14 Nov 2018 04:37:18
So, interesting proposal I read elsewhere that I wanted to bring to attention here and see what the thoughts were.

Last year, Washington traded Orpik and Grubauer to Colorado, who immediately bought Orpik out, who then re-signed with Washington for less money. Can the Leafs do a similar trade involving Marleau?

2019 off season (after July 1 bonus is paid)

Colorado trades 2nd
Leafs trade Marleau, Bracco

Colorado immediately buys out Marleau and he re-signs with the Leafs for $2M.

Leafs save $4.25M in cap hit, thereby avoiding cash crunch.

Marleau makes more money, because he gets the money from the buyout, plus whatever he gets when he re-signs.

Colorado has more than enough cap space to absorb the full $6.25M cap hit Marleau will be carrying (35+ contract), and would only be on the hook for $4M in salary total payable. In return they get Bracco, or whatever other pick/ prospect you think they deserve for doing the Leafs this $4M favour (Orpik was a $3M favour to Washington in exchange for Grubauer) .

Remember, it smells suspiciously like cap circumvention, except Colorado has already done this before with Orpik.

Thoughts?

1.) 14 Nov 2018
14 Nov 2018 05:21:11
Well. . I think they deserve a lot more than Bracco for doing the Leafs a favor. it's this kind of thing, and whatever it is Arizona does with Datsyuk ect. that I hope the next CBA gets rid of. Some sort of way to make teams not cheat the system.

2.) 14 Nov 2018
14 Nov 2018 05:27:36
Why would any team do this to just take Bracco?

3.) 14 Nov 2018
14 Nov 2018 06:05:36
The difference is in the Washington trade colorodo actually got something in return lol.

4.) 14 Nov 2018
14 Nov 2018 12:33:41
Lol what the heck is this nonsense? 😂 Maybe change the 2nd to a 1994 Toyota Corolla.

5.) 14 Nov 2018
14 Nov 2018 12:39:37
Ya Bracco isn’t worth the second alone, they aren’t giving a second for Bracco and to do the leafs a favour. Gives them 2 years of extra cap and puts them at max buyouts if I’m not mistaken giving them less flexibility there, while not getting anything in return. Think Kapanen with a 3rd going back.

6.) 14 Nov 2018
14 Nov 2018 13:16:36
Marleau signed in Toronto because of that 3 year contract. Toronto offered the 3rd year to get the guy they wanted. Very well knowing that third year was the first year of Marner and Mathews first years of their big deals.
Colorado says thanks but no thanks, that's not even close to enough to make them consider. At least with Orpik comparison they recieved Grabaur who some said was the best backup and could challenge for more starts in net which was a big want for Colorado, someone to challenge Varly.

7.) 14 Nov 2018
14 Nov 2018 14:07:14
1st of all it would Definitely would take more to get avs to do that. Secondly, Colorado has the best line in hockey but lacks depth. I think in the next year or two they will be active and use their cap space to build a roster to compete around Mack and Rantanen, not use it as cap relief for another team. Also remember that Colorado offered Dubas the job of running their whole hockey operations of the team last year and to be Sakics boss before the leafs pulled back permission to talk and promoted him. I don’t assume they want to do us any favours.

8.) 14 Nov 2018
14 Nov 2018 14:27:05
Sheesh. Guys. It clearly says that instead of Bracco, Colorado can have someone else who is worth the 2nd and $4M bucks. Hell, they can have Johnsson if they want. He’s not doing a whole lot right now. The emphasis here should be on the concept, not the prospect player.

@unbiasedjim

We poached Tavares from Lou and he still took Martin off our hands. It’s a big business. I don’t think Sakic would hold it against Dubas that he got promoted.

9.) 14 Nov 2018
14 Nov 2018 14:49:11
Didn't they just speak to dubas about posdibly becoming the Gm? Idk but that's all I heard.

10.) 14 Nov 2018
14 Nov 2018 15:24:48
“Dubas is not going to Colorado, but here is my understanding: The contact being made was from Colorado ownership. The contact with the Leafs and Dubas was in hopes of getting Dubas to come in and run the entire hockey operation of the Colorado Avalanche. What that means for everybody else there, and what the timing on all that is, I’m not sure. But we do know now that Dubas isn’t going to Colorado; at least not now. ”

That’s from the article at that time when leafs pulled back permission quoting Bob McKenzie. I know some people have an isssue with TSN, but I have a lot of faith in what Bob McKenzie says he knows. He’s pretty careful of what he reports and what he doesn’t.

11.) 14 Nov 2018
14 Nov 2018 16:16:30
Yeah I agree bob mckenzie is still one of the best. So did he mean they wanted him to be director of hockey operations? like what was the job title?

12.) 14 Nov 2018
14 Nov 2018 17:49:32
Don’t think he ever said an exact job title, but I remember at the time they had talked about that his duties could include deciding if sakic stayed or left. So I would assume some sort of president or whatever, I don’t know.

13.) 14 Nov 2018
14 Nov 2018 17:54:06
Like shanny runs the entire hockey operations for us and he’s president. Different organizations and different owners call it different things, but It was compared, power and say wise, to that. Once shanahan realized what they were talking to dubas about, they pulled his permission to talk and neither shanny or dubas would say if a promise was made that day, but we all know Lou was replaced by dubas a year later.

14.) 14 Nov 2018
14 Nov 2018 18:07:31
Possibly I guess but I'd have to question the avs thought process on that one. I mean I just don't think they even consider bringing in anyone who would consider moving out joe sakic or even allow them to have that power. the guy has pretty much done nothing only real good things for the organization for most of his life. And not meaning to be a knock against dubas but compared to sakic especially up to that point what has he done to be considered higher up then joe? Now I could have seen the initial report of the avs looking at him for the Gm position happening and then promoting sakic.

15.) 15 Nov 2018
14 Nov 2018 21:54:26
Yeah, I don’t know the thought process but it was apparently done directly by the owner and sakic denied it was happening. Later it came out that sakic wasn’t lying when he denied they were talking to dubas, he really was unaware.

Dubas is known as a big analytics guy, my only guess is the owner got it in his head that he wanted his whole organization run like that like they did in Florida when they canned Tallon and immediately regretted it. I’m a hybrid thinker when it comes to that, I think there’s real value in analytics, but also a real hockey guy like Lou, tallon, shanahan or sakic is important.

So maybe that was his plan? Not sure, I just know we (leaf fans) were following the story at the time because most of us assumed dubas would be GM here eventually.