13 Jun 2018 14:46:04
Ok so I'm curious just how out of touch with reality some of you are here so let's judge on reactions to this.
Ottawa currently has a new issue that pretty much guarentees a Hoffman trade so.

Ottawa : Hoffman, white, the 4th overall, ceci

Buffalo : 1st overall, 3rd rounder

Why does buffalo do this?

Because it's above maximum value for that pick and helps them in every area possible while allowing them to remain in the top 5 picks of the draft on top of that.

Why does ottawa do this?

To get a star back in the Hoffman trade who can make a difference now. Hoffman is a good as gone after recent issues involving his girlfriend so why not maximise his return value by adding a high end prospect in white, a top 4 defenceman in Ceci, and a 4th overall pick and prying the 1st overall out of buffalo?

If you all think there is something wrong with this trade or that ottawa not giving enough here you might want to feel your heads because you may be seriously sick. While dahlin is amazing the top 4 pick will be a top 6 / top 4 guy more likely than not, white will also eventually crack top 6, Ceci already top 4, and hoffman already a top 6 60 point getter. that kind of package can get you pretty much any player you want from any team.

1.) 13 Jun 2018
13 Jun 2018 15:11:06
Why Buffalo doesn’t do it?

There isn’t a player in that package they need more than Dahlin.

2.) 13 Jun 2018
13 Jun 2018 15:48:42
Chabot instead of Ceci and they think about it for 2 seconds.

3.) 13 Jun 2018
13 Jun 2018 16:13:48
MTRL galgher 1 rnd 2 rnd
OTTW Huffman karlson both teams get what need.

4.) 13 Jun 2018
13 Jun 2018 16:29:14
The whole sens franchise isn’t worth Dahlin.

5.) 13 Jun 2018
13 Jun 2018 16:55:21
Mcjesus get real dude trade is an over payment as is they wouldn't have to add Chabot.

Other guy with the inappropriate name that I can't mention without having my message blocked or unseen, pretty sure Hoffman is in that deal as well as a shot at zadina or tkechuck, pretty sure buffalo needs scoring, pretty sure a 60 point proven winger/ center like Hoffman and a highly rated draftee like zadina or tkechuck provide that, they need toughness, pretty sure tkechuck alone screams toughness, they need a decent defence partner for ristolainen which ceci provides them with, and after moving kane recently depth is also a need, white gives them extra depth and future trade value as he too is expected to be a high end player down the road.

I wanted to see if my claims were true or not and these reactions to this trade specifically prove to the entire world that the people on this site are nothing more than video game gms who have no concept of reality.

6.) 13 Jun 2018
13 Jun 2018 16:59:18
Habs4cup ottawa trying to move Hoffman to get them away from one another. did you not here the recent news concerning their girls?

Even if that wasn't the case that trade you mentioned isn't enough for karlsson alone let alone both lol.

7.) 13 Jun 2018
13 Jun 2018 18:40:01
Rambo I feel you over value Hoffman just a little he is a good top 6 WINGER not a center. Ceci is a #3-4 Dman and is no where near what Dahlin can bring to the sabers. also if you argue that sabers need a D to play with Risto then your trade is flawed as him and Ceci both shoot Right and neither play there off side naturally while Dahlin is expected to jump right into the NHL. Also white is a great prospect but sabers don't need center depth as that's there strength. I'm not saying no based on value value wise it's close but NEED wise it's not.

8.) 13 Jun 2018
13 Jun 2018 19:43:43
Lol Rambo it doesn’t matter who you give off sens buffalo will NEVER trade dahlin get a clue bud.

9.) 13 Jun 2018
13 Jun 2018 22:16:13
Having a clue is not Rambo's strong suit.

10.) 14 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 02:50:46
I couldn’t put it any better than how CTC55 laid it out.

11.) 14 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 03:42:08
Scouts have been quoted saying Dahlin is the best defenseman they’ve seen in decades. Comparable to Lidstrom. LIDSTROM. You can’t actually think a package where the highlight is Hoffman would even be considered, can you?

Dahlin is a #1D on any team in the league. Posting trades for him is just a waste of time, it’s not going to happen.

12.) 14 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 04:20:31
Ctc55 sure Ceci is not dahlin but he is a solid top 4 defenceman. add a top 6 winger/ center in Hoffman a top 4 pick and a high end prospect in white and the value is more than there.

Look up Hoffman's history bro he started out as a center not a winger and can play both.

13.) 14 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 11:36:37
Rambo. Hoffman has literally never played center at the nhl level. He just flat out is not a center man. Also, Ceci is definitly not a very solid top 4 Defenceman. Sure us Sens fans can say that in hopes to increase his trade value, but he just isnt. He has proven time and again that he just isn't the elite rhd that sens management think he is.

14.) 14 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 13:54:45
Incoming: durrrrp it’s a conspiracy you guys are undervaluing muh senatours.

15.) 14 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 14:00:36
Rambo read before you write I never said value wasn't there, it's the fact that Buffalo's needs don't match that what you are offering rn. They are far from a Stanley cup run and this would be a trade to a team that just missed out on the playoffs and won the draft but Buffalo has to many holes to fill to give up a 1st OVA in a trade that fills maybe 1 need of 4 and only fills it for likely 2 years.

16.) 15 Jun 2018
14 Jun 2018 22:44:28
And ctc55 Ceci not the only one going to sabers in this deal.

White is expected to be a top 6 center in a few years time.

Hoffman is a top 6 winger who can play center and logs big point totals of 60 plus annually for going on5 years now and isn't slowing down.

And the 4th overall is going to easily be a top 6 guy no matter who it turns out to be assuming the team with the pick don't take a major risk and pick outside the obvious top 4 players available.

Add Ceci who is top 4 defenceman and young and cheap in his own right's and how does that not equal over the value of dahlin?

I get the guy is highly hyped but honestly what's he really done to deserve that hype? In his current league he only put up 20 something points in 40 something games and his plus minus isn't that special, hec boqvist, dobson, and bouchard all have better stat totals, and while he did great at world juniors he didn't stand out as much as you would think he would and never won the gold.

To be honest I could see a small chance he follows Erick Johnson's footsteps of being over hyped and not living up to it. like I said SMALL CHANCE!

17.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 03:53:11
Rambo you just aren’t taking anyone’s input though you just think you’re right and nothing else. So let me break it down for you

1) Ceci no matter how high you are on him he is an TFA rn and is a #4 d-man and will always be that he’s not going to blow you away with points but he can log you 20-23 minuets a night guy
2) you keep saying Hoffman is an annual 60 points guy but fact is he’s only done that once in his career and at the NHL level hasn’t played Center.
3) white is an amazing prospect but what the sabres need rn isn’t a young center as they already have there top 3 centers that are still fairly young
4) the 4th OVA is good but who knows how good the player might be
5) Dahlin was playing against men an put up those numbers he was in the SHL not a junior league like all those D you listed to go after him, when Boqvist was put into the SHL he looked out of place and weak compared to all the other players.

So Rambo if you don’t listen to what people are saying then you’ll never be agreed with stop hyping your senators up, fact is no one really knows the value of any player spot on but at the very least look at what the other team needs and work from that but as it stands rn Dahlin is worth more than anything because of the hype will he turn out who knows but as of now nothing can match his value.

18.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 11:59:16
Ctc55 I've been following the nhl for quire some time now since I was like 8 years old dude. Hoffman played majority of his rookie and softmore years for ottawa as a center. he split between center and wing I know that for a fact as I was at a few of those early games watching him. And the 60 point thing ok I'll change my wording so you can understand his point per game average has been at a 60 points annually pace if given a full season of games, better? And he put up 56 points this past year playing on several different lines with several different line mates and not having an instant chemistry with Duchene, majority of this year was on 3rd line with pageau and he still did that so do I carry a high value on him? Yes and it's well earned and deserved.

And Ceci is what 24? He's still young and still has room to improve before his prime.

The 4th is a guarentee if used right. Svechnikov, tkechuck, and zadina are all nhl ready and will be huge stars where ever they go. Only 2 can be picked before pick 4 unless dahlin drops which is even better so either way the 4th gives great value to the trade.

Sabers are shopping cruelly dude so white coming in would easily fill that wood at number 2 or 3.

I'm not discounting everyone else I'm actually asking a number of times why certain players and picks specifically ones that belong to sens are always so undervalued compared to players and picks belonging to other teams but of the same level and constantly get no response or a laughable troll post.

19.) 15 Jun 2018
15 Jun 2018 13:32:36
Its because No one and I mean NO ONE knows any value and because if you watch a guy more and more you rather fall in love with the guy or hate him I'm not trying to be mean or anything, I just pull out the facts I see I apologize if I came off as rude but I was just stating why I think it will not work and why Buffalo will not do it. And the only reason I think Ottawa would pay that price is the whole Hoffman drama going on if that wasn't happening I doubt Ottawa would do this.

20.) 18 Jun 2018
18 Jun 2018 12:38:17
Ok fair enough on your last comment. I believe it would help buffalo adding those 4 as they are all pretty much nhl ready with 2 of 4 already nhl proven too, but i can see your point too as to why it wouldn't make them a contentor right away.

As for whoever made the negative comment on Ceci dude carried a pilon for 3 seasons and made that pilon look better than he is I'd say that's a good number 3 dman.

And hoff68 for a guy with that name you certainly haven't followed the player all that closely. His rookie season saw him center the 4th line and at times the 3rd line. I was at a few of those game and remember them well because I won some good money bets at a couple of them.