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10 Oct 2019 15:11:55
to winnipeg
Madison Bowey

to Det
Poolman
5th round 2021


Bowey played 36 games as Morriseys defence partner in Kelowna and they looked pretty good and comfortable together

worth a shot to have morrisey play with someone familiar until winnipegs figures out thr RHD situation. not giving up much to give morrisey someone he's had success with.

thoughts?

Craigger12

1.) 10 Oct 2019 15:47:38
Wasn’t Bowey on waivers or am I mistaken? I’m thinking he could be bad for practically nothing.


2.) 10 Oct 2019 15:53:12
@Ebs, Bowey wasn’t on waivers at all. Detroit got him as part of the trade with Washington for Nick Jensen.

@Craigger, What’s Poolman’s upside? I haven’t really seen him. So I can’t judge whether I like this or not.


3.) 10 Oct 2019 15:59:28
Lol. The Jets are adding to the better defenseman to get the worse one.


4.) 10 Oct 2019 16:08:27
Poolman and Bowey are from the same draft year. however, poolman is a year and a bit older. As a prospect Bowey had much more upside but as they developed it appears they are pretty even in their abilities. both are nothing special but put in right circumstances they could very well strive more than they have. they also are both the same size. You lose or gain nothing with this deal except Bowey has played with morrisey before so could be a better fit than poolman in winnipeg. Due to Bowey being a bit younger that's why the 5th is included.


5.) 10 Oct 2019 16:38:27
actually these 2 dmen are pretty close in how they play. no real downgrade or upgrade for either team. what winnipeg is adding is bowey is younger by a year and a bit. that's the value here. bowey has more upside. may not be a lot but its enough to add a 5th rounder.


6.) 10 Oct 2019 16:43:08
Bowey's trade value may be low at this point in the season, and with Detroit having Daley and Ericsson on IR I believe he's more valuable to the team than he would be at the trade deadline.

Hold onto him until February and if contract negotiations don't produce anything by then, perhaps trade him at the deadline.


7.) 10 Oct 2019 16:57:36
Okay Craigger, that's fine. Winnipeg still says no though. It's not worth giving up a 5th for a 6/ 7/ 8 defenseman. We have plenty. The Jets need top 4D, not bottom pairing guys and press boxers.


8.) 10 Oct 2019 17:18:30
Maybe a poolman for Jack Johnson trade could be worked out to appease the Jets faithful.


9.) 10 Oct 2019 17:36:35
How about Ristolainen as a top 4 Dman? confusion settles in.


10.) 10 Oct 2019 17:57:04
The Jets would be better off keeping Poolman as he is playing now and the team doesn’t need another 6/ 7 d-man.


11.) 10 Oct 2019 23:05:41
@Craigger, Thanks for the insight into Poolman. While as you mentioned the difference between the two isn’t much, from a Detroit perspective we may just keep Bowey then. There’s incentive for the Jets in terms of him being a RH Dman and playing with Morrissey.

For Detroit, I don’t see a 5th being really a major add at this point. So in terms of trading Bowey, I like DRWDave’s approach of waiting until Trade deadline to see best deal available.

Overall a good post but rather aim for the highest return possible.


12.) 11 Oct 2019 13:00:59
Datsyuk_Fan13

no problem. i can see where you are coming from and great response. both sides seem to not want this deal. lol. it happens.


 

 

09 Oct 2019 14:12:31
To Winn
Matt Dumba

To Minn
Big Buff
2020 2nd
2020 1st(cond)
2021 1st(cond)

basically winnipeg hands minny the 2nd since it will take buff till christmas to really be ready

the 2 1st are conditions based on if Buff doesn't play this year at all Minny gets the 2 1st rounders

thoughts

Craigger12

1.) 09 Oct 2019 14:32:00
oh and buff is from minny. if he won't play in his home state then he won't play anywhere.


2.) 09 Oct 2019 14:48:16
No thanks from Winnipeg. The Jets won't be making any panic trades.


3.) 09 Oct 2019 15:32:12
how is this a panic trade. Dumba becomes the best D on the team. lol. you make a lot of panic comments.


4.) 09 Oct 2019 15:47:59
So if Byfuglien does play then it’s only Dumba and a 2nd? Not a chance. Plus I feel like a deal would only be made if a team knows for sure if he’s playing again or not.


5.) 09 Oct 2019 16:01:18
Minny laughs. Dumba way more valuable to them right now to trade for an older not even playing Buff.

What Buff is doing to Winnipeg is the biggest dick move ever. Bob McKenzie said last night he didn’t even skate or work out all off season. Then tells the team he might retire during training camp. Total blind side. Huge part of that team and he treats them like this leaving a massive hole they could have worked with if they had the time.

Minny laughs at this idea of Dumba for him.


6.) 09 Oct 2019 16:10:51
I call them panic trades because they are. They are incredibly poorly thought out and short sighted. The Jets would be giving up 2 firsts, one of which at least will likely be pretty good and a second for Dumba.

Dumba is a nice player, but he's not good enough to mortgage the future for.


7.) 09 Oct 2019 16:22:29
dumba and a 2nd is pretty close to market value for buff

i mean you could always just hold on to buff and "hope" he returns or take a good dman and a 2nd for him. pickers cants be choosers

i agree though only make deal if he guarentees he will play. that's fair. no conditions then. just dumba and 2nd for Buff (guarenteed he will play play)


8.) 09 Oct 2019 16:50:53
If Buff agrees to play, there is no chance the Jets would screw him over and trade him.


9.) 09 Oct 2019 17:17:24
wow, memarcusjoe, wow

if you read this trade proposal right youd read that the 2 1sts wound only happen if buff decided not to play ever again. wow

also, buff isn't playing for winnipeg so the question isn't if buff decides to play hockey again. its if this trade was proposed if he decides to play for minny. so winnipeg isn't screwing him over at all.

READ please.


10.) 09 Oct 2019 17:18:23
memarcusjoe,

do you know what a condition means in hockey terms. if not then please go look it up.


11.) 09 Oct 2019 17:48:30
during this debate we have established that the 2 conditional 1sts are off the table

this deal only happens if Buff says he will play for Minny, nothing else

now with that in mind

Dumba for Buff and a 2nd

is that fair market value?

what would need to be added for either side if not fair?


12.) 09 Oct 2019 18:29:45
Oh Craigger, your trades are always based on some idiotic premise. If Buff plays again it will be in Winnipeg, nowhere else. He won't be traded. He'll either come back and play for the Jets, or retire. At least put minimal effort and thought into your proposals to make them somewhat realistic.


13.) 09 Oct 2019 18:49:18
It’s a business Marcus. They 100% would “screw him over” and trade him. Especially if what yup said is true. And yes if they would trade him and a 2nd for Dumba, they’d jump all over it. But they can’t because it’s not enough IMO.


14.) 09 Oct 2019 19:27:15
Dumba>>>Buff with age and contract considered.


15.) 09 Oct 2019 19:28:50
That just shows how little you know about the Jets or TNSE, ebs. TNSE is a first class organization, they're nothing like the Mickey Mouse organization you're used to with the Oilers. There is zero chance the Jets talk Byfuglien out of retirement and then turn around and trade him. Unless he specifically asked to be moved, which he hasn't.


16.) 09 Oct 2019 20:08:19
Buff may want to play for a contender. The jets one year window has closed.


17.) 09 Oct 2019 20:17:41
Oh memarcusjoe,
Your responses are always based on some idiotic premise.
Last time i checked no significant UFA comes to winnipeg. Heck, atlanta had an easier time bringing in ufas of significance. How does this make winnipeg first class

FYI buff is from minny. That was the whole premise of this trade. If a player is having a hard time deciding to retire from the sport its very possible going home is the only way they will come out of retirement. See i'm the type of person who looks at it every way possible. I could personally care less either way if he retires or not. However, like many players they want to be closer to home. This trade does that. Just because your mind is so closed off to see multiple pausibilities to why he is even thinking of retiring doesn't mean my thought is wrong. If winnipeg was such a first class organisation like you say they are then i'm pretty sure they will explore this. If buff says he will come out of retirement if he got to play back home this classy organisation would look into máking it happen. Just because you think you know everything winnipeg doesn't mean you know buffs real thought. Insinuating the notion that you do know his thoughts and stating he hadnt asked for a trade anywhere when you truely don't know makes you very arrigant.

Winnipegs fans and management should only hope a deal like this falls in their lap. Saying you want to see him just sit and retire over getting a player to replace him is pretty silly. just like most of you comments.


18.) 09 Oct 2019 21:26:56
Once again Craigger you show your ignorance of the reality of hockey and of the Jets in particular.

You make up a foolish scenario in your head and then try to pass it off as fact. No one knows why Buff isn't playing, we can only speculate. So, a silly premise like yours just isn't realistic to talk about.

I never said I wouldn't take the deal for Buff, I just said it wouldn't happen.

Go back to the Leafs boards and discuss the one year window the Leafs have instead. The Leafs have 4 players overpaid by about 10 million total. Next year they lose almost all their defenseman and don't have any cap space to replace them with NHL players due to a poor GM and you still haven't won a playoff series.

The Leafs have to win it all this year or they are done. They've closed the window on themselves with bad contracts. Unlike the Jets who are barely starting to open their window.


19.) 09 Oct 2019 21:45:25
If Buff is indeed done playing then the Jets should just let him retire. If he still isn't sure by the middle of Nov then see if Buff wants to play for another team. If he does give any team he would want to play for permission to talk with him. He could then assure that team he would report, then a trade with the Jets can be made. This would be a win/ win/ win for both teams and Buff.


20.) 09 Oct 2019 22:37:22
Memarcusjoe,
Once again another person resorting to going off topic because they don't know how to debate.

Lets look at the situation. First off noone really knows why buff just up and is debating retirement. My solution is deal him for something of value to his home team just as a suggestion to see if he will unretire.

Your solution let him sit and wait it out

Both suggestions are fine and dandy. Not once did i state buff will come out of retirement if he went to minnesota. It was a suggestion. This site is based on suggestions. Do you actually think what you come up with is real. Its all speculation. Come back to reality. Suggesting and giving reason for that suggestion doesn't make you arragent. However, stating you actually know winnipegs managements rhinking and buffs thinking does. Everyone is allowed to suggest.

All i can say is noone just walks away from 35 million. Either he won a 35 million dollar lottery and said hell with hockey or he just isn't happy with something. Is it hockey related? Who knows. Did he ask for a trade and winnipeg said no so he retired? You don't know. what's wrong with suggesting a trade. If you don't like suggestions then i suggest you stop reading. Nothing is real and noone on these sites know the truth until it happens in real life. not my problem your close minded.


21.) 10 Oct 2019 02:17:30
Craigger,

As you've demonstrated you are totally ignorant of Byfuglien's situation. Buff isn't walking away from 35 million, he's only leaving 15.2 on the table. So, it's pretty obvious you have no idea of his situation.

No one would walk away from that kind of money you say? I guess Ilya Kovalchuk, who left 77 million on the table, and Andrew Luck, who left more, should have consulted with you first.

Not every player is greedy, to some, like Buff, having earned 65 million or so in his lifetime is good enough and they'd rather retire with their health and live a happy life.

But you want to speculate on a trade with a whole bunch of 'ifs' and somehow get a fair evalution. IF Buff doesn't want to retire, IF he wants to play, IF he doesn't want to play in Winnipeg, IF he'll only play for Minnesota, IF the Jets will agree to trade him.

There's just too many restrictions to make a realistic offer that will help both teams. So, not worth discussing.


22.) 10 Oct 2019 05:53:39
Damn, Craigger is slapping Memarcusjoe around like the clown he is.


23.) 10 Oct 2019 07:56:28
Bahaha! I don’t know if it should be biasjoe or bitterjoe?


24.) 10 Oct 2019 09:27:26
If a team is adding its Winnipeg. Buff is near the end if not already.


25.) 10 Oct 2019 10:26:38
Memarcusjoe,

You got to relax a bit. you're taking these proposals way too serious. I can speculate all i want. you're way too attavhed to buff.

Yes, i made an error in what Buff has remaining on his contract. I heard from someone on sportsnet he has 35 when in fact he has half that. Either way that's my error. me bad.

Still doesn't change my response.
As for kovalcuk he didn't retire from hockey he left the nhl to . oh what's this. go home. gee where did i read that reason before. oh yeah. i wrote it earlier.
As for andrew luck he retired for a whole differant reason. When youve been concused you start to look at the future in a whole differsnt light. Since luck has made 200 million in endorsements i'm thinking he is thinking long term here. Again, i'm speculating on luck but i'm sure he has a better readon than buff right now since he at leadt manned up and went to media with it. at least he gave fans closure.

Its not like anything we write here is real. Just so you know you speculating why buff has retired is no differant than my speculations. Its not like you know buff. You have the same info we all have. I try to find other angles and be creative while you sit in your little bubble thinking the world is juśt black and white. get a little grey it makes the world a little more fun.


26.) 10 Oct 2019 12:22:33
you suggesting "Not every player is greedy, to some, like Buff, having earned 65 million or so in his lifetime is good enough and they'd rather retire with their health and live a happy life. " is not differant than my suggestions. that's what they are suggestions.

Where you in a room with Buff and heard him say out of his mouth this is what he is doing? If your answer is no than you have no clue either. speculation is all any of this is.

bottom line you don't want Dumba for Buff and a 2nd. anything else you or myself speculated during this conversation is just that speculation.

Hate to see how you become if one of these speculations comes true. geesh.


27.) 10 Oct 2019 12:41:30
arrogance,
unpleasantly proud and behaving as if you are more important than, or know more than, other people:

memarcus joe, not once have i stated or acted like i know more than other people. having more than 1 idea about a situation is not arrogance its speculating.

only thinking the situation is what you think it is, that is arrogance.


28.) 10 Oct 2019 16:06:18
It's not the speculation that is bothersome Craigger. It's that you are completely ignorant on the player you are talking about.

You actually think Buff is being paid $17.5 mil a year?

Or, are you just poorly informed on Buff in general. Otherwise where did $35 mil come from?


29.) 10 Oct 2019 16:48:47
i admitted to the dollar owed amount. heard sportsnet person say he is owed 35 million. guess i either heard him wrong or he said it wrong but i already admitted to that mistake so why does it stillo bother you. do you hold grudges or something

he is owed 14 million.8 this year and 6 next year i believe but i might have reversed those. his cap hit to the jets is 7.6 million.

where you get that 17.5 million for 1 year i don't know. that was your own mis read. I thought he had 4-5 years remaining on his contract but he only has 2.again i already covered this.

anyways it really doesn't matter now as this conversation was lost ages ago.


30.) 10 Oct 2019 17:03:48
winnipeg can keep buff. this was merely a conversation to try and put a positive on such a negative situation. apparently some people just love having negative stuff around them.


31.) 10 Oct 2019 17:28:13
CraiGger Is Making very valid points here.


32.) 10 Oct 2019 17:46:40
Yeah, this debate was a hundred percent domination by Craigger. Homerjoe can’t get over his own ego and delusions. I think the guy really believes he’s part of the WPG . org with how he thinks he knows everything about them and what they’re thinking. It’s pretty depressing watching him on here tbh.


33.) 10 Oct 2019 18:13:56
i did screw up on the Contract value remaining on Buff though. so ill give mamarcus that one.


 

 

30 Sep 2019 23:40:36
To Dallas
Robert Thomas

To St.Louis
Ty Dellandrea
Jason Robertson

Both dallas players put up huge ohl numbers which ironically were both better than morgan frost numbers. Since morgan Frost is apparently a future 1C must mean dellandrea is a future 1C and robertson is a future 1RW..this clearly means they have more value than thomas who is also apparently a future 1C.

2 future #1 players is better than 1

Thoughts

Craigger12

1.) 01 Oct 2019 00:06:56
I’m liking where this is going actually. This RedWing wants to pick fights on your home turf, so you carry it over to his. Make sure a lot of sense to me actually.

Thomas has 9 goals last year and Frost is buried in the minors behind three payers of proven high talent. Neither one will make the nhl in any capacity if they don’t step up significantly. I wouldn’t be surprised if either they both get traded or they both fade away.


2.) 01 Oct 2019 00:27:19
Ok blues say no. Robert thomas was amazing in the playoffs as a rookie soon to be future 1c for blues. So nope.


3.) 01 Oct 2019 09:47:05
Hmmm, since when is 1g,5a, 6 points, -2 in 21 games in playoffs amazing? Sounds like a future 4th line center. But know you would say that's absolutely garbage if he played for any other team and call him a ahl player. Way to many delusional Homer's here
Feel embarrassed for guys like redwing and Marcus.


4.) 01 Oct 2019 10:14:29
Not a chance from the Blues POV Thomas is on the blues top PP.


5.) 01 Oct 2019 10:39:52
Hey let's go a step further here

To wash
Robert thomas

To st. louis
Connor mcmicheal and a cond 2nd round pick any time if thomas ever becomes a legit 1C washington gives them a 2nd rounder that draft after he becomes a 1C

Thomas for mcmicheal and picks happened in jr and guess what mcmicheal has already done better than thomas did as a 17 year old and is going to get 100 points this year as a 18 year old. By redwing1 logic mcmicheal is going to be a future 1C even more than thomas will because he has more points in jr.


6.) 01 Oct 2019 11:32:49
Once again blues say no. He was the driving force behind third line as a 19 year old. Kid is amazing. He is the reason maroon looked good. thomas did all the footwork. Once again blues say no. he is untouchable.


7.) 01 Oct 2019 17:57:04
Erik johnson, david perron and robbie fabbri

What do they all have in common with thomas?

During their first season starting as 19 year olds put up very simular stats. In fact fabbri and johnson put up better stats and yet johnson was a defencemen.

How did all heir futures work out.

Top 4 defencive defenceman, middle 6-9 forwads and barely making st. louis roster today. don't get your hopes up too much on thomas. He might if he is lucky mimic christian dvoreks career. Not a bad player but deffinetly not a #1C . dvorek was even better in jr sooooo.


8.) 01 Oct 2019 18:34:25
Casey middlestadt, sam reinhardt, sam bennett. more players who at 19 look as good or better than thomas.

Are any of these guys future #1C. if your answer is no then neither is thomas. simply put.


9.) 01 Oct 2019 18:35:27
Johnson is still number one in col

Fabbri blew his knee out twice.

Craigger these have nothing to do with each other lol good try though.


10.) 01 Oct 2019 20:02:05
Actually they do. These guys all at 19 played in nhl and put up better stats than thomas did. The differance is noone annoited them future#1 in their position. Johnson had future #1 potential due to his draft spot. The others not so much.

Youve got to realize not every player who makes nhl at 19 and did well in jr is a future #1. In fact every draft only ever gets 3-5 future #1 come true.

Thomas is and always has been projected as a #2 C by every scout. Heck coming out of jr he was tagged as a 3rd line C. He has worked his way into a top 6 player but not a #1C.

You say us leaf fans are delusional but at 18 our future #1 C cracked open a can of whoop on the league and became a stud from the get go. the leafs had got back to back 60 point seasons before turning 20 from a winger then even he exploded for 94 points before he turned 21. These are definitions of top players. Future #1C and top end winger talent is reserved for guys like these players. Saying we as leaf fans are delusional makes you delusional.

Thomas can't even lace up matthews skates so saying thomas is a future #1 C is disrespectful when Guys like matthews, aho, point are all 10 levels ahead of thomas and they did it at age 18-19.thats when they were future#1 C . by 20 they were #1C

Kyrou can barely get on the blues. Calling him a top end winger prospect is disrespectful to guys like marner, laine, tkachuk, rantanen, connor. guys who all before 20 were dubbed the next wave of high end wingers. By 20 they were high end wingers. if kyrou was so high end why is he considered an older prospect and hadnt done a thing. delusion is coming from you.


11.) 01 Oct 2019 21:48:17
I love how you make rubbish up. Sure Mathews is better n2ver said he wasn't. I think it's amazing how much b's you wrote to try and prove you are not delusional. Please find me 1 scout who projected him at 2c or 3c. Also how is Mathews cup coming lol.


12.) 01 Oct 2019 22:02:56
Also kyrou is recovering from surgery. Kyrou is better than bracco and a year younger why hasn't bracco made the team lol. Craigger don't you ever change.


13.) 02 Oct 2019 02:32:30
Were you a different account before Craigger?


14.) 02 Oct 2019 09:58:10
Ive never said that bracco is the next future #1 guy. He got lost in the leafs depth at RW. He can pass but isn't fast can't play defence but has good edges. He would do good if put with one of matthew or tavares and is a waste as a 3rd or 4th liner due to he doesn't play D. Once marner signed his future with the leafs was badically over. He is a point a game player in the AHL and might do better this year but its probably in best interest of the leafs to deal him with another player to make a quantity for quality kind of deal.

I can see the good and the things players need to work on to be effective hockey players. You won't ever see me annoiting them titles that in reality they can't become. that's a lot of pressure to put on a kid. The sooner you learn to the realization of what you have now the less youll be disappointed in the future. Keep the scouting to those of us whom get paid to do it.


15.) 02 Oct 2019 12:03:33
Actually Craigger like I said in another post Point didn’t play in the NHL at 18 or 19. He’s a smaller player and was sent back to junior in hopes he’d fill out a bit. He put up 40 points as a 20 year old rookie playing mostly in the bottom 6, 66 as a middle 6 player at 21 and then broke 90 last year at 22. He was also pegged as a 3C outta the draft and didn’t get credit as a potential 1C until he was there. Not saying Thomas is a future 1C but especially for smaller players it can take longer and there isn’t one path to follow to get there. Point is just one example that not lighting the league in fire at 18-19 doesn’t mean you won’t be a top player.


16.) 02 Oct 2019 12:27:42
If u watched Thomas play you would know he carried the line he was on. I will leave it alone but when he breaks out this year I will rub it in your face craigger.


17.) 02 Oct 2019 12:49:58
thats my point. Thomas isn't pegged as a future #1C. Point was never pegged as a future #1C because scouts and analysts don't just throw that term out. If you work hard and keep at er you may become a #1C but just because you become a #1C doesn't mean you were pegged that from the beginning.

people around here need to know the differance. Future#1C are reserved for top 10 picks. anything under top 10 need to work hard and earn that title later in their lives. If a top 10 doesn't become a #1C like he was pegged then they start to become a bust.

Thomas was never pegged a furutre #1C. he may become it with a lot of hard work and luck but he isn't pegged that. Point was never pegged a #1C out of the draft but he became a top line guy due to his work ethic.


18.) 02 Oct 2019 13:51:54
you know what let Thomas be the future #1C in stlouis.
If you want him to be your future at that position that just means noone better than him will be on the team at that position meaning every NHL club will take advantage of a guy who is best suited for 2nd line C

Personally if i were a Blues fan i'd want him to be the future #2C because I would really hope the #1C is better than Robert Thomas.

Have it your way.


19.) 02 Oct 2019 15:12:39
Dude seriously get over your self. The kid at 19 was amazing. At 20 is on the top 10p of the Stanley cup defending team. The same team that beat leafs twice. He has won two one championships won the geetzky award in the oil. Was a huge part in Canadian winning gold. And is is tremendous two center. The kid was pegged as a 1c. Top ten in drafts don't hold that solely the fact that you said that is asinine. I get it you got Mathews good for you. A 1c position consists of 30 players at that title. Some are elite some are great some are above average but they are 1cs the fact that you think a 19 year old or 20 year old is the peak of performance or if you don't perform crazy good then your a. Hat is just crazy. You need to just admit you are wrong.


20.) 02 Oct 2019 15:26:47
Colt, you’re overvaluing your player again. Just like Shattenkirk and Lehtera. He’s a good player but imagine if he wasn’t a STL Blue, GTD you wouldn’t be sucking him off like this. It’s crazy.


21.) 02 Oct 2019 16:29:41
If I believed Robert Thomas was at his peak performance than i'd be saying he is the future #4C for St. Louis. I've never once said Thomas isn't good. I simply think he is the future #2C for Stlouis. I know that's tough for you to read but take it.

Yes, Thomas won the Gretzky award but so did many before him. McDavid, Marner, Hall and Perry are the best of the winners. More than half those winners ended up role players or AHL players. i'm glad you pulled it up for your argument it shows me you can argue with facts.

We odviously differ on what our take on a true future#1C is and that's fine. personally i'd hope my future #1C is a stud in every level he plays in and dominates the NHL from the get go but hey if you want a marginal star player as your future #1C I say have it. its your right to think anything you want

Unfortunatly due to this being an opinion on the what future#1C means to ourselves there really is no wrong or right answer.

You continue throwing that title out to everyone you deem worthy (st. louis prospects and every prospect going to the leafs in a leaf trade) and ill continue to judge prospects at a much much higher standard.

Go Cardinals!


22.) 02 Oct 2019 16:49:06
Id like to also add that championships seem to follow robert Thomas wherever he goes. that's an amazing feat


Robert Thomas for future captain seems more logical than future #1C
to me, anyways.


23.) 02 Oct 2019 17:33:59
Well in the same aspect till. You disbarraged my opinion on parayko as well. How did that turn out for you. I see Thomas as a great 70 80 or two way planning center. A great 1c for this team. As for sucking him off. Till you should have watched him play all the announcers and analyst during the playoffs all had grst things to say. I get it you have a personal thing against me. Just admit I was right about parayko and if I'm wrong about Thomas I will say as much also. I remember saying schenn at 1c was a goid thing and being beat up by that as well. It's col everyone had their opinion. We will see if my floats or sinks.


24.) 02 Oct 2019 17:44:39
Ive never said anything bad about Parayko. He is a beast and any team or anyone would be foolish not to agree. Pie and Colton are gems in the backend. Parayko would of been a 1st rounder if he played in the WHL for 1 season.


25.) 02 Oct 2019 17:57:30
also, comparing one player to another doesn't demean just how good the player you are comparing any.

Parayko and Pietroangelo had rough starts to the season last season but once redwing1 pointed out the coaching change I forgot about it was apparent Yeo was the problem. Once Yeo left Colton and Pie both drove their advanced stats up very high. Overall their season last year didn't look amazing but if you take their stats from January through the playoffs they both looked top 10 D in the NHL for sure.


26.) 02 Oct 2019 18:10:03
Look this is my final thought. Thomas was amazing last year and improved greatly as the year went on. He started with limited time and ended up being the driving force on the third line. No all players with high ceilings come into the league tear it up. Kucherov had 18 points in 52 games when he was 20. Different strokes for different folks. I believe (many others do as well), That Thomas is going to shine this year. We shall see.

As far as this trade prop. No one on this board would do it. Thomas.


27.) 02 Oct 2019 18:41:09
if you would of lead with this instead of all the future #1C mumbo jumbo you were writing then the topic would of been closed a day ago. but then again, what would of been the fun with that?


28.) 02 Oct 2019 22:24:25
The parayko thing was aimed at yupp.

As for the 1c he is going to be one we will see after t gis year and I have no problem admitting when I am wromg.


29.) 03 Oct 2019 06:10:10
Didn’t you think Parayko would be a Norris winner? He’s not near that caliber, yet. I’ve always liked him and haven’t ever had a problem with Parayko.
But your shatttenkirk value was so off you had to leave hear and come back as a different name man.
And your homer biased Lehtera views were Efin laughable. Both those proven so so so wrong man.
Parayko is a stud! I love him and his game! Always have. Not a Norris caliber D man but he’s awesome! You were sucking him off so hard before he was on anyone’s radar as even just a good D man!
Dude, You being the most homer guy in the site for a while, Shattu being traded for SO much less than you screaming he would return, Then leaving, coming back as a rivals name months later, Is so efin funny. You should be so embarrassed. Like come on man.


30.) 03 Oct 2019 12:34:27
i heard somewhere that redwing1 use to walk around the St. Louis arenaand streets with a sign saying
"Lehtera best passer in the league for MVP"

Phillys GM saw this guy and was very intrigued so he pulled the trigger
Braydon Schenn for Lehtera and #27 in 2017 draft

Lets hope for phillys sake Morgan Frost turns out to be something. The more the years drag on looks like St. Louis got Schenn and a stanley cup for nothing.

Well done redwing1 way to hook and sink Philly into that deal. Your overhyping of a player got Philly Schenn (bravo, bravo)


31.) 03 Oct 2019 13:33:30
**meant got st. louis schenn**.


 

 

30 Sep 2019 23:04:30
To st.louis
Morgan frost

To philly
Robert thomas

Apparently morgan frost is a future 1C and by all accounts i read around here so is robert Thomas

Frost had superior ohl stats than thomas so clearly he has to be better than Thomas

Trading of future 1C players drafted in same year but due to frost being outstanding in jr compared to thomas and since frost is"bluechip" he's got to be worth more

Thoughts

Craigger12

1.) 30 Sep 2019 23:33:34
Frost is better than Thomas. No doubt about that. He’s just being held back by Philadelphia’s deep center depth. I’m not sure how anyone can consider a 9 goal scorer a future 1C. Maybe in the 1990’s. But not now.

I have a feeling I walked in to a party after the drunk fight broke out? I actually went to the Leafs board to read what was going on. Just confirms what I already suspected. Colt, or RedWing, or whatever his name is, really doesn’t know much about hockey at all. Him and JoeMarcus couldn’t hammer a nail if they had instructions and Holmes on Homes showing them how.


2.) 01 Oct 2019 00:28:25
Blues are not trading Robert thomas for Morgan frost. Consider Robert thomas as untouchable as Colton parayko.


3.) 01 Oct 2019 10:16:16
I agree with Redwing I believe Thomas is the most valuable peice on the blues roster over O’Rielly, Petro, Senko ETC not Paryanko tho.


4.) 01 Oct 2019 11:33:56
He is fast great hands plays a 200 ft game and at 19 cracked a Stanley cup team. He is the future.


5.) 01 Oct 2019 13:37:31
Is he the best set up man in the league? Crazy how the best set up guy in the league was no longer in the league after you said that colt.


6.) 01 Oct 2019 15:58:59
yupp your sure like to twist words. You and your lehtera bs. let's go back to the RNH for Petro bs you spun back in the day. How did that work for you. Do you still think RNH is worth petro….


7.) 01 Oct 2019 18:01:24
Erik johnson was untouchable at one point. how did that work out

Noone is untouchable and usually fans who dub them that they get dealt within a year for a player the fanbase dubs untouchable. its the buisness. you throw out insane titles for mediocre players. if thomas would of been the best player on that 3rd line in the playoffs you might have a better argument but he wasnt. Bozak drove that line and Thomas was just there.

Hes good but not untouchable.


8.) 01 Oct 2019 18:36:29
I dubbed parayko petro untouchable. Tarasenko as well. I love your responses they make little to no sense.


9.) 01 Oct 2019 20:00:41
I’m not spinning anything. You’re the one who said Lehtera was the best set up guy in the league. Shortly after you saying that he was traded. Then was out of the league. That was pretty funny.
And you just admitted you are Colt. Why the name change? Leave when Shattenkirks return was like half what you were screaming he was worth, then come back months later, under a different name? Lol.


10.) 01 Oct 2019 20:17:38
Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it doesn't make sense. Just because it proves a point doesn't mean it makes no sense.

Erik johnson once dubbed the next chris pronger by the st. louis fan base was called the untouchable. One bad season and he gets dealt fir shatty. Now shatty is dubbed the next big untouchable by st. louis blues fans. His act runs stale and gets shipped to washington for basically nothing.

Even gretzky got dealt. Hull, oates, pronger, mcinnis all untouchables gone . Every player is tradable. In sports you can't dub people untouchable. One more bad year in edmonton and mcdavid becomes tradable.
if you don't understand this then i guess go back under the rock youll never understand this.


11.) 01 Oct 2019 21:49:32
Hey craigger blues ain't trading Thomas so het over it yupp prove I said that. Cause I didn't.


Lol all this because I pointed out a known. Lol don't change leaf fans.


12.) 02 Oct 2019 10:02:24
No', all this started because you're throwing out future #1 terms that they have lost their meaning. scouts and analyst reserve those terms for game changers not guys who are maybes.


13.) 02 Oct 2019 17:36:40
All this cause I won't accept your sheet offer for Thomas.


14.) 02 Oct 2019 18:38:19
i put this up because you called both frost and thomas future #1C so i decided why not deal them for one another. you took way to much offence to it.


15.) 02 Oct 2019 18:41:52
All this because you called Robert Thomas untouchable.


 

 

20 Sep 2019 16:54:07
to Car
Laine

to WPG
Pesce
Haula
Kaukanen

Laine and Aho had great chemestry for Finland..would love to see them together again

Winnepeg gets a top 4 D..6-9 Forward who can play center if needed and a solid prospect who plays center

Craigger12

1.) 20 Sep 2019 17:02:15
Pesce is nice, but Haula and Kaukanen are both wingers and not needed by the Jets. Put more thought into your trades and try to take the Jets needs into account with young players with lots of team control left. A pretty easy, resounding no.


2.) 20 Sep 2019 17:29:50
Right now with buff possibly out the biggest need is big rhd. Then you get a third line center and a young big forward capable of scoring.

I think at this point you are just picking on craigger. Laine only had 30 goals 50 pts last year. Was a selfish lazy player who deosnt play defense. He was not very noticeable in the playoffs and apparently plays to much footnote lol. I think the offer is fair. Rather than sit here and keep saying the same thing make a counter suggestion.


3.) 20 Sep 2019 18:12:47
Its funny how many post to try and rob the Jets to get Laine only to read how he isn't worth these silly posts. The Jets are not desperate to trade Laine and when and if the Jets consider a trade quality will be the most important factor over quantity.


4.) 20 Sep 2019 19:08:30
I never said that but let's be realistic he hit 30g 50pts last year had off ice issues. Pesce is the closest thing to parayko and with buff being out a huge need for Jets. Its obvious that Laine has lost some value. let's be honest about that.


5.) 21 Sep 2019 02:24:55
Laine will get a 1st round pick and a decent prospect. he's not getting a huge package. Jets fans will have to eat there words again.


 

 

 

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21 Oct 2019 10:18:35
Mete or Fleury would have to be added. vlasic would be a huge add beside weber for montreal.

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21 Oct 2019 00:11:12
Maybe a 7th.

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20 Oct 2019 17:59:45
Erik karlsson when his teams suck in ottawa was an awesome -62 in 4 season. this year he is an amazing -9.Thomas Chabot isn't he considered great. well his -24 in 2 seasons with ottawa must mean he sucks.

Either these guys really really suck or the +/ - stat is a crappy stat. can't be both.

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19 Oct 2019 23:25:34
Yeah, suzukis, necas and caufield may be much

Lets try
Tatar, Fleury 4th rd pick
Or

Dzingel, Fleury 3rd rd pick

Closer.

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Robertson is a LW who is indeed off to a great stsrt along with another leaf prospect as his center SDA.

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