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03 Dec 2018 12:58:08
Toronto: Nylander@7.9million for 8 years

Philly: Simmonds, Seinham, Hagg, 2rd2019

Would Toronto consider?

03 Dec 2018 13:52:04
Where have you been all weekend? Lol it’s decenber 3rd.

03 Dec 2018 14:54:12
Nylander said he didn't want a bridge deal because he wants to be in Toronto long term. Babcock thinks he's going to retire a Leaf.

01 Dec 2018 15:02:53
Philly
Macdonald, Raffl, Sanheim, 2nd round pick

Toronto:
Nylander, Brown, Gardiner or Dermot

01 Dec 2018 15:25:06
That package is weak for Nylander. Really bad for Nylander and brown and absolutely terrible if adding Gardiner or dermott. Especially dermott. Troll I’m assuming? Lol.

01 Dec 2018 16:31:07
You are under valuing Sanheim. Potential top pairing d-man is well worth nylander who has a limited market because of salary demands. Raffl is a former 20 goal man vety strong on the puck. You must be a leafs fan are ya? Macdonald is in there to help free up $$ to sign Nylander hence the 2nd rd pick.

01 Dec 2018 17:16:44
You have to ask if Jim's a Leafs fan? Ya must be new around here lol. Welcome aboard,
Your going to have to add., Sanheim may be good, but I don't think he tips the scale enough for that package. Raffl, I nothing special
How about making a way that Simmonds is going to Toronto with a D man for Nylander?

01 Dec 2018 17:17:13
Brown is a younger raffl, very hard on the puck as well, also a former 20 goal scorer and a Babcock favourite. I’d keep brown over him but call that a wash for simplificstion. You say Sanheim is worth Nylander alone, I strongly disagree as do most people on here I’m sure, but again, call that a wash if you want to. A cap dump and a 2nd for Gardiner, our 2nd best Dman, in a year we are trying to win? Or for dermott, a young player that has shown elite mobility and is going to be replacing Gardiner after the season?! Lol not a chance that’s close. IF the first 2 comparables are equal, which they’re not, it’s still bad for leafs.

01 Dec 2018 17:50:48
That’s a gross package.

Nolan Patrick, Oscar Lindholm And Sanhiem for Horton, Lievo, Dermotte And 2nd?

Patrick=Nylander IMO.

01 Dec 2018 21:15:44
Know leafs fans want a boat load for nylander but not going to get it. going to sign for too much, or get traded for less then market value. Teams don't want a pretty unproven player that sits out rather then being on a potential contender. kane, gaudreau, McKinnon all waaaaay better players and signed in 6-6.5 range on second contract. Nobody wants nylander at his asking price or would be signed or traded by now.

01 Dec 2018 21:56:24
Patrick = Nylander 😂.

02 Dec 2018 07:01:51
Shoots, gaidreau and Mackinnon were signed 2 off seasons ago but you’re right, they’re better players and signed in that range. The Kane one was $6.3 mill signed 8 offseasons ago. That’s a bit of a stretch to use lol.

02 Dec 2018 16:43:46
The difference in timing between Nylanders contract and Kane’s, is the same length as Kanes 2nd contract and Jason spezzas! Lol that’s going a little further back than fair.

02 Dec 2018 16:45:25
I was criticized for comparing draisatl to mackinnon and scheifeles deals because they were 14 months apart or whatever, but Nylanders overpaid because he makes more that Kane signed for 8 years prior haha 😂.

01 Dec 2018 14:55:49
Philadelphia flyers:
Saneim, Macdonald, 2nd round pick

Toronto Maple Leafs:
Nylander, Gardiner or Dermot.

Toronto gets a veteran (on last year of contract) and a young promising dman. A second round pick to sweeten the pot. Toronto sheds some cotact worries with Gardiner going or give up a young dman who don't have the upside of Sanheim. Macdonald in there to make $$ room for signing Nylander.
Philly gets some much needed scoring punch, and a servicable dman in either dermot or Gardiner.

30 Nov 2018 15:53:40
30 hrs left in this soap opera...

To TOR: Sandheim, Simmonds, Farabee

To PHI: Nylander, Holl, Rosen and a conditional 3rd (Becomes a 2nd if Simmonds re-signs)

30 Nov 2018 21:55:19
The leafs can’t afford to resign Simmonds. I would be very interested in a trade along the lines of Sanheim and Simmonds for Nylander. The leafs have the money this year for Simmonds and he’s exactly the type of player the leafs need. Is Sanheim plus half a year of Simmonds fair value for Nylander, I’m not sure. Good post though.

01 Dec 2018 04:02:50
Appears at first glance to be underwhelming return for Nylander: a pending UFA that won’t be re-signed, a possible top 4 defenseman who would likely be 3rd pairing on Leafs behind Rielly and Dermott, and a highly rated prospect player that is at least three years away from making the NHL.

But then you realize that the signing deadline is like maybe 12 hours away, and this trade gives us a physical top line RW that replaces Nylander for the duration of the season, a high quality defensive prospect that replaces Gardiner next year, and a future prospect forward projected to be top 6.

We get something for this year, something for next year, and something to come in the year following that. A constant influx of new talent. And all for a guy that we don’t need and isn’t even playing.

29 Nov 2018 21:11:41
Chicago: Keith +2nd
toronto: Gardiner, Kapenen, 3rd

Chicago: Anisimov
NJD: 3rd, 5th

Chicago: Crawford+ 3rd
Philly: Hart +2nd

Chicago: Seabrook (50% Retained)
Boston: Vladar + 2nd.

29 Nov 2018 23:23:25
Why is Philly giving the better pick with Hart?!

30 Nov 2018 00:04:04
Toronto shouldn't take Keith contract, and Kapanen is at an all time high in value.

New Jersey may do that, but they have decently good centre depth (Hischier/ Zajac/ McLeod/ Zacha/ / Boyle) and ZAjac is a huge contract altogether, probably don't want Anisimov as well.

Philly is bankinh on Hart, i don't think they take a gamble on an older goalie for him.

And idk about the last one. Seabrook at 50 is decent imo.

30 Nov 2018 00:48:29
Interesting you bringing up Keith what with the discussion about Pietrangelo below. Less than 2 years ago Keith came 4th in Norris trophy voting. Now nobody believes he is anywhere near top 50 even and that once sweet contract of his is a boat anchor. It just shows how fast a player can fall down the rankings and deteriorate in performance. Another great example is Karlsson. Once considered the best defenseman in the world not long ago, Karlsson should not be taken seriously as a top 10 defender in the NHL anymore.

I guess age eventually captures up with everyone.

29 Nov 2018 16:31:48
WPG: Trouba, Little, 2nd Round Pick 2019, Harkins
PHI: Provorov, Patrick

Flyers get a solid #1 RHD that can contribute offensively and defensively. They get a #2 C to play behind Couturier as well as add a lower level prospect and a draft pick. Could be very beneficial to their team for this year.

Jets solve the Trouba problem and get a promising RHD that can play with Morrisey on the top pair. Also add a younger C from Winnipeg with a ton of potential. Jets extend their window to contend by adding younger cheaper players.

Overall both teams aren't living up to expectations. This trade could be beneficial to both and could help for now and the future.

Thoughts?

29 Nov 2018 17:29:43
Easy no from philly. They have complete control over those players for years to come. Little is a decent player but overpaid and Trouba has only a year left before another tough negotiation. Provorov will be better than Trouba and Patrick has a great chance at being far better than Little. I wouldn’t think about that if I were philly and the perks were Harkins and a 2nd rounder.

29 Nov 2018 18:09:04
I would think the Flyers would want a C closer to making it to the NHL if they are moving Patrick. Provorov and Trouba are close, but Philly would probably rather stay with the cheaper guy rather than add a large contract. I can't see Philly replacing to entry level contacts with two big contacts.

29 Nov 2018 18:43:04
Trouba is worth half of Provorov imo and Little and a second and Harkins doesn't get u the other half of Provorv and Patrick.

29 Nov 2018 18:46:25
Is this a joke trade? Because Philly doesn't even consider this. I often joke about GM’s hanging up and blocking other GM’s numbers but this is so far away from being a good trade that I can actually see it happening.

29 Nov 2018 21:40:22
The Jets won't be trading Trouba until the draft if he remains unsigned. The Flyers are on a list of a dozen teams that would want a #1 right shot d-man so the Jets will see what they can get for him then.

29 Nov 2018 16:20:28
WPG: Little
PHI: Patrick

29 Nov 2018 17:36:03
What incentive does philly have to do that? Patrick is younger, cheaper, has a higher ceiling and they are not a contender.

29 Nov 2018 17:36:31
Yeah. a 20 year old 2nd overall draft pick from 2017 for a 31 year old who actually had less points than the 20 year old last year. You’re clueless. Please never post a trade again.

29 Nov 2018 18:10:30
No incentive for the Flyers to do this at all. I also highly doubt the Flyers are ready to give up on Patrick.

29 Nov 2018 18:44:20
Now I get why u thought you're other proposal was fair. U think Little and Patrick have the same value! Lol Patrick is easily worth Trouba himself.

29 Nov 2018 19:00:35
I’m assuming since Arizona gave up on strome so quickly, a very underwhelming return for 19 and 20 year old top picks is the new ‘trade de jour’? One mistake doesn’t set the new value. Not with contracts and certainly not with trades. Ppl recognize other GMs mistakes and learn from them, not replicate them.

29 Nov 2018 21:35:23
The Jets would have to add a young player or two with grit and toughness that the Flyers want and need. I'm not sure what player or players the Flyers would want added but the Jets have a few untouchables.

29 Nov 2018 04:40:53
Leafs trade Nylander, Kadri, Sandin, 2x1st
Philadelphia trades Provorov, Patrick, Hart

Marleau/ Matthews/ Kapanen
Hyman/ Tavares/ Marner
Johnsson/ Patrick/ Brown
Lindholm/ Gauthier/ (Leivo)

Rielly/ Hainsey
Provorov/ Zaitsev
Dermott/ Hainsey
*Ozhiganov

Gardiner gets traded to whoever wants him for a 1st to recoup one of our picks. It would likely be a better pick than our 1st anyway.

29 Nov 2018 05:01:30
Remove kadri and Patrick and 1 1st rounder to start.

29 Nov 2018 05:52:08
Nylander, Sandin, 1st for Provorov and Hart? I don’t think Philly does that.

I tried to put up an overwhelming offer here.

The big risk is that Patrick takes a little longer than hoped to reach potential. Playing on Leafs should help speed up his development though.

29 Nov 2018 07:55:01
Nope, Philly don't take that either. Just a start to breakdown the salary issues.

29 Nov 2018 09:38:26
Philly has $8M in cap space. We can take Lehtera as cap dump. That should be more than enough to make it work.

29 Nov 2018 14:06:23
Provorov is much better than any Leaf in that offer.

29 Nov 2018 16:32:43
@memarcusjoe

What are you doing on this thread? This wasn’t a Winnipeg trade. Lol.

That package is overwhelming and you know it. Kadri >>> Patrick. And all the rest of the pieces easily equals Provorov. If Hextall refuses a trade like this he should be fired. Oh wait. Too late. Maybe if he made this trade he would still have his job.

29 Nov 2018 17:48:31
Nylander gets Patrick. Kadri, Sandin and a first gets Provorov, that leaves 1 first for Hart? Not even close, Philly says no.

29 Nov 2018 18:18:37
LeafsGM,
It may not be a bad offer value wise, but you are not offering them anything to replace Provorov. Sandin is alright, but I would think they want Liljegren. Plus they would have to take an overpaid Nylander as well. It's not just about getting the most value it is also about value for the dollar.

29 Nov 2018 18:45:04
LeafsGm

Patrick>>Kadri.

29 Nov 2018 18:52:17
Actually, I was thinking

Kadri + 1st = Patrick + Hart
Nylander + Sandin + 1st = Provorov

But if you want to value it differently is fine. And by all means, remove Hart and one 1st from the deal and what you have left is still a damn good trade for both teams.

Kadri is way more valuable right now than Patrick. He’s looking good, but is pretty far removed from the hype surrounding him when he was drafted. He is probably going to work out well, but still a big risk from Toronto trading a 30+ goal scoring center for a sophomore who is putting up mediocre numbers.

29 Nov 2018 20:45:33
Bad for Philly
Patrick=Kadri
Hart=Sandin And a 1st
Provorov>>> Nylander And 1st.

29 Nov 2018 21:56:13
@vb

This is where we have to agree to disagree, because imo, Patrick is definitely not equal to Kadri. Kadri is everything Philly hopes Patrick turns into. A 30 goal scorer who can play all aspects of the game and is on a good contract. Kadri is immediate and significant help without waiting for development. Philly needs to improve and this trade would do that.

@memarcusjoe

Philly already has Sanheim, who is doing very well this year. They also have Morin and Gonning, and now would have Sandin as well. I think Philly has enough defensemen they will be ok. I actually wasn’t even going to include Sandin at first, but couldn’t think of anyone else that would work (we need Liljegren and none of our forward prospects are all that great) .

I knew these were both good proposals when I floated them. And what I mean by good is that I knew they would get the discussion going. Both threads got a lot of attention.

28 Nov 2018 20:17:02
Here's one that doesn't include Nylander.

Jets trade Trouba, Perreault, Copp and Lowry

Flyers Trade Provorov & Patrick.

The Jets get two young players that can be slowly integrated into their lineup.
The Flyers looking to get tougher get 2 young tough players, a #1 right shot d-man they have wanted for years and a reliable veteran that knows what it takes to win. The only fear for the Jets is that Patrick becomes another RNH, tons of potential but plays too soft.

28 Nov 2018 20:27:04
Im sorry but taht maybe only gets Provorov. Trouba with all his contract issues and ethic issues and age compared to Prov is obvs worth less (Prov is going to be one of the best dman of the future imo), Perraulet doesn't even factor into this equation all that much (30-40 point guy whos okder on a big contract), Copp is a capped our third liner and Lowry is just a 3C.

28 Nov 2018 21:40:13
Trouba and Provorov might be close in value, but I don't think the Flyers would be ready to give up on Patrick yet. The Jets would need to take out Perreault and Copp and add Ves or other prospects to Philly's liking if they were going after Patrick.

28 Nov 2018 23:08:27
Trouba is not close to Provorov. Give me Provorov anyday.

28 Nov 2018 23:54:14
I agree with both Topshelf and Memarcus as this trade would really have a poor chance of happening. However I heard that Philly wasn't happy with Patricks progress and his soft style of play. They also wanted tougher and grittier players and have desperately wanted Trouba for a couple of years. I think the Jets need to shake up their team and I just threw this trade out as I thought it might answer needs both teams have.

29 Nov 2018 01:22:18
Talk about extreme overpayment coming from Philly lol.

29 Nov 2018 02:36:57
Prov>>>>that whole package that guy will be a star.

29 Nov 2018 04:05:19
I think you have to add comrie at least.

27 Nov 2018 19:32:50
Read in article

Oil: Talbot

Philly: One of Pickard, Lyon or Elliot + draft pick or prospect.

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My proposal is Talbot for Pickard + Mike Vecchione

Apparently oilers have been listening to offers on Talbot, and I believe they are prepared to part ways if a deal can be made.

Oilers get a younger backup goalie who I think can be good one day and a player who I think would benefit Edmonton. Vecchione I think can be expendable for philly but he did sign her after his college career ended. So might be tough to send him away.

Flyers get an upgrade in net, and could ultimately be a short term or long term piece depending on if Talbot can improve his game.

Anyways just a thought. Depends on how flyers view Talbot imo.

27 Nov 2018 20:32:34
Hard to pick agoslie out of philly because they have all been awful this season. I think that Lyon kid has some potential still. Pickards having a tough go, but could turn it around.

27 Nov 2018 20:35:21
You read this on beer league heroes definitely not a credible source .

28 Nov 2018 04:57:59
I doesn’t matter where it came from I gave my own proposal lol.

28 Nov 2018 14:55:38
How good of a fit would Simmonds be with McDavid Nuge or Drai. I've always wanted him. Maybe if Philly thinks they won't resign him we can try and get him as well? Do we have to add a 1st to Talbot for Pickard, Simmonds, Vecchione? Try to resin Simmonds off season. Philly also resigns Talbot. Or can Oilers swap out a prospect and a 2nd or 3rd? Depending on what prospect maybe there's one philly would like, we have a lot of prospects playing well right now actually.
Anyways, Maybe Talbot could be good in Philly for 2-3 years until Hart is ready. Then Talbot plays veteran backup for a few years to Hart in 2:3 years. Could be alright.

28 Nov 2018 14:56:48
Oilers free up $5.5M in Talbot. Resign Koskinen for next year. I've always liked Pickard, Hitchinson, Jalak as backups myself. Talbot might need a change in scenery, not sure what is wrong with him this season. Sucks.

23 Nov 2018 08:46:46
Just ideas

Toronto Maple Leafs acquire:
• (D) Jakob Chychrun
• (D) Filip Westerlund
• (2019) 2nd-Round Pick
Arizona Coyotes acquire:
• (C) William Nylander (verbal agreement to resign with the Arizona Coyotes)

Toronto Maple Leafs acquire:
• (D) Brett Pesce
• (D) Adam Fox
• (2019) 2nd-Round Pick
Carolina Hurricanes acquire:
• (C) William Nylander

Toronto Maple Leafs acquire:
• (D) Shayne Gostisphere
Philadelphia Flyers acquire:
• (C) William Nylander

Toronto Maple Leafs acquire:
• (D) Chris Tanev
• (D) Olli Juolevi
Vancouver Canucks acquire:
• (C) William Nylander (verbal agreement to resign with the Vancouver Canucks)

15 Nov 2018 03:48:58
Habs Juulsen and Scherbak + Primeau
Flyers Simmonds and Sanheim

Simmonds equal gritty forward to play with the Domi line

As for philly I know they need high defensive iq dman

For the rest I couldn't care less about the flyers

15 Nov 2018 04:55:44
Sanheim for Juulsen is about as lateral a move as they get. Both high quality defense prospect players. I’m not sure who carries more value at this point, but I do know Flyers are stacked on LHD and once Weber comes back, Montreal will be stacked RHD, so a trade scenario like this one isn’t unreasonable.

Simmonds for Sherbak + Primeau is questionable. Sherbak isn’t doing much, and Flyers already have Hart, so don’t really need Primeau.

15 Nov 2018 20:27:19
I'd do it from mtl and Juulsen has more value then Seinhem based on nhl performances and postion.

17 Nov 2018 20:51:24
I can't believe the stuff I'm reading here. The Habs weakest position is on defence. Left defence in particular. And people are proposing to trade away D men??

18 Nov 2018 16:30:34
Manofmyths you realise Juulsen is a RHD and Sanheim is a LHD. The trade would be a RW and RHD for a RW and LHD.

03 Nov 2018 03:04:34
Philly: Simmonds

Stars:Honka

1 for 1?

Honka still had enough upside imo to garner Simonds but I wanna see if u guys think Simmonds could get more

03 Nov 2018 03:32:51
Simmonds is worth more than just Honka. Dallas only does this if they are in playoff picture come deadline. Traditionally a rental costs a pick + prospect. Stars need to add at least a 1st.

03 Nov 2018 15:20:57
Philly is loaded with D prospects.

02 Nov 2018 02:25:14
I understand that this is probably not enough for Gost but maybe this would work

Tor: Nylander (unsigned they have to negotiate), Zaitsev, prospect (maybe Bracco?)

Phi: Gost

Let me know what you think. This is just an idea and with Dubas having appeared to have scouted Philly figured I'd throw something out there.

02 Nov 2018 02:56:04
Wayy too much imo

02 Nov 2018 03:39:08
Gostisbehere has 155 points in 232 games played. As a defenseman. He makes the same as Zaitsev, while putting up more points than Nylander.

You are absolutely correct. This is nowhere close to enough for him.

02 Nov 2018 10:00:22
Ghost is a 4th forward ( constantly back checking) not what the leafs need.

02 Nov 2018 10:03:31
"Way too much" lol
Leafs take this and run before they're arrested for highway robbery.
Such an easy no for PHI, Zaitsev close to negative value with the contract he's attached to btw.

02 Nov 2018 13:45:57
Let me guess Nylander for Callahan is a fair swap?

@The_Triplets.

02 Nov 2018 14:19:59
Weak comment, VB. Out of context and overpainting the picture, also not funny. Try sticking to the original proposal, eh
Nylander doesn't get Gostisbehere, easy as that.

02 Nov 2018 17:14:26
Why dosent he? He’s a young top player. Better then Point offensively he is posed to break out this season. Also Point is not Selke candidate.

02 Nov 2018 18:07:40
Why wouldn't he get you Ghost.?
Ya Ghost is good on power play, and gets points. but unless he has changed from last season, he's not very good in his own end. Is he any better? Been awhile since I watched him.

02 Nov 2018 18:21:17
So you think Ghost is worth Nylander because he's "poised to break out" (opinion) and a "Selke candidate" (opinion) ?
Yaaa. I like Nylander but Ghost has more value than Nylander. And it's not close.

If ghost was a Leaf you would be screaming he's a Norris candidate or something and not worth a winger! Lol.

02 Nov 2018 20:59:08
Personally. I'd take Nylander also. Ghost and Barrie, I think are the two most overrated D in the game.

03 Nov 2018 00:27:34
Where did Braydon Point come into this?

03 Nov 2018 18:48:25
And he's not poised to break out this season, he's poised to not play cause he thinks he's pretty much worth to be 1 of the top 10-15 paid players in the league.

28 Oct 2018 15:49:11
Toronto Trades: Josh Leivo (RW - 650K x 1 Year) + 2020 3rd Round Draft Selection
Edmonton Trades: Zach Kassian (RW - 2.0 Million x 2 Years [Salary Retention: 50%]) + 2019 5th Round Draft Selection.

Simple. Edmonton seemingly doesn't want Kassian, and Toronto could use some grit in our bottom six. Yes, we just had Martin, but the only reason we traded him is because he was being paid 2.5 million. If he was at 1.0, we would've kept him 100%. Kassian and 1.0 could be solid as a guy to play against teams like Boston, Philadelphia, etc. On the flip, Edmonton doesn't want Kassian, as they've allowed him to look for a trade, they acquire a replacement in Leivo, and move their pick up two rounds.

Leafs Lineup (Healthy + if Nylander signs) :

Kapanen - Matthews - Nylander
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Marleau - Kadri - Brown
Johnsson - Lindholm - Kassian.

28 Oct 2018 17:30:44
Would enjoy this trade.

28 Oct 2018 17:39:21
I just read about Kassian. What’s going on? I thought Kassian, Maroon, Gryba, all these guys absolutely loved Edmonton?

28 Oct 2018 17:41:34
It's not that Edm doesn't want him, It's that he's a 4th liner making $1.9M and others making a lot less are more than capable of doing that job now. Chiasson a PTO for $650K, Jujhar, Drake, all making less have passed him I think.
There's just a mutual agreement to let him and his agent pursue a trade for a fresh start. Lots of teams could use what he brings. Him and Maroon were heart and soul guys in the Edm locker room, but it might be time for a fresh start. I used to hate the guy, and since he cleaned up his off ice BS he's become a great character team guy. I think he could be a good fit in TO maybe, protect some of that offensive talent there, would be a fun guy to have in that locker room.

28 Oct 2018 17:42:56
Oh. Didn't see the retention. Lol. That goes against why I believe they are willing to trade him. I don't think they would consider retaining %50. He still has this and next year on his $1.9M deal.
I would trade him for Leivo and a 3rd, sure. But not retain.

28 Oct 2018 17:43:38
Oh, yes I think that is a fair deal. I’d love a little grit in the line up.

28 Oct 2018 18:02:00
Kassian is exactly what the Leafs need. as a Habs fan. I would absolutely hate this. so would all the other teams in the division. He is actually capable of playing decent hockey when he wants to and can be a straight up menace. other times, sometimes a liability. however, when it comes to the grind em out, tougher playoff style hockey, this is a guy who can make a difference.
Really wish we never traded him for Ben Scrivens. that sucked.

28 Oct 2018 19:32:19
And Kassian is like a 13th forward now making $1.9M for this and next season. He just doesn't play anymore like he did two years ago when he could change a game.
Chaisson $650K PTO, Jujhar, Drake and even now Cooper Marody who played well in his few games he was called up for can do the same and Kassian now for less.
Cooper Marody has impressed. He was a collage stand out drafted by Philly, Oilers used the 3rd round draft pick they got for Maroon to acquire his rights, then signed him to an ELC. He's already 21 too. Had a solid pre season and a good start in Bakersfield. Players like that are making an overpaid Kassian now expendable. But he can still ring value to a team who wants the grit and a fresh start would be good for him. Love the guy.

28 Oct 2018 20:15:49
Sosa we traded him cause we didn't need another party animal in the room. Lol. He was in a alcohol / drug / party vehicular accident before he even played a game here.

28 Oct 2018 20:41:33
I know Habby. I just wish we woulda gave him a chance after he cleaned up. I have always like Kassian and those type of players. like when we had Prust. whom we traded for Kassian. guess Deslauriers is that guy now. I like him, would prefer Kassian.

28 Oct 2018 21:22:36
Leivo sucks. But Kassian sucks more, and costs twice as much.

According to capfriendly, Edmonton has $0 in cap space left. I don’t think they will be retaining any salary.

28 Oct 2018 23:51:52
He looked great on the ice in the playoffs a cpl years ago but once a guy has off ice issues, it’s really hard to gain the trust back I think. If there were anyway to guarantee he would keep his nose clean, I’d be interested. Unfortunately there just isn’t. Fourth line character guys, with size, are available all the time. I would look for one without drug and alcohol problems and without assault arrests off the ice. Just wouldn’t want to risk anything with the young core in the room for a 4th liner. Taking those risks for a top 6 forward like Evander Kane is hard enough. But not for a depth guy.

29 Oct 2018 00:51:44
Jim, you do know Kassian has kept clean for a few years now, right? It was very well watched over by the Oilers the first year he was there and they wouldn't have given him a 3 year extension if he didn't smarten up. It was actually very well looked after and a known thing. He has cleaned up off the ice, for a few years now. Lol.

29 Oct 2018 09:17:37
Those are actually my favourite type of players Sosa but the need for those types are almost non existent now (too bad) . I'd rather deslauriers at 1mil less though.

29 Oct 2018 09:18:39
Yeah, that’s fine. I said if there was a way to GUARANTEE it, and there isn’t. I have people in my life who have battled drug and alcohol addictions. It’s a battle everyday and it doesn’t go away. So it’s always there. Some people can’t go a day without going back.

Some people have it creep back after 3,4,5 years. It’s never cured, it’s controlled. I don’t think it’s worth the risk for a 4th liner who can’t crack the oilers forward group. Risk/ reward is not in the leafs favour on it. I don’t personally dislike the guy for having issues, but as a business decision, I don’t think it makes sense. If he’s a model citizen now and a good enough player, keep him lol.

29 Oct 2018 09:22:46
You do know why they give out 5 year and 10 year sobriety pins and people are proud of achieving those milestones right? It’s not because their disease is cured after a team issued 30 day rehab program and a cpl seasons not getting in trouble. Ppl battle their whole lives to stay clean, and guess what, he’s a person. I have to remind you of that because you think it’s funny when players get hurt, so you must not realize they’re actually people when the jersey comes off, but they are. Not just pawns in your game.

29 Oct 2018 16:47:13
I agree with your assessment of clean and sober Jim, and how addicts are never cured, and for most it is a daily struggle. however, I also believe giving on giving those people a chance. Like you, I have known many to battle the disease, lost a few along the way. and your right, it is a business. I still believe that Kassian is a player your team could use. I don't think any team would make a trade for him without doing their homework. it may be risk like you say for a 4th liner, but I think it could be a great reward for your team. The intangibles this guy could bring to that club, ya just can't measure through stats.

29 Oct 2018 18:46:09
I don’t exactly know the Kassian story but is he worse than anyone else in the league or did he just get caught?

29 Oct 2018 19:05:43
Not sure Ebs. But I know there was vehicle accident involved in Montreal. who knows the real story beyond that. I'm sure lots of guys party alot. 20 somethings with millions., and hot girls all over ya. be pretty hard not to lol.
Some can handle it. some cant. dunno if it was mainly booze. or booger sugar. or whatever. But I beleive he did/ does have a substance abuse issue . more than jus a recreational line or weekend runaway with the boyz.

30 Oct 2018 11:41:42
@sosa, I agree his stats aren’t what he brings which is why I never mentioned any point numbers or any of that. I like his physical play, i even said I was impressed with his playoff a cpl seasons ago. But for me, it makes no sense to trade a bottom 6 winger for an older bottom 6 winger that makes 3 times as much (1.5x as much with retention) and has that history and we are adding a 3rd round pick?

I hope the Guy never has another issue, from a personal stand point I wish him the best, but from a business standpoint I find it a risk when considering what you’re paying. We have so many young impressionable players with a ton of potential and I would do everything possible to keep them on a straight and narrow path.

Risking anything to add a fourth liner I find an unnecessary gamble. Evander Kane is 5 times the player and was added to an extremely veteran group in San Jose. That’s worth the risk. This just isn’t.

30 Oct 2018 11:45:00
Yeah habs brass put him in the substance abuse program after that. Not 100% sure exactly what for. heard coke was one thing. Also heard he was not driving his truck when the accident happened cause he was too zonked.

30 Oct 2018 11:46:40
But yeah I'm sure there are people just as bad that we don't even know about.

30 Oct 2018 12:38:13
@habby, yeah a woman was driving the truck when it crashed. She was charged for it.

30 Oct 2018 16:22:32
Yeah I remember now she is the biggest puck bunny in Quebec.

30 Oct 2018 17:19:43
I get it Jim, the bottom 6 younger g for a bottom 6 older. Adding the 3rd isn't needed . Just the difference in gmaes styles is what I'd look at. Leivo isn't needed, however Kassian is. Well maybe. sometimes players get traded and flourish. or. look absolutely lost. So who knows. but someone on the lines of a Kassian type is what Leafs could use.

30 Oct 2018 23:09:48
I’m with ya Sosa. If there was a way to add that TYPE of player, without the off ice history for a reasonable price, I’d be all for it. Just for me, character guys with size to play 6-8 min a night should come with zero BS connected to them because half the league will be shopping those guys by Christmas. Leafs have added the Winniks and Boyle’s and stuff to play bottom 6 and add size and experience over the last few years and their character has never been a question.

23 Oct 2018 21:01:01
TOR: Kapanen

For

PHI: Sanheim

24 Oct 2018 12:47:32
I’ve heard about these rumours and I hope Dubas is not considering doing this, Sanheim is a LHD, leafs need a RHD, especially if they are giving up Kapanen.

11 Oct 2018 04:15:07
Leafs trade Nylander, Kadri
Philly trades Provorov, Patrick, Gudas, Lehtera (cap dump)

Leafs trade Reilly
Blues trade Parayko

Marleau/ Matthews/ Kapanen
Hyman/ Tavares/ Marner
Johnsson/ Patrick/ Brown
Lehtera/ Lindholm/ Leivo

Provorov/ Parayko
Gardiner/ Zaitsev
Dermott/ Gudas
*Hainsey
(Sandin/ Liljegren)
(Rasanen)

I think Leafs should trade Reilly before his NTC kicks in. Otherwise when he re-signs, we could be looking at upwards of $9M+ (using OEL as comparable) .

11 Oct 2018 04:52:26
Parayko makes 500k more than Rielly for the next 4 years and then becomes a UFA the same time. They will both get massive raises unless something bad happens to one of them between now and then.

11 Oct 2018 05:39:06
Huh? Why you think Patrick in any world gets traded?

11 Oct 2018 05:47:30
Yes, but Parayko doesn’t have NTC, so we can still deal him before deadline final year of his contract and earn a return. With Reilly it’s hold him and lose him for nothing.

11 Oct 2018 05:59:53
Kadri vs Patrick

Why Philly makes this trade:

This is a win now trade for Philly. Kadri is still currently the better player, and will be for a few years yet. Patrick is obviously very talented, but still has something to prove. Kadri suits Philly’s hard nose style of play and would fit their system. Philly gets an experienced center on good contract that can play shut down role and can pop in 30+ points.

Why Leafs make this trade:

We don’t need Kadri so much because we have Tavares and Matthews. It’s a bit of a cost cutting manoeuvre as Patrick is still on ELC for a couple more years. Helps us avoid a real cash crunch next year. A high end prospect player that could be long term replacement for Tavares. Basically, we take a slight downgrade at 3C to improve our defense. We improve overall as a team.

11 Oct 2018 06:08:07
Typo: supposed to say Kadri pops in 30+ goals.

11 Oct 2018 11:40:48
I don't think Philly trades Prov unless its a vast overpayment. Prov is going to be a top5 dman in the league. lots of analysts are saying it too.

11 Oct 2018 13:18:12
The leafs don’t need Gudas, they already have Holl, Ozhiganov, and potentially Hainsey, no need for another depth defenceman
Also, I would rather keep Rielly and have him instead of Provorov, with the way he is playing lately I think he could be a Norris trophy winner.

11 Oct 2018 14:58:52
Not even close, Provorov is worth a ton more than Nylander.

11 Oct 2018 15:32:16
Rielly doesn’t have a NTC either. Couldn’t you just keep him till the final year and trade him the same?

11 Oct 2018 15:54:28
@topshelfslappers

I guess my thinking is after Philly loses Simmond’s this year, they will need a long term replacement. Nylander would be a nice fit. And Philly has lots of defensive depth. One of the best in the league. They can afford to move Provorov and still be stacked at the blue line. What would you offer for Provorov?

@mostleaf

Read TopShelfSlapers comment. Provorov himself may one day be a Norris candidate himself. Provorov has a higher ceiling than Reilly and is younger and will be cheaper to sign after his ELC I’m sure. We absolutely won’t be able to re-sign Reilly once his contract is up. As for Gudas. We don’t have anyone that is anywhere close to being the heavy hitter he is. Holl, Hainsey, Ozhiganov. All those guys are plugs. Gudas is better than any of them. He averages well over 200 hits a year, and one year recorded a whopping 300 hits. He’s a defensive defenseman that can be used anywhere in the lineup. I just plugged him third line beside Dermott because I didn’t dump Zaitsev in this trade.

To all who replied. Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate the comments. It’s always good to get insight from others.

Go Leafs.

11 Oct 2018 16:46:18
Leafs GM I don’t think you can predict that 4 years from now the leafs won’t be able to resign Reilly. A lot can happen between now and then, starting with letting Gardiner walk.

11 Oct 2018 17:56:51
@unbiasedjim

Rielly has a modified NTC the last two years of his contract. It would limit the teams we could trade him too and restrict the return.

@Leafs17

Over the next 4 years, we have to re-sign Rielly, Kadri, Dermott, Sandin, Andersen, Liljegren, Hyman, Brown, and maybe someone I’m missing. Rielly will be the most expensive piece by far. Not sure how we can afford him plus all those other guys.

12 Oct 2018 02:52:25
Provorov, Jones, Dahlin and Maybe Eklblad are the future of D in the NHL he has more value then Nylander.

1. Take out Patrick and it’s closer

2. Rielly>Paryanko do you see how good he’s playing now? No way the leafs trade him.

12 Oct 2018 04:00:10
Considering the leafs defense is their weakest point, I’d think Reilly would come before half those guys. Too early to tell.

10 Oct 2018 18:39:09
Nylanderand borgman to philly for
Konecny top 10 protected 1st 2019 and moron
Tor get a cheater replacement for nylander and potential top 4 6'6 defenceman
Philly upgrade second line jvr patrick and nylader allowing giroux couts and voracek to play top line
Nylander signs at 7.5 m for 8 y
What do you think it helps both team? What if any would anything would have to be changed to make?

10 Oct 2018 19:48:24
Hmmmm don't think Philly would do that.

Also, Toronto doesn't really need a replacement for Nylander at all. They are scoring in droves and would be better off trading Nylander for defensive help -- Philly could be a good trading partner though as they have a ton of defensive talent/ prospects. Might be something there.

Nylander's holdout in my opinion has comically backfired as all it has illustrated is that the Leafs can still score a ton without his help.

10 Oct 2018 20:59:29
He's the Le'veon Bell of the NHL right now. Better than what they are using, but does not make the team look bad without him.

10 Oct 2018 23:01:50
Dead on Turkey! He’s better than Kappy, but not $7mill better when looking at the lineup and other weaknesses.

25 Sep 2018 20:41:51
to Philadelphia
Ritchie

to Anaheim
Simmonds

The Flyers get a player who hasn't proven themselves yet but has the pedigree to really break out soon, whereas the Ducks get a year of a very inexpensive and useful player and the chance to re-sign him. high risk, high reward for both teams.

26 Sep 2018 00:20:49
Come on man .

25 Sep 2018 12:04:37
Just a thought
Leafs Flyers trade.

Nylander for Simmonds

My thoughts are Leafs lack grit and toughness up front. In Simmonds Leafs get an established vet who isn't affraid to drop the gloves plays power play and can move up and down the lineuo and produces offence.

Flyers get a speedy winger who has great vision and soft hands, plays the powerplay.

I know Simmonds only has 1 year left. This deal is only done if an extension 4-5 years can be reached at an average salary of between 5.5- 6.75 similar to whar Dubas is trying to sign Nylander for.

Thoughts.

25 Sep 2018 13:26:08
big fan of Simmonds and what he can bring, but no thanks. If it was that type of player, but in the same age range as Nylander, like M. Tkachuk, you could probably sell me on it. And if they’re unwilling to go above $6.5 mill for Nylander from age 22-29/ 30, not a chance they’re going to commit long term at the same money for a 30 year old who plays a rougher game and has harder miles on the body. For this to make sense for the leafs, Simmonds would have to be willing to sign an extension at the same money he’s making now (less than $4 mill) which he will never do, and should never do, he’s earned a nice raise for himself.

25 Sep 2018 13:38:48
Difference is, Simmonds is proven, at 6.5 on a 4 year deal its at a price where it could be moved. Plus it wouldn't run into his late 30s but mid 30s and would essentially be replacing Marleau's contract after this season.

25 Sep 2018 15:47:47
Well Marleau has another year after this season at $6.25mill too. Like I said, I like Simmonds and I like your idea of adding that type of player, I just don’t think Nylander is the guy you trade to acquire grit (unless you’re getting the player for his entire prime like Tkachuk) . Leafs have the leverage with Nylander and unless there’s a good upgrade at RHD available, just let him sit.

25 Sep 2018 17:15:21
Nylander had very little leverage before camp started, and with how well Ennis has played with Matthews, he has less. Not saying Ennis can replace Nylander, or that Dubas and Babcock are happy with that trade off lol but if matthews looked bad or had no chemistry with whoever played in Nylanders spot, it could force them to want Willy back quicker and pay more. But when a guy that is playing for league minimum and had recently been bought out is showing chemistry with Matthews and putting up numbers on his wing, it almost makes it look like Nylander isn’t as good as his numbers showed. I don’t believe that, but there is a case to be made, especially by management that they can put anyone with Matthews and get production.

25 Sep 2018 17:48:21
This is bad
Cmon Nylander for a 30 yrs aging top 6.

25 Sep 2018 18:34:29
Jim nailed it. I love Simmonds and I think the leafs need some physicality in the lineup, but not for a 22 year old stud.

25 Sep 2018 20:40:34
Nylander will only go for an upgrade on defense.

25 Sep 2018 20:40:36
Nylander litterly out produced Simmonds.

25 Sep 2018 23:29:04
There would have to be an add from Philly. At very least a 2nd coming with Simmonds.
I do feel that Simmonds is the type of player that would be great for the Leafs. Someone with a bit of an edge. However, as some of the Leafs fans have stated, If Nylander was to go, Defense is the position that would be coveted.

 
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