09 Mar 2018 20:36:27
Hypothetically. if Arizona wins lottery and ottawa gets 2nd or 3rd pick.

Arizona : 1st overall pick

Ottawa : 2nd or 3rd overall pick, pittsburgs 1st rounder (from brassard deal), Bobby Ryan

Reasoning is ottawa don't need much to turn things around and dahlin would do it.
Arizona on the other hand has defence already but is sorely lacking in terms of offence.
By picking up Ryan who they can afford as one of the few teams that has room for him then get a 60 point per year guy.

1.) 09 Mar 2018
09 Mar 2018 21:50:39
Lol you call Ryan a 60 pts Guy

John chayka laugh hard.

2.) 09 Mar 2018
09 Mar 2018 21:53:39
You are just like GoldenShowers but Senator's version.

3.) 09 Mar 2018
09 Mar 2018 21:56:25
Ryan is a cap dump with negative value. That's why Ottawa is trying to attach him to any Karlsson deal. A Pittsburgh 1st is not nearly enough to bridge the gap between Dahlin and the 2nd or 3rd overall with Ryan involved.

4.) 09 Mar 2018
09 Mar 2018 22:35:21
Imo Arizona would rather trade Ekman-Larsson and build around Dahlin. Plus, some other teams could come up with much better proposals.

5.) 10 Mar 2018
09 Mar 2018 23:21:34
Actually Arizona has a ton of young high end ceiling forwards like Keller, strome, Dvorak, Fischer, domi even crouse to a lesser degree. They don’t have those high end prospects on the blue line and would not pass up Dahlin.

There’s rumors that OEL may not want to be back in Arizona beyond next season. Then Dahlin is the replacement. And if those rumors are BS which is very possible, why would they pass on Dahlin when they have an elite #1 Swedish D to groom him? Either way, coyotes make that pick if they win it.

6.) 10 Mar 2018
09 Mar 2018 23:32:49
And as Cou says IF Arizona let it known they were shopping that pick, teams would line up with more than a late 1st and a cap dump to upgrade their pick.

7.) 10 Mar 2018
10 Mar 2018 02:15:42
This is not a year to trade the first overall. Maybe if Karlsson is involved they will listen.

8.) 10 Mar 2018
10 Mar 2018 02:53:28
Lol biased rambo getting roasted up in here. Brutal proposal. The price to get rid of ryan's contract is at least a first round pick. So Arizona trades Dahlin for the 2nd or 3rd overall for nothing.

Cool story bro.

9.) 10 Mar 2018
10 Mar 2018 21:39:54
1st off Ryan is far from negative value. The guy had one bad season due to health issues, that never has and never will warrent a negative value.

Even this year the guy has 27 points in 47 games so far working out to a 0.57 point per game average a little past the half way mark. and last year's playoffs he was the 2nd best player for ottawa next to EK.

Is he worth 7 million? No. but
is he worth less than 5? Probably not.
Does Arizona have the cap space for the over payment? Heck yeah they do.

Most of Arizona's current front end prospects outside domi are a bust.

So again while dahlin is highly hyped up I doubt a team like Arizona would be crazy enough to turn down a 50 to 60 point top 6 winger, a mid to late 1st, and the 2nd or 3rd overall pick even if it is for the 1st overall.

Aside from a bad contract and one very bad yet unhealthy season, can anyone actually come up with any reason whatsoever that Ryan would have anywhere near a negative value? No? I didn't think so.

10.) 10 Mar 2018
10 Mar 2018 21:49:16
On top of this I won the brassard debate where y'all said sens would be lucky to get an early
my 2nd or a late 1st for him. well not only did we get a 1st like I guarenteed we would but we also got a high end goalie prospect on top of that. go figure. Phaneuf also got traded like I said he would, mind you dummion Dorian took a retention when he shouldn't have but still the trade happened. Not to mention the over payment on Duchene while it was huge overpayment we didn't move Chabot brown or white like all of you kept claiming it would take.

So y'all can keep talking trash all you want I'll just keep preparing speeches for the "I told you so" moments. clearly I know more about real life trades and values than the majority of you no common sense nobodies.

11.) 11 Mar 2018
10 Mar 2018 23:53:40
Rambo, people said you would get an early second or late first for brassard and you think they’re wrong? A pens first is about as late as it gets when predicting before the playoffs, and they retained half his salary for this year and next. Obviously you’re going to get a little more lol that’s not saying everyone was wrong, sens added an asset (salary retention) is to brassard to get that return. Figure it out man.

12.) 11 Mar 2018
10 Mar 2018 23:58:27
And yeah, you’re so right, 19 yearold clayton Keller with 18 NHL goals and 50 pts in his first 69 games is so much more of a bust than 23 year old Max Domi with 32 goals and m 200+ games. You have zero cred.

13.) 11 Mar 2018
11 Mar 2018 00:40:28
Well said Rambo. I`m a Hawks fan and can see that value as you do. There can be a deal in place there but maybe twitch it around a bit as the rumour does say that Ekman-Larsen wants out and Arizona will keep and build around Dalin. So maybe something like;

Ottawa trades ( Ceci or Claesson), White and Ryan

Arizona trades Ekman-Larsen, 2nd 2018

or Arizona 1st pick 2018 = Dalin only.

14.) 11 Mar 2018
11 Mar 2018 03:18:58
Hahaha delusions from fantasy island! Ryan's contract is horrendous. Guy is as clueless as the Sens joke of an owner.

15.) 11 Mar 2018
11 Mar 2018 03:52:02
Hmmm. What if Ottawa got number 1 overall and Arizona got number 2?

Alex Goligoski, the 2nd overall pick and a 2nd for 1st overall? Nope, Ottawa wouldn't do that. Similarly, Zona wouldn't do the propsed deal.

16.) 12 Mar 2018
11 Mar 2018 22:32:09
Is hawks18 and nobiasrambo the same person? He has done the 2 account thing before.

17.) 12 Mar 2018
12 Mar 2018 16:29:05
Biased Jim. you might want to do you're research a little better.

The trade went as follows.

Ott gets Gustafson, a 3rd next year, pens 1st, And Cole who they flipped for a 3rd

Vegas eats 40% of brassard contract and gets pens 4th and Reaves

Pens get brassard (at 60%), Dunne, Lindberg, and sens 3rd

That just proves you don't actually follow the sport.