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06 Dec 2018 02:42:32
Leafs trade Zaitsev, Brown, 3rd
NYR trade Shattenkirk (retain $2M), Strome

Basically we are sitting the difference in salary. NY saves just over $1.15M and Leafs add about the same. All the benefits about Pinball’s trade still apply. Leafs give NY an upgrade on wing and the pick because they are taking on Zaitsev, whose contract is a lot longer than Shattenkirk’s.

LeafsGM

1.) 06 Dec 2018 05:15:39
is brown really an upgrade? i like brown but idk why the rangers would do this, they're trying to rebuild and they'll be better by that time, doesn't make sense.


2.) 06 Dec 2018 05:46:42
Honestly, I wouldn’t do it. Call it homerism if you want. The difference between shattenkirk and zaitsev is real, but not very big. Then consider that shattenkirk is not defensive and I would say zaitsev is better for what we need, younger and signed cheaper. Shattenkirk, after leaving St. Louis, was exposed as what he is. A pp guy who is closer to a 6th Dman than a top pair at even strength. Even when Barry Trotz was asked about caps not resigning him after having him for the playoff run he said something along the lines of “I was under the impression we were adding a top pair Dman, that wasn’t the case”. I’m very satisfied having zaitsev at $4.5 mill to be a good solid #4 Dman. Now fill in around him dermott and Rielly. Don’t make lateral moves to bring in an older more expensive guy we don’t need.


Leaf fans are prepared to let Jake Gardiner walk after the season because he’s an offense first guy who takes risks and makes mistakes and they don’t want to pay him the $6.5Mill+ that he will command. So why give assets to get shattenkirk who makes $6.65 and does that same thing from the other side?!


3.) 06 Dec 2018 13:23:49
I don’t want anything to do with Shattenkirk. He’s not the d man the leafs need. Brown could be packaged with a 1st and a prospect to get a defense first d man.


4.) 06 Dec 2018 14:04:27
The only reason for making this trade would be to get out of Zaitsev’s contract earlier. I split the cost by having Rangers retain salary, so Shattenkirk and Zaitsev cost the same in this proposal. Is Shattenkirk better than Zaitsev? Questionable. But we get out from under Zaitsev’s contract in half the time if you are unsatisfied with him, while bringing in an equally qualified replacement. Shattenkirk plays 2RHD on Leafs. I feel more comfortable having him for call up to 1st line than Zaitsev if Hainsey gets hurt. A rebuilding Rangers team get a good young player in Brown, stability in the back end with Zaitsev’s contract, and a pick to help them rebuild. If Strome isn’t the guy they want to send our way, we can take someone else. I just threw Strome in to match salaries easier.

It’s a fairly neutral trade. The only reason for making this trade is to get out from under Zaitsev’s contract a little earlier. It’s not one I would entertain seriously normally, but felt there was some merit to Pinball’s proposal. He makes some very good points, and I took it upon myself to see if there was a way that a Zaitsev/ Shattenkirk trade could make sense. I enjoy floating proposals like this. It’s fun for one thing, and you learn a lot more about the players and teams in the process.


5.) 06 Dec 2018 21:01:05
I don’t really care about getting out of zaitsevs deal early. He’s a very capable player. Great skater, struggled last year with injuries and other personal things and looks a lot better this year. $4.5 mill is fine for a second pair guy and it’s going to be even more reasonable as top tier guys get $10+, these guys will be $6 mill guys soon enough.


6.) 06 Dec 2018 21:11:05
there is no reason to make this trade unless TOR is admitting That Zaitsev is a really bad defender.


 

 

29 Nov 2018 05:39:59
Leafs trade Marner, Kadri, Gardiner, 2x1st
St. Louis trades Tarasenko, Pietrangelo, Husso, Thomas

Marleau/ Matthews/ Nylander
Hyman/ Tavares/ Tarasenko
Johnsson/ Thomas/ Kapanen
Lindholm/ Gauthier/ (Leivo)

Rielly/ Pietrangelo
Dermott/ Zaitsev
Hainsey/ Ozhiganov
(Sandin/ Liljegren)

LeafsGM

1.) 29 Nov 2018 06:24:08
Are you high.

You want a 40 goal scorer, our young 1c potential center, our best defenseman elite top 10 Dman, and our best goalie prospect for

Marner and crap.

Stupid bad.


2.) 29 Nov 2018 07:18:29
Big changes coming to St. Louis.

Marner ~ Tarasenko
Kadri > Thomas + Husso
Gardiner + 2x1st = Pietrangelo

I forgot Brown somewhere, you guys can have him too.

Kadri is 30 goal scorer, 60+ points. A far superior player to Thomas, he helps St. Louis immediately and at low cost.

Gardiner is near-elite offensive defenseman on pace for over 40 points again himself. Hardly crap.

Brown is a solid depth player that can get 15-20 goals and 30+ points. Hardly crap.

The first are what they are.

St. Louis is in a world of hurt. Trading Thomas and Husso doesn’t even affect them. They lose Tarasenko and Pietrangelo, who they might lose anyway since they are so tight against cap I have difficult time seeing them re-sign him.

All those moves in the summer. All that money spent, and they still suck. This trade gives them an injection of offense right away and some futures to go with.


3.) 29 Nov 2018 09:16:37
Leafs add Mathews, then maybe it's fair.


4.) 29 Nov 2018 09:29:10
@redwing

Jake Gardiner
Rank#31, 49.2%, 1G8, 9a, 10pts, +4, 24blk, 26hits, 14tk, 24gv

Pietrangelo
Rank#30, 48%cf, 4g, 6a, 10pts, -6, 58blk, 20 hit, 16tk, 16gv

And it’s not just this year either. Gardiner and Pietrangelo have had almost identical stats the last three years.

Kadri is everything St. Louis hopes Thomas will be. An outstanding player and on a team friendly contract. It’s not like Thomas has been setting any records or is even a Calder candidate.

There’s actually a lot going for this trade. You get immediate and significant help up front, you shore up LD, which is really weak, plus you get futures to replace your prospects.

But coming from someone who thinks Parayko is worth Nylander + Sandin + Liljegren, I’m not surprised by your flippant attitude. Maybe I could take you more seriously if you actually had realistic expectations about what your players are worth.


5.) 29 Nov 2018 10:58:30
Wouldn’t trade Marner alone for that. Marner>>>>Mathews and Tavares.


6.) 29 Nov 2018 11:12:09
Marner> Tarasenko

Kadri> Thomas

Pietro>Gardiner

2 first>>>>>>Husso

I'm the biggest leafs hater on this site hands down, but even I see how this is in favor of St Louis if anything. Marner is worth . ore then Tarasenko based on aged.


7.) 29 Nov 2018 12:37:44
This is stupid.


8.) 29 Nov 2018 12:56:41
Nah colt, come on, you only see things from the Blues pov and can't see that the rest of the package ain't ‘crap’. Naz is worth more than Thomas, petros worth more than gardiner, the two 1sts kinda make up the diff and by now, marner and senko are a wash, hell, with age and production, people may take marner.


9.) 29 Nov 2018 13:24:11
Boom boom I think a couple others may have you beat on that claim. I don’t know a lot about Thomas and Husso but you admitted yourself colt that you are a homer. Kadri is far from crap, add in his cap hit makes him that much more valuable. I’m a StLouis fan, I actually thought they’d be contenders this year but something has to change.


10.) 29 Nov 2018 14:33:44
the fact you don't know a lot about Thomas shows your ignorance.

petro is top 10 dman in league. Elite dman.
Tarasenko is a 40 goal scorer
Thomas is one of the highest rated center prospects/ rookies. Former ppg in ohl, Ohl playoff mvp and made the nhl at 19.
Husso best goalie prospect the blues have highly rated.

So basically you want to gut the blues best defenseman, best scorer, Best center prospect and best goalie prospect for A ufa defenseman (who sucks at defense), A glorified 2c, Marner (only thing worth anything) and 2 29-31st late round firsts.

That's a solid hell no. Yeah I am a homer. Name one person on this site that isn't. Honestly you cant. This trade is bad for the blues. If you are rebuilding, Which isn't the case yet, You don't trade your top prospects and rookie centers for old people and picks. You just don't do that.

You want to Do petro for marner or tarasenko for marner. Then you can argue that. But late round firsts, ufas and old 2cs are not needed. Don't sit here and claim your offer makes sense when it doesnt.


11.) 29 Nov 2018 14:37:57
want to make a trade that helps blues and Leafs here you go.

Parayko, Kostin, jaybo, 3rd

for

Kapenan, Sandin, Liljgren

There don't be a homer. Blues get young redundant player now have room to sign nylander. Get the top pairing young dman with term. and a 3rd pick. Blues also get two young good d prospects that will help fill the void parayko causes.


Keep the rest of the crap out of the trade. Either blues make hockey trade to shake it up a bit which means its even both ways or they blow up and rebuild. Both of these scenarios don't include getting redundant pieces or ufas, (kadri, Gardnier)


12.) 29 Nov 2018 15:07:51
You are funny Colt. I tKe Marner anyday. And funny, a coach who loves defensive dmen loves Gardiner. I wonder why. And you include jbo in an offer. Talk about useless.


13.) 29 Nov 2018 15:54:03
Also in what world would you have Tarasenko on the second line under nylander who hasn't played a game yet this season. This alone only shows how delusional you really are.


14.) 29 Nov 2018 16:00:27
I didn’t propose the deal or say it was fair, therefore me saying I don’t know a lot about Thomas is honest, not ignorant. . I just said that you’re a homer, which you admitted yourself. I also said Kadri is not crap. Don’t let colt come out, you’re much nicer as redwing. I also said I’m a fan of StLouis.


15.) 29 Nov 2018 16:30:10
Show me one web site where Pietrangelo is rated top 10. Because right off the top of my head I can think of at least 12-15 guys who are better.

Maybe if you can back up your claims I would be able to take you more serious. Right now you’re just blowing hot air.


16.) 29 Nov 2018 17:44:06
Jaybo was added as dead weight that would fall off at the end of the year. If we were taking Nylander. But in general.


17.) 29 Nov 2018 18:52:55
Did I specifically call you out. If you think Petro isn't top ten or you are saying he isn't elite, then your high brah. Blowing hot air, yeah ok. This proposal sucks, It would never happen. Petro is top 10 in the league, He may be having an off year but 1 year out of 9 years doesn't demean his value. I found 4 sites in 5 minutes where alex p was in top ten. So your just a bias idiot. At least I can admit it.

Hockey news has him ranked 9th
https://goo.gl/uBSLaQ

wosports.com has him ranked 5th
https://goo.gl/KZjV88

NHL18 ratings Alex P 10th
https://goo.gl/Z4Q4Yh

NHL network top 20 nhl dmen Alex P 9th
https://goo.gl/1m23qW


18.) 29 Nov 2018 19:45:35
Okay, you did what he asked and found some examples but I’m still laughing at NHL18 ratings being a source. First of all it’s a video game, secondly it would be a year and a half old. And the one list you put has Ryan Suter at #2 ahead of doughty. enough said.


19.) 29 Nov 2018 19:52:56
So leafsGM do you take what you said back. Are you going to admit i was right?

Also Leafs17 if you think this trade is fair then you are a homer as well. At least i can admit i am. In all honesty every person on this site is bias towards their team if you say you are not then you are Bias and a liar.


20.) 29 Nov 2018 19:59:24
Also, if you think one bad year doesn’t demean a great players value, just ask the Ottawa Senators and ask Erik Karlsson, because I’ve watched him play 6 or 7 times this season and after getting an underwhelming trade return, I’m not so sure the 8x $11 mill he was offered in Ottawa will still be there for him in July because he’s been far below average by his standards. He was right at or near the top of all those lists you presented.

I like Petro and think he’s an elite Dman but the package in this trade is not all crap as you suggest. However this trade is so far fetched that it doesn’t really matter what the return was, it’s not going to happen.

Still using EA Sports NHL player ratings as a source cracked me up though, so thank you 😊.


21.) 29 Nov 2018 20:34:43
I’d do the Kappanen trade in a heartbeat.


22.) 29 Nov 2018 21:29:57
Those lists are also outdated. All of them projections and were assembled before season starts. NHL. com is where I got my rankings from as well. It’s updated on a weekly bases and reflects current performance standards. Not expectations. So even the NHL list you provided here is meaningless.


23.) 29 Nov 2018 21:31:20
I can’t believe you used a hockey game for reference. Lmao.


24.) 30 Nov 2018 00:35:26
I grabed the fits four articles that posted. You asked me to find 1 and i did. Lol your such a tool you can't even admit when your wrong. Lol

Keep dreaming, hope your defense holds up. best of luck.


25.) 29 Nov 2018 21:22:10
I had like 5 mins left on lunch literally all four of those were in the first search. I am sure if i had time i could produce more. But NHL and Hockeywriters rankings are legit which he was respectively 9 and 10 in. Also ottowa Screwed the pooch, Alienated him and wouldn't pay him what he deserved, They also didn't get value for hoffman. So is that the market or dorian being an idiot.


 

 

29 Nov 2018 04:40:53
Leafs trade Nylander, Kadri, Sandin, 2x1st
Philadelphia trades Provorov, Patrick, Hart

Marleau/ Matthews/ Kapanen
Hyman/ Tavares/ Marner
Johnsson/ Patrick/ Brown
Lindholm/ Gauthier/ (Leivo)

Rielly/ Hainsey
Provorov/ Zaitsev
Dermott/ Hainsey
*Ozhiganov

Gardiner gets traded to whoever wants him for a 1st to recoup one of our picks. It would likely be a better pick than our 1st anyway.

LeafsGM

1.) 29 Nov 2018 05:01:30
Remove kadri and Patrick and 1 1st rounder to start.


2.) 29 Nov 2018 05:52:08
Nylander, Sandin, 1st for Provorov and Hart? I don’t think Philly does that.

I tried to put up an overwhelming offer here.

The big risk is that Patrick takes a little longer than hoped to reach potential. Playing on Leafs should help speed up his development though.


3.) 29 Nov 2018 07:55:01
Nope, Philly don't take that either. Just a start to breakdown the salary issues.


4.) 29 Nov 2018 09:38:26
Philly has $8M in cap space. We can take Lehtera as cap dump. That should be more than enough to make it work.


5.) 29 Nov 2018 14:06:23
Provorov is much better than any Leaf in that offer.


6.) 29 Nov 2018 16:32:43
@memarcusjoe

What are you doing on this thread? This wasn’t a Winnipeg trade. Lol.

That package is overwhelming and you know it. Kadri >>> Patrick. And all the rest of the pieces easily equals Provorov. If Hextall refuses a trade like this he should be fired. Oh wait. Too late. Maybe if he made this trade he would still have his job.


7.) 29 Nov 2018 17:48:31
Nylander gets Patrick. Kadri, Sandin and a first gets Provorov, that leaves 1 first for Hart? Not even close, Philly says no.


8.) 29 Nov 2018 18:18:37
LeafsGM,
It may not be a bad offer value wise, but you are not offering them anything to replace Provorov. Sandin is alright, but I would think they want Liljegren. Plus they would have to take an overpaid Nylander as well. It's not just about getting the most value it is also about value for the dollar.


9.) 29 Nov 2018 18:45:04
LeafsGm

Patrick>>Kadri.


10.) 29 Nov 2018 18:52:17
Actually, I was thinking

Kadri + 1st = Patrick + Hart
Nylander + Sandin + 1st = Provorov

But if you want to value it differently is fine. And by all means, remove Hart and one 1st from the deal and what you have left is still a damn good trade for both teams.

Kadri is way more valuable right now than Patrick. He’s looking good, but is pretty far removed from the hype surrounding him when he was drafted. He is probably going to work out well, but still a big risk from Toronto trading a 30+ goal scoring center for a sophomore who is putting up mediocre numbers.


11.) 29 Nov 2018 20:45:33
Bad for Philly
Patrick=Kadri
Hart=Sandin And a 1st
Provorov>>> Nylander And 1st.


12.) 29 Nov 2018 21:56:13
@vb

This is where we have to agree to disagree, because imo, Patrick is definitely not equal to Kadri. Kadri is everything Philly hopes Patrick turns into. A 30 goal scorer who can play all aspects of the game and is on a good contract. Kadri is immediate and significant help without waiting for development. Philly needs to improve and this trade would do that.

@memarcusjoe

Philly already has Sanheim, who is doing very well this year. They also have Morin and Gonning, and now would have Sandin as well. I think Philly has enough defensemen they will be ok. I actually wasn’t even going to include Sandin at first, but couldn’t think of anyone else that would work (we need Liljegren and none of our forward prospects are all that great) .

I knew these were both good proposals when I floated them. And what I mean by good is that I knew they would get the discussion going. Both threads got a lot of attention.


 

 

28 Nov 2018 01:25:46
Leafs trade Kapanen, Sparks
Vancouver trades Goldobin, Demko.

LeafsGM

1.) 28 Nov 2018 16:52:33
Holy!, I don’t think Benning would have ever blocked someone’s phone number so fast as he would if Dubas suggested this 😂

Kapanen has more value than Goldobin I guess but Demko is in a different league than Sparks when it comes to value, this trade isn’t even close.


2.) 28 Nov 2018 17:28:39
I stead of Demko, how about DiPietro.

My thinking is Andersen is going to be expensive dive to re-sign. Maybe we can get a highly ranked goalie prospect player to replace him in a few years.


 

 

28 Nov 2018 01:01:27
If Nylander re-signs

Leafs trade Kapanen
Washington trades Vrana.

LeafsGM

1.) 28 Nov 2018 12:23:52
why would they trade kapanen just to get another forward?


2.) 28 Nov 2018 13:04:18
LW vs RW because RW is stronger, especially once Nylander returns. I wouldn’t do it, but I’m sure that’s his justification.


3.) 28 Nov 2018 17:26:40
@unbiasedjim

That’s exactly what I was getting at. Lol.

Kapanen is a wasted asset on third line, which he will be playing when Nylander comes back. We could try him LW, but if that doesn’t work well, we could consider trading him to shore up thy side. Vrana is an equally capable player. Brings Cup pedigree, which would be nice to have.

Why wouldn’t you make this trade? Value seems to be about equal?


 

 

 

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03 Dec 2018 02:21:53
Looking at the Nylander signing, you got to think Dubas did an outstanding job here. He got his man. He got him at the cap hit he wanted. Nylander aberages $7.5 per year, so he gets his money. And that front loaded contract pretty well ensures he’s going to remain a Leaf for a while. I mean, this was a big deal, and Dubas handled it like a pro.

LeafsGM

1.) 03 Dec 2018 03:38:14
The reason it worked out like that is because Nylander held out, which you’ve been attacking him for on here since the beginning of the season. Dubas did a good job but part of that was probably ensuring the hold out you’ve been attacking Nylander for.


2.) 03 Dec 2018 04:53:33
The fact is, things could have gone sour. Nylander almost missed the entire season and Dubas may not have got a return for him. Both these guys could have ended up looking real bad. The holdout was complete b. s. Nylander should have signed for $6.9 beginning of the season and been on the team at the start of the year. To hold out a third of the year for the equivalent of $0.6M in salary ($7.5-$6.9) is selfish and greedy. Dubas turned a bad situation into a good one that satisfies everyone, and came out looking all the better for it.


3.) 03 Dec 2018 05:07:57
(7.5-6.9)*6 = $3.6M extra over the contract he made holding out. But, he loses 1/ 3 of his salary from this year for sitting out, which is 0.33* (10) = $3.3M.

So in all, Nylander gained ($3.6-$3.3)=$0.3M for missing out this whole time. Was it really worth it?


4.) 03 Dec 2018 07:48:55
Doesn't surprise me that leafsgm flip flops. He makes bold statements then when proven wrong, backtracked, deflects and makes excuses.

Shows his true character. At least I can admit what I am and when I am wrong lol.


5.) 03 Dec 2018 08:23:38
Your math is off on so many levels, I don't even know where to start.
And giving Nylander all the fault is pure hypocrisy, the Leafs are as much to fault as Nylander is. Each party fought hard for their goal, not more not less.


6.) 03 Dec 2018 11:04:40
Yes redwing, you only changed your username on more than one occasion because everyone on this site called you out. It was a year or two before you grew a set and admitted you are colt.


7.) 03 Dec 2018 14:00:50
What’s off with his math? $600k a year for 6years is $3.6 mill. This seasons salary is $10 mill and he gets $6.7mill of it. He has missed out on $3.3 mill. $3.6mill gain and $3.3 mill loss. Net gain $300k.


8.) 03 Dec 2018 14:14:56
And not all leaf fans blame Nylander. I don’t blame him for the awkward spot he was put in. I think he really overvalued himself, and that's fine. I’ve said it before on here, he’s guilty of what 90% of working people are guilty of. They think they’re worth more than their boss does. No blame, it’s settled.


9.) 03 Dec 2018 15:09:04
I didn’t backpedal, make excuses, or flip flop at all. I said it was a good contract, sure. But Nylander gained nothing from holding out this whole time. I even showed you the calculations that prove he gained nothing from a this. And my math is very correct as well. So $300k over six years for missing a third of the season is all Nylander gained fromtgis. Was it worth it? Probably not when Dubas would have signed him for that at the beginning of the year I’m sure.


10.) 03 Dec 2018 19:05:13
let's just say for fun he still only got an extra 300,000 that's still pretty good for 2 months of doing nothing it's a far cry from all this money you guys said he was missing out on by not playing. and if this was all it took why didn't dubas sign him two months ago?


11.) 03 Dec 2018 19:10:53
How much actual money does nylander get from this deal?


12.) 03 Dec 2018 20:02:01
He missed out on 27 games of his career for the money he would have made in 3-4 games. Those are games and missed stats that atvthe end of your career you can never get back. If he’s okay trading that for 300k while collecting $41+ mill, that’s up to him. I’ve said it lots, no Blame on him. He did what ember wanted and he gets to reap whatever benefits and suffer whatever consequences comes with it.


13.) 03 Dec 2018 20:27:56
How much actual money do he get from the entire contract?


14.) 03 Dec 2018 21:28:32
He gets $24.3 mill signing bonus over the entire term and $17.723 mill salary over the entire term.

$42,023,000 over 6 years. So pennies over $7 mill per.

It’s written up as $24.3mill bonus, $20.7mill salary for a total of $45mill (6x$7.5 mill)

However he gets 127 days worth of $10 mill this season which is 7,023,000. The rest evaporated with the hold out. Get it now?!


15.) 03 Dec 2018 21:34:56
After taking into account the loss of 1/ 3 his salary this year, he takes home about $42M over the course of six years. Or just shy of $7M. $6.9 is the figure thrown around. Which is probably right about where Dubas started his negotiations from what I’ve been reading this whole time. Dubas won these negotiations. And he did a damn good job at it too.


16.) 03 Dec 2018 23:10:04
So I've read that dubas first offer was 6 x6 so willy now gets an extra 1mil per year. I think it was worth his while to hold out. So say all you want that dubas won this but clearly nylander didn't lose. Get it now?


17.) 04 Dec 2018 00:55:45
Where did you read that? One of the reporters that in your own words you don’t believe and trust? Lol because I listened to Nylander talk for 15 min and dubas for 30 min and neither of them said that.

You said if the reporter doesn’t give his source it’s not true. So who was the source? Nylander, dubas, shanahan, Pridham, gross, Michael Nylander? Lol come one man. Stick to a set of rules for once 😂.


18.) 04 Dec 2018 01:02:48
You ask for all the numbers like you don’t believe them and repeatedly try to disprove them, when you finally realize they’re correct and it’s not bad, now unnamed sources amhave told you new information to sway it again?! Haha who’s article was it? Yupp? Lol.


19.) 04 Dec 2018 01:17:31
Pretty hard to “lose” when you are earning $7M a year. We can never know for sure where these guys started their negotiations. My understanding is Nylander started at $9.5, expecting to meet around $8, and Dubas started at $6, and refused to go past $7.

The only losers here were the fans, as always, who were left without their star 1RW to cheer on for a third of the season because he refused to play due to an honest, but mistaken, belief that he deserved more than his output to date would suggest he did.


20.) 04 Dec 2018 04:36:48
Leafsgm see I can't argue with that good job. Now if you go by reports nylander started at 8 or 8.5 and the leafs started at 6x6 or 2 years x 5mil. now like I said before I don't believe reports but I throw them out just to win an argument with jim. He thinks our arguments need things like rules and what not but he's just proving my point from the other day that those who are ready to put dubas on a pedestal for this deal only use the reports that make things in his favour. fact is we don't know what the initial offers were but I'd be willing to bet nylander got more then the initial offer from the leafs or he'd still be in Sweden. plus we can only assume what his actual market value is but I'd be suprised if anyone even leaf fans think he should be making more then pastranak. So I will say again it's not a bad deal for the leafs and I wouldn't call the leafs a total loser in this deal but if I was to pick a winner out of this negotiation I'd have to give the nod to nylander.


21.) 04 Dec 2018 04:40:18
I told you today pierre lebrun reported. I also remember at least one of dreger or mckenzie saying the exact same thing a month or so ago. But yeah I still don't believe they actually knew it to be true just like I don't believe nylander was looking for 8.5 mil. But if you guys want to use reports as an argument I guess I've got to throw the other ones your not talking about out there from time to time lol.


22.) 04 Dec 2018 04:42:32
An internet jockey like you jim shouldn't have much trouble finding those reports try looking somewhere other then the leafs websites that are also pumping dubas tires.


23.) 04 Dec 2018 12:59:25
I haven’t used those reports. I’ve said I personally feel he was $6.5-6.75 mill and could see an argument for calling anything under 7 a win long before he signed for $6.97 lol between the cap hit being under $7 mill and the structuring of bonuses and salaries that put leafs in total control of trading him and actually makes his contract more of an asset by the day makes it an easy win.

Believe what numbers you want, he obviously wanted more than this, they wanted to sign him for less clearly. But his fear was they were going to sign him for less and then trade him, and this contract makes that so easy to do going forward that I don’t see how he’s a big winner. He did alright. He got a bit more money and signed on the dotted line that gives so many more options to dubas from now on than he hadnt had before. Nylander gave up a ton to get that bit extra cash, which is fine, but he did concede important things.


24.) 04 Dec 2018 13:25:14
You think Nylander won. Fine.

I think team won. Fine

We will wait and see, the numbers (stats and contract) are very similar with inflation to Pastrnak. Did you think Pastrnak won that getting $6.67? I know a lot people that did. And a year later, not a chance he's getting whatbhes worth. Sweeney won that all day long. Now pasta was asked about it and says he has no regrets about signing it and is happy, same answer Morgan Rielly gave about his $5 mill deal, but if you think those aren’t team friendly deals and wins for the organizations, you’re absolutely wrong.

So we will wait and see what Nylander does, but with him only 22 years old, similar path to this point of pasta and the structure of the contract I’m very confident saying this will be better for the team than him. Either because he outperforms the contract or he’s moved to a team he didint want to sign with and leafs get a great return.


25.) 04 Dec 2018 15:12:13
Ok we'll let's just say nobody won then. Neither got exactly what they wanted so they both lose lol.


26.) 04 Dec 2018 15:23:17
I never once said the leafs wouldn't become the winner in a few years. I said nylander won this negotiation. Nobody knows how good or bad that deal will look in 5 years. leafs won the tavares sweepstakes but is that deal going to seem like a winner in year 7? Maybe, but who knows. Reilly's deal at the time was fair for him maybe slightly high if anything it's good now but I don't think a lot of people were saying it was a huge win for the leafs when they signed him. i seem to remember a few saying they liked the deal and it was good for both sides which is what they should be saying about the nylander deal.


 

 

16 Nov 2018 00:34:20
So, Cox actually came up with the idea Leafs trade Matthews to Buffalo for Dahlin + Eichel.

Its Dubas’ job to ice the best possible team at all times, and Matthews dislocating both shoulders in a year has to be concerning. If Buffalo would dare contenplate this, should Dubas pull the trigger?

LeafsGM

1.) 16 Nov 2018 02:48:12
Who is going with Mathews? Reilly Liligren NYlander?

Mathews and Eichel are equals. and Dahlin is the top D prospect in years. Cox is an idiot.


2.) 16 Nov 2018 07:12:10
Cox is an idiot! I think we can all agree on that!


3.) 16 Nov 2018 08:09:34
This could only come from a Leafs media member, wow.
At this point, AM might have a slightly higher value than Eichel, although Eichel already has that semi-decent long-term deal signed.
But thinking the difference is Dahlin, who by many is called a generational D talent? Suuuure.


4.) 16 Nov 2018 11:51:52
Did Cox actually list anyone to trade Mathews for in his tweet? I didn't see that just that he did suggest they consider trading Mathews. For a young talent with a few years left on a deal and a significant piece on the start of ELC. Buffalo laughs at this trade btw. If buffalo was dumb enough to offer Dahlin and eichel for Mathews Dubas I would hope would say yes as fast as he could.


5.) 16 Nov 2018 14:35:38
I didn't see it Yupp, I only commented on what LeafsGM posted. so. if Cox proposed that trade. ya he's out to lunch , however if he just said trade him. well I've been saying that for months.

How bout this.
To Toronto.
OEL
Galchenyuk
Crouse
To Arizona
Mathews
Gardiner.


6.) 16 Nov 2018 14:44:24
Cox Tweet reads as "Tavares is playing so well it make you think ; why not sign Marner and Nylander, and trade Mathews for a pile of goodies? Not saying they would, but it's not such a crazy idea anymore. And that's because of JT. Something significant that helps now and is under contract for 3 years, plus something significant that is just starting entry level" Damien Cox Nov 14, 2018.

He's not suggesting they trade Mathews. I think he's just saying that it's not a crazy idea anymore? What do you guys think he's suggesting wth that tweet?

I didn't see anything about him brining up Dahlin and Eichel.


7.) 16 Nov 2018 14:45:55
I don't think he's an idiot for simply suggesting it's not a crazy idea to think about it.
If he actually suggested buffalo would trade eichel and Dahlin for Mathews, now he's an idiot. Lol.
Interesting coming from a manner of the Toronto media and not somewhere else tho.


8.) 16 Nov 2018 16:30:49
Ahhh. I misread his twitter feed. Someone else suggested the trade in response to his original tweet. My bad. Cox wasn’t brave enough to make any suggestions himself.


9.) 16 Nov 2018 17:14:34
That makes more sense LeafsGM. I take back my Cox is an idiot statement lol.


10.) 16 Nov 2018 17:15:24
Sosa that’s a terrible offer almost as bad as the buffalo one proposed Galchenyuk=Gardiner. Crouse is 4th line AHLer and OEL=Rielly.


11.) 16 Nov 2018 17:56:34
If Crouse and Lucic were the same cap hit I’d take Lucic all day. Atleast he brings a presence of intimidation.


12.) 16 Nov 2018 19:02:05
@sosa

I find it interesting that Cox says we should trade Matthews, and even suggests outline of the type of trade we should be seeking, but didn’t have the guts to actually post a proposal himself.

At minimal, he got people talking and attracting attention to himself. Which is his job I guess. Lol.


13.) 16 Nov 2018 20:04:12
My thought VB. OEL and Crouse equal Marhews. and Galchenyuk is equal to or better than Gardiner.
Crouse is jus a big body. maybe some grit, and he's young enough to still grow. if you would prefer a pick or someone else who could add grit.
You would have your number 1 D. Your number 2 center, and some size in the bottom 6.


14.) 16 Nov 2018 22:34:56
@yupp, When you first brought up Damien Cox you didn’t seem too familiar with him and I started typing “you’re going to find out in a hurry what people think of Damien Cox” but then I didn’t bother. This is the reaction I was expecting lol He’s not saying they will or should trade AM here, so I don’t think he’s an idiot for this tweet whatsoever, but just about anyone who knows this guys history as a writer, specifically in Toronto, but anywhere really thinks he’s an idiot lol there have been petitions and attempts to have him removed from tv panels and radio shows multiple times lol until that Sportsnet George Strombo debacle, he was enemy #1 of a lot of fans.


15.) 16 Nov 2018 20:44:56
@sosa, I respectfully disagree lol galchenyuk is not equal or more value than Gardiner. He’s a talented guy, still has time to put up better years (seen it with B. schenn and now Max Domi recently) but until he does, he’s a 45-55 pt forward who lacks intensity. Gardiner is a 40-50 pt Dman.

And if that is the return for Matthews, I wouldn’t consider it at all. A 21 year old franchise centreman for a really good 28 year old Dman and a very underwhelming prospect? It would have to be an unbelievable package to consider trading Matthews and that just isn’t one.


16.) 16 Nov 2018 20:46:06
I’d prefer a a 7th round pick over crouse lol Mathews> 2x OEL.


17.) 16 Nov 2018 21:03:25
A package for a top 3 player in the NHL should include a 1D, top F, top prospect and 1st

Mathews for Trochek, Eklblad, Tippet/ Borgstrom And 1st 2019

Mathews will not be traded and Oilers fans to the leafs fans think of a package that is worth McDavid because the gap between both players is very small. Sosa would you have traded Jean Beliveau for Doug Mohns, Charlie Burns And Jim Bartlett?


18.) 16 Nov 2018 23:31:38
Well VB. I may be off. but calling Mathews a top 3 in the league. that's off as well. Also. don't compare Jean Beliveau to Mathews. 0ne was the most respected and dignafied gentleman the league has seen. other. an arrogant American csucker ( jk. jus want to fire you guys up) well kind of kidding.

Jim, you made a good point, and I think your probably right. I undervalue Mathews at time. obviously you want to keep him. But, what do you think is fair for Mathews?


19.) 17 Nov 2018 00:25:04
I don’t know what would actually be fair because the idea of it is really far fetched to me. I don’t think VBB is far off though to be honest. It would have to be a top pair D, young roster top 6 player, top prospect and a 1st to consider.


20.) 17 Nov 2018 01:02:29
I just don't see it in that guy. that he's worth that much. maybe he is.
I don't thimk he is a big game guy. he can easily be taken out of the game, when the games really matter. Maybe he will prove me wrong. and, now with the shoulder issues at his age, I'd try and trade him, get as much as I could. so of you could get what VB suggested. take it and run.


21.) 17 Nov 2018 06:51:10
Yeah, I’m not worried about him enough to trade him. Also I know you have a hate on for him, kinda like VBs hate on for Faulk and that’s okay lol but I don’t see how he isn’t a big game player though. He didn’t have a good playoff round vs the Bruins last year, can’t deny that, but he was hurt late in the regular season, never got his game back to top form and was just plain outplayed by the best line in hockey that season (berg/ March/ pasta) and shut down by Bergeron which can be said about a lot of top players over the last decade.

But he was great in his only other playoff series vs the Caps. Lots of clutch GWGs during his 2+ seasons, OT and Late goals when games are on the line. Has scored the winner in 10% of the games he’s played in the NHL, not just the games his team has won, but all the ones he’s played in. Hopefully he gets healthy and gets a chance to prove you wrong in May and June this season 😉 lol the way the leafs are playing, doesn’t seem like a need to rush him back Either, makes sure he’s right when he plays. Having Tavares/ Kadri holding down the fort instead of Kadri/ Bozak like last year should allow them to be more patient with him.


22.) 17 Nov 2018 20:08:14
Jim . I would be happy to see your team play in May and June. but not with that guy. as long as he wears a Maple Leafs Jersey, Leafs will be viewed by me same as I view the Bruins (spit) 🤬🤮🤭

Hopefully if they do make finals. play the Jets. Laine can show the world why he's better.


23.) 17 Nov 2018 22:16:46
Lol okay. Still don’t understand what he’s done besides being born in America and drafted by the leafs to be hated though lol always been a great player, never been a dirty player, not outspoken, never whines to a ref, never taken a dive or embellished. All I know he’s done that rubbed some people the wrong way is he had a cpl pretty colourful celebrations (like 3 or 4 out of his 84 nhl goals) . But if that’s the bar for you hating a good player, you should have been disgusted with Subban. He’s the most penalized player in the leagues new fine based diving rules and he always celebrates goals in a loud an extravagant fashion.


24.) 18 Nov 2018 01:49:07
Sosa just don't like Americans it goes right back to the war of 1812 lol.


25.) 18 Nov 2018 05:26:12
Lol gotcha.


 

 

14 Oct 2018 15:14:35
Vegas is off to a pretty slow start. Even if they win the next two games, that only makes them a .500 team with 10% of the season played.

Was last year an artificial showing caused by steroids and hype and they are finally coming back to reality?

LeafsGM

1.) 14 Oct 2018 16:32:06
Just stop. The amount of substance found in Schmidts blood was negligable at best and no he wasnt cleansing for months for a random drug test. Even if he was actively doing steroids one guy on roids doesn't makw you one of the best teams in the league. They over achieved last year everyone knew that and don't act like .500 after 8 games means anything at the end of the season.


2.) 14 Oct 2018 17:49:53
Yeah, I think anyone who watches enough NHL hockey would say they overachieved last year and a slow start means nothing. I would guess they are, in reality, a team that will battle for a playoff spot, probably a wildcard.


3.) 14 Oct 2018 18:32:40
I predict they don't make the playoffs. But who knows with this bunch lol.


 

 

10 Oct 2018 17:29:05
Good players make those they play with better. Perfect example is Kapanen playing with Matthews right now. If we dump Nylander on a bottom feeding team like Arizona, I guarantee his stats go down, not the players surrounding him go up. Whereas if we were to trade Matthews or Marner to the same team, it’s more likely those same players on Arizona would have career years. Nylander is not a superstar and will never so much as smell the Art Ross Trophy. The only time he will ever get to touch any hardware like the Hart or Ted Lindsay is if Matthews or Tavares let's him after they win it.

LeafsGM

1.) 10 Oct 2018 18:48:19
Agree with a lot of it. Your Nylander hate is on point lol however I’m not there. Also I could see marner having as good of shot at an Art Ross as Tavares. Matthews will be up there probably but he’s still more of a goal scorer. Tavares, although 6g0a won’t last, he will get some assists, but I still think he will be scoring more goals than assists. Typically Art Ross guys aren't the ones with as many goals as assists or more goals than assists. That’s why the rocket was made, to recognize the great goal scorers. Look at the last 10+ years of Art Ross winners and you will see Mcdavid, Kane, Crosby, the Sedins, Thornton, St Louis etc. Ovie did have one, but typically it’s the set up man who plays with guys that can bury goals. So marner being on a line with JT and on a PP with JT, Matthews and Kadri I think could reach that 30 goal, 70 assists mark easier than JT could reach 45 goals and 55 assists to make the same 100pt season.


2.) 10 Oct 2018 21:44:40
@unbiasedjim

It’s also a lot easier to get assists, because for every goal, there are usually two assists awarded. Which is why Gardiner has managed to hit the 50 point mark all sudden. Because he’s feeding the outlet pass to these great players that can make the moves and bury the puck.

With both Matthews and Tavares to set up, I agree that Marner could have a shot at the Art Ross too. Would be nice to see him develop into a shooter too though. If we have four guys on the team scoring 30 goals apiece, would make for spectacular hockey.


3.) 10 Oct 2018 23:18:20
Exactly. That’s why I meant Marner could climb the points leader board easier. And why I believe most Art Ross winners are guys with far more assists than goals generally.


 

 

06 Oct 2018 06:25:09
Anyone else think Hamonic got what he deserved for trying to fight Gudbranson? Gudbranson is much larger and has a lot less to lose if he gets hurt. Hamonic literally got his face broken. He was way out of his league on this one.

LeafsGM

1.) 06 Oct 2018 12:35:48
He didn’t “Literally “ get his face broken he figuratively got his face broken.


2.) 06 Oct 2018 15:20:59
"Hamonic out week to week with facial fracture"
I think that's literally face bones breaking a little - "fracture"
Why the F does that offend you anyways vbb.


3.) 06 Oct 2018 16:35:53
@vb

You should just change your user name and come back on under a different pseudonym and try a less condenscending and confrontational approach. Because you have officially made yourself look like the biggest dumbass on this site. If you don’t know the difference between “literally” and “figuratively”, then you should consult a doctionary before commenting. Once again, I feel embarrassed for you. I would actually be so ashamed right now if I was you, I would delete my profile and start over.


4.) 06 Oct 2018 16:45:13
Facial Fracture, is a broken face
I'm not going to say he got what he deserved. give him credit for standing up for a young rookie . However, if fighting was still a big thing, I think Gudbranson could be a the heavy Weight contender, has big strong and tough. I sure wouldn't want to mess with him
I miss the old school tough guy fighter on the ice., especially in instances like this. Its unfortunate that Hamonic was the guy to stick up for his team , as its not a role suited fo him. the game has changed, and the tough guy is going the way of the stand up goalie. Pretty much extinct.


5.) 06 Oct 2018 17:16:27
Hamonic has the respect of his team mates doesn't really matter what we think.


6.) 06 Oct 2018 18:01:06
Very true Habby. Good veteran leader in the locker room and community.
They did give up way too much to get him tho. Side note.


7.) 06 Oct 2018 21:34:58
Oh for sure they gave up too much.


8.) 07 Oct 2018 14:56:49
He actually fractured his face 😂 I didn’t think he did.


 

 

 

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11 Dec 2018 16:03:28
We kinda need Liljegren more than Sandin is true too. Especially if we are trading out Zaitsev. We still have Reilly and Dermott for left side. Right side one Pietrangelo is gone, we really have no one left with Zaitsev and Liljegren already gone, there would be no one left.

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11 Dec 2018 00:42:01
I like using precedents as the basis for my proposals as well, and I think the McDonagh one is most relevant for a Pietrangelo deal.

Pietrangelo is on LTIR, and may require surgery for his hand. That could have him sidelined for quite a while. Obviously no deals would be made until he comes back and is playing at 100%, at which point deadline may have already passed. Then the Karlsson trade becomes the most relevant comparable.

Just one question: the conditional pick for Leafs winning cup in 2021 doesn’t make sense if Pietrangelo doesn’t re-sign (he won’t be on the team then) . If he re-signs, they get the pick anyway. So maybe just make it conditional on the extension?

Good job TSS. This trade has a lot of merit. Helps both teams achieve something. I expect if Petro gets moved, a package similar to this one would be the return for him. Blues might wait until next year to see if the team is competitive. Both Schenn and Pietro will be pending UFA’s then.

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10 Dec 2018 18:54:31
Can Oiler’s even afford to do this? Incoming salary is significantly higher than outgoing, and Oilers are pretty tight against the cap right now.

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08 Dec 2018 17:50:38
If Slavin could slide over to right side, would be an interesting idea. There’s a lot to like about Slavin, especially his contract. Having him on the team would give us at least three defenders in top 50.

Andersen is playing fantastic. Think he has a shot at the Vezina? Would be nice if Leafs take home some hardware this year?

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08 Dec 2018 16:23:38
How much do we really need Slavin anyway? Sure, he’s a great player, but Leafs have one of the best GA in the league. We have a couple outstanding young prospects in Sandin and Liljegren. I don’t see the benefit in trading away our 1RW for a guy that would only marginally improve our defense.

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