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19 Jan 2021 17:25:06
Perhaps a thought that may meet everyone's need...

To Winnipeg: Trochek, Pesce, 2nd

To Carolina: Laine, Stanley, 3rd

flyer123

1.) 19 Jan 2021 17:40:14
The Jets won't be trading Laine anytime soon.


2.) 19 Jan 2021 17:48:52
Trocheck would need to be replaced by something much better like Necas and Winnipeg certainly would not need to add anything to Laine as he is by far the most valuable player. Pesce is a good start though.


3.) 20 Jan 2021 04:51:09
LOL, jets fans.


 

 

13 Jan 2021 16:46:13
Hmmm...here is thought

To Florida: Perrault

To Winnipeg: Yandle

flyer123

1.) 13 Jan 2021 17:59:19
A thought, but a really bad one. Yandle fortunately won't waive for Winnipeg and the Jets aren't going to trade Perreault for a far worse cap dump.


2.) 13 Jan 2021 18:27:13
50 point Yandle, that just came off a couple of his best offensive seasons? Wouldn’t want him if it meant giving up Perrault either. Cap might be a problem for Winnipeg but can’t say it’s a cap dump.


3.) 13 Jan 2021 18:37:58
Sure you can. He's 34, plays LD, which isn't a need, is a disaster defensively and has a cap hit of $6.35 for 3 more years and his current team is trying to dump him. While Perreault's contract is done after this season. Yandle is absolutely a cap dump. Maybe the Oilers could use him. But not Winnipeg.


4.) 13 Jan 2021 18:44:35
Now if Florida was retaining and kicking in some extra sweetener, it could be a different story.


5.) 13 Jan 2021 20:31:20
The Jets don't need a 34 year old Yandle for 3 more years at a crazy $6.35 mil per. It makes more sense to keep Perreault for this year at a cap hit of $3.5 mil.


6.) 13 Jan 2021 20:44:40
Any team in the league including Edmonton could use a 50 point D. Age isn’t as much of an issue when he just came off his two best seasons offensively. Not every team would take him at his cap. Who’d he be competing with for PP time and on the depth chart in Winnipeg? He makes too much but considering there taking a cap dump back it’s not bad. Might have to retain for years 2 and 3 but then Winnipeg would be adding IMO.


7.) 13 Jan 2021 22:39:04
We have Pionk for the PP. If Yandle was even just slightly below average defensively and they retained on all 3 years maybe, but since he is non-existent defensively, he doesn't serve a purpose for Winnipeg. The Jets don't need help scoring, they need help stopping the other team from scoring.

At 34 it doesn't master that he is coming off of 2 good years, you still know that he's at the age where the wheels can suddenly fall off. Then you're stuck with a big, useless salary.

That's probably why Florida wants to dump him, they can see that the wheels are really starting to wobble now.


8.) 14 Jan 2021 04:00:22
Forgot about Pionk but I’m sure Yandle would still take most PP minutes. In one off season he went from a 50+ point guy to be healthied? got to be something else going on. And I think we can all agree that would be brutal if they ruined his iron man streak. Regardless he’d be an improvement on Perault and he’s worth more but I will agree years 2 and 3 might make it a no go from the Jets.


9.) 14 Jan 2021 14:33:58
I agree Yandle would be an improvement on Perreault but its his contract, term and age that makes it impossible for the Jets or most teams to want to acquire.


10.) 15 Jan 2021 00:13:38
Florida isn't trying to dump yandle for his play. They're just trying to save actual cash.


 

 

17 Dec 2020 21:15:37
I know I posted this before, but I would like to re-vist

To Winnipeg: Myers, Farabee, 2nd

To Philly: Laine, Vesalainen, 3rd

Money saved on Laine could be used to sign Hoffman and maybe even Vatanen

flyer123

1.) 18 Dec 2020 04:01:32
Myers is a nice start, but would need more valuable add-ons and there is probably zero chance the Jets would kick in Vesalainen. Philly also can't afford to move Myers with Niskanen retiring.


2.) 18 Dec 2020 04:59:48
Nice trade.


3.) 18 Dec 2020 07:14:01
Laine > Myers and Farabee alone. Just my opinion, not hating tho, good thought :)


4.) 18 Dec 2020 09:09:51
flyer123 might be frank serivalli trying to make this trade happen to try to save his "insider" rep.


5.) 18 Dec 2020 11:31:19
Winnipeg has to find a way to resign Laine. They couldn't keep Trouba.

As the NHL on SiriusXM said Winnipeg is a first rate organization, with good management and ownership, but they can't seem to convince their picks to stay long-term.

If they can't get their own draft picks to stay long-term then they'll either become an NHL development team for the rest of the league, or history will repeat itself and the team will move.

I'm not a Winnipeg fan, but I hope they figure it out because the NHL is better with a competitive team in Winnipeg.


6.) 18 Dec 2020 13:05:51
That’s very interesting @chickenfoot I’m curious as to what the reason is for players not wanting to resign


7.) 18 Dec 2020 13:25:29
Probably because Winnipeg is an awful place to live. There is absolutely nothing to do there. It’s the backwater of the NHL.


8.) 18 Dec 2020 14:01:38
That's kind of a made up "trouble" Chickenfoot. All teams have players that won't re-sign long term. Matthews in Toronto is a prime example. The Jets have re-signed Connor, Wheeler, Buf, Morrissey, Ehlers, Scheifele, Helle, etc. Laine remains to be seen.

Basically the same rate as most teams.


9.) 18 Dec 2020 15:39:20
The only Jets big name player not resigning long term was Trouba because his girlfriend was working in NY. This trade with the Rangers worked out well for the Jets. Unlike a team that has to pay 1/ 2 of their cap for 4 players the Jets have Ehlers, Scheifele, Helly, Connor, Morrissey and Wheeler locked up long term for the same amount of money. So the Sirius reporter should get his facts straight. The Jets still have 3 years before they have to trade Laine so they are in no hurry.


10.) 18 Dec 2020 19:00:47
Bringing Matthews into another Laine conversation? Your inferiority complex is showing again.


11.) 18 Dec 2020 19:04:57
And I know everyone has different definitions of long term but Matthews signed for 5 years out of ELC where Laine signed for 2. I don’t see how both of those are the same lack of commitment and refusing to sign long term lol.


12.) 18 Dec 2020 19:30:40
I don’t even disagree with your take on it. But every offseason there’s a handful of young star players coming out of ELC or players with potential to be stars that take 2-3 year bridge deals like Laine did. Kucherov (3x4.7) sergachev (3x4.8) Domi (2x3.15) Johansen (3x4) Boeser (3x 5.8) and tons more.

Over the last 5 years there’s probably 15-20 comparables of guys doing that, but you have some weird need to link Matthews to it so you make a stretch to compare a 5x11+ deal to a 2x$6.75?! Lol.


13.) 19 Dec 2020 02:41:54
Matthews got paid were as Laine didn’t. He took the shortest term in order to hit free agency. If Laines next deal is 3 years than he probably wants out. Not to say Matthews definitely wants out cause no one really knows.


14.) 19 Dec 2020 12:43:29
I get that. I’m not saying Matthews will be a career leaf. He may want to go somewhere else or play for Arizona at some point, whether that’s after this deal or another and how could anyone blame him after we loved the fact Tavares came home?

I’m just saying when discussing a young guy on a bridge deal, there's loads of comparables around that make more sense than him.


15.) 29 Dec 2020 22:52:34
JOE and JET: I listen to Boomer Gordon on the Sirius NHL Channel, and I hold him in high regard.

I respect both of your passion and opinions, and I hear you about the Trouba girlfriend issue.

But I respectfully stand by what I said that its important that Winnipeg find a way to resign Laine. I hope they do.


 

 

09 Dec 2020 16:55:23
To Winnipeg: PK Subban (1/2 retained), Zacha

To NJD: Niku, Roslovic, 3rd round pick

Winnipeg gets a dynamic RHD that has some bite and offense and a quality winger with upside

flyer123

1.) 09 Dec 2020 17:13:59
No from Winnipeg. The Jets should have no interest in Subban and giving up good, young players to get him. Jersey can try and dump him elsewhere.


2.) 09 Dec 2020 17:36:08
Subban has been declining in skill every year and is reputed to be a distraction on every team he has played on. The Jets don't need this.


3.) 10 Dec 2020 04:47:44
“Declining in skill every year” buddy he was a Norris finalist 2 years ago and made it to Stanley cup final. He got injured in Nashville and had an awful year in New Jersey a trade could do him good.


 

 

25 Oct 2020 12:36:40
Here is an interesting thought

To Philly: Laine

To Wpg: Myers, Patrick and Philly 2nd round

Patrick would be 3rd line C
Myers would be RD

Then, Winnipeg sign Hoffman

flyer123

1.) 25 Oct 2020 13:29:01
No from Winnipeg


2.) 25 Oct 2020 14:28:25
The Jets aren't trading Laine anytime soon, especially for that poor offer.


3.) 25 Oct 2020 14:53:44
Myers is a good start, but you would need to take out Patrick and replace him with something much more valuable and change the second to a first and you are closer. The Flyers probably can't afford to lose a defenseman though.


4.) 25 Oct 2020 23:46:12
Philly needs to add

Maybe Morgan frost

The Hoffman idea justifies dealing sir. Winesalot.

Good idea.


5.) 26 Oct 2020 15:59:15
The Flyers have 4.811M in cap space, with 19/ 23 roster spots filled.

They simply don't have the cap space to add Laine.


 

 

 

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09 Dec 2020 16:45:44
Just thought as a point of discussion

As we all share and post our ideas, a common theme that occurs is the value of player contracts.
What if NHL GM's started to convert player contracts that included a base salary - with incentives... that way a player only gets paid for what they do....not what they did in the past.
It could possibly help remove the millstone around a players contract and make it easier for GM's to conduct business. Note: I am sure the NHLPA would never go for this...but its a thought

flyer123

1.) 09 Dec 2020 19:00:46
I've always thought that's how it should be, however, its not that way, or never will be. I think someone like Price making whatever he makes now at 33, is an overpayment, however, when he was 27 or 28 he was the most dominant goalie, and also one of the most dominant players in the game, and made less than what he is worth.

Also, its somewhat hard to measure., someone like Bergeron, may not get as many points as someone like Stamkos or Tavares, but, I think he is the more valuable player, same with Slavin, doesn't get the points someone like his own teammate Hamilton, or a guy like Brodie, but he's more valuable.
It should be ya get paid for how you perform, however its more based on what you did. examples are Ericsson, Lucic, and Price.


2.) 10 Dec 2020 22:13:14
It’s because of players union that these contracts are given out. it’s the same thing in the real world with union jobs. higher pay is definitely not based on performance there either.


3.) 12 Dec 2020 13:24:27
In a way the contracts are still based on performance. If you are just barely good enough to stick around you don’t get much of a raise. You get a big contract based on what you did under your last one, which was likely very undervalued. Hard to do a cap and plan budgets when high percentage of salary are unknown as well.


4.) 15 Dec 2020 02:29:19
I’ve thought this too, but then it makes it very difficult to build a team the right way. All of a sudden there’s another motivation to put personal numbers over team goals. There’s players on every good team that penalty kill, sacrifice their bodies and defend leads or take big face offs that don’t necessarily put up the offense. They do that for the good of the team and in the current system can get rewarded fairly. Lots of those type of guys get multi year deals in the $2.5-4M range. If that isn’t valued financially anymore, why would they do it? Not meaning to sabotage the team, but they could start cheating on their responsibilities that make them important to the team for an offensive chance and who could blame them?

I just feel that with all the video, the scouting, the data that’s out there nowadays GMs should be able to project and pay players for what they will become. They’re never going to be right all the time, but should be right a lot more often than they are wrong.


5.) 16 Dec 2020 16:58:38
Yeah let’s change everything now so the khl becomes the top league in the world or another WHA starts up. like what are we talking here? Only giving out 1 year contracts? Gms already give out deals based on projection and contract comparables these increase most times because of player agents getting the highest possible contract they can or because of a bidding war for a UFa. Sure the owners could possibly start a strike to make these drastic changes but by the time it was settled the majority of players would have moved on and the quality of product the league would then be producing would be much less profitable. as long as the society we live in is structured around the almighty dollar sports players will be getting their cut too. I mean nobody goes to a game to see the owner.


 

 

 

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