26 Nov 2020 17:08:33
Ranger
Kakko
Kratskov
Schneider

Jets
Laine


Mmj and islandjet seem to be the same guy.

1.) 26 Nov 2020
26 Nov 2020 18:13:12
Decent value but other than Schneider there isn't anything Winnipeg needs. So an easy no.

It doesn't matter at all what you want to give up for Laine, or what you in your biased imagination think Laine is worth, it only matters what Winnipeg would accept.

If you want Laine now, you'll have to pay exactly what Chevy wants and this isn't it.

With 3 years of team control on Laine Winnipeg won't accept any of these 50 cents for a dollar proposals that frequent this site.

If you want a reduced price like this, be prepared to wait two years minimum and hope Laine isn't signed long term and that you can beat out the other offers at that time.

Right now an offer like this stands no chance.

2.) 26 Nov 2020
26 Nov 2020 20:31:34
The Jets are in no hurry to trade Laine.

3.) 26 Nov 2020
26 Nov 2020 20:37:02
Marcus, i'm genuinely curious, could you make a post detailing what you think is a fair offer for Laine?

Like, I get that Kakko and Kravtsov are both forwards, but in a post below, Pesce and a 1st is only a decent start? So Pesce and a 1st isn't enough, even though Pesce is legitimately the exact piece necessary for a team like Winnipeg? Sure Pesce and a 1st don't have as much value as Kakko, Kravtsov and Schneider, imo at least, but you're now stating how you want an offer which fills the Jets holes, which Pesce and a 1st clearly do.

Cause I totally understand not wanting more forwards and wanting a dman to fill the hole at RD that Winnipeg has. But you can't have it both ways, you can't have a surplus offer like this (which doesn't fill holes) and say no, then get an even offer (which completely fills holes, like Travis Sanheim, or Brandon Carlo, or Brett Pesce) and also say no.

You aren't getting a surplus offer that also fills completely fills holes, like you aren't getting Kakko and Adam Fox and a 1st somehow, or Seth Jarvis, Brett Pesce and a 1st, or something. It just isn't happening, and I understand you saying that, 'oh, if that doesn't happen, we'll just keep Laine'. That's fine and all, but that core isn't going to win a cup with Wheeler aging and the defence as is right now - just like you guys said all the time about the Leafs, and still say today.

But yeah, if we could see what you think Laine is worth, it'd be nice. i don't mean to be rude, but I'm just trying to state some facts. WPG won't get a #2-3D + a top6 forward + a 1st. No way.

4.) 26 Nov 2020
26 Nov 2020 20:44:05
Laine is a top winger who at 22 isn't going to be traded by the Jets for a quantity of unproven players.

5.) 27 Nov 2020
26 Nov 2020 22:16:09
I wouldn’t trade Kakko for Laine straight up if I’m New York, 2 more years of ELC from Kakko is worth a lot.

6.) 27 Nov 2020
26 Nov 2020 22:26:53
Well that's a lot to go through top shelf, but let's see what we can do.

This offer, all futures. Why would Winnipeg trade Laine for players that won't have an impact for 3 or more years in the positions they need?

Yes, Pesce and a first is a decent start if you want Laine now. Pesce is good, but Laine is better and more valuable plus Winnipeg needs to be compensated for age. That's why it's a good start.

Sanheim is okay, but an LD so with Morrissey, Samberg and Heinola on the left side long term, not as appealing as you guys want him to be. Carlo is nice, but right now this numbers show him to be a bottom pairing guy, that should make a consistent top 4 guy, but until that is known, he's not landing a younger, better, first line winger without a hefty add. Fox would likely not garner to much attention as he's all offense, no defense, so the the exact opposite of what Winnipeg needs.

So, while I don't have an exact ask in mind, what I'm saying and what Islandjet says, is that Winnipeg won't trade Laine now for all futures, or 50 cents on the dollar, why would they?

If the trade doesn't fill the needs Winnipeg has now and long term, then Winnipeg will likely keep Laine as long as possible. The Jets won't trade Laine just for of trading him.

Look at Chevy's history. He was forced to trade a locker room cancer and made a killing on that trade. Trouba would only accept a trade to one team and had only one year of term left and Chevy still handily won that trade.

Everyone is under the misconception that Chevy has to move Laine now.
Why would Chevy trade Laine with 3 years of team control left for half or less of his value now?

2 years from now some if these deals make sense, but if you want Laine now with 3 years of control, you pay what Chevy wants or you move on.

7.) 27 Nov 2020
26 Nov 2020 23:07:39
It’s funny because the jets believe their team is a gift from god but imo the leafs are in a much better position.

Leafs top 6>>The jets top 6

The bottom 6 for leafs is yet to be seen jets have a safe bottom 6. Leafs could have the best bottom 6 in game or they could have worst let’s see how experiment plays out but for sake of argument let’s give jets the edge.

Rielly, Muzzin and Bodie> Morrisey, Poink and Demelo

Dermott, Lethonen and Sandin> whoever they can find to throw into lineup.

Helly>Andersen.

8.) 27 Nov 2020
26 Nov 2020 23:17:04
Winnipeg Jets defence is week on both sides. They need a Left and Right side help. Samberg, Heinola, Stanley are all Left handed shots but I don’t think any of them are really NHL ready. Maybe Heinola. But I don’t think Jets are going to get 2 defensemen in a trade for Laine but a good defenceman and a decent forward would help. Trading Laine now being young, you are more likely to get more for him now than later.
WPG
Laine

NYI
Pullock
Beauvillier
Or something like that.

9.) 27 Nov 2020
27 Nov 2020 00:27:05
I don’t even know 2 of the guys but memarcus sounds like he likes Schneider. Replacing Laine with Kakko, Schneider and another guy doesn’t sound so bad.

10.) 27 Nov 2020
27 Nov 2020 03:19:59
Pulock would definitely be something a deal couple be worked around IMO, Muzza.

The reason I don't think the Jets are as keen on an LD is that they have Heinola and Samberg coming up and while both may not play this year, they are definitely in the Jets plans in the future. So, I don't see Chevy spending his most valuable trade asset to plug a hole that he can fill internally in two years anyways. As Islandjet says, the Jets are far more likely to go with what they have and see how it looks before making drastic changes.

So, for LD Winnipeg just needs a vet to hold down the fort for a year or so, if anything. While RD the Jets don't have anyone in the system as good as Heinola or Samberg. Hence the need for a long term RD.

11.) 27 Nov 2020
27 Nov 2020 17:26:22
Then would you do a
WPG
Perreault

LV
McNabb.

12.) 27 Nov 2020
27 Nov 2020 19:16:32
McNabb would work for Winnipeg I guess, but I don't think Vegas can afford to take Perreault.

Although McNabb is more of a bottom pairing/ press box guy and the Jets would probably want a guy at least capable of top 4 minutes, which of course Perreault wouldn't land.