01 Apr 2017 14:05:54
Winepeg:Trouba

Leafs:Kadri

This would allow the jets to protect 3 dman (Buff Myers and Enstrom) kadris value is at an all time high coming off of a 35 goal season. This would also allow little to be there 3rd line C

1.) 01 Apr 2017
01 Apr 2017 14:43:09
No from the Leafs.

2.) 01 Apr 2017
01 Apr 2017 15:16:05
He's at 30 goals and career high before that was 20. Not to take away from kadri, he's been great. I know leafs need D and I have been saying for a while that Trouba would be a good fit. RHD, plays physical and same age as rielly would be great. I just feel that kadris emergence as a defensive player who plays hard minutes against top players is also something the leafs have been missing for a long time. The 30 goals is a huge bonus. Every team that came into Toronto in the past had that stars (tavares, ovechkin, Crosby etc) who would absolutely have his way with the leafs. That hasn't happened this year, due in large part to kadris play. They need D but Matthews, bozak or nylander cannot do what kadri does. They create a big hole in babcocks structure by doing this. Add in the fact that kadri wants to be in Toronto and is signed for 5 more seasons at 4.5, Trouba has a year left and there are atleast rumors that he doesn't want to be in Canada, I wouldn't do it.

3.) 01 Apr 2017
01 Apr 2017 15:41:19
Kadri has really developed into a really good valuable member of the Leafs. with all the hype on the kids, he coulda jus sulked his way out of T. O., but no, he showed tremendous character and became the guy Toronto needed. Not onlu do you have to worry about Mathews and rhe rest of the kids, but you have a 30 goal guy in Kadri, who is also going to torment the oppositions top guy's.
As for Trouba, ya he's good. But I also remember his trade demand. at that age, its a privilege to play in the NHL, I don't like kids who come in and start making demands, shut up do your job, be a good team mate So based on that alone. i'd rather keep Kadri .

4.) 01 Apr 2017
01 Apr 2017 16:08:18
What the hell?

Trouba's value is more than Kadri lol.

Just because Kadri had a good season doesn't mean that he has more value than a 6'3 200lbs right-hand shot defenceman who just exceeded his point production while playing less games, playing a really physical brand of hockey.

jesus, Kadri IS HAVING ONE GOOD SEASON.

chill Leafs fans.

You're over-hyping him almost as you were over-hyping Auston Matthews.

5.) 01 Apr 2017
01 Apr 2017 17:00:04
TysonBarrie. You're kidding me right.

So because Marchand is having ONE good season, people are overhyping him? I don't think so.

If a player gets 30 goals, i don't care who it is, their value is high. Especially considering that this season probabky won't even have a 50 GOAL SCORER.

Also, Matthews is overhyped? Kids got 36 goals, the hype was for a purpose. Get off your high horse, leaf-hating bandwagon. The Leafs have two centres who can score 30, talented wingers in Marner/ Nylander and capable dmen in Rielly/ Zaitsev/ Gardiner.

Jim put it really well. Kadris value is at an all time high. he's still growing, and he plays physical. No one on the leafs is like him.

6.) 01 Apr 2017
01 Apr 2017 17:32:49
Jets don't need Kadri desperately and you don't trade a very valuable and useful price for something you don't need. When little is healthy he is a good fit on the second line.
Also TysonBarrie2 I agree that Kadri is a bit overhyped he has to prove himself more than just one season (he might not even break 60 points) . Also Matthews is not overhyped.

7.) 01 Apr 2017
01 Apr 2017 17:30:49
I think leafs add a 2nd. I think trouba could be that solid fan that would help solidify leafs blueline.

8.) 01 Apr 2017
01 Apr 2017 18:07:43
I don't know why there is such a debate. Leafs obviously take this trade if trouba signed in Toronto. Like this shouldn't even be a question. You guys can fill an actual need on D and become a better team but instead you all kiss up a rat player who is having a great year lol. Come on. I'm no leafs fan but this is clear trouba would help them more.

9.) 01 Apr 2017
01 Apr 2017 19:43:53
@MJC

Hear me out on this one.

My opinion may be biased, but heres what I think.

Jake Gardiner, Nikita Zaitsev and Morgan Rielly are solid NHL dmen. that's three dmen.

If we trade JVR to a team like Anaheim, and bring back a defenseman, there's a fourth solid dman.

Trading away Kadri is a step in the wrong direction for this club. As much as we have Auston Matthews and Wiliam Nylander, there are no centre prospects in the AHL/ OHL besides Adam Brooks. Freddy Gauthier is an okay fourth liner, Seth Griffith is probably a forever AHLer, and there's no one else. Defensively its not great either, but at least there are Connor Carrick, Travis Dermott and Andrew Nielsen growing.

Thats why I believe if we're trading a forward for a dman, it should be a winger we're trading (or Tyler Bozak), not a centre. Matthews/ Kadri/ Nylander down the middle would give you a big strong centre, a gritty, shutdown centre and a small skilled centre. With players like Marner, Lindberg, Grundstrom, Kapanen, Leipsic etc, JVR is expandable. JVR for someone like Josh Manson would be perfect, as we trade away from a position of organizational strength, in exchange for a young upcoming dman.

The trade value is pretty close to even honestly, but based on the organizational needs of Toronto, it should be a pass by the leafs. You guys can say what you want about Kadri, but watching him night in and night out, it seems as though he, along with Marner, are two of the leafs who give their all every night. He plays shutdown against players like McDavid, Crosby and Ovie and does rather well at it.


Plus, if Kadri was on any of your teams, scoring 30 goals and taking the defensive responsibilities, I really don't think you'd be talking him down the way you are. If you want to judge a player the way you guys are judging Kadri, you should watch the games. I haven't talked down Trouba at all, cause I haven't seen him play. He seems to be a really goo dman in my honest opinion. Howevee, the way you guys are speaking of Kadri shows that you haven't watched at least 5 leaf games this season. Yeah, maybe its 'one great season', but he's still been a reliable 40-50 point man in the league. Plus, one great season is sometimes all it takes for a players value to peek.

10.) 01 Apr 2017
01 Apr 2017 20:12:09
I see what you're saying TopShelf and you made good points. You know better than I do what the leafs needs are so if you think that it is best for Kadri to stay then I will trust you but what I don't agree with is people over valueing Kadri. His value has gone up and that is undisputable but one season does not define a player. One good season does not get a young, big RHD with top pairing potential. Kadri is not a first line player and he will never be but if he continues what he has done this season then he will be a solid second line Center. The trades on here including Kadri are getting ridiculous and leaf fans are supporting it.
Yes he has scored 30 goals once and that is great but he has done that once and not come close before it. He brings intangibles which is great but does not have the pure talent or skill of a first liner and he is being valued as one. When he puts up 60-70 points for a few seasons straight I'll reconsider but for now cool of with the crazy trades.

11.) 01 Apr 2017
01 Apr 2017 21:09:06
So kadri 48 points in the shortened season does count as a good year he was a point t a game.

12.) 01 Apr 2017
01 apr 2017 23:26:00
@topshelf

haha maybe you should write a book about how bias you are towards leafs.

you don't need centre prospects because your whole team is basically a prospect.

matthews, marner, nylander, bozak as your centre core. you can afford to trade kadri lol. (even though winnipeg would decline. )

'if we trade jvr to a team like anaheim. '' hahaa if. keyword: if!

kadri is still that lazy player than misses practices because he ''overslept''. he is still that inconsistent player. one season doesn't change that.

''one great season is sometimes all it takes for a players value to peek. ''

ever heard of a ''one year wonder''?

kadri had like 6 other years to prove he's worth something.

here are two one year wonders:
jonathan cheechoo
david clarkson (this one should be familiar) .

a lazy player that is having one good season is not worth a defenceman that is always having good seasons and is always improving.

13.) 02 Apr 2017
02 Apr 2017 00:13:39
@tb2

Also, I'd like to point outo that if our team is a 'prospext' what does it make your oilers? Their in the same boat as us dude. Get your facts straight firsto, be respectful and act with some maturity. I used to have respect from you but this kind of childish comeback has thrown most of it out the window.

It looks as if you were desperate to come back at me, so you typed in a rash and prematurely thought of post. Get your head outta the dirt bud. Markers a winger, Bozak is too old right now. The leafs need Kaori, as j stated in my earlier comment. Plus, the JVR thing? It's an IF but Manson for him is pretty fair value. What are you going to say now, oh JVR has no trade value? Come on.


Also, your calling Kaori lazy? Watch leaf games first. That Brown/ Leo/ Kaori line is a dog line defensively. They work up and down the ice and Kaori leads it. He's not a lazy player, he's transitioned since Carlyle was fired and Babcock was hired.

14.) 02 Apr 2017
02 Apr 2017 00:58:31
I just don't see the jets trading trouba unless their getting a proven player that is as young as Trouba.

15.) 02 Apr 2017
02 Apr 2017 01:34:14
Is there something wrong with your keyboard? Half of your argument in that paragraph is saying ''how you had respect for me'' and not actually making any statements adding to the argument.

''Bozak is too old right now'' haha have you ever heard of having veterans on your team and not just 19,20,21 year olds?

''He has transitioned'' what's the proof? you being a bias leaf's fans that notices every good thing kadri does but nothing bad?

Oilers have like 11 veterans.

Maroon
Eberle
DD
Pouliot
Letestu
Hendricks
Lucic
Kassian
Sekera
Russel
Gryba

Maple Leafs?

Komarov
Bozak
Kadri
JVR
Boyle
Martin
Hunwick
Polak.

16.) 02 Apr 2017
02 Apr 2017 02:09:55
Tysonbarrie stick to soccer because you obviously no nothing of hockey because anyone who calls kadri a lazy player is an idiot. Kadri maybe the hardest working and most dedicated player on the leafs. He is easily the hardest working center on the leafs. He never missed/ been late for a practice this year he matured into a better player. Remember Seguin/ Radulov both players matured into elite players and leadership material. Stupid mistakes don't define a players career.

17.) 02 Apr 2017
02 Apr 2017 10:04:57
@VB

''Stupid mistakes don't define a players career. ''

Haha.
Yes they do child.

18.) 02 Apr 2017
02 Apr 2017 11:53:39
@tb2

Gotta give credit where credits due, nice april fools joke.

19.) 03 Apr 2017
03 Apr 2017 22:05:32
@ McJ. I never said kadri has higher value on the market than Trouba does to any other team. I said he has a big role on the leafs that they haven't had in a long time. Also it's easy to say "if Trouba signed in Toronto" but that wasn't in the post I responded to. It says 1 for 1 right now. And kadri is locked in to a great cap friendly contract at 4.5 for 5 more seasons and loves the city and loves the spotlight. No one knows the real story behind troubas trade demands. But it was reported that at least part of it was he didn't want to be in Canada. Taking all that into account, I keep kadri.