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04 Jun 2020 01:42:57
Ok with Eichel not happy in Buffalo how about we try this
Montreal 2021 Conditional 1st (Condition is 1st if Montreal makes the playoffs 2nd + 3rd if not) + Suzuki + Norlinder
Buffalo Eichel
I think that would be enough but may require a 2022 unconditional 1st as well
1.) 04 Jun 2020 02:38:59
Might be the worst proposal I’ve ever seen congratulations. A top 10 player in the nhl for Nick Suzuki, a nobody and potentially a 2nd and 3rd.
2.) 04 Jun 2020 05:30:36
Please tell me why you think that is enough. Assuming Montreal doesn't make the playoffs, as Eichel alone probably won't fix enough of their problems to get in. So a 2nd + 3rd + Suzuki + Norlind for Eichel. And Buffalo would be happy with this?
3.) 04 Jun 2020 11:03:25
It’s not that far off, Norlinder has a lot of value but still no go from Buffalo.
4.) 04 Jun 2020 15:06:30
St.LouisFan while you are right Eichel alone would not guarantee a playoff birth he does go a long way to helping, this year alone Montreal lost a league leading 20 games by 1 goal. An elite talent like Eichel as a first line center could change the outcome of at least 5-10 of those games and that would be enough for the Habs to make the playoffs therefore the Sabres would get that 1st. Also I believe IF Eichel is moved Buffalo will look at rebuilding again over going all in. Suzuki and Norlinder both have more value around the league than you give them credit for. Suzuki = 1st, Norlinder = a low 1st, That essentially gives the Sabres 3 1st's. Plus I did say the Habs might have to add an additional unconditional 1st to get the deal done making the total value of 4 1st round picks which is fair value for any elite talent not named Crosby, McKinnon or McDavid
5.) 04 Jun 2020 15:58:00
That offer may get an aging top 6 center close to becoming a UFA, but wouldn't be enough for a 23 year old 1C. Buffalo would want an impact player back, not a bunch of maybes.
6.) 04 Jun 2020 17:07:49
Vbbbvvbb that's a pretty brass statement from the guy that thinks Derrmont (or should I say doormat) is a top 4 Dman and worth a 2nd and Brook! Doormat is a solid 3rd pairing guy but definitly not top 4, even the Laffs know this why do you think they are trying to trade him rather than resigning him! And don't tell me it is cause they do not have the money cause they circumvent the cap when they need to so why not now with Doormat? CAUSE HE SUCKS!!!! Dermont = Cici!
7.) 04 Jun 2020 21:00:03
Ok so perhaps the value is a slightly low. let's adjust a bit
Montreal - Suzuki + Norlinder + Petry + 2021 unconditional 1st
Buffalo - Eichel + Okoposo (30% retained)
8.) 04 Jun 2020 21:47:45
Buffalo would say "Don't call us, we'll call you. "
9.) 04 Jun 2020 22:23:26
Dermott is a safe reliable dman who excels in all ends. He has the ability to play top 4 minutes and he would in Montreal. The leafs should trade him because they have Rielly, Muzzin, Sandin ( who is a star in the making ) and the KHL dman of the year in the system.
10.) 05 Jun 2020 00:24:10
LMAO DOORMAT is wouldn't even crack the Habs lineup we have Weber Petry Chiarot and Romanov all way better than a Doormat! Then Fleury Juulsen Mete and Kulak who are all at the very least his equal! Where would Doormat fit?
11.) 05 Jun 2020 03:57:51
All those good defenseman then why is finding a top 4 LHD so important to Bergevin? It's a top priority according to him. And yes, Dermott is a top 4 defenseman and is better than any of the left handed defensemen you listed.
23 May 2020 15:35:35
Let's try this one out
To St. Louis 2021 1st + 2021 2nd + Kulak or Mete
To Montreal Dunn + Bozak + Sundqvist
This is for the sole purpose of St. Louis being able to resign Pietrangelo. While still improving the Habs.
This is the way I see it
Bozak + Sundqvist = 2nd + 3rd but to make room for Pietrangelo the blues only take a 2nd
Dunn = 1st + Kulak or Mete Blues Choice
Blues lineup
Schwartz-Schenn-Blais
Sanford-O'Reilly-Tarasenko
Steen-Thomas-Perron
MacEachern-Barbashev-Kyrou
Pietrangelo-Faulk
Kulak/Mete-Parayko
Scandella-Bortuzzo
Binnington
Allen
Canadiens Lineup
Tatar-Danault-Gallagher
Drouin-Suzuki-Domi
Lehkonen-Kotkaniemi-Sundqvist
Byron-Evans-Armia
Dunn-Weber
Romanov-Petry
Kulak/Mete-Fleury
Price
Demchenko
Both teams benefit
1.) 23 May 2020 18:51:20
As much as I like Dunn, I wouldn't give a 1st for him. and then on your Habs line up, I don't even see Bozak . as well, no way Armia is on 4th line.
2.) 23 May 2020 21:50:35
Bozak would be an extra or buyout as we would have more than enough tallented forwards besides the lines were just an example of what we could do really
3.) 23 May 2020 22:04:07
That's a huge downgrade from Dunn to Kulak/ Mete. All they need to do to clear the cap space is trade the forwards for picks to someone. Why would we need to trade Dunn? And why would we take less than market value for a trade? The stated reason that it clears up cap space to sign Petrol makes no sense.
4.) 24 May 2020 14:12:35
I never said to take less than fair value for Dunn, the Dunn portion of the trade was Dunn for a 1st + Kulak/Mete which is fair value. The reason to move Dunn is not to free up cap space for Pietrangelo but because even by moving the forwards you still cannot sign both Dunn and Pietrangelo. After trading the forwards the blues would have just about 8-10 mil if Pietrangelo gets 8 mil which in my opinion is a discount then Dunn can't be resigned unless you plan on trading another top 6 forward or Parayko. Also Mete and Kulak are not as much of a downgrade as you think they are both 2nd pairing Dmen and if you line up like I said the loss of Dunn wouldn't be as significant.
5.) 25 May 2020 14:26:34
Habs say no IMO. i don't think that we need to do any favours for other teams in cap issues for buying out players we trade for so they can sign Petro. Habs have cap space to take on a bad contract and it will cost a team nicely to do so. This would be bad asset management from the Habs.
6.) 26 May 2020 03:36:44
I guess the other option is to force the Blues hand and try trading a 1st + Kulak/Mete for Dunn's rights by threatening to sign him to an offersheet. However if the Blues say no then the Habs have to follow through with an offersheet in the 9+ range so that the Blues cannot match even with the 10% off season overage but that would also require Dunn to agree and it would hurt the Habs cap flexibility in the near future as well
14 May 2020 02:54:29
Carolina and Habs have to put their differences behind them for this one lol
To Carolina Tatar + Kulak + 2nd 2021
To Montreal Skjei + Suzuki + Fleury
Carolina gets a top 6 winger + a bottom 4 dman plus a decent pick next year.
Habs get a top 4 LHD and 2 more prospects to go with the youth movement not to mention brothers of current Habs players.
To L.A. Mete
To Montreal 2021 2nd
Next season Habs line up
Drouin-N. Suzuki-Gallagher
Domi-Kotkaniemi-R. Suzuki
Lehkonen-Danault-Armia
Byron-Evans-Weise
Extras Weal, Hudon
Skjei-Weber
Chiarot-Petry
Romanov-C. Fleury
H. Fleury
Price
Demchenko
1.) 14 May 2020 15:29:58
So a few things. I don’t think hurricanes make that trade as that is now 2 D off there top 6 and don’t have much in the system to replace with. Second I don’t think Montreal will want to trade Mete unless it’s an out of this world package, he is a smart young D with loads of potential and already has 100+ NHL games. And lastly the predicted lineup is way too hopeful, Ryan Suzuki will not be NHL ready for at least another 2-3 years and having Cale Fleury above his older brother Haydon is a bit of a reach.
2.) 14 May 2020 17:29:17
Your fist comment makes sense if we were talking about this season, however this would have to happen in the off season and by then Vatanen, Pesce and Hamilton would all be back from injury and the top 6 would likely be Slavin-Hamilton, Vatenen/Skjei/Gardiner-Pesce, Vatanen/Skjei/Gardiner-Van Reimsdyk pushing the LHD Fleury off the roster. Second point I don't think Mete is working out and now may be when we get the most for the kid, he simply gets pushed around too much in front of the net and his shot is not that hard enough to be a top 4 Damn if the Habs want to move him to the wing I think he would do better there as he has the skill and speed to play forward. Third your right projecting R. Suzuki in the top 6 is a stretch but we are weak on the right side and he would easily be the best available option and last Cale is a RHD Hayden a LHD Sklei and Chiarot are better Dmen and the Habs management value Romanov too much to send him to the AHL or as a 7th dman therefore Hayden gets carried as the 7th Dman.
3.) 14 May 2020 21:49:30
So Vatanen Van-Reimsdyk and Edmondson are all UFA and Hamilton in a year is a UFA. So losing those 2 could be bad for them. And I say we can agree to disagree on Mete because I’m a fan of his game and I can see him being a Ryan Ellis type player. And Ik Habs RW is week but pushing Ryan that high is a reach as he’s just doesn’t look ready in the chl to go up against NHL players.
4.) 15 May 2020 06:20:50
I see your point about the FA issue so maybe instead of Kulak you sign and trade Mete as part of this package. I also like Mete he is a great skater with a lot of silky hands but for me just gets pushed around too much it is most prevalent in the stretch run to the playoffs when the checking gets tighter. As for Ryan I do not follow JR hockey but knew our right side was weak so just kind of put him in there as a fill in cause I do not see anyone else in the organization filling the role. If we can find a middle six forward in FA then I would allow Ryan to develop more as well I was just working from what we have in the system or were getting in this proposal.
5.) 22 May 2020 16:48:56
If Hurricanes make this deal, check the GM for drugs, because he's probably on them
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21 Jun 2020 07:00:49
Min: Domi + 3rd
Mon: Brodin
1.) 23 Jun 2020 13:51:14
The difference between Domi and Brodin is much more than a 3rd.
2.) 25 Jun 2020 19:35:26
You think Brodin is worth Domi and more than a third?
3.) 25 Jun 2020 21:16:06
You think he's not?
4.) 25 Jun 2020 21:45:38
I don't think Habs add anything. I think Brodin is a little overrated. Not saying Domi is an AllStar, but I'd prefer to keep Domi over having Brodin.
5.) 25 Jun 2020 22:11:09
Hard to say. Brodin was having a career year this year and Domi was having a down year coming off a career year. If they think Domi is a 70 point guy then I think Minnesota adds.
I just don’t agree that Brodin is worth a lot more than Domi but Ehlers is worth a lot more than Brodin.
6.) 26 Jun 2020 00:06:19
Brodin is a UFA in a season Domi is worth more due to term control.
7.) 26 Jun 2020 02:32:02
That's cool. Everybody's entitled to their opinion.
8.) 26 Jun 2020 15:54:19
Domi is a year older and had one big season to help his career average but, there only 2 points different. They have pretty much the same amount of games played and same amount of career points FYI. I think Ehlers has more value but not that much more.
9.) 26 Jun 2020 16:45:57
Yes Ebs if you place a lot of weight on Domi's career year, they are closer. But when you consider that Domi's career average is 55 points/ year and he has only hit that level once in 5 seasons and then tumbled back to reality this year, it makes it far less impressive.
Then you take Ehlers who averages 57 points/ season. A mark he has hit or exceeded 3 out of those 5 years. In other words, it is far more likely that Ehlers keeps reaching and/ or exceeding his career average than Domi.
Add the fact that advance stats show that Ehlers is a better play driver than Domi, even though Domi is a center.
I know you don't want to give a Jets player the credit they are due, but Ehlers is much more valuable than Domi and that is without factoring in that Domi will likely want more $ than Ehlers on his next contract.
I know if I had to choose paying Ehlers $6 mil or Domi $6 mil. I'd pick Ehlers 100 out of 100 times.
10.) 26 Jun 2020 18:21:24
I do give Jets players there due but your unrealistically bias. And I’ll admit I don’t know much about advanced stats but why does it matter that Domi is a centre? Which I’m pretty sure he’s been a center for 2 seasons so he’s versatile.
How can you use Domi’s contract against his value? He’s an RFA and if I had to guess he’ll sign between 5.25-6.25. Curious to know other people’s guess on his next contract.
I also think Ehlers has more value but again pretty comparable.
11.) 26 Jun 2020 18:23:49
BTW Domi’s career average drops to 50 points without his one big season. Has Ehlers ever gotten over 70 points?
12.) 26 Jun 2020 19:51:14
No you don't Ebs, you've always shown a pretty big anti-Jets bias. No, matter what a Jet does, he's always a product of playing with another Jet, or just not as good as a player with similar stats because he's a Jet, or because you say so with nothing to back it up.
Although, I do admit to having a bias towards Jets players just as every fan does for their team. But no better or worse than the majority of fans on this site. Jet fans are just painted as unreasonable here, because we turn down trades based on team needs and that upsets people, because you should always accept a trade in their eyes if you are getting a diamond in the rough. Whether you need him or not.
It doesn't matter that Domi is a center, it is just that as a center it is easier for him to drive the play than it is for a winger to do so. Yet, Domi doesn't. Ehlers is the better play driver.
I'm not holding Domi's contract against him. I'm just saying if I had to pay one or the other similar money, I'm paying the more effective player, Ehlers, every time.
I did acknowledge, that if you want to put a lot of weight on Domi's career year and ignore his typical production, he looks better than he is. But again I'll take the guy who is more consistently hitting his numbers than the guy who has a big year every 5 years.
Domi is good, he's just not at Ehlers level. They're just not comparable at all.
Thanks for the rational discussion and not resorting to the usual name calling so prevalent at times here.
13.) 26 Jun 2020 20:00:32
Ebs, an example of your bias is right here in this very thread.
Both Islandjet and myself said that 5 years of Ehlers was worth more than 2 years of Brodin. Neither of us said "lots" more.
Yet, in you post above you say that I said Ehlers was worth "lots" more. Why? Because exaggerating what we said makes it easier to paint Jet fans as being unrealistic again, instead of just saying "yeah Jets fans are right, 5 years of Ehlers is worth more than 2 of Brodin".
14.) 27 Jun 2020 15:02:00
Due to the flat cap I don’t think Domi gets to much.
04 Sep 2020 19:52:56
Easy No from Habs!!! Petry is a top 30 D man in the league IF he was included in a trade for Laine it would be straight up or with just a mid pick added.
31 Aug 2020 07:31:20
Vbbbvvbb,
Sure you can get a 1 D signed long term for cheaper watch.
Wait for Romanov or Norlinder to take over sign them to an 8 year extension. Boom done for free!
16 Aug 2020 13:03:12
Domi has not "Fallen out" of the top 6 he was being eased back into action. He played 2RW last night beside Kotkaniemi and did well enough that I expect he is going to remain there for the rest of the playoffs.
09 Aug 2020 18:00:08
Players have been leaving the bubble for various reasons. Thus they risk getting exposed to the virus themselves and bringing it back into the bubble. Like it or not believe it or not the risk is greater for Domi and Kakko than most other players.
The fact that he wasn't even sure if he would return the week of training camp suggests that he is taking every potential exposure seriously. Now that the players in the bubble have all had about 2 weeks worth of "clean" living with no reported cases he should feel more comfortable with his health and be moved up the lineup.
16 Jun 2020 10:00:00
Your all joking Right! Every team in the league would want Price or any other elite goalie even at 10 Mil a year on the back end of their career. Goalies do not decline like skaters, how many elite goalies have had terrible years 2 or 3 in a row then went to the cup finals either winning or losing?
Even if Price is on the decline and I personally do not think he is he is still better than half the goalies in the league. I would rather have Price in net any day of the week over Freddy Andersen, Corey Crawford, Ben Bishop, Bobrovski, Either of the Canes goalies, Grubeur, Talbot, Smith, Markstrom, Either Jersey goalie, Merzlikins, Hart (Although he is starting to come into his own right now and will be able to steal games like Price in a year or 2), any of the 6 California goalies, and either of the Sabres goalies.
Price may be over paid by 2-4 Mil depending on who's opinion your going by but almost every team in the league would give a kings ransom to get him. Cause he can flat out steal games and series that teams like the Habs have no business being in in the first place.
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