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09 Jan 2018 23:22:46
Tavares is rumored to be traded by deadline.

Ottawa players brassard Smith and Ceci all drawing legit interest from around the league.

Nyi: Tavares

Ott: brassard, Ceci, Smith, white

Isles get a top 6 center, top 4 young defenceman who's starting to look like he can reach the potential originally seen in him, an elite prospect center, and a big body physical guy who can play anywhere in the line up, rather than losing him to free agency for nothing.

Then ottawa trades burrows who has also been drawing league interest for a 3rd or 4th. and dumps Phaneuf for what ever they can get. then MacArthur retires.

Dzingle Tavares stone
Hoffman Duchene Ryan
Chlapic pageau pyatt
Dumont kelly Thompson

Karlsson oduya
Wideman Chabot
Claeson borowieski


Then aim for dahlin in the lottery or the back up plan of Brady tkechuck (if I even spelled that Right lol)

With the contracts dumped they should have more than enough money to resign stone EK and Tavares and have some left over for the future.


Keep in mind Tavares is getting traded anyway, meet York will want to remain competitive now rather than fall into a total rebuild, and considering what stars have gone for lately it's doubtful they'll get a better offer for him than this.

NoBiasRambo

1.) 09 Jan 2018 23:32:52
I don't know what your hearing and that return is horrible 3 decling players and a decent prospect for Tavares a top 10 player in the league maybe top 5 right now no way.


2.) 10 Jan 2018 00:13:20
I definitely think they should dump smith but the Islanders might hold on to Tavares after all. Regardless I think this is not one of the situations where a team is looking for quantity, so the Senators would have to offer up something better than what they do in this hypothetical.


3.) 09 Jan 2018 23:39:08
You really think that's the best offer the Islanders would get for Tavares?

Laughable.


4.) 10 Jan 2018 00:29:49
Hahahaha like wtf tho no from Islanders this is terrible.


5.) 10 Jan 2018 00:58:19
Why would you loose the farm on JT when you can buy him in a couple years!


6.) 10 Jan 2018 01:13:49
Ya. no from Isles. Also. do you think that Chris Kelly still plays for the sens?


7.) 10 Jan 2018 02:40:40
That's not the farm and Tavares is free this summer buddy.


8.) 10 Jan 2018 05:17:51
I think a lot of people overate half a season of Tavares.


9.) 10 Jan 2018 06:16:51
Nylander again you prove to know nothing. Keep it up. Tavares is a franchise player (no Marner is not) and he’s a top 10 player in the world. Bruh.


10.) 10 Jan 2018 10:12:43
His contract is up at seasons end, he already made public he has no intentions of resigning a contract with new York, no team in their right mind is going to pay top dollar for a rental player sorry to tell you guys.

Ottawa has the guys that can be dumped and not cripple the team doing so.

And what declining players are you even talking about canucks?

Ceci - on the rise and getting better not on decline.

Brassard and smith - both as consistent as ever and also not near a decline.

White - elite level prospect with potential to reach top 6 or even top 3 center.

The most a rental usually gets is a roster player, a decent prospect, and a mid to late 1st. here they get a roster player in Smith an elite prospect in white a top 4 d in Ceci and a top 6 center in brassard so yeah I do think this is the best they could get for Tavares if he doesn't come fully signed.

Oh as for Ceci value here's a news flash, he was supposed to have been traded a couple years ago to Edmonton straight up for taylor hall but having to wait for approval from owner ultimately costed them as devils sweeper him up. considering he has improved since then I'd say his value went up too.


11.) 10 Jan 2018 11:23:14
Stop. Overating. Your. Players.

Its annoying buddy.

Ceci ain't on the rise. All Sens fans i see on Ig/ twitter are harping on him and the pairing of him/ Oduya. he's probabky a good number 4 dman, but nothing really more.

Brassaed and Smith ain't as consistent as ever. Brassard is an okay 2nd line centre or very good 3rd liner, but nothing more. he's nowhere near elite 'consistent status', and the downgrade frok tavares to him is huge. And Smith is merely a cup dump, don't play him up, he's 3 million for a 4th lime centre, similar to Marcus Kruger.

And White ain't an 'elite prospect'. he's a good prospect, a high end guy for sure, but i'd put him in the same boat as guys like Julian Gauthier or Sam Steel. Elite would be guys like Miro Heiskanen or others like that.

Basically, with the cap dump of Smith, that makes up from the addition of Ceci. This is basically Brassard + White for Tavares. No way NYI accepts. They'd be either trading JT for a boatload of picks/ prospects, or, for a star player in return.

Sorry i had to rant, but its getting frustarting seeing you overvalue Ottawa players despite everyoje saying their valeus are less than what you percieve em as.


12.) 10 Jan 2018 12:11:59
Rambo Cecis value has fallen off a cliff last couple years. He simply isn't that good. Also A) that was with Chia and he's an awful GM and B) Sens refused Drouin for Ceci and people were on board. So thank you. You think that's still where his value is? So glad we got Sergachev instead.


13.) 10 Jan 2018 17:48:54
I never said brassard or Smith were elite players topshelfslappers, I said they were consistent at their level which is a difference.

There is absolutely no way newly York gets Top dollar for a guy who remains unsigned, espessially one at Tavares level. no team will give more than that for him unless he's fully signed to a new contract, why would they take that chance of giving an all star package for a chance he signs with them as if he walks, they just gutted their team for nothing.

As for Smith and white, you're undervaluing white as he is for sure an elite prospect, why do you think Colorado was pursuing him and Chabot so heavily in Duchene garbage?
And Smith has been and still is one of the sens most sought after trade chips because he's a big body physical guy who can play any role on any line you need him to.
If you watch tsn and any of the sports shows let alone the game itself you'd already know this.

I'm not over valuing anyone I'm simply giving their actual value rather than the underrated values that seem to be perceived by people like you who think they know something but in reality know nothing.


14.) 10 Jan 2018 17:58:06
Like for instance I remember someone a while back saying Ceci wasn't worth a high 2nd round pick let alone a 1st, yet reality seemed to agreed with me in that a trade of Ceci straight up for Drouin was rejected by sens, and if not for ownership approved being needed first their was a deal made with Edmonton that would have seen Taylor hall for Ceci straight up.

Call me crazy but proposals of Ceci for a 1st look like a low ball offer compared to these 2 deals don't they? And Ceci has definitely gotten better since then espessially this season so his value has to have gone up or at the very least no way it's gone down.


15.) 10 Jan 2018 19:22:02
Cici has NOT gotten better in the last two seasons. He's gotten way worse. He had value two years ago because he then still was supposed to be pretty good, a lot better than he is now. He still had that thing called potential two years ago and that's what made him a little valuable. Two years later we know what the potential is. And it sure as rubbish isn't improved. Lol. That's hilarious.

And yes. You overvalue your Players drastically.

Zack Smith has 3G, 6A, 9P in 27 games and is a -15.
Career 155 points in 501 games played.
Making $3.25M a year for the next 3 seasons after this one WITH a modified NTC. He's nothing special man.
I really like the player, and would like him in my bottom six, but not for $3.25M for that production. He doesn't have much value with all things considered, production and salary and term.


16.) 10 Jan 2018 19:40:13
Cmon rambo.

this is the equivelant of bozak, komarov, carrick, kapanen and a 2nd for tavares. its so bad. stop being so biased towards sens players.


17.) 10 Jan 2018 20:13:57
Ok. Born and raised Sens fan from Ottawa here. First off with Duchene, Stone and Karlsson needing large contracts (7m, 7m, 12m) soon and 2 very ugly contracts on our books with Ryan, Phaneuf and another few smaller 2 year no trade contracts for players like Thompson and Burrows ( who is not going to get us a bag a pucks let alone a 3rd. ) we are in no position to take on Tavares nor would he likely wanna be here after this year.

I love that we got so close last year to making it to the stanley cup final but give your head a shake and come back down to earth. We gave away Methot for squat, lost wingels, Stalberg and macarthur as well.

Dorion and Melnyk are killing us. Gives away Karlssons partner and gives up Turris, First (protected if top 10) and a First rd'r (bowers) for Duchene.

realistically/ hopefully we trade away people who have value but are not essential like Hoffman, Smith and ceci and try to dump Phaneuf or Ryans contract somehow.

Brassard has value because he is am inexpensive centre on the books but because of that as well and the fact our owner is cheap he is likely not going anywhere.


18.) 10 Jan 2018 20:07:58
1) He has never said he has no intention of signing in New York, in fact the exact opposite. He keeps saying he wants to (whether that’s the truth or not is to be seen)

2) Tavares is not being overrated on half a season, has been a star in a shitty market for a long time.

3) Ottawa has a superstar player who I highly doubt is going to be there this time next year, and these players talk to each other. No other star is going to sign there if their own drafted and developed guy feels slighted there.

4) islanders might (especially if this is the return) keep JT for the playoff run the way they are going, and have a handshake deal (like yzerman and stamkos had) with him that if he wants to leave come July, he can negotiate his contract with any team he wants and they do a sign and trade through NYI.

This gives islanders a cpl assets, gives the other team the player they really want and gives Tavares a chance to get the 8th year in his contract he couldn’t otherwise get.


19.) 10 Jan 2018 22:14:10
As a sens fan from ottawa i agree 100% with frippers view, man that was well said.


20.) 12 Jan 2018 22:00:49
I never said Tavares is over rated he's elite no doubt that's not in question when it comes to his trade value. what is in question is his unsigned contract status which WILL bring down his value I don't care how elite a player he is.


Think of it from team management perspective. you offer your best player 3 different contract extensions with your club all of which he turns down without a sencond thought the biggest of which was 12.35 million per season, yes this was the latest offer, do you

A-keep him anyway and pray he changes his mind or let him walk away for nothing in free agency

Or

B-take an offer such as this one that keeps your team competitive now as well as gives you a big piece for the future

Most if not all gems will go with option b

Look at spezza deal when he was moved to Dallas. still in his prime and all he got was chaison a pick and paul and he was a point a game guy at the time too and he had a term contract.


21.) 13 Jan 2018 18:24:10
It's beyond me where you guys get your value ratings from.

Its like when it comes to the ottawa players only, you base their value solely on the players worst career seasons, ignoring every other thing it should be based on thus resulting in you low ball ratings of sens players value.

News flash guys, a players value, no matter what team they play for, is NOT defined by 1 bad season. it is defined by the players overall effectiveness, consistency, ability to affect the game, career totals, in some cases team needs, and Yes, like in Tavares case, term of contract.

One bad season doesn't affect their value what so ever!


 

 

03 Jan 2018 10:41:53
Trade Deadline

Ott - brassard
Pit - matta, 3rd
(This one actually has been circulating)

Ott - Phaneuf
Any cup contending team looking for defence help - anything from a 3rd to future considerations

Ott - smith
Edm / Cal - 2nd 2018
(Also been circulating)

End of Playoffs to NHL Entry Draft

Ott - karlsson, Hoffman
Dal - Benn, klingberg
(Actually rumored that Dallas is after EK)

Ott - klingberg, Matta, batherson, 3rd 2019
Stl - pietrangelo, Thompson

Dal - lindell or faska or janmark, Hoffman
Stl - taresenko

Ott wins draft lottery and picks dahlin

Ott buys out Burrows
MacArthur retires

Free Agency

Ott signs Tavares

Benn Tavares Ryan
Brown Duchene Stone
Formenton Pageau Pyatt
White Thompson Thompson

Pietrangelo Dahlin
Ceci Chabot
Wideman Claeson

Scratches - Chlapic, Borowieski, Oduya.

NoBiasRambo

1.) 03 Jan 2018 12:28:45
This is funny I laughed at the Taresanko trade and even more at the fact he’s not in the lineup.


2.) 03 Jan 2018 14:36:34
Do you actually have 2 Thompson’s on the roaster when this madness ends? Or is that a typo? And I hope the typo isn’t that the Thompson on the wing of the 4th line was supposed to be tarasenko, because he’s MIA haha.


3.) 03 Jan 2018 15:05:51
Lol your not getting Tavares or any of thesses player and your not winning the lottery
Dream on.


4.) 03 Jan 2018 15:51:41
This went from an Ottawa trade post to a random, and terrible, Dallas/ St Louis swap for one of the best players in the league. Like idk where the Dallas/ St Louis deal comes from.

And the Petro deal is bad for St Louis, and if I'm Dalla, I have Benn>Karlsson because of contract, and Kling>Hoffman.


5.) 03 Jan 2018 17:54:51
Ok chill, no one values benn over karlsson even considering his upcoming contract. that's ridiculous. Do you also value Benn over McDavid bcz of his contract too??


6.) 03 Jan 2018 19:06:39
CrazyAttaxk, McDavid has a gurranteed contract. Karlsson has a UFA status that he publically said he's willing to explore. that's what i mean by contract - not really sure where u pulled McDavid from.


7.) 03 Jan 2018 19:24:13
Hahaha. This is fantastic.


8.) 03 Jan 2018 20:37:20
Yeah the Karlsson to mcdavid isn’t what he’s talking about. You know what you’re going to be paying mcdavid for the next 9 years. Karlssons is one more year and then he’s going for big money and not a penny less than he’s worth. Being the best d man in the league, could be 13+ mill. I doubt it, but it could be and someone will probably pay it if he asks.


9.) 03 Jan 2018 21:39:43
Karlsson is also going to start his new 8 year deal when he is 29. And if he gets like $12M. got to ask yourself if you sill want that deal when he is 36/ 37 years old? Is it a gamble to still hope he is worth that much at that age still?
I'm on the fence about that. He could still be a $9M guy at that age, but $11/ 12M? I'm not sure. Good chance he is. Who knows that the cap goes up to the next number of years too. A lot? A little? Lot of unknowns.


10.) 03 Jan 2018 21:13:16
@CrazyA McDavid was already signed to a contract and is under control for another 8 1/ 2 years. Horrible comparison.


11.) 03 Jan 2018 21:23:27
Benn is not even karlsson equal let alone better even with contracts discussed hahaha that's a joke that you even think that.

Ottawa has just as much a shot at signing Tavares as anyone.

Ottawa is currently 3rd last in league meaning it is a lottery team giving it one of the best odds to win it and get dahlin whether you like it or not is irrelevant. Last year teams that got 2 of the top 3 picks were lower in the top 10 respectively, to say ottawa has no chance of getting it shows you don't follow hockey.

And nylander I didn't include taresenko in Ottawa's roster as he would be in Dallas not ottawa after this. try reading.

Unbiasedjim no you read right it's 2 Thompson's, the one acquired from stl and nate Thompson who currently plays 4th line center for the sens. taresenko not included as the trade involving him was with Dallas not ottawa. it's basically a few cap dumps plus a 3 way deal between Dallas st. louis and ottawa.


12.) 03 Jan 2018 21:37:50
Stl adds an offensive touch to defence and upgrades defence depth chart as right now pietrangelo is their only legit star on defence and after this they would have klinberg who may not be as good defencively as pietrangelo but still pretty good and adds a flare to puck movement and they also add matta who has been making a name for himself in pitsberg the last couple years and a possible lindell who is coming into his own in dallas this year and last by slightly
Downgrading 1 major winger to a guy in hoffman who won't hurt them plus a solid prospect in batherson whos stock has risen thanks to world juniors and a 3rd pick next year.

Ottawa makes a complete overhaul that should make them competitive again by dumping useless contracts moving star power for star power that better fits in bouchers system, banking on the draft and giving a star center who is bound to hit free agency a reason to believe they are ready to win now and convincing him to sign with them to be their franchise center with a group of guys around him that can make a difference.

Dallas reunites EK and methot, and brings together the Russian power houses taresenko and radulov to ignite what would be an insane offence.


13.) 03 Jan 2018 21:50:02
How is Petri deal bad for st. Louis? Lol

Klingberg cheaper, gap in defence skills favours Petro just as much as the gap in offence skills favours kling, on top of that they get a solid prospect in batherson who stock is up there after world juniors and a 3rd pick next year coupled with a solid top 4 defenceman in matta who carries far more value than any of st. lous current bottom 5 defenceman lol

This gives st. louis defence depth and future tools without taking much of a hit if one at all.

I get you think highly of Petro and it's understandable why but he's not so amazing that a deal like this couldn't pry him away. klingberg is great and right up there with him and Matta alone is enough to add to make this happen, the other 2 pieces sweeten the deal.

Taresenko deal I just added because seeing him in Dallas would be pretty cool but not necessary lol.


14.) 03 Jan 2018 23:25:59
New name. "AbsolutlyCluelessRambo" or "StunnedRambo.


15.) 04 Jan 2018 02:26:36
Ramboner head let's get something straight

Petroleum >>> Klinger

Edds, parayko, Dunn are all idividually better than matta,

Tarasenko will never be traded for scraps.

This post is just pure ridiculousness, beyond retarded. yes I said retarded.

No further comment needed blues fans say fu and good night lol.


16.) 04 Jan 2018 16:54:49
@NoRambo I don’t think this is plausible at all, but saying sens have as good of shot as any team to land Tavares is dead wrong. A team that refuses to spend to the cap for the last 13 years and who’s owner has publicly said he’s sick of losing money and going to start giving management even less money to spend on player salaries does not have the same chance to land the biggest fish in the UFA market as anyone lol a lot of teams spend to the cap every year and have ownership with a lot deeper pockets. This doesn’t come down to prospect pools and assets. Just pure hard cash and the owners willingness to part with it.


17.) 04 Jan 2018 23:35:08
LOL Ramboner head in your short time here you have succesfully made your self the Number one delusional fan on the site. Congrats.


18.) 05 Jan 2018 10:51:33
In what world is any of those bottom 5 better than matta reading? Get real. Matta >> than all 5 with parayko being the only one with legit argument. and last I checked klingberg is in Norris talks not Petro. while Petro is better in his end by a bit, klinger is better in opposing end but the same difference if not more. I could care less about taresko deal but it's hardly scraps when 2 of the 3 possible and Hoffman are 10 to 15 points less a season than taresenko gets.


19.) 05 Jan 2018 10:52:27
Jim seriously, sens are literally only 5.2 million from cap ceiling now. by shedding 3 to 4 contracts like phaneuf Smith brassard and burrows and having MacArthur retires they actually be saving money by signing Tavares and resigning karlsson. 3 of them make around 4 mil 1 makes 7 and on makes 2 how does that say they don't have a chance? And that's if they keep ryan.


20.) 05 Jan 2018 14:34:37
with out a doubt in the world parayko is better than matta. Joel Edmundson is compairable and I would rather have joels grit. Vince Dunn is looking amazing as a rookie handling big minutes. But i'm not going to debate that with you. Actually Petro is in the norris talks LOL and is by far the better defender. Points don't equal defense. doesn't matter what you say about the tarasenko trade, quantity doesn't equal quality. Nobody in that group has the shot, performance and pure scoring ability that tarasenko has, end of story.


21.) 05 Jan 2018 14:35:25
Like i said earlier Ramboner head you just don't know what yo speak of. Most ridiculous stuff around.


22.) 06 Jan 2018 05:02:57
I agree with redwing, rambonerhead is wayy off.


23.) 06 Jan 2018 07:20:23
Why is Clarke MacArthur going to retire? Sign his papers to screw himself out of millions of dollars to help the sens? Lol he got hurt doing his job for their team, he’s going to collect every penny they agreed to pay him like Marc savard, Chris pronger, Dave Bolland, Nathan Horton and every other guy in that situation did.


 

 

27 Dec 2017 19:19:59
Ari: domi, ari 1st 2018, ari 2nd 2018

Ott: Hoffman, brassard, white

Ottawa has over abundance of centers and prospect centers

Arizona could use a 2nd line center like brassard, Hoffman gives them the scoring they need and they get a blue chip center prospect in white.

Ottawa offloads some cap space so they can sign their other players while receiving a lottery pick (possibly team is dahlin if they are lucky at the lottery) and a tough winger who can also provide some offence in domi (PLUS it's a shot at Toronto getting ties kid lol)

NoBiasRambo

1.) 27 Dec 2017 19:27:24
I don't like it for either team lol.


2.) 27 Dec 2017 20:34:45
With the season Arisona has. no chance you guys get their pick for that
Again well off balance in favor of Ottawa.


3.) 27 Dec 2017 23:03:37
lool . yes please. i would gladly do that. Potentially Dahlen, + domi plus the 32nd pick? hell yes.


4.) 27 Dec 2017 23:10:04
I wouldn't do it for Ottawa's sake too. Hoffman alone can get a first and a second.


5.) 27 Dec 2017 23:10:46
Then you throw domi (3 goals this season) for brassard and White (A level prospect)


6.) 28 Dec 2017 05:17:46
What? Hoffman can't get you Arizona 1st and their 2nd. Dream on. Why on earth would they trade those pieces for two years of Hoffman?


7.) 28 Dec 2017 06:14:13
Yup you do realize Hoffman is a 60 point guy on a team that only has 2 or 3 other legit threats only one of which has been above 70 points in his career right? Hoffman is more an enough to land the 1st. it's not a guarenteed number 1 overall pick just look at last season's draft or the Matthews draft the season before. Hoffman on the other hand IS a guarenteed 1st or 2nd line winger on all teams and in no way is worth any less than a lotto pick so get over yourself with you poor player ratings.

Brassard and white more than cover the 2nd and domi.

Ottawa don't necessarily need white with all the talent they have at center and coming up and brassard is a good 2nd line center whose cap hit could be used to extend karlsson. he also has played with Stephan in the past and could bring back so competitiveness with the 2 over top spot in Phoenix.


8.) 28 Dec 2017 06:25:14
Point of the trade for ottawa is to increase their odds of getting number pick in lottery as it's not a guarenteed and they still have the possible protected pick from Duchene deal that could end up being lotto pick too. having 2 gives them better odds of landig it hoffman is enough to get one whether you agree or not yupp. doing would be more usefull in ottawa while brassard and white would fit better with Arizona.


9.) 28 Dec 2017 08:13:44
No from Arizona. Don't know why'd they'd give up the best chance at the first overall pick for 1 year of Brassard, 2 years of Hoffman and White. It isn't like they are trying to win now. Not to mention they give up a young player in Domi and the earliest second round pick. got to think about the long run. Domi, and whoever the first round pick is should be there 7-10+ years each. Not guaranteed to resign the two Sens players. White is good but not worth giving up a potential franchise player. Also it's weird from Ottawa giving up part of the future to get the future. Makes more sense trading veterans individually.


10.) 28 Dec 2017 14:22:00
Who wants veterans other then teams in a playoff position. You probably would get less as these teams won't want to break their existing chemistry. I kinda like the trade.


11.) 28 Dec 2017 14:23:11
Second line centres aren't worth a top 5 draft pick. Neither is Hoffman. Yotes would be dumb to trade this years 1st rounder.


12.) 28 Dec 2017 14:40:52
Wow. Never ever would Arizona trade their 1st and 2nd this year right now for a 60 point winger who's a UFA after next season. That's delusional.
Maybe would be believable if you picked a middle 1st rounder, playoff bubble team But you went right after the worst team in the league. Not a chance they trade that pick for Hoffman alone.


13.) 28 Dec 2017 14:53:58
I'd rather play my cards for Dahlin than be guarranteed Hoffman. Pretty obvious. If the 1st is lottery protected, then its a fair deal.


14.) 28 Dec 2017 15:23:25
Saying Hoffman can get a 1st and a 2nd isn’t wrong, if it’s coming from a good team trying to compete. That first should be a 20th pick or worse, and the second would be in the 50s. But saying a team as bad as Arizona would give a 1st and 2nd, which could be 1st overall, but will be top 4-5 for sure and another in the 32-36 range for a guy that might make them a bit better today, but still no where near competitive is not happening.


15.) 28 Dec 2017 18:23:24
Flyers they may have the best chance at this point in time sure but the way ottawa has be playing lately I wouldn't be surprised if the dropped below Phoenix by seasons end and like you said "best CHANCE" of getting it as it's not a guarenteed.

Besides that Phoenix has defence they desperately need offence which Hoffman brassard and white would no doubt provide

Ottawa needs defence and toughness deperately which would be taken care of by domi (toughness and can reignite his scoring touch with a change of scenery), and (upping their chances at dahlin)

The 2nd pick might not necessarily even ever make the nhl.

In my opinion this does help both teams long term. worst case scenario for Arizona is if brassard isn't working in their system they just flip him in off season or next season. Hoffman will definitely be solid no doubt and white will be top 6 maybe even top 3 one day. both teams either way need big changes soon.


16.) 28 Dec 2017 20:08:11
SensBiasedRambo.
Change your name bro.


17.) 28 Dec 2017 20:58:34
you guys aren't getting the next Lidstrom dream on Ottawa.


 

 

22 Dec 2017 14:07:44
Here's one for you. ottawa over pays to offload Phaneuf contract so they can have the cap needed to sign their big guns.

Ott
Phaneuf, Hoffman, Ceci, white,

Nyi
Tavares


Ottawa gets its star center and cap space it desperately needs and isles land a solid package for a guy who doesn't seem to want to stay anyway in that the get a top 4 defence pair, a top 6 / top 3 forward, and an elite prospect. sure they take on a huge over payed contract but considering the rest of the pieces the make put great plus ottawa can rest easy knowing they'll have some cap to work with for resigning big names.

Duchene Tavares Ryan
Brown Brassard Stone
Dzingle Pageau Pyatt
Burrows Thompson Didiemenco

Oduya Karlsson
Chabot Wideman
Claeson Borvievski Harpur.

NoBiasRambo

1.) 22 Dec 2017 17:08:11
Not a chance.
And a lot of Phaneufs contract is still with Toronto i'm pretty sure.


2.) 22 Dec 2017 17:43:03
Not at chance? Lmfao there's more than a chance dude. ottawa is having a fire sale because of Dorian and Phaneuf would be at the top of the list to be moved and Hoffman's name has come up most likely the 2 will be a package.

Meanwhile Tavares still won't sign in New York and they will want to remain competitive and this kind of deal allows them to do so and get a big piece for the future at the same time in white.

So yeah definitely a chance.


3.) 22 Dec 2017 17:45:12
i wouldn't give up ceci.


4.) 22 Dec 2017 18:48:16
Why does islanders do that tho? They barely get better imo you’re losing a star franchise player.


5.) 22 Dec 2017 19:56:49
The islanders would take hoffman, ceci, white and a first or whatever to take phaneuf, i get that. But why the hell would NYI throw in tavares the other way? Lol not a chance.
Also phaneuf has a NMC and already refused to waive it for vegas, so why bother with him in trade rumors.


6.) 22 Dec 2017 21:20:30
Karlson
Add from here.


7.) 22 Dec 2017 22:16:09
Ya. Don’t see it happening but for thunderTurkey, sens pay all of phaneuf. Leafs never retained anything on him, they just took back bad contracts in michalek, greening and Cowan on shorter term which have all expired now.


8.) 23 Dec 2017 01:30:17
The leafs retained zero of dions contract in the trade. Good effort though! Ottawa is stuck with that plug and will eventually have to buy him out. Ottawa is such a sad market, your fans don’t show and your owner is cheap. Bye bye karlson!


9.) 23 Dec 2017 02:23:26
Not a chance Tavares would resign with Ottawa if they're starting a rebuild, really bad actually for both teams.


10.) 23 Dec 2017 15:27:41
Between starting a rebuild and Melnyk, Tavares will not be going there. They already have a superstar, who may be the 3rd best player in the league, a top 5-6 for sure, that the owner is going to low ball and lose as it is. You think he’s going to lose good cheap players to bring in someone else’s superstar and pay him? No way. Better hang on to phaneuf, May be their best Dman in a year lol.


11.) 23 Dec 2017 19:52:37
Facelift39 the isles would have to throw Tavares the other way when they are getting a top 4 experienced dman though over payed in Phaneuf, a top 4 young dman with loads of potential that is still untapped in Ceci, an elite level young prospect center in white, and a top 6 / top 3 winger at prime age in Hoffman.

You don't get a package like that for an average player. that's the type of package that lands you an elite player like tavares.

And unbiasedjim if ottawa landed Tavares like this they wouldn't need a total rebuild just wait till the trade deadline to pull it off.

Then trade brassard, burrows, and dzingle, for the highest possible draft picks you can get for them which brassard could fetch a 1st from a bubble team that could turn top 10 if the other team struggles after the deal, burrows could get a 2nd from a contendor like the pens, and dzingle could fetch a low 1st/ high 2nd, if ottawa finishes in the lottery picks they protect the pick from the Duchene deal and use it on another future asset. rebuild complete and cap space freed up to sign the likes of karlsson and Tavares,


 

 

17 Dec 2017 21:32:51
If karlsson were to have to be traded.

Ott:
Karlsson, Hoffman, brassard

Stl:
Pietrangelo, taresenko, sobotka

Then.

Ott:
Ryan, Paul

Col:
Landeskog


Landeskog Duchene taresenko
Smith Brown Stone
Sobotka pageau pyatt
Burrows Thompson dzingle

Chabot pietrangelo
Phaneuf Ceci
Any combo of
Wideman claeson borvievski harpur oduya

Stl downgrade taresenko to upgrade both pietrangelo and sobotka

Lol and put swap slightly over paid stars and ottawa sweetened the deal by adding Paul to get landeskog as he has had chemistry with Duchene in the past.

NoBiasRambo

1.) 17 Dec 2017 23:29:14
To me Pietrangelo is the better and younger defence man Stl say son.


2.) 18 Dec 2017 00:03:56
Huge no from blues petro and tarasenko make together just a little more than what karlson will command in another year. Petro is signed at 6.5 for next 3 years and 5 years of tarasenko for 7.5.

No reason blues do this.


3.) 18 Dec 2017 00:10:24
I don't think STL even considers that.


4.) 18 Dec 2017 00:23:21
No from St. Louis.


5.) 18 Dec 2017 01:26:05
To the guy who said pietrangelo was better, where do you buy your drugs from?
Only 2 players in the world can be considered better than karlsson and their names are Connor mcdavid and Sidney Crosby. sorry to burst your bubble buddy.

The comment about cap hits has a solid argument but think of it this way, karlsson contract for pietrangelo contract both after karlsson resign = roughly 12.5 to 13 million vs 6.5 million. now think what jay boumeester will be leaving on the table when his contract is up, isn't his over played deal worth like 6.85 million. use the extra there to sign karlsson. then they save roughly 2.4 million on the Hoffman taresenko exchange but still get a top line winger at a cheaper rate. not quite sure what sobotka makes so I can't really compare that but brassard is still an upgrade on him.

Yup, any team that doesn't consider trading for karlsson if he were available should be in search of new management team. no way stl don't consider this. lol.


6.) 18 Dec 2017 03:27:23
There is a lot to consider when trading for a guy like Karlsson. yes. the money and term. however, he also changes he whole dynamic of your team. even as a Dman, he is one of the most talented offensive players in the game., so a team as a whole has to change somewhat to cater to the talent of a player like Karlsson. In the casè of the Blues. they have a really good thing going, and I don't think they need to change anything in the core or the style they play.


7.) 18 Dec 2017 03:32:30
NoBiasRambo you got to be one of the most bias here. Karlsson has the edge on best D in league convo but its not that clear cut. Will every team consider trading for him? Of course not. In fact more probably won't because they aren't planning to compete, don't wanna give up that much, or can't afford him than will. And if he does go the move has to make the acquiring team better. This doesn't make St Louis better difference between Tarasenko and Hoffman is bigger than Karlsson and Pietrangelo. Also Ryan has low to negative value with that contract adding Paul doesn't get you Landy.


8.) 18 Dec 2017 05:26:19
Rambo, come back to reality. Petro, is a superior dman on the defense side. Karlsson, is the superior offensive player. He is also like a -20 right now where petro is +12. As far as 13mil that's a huge no. They would have to gut their team they can't afford that. They have several people needing raises soon. Regardless of jbo''s contract coming off. Also tarasenko is amazing no way Hoffman holds a candle to him. This is an instant no go. You picked two of the four most important players on the blues and expect them for karlsson a 2nd liner and third liner lol your funny guy.


9.) 18 Dec 2017 05:30:16
Also Rambo

Petros contract 3 years 6.5 with his play is better than the difference in between karlsson and Petros offensive game. Like I said petro is better on defence side hardly gets hurt and isn't going to command 12 13 mil. Plus on top of all of that what if he decides he doesn't want to sign like shattenkirk. So do us all a favor and think about all the variables involved before coming here and making a bad prop.


10.) 18 Dec 2017 07:31:06
Very biased rambo


11.) 18 Dec 2017 13:39:54
Blues would say no. As said above, Karlsson is great, but so is Pietrangelo. Both should be in anyone’s top 6-7 D in the league if they have watched them play. And Hoffman is a good winger, but tarasenko is one of the best in the world. Gap there is huge. Plus Sosa is dead on with the team dynamic. Blues are built around tarasenko and Pietrangelo and their entire game runs through those 2 guys, seems to be working. Those guys are not replaceable parts in that machine. Karlsson changes all that.


12.) 18 Dec 2017 17:36:50
Jbs32 lady and Ryan have roughly equal value ryan may be coming off his worst regular season yet but in case you forgot landeskog is also coming off his worst season yet on an over payed contract as well. where does anyone get off saying landy worth that much more than ryan? And someone really needs to explain how outside an over payed contract and 1 bad season Ryan who is a 50 point guy on a regular basis or above 0.6points per game could possibly carry a negative value?


13.) 18 Dec 2017 17:44:50
While karlsson is have a bad season defensively you do realise he is coming off a crazy surgery that has affected his game so far right? And before this season karlsson defencive game is so much better than anyone gave him credit for right? Sure his give away count was high but that's a broken stat anyway as anything from a failed dump and chase, to a failed scrum in the corners, to a penalty kill clear attempt could be considered a giveaway on the scoreboard. his blocked shots, +/ -, takeaways, etc were all considered top 10 to top 5 in the league. saying there is that big of a gave between their defensive games just shows how ignorant you are to the game and specifically sens players in general.


14.) 18 Dec 2017 18:02:59
And as for Hoffman being a 2nd liner. go to the hospital and get them to see what's wrong with your head. the guy has a regular 0.71+ point per game average on a team with sub par offence. he's a 1st ling winger anywhere in the league guarenteed and sure there's a 0.2 ppg average difference between them but that's where the difference beween sobotka and brassard comes in and makes up for it.

The only other thing stated that makes any sense as to why this might not be good for stl is having to change style a bit to incorporate karlsson. but truth be told the positives out weigh the negatives long term. as their defense upgrades and sure they lose taresenko but they add depth to top 6 and still get a pure goal scorer with an insane set of hands that can bury it from anywhere. plus the 2 guys coming already have chemistry with karlsson on top of that so adjustment won't be tough for either of them. karlsson feeding Schwartz and schenn would be insane.


15.) 18 Dec 2017 18:13:41
I never at all said they wouldn't consider trading for Karlsson. I said they wouldn't consider this deal. They wouldn't consider giving up Petro AND Terasenko in the deal. Of course they would consider trading for Karlsson. But once Ottawa asks for Petro and Senko, they stop considering, that deal. You misunderstood what I said they wouldn't consider.


16.) 18 Dec 2017 23:09:54
Lol too funny!


17.) 18 Dec 2017 23:18:09
Rambo, its very clear people agree with me if Karlsoon is a 10 petro is a 9.5 not and guess what 3 years of 6.5 worth more than 1 year of that and then 13 mil. Also petri isn't injury prone not that karlesson is but he is. And after this last surgery he looks awful on defence. Petro is better defender. Blues get plenty off offence from swartz schenn terrasenko. Your trade offer us bad bro just except it.


18.) 19 Dec 2017 05:37:35
Its true redwing, he looks like a 29 year old playing with a bummed wheel. the other 30 teams aren't completely oblivious to that.


19.) 23 Dec 2017 00:59:00
I think that the main idea is that if the Sens trade EK65 it will take a team's (not a specific team) 1 of top 3 Forward + 1 of top 2 Dman or top goalie + 1st 2018 or 2019. All the sports stations are saying that EK65 is 1 of the top 5 players in the world so I guess a lot of teams will be making offers or at least look into it.

The Sens should rest EK65 until he gets better. He won't be injured forever . However the trade offer is bad. I wouldn't trade with STL. I would trade him to a team that wants him.


 

 

 

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24 Dec 2017 18:54:34
Ott: Phaneuf
Det: 3rd round pick

Ott: Hoffman
Edm or buf: 1st round pick

Ott: brassard, Paul, dzingle
Van: 1st and 3rd round picks

Ott: burrows
Ana or Njd: 2nd round pick

Ottawa then either wins the draft lottery and gets 2 more top picks with the number 1 or loses lottery but trades up to get it anyway with the extra picks they'll have then goes on to draft rasmus dahlin giving them not 1 but 2 of the best defence prospects in the game in chabot and dahlin to learn from the number 1 guy EK who thanks to the cap dumps ottawa should have no problem resigning.

Then they call up the likes of white, brown, formenton, and chlapic to replace the pieces traded.

NoBiasRambo

1.) 24 Dec 2017 19:30:04
NOBODYYYYYYY wants that Lhaneuf contract, and Detroit has enough bad contracts as is, do they want another? Nope.

Edmonton may do that deal, depending on how they feel about their first, however, Buffalo slaps you in the face. Buffalos forst is top5 forsure - you ain't getting one of Dahlin, Zadina, Svech, Boq or Veleno for Hoff.

Hahahahahahahhahahahahaha. You think Vancouver wants an aging second line centre? For their 1st which is, like Buffalo, going to be top5 basically guarranteed barring a huge unlikely playoff push? And DZingel is nothing, he's like worth a 3rd, and Paul is literally worthless, he hasn't played at all, maybe worth a 6th. You ain't getting a top 5 pick for a second line centre (who, by the way, Vancouver has some of those, think Horvat, Sedin, Granlund, Sutter, etc) and two throwins.

And Burrows will never get a second. he's fourth line value, will maybe get a 4th ish. Y'all were crazy to give up Dahlen for him.


2.) 24 Dec 2017 19:33:10
Det, Buf, Van, Anh, Nj all say no.
Edm 1dt for Hoffman is the only believable fit here.


3.) 25 Dec 2017 04:51:56
Not a clue why this is showing up here instead of where I actually posted it but whatever.

Phaneuf is still a top 4 defenceman whether anyone likes it or not. Yes he has a bad contract but a team like Detroit who no longer has datsyuk contract on the books can more than afford it for the next few years and to get him for a 3rd is more than fair both ways so get over yourselves with the dumb comments that he's unreadable due to his contract. Everyone is tradable no matter the contract, and he was traded twice already no reason he can't be traded again.

Burrows probably could fetch a low 2nd or high third, teams in contention like players like burrows who fight to get in the little dirty areas and tend to over pay for them a lot just look at trade history.


Hoffman one actually is in talks for sure with Edmonton but no reason why buffalo wouldn't get in on that action seeing as how they need a goal scorer like Hoffman next to eichel and considering it was Tim Murray who actually drafted Hoffman when he worked in ottawa and has a connection to the guy.

And brassard is far from aging he's in his prime, why is it so hard to believe that he a young dzingle who keeps getting a better and a sought after big body prospect like Paul could fetch that sort of return? Horvat is really the only one on canucks current roster who could challenge brassard for top center there I mean the sedins are aging faster than a shriveled up prune and not what they used to be.


4.) 25 Dec 2017 06:46:29
Brassard is 30 that's end of prime. Paul is a bust he's got about the same value as Adam Erne but Erne scores more. Dzingle isn't an up and comer he's at a players typical peak age. Could get a bit better but will never be top 6. Adding also doesn't make much sense for VAN or BUF or DET for that matter. Phaneuf contract makes it hard to move its not like Sens gave up anything for him. Its not hard to see why this are unbelievable looking at them from not OTT perspective for like 5 seconds.


5.) 25 Dec 2017 16:56:16
Paul, Dzingel, Burrows, Phaneuf suck. Get over it. Combined, they'd get a second. And even that's a maybe. Brassard ain't getting a top 5-10 pick buddy. Would you give up your first for Brandon Sutter? Didn't think so. And Hoff to Buffalo isn't happening, for a first especially.


6.) 25 Dec 2017 19:07:23
A low 2nd for burrows and a 3rd for Phaneuf can definitely happen it not unbelievable.

As for brassard deal a pick in the top 5 ok ottawa may have to add but anything 6 and up it's doable with the pieces involved and Vancouver is definitely not a shoe in for bottom 5 so they could take a risk early while the season is still salvageable thinking a trade could turn them around and the trade could look good for either team depending how it goes at seasons end.

Also brassard is 29 not 30 but even still 30 is far from end of peak which the actually age for that is closer to 33 or 34. and comparing Brandon Sutter to Derrick brassard is hardly a fair comparison as sitter is a career 3rd line center while brassard has always been number 1 or 2 line center and puts up twice th point totals. let alone adding a guy like Paul who could fit in nicely on any teams 3rd line just not Ottawa's as they have an over abundance of young and talented kids, and dzingle who can slip in to most teams top six and is one of the fastest skaters in the world with pretty good point totals.

So again not sure how any of these are hard to believe?


7.) 25 Dec 2017 22:47:23
Okay, listen to this:

Komarov for 2nd from NJ/ ANH

Martin and Lupul and 6th for 3rd from DET.

JVR and 3rd for Buffalos 1st.

Rychel, Bozak and Kapanen for Vancouvers 1st.


See how unrealistic that is?


8.) 26 Dec 2017 00:02:51
Brassard was born Sept 1987. he's 30. And 30 is end of peak especially for not elite players. Even by your own admission he's got a couple years left before he starts getting worse. he's not worth a lottery pick. Burrows is old and not that good not worth anyones second. OTT is far from the league leader in young talented forwards Paul has 7 points 1 goal in 17 AHL games that's not some great 3rd line NHLer. I don't know what's so hard to understand here.


9.) 26 Dec 2017 04:45:26
If that is so jbs32 then how do you explain Thornton Marleau kopitar or my PERSONAL favourite in this category jagr. peak is 33 to 34 NOT 30


Burrows is the type of player who grinds it out a fights to get the puck out of the dirty areas so for a team going for a cup run he is definitely worth a 2nd.


Phaneuf is not only a top 4 defenceman but a big body presence on the power play and brings leadership, experience and can finish so a 3rd would definitely be worth giving up for a team that could afford that contract.


10.) 26 Dec 2017 04:55:27
Kpmorpv for a late second - yes I could see that

Jvr and a 3rd for buffalos 1st - also a yes possibility

Lupul a 3rd and and Martin for set 3rd - is a hell no and is not really a fair comparison, I'm assuming you're using this as a counter to Phaneuf deal which if so makes no sense as while both have bad contracts at least Phaneuf plays while lupus just eats cap and is always injured so get real

Rychel kapanen and bozak for Vancouver's 1st - is a yes as well for van but don't think tor willing to move that much for it.


11.) 26 Dec 2017 18:05:53
Just look back to the last fore sale ottawa had if you disagree with any of this.

Heatley landed a 1st cheechoo and michalek

Kelly landed a 2nd (burrows does same things kelly did well minus the faceffs)

Fisher got a 1st (brassard provides more offense but defense and faceoffs are bout same)

Kovalev got a 1st (Phaneuf is more consistent and reliable plus his position is more important with his contract being his only bad side)

And didn't jarco ruutu land them a 2nd as well? That right there should tell you all you need to know.

Just because a handful of you guys on here under value sens players doesn't mean everyone else does too or even that the league itself does lol.


12.) 26 Dec 2017 21:53:27
If those players are so amazing then keep them.

But you're so far off on their value, as mentioned a lot above, It's crazy.


13.) 27 Dec 2017 01:26:00
I disagree on 3 out of the 5. heatley didn't bring back a first, he actually brought back a 2nd with michalek and cheech. Kovalev didn't bring back a first, that one was a conditional 6th. And ruutu didn't bring in a 2nd, he was traded for a 6th (max mccormick)


14.) 27 Dec 2017 15:41:23
If they didn't bring back 1sts then how did ottawa end up with 3 or 4 1st rounders that year?
Matt peumple, robin lehner, and stepan noesen that I know of.
All 3 were 1st round picks that's a guarantee. and all were drafted by the sens. maybe you should look back on your trade history facelift39. actually one came from vermette trade along with Pascal leclair who at the time had a lot of value himself and it was a high pick that got the sens leaner. pretty sure the the 2nd one was from the Fisher deal or the kovalev deal, I'm thinking kovalev deal as it was the 28th pick that drafted peumple so it would've had to have come from a team that made the final 2 that year which were pens and wings around that time.

Yup how am I far off at all? You might want to think before you speak. that's one of the dumbest comments I've ever seen. if I'm off in value I'd love to see your biased value charts so I can cry myself to sleep tonight laughing at how 1 sided against ottawa they are lol.


15.) 27 Dec 2017 19:36:45
Rambo, Ottawa is one of my favorite teams to watch. My parents are from Ottawa and all my relatives still live there.
But you overvalue Sens players like crazy.
You even said Edm has no winger like Burrows who gets into the corners. You forget they have Lucic, Maroon, Drake, Jujhar, Kassian? They are get in the corners and aren't afraid to battle with anyone.
I really like a lot of the Sens players, But you over value them here like crazy. The teams you are trying to give them away to in this post all have no interest in those players. They just aren't good fits. Not saying they aren't good players. They just aren't good fits to those teams especially for what you want back, over valued them for the return you want. Two things are wrong. The fit, and the value.


16.) 27 Dec 2017 22:22:29
Lehner was a 2nd round pick bud, and i repeat heatley was traded (with a 5th) for cheech, michalek and 2nd (kent simpson) kovalev was traded to pens for conditional 6th (ryan dzingel) and ruutu was traded for a 6th (max mccormick) as per www. nhltradetracker. com
Do your own research man, every post YOU put on here is by far the dumbest thing I've ever read. you're delusional and talk out of your crapper.


 

 

24 Dec 2017 01:19:04
Long shot here but check these out for an ottawa rebuild.

Ott
Brassard, Paul, dzingle

Ari
Ariizonas 1st round pick

Then

Ott
Hoffman

Edm
Edmonton 1st round pick

Then

Ott
Phaneuf

Cal
Calgary 3rd round pick

Then

Ott
Burrows

Lak
Kings 2nd round pick

Then

Ottawa continues to lose leaving their 1st pick from Duchene deal with ottawa instead as it is top 10 protected

If they're lucky 1 of the other 2 teams or maybe both that the receive the high picks from can do just as bad leaving it all but a sure thing that ottawa gets number one pick or gives them the access picks they need to trade up for the number 1 pick

Ottawa then drafts rasmus dahlin with top pick and what ever else they can with what ever picks they have left giving them the best young defence core in the league with the best 2 defence prospects out there in Chabot and dahlin with the top dog himself karlsson to learn from and topping it off with a solid bottom 3 in Ceci wideman and claeson and heart guy borvievski as the extra.

Then just call up white chlapic brown and formenton to replace the missing guys who were traded.

Chabot Dahlin and karlsson together would be unreal when they get going.

NoBiasRambo

1.) 24 Dec 2017 05:26:47
Holy, Arizona laughs so hard. Why would they give you their 1st for that. Especially if as you say it could
Be Dahlin.


2.) 26 Dec 2017 15:42:44
Why would calgary trade for phaneuf when they already have a blueline consisting of giordano, hamilton, brodie, hamonic and others? Lol its like this guy just picks teams out of a hat. Also you're dreaming if you think anyone is giving up anything for burrows, its not 2011.


 

 

 

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13 Jan 2018 18:24:10
It's beyond me where you guys get your value ratings from.

Its like when it comes to the ottawa players only, you base their value solely on the players worst career seasons, ignoring every other thing it should be based on thus resulting in you low ball ratings of sens players value.

News flash guys, a players value, no matter what team they play for, is NOT defined by 1 bad season. it is defined by the players overall effectiveness, consistency, ability to affect the game, career totals, in some cases team needs, and Yes, like in Tavares case, term of contract.

One bad season doesn't affect their value what so ever!

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12 Jan 2018 22:00:49
I never said Tavares is over rated he's elite no doubt that's not in question when it comes to his trade value. what is in question is his unsigned contract status which WILL bring down his value I don't care how elite a player he is.


Think of it from team management perspective. you offer your best player 3 different contract extensions with your club all of which he turns down without a sencond thought the biggest of which was 12.35 million per season, yes this was the latest offer, do you

A-keep him anyway and pray he changes his mind or let him walk away for nothing in free agency

Or

B-take an offer such as this one that keeps your team competitive now as well as gives you a big piece for the future

Most if not all gems will go with option b

Look at spezza deal when he was moved to Dallas. still in his prime and all he got was chaison a pick and paul and he was a point a game guy at the time too and he had a term contract.

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12 Jan 2018 21:43:26
Ottawa says thanks but no thanks.

And Ceci is far from free get real hoff68 he was almost traded straight up for hall when he was in edmonton and is worth more now as he's gotten better since then. is hall worth nothing now too? DIDN'T THINK SO! STOP CALLING YOURSELF A FAN MR. BAND WAGONER.

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10 Jan 2018 17:58:06
Like for instance I remember someone a while back saying Ceci wasn't worth a high 2nd round pick let alone a 1st, yet reality seemed to agreed with me in that a trade of Ceci straight up for Drouin was rejected by sens, and if not for ownership approved being needed first their was a deal made with Edmonton that would have seen Taylor hall for Ceci straight up.

Call me crazy but proposals of Ceci for a 1st look like a low ball offer compared to these 2 deals don't they? And Ceci has definitely gotten better since then espessially this season so his value has to have gone up or at the very least no way it's gone down.

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10 Jan 2018 17:48:54
I never said brassard or Smith were elite players topshelfslappers, I said they were consistent at their level which is a difference.

There is absolutely no way newly York gets Top dollar for a guy who remains unsigned, espessially one at Tavares level. no team will give more than that for him unless he's fully signed to a new contract, why would they take that chance of giving an all star package for a chance he signs with them as if he walks, they just gutted their team for nothing.

As for Smith and white, you're undervaluing white as he is for sure an elite prospect, why do you think Colorado was pursuing him and Chabot so heavily in Duchene garbage?
And Smith has been and still is one of the sens most sought after trade chips because he's a big body physical guy who can play any role on any line you need him to.
If you watch tsn and any of the sports shows let alone the game itself you'd already know this.

I'm not over valuing anyone I'm simply giving their actual value rather than the underrated values that seem to be perceived by people like you who think they know something but in reality know nothing.

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