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04 Dec 2020 16:55:24
Tampa Bay Lightning:
Tyler Johnson ($5m for 4 more years)
Alex Killorn ($4.45m for 3 more years)
Erik Cernak (RFA)
1st round pick 2021

Detroit Red Wings:
Future Considerations

Given that the Lightning still need to resign Cirelli, this trade isn't about what Tampa is getting back from Detroit, moreso about what Tampa is getting back in cap space.

Tampa offloads $9.45m of cap from their roster, bringing them under the cap this season and freeing cap space for long term as well. Tampa can open roster spots for prospects like Cal Foote, Alexander Volkov, and Alex Barre-Boulet to get a chance to crack their roster. The team is still a cup contender without Johnson and Killorn and I believe they will still have at least another 2 or 3 year window to try and win another cup.

Detroit can afford to take on both Johnson and Killorn's salaries this season without going over the cap. Yzerman can explore a separate trade to free up the space to sign Cernak to an extension (He could even try to flip someone like Killorn). And the low 1st round pick comes their way for taking the full salaries without retention. Detroit is essentially doing Tampa a favor by bringing them under the cap in taking both players off their books. The Red Wings will shed even more salary off their roster next season so the long term of Johnson and Killorn's contracts won't impair the Wings from any future signings.

I think this suits both teams for their short term and long term needs. Johnson and Killorn are still on the young side of their 30s and would bring playoff experience and knowledge to mentor the younger players that Detroit will be gradually introducing to the roster.



1.) 04 Dec 2020 17:33:15
At this point it’s not that unreasonable. Tampa will need to take a hit. Clear win for Detroit.



02 Apr 2020 14:44:20
Since there's no hockey I thought it would be fun to discuss what the Maple Leafs could/would do with the cap space they'll have this summer. If the cap increases, the Leafs will likely have over $20 million in available cap space.

The team has 3 RFA's to resign: Denis Malgin, Frederik Gauthier and Travis Dermott

They also have team needs that will have to be addressed this summer, right handed defense is what has been and still is lacking for the team, as well as depth players with physicality and grit. Barrie likely won't re-sign and Ceci doesn't look like he's in the teams future plans.

So.. what do you think it will cost to resign their RFAs and what do you think they'll do with the remaining cap space they'll have?

My suggestion:

Gauthier signs for 1 year at $875k
Malgin signs for 1 year at $875k
Dermott signs for 3 years $11.25m ($3.75m aav)
Re-sign Clifford at $1.6 million for 1 year

I hope they'll swing for Pietrangelo in free agency and try to take a stab at getting him for 5 years $45m ($9m aav).

If they've proven anything, they know how to structure a contract with signing bonuses being 99% of the salary and a base salary of the league minimum.

If Pietrangelo somehow resigns with St. Louis, who else could you see the team going after and for how much?


1.) 02 Apr 2020 15:26:37
Honestly I think you’re overpaying all 3 RFA’s, Gauthier and Malgin should sign for league minimum and Dermott should not be signed for over 2 mill aav on a one or two year bridge deal.

They can’t afford Pietrangelo unless they trade all of Kerfoot, Kapanen, and Johnsson or the cap somehow still goes up after this year.

2.) 03 Apr 2020 01:20:47
According to capfriendly Toronto has 77 million tied up in 16 players plus Kessel. If cap goes to 84 they only have 7 million to spend. If it stays flat they only have 4.

Where are you getting this 20 mill cap space number from?

3.) 03 Apr 2020 07:37:56
What about Ilya Mikeiev sorry about the spelling but the LW who plays with Nylander and Tavares since Hyman was bumped down to the 3rd he’s a RFA and should command 3 + mil. Also the leafs aren’t getting that much cap Horton and Clarckson currently don’t count towards the cap.

4.) 03 Apr 2020 11:25:59
Sorry about that, $20 million coming off the cap in UFA's but Toronto's cap hit for 2020-21 is 76,908,533 so far. That leaves them with 4,591,467 available cap space. If the cap goes up to $84m they'll have 7,091,467 of available cap space.

That will be gone once the RFA's are resigned.

5.) 04 Apr 2020 12:54:32
Up to date rumors have the leafs going after alex P hard . This is why there were no big moves at the deadline. There is interest on both sides. This came fro the same source the had Patrick Marleau going to pens and leafs getting Clifford as predicted so don't be shocked if alex lands a leaf.



01 Apr 2020 15:13:00
Game plan for Detroit Red Wings

Coaching: Fire Jeff Blashill and hire Gerard Gallant

NHL draft: Trade the rights to Ehn, Erne and Perlini at the draft for draft picks

Free agency: Lose Ericsson, Gagner, Howard, Franzen, Daley, Goloubef and Biega in free agency.

Go after Markstrom as a free agent goalie, 4 years $22 million deal.

Extensions: Sign Fabbri to a 2 year $5 million deal

Sign Bertuzzi to a 6 year $30 million deal

Sign Mantha to an 8 year $60 million deal

Sign Bowey to a 2 year $4 million deal

HC: Gerard Gallant

Bertuzzi - Larkin (C) - Mantha
Fabbri - Filppula - Zadina
Helm - Veleno - Hirose
Svechnikov - Nielsen (A) - Abdelkader

Cholowski - Hronek
Nemeth - Bowey
DeKeyser (A) - Seider



1.) 01 Apr 2020 16:06:06
Biega already got an extension.

2.) 01 Apr 2020 16:29:28
No kidding eh March 8th I must have been busy buying toilet paper and I didn't hear about it lol. Thanks!

3.) 01 Apr 2020 19:40:46
Hahahaha Markstrom ain’t sighing for 5.5 a year, dream on, and if it was that cheap it would be with Vancouver.

4.) 02 Apr 2020 04:43:54
I completely agree on the Fire Blashill. Would have liked Gallant but chances are since he wasn’t signed up yet, we may not get him.

Truthfully was hoping for Tampa to mess up again to so we could snag Jon Cooper, I can dream.

Personally would love to give Perlini another shot with the new coach, he can be good if utilized well. But if we trade him like the others you mentioned, I’m ok with it.

I’m good with all of the re-signings you mentioned, hopefully the players are too.

As for Goalie, I like Markstrom but not sure he would join us. I could see us making a play but getting a Goalie this off-season would be tough for a later financial move.

I say we see if we can swing a deal for Georgiev, he would get a chance to steal the crease and would be a good tandem with Bernier.

Overall, good post but could use a few tweaks.

5.) 02 Apr 2020 07:50:19
I'll happily give you Cooper, you won't have much fun with him, that I can tell you.

6.) 03 Apr 2020 07:42:01
Georgiev would be a smart add if cheap for the wings. 2nd + a prospect? If anymore i wouldn’t pay the price. Doubt their will be a big market for him.



03 Feb 2020 22:06:37
Game plan for Detroit Red Wings


DRW: Andreas Athanasiou

EDM: Jesse Puljujarvi, 2020 5th round pick

DRW: Trevor Daley (50% salary retained)

PGH: 2020 6th round pick

DRW: Jimmy Howard (50% salary retained)

TOR: Cody Ceci, 2020 4th round pick (vegas)

Free Agency

Lose Ericsson, Franzen, Green, and Biega in free agency.

Trade the rights to Ehn, Erne and Perlini at the draft for late round picks

Sign Fabbri to a 2 year $7.5 million deal

Sign Bertuzzi to a 6 year $30 million deal

Sign Mantha to an 8 year $64 million deal

Sign Bowey to a 2 year $5 million deal

Go after a free agent goalie, either Markstrom or Lehner. But I would offer either goalie a 4 years $22 million deal.

Bertuzzi - Larkin - Mantha
Fabbri - Filppula - Zadina
Helm - Veleno - Smith
Svechnikov - Nielsen - Abdelkader
*Hirose, Rasmussen*

Cholowski - Hronek
Nemeth - Bowey
DeKeyser - Seider


***Potentially draft Lafrenniere 1st/1st overall ***


1.) 03 Feb 2020 22:22:13
I'm sorry as I was working on this I forgot I'd included Puljujarvi in one of the trades. Here's what the lines would project like:

Bertuzzi - Larkin - Mantha
Fabbri - Filppula - Zadina
Helm - Veleno - Puljujarvi
Svech - Nielsen - Smith
*Abdelkader, Hirose, Rasmussen alternate as extras*.

2.) 03 Feb 2020 22:25:34
Or? If Wings get that 1st overall, make a deal with Habs! 😉.

3.) 04 Feb 2020 00:06:58
1. AA should be able to get more than that. Puljujärvi is a good piece but he’s not a consistent NHL-er so I would at least want a conditional 2nd or something because AA is the better player right now.

2. I guess that’s supposed to be Philadelphia? I don’t mind trading Daley but if retaining 50% only nets us a 6th. It ain’t worth it. Plus I feel Green has more value and could at least get a 4th with 50% retained.

3. The best of the three, perfectly comfortable trading Howard and taking back Ceci although I would say Leafs add a smidge since we’re retaining and helping them with Salary (Maybe conditional picks)

Happy to lose the guys you mentioned to Free Agency (Would swap Daley for Green, as I would trade Green) .

I say we give Erne, Perlini and Ehn a 1 year show me deals. If we have a new coach, they may fit better. I would only move them if get an offer we can’t refuse. Not expecting a massive return, just one where I can say I would rather have the pick than the player.

I’m good with all signings except the Mantha one. While I love Mantha, his injury history is scaring me from dishing out that big deal. I would try for a similar to Bert in term and higher AAV.

Wouldn’t mind going to sign one of those goalies, personally would prefer to make a deal for Georgiev but I’m still good with signing the other guys.

I like how you incorporated youth into the line-up although it may be too much at once.

Not a bad game plan but could be tweaked to be better.

4.) 05 Feb 2020 19:04:20
Anything for Daley is worth it. He is a bad player with good character. Not something we need more of. And he wants out to a contender.
No one is trading for Howard. He has been awful this year.

Way too expensive for Bowey, I wouldn't even re-sign him. He is a replacement level guy. Fabbri probably needs a lower AAV with his injury history.



30 Jan 2020 20:56:54
Ideally Kyle Dubas is looking for a player with term rather than a pending UFA and there's been rumors they've looking into Matt Dumba.

My thoughts are Minnesota is missing depth scoring on the wing and are trying to get younger at the same time.


Matt Dumba ($6 million aav thru 2023)

Kasperi Kapanen ($3.2 million aav thru 2022)
Cody Ceci ($4.5 mill aav - pending UFA)
Conditional 2021 2nd round pick (becomes 2022 1st round pick if Toronto makes it to the East finals)
2020 3rd round pick (Columbus)

A few notes:
- Ceci is included for cap compliance not because his value translates to what Dumba is worth
- Minnesota has no 3rd round pick in the 2020 draft which was why I thought its a good incentive
- I still don't feel good about this trade, something tells me Toronto would still need to add a prospect or more but I left that for you to debate

Lets discuss, would Toronto add or is the value on par for a 25 year old RHD with a decent contract for the next 4 years?


1.) 30 Jan 2020 21:59:23
I think any deal for Dumba would have to be around Nylander. which I'm not sure the Leafs should deal him away.

2.) 30 Jan 2020 22:46:07
Now this is a trade I can definitely see happening. The value seems equal, Minnesota gets a young top 6 forward who can play offence and defence, and Toronto gets a defenceman who has the potential to e a top 2 guy, but who is having a bit of an off year and who could probably use a fresh start while also clearing a bit of cap space.

Good trade.

3.) 31 Jan 2020 15:11:31
I think you would have to add if you wanted them to take Ceci.

4.) 31 Jan 2020 19:00:12
Not enough from TOR. Kap, a 1st, and a prospect would be the ask from MIN. Top 2 D are far more valuable than Top 6-9 F.




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30 Mar 2020 20:50:40
I've been off this site ever since Hockey got put on hold but I'm impressed that "St.LouisFan" has made such a big name for himself as a troll poster.

I know actual Blues fans have better ideas than what I've read on here but this one was too good not to bring up:

March 6th he stated that Pietrangelo is untouchable when he was denying that Thomas was untouchable. 5 days later he posted a trade throwing Pietro in WITH Thomas for Gudas and Vrana...

This is the difference between having a bias towards your favorite team vs. not knowing what the F you're talking about.


1.) 03 Apr 2020 01:59:51
No. It's the difference in dealing with a true troll like redwing1 and posting something to get him going versus what you actually think. If you had been on site to see the whole line of discussion you would have known that.

Where has he been lately anyway? Must be hiding under a bridge.

2.) 03 Apr 2020 02:01:12
I mean, coming from a guy that thinks Toronto has 20 million in cap space next year, your comments don't mean much. Who is the real troll here?

3.) 03 Apr 2020 22:56:59
You and Redwing are probably the same guy.

4.) 04 Apr 2020 07:35:53
I don’t think so sosa he’s obviously bias but not delusional. Petro for Norris was outlandish aside from that he has solid insight.




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10 Apr 2020 13:32:43
"So so me a reason why OEL brings more than Schenn, when even Schenn is a way overpay. Just repeating "he does" without proof is like your parents keep repeating "because I said so". "

Whats interesting is that you're creating a fictitious argument in your child sized brain that I've said somewhere OEL brings more than Schenn. From the very beginning I've been saying this trade makes no freaking sense because Arizona doesn't need Schenn. I asked you to give me facts about why they do and your only leg to stand on is that he's statistically better than what they already have. BFD. They like what they have in their team already and if OEL was being shopped it would be for a team need, not just what you think he's worth if St. louis calls.

"OEL has won nothing and has never even been a contender for anything. " = Silver medalist in Sochi 2014, gold medalist in world championships in 2018. You're probably going to tell me those mean nothing because he played on stacked teams or some other BS to downplay the fact you don't think before you type when you're getting pissy with people.

STFU and go back to bed.




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10 Apr 2020 11:50:36
LOL I asked for you to come back with some reason and facts and this is what you come up with? I don't think I even need to address your reply much more it pretty much sums up how useless your contributions on this site are.

You think your hockey knowledge is showing in these replies? How about your own posts? March 8 you said Pietrangelo was untouchable and then 3 days later you packaged him with Thomas in a trade proposal for Vrana and GUDAS!

Whats next? Schenn for Cale Makar? Find another sport to pretend to follow because hockey isn't your strong point.




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09 Apr 2020 17:14:45
Arizona has Dvorak, Hayton, and Stepan all signed until at least next year. If they're looking to upgrade down the middle they'd probably start by shopping their picks or prospects not their franchise player.

Why wouldn't they just extend Stepan for a little more than Schenn is making? he's got locker room chemistry with the team already and i'm sure he'd be willing to extend and finish his career there if the team continues to move in the right direction.

I think this trade is short sighted and shows a lack of perspective of what the other team would gain from this.




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09 Apr 2020 16:54:22
"Wahhh nobody likes my trade proposal, something must be wrong with them! "

Instead of standing on the Blues side of this trade, why don't you hop over to the Coyotes side and explain with reason and facts why the Coyotes would be trading their franchise defenseman, their captain, for a center?

Its easy to say he's overpaid when you think your team is doing them a favor in picking him up, but that contract is going to look a lot better in 2-3 years when you've got players worse than him making $9+

Find a need for both teams and come back with something logical.




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07 Apr 2020 15:23:58
@Veritus Tokyo Smoke thanks for asking :)

If he's worth more, how much more?





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