16 Dec 2021 17:30:49
Arizona : Chychrun

Ottawa : Branstrom, Boucher, Zaitsev, 2022 2nd, 2023 3rd

1.) 17 Dec 2021
16 Dec 2021 23:43:20
I think Arizona will get a better offer.

2.) 17 Dec 2021
17 Dec 2021 10:36:05
Boucher has little value at this point. Branstrom, Zaitsev, a 2022 second and top 5 protected 2023 first, which is supposed to be a better draft. Otherwise it moves to 2024.

3.) 17 Dec 2021
17 Dec 2021 16:40:47
Greg345 Boucher does NOT have very little value lol good try though. He is a recent top 10 overall pickwho hasn't even played a full season yet. No player drops that much value that fast, sorry it just doesn't happen. And Branstrom is a highly regarded prospect himself and former 1st himself.

Arizona said they want two 1sts or 1st value prospects for Chychrun. Both Branstrom and Boucher more than meet these requirements. The 2 picks I mentioned and an able bodied nhl defenseman like Zaitsev are just sweeteners to make it happen.

No way Ottawa gives up a 1st in either of the 2022 or 2023 drafts with how deep both are. There's no need for that anyway with all the young prospects system wide. That's just dumb to even suggest that in the first place.

4.) 17 Dec 2021
17 Dec 2021 23:24:20
@Sens_Able "Arizona said they want two 1sts or 1st value prospects for Chychrun. "

When did they say that? Got a link?

I think if that were all they want for him he'd be gone already.

5.) 18 Dec 2021
18 Dec 2021 01:17:28
Add something better than Brannstrom and I think Arizona takes it. Maybe like

Jake Sanderson, Tyler Boucher, Nikita Zaitsev and 1st for Jacob Chychrun? Although I’d never do it if I was Ottawa. No need to rush things, they got some good prospects that could make the jump in 1-3 years.

6.) 18 Dec 2021
18 Dec 2021 14:40:13
Calgary offers Nikita Zadorov, Jusso Valimaki or Connor Mackey (SJ's choice), Jakob Pelletier and a 2022 unprotected first.

Big Z needs to be in there both for cap purposes and because he's the player who'd be losing his spot on the roster.

7.) 18 Dec 2021
18 Dec 2021 19:44:25
I strongly believe Pelletier is the future Gaudreau replacement and is a major reason the Stockton Heat are doing so well this year. He simply makes everyone around him better; so I don't want to lose him.

If CGY acquired Chychrun, would you consider moving Hanifin + a Pick/ Prospect to BOS for Brandon Carlo and Mike Reilly? Or would you trade Hanifin + something for Chychrun?

Chychrun-Andersson
Kylington-Tanev
Reilly-Carlo.

8.) 18 Dec 2021
18 Dec 2021 21:42:06
NotACasual nope, Branstrom is more than enough. He is still a top draw prospect himself. And Sanderson definitely NOT touchable in any trade, let alone Sanderson, Boucher and a 1st. Unless of course Arizona is sending their 1st back with Chychrun? But even then I still wouldn't do it with Sanderson involved, no way!

Either that's your best attempt yet a a dumb troll joke, or you seriously have no clue what trade value is or how it's determined? Because your proposal is basically making Ottawa look like a bunch of morons who have no idea how to run a hockey team while Arizona comes out looking like the greatest bank robber in the history of planet earth

9.) 19 Dec 2021
19 Dec 2021 00:21:32
@Sens_Able Brannstrom is not a top prospect. Arizona will get much better offers for Chychrun if (and that's a really big if) they're seriously considering trading him. If they are he'd instantly be the top free agent on the market.

@Trevor I'd rather keep Hanifin but I would consider trading Hanifin plus something else for Chychrun. It'd depend on what the plus is.

Chychrun is a year younger, a little better, almost as big and it seems to me he's a more physical player too. Both players are on team friendly contracts but Chychrun's contract is 350k/ yr less and has more term left on it.

10.) 19 Dec 2021
19 Dec 2021 00:23:10
My bad, I meant Chychrun would be the top *player* on the market not the top free agent.

11.) 19 Dec 2021
19 Dec 2021 01:14:51
I don’t really believe Arizona is interested in moving Chychrun out either but I don’t believe or see why we’d need both Chychrun AND Hanifin. Noah is super reliable defensively and is great value, but he could improve offensively for sure. He needs to shoot more.

12.) 19 Dec 2021
19 Dec 2021 01:36:38
ARI:Chychrun/ Crouse/ Boyd for
CGY:Hanifin/ Valimaki/ Pitlick/ Adam Werner.

13.) 19 Dec 2021
19 Dec 2021 05:01:01
Brannstroms value is higher than Valimaki’s so take that as you wish Calgary fans.
Hanifin for Chychrun makes sense for Calgary but I don’t see why Arizona does it? The point would be to get younger.
I think Chychrun for Coronato, Zadorov, Valimaki, 1st and 2nd is reasonable.

14.) 19 Dec 2021
19 Dec 2021 07:25:29
Brannstrom's value isn't close to Valimaki's. Valimaki is still a top prospect with far more potential than an undersized fringe player like Brannstrom who wouldn't ever make an NHL roster with most teams.

Coronato, Zadorov, Valimaki, 1st and 2nd would too much. That's worth about double what Brannstrom, Boucher, Zaitsev, 2022 2nd, 2023 3rd are worth.

Brannstrom worth more than Valimaki. I can't stop laughing!

15.) 19 Dec 2021
19 Dec 2021 07:50:18
Monix do you seriously not follow social media it litterally all over the internet.

"After already trading Christian Dvorak, Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Conor Garland and Darcy Kuemper, the Arizona Coyotes still might not be done. According to The Fourth Period, Arizona is asking for two first-round picks for defenseman Jakob Chychrun. This was revealed on The NHL Network."



"Pagnotta revealed that Bill Armstrong is seeking two first round picks in exchange for Chychrun, a price that will give just about every team in the NHL pause when it comes to this potential trade."



There's 2 links right there. I could show more if you like? But easier for you to just Google it yourself.

Chychrun isn't the be all end all of defenseman, not like he'd cost much more than that with so many other options on the market

16.) 19 Dec 2021
19 Dec 2021 16:54:59
Moxnix i said the original offer wasn’t enough. Name one reason why Brannstrom is worth less than trash Valimaki. Dudes awful, hasn’t played NHL quality hockey in a while. Prolly going to go to waivers anyways.

17.) 19 Dec 2021
19 Dec 2021 18:06:47
I did google it, couldn't find a single reference stating they set a price for Chychrun.

I guess you never noticed the twitter quote in the NHL Network article about 2 first round picks no longer exists on twitter.

Gee I wonder why that is? It wouldn't be because it was fabricated out of thin air by this "Hockey Hound" character would it?

The hockeyfeed link is just Pagnotta making a reference the twitter post.

18.) 19 Dec 2021
19 Dec 2021 18:24:58
@Hockey_Dad

I'll give you three reasons.

1. Valimaki is bigger
2. Valimaki is more talented
3. Valimaki is trying to crack a roster with multiple offensive defensive who are better two way players than any defenseman the Sens have.

The Sens best defensemen are Chabot an offensive defenseman and his more defensively responsible partner Zub. Valimaki would most likely be number three in Ottawa.

19.) 19 Dec 2021
19 Dec 2021 18:26:56
Also Valimaki is waiver exempt. If he wasn't they wouldn't have tried sending him back to Stockton because he would have been snapped up immediately off waivers.

20.) 19 Dec 2021
19 Dec 2021 20:03:16
Ah I Love It, Good Banter! Time will tell who's actually "Trash" "Garbage" or a "Bust" lol.

As @MoxNix correctly stated, Valimaki has a lot of competition in CGY being a LD. RD's are more rare, so can probably make a Team more easily than an LD, simply because of the amount of skilled players at that position in comparison. Valimaki will likely be a very good, of not great, NHL player for some Team, but he's not a Sutter guy, he's a bit soft for his size and he's entitled and whiny, so given the depth we have at that position, he's expendable and can be moved for another needed piece, as he's still valuable and for sure > than Brannstrom.

@HockeyDad, I don't truly believe Arizona wants to Trade Chychrun, but maybe they know something we all don't AND/ OR Chychrun has asked to be moved (since playing for a losing Team gets old fast, just ask Jack Eichel) OR they simply want to try and sell high on Chychrun. At the end of the day, it's Business, so if they can attract an "Offer They Can't Refuse", they will move him.

21.) 20 Dec 2021
20 Dec 2021 01:31:26
Yeah I don't think Arizona wants to trade Chychrun either. I can only see two reasons why they would even consider trading him.

1. He wants out and asked for a trade.
2. They started talking to him about an extension and he's either not at all interested in resigning or wants a lot more money/ term than they're willing to give him.

22.) 20 Dec 2021
20 Dec 2021 21:18:06
Just reading TheHockeyNews and they’re suspecting Arizona may not like Chychrun’s injury issues. I wasn’t aware he’s already had 2 knee surgeries.

23.) 20 Dec 2021
20 Dec 2021 21:48:15
Yeah, I wasn't aware of that until recently either. All the sites are saying something seems "off" about the whole thing now.

He is on IR atm, maybe it's more knee problems.

24.) 21 Dec 2021
21 Dec 2021 13:58:27
Late getting back to the party. No way Sens include Sanderson in anything. Regarding Boucher, the key part of when I said no value at this point is "at this point". He hasn't contributed much at BU. Yes, he is a freshman and he is playing against older players. But, everyone knocked the pick saying it was a huge reach. I love the Ottawa amateur scouting staff led by Trent Mann, but like every team they have had their swings and misses. Shane Bowers for one, but he got flipped. Jonny Tychonick is another. Would Arizona have taken him where Ottawa did in the first round? Doubt it. In fact, Arizona may be happy with just Brannstrom and a haul of draft picks.

25.) 24 Dec 2021
24 Dec 2021 02:48:15
Monix clearly you didn't look hard enough or you are blind. Either way there are plenty of sources stating Chychrun asking price. 2 of which I actually sent you links to already. Open your eyes.

And Valimaki doesn't carry half Branstroms value let alone more than it lmfao get off your high horse.

26.) 25 Dec 2021
25 Dec 2021 00:33:37
There's no need to be attacking or rude here @Sens-Able; it doesn't look good on you my friend.

Anyways, not sure what's going on with Brannstrom, as he had a good year with Ottawa last year, but he's been surpassed by Jacob Bernard-Docker, Victor Mete, Joshua Brown and Lassi Thomson this year. Granted he's injured, but he only got played 2 games in November. The Senators simply do not trust or value him as much as you do, so his value has to have dropped.

Valimaki has had pretty similar circumstances, he's shown some flashes but injuries and others stepping up have held him back.

To say Valimaki isn't 1/ 2 the value is ridiculous; it's simply too early to tell at this point, so let's give it time and should Brannstrom take off at some point, please do not hesitate to be the first to remind all of us k.

27.) 31 Dec 2021
31 Dec 2021 21:15:54
Trevor A dude, nothing wrong with Branstrom. He's just not being given a chance to play because Smith don't know what he's doing. He's another Paul Maclean who has no faith in young players for some dumb reason. The times Branstrom was allowed to play he was one of the best dmen on the ice hands down. While Docker and Thompson looked just as good or better that is understandable as they too are stud prospect dmen as is Sanderson.

But in no way has Mete or Brown looked good at all let alone better than Branstrom. That's a joke if I ever heard one.

And as for Monixx dumb comment of Valimaki being top 3 in Ottawa. He would be lucky if he made Top 6 in Ottawa let alone top 3 lmfao

Chabot, Zub, Sanderson, Docker, Thompson, and Branstrom are all well above his worth. He's lucky to be Klevin level.