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20 Jun 2018 00:13:16
Montreal trades: Pacioretty, 2nd round pick, 3rd round pick 2019

Chicago: 8th overall

18 Jun 2018 03:15:03
To CHI
Hoffman
Rights to RFA Claesson

To OTT
8th overall

Chicago gets to go for cup again. Draft won’t help with their age, , Hoffman does and they can use cheap, reliable young D.

Ottawa gets Zadina at 4 and Walhstrom at 8 and has rebuilt. Sign Wideman and EK.

Everyone’s happy! . Except Montreal who has Domi instead of Gally.

18 Jun 2018 15:04:00
That dosent get 8th overall.

19 Jun 2018 11:25:50
It definitely does get at least 8th overall vbbvbb.

15 Jun 2018 20:52:17
OTT: Hoffman, 22nd ovr
CHI: Hossa, 8th ovr

Chicago clears a small amount of cap space but actually gets some use out of it. Could even flip him.

Ottawa gets two top 10 picks and takes on cap space, but only has to pay an actual salary of 200k to Hossa.

16 Jun 2018 00:10:38
Hossa is on LTIR he has no cap hit.

16 Jun 2018 03:06:38
They can clear cap space by placing him in on ltir.

16 Jun 2018 12:02:33
hoffman > hossa at this point, it's better to have someone that can actually help. i understand that point.
8th overall > 22nd overall.
i highly highly doubt chicago would move down that far, especially out of top 10, just to save cap space that they could just clear by using LITR instead. Even if both were playing i don't see the difference between hossa and hoffman to be that great to justify moving down 14 spots outside of top 10.

17 Jun 2018 15:22:42
no from ottawa

11 Jun 2018 16:53:46
OTT: karlsson(extended)

TB: Mcdonagh Johnson 2019 1st



OTT: Smith

CHI: 2018 3rd



OTT: Pageau Ceci Gustavsson

Car: terravainnen 2019 2nd


OTT: Hoffman Chlapic

EDM: 2018 1st

11 Jun 2018 17:43:30
Lmao wtf you’re a sens fan and that’s what you want for a return for karlsson?

11 Jun 2018 19:04:08
Bro you're def not a sens fan. All those trades are horrific for Ottawa

11 Jun 2018 19:23:44
Rambo is not going to be happy with your proposal Sensfan. It would be Kucherov, Hedman and a 1st in the eyes of John Rambo.

11 Jun 2018 19:28:13
Teravainen is worth way more.

11 Jun 2018 19:41:19
If the sens can extend Karlsson why would they trade him.

13 Jun 2018 22:42:51
For once I agree with vbbvbb which is so weird. only one that would be workable is the Smith trade, the rest are trash.

11 Jun 2018 05:19:49
Chicago doesn't wanna lose obviously and i think they will be agressive in the upcoming draft and free agents signings. I have some realistic ideas for hawks fans.

To CHI:
• Jason Demers
To ARI:
• Brent Seabrook
• 8th Overall Pick
• Dylan Sikura

To CHI:
• Alex Galchenyuk
To MTL:
• Artem Anisimov
• 3rd Round Pick

To CHI:
• Sam Bennett
To CGY:
• Anthony Duclair

Chicago signs James Van Riemsdyk and Calvin De Haan.


Brandon Saad - Jonathan Toews - Alex DeBrincat
Alex Galchenyuk - Nick Schmaltz - Patrick Kane
James Van Riemsdyk - Sam Bennett - Patrick Sharp
Tomas Jurco - David Kampf - Andreas Martinsen

Duncan Keith - Connor Murphy
Erik Gustafsson - Jason Demers
Jordan Oesterle - Calvin De Haan

11 Jun 2018 06:54:28
hahahahaha galchenyuk for anisimov and 3rd lollll dream on.

ansimov is 30 and had about 30 points last year galchenyuk is 24, u crazy?

11 Jun 2018 07:53:57
seabrook, sikura and 8th overall for demers? i get that seabrook's contract sucks but a top 10 draft pick to compensate for demers? if i'm giving away a top 10 draft pick i'd want something better in return.

11 Jun 2018 09:14:12
Seabrooks contract is humungous pkane88.

11 Jun 2018 19:37:44
You said this is realistic. Are you sure about that?

15 Jun 2018 18:39:05
listen all the experts are warning montreal not to trade galchenyuk, so why are you alway under evaluating him, the reason he is in so many trade rumor is everybody wants him.

10 Jun 2018 22:48:58
There is no doubt the hawks are trying to get back into the playoffs. Here are a few trades and signings to bolster their roster.

To Blackhawks
D Justin Faulk
G Scott Darling (20% Retained)

To Hurricanes
2018 1st (27th overall)
D Chad Krys
F John Hayden
2018 5th


Put Hossa's contract on LTIR
Frees up about $5,000,000


Sign James van Riemsdyk and Calvin De Haan


To Blackhawks
D Jake Gardiner
2019 2nd
2020 3rd

To Maple Leafs
D Brent Seabrook
2019 5th
Graham Knott


Hawks lineups
Saad-Toews-DeBrincat
van Riemsdyk-Schmaltz-Kane
Duclair-Anisimov-Sikura
Hinostroza-Martinsen-Sharp

Keith-Faulk
Gardiner-Murphy
De Haan-Oesterle/Rutta

Crawford
Darling

11 Jun 2018 02:49:18
Not a chance I’d take on seabrooks contract without top prospects and 1st round picks coming back. To trade a good top 4 Dman in Jake Gardiner who only makes 4 mill to take on an older top 4 Dman, with a ton of hard miles on him and a contract at almost $7mill taking him till he’s like 40 is suicide for a team with all that young talent.

11 Jun 2018 08:27:41
Horrible trade for the Hurricanes.

10 Jun 2018 22:36:25
There is no doubt the hawks are trying to get back into the playoffs. Here are a few trades and signings to bolster their roster.

To Blackhawks
D Justin Faulk
G Scott Darling (20% Retained)

To Hurricanes
2018 1st (27th overall)
D Chad Krys
F John Hayden
2018 5th


Put Hossa's contract on LTIR
Frees up about $5,000,000


Sign James van Riemsdyk and Calvin De Haan


To Blackhawks
D Jake Gardiner
2019 2nd
2020 3rd

To Maple Leafs
D Brent Seabrook
2019 5th
Graham Knott


Hawks lineups
Saad-Toews-DeBrincat
van Riemsdyk-Schmaltz-Kane
Duclair-Anisimov-Sikura
Hinostroza-Martinsen-Sharp

Keith-Faulk
Gardiner-Murphy
De Haan-Oesterle/Rutta

Crawford
Darling

11 Jun 2018 02:47:43
Hahahahahahahaha both Carolina and Toronto block Chicago’s number and release this god awful proposal to the public to laugh at aswell.

07 Jun 2018 11:11:57
Apparently the Blackhawks won't tolerate being bad this year and will make a massive offer for Tavares. Also Ducks have requested Perry's no trade list and the Pens are looking to trade Kessel.
I got a couple trades i can think of.

To CHI
• John Tavares
To NYI
• Nick Schmaltz
• Corey Crawford
• Alex DeBrincat

To CHI
• Corey Perry
To ANA
• 1st Round Pick
• Artem Anisimov

To CHI
• Phil Kessel
To PIT
• Brent Seabrook
• Anthony Duclair

To CHI
• Sam Bennett
To CGY
• John Hayden
• 2nd Round Pick

Brandon Saad - Jonathan Toews - Patrick Kane
Phil Kessel - John Tavares - Corey Perry
Tomas Jurco - Sam Bennett - Patrick Sharp
Vince Hinostroza - David Kampf - Andreas Martinsen

Imagine those lines!!!!!

07 Jun 2018 12:29:06
Trade 1 - Let's trade our future and the franchise goalie for a twenty extra days to convince JT to sign

Trade 2 - Future young star for aging overpayed winger

Trade 3 - C'mon it's 2018, not 2010. Seabrook's contract in one of the worst in the league, adding Duclair only lessens the nagative value and you want an NHL Top10 scoring forward in return? (and slot him on his off wing)

Trade 4 - This one only is close to fair.


Sharp has retired, Martinsen is a UFA and propably won't be back. Also who is Hawks starting goalie in this scenario?

07 Jun 2018 13:56:43
1) salary cap
2) giving away futures much?

07 Jun 2018 21:17:08
So what happens after John Tavares refuses to sign in Chicago then resigns in New York after they get those premium assets?

02 Jun 2018 22:00:37
Sources saying Blackhawks won't tolerate being bad again and will make a huge offer for Tavares. But they need to shed cap obviously before they can do that.

#1 Trade
To AZ:
• Marian Hossa (Dump)
• 8th Overall
• Matthew Highmore
To CHI:
• Future Considerations

#2 Trade
To NYI:
• Corey Crawford
• Alex Debrincat
• Artem Anisimov
• 2nd Round Pick
To CHI:
• John Tavares (verbal agreement to resign)

#3 Trade
To PIT:
• Connor Murphy
• 2019 1st Round Pick
• Anthony Duclair
To CHI:
• Phil Kessel

Projected Line-up Chicago

Brandon Saad - Jonathan Toews - Patrick Kane
Tomas Jurco - John Tavares - Phil Kessel
Andreas Martinsen - Nick Schmaltz - Patrick Sharp

02 Jun 2018 22:28:22
100% won't happen.
Chicago is declining and should just start a complete rebuild.
Keith, Seabrook are old. Toews is now a 50-55 point player, Saad sucks, and Kane is by himself.

If they even DO sign Tavares (and they wont) Does that mean Toews will be a second line center? He earns like 10.5 million per season. Not happening.

Also, there's no way Chicago trades the 8th overall for absolutely nothing. ''Future Considerations'' is nothing. Even if it means getting rid of Hossa's contract.

Phil Kessel is worth more than a top 4 defenceman, a bottom 6 forward and a pick that might be anywhere from 1-15. They won't trade Kessel for to gamble on the lottery.

02 Jun 2018 23:44:38
They’d be giving up a lot of youth and probably get worse. Not a good idea for Chicago IMO.

02 Jun 2018 23:54:31
You also barely cleaned out any cap considering Johnny T going to get atleast 10 mil and kessel is around 6 or so?

03 Jun 2018 01:17:17
1. You can put Hossa on LTIR because of his skin condition so his cap hit dosent go against the cap so there goes that deal. Not very well thought out.

2.Why wouldn’t they just sign him for free that deal is silly at most his rights are worth a 2nd round pick tops

3. How does this make the pens better in anyway?

Terrible post.

03 Jun 2018 02:47:17
FIrst trade is brutal. Can just place Hossa on LTIR.

And definite no to the NYI trade. No need to get a verbal agreement at this time; either try to sign him on July 1st or dont. No need to give up that many assets.

Third trade imo is underwhelming for Phil, but i genuinelly don't think CHI should want/ need him.

29 May 2018 12:22:29
OTT: Brent Seabrook, #8,#27, 2019 2nd
CHI: Bobby Ryan, Alex Burrows, Mike Condon, #5

Bad contracts flip. OTT trades down where they can still get a good defenseman. Ryan might do well in Chicago with Kane if he can stay healthy. Two forward spots for youngsters open up in Ottawa. Ottawa could package the Chi and Pit pick to move up in the first.

29 May 2018 13:33:31
Sorry. that should be #4.

30 May 2018 14:55:42
Ottawa laughs at this and hangs up. Ottawa in no way sacrifices the 4th to move Ryan, especially not for that return lol. Ryan is a much bigger asset to his team than Seabrook is and Seabrook is one of the worst contracts in the league and yes is a much worst over payment than Ryan.

The objective is to make our current situation better, NOT worse.

27 May 2018 10:41:05
to Florida
Saad

to Chicago
Mamin
2nd

Florida has good center depth but are lacking on the wing. Saad's contract is probably something Chicago would like to get rid of, but can be handled by a team like Florida with their core all signed long term.

21 May 2018 15:55:25
Matt Martin (LW - 2.5 Million x 2 Years - 25% Salary Retention) and 2018 4th Round Selection to the Minnesota Wild in exchange for Tyler Ennis (C/ LW - 4.2 Million x 1 Year)

- Similar contracts and cap totals being swapped; one at less of a hit for an additional cost. Martin is worse than Ennis, so the pick is added, however, Ennis’ production for his cap hit is pretty worrisome. Toronto needs more cap hit for the 2019/ 20 season because of Matthews&Marner’s contracts, so they can afford the pricy tag for Ennis for the next year. If Minny wants free agents, then it makes more sense for them to take the cheaper contract, albeit for an extra year.

Jake Gardiner (D - 4.05 Million x 1 Year) to the Chicago Blackhawks in exchange for Connor Murphy (D - 3.85 Million x 4 Years) and 2018 3rd Round Selection.

- Chicago could use an offensively minded dman, Toronto could use a defensive oriented one. Although Murphy has a longer term, and is locked down for longer, Gardiner is the superior dman based on the previous seasons statistics, and that's why Chicago adds the 3rd Round Pick. Gardiner could be useful alongside a true DFD like Brent Seabrook, and Murphy could partner well with Morgan Rielly.

2018 3rd Round Selection (Chicago) + Curtis McElhinney (G - 0.8 Million x 1 Year) + 2019 4th Round Selection to the Dallas Stars in exchange for Valeri Nichushkin (LW - Rights - Contract Extension: 2.25 Million x 3 Years) .

- Dallas acquires two draft picks and a cheap backup goalie to aid Ben Bishop, in order to not overplay him during the season. Mac played better than Lehtonen, and tbh, Dallas needs to move on from him. Toronto acquires a wild card: a guy who was a 30 point man in his first stint in the NHL, and a guy who has been 0.5 PPG in the KHL. He could be great alongside Auston, or could bust out, be worse than Connor Brown, and then defect back to Russia.

2018 2nd Round Selection + Josh Leivo (RW - 0.75 Million x 1 Year) to the Philadelphia Flyers in exchange for Samuel Morin (D - RFA - Contract Extension: 1.5 Million x 2 Years) + 2018 5th Round Selection.

- Philly has a ton of young dmen (Prov, Ghost, Hagg, Sanheim, Myers), as well as some veterans such as Gudas, so Morin seems expandable, especially since his growth has somewhat stunted in Phillys farm system. Its possible he could use a fresh start, and maybe he could turn it around, especially on a team that could certainly use DFD. Philly gets a bottom six winger who never got a chance in Toronto, and a decent pick around 55th overall. Toronto gets a guy who could be a solid DFD for the future, or a guy who may be no more than a 5-6 dman.

Draft:

(C) Vitaly Kravtsov - MHL:
Comparable: Evgeny Kuznetsov
Rankings: Between 15-25.

If not.

(D) Mattias Samuelson - USA
Strengths: Hitting, Defensive Responsibility.
Rankings: 21-25.

Extensions:
William Nylander - C/ RW - 5.75 Million x 7 Years
Tyler Bozak - C - 3.0 Million x 1 Year
Andreas Johnsson - LW - 1.75 Million x 3 Years
Auston Matthews - C - 10.0 Million x 8 Years
Mitch Marner - RW - 7.0 Million x 8 Years)

Free Agency:
John Carlson - D - 8.0 Million x 7 Years

Lineup:
Valeri Nichushkin (2.25 Million) - Auston Matthews (ELC) - Mitch Marner (ELC)
Patrick Marleau (6.25 Million) - Nazem Kadri (4.5 Million) - William Nylander (5.75 Million)
Andreas Johnsson (1.75 Million) - Tyler Bozak (3.0 Million) - Kasperi Kapanen (0.85 Million)
Zach Hyman (2.25 Million) - Par Lindholm (0.85 Million) - Connor Brown (2.1 Million)
*Tyler Ennis (4.2 Million), Miro Aaltonen (0.8 Million)

Travis Dermott (ELC) - John Carlson (8.0 Million)
Morgan Rielly (5.0 Million) - Connor Murphy (3.85 Million)
Ron Hainsey (3.0 Million) - Nikita Zaitsev (4.25 Million)
*Samuel Morin (1.5 Million), Igor Ozhiganov (0.8 Million)

Frederik Andersen (5.0 Million)
Garrett Sparks (0.85 Million)

Total Cap: 68.725 Million
- Fourth line is the checking line against teams top lines, Hyman, Brown and Lindholm are all defensively responsible and will be the matchup line.

When Matthews and Marner and Dermotts extensions kick in.

Lineup:
Valeri Nichushkin (2.25 Million) - Auston Matthews (10.0 Million) - Mitch Marner 7.0 Million)
Patrick Marleau (6.25 Million) - Nazem Kadri (4.5 Million) - William Nylander (5.75 Million)
Andreas Johnsson (1.75 Million) - Miro Aaltonen (0.8 Million) - Kasperi Kapanen (0.85 Million)
Zach Hyman (2.25 Million) - Par Lindholm (0.85 Million) - Connor Brown (2.1 Million)
*Carl Grundstrom (ELC), Trevor Moore (ELC)

Travis Dermott (0.875 Million) - John Carlson (8.0 Million)
Morgan Rielly (5.0 Million) - Connor Murphy (3.8 Million)
Samuel Morin (1.5 Million) - Nikita Zaitsev (4.25 Million)
*Andreas Borgman (0.875 Million)

Frederik Andersen (5.0 Million)
Garrett Sparks (0.85 Million)

Total Cap: 76.525 Million

With the cap going up, this seems reasonable. If not, a Marleau trade could happen and could become a legitimate possibility.

21 May 2018 18:21:17
U know what u put a lot of thought and energy into this so I read the who thing, some things are questionable? But for the most part very realistic and in depth.

21 May 2018 19:06:29
There is just way to many variables for this to be believable IMO I do like a lot of those ideas tho but I think Carlson gets more and I’d rather a different package for Gardiner and I’m sure Chicago would want more term then 1 year with Gardiner. Valeri Nichuskinin is pretty redundant although I do like him not sure if Dallas Bites.

21 May 2018 19:07:32
Lol ty @Kings.

I didn't have much to do over the long weekend so I decided to make a post regarding what I'd like the leafs future to be like.

16 May 2018 03:13:35
Arizona:OEL
Chicago: 8th Overall, 27th Overall, 2019 2nd,2020 2nd

Would this be enough for OEL?

16 May 2018 07:05:21
I bet you Arizona takes those low picks but also want an established player as well.

16 May 2018 14:33:40
And Chicago can’t afford to give up all those young pieces for one year of OEL. They need young cheap players coming in. And would have a really hard time keeping OEL past this season unless big money left somewhere, either to Arizona in this deal or elsewhere. And if it’s seabrook leaving, you’re including other young good cheap assets to do it. If it’s kieth, Crawford, Kane or toews leaving then you’re losing some of the intrigue to want to play there in the first place. I think it’s a bad fit all around.

16 May 2018 15:13:34
Ya i'd think theyd ask for the two first rd picks which are great and maybe a roster player. But Chicago honestly should keep they're draft pick they're already old and Ik Ekman Larson isn't just 26 but still huge age gap between 18 year old player and 26-27 year old players.

16 May 2018 15:16:06
Chicago should keep those 2 picks and get a good young player in the draft maybe Walstrom or Takchuck if he falls out of the top 5 like he probably will. I see Vancouver getting Ekman Larsob tho because they already have a bunch of good young players and need a star LHD.

16 May 2018 15:53:04
Arizona needs to start winning hockey games this season. If they trade OEL, they need a decent established player coming back. As somebody else mentioned to which I'll reiterate, Chicago needs young, cheap players not a year of OEL.

13 May 2018 13:28:22
Chicago needs to get one of their big contracts off the books and get younger.

Columbus on the other hand needs an upgrade at C, someone whose experience could help them take the next step.

So...

To CBJ:
Jonathan Toews

To CHI:
Alexander Wennberg
Vitaly Abramov
2018 1st
Brandon Dubinsky


About Toews. He has a NMC and would only waive it to go to a contender (which Columbus is IMO). His contract is an issue so the Hawks need to take back a bad contract (Dubinsky). He fits better as an elite 2C and that would be his role in Columbus.

Chicago would want young pieces as a return. Wennberg takes his spot as Top6 C right away. Abramov is a very promising winger with top6 potential as well. Adding the first round pick may seem as an overpayment but that's exactly what it would take for Chicago to part with their captain and franchise favourite.

13 May 2018 14:58:51
I like it good trade.

13 May 2018 16:01:30
doubt jackets do toews for Wennberg 1 for 1. age and contract.

13 May 2018 16:58:52
Towes is so much better then Wenneberg tho Towes could put up 70+ points easily if he didn’t commit as much defensively.

13 May 2018 19:56:34
Easy no from Chicago. Toews isn't being traded. And if he was he would bring back multiple offers better than this.

13 May 2018 19:51:16
Way too much from Columbus are you kidding me? With Toews contract (10.5 million a year for another 6 years) if Chicago wants to trade him they are going to realize that they won't try a ton in balie because of the contract and because he's approaching 30. That like mtl fans (yes I am one) thinking we can get a ton for Price. i'm sorry but with that contract even Price at his best is not worth a first, young top 6 center, young possible top 6 winger and a decent little overpaid third liner. Not thanks from Columbus Dubinksi contract is out in 2 years anyways and he's actually decent third line.

13 May 2018 19:53:53
Yes I agree he is better then Wenberg but with the age factor and the fact that this trade proposed has a first and a A minus prospect involved its not even close. Even with Dubinski the sordove cap dump.

11 May 2018 21:50:45
Chicago Trades: Corey Crawford
New York Islanders Trade: Jaroslav Halak and Brock Nelson.

12 May 2018 01:28:42
No from Chicago imo if they trade him they may as well trade Kane and Towes for picks.

12 May 2018 01:47:31
Blackhawks would want someone younger than Nelson, and the Islanders would probably prefer that too. Maybe someone like Beauvillier or Ho-Sang.

01 May 2018 06:08:44
Buffalo: Ryan O'Rielly, Kyle Okposo and 1st 2019*

Chicago: Johnathan Towes ( NMC ) and Corey Crawford

*Buffalo can choose to make pick a 2020 1st

Buffalo: Gets a great playoff presence and Leader in Towes who could bounce back with a change of scenery. He would be an amazing 2nd line shutdown Center. Corey Crawford would give them a reliable starting goalie.

Chicago: Gains cap space and signals a full rebuild

16 Apr 2018 20:36:45
Canuck sutter stecher sven

Blackhawks seabrooks john hayden 1 rd pick

16 Apr 2018 22:53:01
1st round pick? prob not. maybe 2nd.

16 Apr 2018 23:47:00
Sven has more vaulue then hayden stecher could get a 2 sutter could get a 2 with out taking on one of the worst nhl contracts.

14 Apr 2018 00:30:01
Would this be legal

Blackhawks toew kane

Canucks 7 rd pick

Canucks toews kane retain 2.5 each for 3 years

Blackhawks 1 rd pick ?

14 Apr 2018 07:20:32
No. If you retain money on a players salary it is for entire contract.

And let me get this right, Did you just try to trade a 7th for two players. Then turn around and try to trade them back to that same team for a 1st but retain salary for only 3 years? W. T. F. 😳😳😳😳

You think the Blackhawks would trade a 1sr round draft pick for $5M in cap space for 3 years. You really are some kind of special.

14 Apr 2018 08:47:24
Also just from a owner view that's 15 million dollas for a player of 30 percent of having a nhl career so yeah.

14 Apr 2018 13:37:19
A. You can not retain salaries for a portion of the contract.
B. The Canucks can not leagally take on 21 million dollars
C. This is a huge violation of the CBA
D. Johnathan Towes and Patrick Kane for a 7th round pick? Really

My mind is blown this is ridiculous.

14 Apr 2018 13:49:18
Hopefully this is a troll. Please Brock, just admit your trolling. I mean, like there's no other explanation.

14 Apr 2018 16:16:52
Wow . I'm not even sure what I just read.?

14 Apr 2018 17:26:42
Hahaha this is good.

14 Apr 2018 17:36:38
Every time i think we have hit rock bottom, someone comes along and says “you think that’s Rock bottom? Read this! ”.

13 Apr 2018 03:04:50
Flyers have cap space for 2018-19 and potentially need a third line centre until prospects can come up. They also need another RHD prospect and scoring winger prospects and have an abundance of LHD players and prospects (Sanheim, Morin, Hagg, Provorov, Gostisbehere).

Dallas desperately needs secondary scoring from resilient (non-injury prone) players.

Ottawa needs prospects - lots of them.

Trade 1:
DAL: Simmonds ($3.975MM NTC until 2019)
PHI: 2018 1st (13th overall), 2018 2nd, 2018 CHI 4th, Jason Spezza ($7.5MM until 2019 M-NTC/NMC) (cap dump)
Simmonds accepts because he'll want a new deal in a state tax free jurisdiction and Dallas has cap space. Spezza accepts because the Flyers are in the playoffs this year and present a better opportunity to win next year)

Trade 2:
PHI: 2018 1st (2nd overall)
OTT: STL 2018 1st (14th overall), PHI 2018 (19th overall), Sam Morin, Mike Vecchione
(Morin is NHL ready and would've been on the roster but for Travis Sanheim, Dave Hakstol, and 2 injuries. Vecchione is NHL ready with a 3C ceiling)

Flyers draft:
2nd overall: Andrei Svechnikov or Brady Tkachuk
13th overall: Bode Wilde, Ryan Merkeley, or Grigori Denisenko

13 Apr 2018 05:55:22
haven't gostisbehere and provorov played the last 2-3 seasons?

13 Apr 2018 06:30:40
Tkatchuk 2nd overall yikes man better options! But fits their org mold for sure. Also for sure not trading Vecchione, guy chose to sign there they won’t trade him.

13 Apr 2018 12:26:54
Dallas won’t trade that pick as they are hosting the draft. And imo that’s not enough to move up to 2nd overall.

13 Apr 2018 15:55:40
PKane88: yes, Provorov has been playing for 2 years and Ghost for 3 years. That's why I said players and prospects.

McJesus: I've seen Tkachuk as high as second but on average 4th overall. I haven't seen Tkachuk, Svechnikov etc play so I trust draft boards. The only consensus I've seen in this draft is Dahlin = 1st overall.

I'll disagree on Vecchione. He signed before last year's draft lottery and Nolan Patrick occupying a spot in the lineup. I think Hextall sees Vorobyev as higher than Vecchione. As a more mature college player, his upside is lower but entry to the NHL quicker than a draft pick or Voro. It'd be a favour to Vecchione to get him playing NHL minutes.

vbbbvvbb: they'd be more reluctant to trade it for sure but it's not out of the question. Getting Simmonds and making a splash in free agency (Tavares? Kane? ) would offset any PR backlash by trading a pick. It's a consideration but I couldn't see them keeping it when it would make sense for them to trade it given the right deal.

PS I could also see this type of trade (trading for 2-5 overall) working with other teams that need prospect depth vice top line quality. I could see Ottawa and Arizona looking to trade down for additional 1st round picks. Philadelphia has tremendous depth but need top line quality. New York is looking to trade up as well.
Just my thoughts.

13 Apr 2018 16:04:42
vbbbvvbb: "And imo that’s not enough to move up to 2nd overall" I think it's plenty to move up. This draft is not 2015. It's not enough to get Dahlin but 14th, 19th, Morin, and Vecchione is definitely a solid offer.

Morin is NHL ready and is an immediate improvement to their bottom pair, if not their 4 spot. Although the fact that he's a former 1st rounder is irrelevant, he was drafted as a project with a later NHL entry date. He'd be on the Flyers now if not for aforementioned reasons.

Vecchione will never be a top 6 forward but is a good NHL prospect that is NHL ready. Many Flyers fans argue he should've been on the roster this year but blame Hakstol's infatuation with slow, aging veterans.

This is for 2nd overall, not Jack Eichel 2nd overall. 14th and 19th are quality picks and 2-5 overall doesn't guarantee a game changing player ie Dylan Strome. The value is there.

13 Apr 2018 17:15:10
Imo you overrate Morin. Even with Sanhiem who is much better/ Valuable I doubt the other team would accept.

13 Apr 2018 17:31:50
Frankly, I don't think you know enough about Morin or Sanheim to make that determination. Sure, Sanheim definitely has a higher ceiling.
It was a toss-up as to who would stay with the team after training camp. Both had great camps and if we didn't have so many young defencemen, both would have made it. Morin also would've drawn into the lineup this year after AMac's injury and Gudas' suspension but Morin got hurt. He was snakebitten this year but was certainly meritorous.

2 mid firsts, Morin, and Vecchione is a solid offer that suits the needs of both parties, not a lopsided homer proposal. I'd hate to give up Morin and those picks, but quality is the cost of quality.

13 Apr 2018 20:43:42
I just think you underestimate the value of the 2nd overall pick no it’s not in the same Catagory as Dahlin but the team trading the pick would need to be an offensive loaded team in desperate need of defence and is no where near contention. So possibly Buffalo is really the only choice the asking price would start with Provornov straight up or Ghost++. Regardless top 5 picks don’t get traded.

13 Apr 2018 21:15:04
Ottawa aren't trading that pick
Dream on and enjoy the series.

13 Apr 2018 23:55:20
vbbb: I think you overestimate the 2nd overall pick. These are highly talented yet unproven players. Again, please stop acting like mid-first round picks are worthless. The two leading contenders for the Calder Trophy (Barzal and McAvoy) were taken in the teens. The quality is there. I can name a bunch of recent Top 5 picks that have underwhelmed (Reinharts, Yakupov, E Lindholm, Bennett, Dal Colle, D Strome, Juolevi) .

For teams looking for a complete rebuild that who miss out on Dahlin, getting two picks in the teens and a solid prospect is worthwhile. One can argue that Ottawa and Arizona need prospect depth and should sacrifice quality for less quality but quantity. All of those top teams need a Dahlin, but there's a distinct difference between 1 and 2. It's a reasonable strategy. The teams that could trade that pick suck overall and could use any player, but the logic is that two players are better than one and quality picks occur in the teens.

Any team would love to have Dahlin, but the Flyers are one of the last teams that need him given their quality and youth on defence.

13 Apr 2018 23:57:59
Keyhabs: I'm a cynic by nature so I'll assume the "enjoy the series" remark was directed at the Flyers playing Spearing Sidney and the Cowardly Pengwhines. If so, stones and glass houses and such. Enjoy the offseason with Bergevin with a cancerous Weber contract, no starting centre, a thin prospect pool, and a listless captain leading to a decade of mediocrity.

14 Apr 2018 01:05:13
Arizona does not need depth they’re pretty loaded could use another dman and Center. Ottawa has good depth at all positions imo. Neither team is looking to trade that pick only team that could potentially is Edmonton and they’re searching for a different package. Maybe Simmonds and Ghost for Tkachuk? That’s what I’d ask for if I were Edmonton. A potential gritty presence that’s will likely put up 30-40-70 seasons considering he’s more hyped then his bro who is already a Cornerstone piece.

14 Apr 2018 03:46:04
Just took a quick overview of Zthe sens prospect pool there C depth is very solid but they do need a stud dman. So I think a Provornov-Svechnikov/ Tkachuk swap would be fair.

14 Apr 2018 16:48:25
vbbb: Arizona has lots of top prospects (if you consider Dylan Strome to still be a top prospect) but little depth. Ottawa does not have a strong prospect pool. In fact, the Hockey Writers ranked them 27/ 31 at the start of this season. The Senators need depth; they need everything. I suggested Arizona and Ottawa because several pundits (I can't find the article) suggested that they consider trading down. Dorion very recently ruled it out.

You completely underestimate Ghost and Provorov. Provorov is a #1 defenceman at 21 years old and was tied for the most goals among defencemen in the league this year. Ghost finished with 65 points, 3 off the lead for defencemen. Their analytics numbers were through the roof; they didn't get much credit because they were only paired together the last 3 third of the season.

It's hilarious that you think Simmonds+Ghost = Tkachuk. I'd take Ghost over Matthew Tkachuk right now. Provorov for Tkachuk is an even bigger joke.

You're clueless.

14 Apr 2018 18:26:27
Ghost is 1 dimensional I’ll take Mathew Tkachuk over him any day. Obviously Provornov is amazing and almost any team besides Carolina/ Nashville/ Calargry would take Provornov over Brady Tkachuk both will be elite. But you don’t trade a top 5 pick unless it’s an offer so ridiculous you can’t say no to.

14 Apr 2018 19:51:08
Ghost is far from 1 dimensional. He's been a very complete defenceman this year and managed to rack up 65 points. 65 points! Again, you're clueless. Any team would take Provorov, proven at the NHL level, over a talented yet ultimately unproven entity in Brady Tkachuk. Furthermore, Provorov is a better defenceman than Matthew Tkachuk is a forward.

"But you don’t trade a top 5 pick unless it’s an offer so ridiculous you can’t say no to" Again, this assumes that the top 5 pick is a surefire NHL star, which it's not. Hello Dylan Strome, Nail Yakupov etc. 14th and 19th overall gives you two quality players.

14 Apr 2018 20:30:57
I believe Brady Tkachuk>>Mathew Tkachuk and I’m sure anyone who’s seen both play would agree. Ghost is a younger Kevin Shattenkurk. I don’t claim to be a Flyers fan but from what I’ve seen his minutes are sheltered. Again I don’t watch majority of his games. I like him but I’ll take both Tkachuk over him on a leafs team who needs a RHD so that says a lot. Also you’re talking like 14th and 19th overall are going to play in the NHL. They both have potential to be stars but they’re far more likely to bust while the 2nd overall pick is almost guaranteed to be a cornerstone player. I’m not denying in what you stated Provornov>Tkachuk and I’m not saying flyers should accept it but that’s what it’d take.

14 Apr 2018 22:36:19
Yo 1st off you need to understand that they call it a draft (lottery) for a reason!

Just because ottawa finished 2nd last in the standings it doesn't mean they will get the 2nd overall pick. They won't get lower than the 5th pick but also have the 2nd best odds of getting the "number 1" pick.

That being said, this package yet again is a major low ball offer towards the sens like every other pathetic excuse of a trade proposal most of you people post. Get real and start basing returns on their players and assets with actually value not your own messed up thoughts on how they aren't worth equal value to their other team equivalents!

14 Apr 2018 23:46:09
vbbb: you admittedly know very little about the Flyers then talk about how Ghost's minutes are sheltered from what you've seen. To correct you yet again, host plays on the top pair with Provorov and goes against the other team's best lines. The only favourable minutes he gets is on the power play. Ghost was a younger Kevin Shattenkirk when he first entered the league, but not know. Catch up. You keep digging the hole deeper for yourself.

"I like him but I’ll take both Tkachuk over him on a leafs team who needs a RHD so that says a lot" this implies, but it's not explicitly stated, that Ghost is a RHD. He's not, he plays RD but is left handed. Again, you're clueless.

The second overall pick is not almost guaranteed to be a cornerstone player. Again, Yakupov, Murray, Strome etc. And I don't talk as though mid-firsts are guaranteed to be NHL players; you fail to recognize the fact that there are two mid-firsts. Teams wanting to hedge their bets and get two quality players can trade down vice taking the chance to get one very skilled player but it turn out to be a Yakupov.

14 Apr 2018 23:52:15
"Yo 1st off you need to understand that they call it a draft (lottery) for a reason! " No sh*t Sherlock, but it makes it way more difficult to propose a trade with %7.5 chance of the 3rd overall pick etc. It would be impossible to propose a trade otherwise so we assume the draft lottery plays out like the percentages indicate.

As to your last paragraph, I base mine off the value of draft picks by Scott Cullen at TSN and Stats Sports Consulting. My proposed trade of PHI-OTT is below:

Cullen:
2nd overall: 7.79

14th overall: 5.25
19th overall: 4.44

Even without Morin and Vecchione, it's technically overpayment.

SCS:
2nd overall: 871

14th overall: 456
19th overall: 364

Morin and Vecchione certainly bridge the 51 point gap.

"Get real and start basing returns on their players and assets with actually value not your own messed up thoughts on how they aren't worth equal value to their other team equivalents"

Who has the messed up thoughts? You're clueless.

15 Apr 2018 16:17:23
14th and 19th pick have what? A 30 to 35% chance at best of making a real impact in the nhl and not just being role players. They are very rare.
Top 10 have a 50 to 65% chance of making that impact while top 5 are between 70 and 85% which is all but a guarrenteed they'll be something.
This is the equivalent of trading Erik karlsson for yannik Weber and Ben Ryan. who you ask? Exactly my point, it's a trade no-one in there right mind would even consider.

If ottawa had any intention of moving that pick, especially not knowing if it'll turn into the 1st or not and I'm not saying they should because I wouldn't, it would be the islanders who would have the best shot at landing it.

Nyi : both 1sts they own (8th and 10th overall), the rights to Tavares

Ott : Ottawa's 1st (top 5 overall no matter what but best projected at 1 or 2), and either gaborik, Smith, and burrows or Ryan, and gaborik.

Islanders take the risk at 1 or 2 by giving 2 top 10 with the lowest odds at number 1 plus the rights to a superstar who refuses to resign with them and might very well refuse ottawa too and taking on 2 big cap hits one (ryan) who is still a good threat offensively for reasons I've stated in the past.

Ottawa loses its best chance at dahlin but gains 2 more slight chances to move up in a weak draft year and a shot to sign Tavares before anyone else talks to him all while dumping 2 huge contracts which would free the money needed to sign Tavares as well as EK and stone.

Trade value of draft picks example I have off the top of my head is the 2008 draft class when ottawa traded the 17th overall pick plus a 3rd round pick that year to move up just 2 spots to 15th and draft Erik karlsson.
keep in mind that no-one at that point in time could have ever imagined that EK would go on to become the best defenceman in the world.
But a trade for a pick only 2 spots higher costed them a 3rd on top of theirs for a pick that wasn't even top 10.
Trades like this happen every single year and thus if the 15th is worth that much then 1 or 2 with most definitely be worth a whole lot more

15 Apr 2018 16:39:31
If you’re offered to Role the dice between- Tyler Seguin, Gabriel Landeskog, Ryan Murray, Alexander Barkov, Sam Rienhart, Jack Eichel, Patrick Liane and Nolan Patrick or a package of Ghost and Simmonds. I’m rolling the dice especially considering Svechnikov is much more Hyped then Rienhart, Murray and probably Patrick.

15 Apr 2018 16:54:56
Firstly, I doubt Svechnikov is more hyped than Reinhart, Murray, and Patrick. There's a recency effect at play; we only remember Reinhart now that he's underwhelmed rather than remembering his pre-draft hype.

Secondly, I didn't propose Simmonds and Ghost for X player. However, Ghost is better than at least half of your list and that doesn't include Simmonds.

15 Apr 2018 16:59:20
NoBiasRambo:

Your Ottawa trade is massive overpayment by the Islanders. Do me a favour and post that in its own thread.

Where did you come up with those numbers in the start of your post? ie the 30-35%, 50-65%, and 70-85% chance? Let me guess - these are your own messed up thoughts.

"This is the equivalent of trading Erik karlsson for yannik Weber and Ben Ryan. who you ask? Exactly my point, it's a trade no-one in there right mind would even consider. "

This is the most idiotic statement I've read on here in a while and is not at all what I suggested. I proposed trading draft picks, not NHL players. There's a massive difference between trading upcoming draft picks and real NHL players, especially veterans like the ones you cited. No sane person proposes trades of veteran players based on their draft position. Give your head a shake.

15 Apr 2018 23:24:13
How on earth is that possibly an over payment from the islanders easy e? Like get real dude!

Tavares and Josh Bailey will not be back in New York next season. frees up over 12 million which is more than enough to take on either of those packages. Ryan provides some of the scoring they'll miss from JT as well. and any of the top 3 PICKS are and always have been worth at least 2 top 5 to 10 picks. if it ends up being 1st overall this year with dahlin as the prize then that alone is worth everything they gave up just based on his hype alone. outside the top 5 this is a very weak draft class as well. ottawa is basically hoping one of those picks breaks in to top 3 via lottery odds if anything.

16 Apr 2018 00:52:37
I’ll definitely take Landeskog, Seguin, Eichel, Liane and Barkov over Ghost. I’ll even roll the dice on Patrick watching him play I think he has tremendous potential.

24 Mar 2018 21:32:04
Oilers:
P. Kane LW
3rd 2020

Blackhawks:
L. Draisaitl C
3rd 2019

Sabers:
D. Keith D

Blackhawks:
S. Reinhart C

Hurricanes:
J. Toews C
2nd 2019

Blackhawks:
J. Faulk D
J. Skinner LW

24 Mar 2018 21:57:02
No from hawks

No from sabres

No from hurricanes.

24 Mar 2018 23:12:38
Patrick Kane for Leon Draisiatal?


From which of dantes seven hells did you pull that from?

25 Mar 2018 00:47:13
The 1st one is intriguing, Buffalo would be dumb to trade for a old d man when they clearly aren’t going to be contenders in the near future. I’d say toews and the pick would be close for Faulk alone, but not both Faulk and skinner. skinner is a very low key player I think he puts up good numbers on a team that isn’t too good offensively.

25 Mar 2018 03:55:15
Damn where do I start reading.

25 Mar 2018 16:02:02
Id say no from Chi unless another prospect like Bear is included with Drai for Kane. No from Buff Reinhart is only 20 and keith 35 and almost retired. i'm sure Keitj has value maybe a late first to a contender at the dealine but not a young 20 year old center who could become a 50-60 point player for years to come.

25 Mar 2018 22:51:58
Lol colt you need some help bru.

26 Mar 2018 02:28:41
Just don't pay attention to Colt anymore. Trolling or delusional a f.

 
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