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05 May 2018 02:45:38
Ok this trade needs to happen

Mon : alzner, price, 7th

Tor : Matthews, mariner, nylander, Kadri, Reilly, marleau, jvr, bozak, 1st in 2018, 1st in 2019, 1st in 2020

Drouin Galchenyuk Gallagher
Jvr bozak pacioretty
Marleau Kadri Byron
Shaw nylander marner
Scratch Matthews

Weber petry
Benn julssen


1.) 05 May 2018 03:09:39
This probably seemed a lot funnier you writing it than anybody reading it.

2.) 05 May 2018 03:14:16
when you look in a mirror do you see something with long ears.

3.) 05 May 2018 04:07:48
Seems like a latteral move for Montreal. Who’s going to play in net? Mathews?

4.) 05 May 2018 04:50:36
like it take Gardiner too while your at it.

5.) 05 May 2018 05:20:22
Rambone trying to be funny. We're laughing at you, not with you.

6.) 05 May 2018 06:13:06
And. this guy is a clown.

7.) 05 May 2018 06:43:16
consider my knee slapped.

8.) 05 May 2018 07:00:46
JVR and Bozak are UFAs. Montreal could simply just sign them. Because of that this trade is unrealistic.

9.) 05 May 2018 22:30:57
What do you mean guys? I just put the value on them that you would? I mean it's well known how your value bars work lol if this type of deal is ok for ottawa why not here too? I mean it does make sense doesn't it yup? Haha.

10.) 05 May 2018 23:47:50
you'd be lucky to get matthews alone for that offer. not even funny just stupid.



30 Apr 2018 02:32:24
So clearly the draft didn't go quite as planned and doubtfull buffalo trades the number 1 but this might be a possibility as carolina is only a couple pieces from being competitive.

Car : car 1st in 2018, and a 3rd in 2018

Ott : Hoffman, gaborik, batherson, and pit 1st 2018

Carolina gets the scoring winger they desperately need in Hoffman plus a late 1st and a highly touted prospect in batherson who's coming off a huge world junior performance and because it's a bit of an over payment on ottawa side seeing as it's number 2 not number 1 carolina also takes gaborik contract as well as they are a team that can afford them both.

Ottawa then resigns EK and drafts svechnikov to replace Hoffman at number 2 and either ktechuck Or zadina at number 4 then makes a huge push to sign free agent Tavares.

Svechnikov Tavares stone
Tkechuck Duchene Ryan
Formenton pageau dzingle
Brown white chlapic

karlsson Chabot
Wideman claeson
Ceci borowieski

Welcome back to the playoffs ottawa.


1.) 30 Apr 2018 05:16:00
Hahahahahahahaha bruh.

2.) 30 Apr 2018 05:53:01
Ya Carolina laughs at you. A Svechnikov or Zadina is just what they need. They are projected to be top line possibly elite wingers.
You are very Sens biased it's crazy.

3.) 30 Apr 2018 12:55:07
Svechnikov is just at another level compared to Zadina. No way they take the last one.

4.) 30 Apr 2018 20:51:25
Oh and projections on anyone outside dahlin were never top line elite. they said all along this is a weak draft class and that dahlin was miles ahead of everyone else. top 6 and top 4 respectively via position sure I can see that. wait what's Hoffman again? Oh yeah top 6 / top 3. And what's batherson projected after all the hype? Oh yeah top 6 I think my point is proven. this trade wasn't for dahlin and thus is more than fair on both sides.

5.) 01 May 2018 00:52:24
All I've heard is that this is a really good deep draft class. The opposite of weak.
Oh, no this just heavily favours the Sens. That's why you're making the deal and that's why you put Svechnikov on the number one line right away.

6.) 01 May 2018 01:45:46
3 things in life are certain.



And BiasedRambo's trade proposals heavily favoring Ottawa.

Canes laugh, hang up, then call you back to laugh some more.

7.) 01 May 2018 04:03:33
I put him on 1st line because he's a goal scorer. I could also swap him with ktchuck or white or brown or dzingle. it's called depth. the trade basically gets us a much younger Hoffman who can grow with a young team by adding a younger piece a late pick and using it all to dump a dirty contract.

AND not once this year did they say this was a deep class in fact all year they've been saying this is a very weak class after dahlin.

I'm not saying the next 3 or 4 aren't good but they aren't on a level you seem to think they are. svech may, and I do mean May, get a tad be better than Hoffman is now. it all depends on who gets him. If he plays with a top star Mayne he het better than that but with mid level like guys it's doubtfull.

8.) 01 May 2018 19:22:44

Explain again how this totally favours ottawa? Please I need a laugh lol. oh telling why it's one sided or not is not you guys strong suit. all you do is talk down or troll my posts with no backing for your arguments.

Here's what they call backing

Svechnikov projections = 50 to 60 point guy

Hoffman the last 4 to 5 years = 50 to 60 point guy in his prime

Svechnikov = young top end prospect

Batherson = young top end prospect

Add the 1st from pit and this trade is clearly in Carolinas favour so to try even it out ottawa dumps gaborik contract too. get off your high horse and stop undervaluing ottawa players and prospects.

Unless this is all a very long thought out troll on my proposals you guys aren't very smart when it comes to trade values. If it is a troll you got me good.



31 Mar 2018 23:52:49
Ok so giving the change in the nhl leaderboards recently with buffalo being bottom team and ottawa and Arizona being tied, and the fact arizona has a much easier final 4 to 5 games than ottawa does here's something to ponder.

Arizona : Arizona 2018 1st

Ottawa : Pittsburgh 2018 1st, Ceci, Ryan, and batherson


Ottawa : gaborik

Vegas : Vegas 2018 6th

Ottawa ups their chances in lottery significantly to land dahlin or at least a couple guys who can help now.

Arizona plays it safe as if they get the 3rd best odds they are more likely to draft 5th than anything else. So the trade it for a top 6 (50 to 60 point getter) in Ryan, a solid young top 4 defenceman in Ceci, a proven splint prospect in batherson who broke out big in world juniors and junior league, plus they still get a 1st I'll be it later with pens pick.

Then. ottawa uses all the cap they saved not only to resign stone and karlsson but also bring in Tavares as well.

Current available cap space in ottawa is roughly 11 million and these moves would free up 14 million more or 19 million if MacArthur retires. That's roughly 25 to 30 million to work with which is more than enough and will leave them with roughly 5 to 7 million to spare after all 3 have been signed making melnic happy too.


1.) 01 Apr 2018 00:54:15
Omg when will you learn?
You don’t give a damn rubbish about what other teams needs
I’ll make it simple
Wanna trade your 1st for Juulsen Lehkonen Poehling plus a 2d

You need to put your self in the other teams shoes
If you post nonsense like this again then you will nevertheless learn.

2.) 01 Apr 2018 01:26:02
Wow. Dream on. These are some of the worst Ottawa biased you've posted. And that's a crazy statement.

3.) 01 Apr 2018 03:01:31

That pick is going to be top 5, 150%. that's one of Rasmus Dahlin, Andrei Svechnikov, FIlip Zadina, Adam Boqvist and Brady Tkachuk.

Whats going to Arizona in your deal? let's see:

Pittsburghs First-
Considering Pittsburghs playoff history, that pick is more than likely going to be low twenties. If I was to make a guess, I don't think they threepeat, but I think that pick is like 28th or something. Whos there at that pick? K'Andre Miller? Akil Thomas? that's a way step down from 3rd Overall.

Bobby Ryan-
A cap dump. Get it through your head. he's not a 50-60 point guy. If he was, and wasn't a cap dump, then why would Ottawa be desperately trying to package off his salary with Karlsson in order for suitors to be able to afford Karlsson in terms of a trade package, as adding Ryan to a Karlsson only lowers Karlsson's value. Ryan is a cap dump. Please understand that and stop being biased.

Cody Ceci -
A mediocre at best dman, probably a #4 at best. Kinda similar to Nathan Beaulieu, and I've seen lots of Sens fans want his head. So I don't think he'd bring much more to the table than a 2nd, and even that would be neglected by Ryans negative value.

Drake Batherson -
A good prospect, who probably projects as a 3rd liner with upside, but is also very unknown and unproven. Certainly not enough to move up from the late rounds of the 1st to the top 5.

Basically, if Arizona proposed:
Alex Goligoski (Bobby Ryan: but a bit less bloated of a contract) + Richard Panik (Cody Ceci, except as a forward) + Ryan MacInnis (scorer at the junior level, similar to Batherson) + ARZ 2nd Round Pick (high second) for Ottawas 1st Round Pick in 2017.

Does this make any sense for Ottawa? Of course not. Similarly, the original trade is terrible for Arizona.

4.) 01 Apr 2018 12:17:01
Ok you seriously don't follow the sport do you TopShelfSlappers? If you did you'd realise the statements you made on the players involved in this proposal are completely absurd and absolutely ridiculous.

1st - yes that will be a late pick but it's still a 1st

Bobby Ryan - outside of last season dude to health issues and somewhat this season though not as bad because he's been shifted from line to line more times than we can count, he has been and will continue to be a 50 to 60 point guy, anyone with half a brain and has 2 eyes that aren't blind can go themselves to check his career stats and will see that I am right and you are wrong, take those negative value comment and put em where the sun don't shine.

Cody Ceci - is a top 3 young defenceman who still has time to improve and is valued by other teams whether you like it or not he's worth at least a mid to late 1st himself just ask Edmonton who was ready to give hall for him if not for the need of MELNICK approval.

Drake batherson - NOT PROVEN? You can't be serious? One of world junior team Canada's leading scorers and a leading scorer in his current league. How is that not proven?

Goligoski has been a failure everywhere he's been and in no way is comparable to Ryan outside of a bad contract.

Of course this makes sence for both teams ottawa dumps in needed cap to sign players they want to keep and make an attempt on a major free agent signing in Tavares while gaining more odds to land dahlin and another major draftees who can help now at a faction of the cost sent away.

Arizona adds scoring in ryan, youth and potential in batherson and the pits 1st, and a guy who can finally play number 2 on that team to oel.
Gives up the 3rd which is the most likely to get bumped to 5th or 6th as 5th is best odds due to how lottery is run.

Arizona and Vegas have the cap for these kind've contracts as well making it mot out of the realm of possibility.

Just because you or a lot of other "fans" don't like Ryan or other sens players for whatever reason don't mean you're right about them or their value!

5.) 01 Apr 2018 14:26:35
Bobby Ryan point total:
25 last season in 62 games.
33 this season in, I believe, 58 games.

Neither of those are at all close to a 50 point pace buddy. And yes he has gotten 50 points before in his career, well, Daniel and Henrik Sedin have gotten 100 before, Lupuls been PPG, Milan Michalek was solid, Dion Phaneuf was thought of for a Norris, Milan Lucic was a 60 point guy and Brandon Dubinsky was a solid shutdown 50 point centre. Everyone falls off buddy. Ryan has too. Get it through your head. He has negative value. he's never going to be a 50 point guy again, and never going to be a solid player again. And he is injury prone as well, which is another huge downside tp trading for him. And he has a 7.25 cap for what, the next, I think 4 seasons? Its ridiculous you think he has value, and then to call me out on not watching hockey because apperantky you know all.

Ceci - he may have been worth a 1st at so, e time but remember, that is the GM that traded Seguin, Hall, Boychuk and Eberle for pennys on the dollar. Even if he was worth a 1st before, he isn't worth it anymore. Its been two years and he's stagnated in growth. Certainly not worth a 1st. Maybe a mid second as i said, but that therefore counteracts bobby ryans cap dump.

Bathersom - yes. He is unproven, the WJC's don't mean s*** unless the playee actually turns into something. Look at Nic Petan and Curtis Lazar, they were WJC heros, now they're fighting for their lives as bottom 6 players. Also, he's nowhere near the top of his league in points, he's over PPG, but he's barely played 30 games this year. Get your facts straight.

And tbh, considering contract, i'd rather Goligoski than Ryan. lol.

6.) 01 Apr 2018 14:28:27
And buddy, Cody Ceci wouldn't even by number 2 on Zona, lol. OEL, Hjalmarsson, Jacob Chychurn and i'd argue Goligoski are better than Ceci. Lol.

7.) 01 Apr 2018 16:02:02
Biased Ramblo back with another window licking lopsided trade proposal.

Arizona laughs and then hangs up.

Bobby Ryan has negative value. You're wrong. Get over it.

Look at the comments under your proposal. Fans of all different teams calling it out for what it is -- a garbage, biased proposal. This is not some conspiracy against Ottawa or its players. Take off your homer glasses and come back to reality.

8.) 01 Apr 2018 17:36:51
None of those guys you mentioned are anywhere close to being better than ceci. closest one was hjalmerson when he was in Chicago penny picking off the success of guys like Keith Seabrook Campbell hossa Kane panarin byfuglien and toews, now he's a fraction of that player not worth a dime.

As for Ryan let me say it again so maybe it can get through your thick skull.

This season he's been shifted from line to line like crazy some that have chemistry some that don't how does anyone expect him to put up his regular numbers if he doesn't have a steady line combo to work with?

Last season the guy was plagued with health issues that got in the way yet with both of those season he still managed 0.6 points per game which is actually decent and still far away from negative value or goligoski value.

Now that both those seasons are out of the way look at the rest of his career, every other year his point totals were above 50 per year, stats don't lie!

As for batherson comment world juniors definitely affect value of prospect and have for years, what rock have you been living under exactly? So does their junior league performances. How do you think draft priority is determined. same thing for trade value of already drafted prospects.

9.) 01 Apr 2018 17:39:38
I’m really starting to get sick of your rubbish No bias.

10.) 01 Apr 2018 18:25:09
Dahlin> Karlsson, Stone, Batherson And Pits 1st.

11.) 01 Apr 2018 20:49:14
Okay Rambo, whatever man, the agree/ disagree ratio probably doesn't mean s*** to you, but sure.

Ryan has the value of JVR easily, and deserves a 1st Round Pick and a decent prospect.

Ceci is a top 2 dman, and has compltly found that potential. He is capable of keeping up with OEL and Josi. He certainly is comparable to a guy like Ryan Ellis.

And Drake Batherson is a top proapect who is totally guarranteed to be a top 6 forward, with the upside of Matt Barzal cause of course the WJC show everything about a player.

Yup. You're righr about everything Ramo. You truly are so qualified, and are as smart as Steve Yzerman. You deserve 0 criticsm, because you are so smart. Why don't the Senators just hire you? You'd save the franchise!

12.) 01 Apr 2018 22:50:40
The worst part is that he's serious. Posts are terrible but the explanations are even worse. Delusional a f.

13.) 02 Apr 2018 03:58:41
Rambo the next destruction artist

14.) 03 Apr 2018 15:29:47
Do you not know how to read or were you just born with a rock in your head?

I never claimed Ceci was a top 2 guy or was comparable to guys like josi or oel, just that he was a top 3 to 4 dman on most, if not all teams, who is still young and could still reach potential to 2 status.

And yes, Ryan's value is at least the same as jvr, as one/ two bad seasons do not define a players career. Especially a player like Ryan who has put up 50 plus points every other year has played and proved he still has it in last year's playoff run. Saying Ryan has negative value right now is the same thing as saying max domi has negative value right now but I don't see anyone jumping on that band wagon to bash domi? Why not? Domi had an outstanding rookie season but ever since he's been same point totals as Ryan's last 2 years. I'm not saying the guy is worth 7 million but any and every team in the league would be happy to give him 5 million a season for what he contributes to their team if he played for them and that does not mean he is negative value in fact quite the opposite.

No prospect is guarrenteed anything, that is why they are called prospects just like no pick is guarenteed to be number 1 overall in the new lottery format with the 3rd last in the rankings having the worst odds of all top 3 PICKS to even get a top 3 selection. That's the risk teams take on any prospect or draft pick and whether or not they will pan out.

I don't overvalued sens players but unlike you lot I don't undervalued them either. I value them for what they are worth.



12 Mar 2018 16:31:37
Ok revamp version see what kind of responses.
Hypothetically if Arizona wins lottery and EK really does intend on leaving ottawa and seeing as how Dorian loves 3 way trades how bout this for a block buster.

Arizona : Ottawa's 1st, Montreal's 1st, and Ryan

Ottawa : Arizona's 1st, Drouin, domi, and Montreal's 1st next year and the year after

Montreal : EK, smith, arizona's 3rd, and pitsburghs 3rd next year

Arizona gets a guy who's capable of 50 to 60 points a year plus 2 top 5 picks

Ottawa gets dahlin and 2 possible top 6 guys 1 with attitude and is injury prone and one who needs a change of scenery to pick up his game again plus a couple 1sts in up coming years

Montreal gets the best defenceman in the world to this point, as well as a couple 3rds, and a great depth player who can play anywhere in their lineup and is valued by other teams



1.) 12 Mar 2018 16:47:38
Wow. just no. MTL gets destroyed with this.

2.) 12 Mar 2018 16:58:33
Lol ok ottawa fan here wtf u won't get rid of ryan contract that easily hell no from montreal.

3.) 12 Mar 2018 17:02:18
Okay. this is extremely hard to understand, first off cause its way too many pieces moving and its way too disorganized. Lemme organize it:

**also, since NBR based this off of his last postm i'd assume he means that Arizonas 1st is 1st overall, which is Rasmus Dahlin.

Montreal Trades: 2018 1st, 2019 1st, 2020 1st, Jonathan Drouin.
Montreal Recieves: Erik Karlsson, Zack Smith (I presume its him), 2018 3rd, 2019 3rd.

Ottawa Trades: Erik Karlsson, 2018 1st, Bobby Ryan, Zack Smith.
Ottawa Recieves: Rasmus Dahlin, Jonathan Drouin, Max Domi, MTL's 2019 1st and MTL's 2020 1st.

Arizona Trades: Rasmus Dahlin, Max Domi.
Arizona Recieves: OTT's 2018 1st, MTL's 2018 1st and Bobby Ryan.

See how bad this is when you lay everything out in an organzied manner. Dahlin is percieved as the next EK. Sure, he could bust and only be a 40 point NHL dman, but the ceiling is high and he looks to be in the same boat as an Auston Matthews when it comes to '1st overall eliteness'. So, from Ottawa, they trade Karlsson for the younger, cost effective, possibly better version of him, and then a 1st (probably someone like Brady Tkachuk) for Jonathan Drouin, Max Domi and two firsts that are more than likely going to be top ten, since they're coming from Montreal? that's absolute highway robbery from Ottawa. And EK doesn't even come guaranteed with a contract extension.

Montreal gets absolutely fleeced, basically giving up Sergachev and 3 1st Round Picks for Erik Karlsson. If Steve Yzerman didn't want to give up Sergachev ALONE for Karlsson, what makes you think the return for Sergahev (which is Drouin) and 3! THREE! more than likely top ten picks will go for Karlsson? Are you off your rocker? AND EK isn't EVEN EXTENDED WITH THIS. And don't give me nonsense about this 'Zack Smith is worth a 1st and that's why the return is so high! ' NO. ZACK SMITH IS WORTH A 4TH!

And as for Arizona, i don't understand why they would try to move down in the draft in order to gain an atrocious contract in Bobby Ryan, and give up someone with potential in Max Domi. They need Rasmus Dahlin and wouldn't trade him to simply move down in the draft. There would have to be an exceptional offer for them to move the pick for Dahlin, and that simply is not close.

4.) 12 Mar 2018 17:04:39
And, lol. You refer to Drouin and Domi as 'attitude and injury prone players', but call Zack Smith a 'great depth player who is valued by other teams'. Man oh man. How biased is that? 😂😂😂.

5.) 12 Mar 2018 17:35:00
Yeah this post is all over the place jeez.

6.) 12 Mar 2018 20:37:43
The fact that you say : and mtl gets a couple of 3rd is so cliche and looks pretty much like on the troll post I made with the point I was trying to make: 2nd and 3rd are not going to be taken by team as compensation.

7.) 12 Mar 2018 20:41:41
Also you absolutely seem not to care about Mtl's needs
Wich are getting faster and younger
Not Older
Also how Mtl will resign Karlson with Ryan's contract.

8.) 12 Mar 2018 21:26:06
So habs trade drouin ans next 3 years of first rounders for a year of karlsson, when they don’t have to talent right now to surround him with? especially if they’re trading drouin away in it. Then they lose him or pay him 12 mill for 8 years and have 2 RHD making 20 mill till they’re 36 and 41 lol good call Rambo.

9.) 12 Mar 2018 21:28:36
Oh man what a dumpster fire of a post. Biased Ramblow strikes again.

Bobby Ryan is a cap dump. He has negative value at his current cap hit. End of story. He's been playing at a 40 point/ 82 game pace the past two seasons. He makes 7.25 mill for another four seasons. That. Is. Horrendous.

10.) 13 Mar 2018 02:47:02
Meant smith not Ryan.

11.) 25 Mar 2018 23:46:42
Ok 1st off you need to p**s off with Ryan being negative value (1 bad season and an overpaid I'll be it by 2 mil) contract doesn't make him negative value. He's a 50 to 60 point guy minimum when healthy and even this year has a 0.54 point per game average with 29 points in only 54 games and playing with 3 different line combos or more till he found chemistry. in what world is that a player with negative value?

And yes EK is a generational talent already deemed THE BEST DEFENCEMAN IN THE WORLD TODAY! So naturally it'll take at least a solid prospect and 3 1sts to acquire him. compensation for an RFA of his talent level is usually 4 years worth of 1st round picks, and Drouin has proven to be a bad apple at time in locker room and hasn't lived up to his full potential yet and domi had 1 great year but what has he done since?

Arizona 1st off is no longer the best odds at landing dahlin as that goes in buffalos favour now but even if they were that's all it is is odds as it is a LOTTERY NOT A GUARENTEE!

So why would Arizona do this you ask? Simple they get 2 lotto picks instead of 1 plus they add offence in Bobby Ryan to play with stepan. .

Why would ottawa do this? To replenish the pick they will lose to Colorado and gain 2 big prospects and 2 other picks one that gives them a better shot at landing dahlin in the LOTTERY!

Why would Montreal do this? To add a big body depth guy who can do anything ask of him in Smith and finally get a legit number 1 defenceman in EK who would compliment a Weber pairing perfectly and triple the offence Drouin provides now at same time.

EK is in the prime of his career and is not defined by this season. he just had surgery on a fee bad injury, had no training camp, and was forced back earlier than expected. it's call dejavu Matt Cooke fans. same thing happened back then and he rebounded the following seasons to become the best defenceman in the world.

So again talk all the c**p you want, but this is a fair deal 3 ways around.

Montreal solidifies defence upgrades offence and gains leadership

Ottawa ups their shot at landing dahlin and gives themselves a future with all the picks and kids

Arizona gets 2 shots at dahlin or any other lotto picks plus adds scoring that they can afford to over pay a little as their cap total isn't as big as most other teams currently.



09 Mar 2018 20:36:27
Hypothetically. if Arizona wins lottery and ottawa gets 2nd or 3rd pick.

Arizona : 1st overall pick

Ottawa : 2nd or 3rd overall pick, pittsburgs 1st rounder (from brassard deal), Bobby Ryan

Reasoning is ottawa don't need much to turn things around and dahlin would do it.
Arizona on the other hand has defence already but is sorely lacking in terms of offence.
By picking up Ryan who they can afford as one of the few teams that has room for him then get a 60 point per year guy.


1.) 09 Mar 2018 21:50:39
Lol you call Ryan a 60 pts Guy

John chayka laugh hard.

2.) 09 Mar 2018 21:53:39
You are just like GoldenShowers but Senator's version.

3.) 09 Mar 2018 21:56:25
Ryan is a cap dump with negative value. That's why Ottawa is trying to attach him to any Karlsson deal. A Pittsburgh 1st is not nearly enough to bridge the gap between Dahlin and the 2nd or 3rd overall with Ryan involved.

4.) 09 Mar 2018 22:35:21
Imo Arizona would rather trade Ekman-Larsson and build around Dahlin. Plus, some other teams could come up with much better proposals.

5.) 09 Mar 2018 23:21:34
Actually Arizona has a ton of young high end ceiling forwards like Keller, strome, Dvorak, Fischer, domi even crouse to a lesser degree. They don’t have those high end prospects on the blue line and would not pass up Dahlin.

There’s rumors that OEL may not want to be back in Arizona beyond next season. Then Dahlin is the replacement. And if those rumors are BS which is very possible, why would they pass on Dahlin when they have an elite #1 Swedish D to groom him? Either way, coyotes make that pick if they win it.

6.) 09 Mar 2018 23:32:49
And as Cou says IF Arizona let it known they were shopping that pick, teams would line up with more than a late 1st and a cap dump to upgrade their pick.

7.) 10 Mar 2018 02:15:42
This is not a year to trade the first overall. Maybe if Karlsson is involved they will listen.

8.) 10 Mar 2018 02:53:28
Lol biased rambo getting roasted up in here. Brutal proposal. The price to get rid of ryan's contract is at least a first round pick. So Arizona trades Dahlin for the 2nd or 3rd overall for nothing.

Cool story bro.

9.) 10 Mar 2018 21:39:54
1st off Ryan is far from negative value. The guy had one bad season due to health issues, that never has and never will warrent a negative value.

Even this year the guy has 27 points in 47 games so far working out to a 0.57 point per game average a little past the half way mark. and last year's playoffs he was the 2nd best player for ottawa next to EK.

Is he worth 7 million? No. but
is he worth less than 5? Probably not.
Does Arizona have the cap space for the over payment? Heck yeah they do.

Most of Arizona's current front end prospects outside domi are a bust.

So again while dahlin is highly hyped up I doubt a team like Arizona would be crazy enough to turn down a 50 to 60 point top 6 winger, a mid to late 1st, and the 2nd or 3rd overall pick even if it is for the 1st overall.

Aside from a bad contract and one very bad yet unhealthy season, can anyone actually come up with any reason whatsoever that Ryan would have anywhere near a negative value? No? I didn't think so.

10.) 10 Mar 2018 21:49:16
On top of this I won the brassard debate where y'all said sens would be lucky to get an early
my 2nd or a late 1st for him. well not only did we get a 1st like I guarenteed we would but we also got a high end goalie prospect on top of that. go figure. Phaneuf also got traded like I said he would, mind you dummion Dorian took a retention when he shouldn't have but still the trade happened. Not to mention the over payment on Duchene while it was huge overpayment we didn't move Chabot brown or white like all of you kept claiming it would take.

So y'all can keep talking trash all you want I'll just keep preparing speeches for the "I told you so" moments. clearly I know more about real life trades and values than the majority of you no common sense nobodies.

11.) 10 Mar 2018 23:53:40
Rambo, people said you would get an early second or late first for brassard and you think they’re wrong? A pens first is about as late as it gets when predicting before the playoffs, and they retained half his salary for this year and next. Obviously you’re going to get a little more lol that’s not saying everyone was wrong, sens added an asset (salary retention) is to brassard to get that return. Figure it out man.

12.) 10 Mar 2018 23:58:27
And yeah, you’re so right, 19 yearold clayton Keller with 18 NHL goals and 50 pts in his first 69 games is so much more of a bust than 23 year old Max Domi with 32 goals and m 200+ games. You have zero cred.

13.) 11 Mar 2018 00:40:28
Well said Rambo. I`m a Hawks fan and can see that value as you do. There can be a deal in place there but maybe twitch it around a bit as the rumour does say that Ekman-Larsen wants out and Arizona will keep and build around Dalin. So maybe something like;

Ottawa trades ( Ceci or Claesson), White and Ryan

Arizona trades Ekman-Larsen, 2nd 2018

or Arizona 1st pick 2018 = Dalin only.

14.) 11 Mar 2018 03:18:58
Hahaha delusions from fantasy island! Ryan's contract is horrendous. Guy is as clueless as the Sens joke of an owner.

15.) 11 Mar 2018 03:52:02
Hmmm. What if Ottawa got number 1 overall and Arizona got number 2?

Alex Goligoski, the 2nd overall pick and a 2nd for 1st overall? Nope, Ottawa wouldn't do that. Similarly, Zona wouldn't do the propsed deal.

16.) 11 Mar 2018 22:32:09
Is hawks18 and nobiasrambo the same person? He has done the 2 account thing before.

17.) 12 Mar 2018 16:29:05
Biased Jim. you might want to do you're research a little better.

The trade went as follows.

Ott gets Gustafson, a 3rd next year, pens 1st, And Cole who they flipped for a 3rd

Vegas eats 40% of brassard contract and gets pens 4th and Reaves

Pens get brassard (at 60%), Dunne, Lindberg, and sens 3rd

That just proves you don't actually follow the sport.

18.) 15 Apr 2018 14:03:48
Just one account man. I just happened to agree with Rambo that time. If it makes sense to me I would agree with yours too at times.

Don't worry man (Facelift) . If you have issues with Rambo, take it out on him. I don't like Ryan's contract and value either. Ottawa got f***ed with that but that is Melnyks and Dorion's problem.

No worries, I still enjoy the various comments and opinions. Some are outrageous, delusional. biased, freekin'hilarious or intelligent. it's all fun to read.




NoBiasRambo's talk posts with other poster's replies to NoBiasRambo's talk posts


18 May 2018 14:26:33
Explain to me how Ceci not worth a 1st but krug for 10th overall rumors are surfacing on more reliable sites than this?

Truth is krug is not much better than Ceci just had better defence partner for a number of years that made him look good. krug played with chara as opposed to Ceci playing with either Phaneuf or Cowan the entire time.

If that deal happens then no doubt Ceci value goes way up.


1.) 18 May 2018 16:28:30
Krugs main defence partner that apparently "made him look good" was adam Mcquaid. Krugs just an offensive dynamo.

2.) 18 May 2018 17:41:34
Yeah. Krug has not been sheltered or made look good by his partner lol I haven’t really noticed ceci being bad like some people have said, but in all the years of watxhinhim face the leafs, he’s never overly impressed me either. Krug was a game changer in the series this year against the leafs.

3.) 18 May 2018 17:52:08
What? Krug is better than Cici tho. Like, it's not even questionable. Unless your a complete homer.
Ohhhhh, you are a complete homer so I understand why you would post this now.

Also, It's a rumor out of a Boston meadow guy saying he thinks Boston should try and trade Krug + for Klefbom, 10th overall.
Depending on that plus, I say F no. I was a better D than Krug (and I like Krug) for Klefbom and 10th (like adding a smaller piece for OEL, Risto type, someone slightly better than Krug anyways) . That plus better be pretty good to get Klefbom and 10th. IMO.

4.) 18 May 2018 18:24:07
Maybe cause Krug is much, much, much better than Ceci. Krug is a top line d man bordering on (If not already) elite and Ceci is at best a #4 d man.

5.) 18 May 2018 20:21:05
You’ve lost it Rambo.

6.) 19 May 2018 00:00:42
In what universe is krug an elite top 2 defenceman? Lmao.

Yes he's good and yes he's a bit better than Ceci but not by so much that he warrent a top 10 return and Ceci can't crack a 1st rounder return. sorry but you are incorrect xcing and it's painfully obvious.

AND numbnutz what games were you watching? Every Boston game I've seen the top 2 dpairs were

Chara krug
Mcquade seidenburg

At least since boychuck was snapped away from them. and before that krug was nothing special but sure he looked promising at the same time Ceci coming off a great personal year and starting to look promising again in his own right's.

7.) 19 May 2018 02:46:28
Krug become an elite d man when he got 50+ points last year then finished 15th in Norris voting and then proceeded to top that the next year with 59 points in less than 80 games (9th in D man scoring) . All while putting up fantastic advanced stats. Krug is most definately a top pair d man on almost every team.

Cody Ceci on the other hand had an astounding 19 points. But wait I hear you screaming that’s not what he’s good for. so what is he good for? His defence? All of his advance stats show that he is terrible defensively (not just this year) . But wait look at all that potential. oh wait he’s 25, not much of that left. He’s at best a #4 d man like I said before.

Ceci shouldn’t be considered close to as good as Krug and I truly hope you’re trolling.

8.) 19 May 2018 04:06:07
Hahahahahahaha. You're a clueless homer and its painfully obvious. It's hilarious really. Too good.

9.) 19 May 2018 05:48:11
I don't know if anyone else here looks at HERO charts but it puts grades players out on their advanced stats and rates to compare them to other players and archetypes. Uses 3 years of data. doesn't have last years yet but from 14-15 to 16-17 Krug and Ceci aren't even close. In fact Krug compares to a bonafide #1 dman by their comparison and Ceci is below 3rd pair in shot generation and suppression (although goals/ 60 were high due to his low ice time and first assits/ 60 were just above average 3rd pair)

10.) 19 May 2018 13:31:06
NoBias, you know that Seidenberg is an Islander right? And you know that Bostons dcore is

Chara - McAvoy
Krug - Miller
Carlo - Grzelcyk


11.) 19 May 2018 17:25:24
Hahahahahahahaha. Krug playing with Seidenberg. Man that's awesome. Clueless, Like I said.

12.) 19 May 2018 21:47:15
Yup, you should have read that I say char was krug partner not seidenburg. and mccavoy only burst on to the scene really part way through this year.

Also kind've tough for Ceci to stand out any more that he did when he traded a lamp post for a pilon over the last few years in Cowan for Phaneuf both of which he had to carry and did a great job of by the way. give him a real partner and see what happens.

Not saying hell be better that krug but definately better than you guys give him credit for.

13.) 20 May 2018 00:35:07
Seidenberg is an Islander, has been for the past two years. that's the second time I've said it. And what quantum realm do you live in, McAvoy has been a Bruin this entire year.

14.) 21 May 2018 20:36:50
That seids comment really made me chuckle. Also as TopShelf said McAvoy has been playing for Boston since last years playoffs. At this point i can't tell if the guys joking or not but i found some good entertainment in it.



16 May 2018 19:57:07
Ok people these Erik karlsson rumors are getting old, tiresome and really annoying real fast. I've litterally seen 1 maybe 2 options that make any sense in a karlsson trade and y'all seem to think they are somehow over payments when they're NOT!

So let me put this into perspective for you all to see.

Turris went to Nashville, then everything the sens got for turris was packaged with a 1st next season, Hammond, and Shane bowers for Duchene who is not much better than turris to begin with. turris like Duchene is a former 3rd overall pick who's 1 year older than Duchene, bowers also a former 1st round pick.

So basically Duchene got them a 3rd overall, a mid 1st rounder, and an unknown 1st that could be better than 3rd overall plus a backup goalie who's shown flashes of brilliance between the pipes.

Given the fact that EK is twice the player that Duchene is and is roughly the same age plus is a more coveted position as defensemen of that caliber are much tougher to find than forwards that means that EK would demand a minimum of a return worth double the return that Colorado got for Duchene.

AND that's NOT being biased towards ottawa like I know a few of you will moan about, that's just stating facts. While Duchene might be a top 50 or 100 player in the league today he still falls quite a bit short of EK who is easily top 3 in the world along side the likes of mcdavid and dare I say cry baby Crosby and there for would warrentvone of the biggest return packages you'll ever see.


1.) 16 May 2018 20:29:08
Dont know what triggered Rambo. but i haven't seen an EK post on this site in a long time.

2.) 16 May 2018 21:06:59
Lmao. Haven't seen an EK post for a while now. Wtf.
I'm not even reading your whole post, got through the first line.

3.) 16 May 2018 20:59:15
Turris was traded separately for a 2nd round pick.

4.) 17 May 2018 01:37:42
Nah, lmao. Duchene was never worth that, the entire hockey world knew that. Ottawa paid a heft sum to barely upgrade from Turris.

Duchenes value had plummeted. Everyone was surprised that Sakic actually got what he desired. Ottawa GM simply overpaid. EK, if traded will get a lot, but won't get like all of an elite young player, a first, an A+ prospect plus.

5.) 17 May 2018 02:09:13
Turris is equal to third overall than I guess Yakupov is worth first overall. You act like the nonsense you say is scientific. Lol EK’s value is exactly twice as much as Duchene’s?

6.) 17 May 2018 12:57:37
Ya Duchene was an overpayment from day one the hockey world was shocked OTT gave up that much. And he has term that Karlsson doesn't EK has 1 year left. If he's traded hell get a ton, more than most would probably be happy about giving but he's not getting what you think.

7.) 17 May 2018 21:30:34
Just because Ottawa paid that for Duchene and Karlsson is twice the player that Duchene is doesn’t mean squat lol oilers traded 2 picks to the islanders for griffin Reinhart. One became Barzal and I believe the other was beavillier. And darnel nurse is twice good as Reinhart, so nurse is worth 2 Barzals and 2 beauvilliers?! Hahaha no!

Oilers made a terrible trade for Reinhart and the world knows it. That doesn’t affect value beyond that trade. Sens over paid for Duchene, people can clearly see that and it’s in the past.

8.) 18 May 2018 03:51:23
Turris was drafted 3rd overall in his draft year oh brilliant one do the research if you don't agree.

and vbbvbb turris was traded to Nashville for prospects Samuel Girard, Vladislav Kamenev and a 2018 second-round draft pick which were all flipped to Colorado along with bowers Hammond a 1st and a 3rd for Duchene making Duchene value in that trade equal to the full value of turris plus a 1st 3rd Hammond and bowers. do your research.

AND EK will demand at least twice that despite what other fools might argue based on the bias against the sens!

EK either stays or he doubles that return or sens get gipped again which will not happen because Dorian knows if it does espessially with EK stone Duchene or Hoffman then the fans will be calling for his head guarenteed.

9.) 18 May 2018 11:22:25
EK to San Jose for Dillon, Boedker, Dell, 2nd confirmed.

10.) 18 May 2018 14:20:05
Lmfao ummm no!



27 Apr 2018 02:17:12
Ok let's step away from ottawa for a second. say Pittsburgh fails to reach the 3peat. they are known for making crazy deals like this anyway.

Pit : hagelin, sheary (if kovachuck resigns with them), a 2nd

Njd : 3rd, the rights to kovalchuck

With fluery contract off the books moving sheath and hagelin should give them more than enough space to sign kovalchuk as much as I hate them this does make sence for them.

Kovalchuk Crosby guentzel
Hornqvist Malkin kessel

1 2 punch of deadly proportions and still have a cheap brassard for 3rd line crazy to think.

Maybe turn letang into a couple depth guys as he's injury prone anyway and Shultz and Mata are Ready to carry the load on back end anyway.



1.) 27 Apr 2018 08:04:00
Well Rambo, Kovalchuck will be a UFA and free to sign with anyone he wants. No one is going to trade for his rights right now. Come on man.

2.) 27 Apr 2018 18:01:09
Kovalchuck is 35 year old. Pitts shouldn't even try to get him. i'm not saying he isn't useful anymore but not as first line minutes.



03 Feb 2018 10:13:09
Sens players of today vs sens players of the past and what they landed in a trade to determine current players trade values or what they could land in a trade.

Fisher is the closest comparison to brassard who is better in offence and speed and as good defensively as Fisher who got them - a mid 1st and a conditional pick that could have been a 2nd or a 3rd

Brassard value should be at least equal to that if not greater.

Vermette and Smith would be closest comparison as stats are about equal at these particular points in their careers with the differences being speed vs size and toughness, contracts also identical at these points, vermette landed leclair (who at this point was considered a solid goalie) and a 2nd

Smith's value is therefore worth at least a late 1st or early 2nd.

Pageau >> kelly who landed a late 2nd

Pageau worth at least an early 2nd or late 1st

Burrows holds more value than Shane Prince and a 7th which landed a 3rd

Burrows worth a 3rd

White has far more value than lazar did when he was traded for a mid to late 2nd

White worth at least a mid 1st

As noticed all of these comparisons are based on trades that DID actually happen and players that do now what they did back then.

Also note that if Heatley and spezza can be moved without retention with the contracts they carried then moving guys like Ryan and Phaneuf is NOT out of the question!


1.) 03 Feb 2018 13:48:47
Buddy, your comparing Ottawa Senators now to Ottawa Senators of the past. that's not going to get you anywhere. Especially considering the Fisher, Kelly and Kovalev deals were well over 5+ years ago. What you should look at now is the players contracts, and very recent trades (like last trade deadline) . For example,

Hanzal got a 1st+ because of his defensive game, Brassard can get a 1st.

Zach Smith is overpaid, and on bad term. If Ottawa got a third for him, they'd be lucky. he's a big contract not doing much on the offensive side of the puck.

Burrows is not at all close to Prince. You guys overpaid geting Burrows, and at least Prince was young and had potential when beinh dealt to Long Island. Burrows is worth what Stafford got last year, 6th, maybe 5th.

Pageau is worth a second sure, but not a 1st. he's a third liner on a decent deal, so he womt bring badk a 1st.

AND idk why u wanna trade white. But whatever.

2.) 04 Feb 2018 10:04:09
Doesn't matter how long ago those trades were, the point is that the mentioned players trade values at the time of their trades are more than comparable to certain players of today's trade values, as they do pretty well the same thing for their team as the players of the past did and have similar contracts.

Brassard is more valuable than hanzel and Fisher as he provides offence defence faceoffs and speed.

Zach Smith makes 3.25 million and is having a bad year like the rest of the team, he's generally a 3rd liner who puts up between 30 and 40 points a season, one bad year affects nothing. Therefore reaffirming what I had said about his value being a late 1st or early 2nd as that's where players drafted in those spots usually end up in the league unless a rarity is found.

Prince was at his peek when he was traded and could not provide the locker room leadership, or heart and dedication that burrows provides, nor was Prince as hard in the puck battles as burrows is, not saying your wrong about us overpaying for him but he can get what Prince got based on him being better than Prince ups his value but age bring it back down making it even.

Pageau is much better than kelly ever was plus he is a solid playoff performer every year thus his value being at least double what Kelly's value (late 2nd) was.

White was mentioned because his value is high and if paired with the right player like say, brassard, they could fetch a 2nd top 10 pick not only upping their chances of getting dahlin but also possibly getting another big piece on an entry level deal like maybe tketchuck.

That's why I mentioned white, high value but expendable in ottawa as sens still have formenton, batherson, chlapic, and brown to fall back on. plus his entry level deal is up a year before all of theirs.

3.) 04 Feb 2018 12:35:52
Extremely Biased Rambo go to bed.

4.) 05 Feb 2018 16:06:54
What part of this is not true exactly?

You offer your scepticism and denial when faced with facts but when it comes to reasoning it's something you just can't do.

At least I provide proof of past trades and their current day equivalents in trade value and what they provide their team with while a number of extremely biased protesters can do nothing but undervalue certain players based on the team they play for or overvalue available players from other teams. prime examples being turris Duchene before and after that deal.

So spare me the accusation of me being biased when in reality it's the other way around!



24 Dec 2017 18:54:34
Ott: Phaneuf
Det: 3rd round pick

Ott: Hoffman
Edm or buf: 1st round pick

Ott: brassard, Paul, dzingle
Van: 1st and 3rd round picks

Ott: burrows
Ana or Njd: 2nd round pick

Ottawa then either wins the draft lottery and gets 2 more top picks with the number 1 or loses lottery but trades up to get it anyway with the extra picks they'll have then goes on to draft rasmus dahlin giving them not 1 but 2 of the best defence prospects in the game in chabot and dahlin to learn from the number 1 guy EK who thanks to the cap dumps ottawa should have no problem resigning.

Then they call up the likes of white, brown, formenton, and chlapic to replace the pieces traded.


1.) 24 Dec 2017 19:30:04
NOBODYYYYYYY wants that Lhaneuf contract, and Detroit has enough bad contracts as is, do they want another? Nope.

Edmonton may do that deal, depending on how they feel about their first, however, Buffalo slaps you in the face. Buffalos forst is top5 forsure - you ain't getting one of Dahlin, Zadina, Svech, Boq or Veleno for Hoff.

Hahahahahahahhahahahahaha. You think Vancouver wants an aging second line centre? For their 1st which is, like Buffalo, going to be top5 basically guarranteed barring a huge unlikely playoff push? And DZingel is nothing, he's like worth a 3rd, and Paul is literally worthless, he hasn't played at all, maybe worth a 6th. You ain't getting a top 5 pick for a second line centre (who, by the way, Vancouver has some of those, think Horvat, Sedin, Granlund, Sutter, etc) and two throwins.

And Burrows will never get a second. he's fourth line value, will maybe get a 4th ish. Y'all were crazy to give up Dahlen for him.

2.) 24 Dec 2017 19:33:10
Det, Buf, Van, Anh, Nj all say no.
Edm 1dt for Hoffman is the only believable fit here.

3.) 25 Dec 2017 04:51:56
Not a clue why this is showing up here instead of where I actually posted it but whatever.

Phaneuf is still a top 4 defenceman whether anyone likes it or not. Yes he has a bad contract but a team like Detroit who no longer has datsyuk contract on the books can more than afford it for the next few years and to get him for a 3rd is more than fair both ways so get over yourselves with the dumb comments that he's unreadable due to his contract. Everyone is tradable no matter the contract, and he was traded twice already no reason he can't be traded again.

Burrows probably could fetch a low 2nd or high third, teams in contention like players like burrows who fight to get in the little dirty areas and tend to over pay for them a lot just look at trade history.

Hoffman one actually is in talks for sure with Edmonton but no reason why buffalo wouldn't get in on that action seeing as how they need a goal scorer like Hoffman next to eichel and considering it was Tim Murray who actually drafted Hoffman when he worked in ottawa and has a connection to the guy.

And brassard is far from aging he's in his prime, why is it so hard to believe that he a young dzingle who keeps getting a better and a sought after big body prospect like Paul could fetch that sort of return? Horvat is really the only one on canucks current roster who could challenge brassard for top center there I mean the sedins are aging faster than a shriveled up prune and not what they used to be.

4.) 25 Dec 2017 06:46:29
Brassard is 30 that's end of prime. Paul is a bust he's got about the same value as Adam Erne but Erne scores more. Dzingle isn't an up and comer he's at a players typical peak age. Could get a bit better but will never be top 6. Adding also doesn't make much sense for VAN or BUF or DET for that matter. Phaneuf contract makes it hard to move its not like Sens gave up anything for him. Its not hard to see why this are unbelievable looking at them from not OTT perspective for like 5 seconds.

5.) 25 Dec 2017 16:56:16
Paul, Dzingel, Burrows, Phaneuf suck. Get over it. Combined, they'd get a second. And even that's a maybe. Brassard ain't getting a top 5-10 pick buddy. Would you give up your first for Brandon Sutter? Didn't think so. And Hoff to Buffalo isn't happening, for a first especially.

6.) 25 Dec 2017 19:07:23
A low 2nd for burrows and a 3rd for Phaneuf can definitely happen it not unbelievable.

As for brassard deal a pick in the top 5 ok ottawa may have to add but anything 6 and up it's doable with the pieces involved and Vancouver is definitely not a shoe in for bottom 5 so they could take a risk early while the season is still salvageable thinking a trade could turn them around and the trade could look good for either team depending how it goes at seasons end.

Also brassard is 29 not 30 but even still 30 is far from end of peak which the actually age for that is closer to 33 or 34. and comparing Brandon Sutter to Derrick brassard is hardly a fair comparison as sitter is a career 3rd line center while brassard has always been number 1 or 2 line center and puts up twice th point totals. let alone adding a guy like Paul who could fit in nicely on any teams 3rd line just not Ottawa's as they have an over abundance of young and talented kids, and dzingle who can slip in to most teams top six and is one of the fastest skaters in the world with pretty good point totals.

So again not sure how any of these are hard to believe?

7.) 25 Dec 2017 22:47:23
Okay, listen to this:

Komarov for 2nd from NJ/ ANH

Martin and Lupul and 6th for 3rd from DET.

JVR and 3rd for Buffalos 1st.

Rychel, Bozak and Kapanen for Vancouvers 1st.

See how unrealistic that is?

8.) 26 Dec 2017 00:02:51
Brassard was born Sept 1987. he's 30. And 30 is end of peak especially for not elite players. Even by your own admission he's got a couple years left before he starts getting worse. he's not worth a lottery pick. Burrows is old and not that good not worth anyones second. OTT is far from the league leader in young talented forwards Paul has 7 points 1 goal in 17 AHL games that's not some great 3rd line NHLer. I don't know what's so hard to understand here.

9.) 26 Dec 2017 04:45:26
If that is so jbs32 then how do you explain Thornton Marleau kopitar or my PERSONAL favourite in this category jagr. peak is 33 to 34 NOT 30

Burrows is the type of player who grinds it out a fights to get the puck out of the dirty areas so for a team going for a cup run he is definitely worth a 2nd.

Phaneuf is not only a top 4 defenceman but a big body presence on the power play and brings leadership, experience and can finish so a 3rd would definitely be worth giving up for a team that could afford that contract.

10.) 26 Dec 2017 04:55:27
Kpmorpv for a late second - yes I could see that

Jvr and a 3rd for buffalos 1st - also a yes possibility

Lupul a 3rd and and Martin for set 3rd - is a hell no and is not really a fair comparison, I'm assuming you're using this as a counter to Phaneuf deal which if so makes no sense as while both have bad contracts at least Phaneuf plays while lupus just eats cap and is always injured so get real

Rychel kapanen and bozak for Vancouver's 1st - is a yes as well for van but don't think tor willing to move that much for it.

11.) 26 Dec 2017 18:05:53
Just look back to the last fore sale ottawa had if you disagree with any of this.

Heatley landed a 1st cheechoo and michalek

Kelly landed a 2nd (burrows does same things kelly did well minus the faceffs)

Fisher got a 1st (brassard provides more offense but defense and faceoffs are bout same)

Kovalev got a 1st (Phaneuf is more consistent and reliable plus his position is more important with his contract being his only bad side)

And didn't jarco ruutu land them a 2nd as well? That right there should tell you all you need to know.

Just because a handful of you guys on here under value sens players doesn't mean everyone else does too or even that the league itself does lol.

12.) 26 Dec 2017 21:53:27
If those players are so amazing then keep them.

But you're so far off on their value, as mentioned a lot above, It's crazy.

13.) 27 Dec 2017 01:26:00
I disagree on 3 out of the 5. heatley didn't bring back a first, he actually brought back a 2nd with michalek and cheech. Kovalev didn't bring back a first, that one was a conditional 6th. And ruutu didn't bring in a 2nd, he was traded for a 6th (max mccormick)

14.) 27 Dec 2017 15:41:23
If they didn't bring back 1sts then how did ottawa end up with 3 or 4 1st rounders that year?
Matt peumple, robin lehner, and stepan noesen that I know of.
All 3 were 1st round picks that's a guarantee. and all were drafted by the sens. maybe you should look back on your trade history facelift39. actually one came from vermette trade along with Pascal leclair who at the time had a lot of value himself and it was a high pick that got the sens leaner. pretty sure the the 2nd one was from the Fisher deal or the kovalev deal, I'm thinking kovalev deal as it was the 28th pick that drafted peumple so it would've had to have come from a team that made the final 2 that year which were pens and wings around that time.

Yup how am I far off at all? You might want to think before you speak. that's one of the dumbest comments I've ever seen. if I'm off in value I'd love to see your biased value charts so I can cry myself to sleep tonight laughing at how 1 sided against ottawa they are lol.

15.) 27 Dec 2017 19:36:45
Rambo, Ottawa is one of my favorite teams to watch. My parents are from Ottawa and all my relatives still live there.
But you overvalue Sens players like crazy.
You even said Edm has no winger like Burrows who gets into the corners. You forget they have Lucic, Maroon, Drake, Jujhar, Kassian? They are get in the corners and aren't afraid to battle with anyone.
I really like a lot of the Sens players, But you over value them here like crazy. The teams you are trying to give them away to in this post all have no interest in those players. They just aren't good fits. Not saying they aren't good players. They just aren't good fits to those teams especially for what you want back, over valued them for the return you want. Two things are wrong. The fit, and the value.

16.) 27 Dec 2017 22:22:29
Lehner was a 2nd round pick bud, and i repeat heatley was traded (with a 5th) for cheech, michalek and 2nd (kent simpson) kovalev was traded to pens for conditional 6th (ryan dzingel) and ruutu was traded for a 6th (max mccormick) as per www. nhltradetracker. com
Do your own research man, every post YOU put on here is by far the dumbest thing I've ever read. you're delusional and talk out of your crapper.




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14 May 2018 20:07:49
Why would ottawa take hughs over tkechuck or zadina or schvechnikov? Let's face it at least one of those 3 will be available at 4 and all are better than Hughes.

Plus ottawa can get better than 10th overall for Hoffman that's just low ball territory.




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14 May 2018 20:03:02
Technically there are in a bit of a pinch salary wise yup. sure they have 11m free now roughly but EK will demand another 4 to 5 million for his raise and stone will get another 3 to 3.5 million with Duchene getting another 2 million leaving them not much room for free agents or future young guys they'll need to give raises to like Chabot white chlapic brown etc. it makes sense but why not just use Arizona the same way they used Vegas as a means of an end to move Ryan? Arizona eats that cap then they flip Ryan at the new salary to replenish picks and prospects and get rid of the total sum of his contract? At new wage I'm sure they'd get something good for him. at 7.5 no but at 35 to 50% taken off I'm sure they would.




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10 May 2018 20:08:24
Colt66 your concept of trade value is pathetic. ottawa says if you want a consistent 50 to 60 point player in his prime like hoffman you're giving at least a top 5 pick no less or no deal.




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10 May 2018 20:03:27
So in other words bad contract for bad contract plus a high level prospect giving ottawa yet another aweful trade from colt66. yeah ottawa says feel your head and come back with a fair trade for both sides or just don't come back!




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09 May 2018 18:22:12
Yup I'm in no position to call people on here delusional? Really? With the posts you make you make being as patheticly biased as they are, you are in no position to even comment on any of this and be viewed as a credible source, you obviously don't know the meaning of the word for that matter.

AND vbbvbb, based on what they gave up to get Duchene in the 1st place, turris who is just as good as Duchene and a former 3rd overall pick in his own right, bowers who is a former 1st rounder with tons of potential, a 1st next year, and Hammond who is the weakest part of the deal but has shown stints of brilliance in the past, and the fact that Duchene is now a 1st line center himself, then yeah I'd have to say he is worth dahlin on his own based on all of that. if a team like montreal offered buffalo the 3rd overall pick, plus a 1st this year, a 1st next year, and a decent backup goalie who may find his rhithim again do you honestly think they'd say no? They'd take it and run and that's basically what Duchene is worth looking at Colorado trade. his value doesn't drop in 3 months time with a new team even if he gets no points because common sense dictates that it takes Time to develope chemistry with new team mates.

AND unsportsmanlike you just something I'm not allowed to say. I never said Ryan was worth a high end pick but a low 1st / high 2nd yeah that I could see based on his points per game average in all but last year. Like him or hate him or his salary he is still an effective top 6 forward.





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