a better stat line (but not that much), Simmonds is way better in the locker room etc. Not the same, but similar.

22 Sep 2018 18:06:39
Ohhhh yeah don’t pay too much attention to Dallas.

22 Aug 2018 05:34:45
Lets be realistic here and realize that the leafs are probably not going to be able to resign Gardiner. If they do, it'll probably require a certain Patrick Marleau to get traded. So that being said,

Option 1 (after July 1 next year):

TOR: Marleau

ARI: 4th or 5th round pick

Option 2:

TOR: Gardiner, Liljegren, Sparks, and 1st in 2020 (if Gardiner doesn't resign)

FLAMES: Gostisbehere

The Gardiner one probably isn't good enough and Philadelphia probably don't do it but I feel like Gardiner would go in a pretty big deal.

22 Aug 2018 05:58:47
Lol at that Ghost trade.

22 Aug 2018 13:46:27
I will bet money this will be Marleaus last year on the team. They front loaded the contract for a reason.

22 Aug 2018 13:55:18
First off, they won’t do that to Marleau. Second off, I’m assuming you mean flyers not flames. Thirdly, why can they sign Gardiner? What kind of a raise do you expect him to get?! Ryan Ellis justgot $6.25 mill. Gardiner makes just over $4mill now. The difference between what he makes now and him being paid more than Ryan Ellis is Ron Hainsey ($2.25mill) who’s contract ends the same day. And that’s if he eats the same or more than Ryan Ellis, which I have a hard time believing. You don’t operate in bad faith with a guy like Marleau over pennies. And flyers wouldn't take that deal.

22 Aug 2018 14:59:34
Marleau will probably retire and his contract will get traded. It was a way for the team to get him and give him more money. Almost positive this is how it turns out.

22 Aug 2018 15:41:52
Can’t see Marleau retiring, he’s still a productive player. Will probably retire a shark after his contract in Toronto is up or will sign for a year in San Jose first.

22 Aug 2018 15:43:26
so they are giving calgary assets to acquire a philly player? how does that work?

22 Aug 2018 17:21:41
Screwed that up, meant to be Flyers. I just don't feel like they can keep Marleau, Gardiner, Matthews, and Marner. I know the Gost trade is terrible, but it was just an idea. Ryan Elis is not a very good comparable because he said that he left money on the table to keep the Nashville core together. I would expect Gardiner to get at least that if he replicates last season's point totals. Plus I feel like they would definently do that to Marleau.

22 Aug 2018 19:17:08
They can't do that to Marleau, he has a NMC. he is definitely not going to waive that for ARI.

22 Aug 2018 21:17:58
Gardiner will be asked to leave money on the table to be part of a good team too, so I’d say he is comparable to the Ellis situation. Maybe not comparable player style, but both a year away from UFA, mid to late 20s and on good teams. If Gardiner wants to hit the jackpot (fully within his rights) he can do that on a team half as good. But no contending team can pay Gardiner $7mill+.

And if he’s asking $7mill, then not a chance philly trades a younger, cheaper player locked up for him lol.

28 Aug 2018 09:13:28
Calgary says yes.

15 Aug 2018 19:03:48
The Flyers should move Simmonds now because they will be facing a cap crunch when they need to sign their upcoming RFAs (Provorov, Konecny, Sanheim, Patrick) and can't give Simmonds the term and AAV he'll demand. Buffalo needs a character guy in the locker room to help change the culture and have the cap space in the short and medium term to sign him.

I've modelled it off the Schenn trade and adjusted for contracts, player value etc.

Philadelphia: Conditional SJ 1st 2019 (Kane trade), Conditional 2019 STL 1st (O'Reilly trade), Sobotka ($3.5MM UFA 2020) (borderline cap dump)

Buffalo: Simmonds ($3.975MM UFA 2018), Morin ($700k RFA 2021) NHL ready but injured until February (for the blue line long term)

Both should be firsts in the late teens or 20s.

15 Aug 2018 20:52:08
Seems like an overpayment from buffalo. He'll be an unrestricted free agent next year so his value decreases slightly due to the latter.

15 Aug 2018 23:17:28
What exactly are the conditions on the picks.

Values not bad for the beginning of the year.

15 Aug 2018 23:57:54
I would peg Simmonds as fetching a late first and a B prospect so I added Sobotka and Morin to balance things out. Buffalo has short and medium term cap space to resign Simmonds. I think Simmonds may want to commit to Buffalo if they give him AAV and term, he can play on an up and coming team with Eichel and Dahlin, and is close to Toronto. It also seems Buffalo is willing to part with futures for current talent to become relevant again and have a shot at the playoffs.

16 Aug 2018 18:14:15
2 1sts for rental? Big overpayment. + buffalos 1st will most likely be bottom 5. They lost there best 2 way forward and winger but replaced Kane with Skinner and you can’t count on a 18 year old dman to carry a team.

16 Aug 2018 18:37:02
He doesn't have buffalos 1st in this trade if you look they are both from other teams they also aren't just getting simmonds. Unless your thinking that morin is equal to sobotka.

16 Aug 2018 20:17:13
Yeah, it’s not Sabres own 1st rounder. But still it is apparently based on the Brayden Schenn trade but the blues got a 25 year old Schenn at $5 mill for 3 more years. This is one year and Simmonds, who is turning 30 in a week. He’s great at what he does, but I don’t see the 2 players as that comparable, or their current situations, so I wouldn’t assume that similar of a return. That’s just me though lol.

16 Aug 2018 21:59:13
Ohh okay my apologies but with that being said at the deadline I could see him maybe getting a 1st or a 2nd + a prospect like Liespic he had a weak season last year similar to Patches.

03 Aug 2018 14:48:00
If Tampa acquires and extends Karlsson (RHD), they need to move out salary and go all in this and next year.

Philadelphia: Girardi ($3MM UFA 2019), Callahan ($5.8MM UFA 2020 NTC), Foote, 2020 1st (TB)
Tampa: Vecchione, Leier

Vecchione is NHL ready but can't crack the roster and Leier has NHL experience. Both are cheap and would be great depth players for a long playoff run which Tampa is poised to do. Callahan might waive to go to a good, young, emerging team if he's smart enough to realize he's an impediment in TB.

Philadelphia has the cap space to take on these contracts without impeding future deals (Provorov, Konecny, Patrick etc). Foote and Myers would be the Flyers RHD of the future.

San Jose: Simmonds ($3.975MM UFA 2019)
Philadelphia: 2019 2nd (FLA), 2020 1st (SJS)

It's doubtful that the Flyers can re-sign Simmonds long term. If the Flyers acquire Callahan, Simmonds is surplus value and should go to a contender that can pay him $5-7MM for 4-6 years. With Thornton coming off the books, the Sharks can extend Simmonds for their window. Philadelphia has Voracek, Konecny, and Allison as RW long term.

Philadelphia maximizes their return while using cap space and roster spots. 2019 Draft priority is RW.

Flyers 2020-2021 Roster:


In waiting: Ratcliffe, Farabee, Rubstov, Vorobyev, Strome, Sushko, O'Brien


03 Aug 2018 15:21:37
Good post.

03 Aug 2018 20:05:43
Foote and a 1st to move out Cally? Don’t think so. It’ll prolly just take the 1st. Cause Girardi is basically just a rental cause his contract ends before any resigning would be done.

Simmonds trade isn’t that bad imo, but ain’t that third line a bit inexperienced? Idk, i'd prefer Simmonds there imo.

04 Aug 2018 07:10:37
Foote and 1st is way too steep a price to pay to trade Callahans remaining contract. Could as well buy him out next summer. And you think if Vecchione and Leier can't crack PHIs arguably worse F corps, they will make it on TB? Weird logic
Either send some good value back or take out Foote and then TB maybe considers it.

01 Aug 2018 07:03:29
Flyers: Dale Weise, Michael Raffl, Scott Laughton, 4th 2020

Canucks Trade: Brandon Sutter, 2nd 2019.

02 Aug 2018 01:46:08
Awesome, just what the Canucks need.

30 Jul 2018 01:51:42
WPG: Kulikov, Lipon
PHI: Goulbourne

30 Jul 2018 15:42:16
The Jets have Vesalainen, Lemieux and Suess who are younger and have same or more upside than Goulbourne so I can't see them making this trade unless they are trying to dump Kulikov's salary.

30 Jul 2018 19:05:07
But why would they dump Kulikovs contract?! Last week Kulikov was better than Morgan Rielly, Jake Gardiner and Nikita Zaitsev lol.

23 Jul 2018 23:25:51
Phillipe Myers (RHD - 678K x 2 Years) + Jori Lehtera (C - 4.7 Million x 1 Year) to the Toronto Maple Leafs in exchange for Josh Leivo (LW/ RW - 650K x 1 Year) + Eamon McAdam (G - 800K x 1 Year) + 2019 5th Round Pick.

I know, it looks like Toronto fleeces Philly. But Philly wants to be a playoff contender this year, and can use the extra 4 Million in Cap Space if they decide to try and improve their roster via trade (Panarin, Skinner, Duchene possibly, maybe even a goalie) . Myers is a RHD prospect, and it does hurt to lose that, but Lehtera is legitimately useless, and is being paid 4.1 Million. If he can be dumped in the AHL he should be, and Toronto has nearly 20 million in cap space. Leivo can be a bottom six guy in Philly, and Myers could be a top 6 dman in Toronto.

Only reason I chose Philly is because they have a surplus of d (Ghost, Sanheim, Gudas, Prov, Morin) . Plus, it may seem like a lot to dump one year of a bad contract, but CHI dumped one year of Bickell with Teuvo for only a 2nd.

24 Jul 2018 05:18:35
I actually like this deal for both teams, Lehtera can be a 4th line center or AHLer for TOR and we get another RHD in our pool (something we can definitely use) and PHI gets rid of the cap while adding some potential goal scoring in Leivo (who TOR can replace from within the system) .

24 Jul 2018 15:13:11
Don’t think Philly does this but I’d take it from the Leafs POV.

25 Jul 2018 11:36:49
This is a good offer makes sense for both teams.

28 Jul 2018 17:17:18
I say no from Philly. Philly does have a bunch of D but not many RHD, they're expecting Myers to slot into top 4 then top pair eventually. You'll need to send more to philly for one if their top prospects especially when Hextall does not like to move prospects. I do like the idea of the trade tho.

22 Jul 2018 00:02:52
To Philly; 67

To Mtrl; Simmonds, Raffl, sec round pic


22 Jul 2018 14:32:21
Why do people on here think that Pacioretty is some type of superstar?

Pacioretty: 2017-2018 17G 20A 37P -16, $4.5MM UFA 2019, age 29
Simmonds: 2017-2018 24G 22A 46P -16, $3.975MM UFA 2019, age 29

Both have a great history of scoring goals but Simmonds is great in the locker room, heart and soul kinda guy (beloved in Philly), will want a raise but not have a chip on his shoulder like Patches, had a better last season, and is cheaper on this contract and probably the next one too.

Keep your baby, Habs fans.

22 Jul 2018 15:34:04
See I’m a habs fan I’ve watched a lot of patch, I don’t see how he is a “baby” to some people. He goes into the corners and battles hard, just because he’s 6’2 and doesn’t try to bulldoze his way through people doesn’t mean he’s a “baby”. Just look at big Joe he rarely runs people over is he a baby?

22 Jul 2018 16:29:03
This is the first time iv ever seen somebody use a number referring to a player before oooo.

22 Jul 2018 19:21:33
Pacioretty is captain man I'm sure he's not a locker room trouble.

22 Jul 2018 20:48:39
Mike Richards was captain in philly and pronger came in as a more seasoned, proven leader and the dressing room was split a year later. That wasn’t a secret.

That situation is pretty similar to patches and Weber. Not saying it’s for sure the same thing, but also wouldn’t say just because he’s captain there can’t be trouble. I think there’s been a lot of smoke around patches being traded and they have moved out other players that have been off ice issues recently. Don’t think it’s a big stretch to think there could be some guys not getting along with him there.

22 Jul 2018 21:13:41
We'll they voted him in as captain so if there is a problem they can all blame themselves. but we can only assume cause we are not in the room. My point was to the guy who said simmonds is great in the room. Maybe he's trouble too by your logic. but as it stands patch is a captain so that argument is pretty stupid imo.

22 Jul 2018 23:32:58
I don’t think they “voted” patches to be captain lol they aren’t 8 year olds, the management and coaching staff pick captains haha but still just bcuz you’re captain doesn’t mean you can’t cause trouble but I’m sure he’s a good locker room guy.

22 Jul 2018 23:49:14
It’s a bad trade. Why trade Simmonds + to get patches? Same age, same position, same term left, patches has slightly higher salary and Simmonds has had success in philly and plays there game. Makes no sense to pay extra assets.

23 Jul 2018 05:19:01
@mcjesus, they did actually vote him captain! Lol I remember hearing it at the time and even kypreos on sportsnet made the same joke. “Why is an NHL team being run like peewee houseleague? ”

P. K. subban announces his $10 mill hospital donation the day before they voted (convenient lol) and when he wasn’t voted captain they said that was a big turning point for him there.

23 Jul 2018 06:11:22
Hahahahaha no way that’s crazyy haha.

23 Jul 2018 07:21:30
CTC55: I call him a baby not for his on ice play, but for all of the drama associated with that guy (contract demands, captaincy etc) . I like skilled finesse players the same as hard hitting players, so that has no bearing on my opinion of him as a player. Frankly, my misgivings with some elements of the Canadiens aside, Habs fans deserve much better than the drama-filled tire fire that is that franchise.

23 Jul 2018 14:49:44
I think there’s some guys that just command respect and have to be the leader. That guy to me is Shea Weber. When he was 27 years old surrounded by other NHL players 18-40 years old he still looks and acts like a man among boys. When they made the subban trade for him, I thought he should have been named captain, or this paccioretty being scapegoated was inevitable. Not that Patches wasn’t doing a good job, but something about Weber tells me the guy would be the alpha in a room with chuck Norris and Steven Segal. I watched some jets coverage talking about Blake wheeler and they were saying they all thought Ladd was a great captain till he left and Wheeler took over. Wheeler is another level. I think habs fans (not you Habby) but others I’ve talked to, management and ownership are ready for a new leader.

23 Jul 2018 20:58:56
@ Eazy E, Fair point on the drama but IMO he's behaved reasonable. It's the same with all contracts you try to get the best you can out of it, he hasn't said anything disrespectful towards the media.

Sorry for kinda pointing you out it's just I've seen so many people (on this site and on others) say he's a big baby that dives once he is touched and say he's not worth a 2nd RD pick. I just think people forget that they aren't just things they're people too and deserve some respect.

18 Jul 2018 21:48:33
WPG: Trouba, Little, Petan
PHI: Gostisbehere, Patrick

18 Jul 2018 22:54:34
This trade could be doable but the Jets would have to be patient with Patrick as he has been rushed into the NHL before he was really ready. Trouba is much better defensively than Gostisbehere who is superior offensively. Both teams win and lose so its a good proposal.

19 Jul 2018 00:23:48
No. The Jets don't need another offensive D man at the cost of a defensive D man.

19 Jul 2018 00:25:26
Okay so Little and Petan have basically no value ( late first packaged ) so Ghost ( the better player) for Trouba and you’re getting Patrick for free. Just to put in perspective for the three major fan bases on this site as a defencman Ghost ( 65 points ) out produced Nylander ( 61 points ), Ehlers ( 60 Points ) and came close to oilers franchise phenomenon/ super star 2nd best player in the planet Leon Draisaitl ( only 5 more Points with 70 )

19 Jul 2018 00:31:49
Holy Fluk. You haven't gotten one close. Not even a little.

19 Jul 2018 01:02:06
Yeah that's a huge no. Patrick and ghost lol.

19 Jul 2018 04:30:39
What are you saying lol no from Philly bruh 🙄.

19 Jul 2018 08:26:08
No from Philly and it's not close.
Ghost > Trouba
Patrick >>> Little and Petan.

19 Jul 2018 11:38:17
You cantactually say Patrick is better than proven leaders, point scorers. Yes he has a massive ceiling and is still young, but so did aki berg. Value wise, it's a no from both teams, your losing 2 key players from a contender for 2 players who haven't proven they can win in the playoffs. And Patrick would probably only be traded for a high ceiling offensive talent since he is purely a cheaper/ less skilled version of Matthews, with a couple more years of development.

19 Jul 2018 11:43:47
Lol. You're a sad little man VBB. Always throwing random little jabs in at the Oilers. Get over yourself man. Why are you so butt hurt all the time you need to take shots on oilers players when they have absolutely nothing to do with the post.

19 Jul 2018 14:15:43
I was just putting his value in perspective lol.

20 Jul 2018 16:12:26
Not really sure how you can compare Patrick to Mathews two completely different types of players.

16 Jul 2018 02:49:49
Toronto Maple Leafs:

- Kasperi Kapanen

Philadelphia Flyers:

- Samuel Morin


Toronto needs that physical defenceman on their blueline. Morin is 6'6 and 210lbs. Would fit that need perfectly.

The Flyers have a lack of depth on RW. With Simmonds looking like he can be on the way out from Philly and Brayden Schenn being traded, the Flyers need to improve.

Both players have had AHL success but could not turn it into NHL success.

16 Jul 2018 06:32:54
Toronto needs rhd imo.

16 Jul 2018 12:45:26
Would want a righty. Also have heard a lot of people praise Morin on here but never really seen him play. However been really impressed by kapanen and think his speed and skill is about to make him break out. He’s been used as a 4th liner and on the P. K. but is about to get time with Kadri plus PP.

16 Jul 2018 14:59:20
What about McKeon from the Canes? He shoots right.

16 Jul 2018 15:20:43
I would not trade Kappanen for a LHD. The leafs would rather trade Brown or Hyman.

16 Jul 2018 17:06:50
McKewon makes more sense. Still a little hesitant to trade kapanen tho. Not saying he’s untouchable lol I’d trade him in a package for an upgrade on D. Just believe in him enough that I wouldn’t risk a straight swap for someone else really unproven. He has all the tools to be really good in today’s NHL and still only 21.

16 Jul 2018 17:07:43
And with JT replacing bozak, that means kap and Johnsson should get a good opportunity to replace JVR And komarov.

17 Jul 2018 08:03:55
I'd ask the Ducks if they're willing to do Manson/ Montour for Kapanen + pick/ prospect.

17 Jul 2018 12:34:27
I would too @benn. Just think it’s a very big + for Manson and a fairly big one for Montour.

17 Jul 2018 14:05:27
Yeah, that's probably true. I have no idea how much value both guys have.

17 Jul 2018 14:40:43
Manson hasn’t even started his 4yr/ $4.1mill contract there. Trading for a young Dman that good with 4 years term at a good cap hit Will be extremely expensive. And I believe the team still has RFA control after (might be wrong on that), but that’s another advantage.

17 Jul 2018 18:16:51
Manson is like 26 I believe so he’s not young he’s in his prime ducks have no more RFA control.

17 Jul 2018 20:55:45
Guys, if you really want to trade for Roland McKeown do it, but not a great idea. He isn't going to be more than a 3rd pairing/ 7th defenceman in the NHL. You could probably sign somebody better and without giving up a player.

McKeown has 35P in 140 AHL games.

18 Jul 2018 12:14:22
No value for philly. hextall hangs up phone.

20 Jul 2018 15:00:25
And they would say yes as long as the prospect is Timothy lilijegreen.


Tor:Lilijegreen, Kapanen,2rd 2019.

15 Jul 2018 10:48:40
Habs: Max Pacioretty
Flyers: Samuel Morin, Dale Weise, 2019 first, 2020 conditional 3 round pick
Condition: If he re-signs or not

15 Jul 2018 23:17:36
Honestly I’d say no from Montreal but I have no idea what patches will get as a return.

16 Jul 2018 01:27:52
I’d take that if I was the habs!

16 Jul 2018 17:27:56
Patches is a really interesting one. I see trade offers all over the map that I could realistically see as being close. Like mcjesus said, I have no idea either what his real value is. But atleast the habs seem to be showing some patience to get the best for him rather than getting hosed like hoffman.

18 Jul 2018 12:14:51
Lol on the kapanen for Morin trade.

02 Jul 2018 03:10:49
The Flames and Flyers are looking good with Flyers signing Van Riemsdyk and Flames signing Ryan and Czarnik. Flames really need a RW though and Philly could gain a little cap.

To Calgary Flames
• (RW) Wayne Simmonds (3.975M x 1YR)
To Philadelphia Flyers
• (C) Mark Jankowski (RFA)
• (2019) Second-Round Pick
• (G) Jon Gillies (RFA)

Flames Projected Line-Up:

Johnny Gaudreau - Sean Monahan - Wayne Simmonds
Matthew Tkachuk - Sam Bennett - Elias Lindholm
Austin Czarnik - Mikael Backlund - Michael Frolik
Garnet Hathaway - Derek Ryan - Troy Brouwer

Mark Giordano - TJ Brodie
Noah Hanifin - Travis Hamonic
Rasmus Andersson - Michael Stone

Flyers Projected Line-Up:

James Van Riemsdyk - Claude Giroux - Jakub Voracek
Oskar Lindblom - Nolan Patrick - Travis Konecny
Sean Couturier - Mark Jankowski - Michael Raffl
Jordan Weal - Joni Lehtera - Scott Laughton

Ivan Provorov - Andrew MacDonald
Johnny Oduya - Shayne Gostisphere
Brandon Manning - Radko Gudas

02 Jul 2018 03:31:17
Sean Couturier on the 3rd line? I want what you’re on.

02 Jul 2018 03:49:05
no way philly takes this, i can see them doing something involving bennett in return but there's little to no nhl talent going back to philly and a 2nd rounder.

02 Jul 2018 04:49:23
Sean couturier took over Giroux as 1C this year pushing him to LW and put up over 30 goals and almost 80 pts while being a Selke finalist. So what does that prove? That he’s a 3rd line winger! Hahaha.

03 Jul 2018 03:38:09
I agree with cousins, no way the flyers accept this.

29 Jun 2018 18:54:57
With the Flyers definitely out of the Tavares sweepstakes and Tampa Bay being a realistic, albeit less likely possibility, Hextall could take on a toxic contract that ends in 2018 to continue to build his prospect pool:

Philadelphia: Raddysh, Coburn (cap dump), 2019 3rd
Tampa Bay: Rights to Hagg

Tampa gets cap flexibility to sign Tavares and gets a young NHL defenceman with a ceiling of a #4. Philadelphia takes an inflated contract and firms up their RW prospect pool.

***This trade is conditional on Tavares indicating to Yzerman that he wants to sign in Tampa.


Philadelphia: Kulikov, 2019 1st
Winnipeg: Future considerations

29 Jun 2018 20:11:02
That contract would be Callahan not Couburn.

29 Jun 2018 20:24:18
Kulikov and a 1st for what futures? The Jets would want an idea of what this package would get them.

29 Jun 2018 21:45:41
Kulikovs contract isn't that bad (if he can stop getting injured) especially with enstrom gone.

29 Jun 2018 18:54:39
Philadelphia: 2019 1st (VGK), 2020 2nd (DAL), 2019 3rd (WPG), conditional 2020 2nd (PIT)*
Vegas: Simmonds ($3.975MM until 2019)

*only if Simmonds re-signs with Vegas

Vegas gets a for a consistent goal-scorer and locker room leader with the long term cap space in a tax free environment to give Simmonds the deal he deserves. Philadelphia gets draft picks and allows them to re-sign their upcoming RFAs (Konecny, Provorov, Sanheim etc). This would be similar to the Tatar trade before the deadline.

29 Jun 2018 19:28:52
Pretty good, just Vegas trades their first this year which was fine because they finished so well. They’re going to lose a cpl players this year and that performance would be near impossible to repeat anyway. Add to that that their system has 3 good first rounders from last year in it, but isn’t stocked yet like other teams having 4-5 years of firsts playing or close to it. Could be dangerous trading 2 of your first 3 years of 1st rounders as a brand new franchise.

21 Jun 2018 23:02:35
BUF:Morin,19th overall,2019 2nd


22 Jun 2018 03:24:26
Definitely not even close.

22 Jun 2018 07:18:23
I’m a big O’Reilly fan as well vbb’s. Curious to know what you think it would take if the leafs wanted him? If Bozak doesn’t come back, Mathews, O’Reilly and Kadri would be nice. I know defense is the first priority, I’m just wondering value wise because you seem to think O’Reilly is a stud.

22 Jun 2018 14:17:37
He’s a great 2way player but I feel the leafs should use the 7.8 million cap hit he carry’s elsewhere ( RHD ) . Kadri fills the 2c role greatly. Yes O’Rielly is better but I don’t see him having chemistry with players like Marner and Nylander. He’d do best with a winger like Jamie Benn, Blake Wheeler or Phil Kessel. Babcock would love him that’s for sure tho. Buffalo would probably ask for Nylander which I wouldn’t do as a leafs fan. Don’t think Nylander will ever be as good as o’rielly tho.

22 Jun 2018 20:20:51
I agree they need defense. I wanted O’Reilly when Buffalo signed him.

17 Jun 2018 15:31:13
Bruins give:
- Anton khudobin
- nick Holden

Flyers give:
- petr mrazek
- Andrew Mcdonald

Bruins swap good goalie for good goalie but the bruins get the younger one and the flyers have five goalies
And the bruins aren't going to sign Holden back i know he'll be a free agent I just couldn't find a fair trade partner for McDonald but Mcdonald did good this year to add a good depth on defence

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