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16 Apr 2018 20:36:45
Canuck sutter stecher sven

Blackhawks seabrooks john hayden 1 rd pick

16 Apr 2018 22:53:01
1st round pick? prob not. maybe 2nd.

16 Apr 2018 23:47:00
Sven has more vaulue then hayden stecher could get a 2 sutter could get a 2 with out taking on one of the worst nhl contracts.

14 Apr 2018 00:30:01
Would this be legal

Blackhawks toew kane

Canucks 7 rd pick

Canucks toews kane retain 2.5 each for 3 years

Blackhawks 1 rd pick ?

14 Apr 2018 07:20:32
No. If you retain money on a players salary it is for entire contract.

And let me get this right, Did you just try to trade a 7th for two players. Then turn around and try to trade them back to that same team for a 1st but retain salary for only 3 years? W. T. F. 😳😳😳😳

You think the Blackhawks would trade a 1sr round draft pick for $5M in cap space for 3 years. You really are some kind of special.

14 Apr 2018 08:47:24
Also just from a owner view that's 15 million dollas for a player of 30 percent of having a nhl career so yeah.

14 Apr 2018 13:37:19
A. You can not retain salaries for a portion of the contract.
B. The Canucks can not leagally take on 21 million dollars
C. This is a huge violation of the CBA
D. Johnathan Towes and Patrick Kane for a 7th round pick? Really

My mind is blown this is ridiculous.

14 Apr 2018 13:49:18
Hopefully this is a troll. Please Brock, just admit your trolling. I mean, like there's no other explanation.

14 Apr 2018 16:16:52
Wow . I'm not even sure what I just read.?

14 Apr 2018 17:26:42
Hahaha this is good.

14 Apr 2018 17:36:38
Every time i think we have hit rock bottom, someone comes along and says “you think that’s Rock bottom? Read this! ”.

13 Apr 2018 03:04:50
Flyers have cap space for 2018-19 and potentially need a third line centre until prospects can come up. They also need another RHD prospect and scoring winger prospects and have an abundance of LHD players and prospects (Sanheim, Morin, Hagg, Provorov, Gostisbehere).

Dallas desperately needs secondary scoring from resilient (non-injury prone) players.

Ottawa needs prospects - lots of them.

Trade 1:
DAL: Simmonds ($3.975MM NTC until 2019)
PHI: 2018 1st (13th overall), 2018 2nd, 2018 CHI 4th, Jason Spezza ($7.5MM until 2019 M-NTC/NMC) (cap dump)
Simmonds accepts because he'll want a new deal in a state tax free jurisdiction and Dallas has cap space. Spezza accepts because the Flyers are in the playoffs this year and present a better opportunity to win next year)

Trade 2:
PHI: 2018 1st (2nd overall)
OTT: STL 2018 1st (14th overall), PHI 2018 (19th overall), Sam Morin, Mike Vecchione
(Morin is NHL ready and would've been on the roster but for Travis Sanheim, Dave Hakstol, and 2 injuries. Vecchione is NHL ready with a 3C ceiling)

Flyers draft:
2nd overall: Andrei Svechnikov or Brady Tkachuk
13th overall: Bode Wilde, Ryan Merkeley, or Grigori Denisenko

13 Apr 2018 05:55:22
haven't gostisbehere and provorov played the last 2-3 seasons?

13 Apr 2018 06:30:40
Tkatchuk 2nd overall yikes man better options! But fits their org mold for sure. Also for sure not trading Vecchione, guy chose to sign there they won’t trade him.

13 Apr 2018 12:26:54
Dallas won’t trade that pick as they are hosting the draft. And imo that’s not enough to move up to 2nd overall.

13 Apr 2018 15:55:40
PKane88: yes, Provorov has been playing for 2 years and Ghost for 3 years. That's why I said players and prospects.

McJesus: I've seen Tkachuk as high as second but on average 4th overall. I haven't seen Tkachuk, Svechnikov etc play so I trust draft boards. The only consensus I've seen in this draft is Dahlin = 1st overall.

I'll disagree on Vecchione. He signed before last year's draft lottery and Nolan Patrick occupying a spot in the lineup. I think Hextall sees Vorobyev as higher than Vecchione. As a more mature college player, his upside is lower but entry to the NHL quicker than a draft pick or Voro. It'd be a favour to Vecchione to get him playing NHL minutes.

vbbbvvbb: they'd be more reluctant to trade it for sure but it's not out of the question. Getting Simmonds and making a splash in free agency (Tavares? Kane? ) would offset any PR backlash by trading a pick. It's a consideration but I couldn't see them keeping it when it would make sense for them to trade it given the right deal.

PS I could also see this type of trade (trading for 2-5 overall) working with other teams that need prospect depth vice top line quality. I could see Ottawa and Arizona looking to trade down for additional 1st round picks. Philadelphia has tremendous depth but need top line quality. New York is looking to trade up as well.
Just my thoughts.

13 Apr 2018 16:04:42
vbbbvvbb: "And imo that’s not enough to move up to 2nd overall" I think it's plenty to move up. This draft is not 2015. It's not enough to get Dahlin but 14th, 19th, Morin, and Vecchione is definitely a solid offer.

Morin is NHL ready and is an immediate improvement to their bottom pair, if not their 4 spot. Although the fact that he's a former 1st rounder is irrelevant, he was drafted as a project with a later NHL entry date. He'd be on the Flyers now if not for aforementioned reasons.

Vecchione will never be a top 6 forward but is a good NHL prospect that is NHL ready. Many Flyers fans argue he should've been on the roster this year but blame Hakstol's infatuation with slow, aging veterans.

This is for 2nd overall, not Jack Eichel 2nd overall. 14th and 19th are quality picks and 2-5 overall doesn't guarantee a game changing player ie Dylan Strome. The value is there.

13 Apr 2018 17:15:10
Imo you overrate Morin. Even with Sanhiem who is much better/ Valuable I doubt the other team would accept.

13 Apr 2018 17:31:50
Frankly, I don't think you know enough about Morin or Sanheim to make that determination. Sure, Sanheim definitely has a higher ceiling.
It was a toss-up as to who would stay with the team after training camp. Both had great camps and if we didn't have so many young defencemen, both would have made it. Morin also would've drawn into the lineup this year after AMac's injury and Gudas' suspension but Morin got hurt. He was snakebitten this year but was certainly meritorous.

2 mid firsts, Morin, and Vecchione is a solid offer that suits the needs of both parties, not a lopsided homer proposal. I'd hate to give up Morin and those picks, but quality is the cost of quality.

13 Apr 2018 20:43:42
I just think you underestimate the value of the 2nd overall pick no it’s not in the same Catagory as Dahlin but the team trading the pick would need to be an offensive loaded team in desperate need of defence and is no where near contention. So possibly Buffalo is really the only choice the asking price would start with Provornov straight up or Ghost++. Regardless top 5 picks don’t get traded.

13 Apr 2018 21:15:04
Ottawa aren't trading that pick
Dream on and enjoy the series.

13 Apr 2018 23:55:20
vbbb: I think you overestimate the 2nd overall pick. These are highly talented yet unproven players. Again, please stop acting like mid-first round picks are worthless. The two leading contenders for the Calder Trophy (Barzal and McAvoy) were taken in the teens. The quality is there. I can name a bunch of recent Top 5 picks that have underwhelmed (Reinharts, Yakupov, E Lindholm, Bennett, Dal Colle, D Strome, Juolevi) .

For teams looking for a complete rebuild that who miss out on Dahlin, getting two picks in the teens and a solid prospect is worthwhile. One can argue that Ottawa and Arizona need prospect depth and should sacrifice quality for less quality but quantity. All of those top teams need a Dahlin, but there's a distinct difference between 1 and 2. It's a reasonable strategy. The teams that could trade that pick suck overall and could use any player, but the logic is that two players are better than one and quality picks occur in the teens.

Any team would love to have Dahlin, but the Flyers are one of the last teams that need him given their quality and youth on defence.

13 Apr 2018 23:57:59
Keyhabs: I'm a cynic by nature so I'll assume the "enjoy the series" remark was directed at the Flyers playing Spearing Sidney and the Cowardly Pengwhines. If so, stones and glass houses and such. Enjoy the offseason with Bergevin with a cancerous Weber contract, no starting centre, a thin prospect pool, and a listless captain leading to a decade of mediocrity.

14 Apr 2018 01:05:13
Arizona does not need depth they’re pretty loaded could use another dman and Center. Ottawa has good depth at all positions imo. Neither team is looking to trade that pick only team that could potentially is Edmonton and they’re searching for a different package. Maybe Simmonds and Ghost for Tkachuk? That’s what I’d ask for if I were Edmonton. A potential gritty presence that’s will likely put up 30-40-70 seasons considering he’s more hyped then his bro who is already a Cornerstone piece.

14 Apr 2018 03:46:04
Just took a quick overview of Zthe sens prospect pool there C depth is very solid but they do need a stud dman. So I think a Provornov-Svechnikov/ Tkachuk swap would be fair.

14 Apr 2018 16:48:25
vbbb: Arizona has lots of top prospects (if you consider Dylan Strome to still be a top prospect) but little depth. Ottawa does not have a strong prospect pool. In fact, the Hockey Writers ranked them 27/ 31 at the start of this season. The Senators need depth; they need everything. I suggested Arizona and Ottawa because several pundits (I can't find the article) suggested that they consider trading down. Dorion very recently ruled it out.

You completely underestimate Ghost and Provorov. Provorov is a #1 defenceman at 21 years old and was tied for the most goals among defencemen in the league this year. Ghost finished with 65 points, 3 off the lead for defencemen. Their analytics numbers were through the roof; they didn't get much credit because they were only paired together the last 3 third of the season.

It's hilarious that you think Simmonds+Ghost = Tkachuk. I'd take Ghost over Matthew Tkachuk right now. Provorov for Tkachuk is an even bigger joke.

You're clueless.

14 Apr 2018 18:26:27
Ghost is 1 dimensional I’ll take Mathew Tkachuk over him any day. Obviously Provornov is amazing and almost any team besides Carolina/ Nashville/ Calargry would take Provornov over Brady Tkachuk both will be elite. But you don’t trade a top 5 pick unless it’s an offer so ridiculous you can’t say no to.

14 Apr 2018 19:51:08
Ghost is far from 1 dimensional. He's been a very complete defenceman this year and managed to rack up 65 points. 65 points! Again, you're clueless. Any team would take Provorov, proven at the NHL level, over a talented yet ultimately unproven entity in Brady Tkachuk. Furthermore, Provorov is a better defenceman than Matthew Tkachuk is a forward.

"But you don’t trade a top 5 pick unless it’s an offer so ridiculous you can’t say no to" Again, this assumes that the top 5 pick is a surefire NHL star, which it's not. Hello Dylan Strome, Nail Yakupov etc. 14th and 19th overall gives you two quality players.

14 Apr 2018 20:30:57
I believe Brady Tkachuk>>Mathew Tkachuk and I’m sure anyone who’s seen both play would agree. Ghost is a younger Kevin Shattenkurk. I don’t claim to be a Flyers fan but from what I’ve seen his minutes are sheltered. Again I don’t watch majority of his games. I like him but I’ll take both Tkachuk over him on a leafs team who needs a RHD so that says a lot. Also you’re talking like 14th and 19th overall are going to play in the NHL. They both have potential to be stars but they’re far more likely to bust while the 2nd overall pick is almost guaranteed to be a cornerstone player. I’m not denying in what you stated Provornov>Tkachuk and I’m not saying flyers should accept it but that’s what it’d take.

14 Apr 2018 22:36:19
Yo 1st off you need to understand that they call it a draft (lottery) for a reason!

Just because ottawa finished 2nd last in the standings it doesn't mean they will get the 2nd overall pick. They won't get lower than the 5th pick but also have the 2nd best odds of getting the "number 1" pick.

That being said, this package yet again is a major low ball offer towards the sens like every other pathetic excuse of a trade proposal most of you people post. Get real and start basing returns on their players and assets with actually value not your own messed up thoughts on how they aren't worth equal value to their other team equivalents!

14 Apr 2018 23:46:09
vbbb: you admittedly know very little about the Flyers then talk about how Ghost's minutes are sheltered from what you've seen. To correct you yet again, host plays on the top pair with Provorov and goes against the other team's best lines. The only favourable minutes he gets is on the power play. Ghost was a younger Kevin Shattenkirk when he first entered the league, but not know. Catch up. You keep digging the hole deeper for yourself.

"I like him but I’ll take both Tkachuk over him on a leafs team who needs a RHD so that says a lot" this implies, but it's not explicitly stated, that Ghost is a RHD. He's not, he plays RD but is left handed. Again, you're clueless.

The second overall pick is not almost guaranteed to be a cornerstone player. Again, Yakupov, Murray, Strome etc. And I don't talk as though mid-firsts are guaranteed to be NHL players; you fail to recognize the fact that there are two mid-firsts. Teams wanting to hedge their bets and get two quality players can trade down vice taking the chance to get one very skilled player but it turn out to be a Yakupov.

14 Apr 2018 23:52:15
"Yo 1st off you need to understand that they call it a draft (lottery) for a reason! " No sh*t Sherlock, but it makes it way more difficult to propose a trade with %7.5 chance of the 3rd overall pick etc. It would be impossible to propose a trade otherwise so we assume the draft lottery plays out like the percentages indicate.

As to your last paragraph, I base mine off the value of draft picks by Scott Cullen at TSN and Stats Sports Consulting. My proposed trade of PHI-OTT is below:

Cullen:
2nd overall: 7.79

14th overall: 5.25
19th overall: 4.44

Even without Morin and Vecchione, it's technically overpayment.

SCS:
2nd overall: 871

14th overall: 456
19th overall: 364

Morin and Vecchione certainly bridge the 51 point gap.

"Get real and start basing returns on their players and assets with actually value not your own messed up thoughts on how they aren't worth equal value to their other team equivalents"

Who has the messed up thoughts? You're clueless.

15 Apr 2018 16:17:23
14th and 19th pick have what? A 30 to 35% chance at best of making a real impact in the nhl and not just being role players. They are very rare.
Top 10 have a 50 to 65% chance of making that impact while top 5 are between 70 and 85% which is all but a guarrenteed they'll be something.
This is the equivalent of trading Erik karlsson for yannik Weber and Ben Ryan. who you ask? Exactly my point, it's a trade no-one in there right mind would even consider.

If ottawa had any intention of moving that pick, especially not knowing if it'll turn into the 1st or not and I'm not saying they should because I wouldn't, it would be the islanders who would have the best shot at landing it.

Nyi : both 1sts they own (8th and 10th overall), the rights to Tavares

Ott : Ottawa's 1st (top 5 overall no matter what but best projected at 1 or 2), and either gaborik, Smith, and burrows or Ryan, and gaborik.

Islanders take the risk at 1 or 2 by giving 2 top 10 with the lowest odds at number 1 plus the rights to a superstar who refuses to resign with them and might very well refuse ottawa too and taking on 2 big cap hits one (ryan) who is still a good threat offensively for reasons I've stated in the past.

Ottawa loses its best chance at dahlin but gains 2 more slight chances to move up in a weak draft year and a shot to sign Tavares before anyone else talks to him all while dumping 2 huge contracts which would free the money needed to sign Tavares as well as EK and stone.

Trade value of draft picks example I have off the top of my head is the 2008 draft class when ottawa traded the 17th overall pick plus a 3rd round pick that year to move up just 2 spots to 15th and draft Erik karlsson.
keep in mind that no-one at that point in time could have ever imagined that EK would go on to become the best defenceman in the world.
But a trade for a pick only 2 spots higher costed them a 3rd on top of theirs for a pick that wasn't even top 10.
Trades like this happen every single year and thus if the 15th is worth that much then 1 or 2 with most definitely be worth a whole lot more

15 Apr 2018 16:39:31
If you’re offered to Role the dice between- Tyler Seguin, Gabriel Landeskog, Ryan Murray, Alexander Barkov, Sam Rienhart, Jack Eichel, Patrick Liane and Nolan Patrick or a package of Ghost and Simmonds. I’m rolling the dice especially considering Svechnikov is much more Hyped then Rienhart, Murray and probably Patrick.

15 Apr 2018 16:54:56
Firstly, I doubt Svechnikov is more hyped than Reinhart, Murray, and Patrick. There's a recency effect at play; we only remember Reinhart now that he's underwhelmed rather than remembering his pre-draft hype.

Secondly, I didn't propose Simmonds and Ghost for X player. However, Ghost is better than at least half of your list and that doesn't include Simmonds.

15 Apr 2018 16:59:20
NoBiasRambo:

Your Ottawa trade is massive overpayment by the Islanders. Do me a favour and post that in its own thread.

Where did you come up with those numbers in the start of your post? ie the 30-35%, 50-65%, and 70-85% chance? Let me guess - these are your own messed up thoughts.

"This is the equivalent of trading Erik karlsson for yannik Weber and Ben Ryan. who you ask? Exactly my point, it's a trade no-one in there right mind would even consider. "

This is the most idiotic statement I've read on here in a while and is not at all what I suggested. I proposed trading draft picks, not NHL players. There's a massive difference between trading upcoming draft picks and real NHL players, especially veterans like the ones you cited. No sane person proposes trades of veteran players based on their draft position. Give your head a shake.

15 Apr 2018 23:24:13
How on earth is that possibly an over payment from the islanders easy e? Like get real dude!

Tavares and Josh Bailey will not be back in New York next season. frees up over 12 million which is more than enough to take on either of those packages. Ryan provides some of the scoring they'll miss from JT as well. and any of the top 3 PICKS are and always have been worth at least 2 top 5 to 10 picks. if it ends up being 1st overall this year with dahlin as the prize then that alone is worth everything they gave up just based on his hype alone. outside the top 5 this is a very weak draft class as well. ottawa is basically hoping one of those picks breaks in to top 3 via lottery odds if anything.

16 Apr 2018 00:52:37
I’ll definitely take Landeskog, Seguin, Eichel, Liane and Barkov over Ghost. I’ll even roll the dice on Patrick watching him play I think he has tremendous potential.

24 Mar 2018 21:32:04
Oilers:
P. Kane LW
3rd 2020

Blackhawks:
L. Draisaitl C
3rd 2019

Sabers:
D. Keith D

Blackhawks:
S. Reinhart C

Hurricanes:
J. Toews C
2nd 2019

Blackhawks:
J. Faulk D
J. Skinner LW

24 Mar 2018 21:57:02
No from hawks

No from sabres

No from hurricanes.

24 Mar 2018 23:12:38
Patrick Kane for Leon Draisiatal?


From which of dantes seven hells did you pull that from?

25 Mar 2018 00:47:13
The 1st one is intriguing, Buffalo would be dumb to trade for a old d man when they clearly aren’t going to be contenders in the near future. I’d say toews and the pick would be close for Faulk alone, but not both Faulk and skinner. skinner is a very low key player I think he puts up good numbers on a team that isn’t too good offensively.

25 Mar 2018 03:55:15
Damn where do I start reading.

25 Mar 2018 16:02:02
Id say no from Chi unless another prospect like Bear is included with Drai for Kane. No from Buff Reinhart is only 20 and keith 35 and almost retired. i'm sure Keitj has value maybe a late first to a contender at the dealine but not a young 20 year old center who could become a 50-60 point player for years to come.

25 Mar 2018 22:51:58
Lol colt you need some help bru.

26 Mar 2018 02:28:41
Just don't pay attention to Colt anymore. Trolling or delusional a f.

13 Mar 2018 14:43:05
I thought I'd propose something unconventional rather than another RNH for Pacioretty/Faulk etc.
Assuming Arizona and Montreal get 1st and 5th overall in this year's draft and that OEL really does want to stay, what would it take for the Habs to get Dahlin? (I know he's not being traded). Montreal has four second round picks this year.

Montreal: 2018 1st overall (Dahlin)

Arizona: 2018 5th overall, 2019 1st (unprotected), Montreal 2018 2nd Round, Chicago 2018 2nd Round, Toronto 2018 2nd Round

Arizona selects one of Boqvist (unlikely), Wilde, Hughes, Bouchard, Dobson

13 Mar 2018 16:18:46
Montreal could take boqvist at 5th and save all those picks it's too much for me but I'm sure arizona would want similar to this. Looks something like the lindros trade where philly probably would have been better off keeping forsberg.

13 Mar 2018 16:26:53
Ummm noooo wtf.

13 Mar 2018 16:27:50
Montreal would have to offwr way more.

13 Mar 2018 18:03:10
Yikes man Montreal would have to offer way more than that if they want Dahlin.

13 Mar 2018 18:09:59
I think it's a little to much for Dahlin. the 2019 unprotected first is what lost me in this proposal. Unless Montreal does something fairly big in the off season, or Droiun, Price and Weber can all have way better seasons, I see this team being in lottery contention next year as well.

13 Mar 2018 19:21:47
As I said before, Dahlin is in a class of his own. he's a Matthews value esque player. Boqvist will be good, but he's not close to Dahlin rn, and a couple 2nds doesn't make up the gap.

13 Mar 2018 19:28:51
It's not a couple 2nds it's 3 2nds and a first. I'd rather keep the picks there isn't that much difference in the two players.

13 Mar 2018 20:18:14
There isn’t that much difference in the two players?! Lol yes there is.

One guy is a good Dman with who has managed 1 pt in 15 games in the top Swedish division before being demoted and having 2 pts in 7 games. He has climbed the rankings and I get that points isn’t everything, but when you’re talking about a top pick who is supposed to be an offensive Dman, they matter.

Dahlin has been on everyone’s radar for 3-4 years as the guaranteed top pick. Playing in the world juniors at 16 and been in Sweden’s top division since 16 and at a .50 pts per game pace. Already at 6’1 and 175 pound and getting bigger. Scouts reports say he’s so far beyond where Karlsson was at the same time in his development that the sky’s the limit for the kid.

l. You don’t think there’s a big gap in those two player? But RNH has a long way to go to close that gap on Drouin, right? Hahaha come on. That’s like saying there wasn’t that big of a gap between mcdavid at 1 and Marner at 4. Or Matthews at 1 ans pulijarvi at 4. Ummm ya there was lol.

13 Mar 2018 20:55:01
Don't use logic Jim. They just don't understand. They have their homer biased blinders on at all times. There's just no point. They even disregard legit facts and stats and call it BS. It's hilarious.

13 Mar 2018 22:53:44
Yeah I know lol I just can’t believe a guy can say there isn’t much difference between Dahlin and a kid ranked 5th tho lol the entire scouting staff for 31 NHL teaam disagree, along with every analyst and writer I’ve seen mention it, but we should all take Habbys word for it haha.

13 Mar 2018 23:36:29
Jim did I say there was a big difference in rnh and drouin? No that's just more of your B. S like always. I wouldn't give up 3 2nds and a 1st to jump up 4 spots. The difference in boqvist and dahlen isn't that much to me.

13 Mar 2018 23:36:52
Couldn't care less if you take my word for it or not lol.

13 Mar 2018 23:57:15
If they both become top pair dmen like they are projected to become by all those scouts you mentioned. And you also manage to get a25 to 30 goal scorer with the other 1st next year which isn't crazy to think cause like Sosa said it could be a lottery pick. and let's just say only one of those 3 2nds turn into a full time nhler. Does that close the gap? Maybe not in your mind but it does in mind. i'd rather have roman josi filip forsberg and ryan Ellis over eric karrlson on my team any day.

14 Mar 2018 12:18:25
Yeah and Gilbert Bruce was projected as a top centre 5 spots behind Crosby who was a can’t miss centre who was the consensus 1st for years like Dahlin. And Ryan stein was a top centre prospect 2 picks after mcdavid who was a can’t miss. Rusty Olesz was a projected top line LW 6 spots behind ovi who was a can’t miss winger. Now there’s also Blake wheeler who is great as a winger in that range behind ovi too, but the point is here’s a big difference between a can’t miss #1 overall and a guy that you could get in the same position a pick later. Dahlin isn’t just a typical good player with a lot of potential like every 1st rounder every year. He’s the best projected befense prospect in a cpl decades. That’s referred to as generational. I’m just waiting for if the habs win the pick and you say you wouldn’t trade it for mcdavid and 2 1sts.

14 Mar 2018 13:19:07
I personally rather draft Boqvist. Has a different kjnd of play for a defense, never goes after puck just body while in his zone which is what your suppose to do but I still see NHL.

even good ones always going for the damn puck when defending. Boqvist is really good at the defense side of things and also has offensive potential and scouts think hell be an offensive defense man in the nhl. I also Like Bouchard and Whalstrom both good winger that could be available at number 5.

14 Mar 2018 15:11:31
Alexander diagle was just as hyped. What's your point? Jim just try and win an argument without twisting my words around. I know dahlin is the best prospect in this years draft. do you think your the only one who knows that or something? but that's doesn't mean he will be the next lidstrom. trading 5 picks with two of them possibly being lottery picks is too much for me to give up. When I'm almost gaurenteed to get a solid nhl player at 5th. if you don't agree with that just say so. You don't have to make up B. S and twist my words to try and prove your point. and colt I'd rather have dahlin but boqvist is pretty good.

14 Mar 2018 15:16:37
Colt bouchard is a defenseman.

14 Mar 2018 19:31:54
I’m not the only one that knows Dahlin is the best player in the draft. That’s Exactly my point. You have this hot take that him and Boqvist aren’t that far apart. I’m well aware that the entire hockey industry identified Dahlin as far and away the best prospect. And daigle was a top pick. He was not called a generational player like the examples I used. Not at all. He was the top choice by the majority of people but even then, there were people who had said they would have taken Pronger 1st. I don't remember people making that arguement for Bobby Ryan or jack Johnson over Sid, or Eichel, strome or hanifin over mcdavid. It just doesn’t happen. These kids are the guaranteed pick for 2-3 seasons before their draft for a reason. Because the field is far in their rear view, like Boqvist is in Dahlins.

14 Mar 2018 20:15:15
Habby so you’re saying olli Joulevi and 3 2nds for Mathews is to much? Or Noah Hanfin and 3 2nds for McDavid is to much?

14 Mar 2018 21:57:23
Nylander its 2 1st one being a lottery pick and the other unless there are some big changes in montreal this year possibly another lottery pick and 3 2nds. For me that's to much for the difference in an elite prospect and a really really good prospect. next years pick could be 1st overall too and dahlin or boqvist will probably not do enough to change that as early as next year.

14 Mar 2018 22:10:33
@Nylander, it’s 3 2nds and a Future 1st. But still, he apparently doesn’t think Dahlin is generational talent, which is fine, it’s his opinion, but he will make it seem like you and everyone else in hockey, including people who are actually paid big bucks to know this stuff, are wrong for thinking he’s as good as everyone says. That’s a big price to pay, but that doesn’t mean it’s an overpayment. But if habs win the lottery there will be no price too steep for him. Just the way it is. We will be reading in ‘NHL Talk’ all next year:

“What a great game again by Dahlin”

“2 more points for Canadiens tonight! ”

“Dahlin for Norris? ”.

14 Mar 2018 22:14:10
@ biased jim you may not recall 1993 as we'll as I do but even considering the lack of social media as compared to today alexander diagle was super hyped. Hardly anyone had pronger at number 1 and even that should show you what I've been saying. Pronger a guy who probably would have went down in history as one of the top 5 or 10 blue liners of all time had it not been for injuries in the later part of his career was passed over by a hyped player at the draft. now before you try to twist my words again I'll be the first one to say if I got a choice at this draft I take dahlin hands down without even thinking about it. But if the price to move up is those two first and 3 2nds I'm staying at 5th. 5 th overall and 3 2nds i do. But I'm not giving up next years 1st if I'm the habs.

14 Mar 2018 23:41:27
I never said daigle wasn’t hyped lol I said he was the 1st pick by the majority of ppl. I said he was never called the generational talent like Crosby, mcdavid or even Matthews have been. Dahlin has been the most hyped D prospect in a long long time. Even more than ekblad who had exceptional player status in junior like mcdavid Tavares and lindros. Daigle was not the highest touted winger prospect of a decade or more, regardless of how you remember the pre social media world.

15 Mar 2018 01:51:12
and i'm saying yes he was hyped the same as those guys. "could be the best player in the game in 2 years" "destined for greatness" all these things were said about him too as these are actual quotes from scouts. I guess I didn't get my last comment in in time to beat you from twisting my words again.

15 Mar 2018 01:56:08
And for the third time it's this years 1st 5th overall and next years 1st unprotected and 3 2nds.

15 Mar 2018 03:54:08
Nobody forgets what the package was, nylander made a mistake hours Ago lol we know it’s 2 1sts and 3 2nds. No one said otherwise since then.

15 Mar 2018 04:02:59
Well in your last comment you left out the current 1st. Biased jim you have too much time on your hands man logging In and out just to click agree on your posts and disagree on mine lol. Your laughable man.

15 Mar 2018 12:36:33
Haha I’m pretty sure yours has the only agree and mine the only disagree after you posted and clicked it. And I never forgot to mention the current first. I know what the deal is lol you just don’t understand generational talent, which is fine. The closest you have seen to it in Montreal is 2 goalies, one who they pushed out of town and another that’s destined for the same fate. Well and Drouin. He was taken 2 picks behind mackinnon, but I’m sure yzerman thought there was hardly a difference.

15 Mar 2018 15:00:08
A leaf fan talking about generational talent on his team. Now that's hilarious. matthews hasn't done anything near enough yet to be considered generational I mean at least wait till he starts scoring at a point per game pace. If he ever does. Who are all these other generational talent that you have seen first hand? Sundin? Clarke? Lol biased jim even your smart enough to realize if we compare the talent of previous years between the the two teams yours wouldn't have a chance. Come on man generational talent?

15 Mar 2018 17:03:05
I never said leafs had generational talent lol I said you can’t recognoze it apparently. I can see all around the league and the history of hockey to see it. Your view just revolves around one team, which is why I said all you have seen in that category is 2 goalies. And Clarke was phillys captain in the 70s and 80s. Clark was ours in the 90s, but you never saw the name spelt on the back of a habs jersey, so that’s too far outside your comfort zone to know anything about, forgiven.

15 Mar 2018 18:22:50
It was still funny to think a leaf fan like yourself would know anything about generational talent. You should stick to the stuff you do know. I'm not sure what that would be but there has got to be something lol.

15 Mar 2018 18:31:45
And sorry for adding an e to Clark did you have to look through your retired player index to figure out who I was talking about? i mean I just used my brain to figure out who Gilbert Bruce and ryan stein were lol. But I totally understand how the extra E could be confusing for you.

01 Mar 2018 18:44:59
chicago: seabrook (25% retained) + 2020 2nd
montreal: mete.

01 Mar 2018 18:49:19
Helll noooo.

01 Mar 2018 18:50:43
Seadbrook is a dump even at 50% keep him no one wants him.

01 Mar 2018 18:51:19
He has been scratched this season.

01 Mar 2018 18:53:44
Pacioretty has had more points than saad every single season since saad has been in the nhl and also more goals.

01 Mar 2018 19:35:16
enjoy him till he's 40 with that cap hit.

01 Mar 2018 20:01:07
Hahahaha Mete is untouchable
And even if he is. its going to be for an exceptional offer, not an aging Dmen with one of the worst conctract.

01 Mar 2018 21:10:41
How does this have 4 believable votes?
There is no way Habs should do this.

01 Mar 2018 21:43:52
Cuz some people are delusional @Thunder Turkey like PKane88.

01 Mar 2018 21:53:51
Terrible for habs obviously, but how does patches outscoring saad have anything to do with mete for seabrook? Lol.

02 Mar 2018 02:58:52
sorry unbiased jim meant to write it on the one below when pkane88 said that saad>pacioretty.

02 Mar 2018 04:13:19
Saw that after.

02 Mar 2018 22:12:42
I agree that this is a terrible proposal for the habs, they already have a dump in weber until he's 40. and is mete really an untouchable? I mean, they just traded sergachev less than a year ago. montreal has NO untouchables and rightfully so.

01 Mar 2018 18:09:50
At Draft

Montreal trades: Max pacioretty

Chicago trades: Saad

which team adds?

Montreal drafts: Tkachuk

Galchenyuk-Drouin-Sherback
Saad-Tkachuk-Gallagher
Byron-Danault-Lehkonen
Deslauriers-Shaw-Hudon

Mete-Weber
Rielly-Petry
Alzner-Juulsen

Price
Lindgren

01 Mar 2018 18:16:33
CBJ add, imo.

01 Mar 2018 18:39:21
saad > patches.

01 Mar 2018 19:00:32
You mean chicago @the_triplets.

01 Mar 2018 20:01:54
Lol Saad has 27 points no from Mtl.

01 Mar 2018 21:57:17
Patches is also 4 years older, going to get a raise next year, only has two more goals, in the exact same games played and is a -14. Not so cut and dry that he’s the better player.

02 Mar 2018 02:59:51
-14 lolll pacioretty has pk time but saad doesn't and +- doesn't mean anything.

02 Mar 2018 04:14:34
Rather have saad, he's been consistent though the years and having a off year, but Chicago rebuilding does want to get older, trading saad probably would want younger cheaper players.

02 Mar 2018 04:31:01
Well you don’t register minus’s on a penalty kill so I don’t see what that has to do with anything either. Also patches kills penalties and saad doesn’t?

Patches ice time Per game
Total 19:06
PP 3:07
Pk: 1:43

Saad Ice time per game
Total 17:22
Pp 2:19
Pk 1:45

So patches plays more 5-on5 and more on the PP (been on the ice for almost 100 min more than saad this year) and has 2 more goals. Saad killed a fraction more penalty time. It’s really easy to find the information. They both kill penalties very similarly. Saad has similar goal production in less opportunity both even strength and power play. He’s younger and under contract 2 years longer for less than patches will make in those 2 years. Saad all day.

02 Mar 2018 16:49:40
Patch is the better player if Chicago wants out of that sadd contract they would have to add. Any unbiased person could see that lol.

02 Mar 2018 17:53:42
If Montreal wants to rebuild and trade patches then obviously a trade for saad doesn’t make sense for them. But player for player to say patches is better isn’t so cut and dry is what I said. And when the argument is that patches kills penalties and saad doesn’t, then you see that saad plays more every night on the hawks PK ranked 10th in the NHL and patches plays less on a 26th ranked Habs Pk, it’s foolish. Talk about biased and unreasonable.

02 Mar 2018 17:55:49
And again it goes back to my simmonds over patches point. Saad plays a physical game, goes to the net, has been 10-12 pts less a season over last 4 years and has 2 cups. That experience of being a champion and knowing what it takes plus the physical play makes up for those 10 points ten-fold.

02 Mar 2018 20:33:52
Physical play lol patch has more hits this year then sadd has the last 3 years combined. I know there is more things involved to be considered physical but I think that stat alone proves pacioretty is at least his equal in that department. add that to being the better scorer even with lesser line mates and your going to sit here and tell me saad is better. Change your name man it's making me sick. I told you before and I'll tell you again your one of the most biased on here.

02 Mar 2018 22:17:52
Still don’t get how I’m biased. I like a lot of players from every team in the league. Every team there's players I like and players I dislike. Because I said I like one player on the hawks (which is not my team), and think he’s a better player means I’m a biased hab hater? As a white guy, I better tell everyone that I’m friends with every single black person in the world or I must be a racist too lol you’re a goof. One habs fan on here already said he lost the job to Bergevin, another one says he played for the habs but spelt his name wrong and doesn’t know what year he was born, it’s only a matter of time before you’re Geoff Molson and Mtl4Life is Youppi the mascot anyway.

02 Mar 2018 22:28:31
I’ve never said a bad word about Weber besides that contract is going to be a tough one down the road (not just me, pretty common opinion) and I told habs fans they were nuts when people posted trades and proposals putting price on waivers when he was struggling at the beginning of the year rather than piling on. And I’ve called lots of ppls low offers for habs players out before. I’m not a fan of galchenyuk and think teams are better off not investing in him because he always seems to come up short of expectations and I find patches a very one dimensional player, which is fine in a supporting role, but don’t think he warrants the value you put on him. Wouldn’t be the best player on just about any other team in the league. That’s my opinion, you have yours. But that’s not hating on the habs. THose are 4 of the 5 most talked about/ criticized habs (drouin the other) and I’ve defended drouin too saying I like the player, think they should have spent sergachev on a natural centre, not a winger, but that’s not drouins fault.

02 Mar 2018 22:36:25
Habby. pretty sure saad isn't a cap dump, i would rather have a good young player with term than an older player that's nothing but rental.
I for one enjoy jims insight, aside from sharing his opinions and views like everyone else he brings a lot of cold hard facts to this page. I also find his comments very fair when it comes to proposals on his team, the leafs.
I also noticed that there has never been a pacioretty proposal on here that's been believable to habs fans, EVER. so who's being the real homers here?

03 Mar 2018 01:20:30
Yeah Jim that's fine but one thing I will say is when subban was with the habs you among many others and yes I remember you saying it. Had weber ranked as the better dman. But surprisingly when they switched teams subban was automatically better. Hmmmmmmm what does that tell you?

03 Mar 2018 01:52:19
Plus jim you tippy toed around the fact pacioretty hits more in a game then saad does in a month? What's up with that?

03 Mar 2018 02:21:04
I’ve never said subban is better than Weber. One for one in their prime I take weber all day. I liked the trade at the time for the habs. And I said if the habs didn’t win in the next few years it will look bad and then will look worse every season after and I still believe that.

03 Mar 2018 02:26:10
And thanks facelift, appreciate it.

03 Mar 2018 08:35:23
Have to backup buddy Gabby lol. Jim stop with the hate for mtl where not good enough to be hated lol. Not yet. Control your biased sir.

03 Mar 2018 16:55:47
Colt, I get your a habs supporter and throw your weight behind Habby, but you pretended to be an ex NHLer and messed up how old you were. You have no credibility. Having your support is like when the KKK came out supporting Trump. Some support you just don’t want!

04 Mar 2018 10:26:53
Ok bud. First off I don't appreciate how you mock my career I work really hard for it.

19 Feb 2018 18:10:48
Phi: Toews, Crawford, Wingels

Chi: MacDonald, Lehtera, Weise, Read, Elliot, Sanhiem, Hart, 1st 2018, 1st 2019, additional second if flyers win cup in next two years

Hawks begin their rebuild, get a top goalie prospect, d prospect, 2 first, bad contracts that don't go past 3 three years, also unload toews big contract which he's not worth 10.5 but phi goes all in for the next 2 years while still keeping some youth long term, can compete with pens now

19 Feb 2018 18:35:05
ah yes. the good old 7 for 3 trade. terrific. -. -

also. huge no from Philly.

19 Feb 2018 19:53:28
The only good pieces philly is giving up is Hart, sanheim and the picks lol.

19 Feb 2018 20:18:47
I know the rest are cap related and no long term contract.

19 Feb 2018 20:39:53
Yeah but first of all Chicago can’t take on an extra 4 contracts and cap issues yeah I know where you’re going with it but those pieces are not even close to enough value to get toews lol and Chicago would never do that yenno.

19 Feb 2018 23:38:39
Toews has a big contract and his offensive numbers are not like Kane’s, we get it. But this idea that hawks are going to try to give away a guy that won them 3 cups, is only like 29-30 years old, already one of the greatest players in their history and has shown to be nothing short of a great person and captain is so dumb. It’s like early in the year when price struggled and people are talking about placing him on waivers, or trading him for a B prospect to rid them of the contract, he’s still an elite goalie and toews stilll has a ton to give. They will not trade toews, and if they ever did, they aren’t sending him along with a star goalie for a bunch of scraps, a cpl decent prospects and a cpl late firsts. Have an idea.

20 Feb 2018 01:27:33
Nicely put Jim.

20 Feb 2018 02:32:43
you can't compare price and toews too different positions and markets, also your getting to attached to your players ya its great he won 3 cups, but in a tough division its best to rebuilt or retool now they can't compete anymore for cup at most just make the playoffs so might as well get something potential good instead of having toews make 10.5 until he's 35.

20 Feb 2018 02:34:15
also if they want to retool now they have 1st round picks to get a new centre or they just rebuilt in their tough division.

20 Feb 2018 03:34:04
You forgot Philly's equipment manager!

20 Feb 2018 05:12:07
I’m not comparing price and toews as players. Didn’t think it came off like that. I’m comparing situations. Two great players that have done a ton for their respective organizations and have been rewarded financially for it. And IF they get traded it will be for a lot more than that kind of package. Neither of them are washed up, they both still have plenty of productive years left. Trading toews and Crawford just guarantees they don’t win anymore, it doesn’t put them into full rebuild mode. They would still be a mediocre team, not getting top picks unless you wanna trade kieth and Kane too and you will never win a Patrick Kane trade. Also, it’s not me being too emotionally connected to my players, don’t know how long you have been on here, but Chicago is not ‘my team’.

20 Feb 2018 15:26:35
I have to respect qwerty's concerns tho jim, i mean go down the line the hawks have a lot of guys apart of those 3 cups. i'm not saying they should trade toews, but toews, kane, keith, seabrook and crawford can't all stay if they want to get any type of rebuild done.

10 Feb 2018 16:10:02
Mtl: Plekanec
(Ufa so gone this summer)

Chi:Seabrook,Hartman

Mtl are TAKING a 7 million dollar contract but are getting a good rmyoung player to justify and to start rebuild)

10 Feb 2018 16:45:54
Hell no.

10 Feb 2018 17:57:54
So are another aging slow Dman for a long term expensive contract.
Honestly., dunno what Seabrook has left for contract. all I know, he was (is) a really good Dman, however he is starting to slow., and this shouldn't be the direction the Habs go in. but with Bergevin. anything is possible.

10 Feb 2018 19:10:56
Literally does not make any sense whatsoever for Montreal lol.

10 Feb 2018 19:40:37
Chicago would probably have to add a 1st and one or two good prospects to take seabrooks contract.6 years at 6.875 or something like that.

10 Feb 2018 23:42:30
Hartman isn't good enough to make taking on seabrooks contract worthwhile.

11 Feb 2018 03:16:47
Damn I thought Seebroke had a positive value.

10 Feb 2018 15:49:16
St Louis: Stasny,Dunn,2 rd pick 2019

Chicago: Toews

Is this fair for both teams. Chicago downgrade center but could resign him if he adept around 4 million. I'd say it's fair Right? Chicago gets a good defense prospect to replace Keith maybe

10 Feb 2018 18:21:35
Edmondson is out 6 weeks so making dunn available is a no go. Besides he is looking to be jaybos replacement. Why wouldn't blues resign stats at 4 mil.

10 Feb 2018 19:12:57
Wtf is this lol.

10 Feb 2018 21:53:46
Toews will more than likely be a Hawk for life.

10 Feb 2018 14:54:36
The leafs are missing 1 good defenceman in order to become cup contenders. The Blackhawks on the other hand will miss the playoffs and need a retool. What perfect dance partners
Leafs - Nylander 2nd pick 2018
Hawks - Keith
As much as I love watching Nylander play with Matthews one must trade from strength to help weakness
Why Chicago would do it - gets younger more skilled
Why toronto would do it - number one defenceman they need who is a leader Nylander gets a raise next season

10 Feb 2018 15:02:26
North is a great defenceman but too old if we trade nylander it will be for a younger dman.

10 Feb 2018 15:52:35
I agree with tyhockey.
If your going to trade a guy like Nylander., think long term. package him for OEL.?
Something on those lines.

10 Feb 2018 17:24:43
You really want to trade a 21 year old Nylander + for 34 year old Kieth? Crazy.

10 Feb 2018 17:29:43
Yeah nylander/ marner don't get traded for a 35 year old who is signed till he’s 40 lol they should only go in a package for a star d in his mid to late 20s like Sosa said.

10 Feb 2018 19:45:11
Agree with everyone but going to need and huge deal for oel, Keith still a top de in the league and hasn't slowed down much and has been one of the best de in the league for year on a very good cap hit, would just worry he starts to slow down.

10 Feb 2018 21:19:51
Or don't trade at all, i mean the leafs are looking good this year with what they already have. The young guys on the blueline look better and stronger the more experience they get. I think if the leafs just stand pat with what they have, they'll be just fine.

10 Feb 2018 21:30:26
Ya try and trade Nylander + for a OEL or Faulk, Doughty type a guy. Not a 34 year old. Lol.

10 Feb 2018 22:54:27
Ya. Why trade for a 34 yr old who is signed till he is 40.they can offer him 3 yrs at 6.75 then

And lmao at the "leads 1 good defenceman away"

11 Feb 2018 05:01:07
Balsam, what’s your definition of a cup contender? because Nashville snuck in the playoffs last year and was a cpl wins away. Leafs are a shoe in to the playoffs because wings and habs are about 17 pts back lol they have a lethal offense, 4 pretty good Dmen and a cpl kids playing well and a goalie who has been unbelievable since the first 7-8 games of the season. So adding a top pair D doesn’t give them a good chance? I guess they should follow Marc Bergevins plan to success, make a series of moves that take a playoff team and make them lottery pick contenders.

11 Feb 2018 05:09:55
And the “3 year at 6.75” comment I figure is about Marleau because that’s your go to shot at the leafs, but Marleau at 37 has 2 more goals in 2 more games than paccioretty. Remember that Max plays top line and top PP and has been on the ice for 125 more minutes than Marleau this season while being almost a decade younger and scoring less. Not saying pacioretty isn’t a good player, he is, but if you’re going to make Marleau your target for criticism, make sure he’s not out performing your best player! Also it’s 6.25 mill, not 6.75. Get your chirp right at least lol.

08 Feb 2018 19:18:12
So reading today there is rumors mtl is talking to Chicago about sadd? Guessing Chicago would want picks/prospects at this point

08 Feb 2018 19:50:39
How bout Saad for Patches? Maybe a little add from Mtl?

08 Feb 2018 20:08:09
If montreal has to add for taking back the lesser player with a higher cap hit. Then I would then jump on the fire bergevin bandwagon.

08 Feb 2018 20:48:44
With all the money they have tied up in Chicago with their core, i don't know if they would want to take Patches knowing he needs a raise in a year. I don't think they will be contenders this year so it really only leaves them next year to build on.
Also, if Bergavin trades patches for another winger. he might as well just resign.

11 Feb 2018 14:00:59
Colt. Saad for patches and mtl adds? Think you made a typo.

27 Jan 2018 23:42:38
Mtl: Patches

Min:Brodin

Mtl:Petry

Mjn:Joel Erikson Ek

Edm:Benson

Chi:Hibestroxa

28 Jan 2018 08:39:59
so bad i don't even know where to start. stick to your blues feedback colt.

23 Jan 2018 23:29:19
Chi: Connor murphy
Tor: Garret Sparks

Not sure on the value here, but with crawford out they will be looking for someone to fill in and Sparks has been great in the Ahl this season. Toronto on the other hand gets that defensive minded rhd that fhey have been looking for and what's better he is locked in for a decent price. What yall think?

24 Jan 2018 00:00:45
Pretty easy no from Chicago imo.

24 Jan 2018 00:01:39
I’m all for it from a leafs perspective lol but I doubt that flies with the hawks. Sparks I believe is from Chicago too which is a nice bonus, and he has been great for the marlies. So has Pickard which makes It easier to move one of them. And with Andersen signed for 4 more years and playing great and still young, the best these guys can hope for here is a back up role. However, Murphy’s contract is exactly why the hawks got him. They need cost controlled players and he’s one of them.

24 Jan 2018 16:55:44
WHat do you think would get Murphy?

22 Jan 2018 19:02:00
Since Tampa is one of the worst faceoff percentage teams, heading into playoffs they definitely need to improve it.
Might as well acquire Vermette just like every other team making a run lol, not to mention it’s very possible Anaheim deals him before the deadline.

TB: 2nd (or even 3rd tbh)
Ducks: Vermette

He’s 34 and not the same player as he was when he was traded for a player and a 1st back when he got traded to Chicago so I think Tampa is willing to pay this price to improve their faceoff percentage, as well as add more playoff experience to the roster. Thoughts?

22 Jan 2018 19:35:25
Makes sense. Win draws in all situations and can still fly. Good penalty killer too with that speed and smarts.

22 Jan 2018 19:45:58
Faceoffs are over rated. Tampa needs to be better but if you can win face offs and not do anything else your a liability.

22 Jan 2018 19:55:45
Jbs are you calling him a liability? Lol are you for real.

22 Jan 2018 21:02:13
Face offs are over rated? I guess so is puck possession.

23 Jan 2018 00:39:50
Hey guys scoring goals and winni g games is overrated.

23 Jan 2018 01:14:38
No. But i said if all you can do is win face offs there isn't a spot for you on a team. Still need to be able to play offense and defense (and Vermette hasn't scored much in a few years now) . Its kinda funny if you think faceoffs are extremely important but look at standings last few years. Canes Sens Panthers Sabres currently all top 10 in faceoff %. Avalanche Canes Flyers Red Wings Canucks all top 10 last year, first 3 were top 5. Edmonton Chicago and Pitt were bottom 3. Faceoff % does not correlate to success and when you dig into it it doesn't even drive possession the way you would think. Look at the numbers.

23 Jan 2018 06:08:05
It sounds like you’ve already looked at the #’s. I wonder why they try and win the face off then? They should just give it to the other team. You have to see how ridiculous that sounds.

23 Jan 2018 11:48:04
Are you for real Leafs? Did i say just give em away? No. Did i say they're meaningless? Also no. I said they are over rated and i have the evidence to prove it. Its not an end all be all stat and you don't need to be great in the face off dot to win games. The difference between first and last in face off% can be as little as 5% and if your players are good at other things you make it up quite easily. 3 of last years top 5 faceoff% and 5 of top 19 finished in bottom 12 while a bottom 3 team won the cup i don't see how its so ridiculous and absurd to say that they are overrated. It doesn't drive possession the way you would think as some top possession teams (like Tampa) don't win them while low possession teams (last years Avs) lead the league. It doesn't have a huge impact on goals or wins. Rather win them than not but they're impact is often overstated i don't know how its so "ridiculous" and "absurd" to see the direct impact of being a team that's great in the dot and one that's terrible (5/ 100 faceoff difference) doesn't impact the result a lot.

23 Jan 2018 11:56:53
Like give me something to go with other then "thats ridiculous". I realize its counter intuitive. that's why I've backed up my stance with fact and stats. And i never said they're negative or give them away like you seem to be quoting to me i just said they're overrated and the impact is not as big as people think. You triggered me haha.

23 Jan 2018 21:23:06
I guess I mean as a player. Maybe your stats back up teams can win being weak in the the face off circle. However, having 1-2 guys that can win the face off is huge in many aspect of the game. You win the face off on the PK, you kill 30 seconds. You win the draw on the PP, you get a chance to set up. You win a draw late in the game and you close out a game. I guess that is why it is sometimes such a small % that separate the good teams from the bad in face offs, because it may be 1 player that is the difference. I wasn’t saying you need 4 centerman that are good but every GM in the league would like to have 1-2 guys you can rely on. Didn’t mean to trigger you.

20 Jan 2018 17:06:46
Saw this rumour on another site:

To Jets: Sharp

To Chicago: 3rd round pick
?

20 Jan 2018 17:50:58
I think he’s worth a bit less than a 3rd but maybe Winnipeg is willing to give it up. But if Chicago makes this that means they feel they are not going to make the playoffs and I don’t know if management is ready to give up yet.

14 Jan 2018 19:13:24
Ok so I am a Montreal fan. And I noticed I'm not the only one on here. So I'm going to ask my fellow jabs fan this question but even if you're not one i'd love to hear your perspective just thin I have fan will be able to give me more precise hypothetical options of what MB should be thinking of doing right now in terms of trades or any type of transaction that could benefit the team.And after that explain what would be your priority if you where in MB.The future or present? I'm going with future for many reasons that I won't explain since I'm hoping this post won't be as long as TSS ones usally are lol( tbh even if they're long I always read them all because of how easy it is to ready). Ok so here are the trades that will help us for the future imo and that also adresses the other club needs as well:

Mtl: Patches, conditional 2rd pick(if Patches gets 25 or + goals this year the pick is going to be reversed)

Cal:Valimaki conditional 2 rd pick( condition mention aboved)

Now that where stuck with Weber we might as well at least get a top D prospect that he can take under his wing and bring to next level hopefully. I was hoping he would of been a mentor to Sergachev but... Drouin

Mtl: Gallagher

Car: Bean, Gauthier


Mtl:Byron

Chi: Hartman,3 rd pick 2018


Mtl: Plekanec( I guess a little bit of value even with his contract since he's ufa this summer and still good defensive center for team that wabts to go in deep run)

Any team: 6 rd pick

13 Jan 2018 20:58:26
MTL: Plekanec
PIT: 2nd or 3rd (will most likely be later round picks so the 2nd is in fact closer to a third. This might be a bit much for him but he is one of the best shutdown centers in the league although he doesn't give anything offensively) .

MTL: Byron
To any team willing to give up a 2nd (because he scored 20 goals last year, is crazy fast and great on the PK) . Would go great with any team needing secondary scoring.

MTL: Benn
CHI: 3rd

Benn has been playing way above his pay grade recently and can fetch a 3rd-4th.

I might be overvaluing my Habs players though, let me know.

13 Jan 2018 21:15:42
Gotta retain on Plek to get anything decent. If you retain like %50 then could probably get a 3rd. Not sure a 2nd.
Byron should get you a 3rd for sure and ya maybe a 2nd.

13 Jan 2018 22:05:42
As a sens fan, I am willing to give up nick paul and a 3rd for Byron. Would that suffice?

13 Jan 2018 22:06:26
As for your trades, value seems there except for the first one. Plek is a cap dump. The most he's worth is a 4th-5th

13 Jan 2018 22:41:01
So Paul byron a guy who scored 20 goals last season will probably score 20 goals again this season and is great on the pk like you said who gets paid hen scratch compared to a lot of 20 goal scorers who can't kill penalties. And you want to trade him for a2nd round pick. We got two 2nds for lars eller and gave up 2 2nds for andrew shaw. I would value byron above both of these guys especially when you consider his contract.

13 Jan 2018 23:47:42
I'm ok with Plek and Benn deals., however. I don't want to see Byron go. And if he were to go, only as a good add on peice to say a Pacioretty or Galchenyuk to bring back a significant peice.
I do see Plek as an attractive option for a contender as a good 3rd line Center. If he isn't traded, I would offer him 3 mill for 2 years to be Habs 4th line Center and on the PK, cause he has been a good Canadien .

13 Jan 2018 23:47:57
Are you kidding me with all of these. Especially the first one. Absolute garbage.

14 Jan 2018 02:14:19
McJesus. what do u think then?

14 Jan 2018 14:13:38
No Crazy Attack, that won't suffice. That's good if you want Michael Mcaron but since Byron is cheap, very fast, good on pk and get around 20 goal/ 40 points a second round pick it will take more to get him. Beside Dorion gave up Dahlen who was drafted second round but looks far more promising then his rank, for an old, slow and overpaid Burrows who's maybe half has good as Byron. So I wouldn't be surprise if Dorion offers White for Byron. lol.

14 Jan 2018 18:17:20
The fact he thinks a team will be willing to give up a 2nd for Plek blows my mind.

14 Jan 2018 19:15:04
It's deffinetley a stretch McJesus
. however, that pick is probably around 50th to 62nd overall. it's not totally outta the question. who knows. i'd prefer to get a deal similar to the Weiss, Flieshman deal to Chicago when we received Danault. but. I also know that's a big stretch as well. Lol. maybe Benn and Plek? I dunno.

14 Jan 2018 19:17:51
The only thing Mvjesus think nowadays is to critize people instead of explain why trades are bad. Kinna lazy. It's sad tho because you used to have very good post but now all you posts are either a critic or an insult.

13 Jan 2018 05:45:59
Chicago: seabrook, pokka, 2nd. Columbus: jack Johnson Don't really know but Johnson wants a trade and Chicago needs outta seabrook contract...... anywhere close?

13 Jan 2018 06:43:05
Wow. Massive yes from Chicago. Massive no from Columbus.

13 Jan 2018 12:12:09
Without seabrook its way closer. what's seabrook going to do, be number 6 on Columbus' depth chart for the forseeable future? he'd be behind Murray, Jones, Werenski, Carlsson and Nuttivara on defence. And his contract is super bloated. No thanks from CBJ.

12 Jan 2018 22:32:43
Ottawa: Karlsson
Nyi: Tavares
Chic: Hartman,Seabrook,Ist round,2nd round

Ottawa trades Karlsson to New York
New York trades Tavares to Chicago
Chicago trades Seabrook,Hartman and draft picks to Ottawa

12 Jan 2018 23:22:56
Ottawa loses. Chicago wins.

12 Jan 2018 23:30:12
Oof terrible for New York and Ottawa. Chicago makes out like bandits.

Seabrook is a damn cap dump.

12 Jan 2018 23:35:40
This may he the worst 3 way trade I've seen.

12 Jan 2018 23:51:35
Hahahaha wow this is awful my goodness.

13 Jan 2018 00:18:10
This is the worst 3 way trade ever proposed. Lol.

13 Jan 2018 01:50:55
Terrible for every team not named New York.

13 Jan 2018 05:42:21
Seabrook isn't really a cap dump right now, but in 2-4 years that contract looks horrible.

13 Jan 2018 15:17:54
You are aware there is this thing called the salary cap. How exactly does Chi fit Kane, Toews and Tavares under the cap?

13 Jan 2018 16:29:21
@Shootsmcgee seabrook is a cup dump right now. There is a reason why they benched him a few games ago, yet he still makes almost 7 million. that's what I call a cap dump

13 Jan 2018 21:24:32
If ottawa is adding karlsson and the islanders tavares, shouldn't the hawks be adding patty kane? I mean, come on you homer.

17 Jan 2018 22:30:03
For once I actually agree with facelift 39.

Ottawa has enough bad contracts on their hands why would they trade their best player only to add another one?

Their called the ottawa senators not the ottawa dump sheesh.

 
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