13 Oct 2019 01:01:08
MTL:Tatar,Fleury,2rd2020

Winnipeg: Ehlers


Just value wise


1.) 13 Oct 2019
13 Oct 2019 05:34:31
Tatar is 28, a winger, very ordinary and 2 years from UFA and Fleury is a nothing special defensive prospect. So, in other words pretty terrible value.

If you wanted to be close in value, you would have to start with a 2C/ top 4D around the same age and skill level as Ehlers.


2.) 13 Oct 2019
13 Oct 2019 07:18:12
That’s good value for Ehlers, though considering how weak Winnipeg’s D is, if any winger gets moved, an NHL D will need to come back. FLeury is a good prospect, but prospects don’t really help Winnipeg right now.


3.) 13 Oct 2019
13 Oct 2019 14:15:39
2 years of Tatar at 5 million, a young top 4 D in the making and a second rounder is not bad for a 30 goal player imo.


4.) 13 Oct 2019
13 Oct 2019 16:24:04
Another dumb post trying to get the Jets to give away a young, relatively inexpensive player signed for 5 more years in Ehlers for Tatar and average prospect and a 2nd. No way the Jets do this joke of a trade.


5.) 13 Oct 2019
13 Oct 2019 17:15:52
Tatar replaces ehlers points for 2 years then the so called amazing prospects i keep reading around here that the jets have take over

Jets gain Fleury who is the 2017-18 coming out party version of josh morrisey this season only plays RHD.

Then montreal hands winnipeg a 2nd rounder to add to what I've also read around here a very deep prospect pool the jets have.

Personally i think either you're really attached to ehlers or you simply think winnipeg can't replace tatar in 2 years with their so called deep prospect pool. its one or the other. pick one.


6.) 13 Oct 2019
13 Oct 2019 19:12:43
It's neither Craigger. It's that Tatar is 28 and has never produced, save his career year last season, anywhere close to Ehlers and is 2 years from UFA.

Yes, if you're an idiot that trade might make sense. But objectively no one being honest would make that trade from a Jets point of view.

Again in terms you might understand. Would you accept that deal (value wise) for Nylander?


7.) 13 Oct 2019
13 Oct 2019 20:25:57
Tatar had 19g 39p sophmore year playing 3rd line on pretty good detroit team . he became a 25-29 goal scorer 45-56 point player on diminshing Detroit team that each year kept losing a star. He had 1 bad year on a horrible detroit team got dealt and was playing 3rd line on a stacked vegas team that went to the cup. Last year he played great and if you see him play he plays gritty so his points don't tell hole story

Ehlers is a 60 point player coming off a down year but has never had bad playing partners. when you get to play with a cast of studs you get points. When they slump you slump. he still is a good player young and on goid contract

Both players are fast and skilled and have an edge to their game. this deal isn't for each other. montreal adds a rhd man and a 2nd rounder.

mamarcusjoe,
You didn't get what i was writing. Tatar replaces ehlers points for 2 years and if winnipeg is confident one of their prospects will step up by then, then getting fleury and a 2nd looks like a steal for basically nothing.

As for you resorting to toronto again, ill write this
If i was confident leafs had a replacement for tatar in 2 years ready to go then yes this is a done deal. tatar will get nylanders points for 2 years then get replaced by someone who is a prospect now to take that spot. getting fleury and 2nd for basically nothing would be amazing. if production is never lost then did you really lose anything.

Problem is unless sheldon keefe coaches the leafs guys like bracco, robertson, sda, korchkov just will never get that chance to be that guy in 2 years.

I simply don't have as high hopes that the leafs have a prospect ready to go in 2 years, the way you hype the jets prospects, to replace nylande/ tatar production on matthews wing. making it appear by you that winnipeg would making this a good deal. Its no biggy though, you just have to stop with misreading what is really being written because in the end you either are confident in winnipegs prospects to replace ehlers/ tatar production in 2 years or you're not.

Im not on torontos end at this time.


8.) 13 Oct 2019
13 Oct 2019 20:49:34
Remember even though nylander has a cap hit of 6.9 he is actually only owed 700K this season as 8 million was paid on july 1st.12 million last year was paid to him.

5 years for 28 million actual cash owed is a steal.

This doesn't matter to montreal as they are rich but for any team not in cap trouble and are cash strapped nylander would be a good target. His value is more than ehlers for his kind of reason. not much more but just a snig.

Again, if toronto had a prospect they deemed they're next top 6 RW who they think is ready in 2 years than i think tatar and fleury with a 2nd works pretty good. also if that prospect doesn't work out theyd have 6.9 million to replace that spot beside matthews. either way. its all good. just a conversation of sorts. lol.


9.) 14 Oct 2019
13 Oct 2019 22:46:19
Craigger, the problem is that Tatar doesn't replace Ehlers points for the next 2 years. If you set aside Tatar's career year last season, he is a 40 point player trending down.

While Ehlers at 23 is a 60 point player when you set aside his injury plagued year last season and is only getting better. So, you're about 20 points minimum low there and there's a much, much better chance that Ehlers returns to form and even exceeds it, than there is of Tatar exceeding or even repeating his career season.

So, giving up a young 60 point winger for a 28 year old declining winger, just to pick up a prospect who projects to be a bottom pairing defenseman just isn't worth it.

It would be terrible asset management.


10.) 14 Oct 2019
13 Oct 2019 22:58:52
However, you were saying that I misread what you said but then do the same thing on one of my posts. Where did I say one of Appleton, Vesalainen, Samberg or Roslovic would replace Ehlers production in a couple years?

All I said is that I wouldn't move any of those guys for Ristolainen. Simply because getting Ristolainen doesn't outweigh the impact of losing any one of those players. I'd rather just keep the young guys and stay the course.

Good conversation though. I guess we just need you read each others posts more carefully. Lol.


11.) 14 Oct 2019
14 Oct 2019 13:20:13
Yeah, sorry. sometimes to make the conversation go one direction i can manipulate words a bit. we all do it, its not right but its a human flaw we all got. lol

I also think tatar can't relace ehlers no matter who he plays with

Good points.