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08 Aug 2023 16:05:45
To Winnipeg: Primeau, Petry, Dach

To Montreal: Hellebuyck, Stanley

Primeau starts as a backup to Brossoit and is groomed to be the future #1

Reasoning:

Petry adds genuine depth and support to Morrisey.

Dach is what's needed to acquire Helly

Which then allows for Scheifele to be traded, before we loose him for nothing

flyer123

1.) 08 Aug 2023 16:59:46
- Helly is the wrong age for where MTL is in their rebuild.

- Helly is an excellent goalie, and a contender will want him badly.


2.) 08 Aug 2023 17:46:04
Dach is a good start but the Habs can keep Petry and Primeau.
Also the Jets shouldn't trade Stanley but Schmidt could be added.
This trade would have to include another top player off Montreal roster to happen and not some of their older, overpaid, underperforming players.


3.) 08 Aug 2023 17:51:23
Habs shouldn't consider moving Dach. Like Chickenfoot said, Helly is great and all, but not what the Habs need at this point.
Buffalo would be a good home for Hellybuck.


4.) 08 Aug 2023 20:24:35
The trade makes no sense for either team. Hellebuyck wants to win, so he'd have no interest in signing long term in Montreal.

From Winnipeg's side, Petry isn't waiving for Winnipeg and is too old to consider, whilePrimeau has zero value. AHL tweeter goalies are easy to find.


5.) 08 Aug 2023 20:36:13
I agree with JET & SOSA. Well said boys.


6.) 09 Aug 2023 00:28:35
MEMARCUS: I can’t disagree with you either. All fair points.


7.) 09 Aug 2023 23:17:19
LMAO a UFA goalie even a prime Patrick Roy isn’t worth Dach AND “another young top end player “. He’s worth a 1st and a lottery ticket prospect. Goalies don’t hold trade value even elite ones.


 

 

25 Jul 2023 18:11:46
Now that Bergeron has now officially announced his retirement, perhaps now the Bruins focus on obtaining a centre who is able to play with Marchand, Pasta and JVR - - also known as Scheifele.


To Boston: Scheifele, 3 round pick

To Winnipeg: Zacha, Grzelcyk

flyer123

1.) 25 Jul 2023 23:57:12
No chance Winnipeg needs to add a 3rd for a 3C and an LHD they don't need. Boston would need to come up with a much better offer to interest Winnipeg. Besides Boston isn't trading Zacha right after signing him and he wouldn't waive for Winnipeg if they wanted to.


2.) 26 Jul 2023 14:53:19
The Bruins would be interested in Scheifele but wouldn't want to give the Jets a good roster player to make it happen.


 

 

03 Jul 2023 16:28:32
Hellebuyck in Winnipeg will have to be moved, and Chevy knows this. Waiting until the trade deadline is a huge gamble....so trade him now, at least the season can start fresh with assets in place.


To New Jersey: Hellebuyck, Heinola, Kuhlman, 2nd rounder

To Winnipeg: Vanecek, Mercer, Bratt, 5th rounder


No money retained, no sign and trade required

flyer123

1.) 03 Jul 2023 17:55:09
There is probably no chance that Jersey trades Mercer or Bratt just days after extending him.


2.) 03 Jul 2023 20:56:42
Massive overpay


3.) 03 Jul 2023 23:11:35
Lmao yeah that’s a joke drop Mercer and Bratt then it’s closer.


 

 

16 Jun 2023 17:07:36
A Goalie Twist...

To Anaheim: Hellebuyck, Heinola, 2nd Round pick, 3rd round pick

To Winnipeg: Gibson, Comtois and Strome

Winnipeg gets a starting goalie, with reasonable cost certainty, potential in Comtois and 3rd/2nd line centre in Strome.
The 2nd round pick offsets the age and cost certainty in goal..Heinola and Comtois is a change of scenery, 3rd round is for Strome and depth up the middle when we lose Shiffelle and Dubois

flyer123

1.) 16 Jun 2023 17:40:33
How on earth is Winnipeg giving up the two best players and adding picks for two awful contracts on old players and a meh bottom sixer?

Definite no from Winnipeg.


2.) 16 Jun 2023 18:08:14
Just my opinion - Helly does not want to sign in Wpg, Gibs is an equitable return with cost certainty, (wpg does need to replace Helly regardless of the trade) Heny and Comt are a flip for promise that have both been untapped and Strome is an insurance policy - as Chevy does not know what he has to replace PLD/ Shieff. the draft picks I believe easily offset the gains in cost certainty in net (while staying competitive) and the insurance in Strome.


3.) 16 Jun 2023 19:19:24
No from Winnipeg, they’re giving up the better assets.


4.) 16 Jun 2023 19:44:56
This trade proposal just makes the Jets much weaker.
They should trade Helly for a big young #1 d-man, if any are avalible.
Getting spare pieces and questionable futures won't help the Jets.


5.) 16 Jun 2023 21:19:08
Jets aren’t getting a 1D for Helly! You don’t trade for 1D’s and a goalie especially won’t get one.


6.) 16 Jun 2023 21:45:43
Yeah sorry flyer 123, it just doesn't make sense for the Jets to pay a premium when trading Hellebuyck to get older and worse.

Winnipeg will be looking for young roster or close to roster players with lots of team control.


7.) 18 Jun 2023 21:16:52
Gibsons numbers have been steadily declining, at 30 years old and 4 more years on his deal I have a hard time imagining any value being there without retention from Anaheim. get that 6.4 down to 4.8 and maybe a team will bite, otherwise he's negative value.


 

 

08 Jun 2023 17:25:32
Just a thought...

To Ottawa: Wheeler, Hellebuyck, Hienola
To Winnipeg: Debrincat, Sogaard

Hienola added to offset the need to retain salary for Wheeler



To Vancouver: Scheifele
To Winnipeg: Boeser


To Rangers: PLD
To Winnipeg: LaFreniere

flyer123

1.) 09 Jun 2023 04:42:41
No on all 3 from Winnipeg.

If Debrincat won't sign in Ottawa, he won't sign in Winnipeg, so he has no value to the Jets.

Boeser doesn't have enough value to pull a far better player.

There would need to be a 1st or better player attached to Lafreniere.


2.) 09 Jun 2023 16:27:45
The Ottawa deal is a definite no. Both the Vancouver and NYR deals are close but both need an add on to get the Jets to do the trade.


 

 

 

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09 Dec 2020 16:45:44
Just thought as a point of discussion

As we all share and post our ideas, a common theme that occurs is the value of player contracts.
What if NHL GM's started to convert player contracts that included a base salary - with incentives... that way a player only gets paid for what they do....not what they did in the past.
It could possibly help remove the millstone around a players contract and make it easier for GM's to conduct business. Note: I am sure the NHLPA would never go for this...but its a thought

flyer123

1.) 09 Dec 2020 19:00:46
I've always thought that's how it should be, however, its not that way, or never will be. I think someone like Price making whatever he makes now at 33, is an overpayment, however, when he was 27 or 28 he was the most dominant goalie, and also one of the most dominant players in the game, and made less than what he is worth.

Also, its somewhat hard to measure., someone like Bergeron, may not get as many points as someone like Stamkos or Tavares, but, I think he is the more valuable player, same with Slavin, doesn't get the points someone like his own teammate Hamilton, or a guy like Brodie, but he's more valuable.
It should be ya get paid for how you perform, however its more based on what you did. examples are Ericsson, Lucic, and Price.


2.) 10 Dec 2020 22:13:14
It’s because of players union that these contracts are given out. it’s the same thing in the real world with union jobs. higher pay is definitely not based on performance there either.


3.) 12 Dec 2020 13:24:27
In a way the contracts are still based on performance. If you are just barely good enough to stick around you don’t get much of a raise. You get a big contract based on what you did under your last one, which was likely very undervalued. Hard to do a cap and plan budgets when high percentage of salary are unknown as well.


4.) 15 Dec 2020 02:29:19
I’ve thought this too, but then it makes it very difficult to build a team the right way. All of a sudden there’s another motivation to put personal numbers over team goals. There’s players on every good team that penalty kill, sacrifice their bodies and defend leads or take big face offs that don’t necessarily put up the offense. They do that for the good of the team and in the current system can get rewarded fairly. Lots of those type of guys get multi year deals in the $2.5-4M range. If that isn’t valued financially anymore, why would they do it? Not meaning to sabotage the team, but they could start cheating on their responsibilities that make them important to the team for an offensive chance and who could blame them?

I just feel that with all the video, the scouting, the data that’s out there nowadays GMs should be able to project and pay players for what they will become. They’re never going to be right all the time, but should be right a lot more often than they are wrong.


5.) 16 Dec 2020 16:58:38
Yeah let’s change everything now so the khl becomes the top league in the world or another WHA starts up. like what are we talking here? Only giving out 1 year contracts? Gms already give out deals based on projection and contract comparables these increase most times because of player agents getting the highest possible contract they can or because of a bidding war for a UFa. Sure the owners could possibly start a strike to make these drastic changes but by the time it was settled the majority of players would have moved on and the quality of product the league would then be producing would be much less profitable. as long as the society we live in is structured around the almighty dollar sports players will be getting their cut too. I mean nobody goes to a game to see the owner.


 

 

 

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26 Jul 2023 17:39:27
Perhaps swap Lysell with Debrusk - and move the draft pick to 2025

I think that would get it done.

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10 Jul 2023 19:44:25
I like the Samsonov idea - only if there was some sort of "Sign and Trade". drop all other players and include Liljegren. When dealing away Helly, Winnipeg will need another goalie to remain competitive, . as Brossoit is not a Bonafide starting goalie.


It would then look like:

To Toronto: Hellebuyck

To Winnipeg: Samsonov (sign and trade) and Liljegren.

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16 Jun 2023 18:08:14
Just my opinion - Helly does not want to sign in Wpg, Gibs is an equitable return with cost certainty, (wpg does need to replace Helly regardless of the trade) Heny and Comt are a flip for promise that have both been untapped and Strome is an insurance policy - as Chevy does not know what he has to replace PLD/ Shieff. the draft picks I believe easily offset the gains in cost certainty in net (while staying competitive) and the insurance in Strome.

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