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29 Aug 2020 12:14:55
Marner and 15th overall to Detroit for Mantha, Hronek and a 2nd or 3rd.


1.) 29 Aug 2020 14:27:30
And Detroit isn't giving the Leafs a 1st Round Pick and the Leafs give up there's?
It would be more Mantha and Hronka and there 1st Round Pick 2020, and there 3rd Round Pick 2021 for Marner if it where to happen which it won't.

2.) 29 Aug 2020 18:11:40
Mantha and Hronek over 11 Mil Mitch all day every day.

3.) 29 Aug 2020 18:30:49
EP, . That's why I included the 15th pick. Pinball you underrate Hronek and Mantha.

4.) 30 Aug 2020 06:39:33
Mantha will probably get 9 million if he signs long term which I wouldn’t want the leafs to touch let alone add 15th overall. Take out Mantha and add someone else. 4th overall or Siender would be my starting price personally. Obviously Larkin but I wouldn’t do that if I were Detroit.

5.) 30 Aug 2020 15:19:15
VB, what has Mantha done to justify 9 million? You could probably justify 7mill maybe. He is a good player, tough and can score but 9 million isn't happening.

6.) 31 Aug 2020 02:27:31
Is Skinner is worth 9 he is.

7.) 31 Aug 2020 14:02:49
We all know Skinner is not worth it. Dumb signing.



20 May 2020 23:33:13
To Carolina


To Toronto

Pesce and Necas

Sign Pietrangelo

Trade Dermott and Hill for picks

Reilly Pietrangelo
Muzzin Pesce
Sandin Lehtonen


1.) 21 May 2020 03:19:21
Here’s the thing, if the leafs are making this trade to get Pesce, they could simply sign someone else, like Vatanen, Gudas, or Shattenkirk.

Then they could simply trade Marner for two very skilled young cheap forwards, like Max Comtois and Sam Steel or Pavel Zacha and Jack Hughes (Just examples don’t take it too seriously)

The point is, the leafs could get a lot more simply by signing two FA defenders and the trading Marner for significant futures.

2.) 21 May 2020 04:52:26
I wouldn’t do that from a leafs POV personally. Value wise it’s in favour of Carolina they atleast should give Toronto their 1st back and where does Neces even fit in? 3C? Who replaces Marner? I don’t like Necas as a fit he’s a valuable piece that is not needed by Toronto.

3.) 21 May 2020 05:07:12
Marner and Kerfoot
B. Pesce, J. Staal 50% retained and M. Necas.

4.) 21 May 2020 11:20:06
So apparently you haven't heard much about Necas. He plays wing on the Hurricanes and is a very highly skilled, highly regarded forward.

Mostleaf, the names you mention do not make the defense better. You named 3 dmen, all of which are mediocre at best.

For the Leafs to get any better they have to get at least 1 top end dmen. Like I said to vb on my last post, I guess you are willing to settle at being just a top ten team and not a cup contender because current defense structure or even adding one of the three names you suggest would not make them cup contenders.
The defense I listed makes them cup contenders while still having top two lines of Matthews Nylander Johansson and Tavares Hyman and Necas or Kapanen. A well rounded team.

5.) 21 May 2020 12:15:39
VB, I would like to give you credit for a very fair re-bound offer.

6.) 21 May 2020 14:24:43
Cherry I mean if they still signed Pietrangelo as well, and the names I listed were just examples. There is also TJ Brodie, Justin Shultz, and Tavis Hamonic. Their defence would look like:


They wouldn’t need another star studed defenceman, just someone who could fill into their top 4. They could even keep Holl if they wanted, and there is always the option to trade Dermott for someone to fill in that spot.

7.) 21 May 2020 15:53:04
Ok. what about

Marner, Kerfoot and Holl or Dermott


Slavin (preferred) or Pesce, Necas and Staal.

8.) 21 May 2020 17:14:19
Retentions is needed on Staal leafs can’t pay a 3C 6 million. Slavin will not be moved but that’d be nuts and Dermott has no value to Carolina Bean and Flury are waiting on the left side already consisting of Slavin, Edmonston and Gardiner.

Leafs will be fine with a healthy lineup and Babcock gone.

9.) 21 May 2020 20:12:43
That Marner trade is not enough.

10.) 21 May 2020 22:37:09



19 May 2020 16:10:52
To Toronto

Mantha and Hronek and a pick

To Detroit

Marner and Dermott

Sign Pietrangelo
Trade Holl for a pick

Matthews Nylander Johansson
Tavares Mantha Hyman
Kerfoot Engvall Kapanen
Spezza Barbanov Gauthier

Reilly Pietrangelo
Muzzin Hronek
Sandin Lehtonen


1.) 19 May 2020 16:54:17
Why would the leafs do that? If Detroit wants Marner they’d need to start with Siender and add on there. Mantha would cost like 8-9 million to resign so they’re barely getting cap space for a far inferior player. Hornek while good isn’t the type of dman the leafs need. If the pick is Detroit’s 1st then the leafs take it and run but I can promise the leafs have absolutely no interest in Mantha.


Marner and Dermott
Sinder, Zandina and 2 2nds.

2.) 19 May 2020 18:19:36
So you have direct contact with Dubas? Yea no one wants a 30 goal scorer. I agree he is inferior to Marner but if he can be signed for 7 millionish and you add Hronek who is a very capable right side defensive and offensive dman it strengthens there lineup. As much as I like Marner I would do this trade. If the pick has to be a 2nd rounder I would do it.

3.) 19 May 2020 18:35:57
Horrible trade for the Leafs. Marner is so undervalued here by too many pro-Leafs posters. I would love to see him on the Jets but like the Leafs big 3 he is overpaid and there is no way the Leafs eat some of his salary. Keep Marner and try to fill your numerous holes by trading either Tavarez or Matthews.

4.) 19 May 2020 18:44:11
So trade your centre depth? Centre and dmen are your toughest commodities to find. Marner is the trade if any. It's not that I don't appreciate Marner because I love him as a player. But 11 million is about 1-2 million to much and there are not many teams that can take that contract on. Islandjet please tell me what a fair return would be? I would love it if the return was more.

5.) 19 May 2020 19:16:55
While I like Marner, this sets us back not forward. Our biggest need is on Defence which Hronek is honestly our best Dman right now which we aren’t moving. Seider is untouchable so not even going to go there.

While Marner is good and I like him, from a Wings perspective I’m not interested because I don’t see the long term upside to this.

Mantha will not cost 8-9 million at least not right now. Chances are he will ask for similar to Larkin money and with his injuries I could see that as reasonable. It will likely fall in the 5-6 year, 5-7 million range.

I don’t see Marner making us Cup Contenders much faster than Mantha, so I will keep Mantha, Draft, develop and work towards getting better.

6.) 19 May 2020 20:02:51
I think you were sarcastic islnandjet, but you were right. Marner is very undervalued. I think people forget he is only 22. He's better than someone like Kane or Kucherov when he was that age.

7.) 19 May 2020 20:09:12
You don’t need to be a genius to know the leafs aren’t interested in a expensive power forward like Mantha he’s good and a lot of teams would love him but he doesn’t fit into the skill based system. This makes the leafs a worse team. If the wings wanted Marner they’d have to give up atleast Sinder and not a 1 dimensional dman like Horonek he’s not as bad as Deangelo but he’s probably on Tyson Barries level or a prime Mike Green.

8.) 19 May 2020 22:16:49
Vbbb, I don’t think you’ve watched Hronek enough. He’s not 1 dimensional as Barrie or Green are.

He plays a more complete game with a balance of offence and defence. Problem is because the team played bad as a whole, you think he’s horrendous defensively.

Any contending team has a solid Top 4 Dman. We have 1 in Hronek and moving him right now is not an option unless we get an upgrade.

9.) 19 May 2020 22:17:40
Well, unless a miracle happens vb, the leafs won't win a cup with its current structure on defense. Let's just aim to be a top ten team, not a cup contender.

10.) 20 May 2020 13:53:36
I can agree that I haven’t closely followed Hronek per say but he does strike me as the offensive type I remember watching the wings and Hronek got a lot of ice time and I think he was -3 he did stand out tho. I understand why the wings wouldn’t move Hronek but this makes no sense from the leafs either.

@i took donscherry then the leafs should move Marner in a deal where an expensive winger isn’t the main piece. Mantha will be making atleast as much as Nylander and I think he uses Skinner 9 million as a comparison the leafs wouldn’t have enough to sign Petro.



16 Feb 2020 03:02:31
To Columbus

Josh Anderson and David Savard

To Toronto

Kasperi Kapanen and Tyson Barrie

Each team trading a pending UFA.


1.) 16 Feb 2020 04:23:16
I thought Savard has another year.

2.) 16 Feb 2020 13:10:34
Two players having awful years for two having decent ones, doesn’t seem fair to me.

3.) 16 Feb 2020 14:36:40
Anderson is a UFA. Who are the two players having awful years? If you mean Savard, I haven't seen or heard anything about playing bad. Anderson has been hurt, is due to return soon and is not an offensive guy. He never has bad years. He's just not an offensive guy.



15 Jul 2019 23:33:17
Toronto sends Marner and Liljegren and a pick to Anaheim for Manson, Rakell and Kase.

Toronto's defense would be Reilly Manson
Muzzin Barrie
Dermott Ceci


1.) 15 Jul 2019 23:50:38
I’d be really disappointed if this is what Toronto got i'd rather 4 1sts I love Rakels contract but he’s a huge down grade and Manson is a solid number 3 but he’s nothing special. I’d consider if it was Lindholm instead of Manson.

2.) 15 Jul 2019 23:51:21
Probably the best Marner proposal yet tho.

3.) 16 Jul 2019 00:24:46
Although Rakell is a downgrade he still is pretty good. Manson is the tough physical presence they need on defense and I think Kase could be a good 2nd liner one day.

4.) 16 Jul 2019 00:26:21
The 4 1sts won't help Toronto with there current lineup. By the time those players are ready to play if at all, Toronto's team will be very different. I would rather players than picks.

5.) 16 Jul 2019 00:48:28
Manson is a deffensman they need once Muzzin is gone the leafs will have no one physical on the backend what if the leafs added a 2nd and Anaheim added a 1st?




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07 Sep 2017 12:20:23
Galchenyuk, Pacioretty and Juulson to NYI for Tavares and Lee.


1.) 09 Sep 2017 14:05:13
if i'm montreal i don't give that up unless he signs an extention south of 10m. and i don't see tavares signing for less than toews and kane.



07 Jul 2017 14:55:01
Interested to know what kind of rhd the leafs could get with a package of JVR, Kapanen/Bracco/Leivo and the 2018 1st rounder. What opinions are out there?


1.) 07 Jul 2017 15:56:56
I don't think u can lump Leivo in w Bracco and Kappanen. Their values are higher than his.

2.) 07 Jul 2017 16:51:31
None that are top 2 very few that are young top4. Probably a 30 + top 4 maybee.

3.) 07 Jul 2017 17:21:50
I think leivo will be better then both of them scene him play a lot in years past reminds me of a mark stone underrated type of player.

4.) 08 Jul 2017 01:32:28
Burns or Hedman of course Maybe take the pick out and could get Doughty.

5.) 08 Jul 2017 15:23:56
Would prefer to trade Brown over Kappy.

6.) 08 Jul 2017 15:24:01
JVR, Connor Brown, Travis Dermotte and 2018 1st for Trouba.

JVR+ for Honka and Lethonen

Connor Brown and 2018 protected 1st for Tanev

2nd Rd and Lievo for Mike Green.

7.) 08 Jul 2017 19:24:42
Why get Burns or Hedman when you can get Adam Larsson?

8.) 08 Jul 2017 19:27:47
Why get Doughty when you could get Adam Larsson though?

9.) 09 Jul 2017 01:01:54
Brown is already better then kappy. Kappy won't be that good nhl yes but not a sure top 6.

10.) 12 Jul 2017 23:54:12
You can't get Adam Larsson tho. Nice try.



26 Apr 2017 18:17:47
Saying it again as I think it's the best option for the leafs.....

JVR and Carrick for Manson and Bieksa plus pick improvement going the leafs way. Ducks get to keep Vatanen, Fowler and Lindholm while Toronto has a top 6 defense of

Reilly Manson
Gardiner Zaitsev
Dermott/Hunwick/Polak Bieksa

Makes leafs tougher on the back end and gives the ducks a top 6 forward they can protect.


1.) 26 Apr 2017 19:51:31
I think if you can convince a team to take Bieksa, Anahiem would have to sweeten the pot a little more, as your doing them a HUGE favor. Not really sure what though.

2.) 26 Apr 2017 21:34:21
I think you're right. Without trading any big assets this would be the way to go for both teams.

3.) 26 Apr 2017 22:34:52
Doesn't Bieksa have a NMC where he would have some control where he wants to go?
I think At this point in his career he would say no to a trade to the Leafs to be honest.
And Leafs could just sign a FA D man for their third pairing or give the ice time to a younger guy.

4.) 26 Apr 2017 23:29:30
Ya, he does have a NMC, so he would have to waive that. He may for Toronto Yup. its becoming more attractive to play there. But who knows.
I also agree, they could just go oit and sign a UFA.

5.) 27 Apr 2017 01:19:41
So Toronto protects Reilly, Manson, Gardiner and Bieksa. Who do they leave unprotected?



26 Feb 2017 15:57:29
As a leaf fan I wouldn't mind seeing Nash and Klein traded to Toronto. It's about a 10.5 mil cap hit with both contracts expiring after next year. Could you imagine Nash on Matthews left wing? The Rangers could use the cap space and I would imagine be very happy getting the cap space. With this, maybe the leafs could pick up some young assets such as picks or prospects. Would also open the leafs up to trading polar and or hunwick for more picks. What offers could you see having these players traded?


1.) 26 Feb 2017 16:44:52
well to be taking on all that cap leafs better be receiving some other pieces. I don't think Lou is nice enough to anybody favours.

2.) 26 Feb 2017 17:00:18
Maybe in the offseason.




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02 Feb 2022 19:14:51
Would like this as a leaf fan but no incentive for Chicago to take this. If Chicago were to trade those players youth would have to be going the other way.




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11 Jun 2021 22:50:36
JAnderson, Campbell was not at fault for losing. There weakness was there forwards only. Campbell played pretty good in the series. Not willing to guarantee he is not a potential number one.




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16 May 2021 15:29:53
Nylander, Eichel hasn't done enough to justify be rated better than either Marner or Matthews. Could he be? Absolutely. His diac in his neck is going to be a huge hindrance on him. So we may never find out.




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04 Apr 2021 17:52:01
You said you would on a previous post Nylander. Backtracking now?




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04 Apr 2021 17:50:26
Why would the leafs trade Dermott. Playing well on the 3rd pair. If they do they get more than what you suggest.





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