02 Oct 2018 00:42:59
If leafs cannot sign nylander before start of season

Colorado- Conor Timmins and Col 2019 1st

Trade gets leafs a top tier affordable right handed defence prospect who can both push offence and is good defensively. Dubas May have fimiliarity with him as he's played for the greyhounds. Also get a mid-late first. Colorado gets a very good arguably elite winger to give them a scary top 6 to compete in the tough central division.

1.) 02 Oct 2018
02 Oct 2018 05:27:15
Timmins is a great player. Ranked just as highly as Makar (maybe higher, depending on the review), he would be a good choice to target. Avs are loaded at RHD and with both Timmins and Makar, they can afford to let one of these guys go.

Some on this site may say Nylander has more value than Timmins, but don’t you worry about that. Timmins holds more value to us because he fills a glaring need and will be around for a decade. Nylander is greedy and selfish, not a team player at all. I would be more than happy to dump him on Colorado for Timmins and 1st. We have enough highly skilled forwards that trading Nylander for an elite RHD prospect player won’t significantly reduce our offense and would greatly improve our defense.

Either Timmins or Makar is excellent choice. And I think targeting Avs is a smart choice. Their own re-build is coming along nicely, and Nylander would complete the top six for them making them an offensive force.

2.) 02 Oct 2018
02 Oct 2018 06:11:37
Leafs would love that, not sure if Colorado would do that. But interesting post!

3.) 02 Oct 2018
02 Oct 2018 10:40:46
Again not saying this trade is bad for Toronto but saying Timmons is an “ elite d prospect “ prospect is ridiculous. He’s a second round pick who’s been shaping out very well similar to Travis Dermott. Saying he’s Elite- ( Hedman, Dahlin, Jones, Karlsson, Doughty, ETC) tier is ridiculous chill out with that label. I could see him being a very good player in the future but not at the elite level.

4.) 02 Oct 2018
02 Oct 2018 13:34:48
First of all I didn’t say anything about Timmins being “elite” as of now. Second how about Weber or Keith to start with, both drafted in the second round lower than Timmins and are considered elite. Being drafted in the first round doesn’t guarentee “elite” status, it’s a trade that fills need for both teams.

5.) 02 Oct 2018
02 Oct 2018 14:20:19

Calling a top 5 defense prospect an “elite prospect” isn’t so ridiculous. Coming from someone who has a very real tendency to contradict himself is hypocritical: one post you say Nylander is not a star, but then you’re pretty quick to throw the elite label on him. Nylander had 20 goals and 60 points last year and almost the exact same the year previous. Hardly what I would call elite. Maybe your definition of elite is different from mine?

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If you don’t like me hyping prospects and players, then don’t read my posts. I’ve already basically started to ignore yours, as they seem to be hyper-critical without contributing much in the way of conversation or debating the merits of the players involved.

6.) 02 Oct 2018
02 Oct 2018 20:52:47
Subban also a second round pick. All multiple time Norris Finalists and a cpl wins over the last few years.

7.) 03 Oct 2018
03 Oct 2018 02:47:21
Missing the point the reality is Timmons will never be in the Elite Catagory those you listed aren’t either. Elite is Orr, Coffey, Lindstrom, Harvey, ETC not Timmons and Friggin Subban.

8.) 03 Oct 2018
03 Oct 2018 05:40:32
You don’t think Weber, Keith or Subban are/ were elite in their primes? All were considered top 5 D in the league for stretches with Weber considered the best for quite a while. i'd consider all of them elite at leas for long stretches of their careers. What about Chelios? Also of the 4 you mentioned Orr and Harvey came before the draft and Lidström was drafted 53 overall which is a second round today (3rd round at the time) . Where does Josi fit for you? He was also a second Round pick.

9.) 03 Oct 2018
03 Oct 2018 16:04:16
@VBB Okay now I’m really confused. So you’re saying to be called elite, you have to be a surefire first ballot hall of famer? And yet you have called marner and Nylander Elite many times. Wouldn’t that mean you consider them in the likes of gretzky, Howe, Lemieux, Hull?!?! Lol

And you wouldn’t trade Nylander for anything shy of the next Bobby Orr? Hahaha come on man. You are getting more rediculous by the day lol Nylander has a chance to be an elite scorer because very few guys can put up 40 goals and 80pts and I believe that’s atleast a possibility for him. However I would never even think to suggest he would reach the status of top 100 players of all time let alone top 4/ 5 at his position lol craziness on a Wednesday.

10.) 03 Oct 2018
03 Oct 2018 17:48:27
Ok, elite is top 10 0f all time? Alright, got your thought process now so can comprehend wtf you're talking about.

11.) 03 Oct 2018
03 Oct 2018 19:23:54
So the trade is close to fair, you’re (VB) is saying that Timmins is not a elite defence prospect, which no where in the post did I call him a elite prospect, which is fair but by your standards nylander isn’t anywhere close to elite either, which is also fair to say. So the trade is a good forward for a good defence prospect that has lots of potential to be exactly what the leafs want/ need with the addition of a late first to even out the difference that nylander is currently a top 6 forward and Timmins is unproven.

12.) 04 Oct 2018
03 Oct 2018 23:22:41
Mertle I was not referring to you at all and I don’t believe Nylander is Elite. It really depends what you consider Elite. I’d say the top 1% of NHL player of all Time belong in the elite category. Not saying second round picks can’t/ Haven’t gotten to the level I’m just saying he won’t. He’s a very good prospect and I’d love him on the leafs but I wouldn’t call him Elite. I’d consider Dahlin the only “Elite prospect “
Could see Petterson/ Svechnikov/ Zandina getting there but I’m not throwing the Elite tital at them.