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21 Oct 2018 09:56:12
Might be a little biased as a Habs fan but this works for both teams.

Leafs - Nylander

Habs - Petry (50% retained), Scherbak, Brooks, 4th

Petry = number 2-3 dman on most teams (if you disagree then please watch a habs game), and is a steal at 2.25 million for 3 years
Scherbak = very talented but can't seem to make it work in Montreal
Brooks = decent prospect, won't be anything special but will most likely make the NHL
4th = throw in

Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Marleau - Matthews - Scherbak
Johnsson - Kadri - Kapanen
Brown - Lindholm - Ennis

Reilly - Petry
Gardiner - Zaitsev
Dermott - Hainsey.

21 Oct 2018 10:00:32
Habs lines:

Drouin - Domi - Nylander
Tatar - Danault - Gallagher
Lehkonen - Kotka - Armia
Byron - Pleky - Hudon

Reilly - Weber
Mete - Juulsen
Ouellet - Benn

Byron on the 4th is rough, but it gives the team scoring options on all 4 lines.

21 Oct 2018 12:27:11
Dump the 4th to a2nd imo. Brook (the dman right) is good, Scherbak is basically Kapanen 2.0 which i don't mind and Petry at 50% is solid for our blueline. Just bump that pick. You might need a little more because teams normally don’t trade young blossoming players to rivals.

21 Oct 2018 14:00:57
There is no way Leafs Trade Nylander within their division.

21 Oct 2018 15:52:07
Although I like Nylander. I still don't like him at 8+million per.
I also am reluctant to deal Brook,

21 Oct 2018 16:09:45
Tempting

Petry sucks, but he’s better than Hainsey, and is worth the $2.25. Scherbak can’t even make Montreal, so I have a very hard time seeing him crack Leafs lineups. It’s still too early to say for sure, but Brook looks to be like he is going to make it as top 4 RHD. He’d be a real nice prospect player to add.

I’m not seeing anything here that would turn Dubas on. It’s a mediocre defenseman and some mediocre prospects. Nylander is 1RW and would have an immediate impact on Montreal. He’s worth more.

21 Oct 2018 21:30:08
change the 4th to a 1st at minimum, for nylander to get traded to a rival it would take overpayment. and even that package with 1st would be a steal.

21 Oct 2018 22:38:51
Petry a #2/3 on "most" teams. Lol 😂😂. Talk about a VBB over exaggeration here.

"Some"* teams.

22 Oct 2018 04:24:25
Too much for nylander.

20 Oct 2018 21:10:18
Deal now:
To Carolina:
Nylander, Durzi, Marincin, Neilson
To Leafs:
Pesce, Foegele, Zykov

In January (for cap space and for defence improvement)
To NYI:
2019 1st, Zaitsev, Leivo
To Leafs:
Pulock, possible pick/prospect depending on Pulock's play, Zaitsev's play, and Leivo's play up to that point

Deadline deal
To Columbus:
Gardiner (extension from Columbus required), condtional 2020 1st (becomes 2nd, 2021 3rd if Panarin doesn't re-sign), Brown, 2019 4th
To Leafs:
Panarin (he will be cheaper to get by this point)

Lines:
Marleau/Matthews/Panarin
Hyman/Tavares/Marner
Foegele/Kadri/Kapanen
Johnsson/Lindholm/Zykov
*Ennis, Gauthier
Reilly/Pulock
Dermott/Pesce
Hainsey/Ozhiganov
*Holl
Anderson
Sparks

Cmon how could you not love that team?
Scratched players all under $700 thousand

Solid 4th line and each player under 1mill

Third line of hard workers that can score and take on other teams top lines

And the other two are nothing special, just so we can throw a team together 😂

People seemed to like this on the leafs rumours site, so I wanted to branch out a bit and get more opinions

21 Oct 2018 01:40:08
I’d make all of those trades from a leafs POV.

21 Oct 2018 08:41:03
So if VB says he'd do all those trades from a Leafs POV, this prolly tells you all you need to know about whether those trades are fair.

21 Oct 2018 14:04:19
coming from the guy who thinks Stamkos>Mathews and Crosby—>Fantasy league.

21 Oct 2018 22:45:10
But Stamkos IS better than Mathews 🤔

Mathews: 69, 63 point seasons
Stamkos: 46, 95, 91, 97, 57, 40, 72, 64, 20, 86,
Mathews was injured 20 games season #2 and Stamkos was injured half or so of season #5, 6, 9.
Mathews 1 - 40 goal season
Stamkos 4 - 40+ goal season, 1 is 51 and 1 is 60.
Not sure how you argue those numbers.

22 Oct 2018 03:01:01
Ok but Matthews also missed about a quarter of the season last year, he would’ve hit 70 for sure and probably 75, maybe even 80.

22 Oct 2018 04:05:43
You can’t argue those numbers. Stamkos has been a stud for years and leaf fans can only hope Matthews has a career as good as Stamkos.

20 Oct 2018 11:49:46
Devils:
-LW Marcus Johansson
-C/RW Mikey McLeod
-2019 1st round

Leafs
-C/RW William Nylander

20 Oct 2018 13:48:25
Hell no from devils Nylander even with a 6×6 contract is not worth Mcleoud and a first so forgetabout adding Johanson.

20 Oct 2018 17:11:46
Ya, way too much, people thinking nylander is a superstar when he's just a above average player. not like he's a great two way player, 1 dementional winger, stop thinking he's worth a ransom when other teams know his contract demands, they aren't going to give a lot to over pay a good player.

20 Oct 2018 20:46:33
None of those pieces provide any value to the leafs.

20 Oct 2018 22:56:52
It’s close.

McLeod is highly rated, but unproven, prospect player, while Johansson is pending UFA coming back from nasty concussion. The 1st is what it is.

Jersey is loaded in talented forward prospects, so may be willing to move McLeod for someone that can contribute immediately. This is probably reasonably close to what Leafs can expect in terms of a package of picks/ prospects.

20 Oct 2018 23:50:12
Nobody should give any value to the leafs vb or whatever your name is, do you honestly think Nylander is worth much or can you just not see through them Toronto glasses.

21 Oct 2018 01:46:55
Well I mean McLeod and the 1st could potentially never play a game in the NHL and Johanson has negative value IMO he’s not worth his contract. So leafs could be potential be giving a PPG + player for virtually nothing of concrete value obviously the 1st is nice but McLeod doesn’t fit in at all. Wouldn’t be surprised if he can put up 90 points eventually in the right situation he reminds me very much of Paniran and it’s likely he’s better in the future comparing statistics.

21 Oct 2018 08:42:26
classic VB.

22 Oct 2018 04:28:56
My only question is if leafs don't think nylander is worth $8 per year. then why do they think he is worth that such in a trade.

18 Oct 2018 16:12:25
This trade would never happen but you know I just feel like this today
To Leafs:
Bobrovsky, Panarin, Nutivaara
To Columbus:
Anderson, Gardiner, Nylander, 2020 2nd
Anderson+2nd=Bobrovsky
Nylander=Panarin
Gardiner=Nutivaara

18 Oct 2018 19:24:23
Never happen like you said. Bobrovsky apparently wants Price money. So taking that into consideration, I’m satisfied with Andersen at $5mill for 3 more years. 5 years control of Nylander for a year of Panarin isn’t worth it. And UFA Gardiner for a 20 year old good Dman makes no sense for CBJ. If they’re losing their star goalie and best forward, what is the point of adding Gardiner?

18 Oct 2018 19:47:29
Nylander is not close to panarin, maybe nylander will be 5 years from now but not close right now, panarin has earned 8+ a year, nylander hasnt.

18 Oct 2018 22:24:32
Read what he said Shoots, he said he prefers having Nylander under control for 5 more years than having Panarin for 1. And he is right.

19 Oct 2018 12:26:12
What he said is they're equal, nylander wants more money that isn't earned, panarin is proven he's earned a contract, nylander has a few years to earn. Much rather have panarin at 6 mil this year than 8 mil nylander. Panarin has much better stats playing with lesser players.

19 Oct 2018 12:40:01
If leafs can sign nylander at 6m-6.5 for 3-5 years, he's worth it, but at his contract demands, he ain't worth nothing. No team is paying a 60 point player 8 million a year long term.

19 Oct 2018 12:55:36
And not responding to Jim if that's what's you're talking about cherry, he always has good input, I get the control of the player but they are not equal, not close, not what I was talking about.

19 Oct 2018 17:39:25
My apologies Shoots, thought you were referring to the 1st response.

19 Oct 2018 19:47:12
Yeah, player for player I’m not debating Nylander equals panarin. Just that panarin will demand $8.5+ mill in July which he will be worth but we can’t afford and we would be competing with 30 teams to try to keep him. Nylander can demand $8.5mill all he wants, Dubas controls his future. So at the end of the day it’s trading off 5 years of a 60-70 pt guy for 1 year of a 75-80 pt guy, when scoring is the least of our worries.

20 Oct 2018 05:01:48
Totally agree jim.

20 Oct 2018 16:12:36
Ya but Nylamder could become a 80-100 point guy. Here's why, how many players have we seen getting 30-60 points season until the age of 23 and then after that getting 60+ points season? Barkov is an example. I think 60 is just the start for Nylander I don't know why people think he can't prosgress more then just a 70 point player. I've never been a fan of leafs but if mtl can get Nylander oh boy what a team. And why would he take less the 7 million? Because Pastnark took a discount 2 years ago so Nylander has to be lower then what Boston plays him? Lol.

18 Oct 2018 02:07:00
Leafs GM Dubas has flown to Switzerland to meet with RFA Nylander to try and get a deal done. Nylander has been training in Sweden all along now and hey agreed on a neutral site in Switzerland to meet.

Source: nhl. discussion Instagram.

18 Oct 2018 14:36:10
Who put unbelievable? This is 100% true.

18 Oct 2018 15:35:31
Yeah. Apparently it was just to make it a little more personal. From the reports I heard, Dubas’s Top dollar hasn’t moved but he felt it was important to meet face to face to tell Nylander that they have no intentions of trading him. That’s a main concern of Nylanders, which I understand, is if he signs for less than he feels he’s worth to be a part of a great team and ends up in Arizona or Carolina, he would look like a fool (canes look good though early) .

Also from what Darren Dreger said this morning, this is a meeting with dubas and Nylander only. No assistant GMs standing with dubas and no agents or dad sitting with Nylander. That could make a big difference too. Dubas was apparently a huge sell for Tavares and he can maybe get Nylander to relate to him and see the big picture better without all the other voices and distractions. Hopefully something good comes from it.

17 Oct 2018 15:24:03
Mtl:Gallagher,2019

Tor:Nylander@8.2million×8

17 Oct 2018 16:23:10
Nope - just not worth that much money.

17 Oct 2018 17:48:26
One of the funniest suggestions yet.

17 Oct 2018 22:49:06
So no from habs?

17 Oct 2018 22:34:42
What’s the 2019? And I’m assuming no habs fan wants to pay Nylander $8.2 million after leafs fans who like him have said for months he’s worth no more than $7 mill max.

17 Oct 2018 22:39:19
2019 what? Doesn't matter habs wouldn't do it anyway.

18 Oct 2018 00:31:58
2 rd pick 2019.

18 Oct 2018 03:22:09
Nylander is prob better than a Gallagher
But Gallagher is the soul carrier of this team
So no from habs.

18 Oct 2018 18:59:38
Neither team makes this trade. Nylander is not worth that much either.

18 Oct 2018 21:53:26
You’re joking right? Nylander put up back to back 60 point seasons and Brendan has never done it once. To say he’s
Not worth him is an absolute joke. Nylander would instantly be mtls best player by a landslide. Leafs pass Gallagher is a little rat that overachieved last year. Also nylanders ceiling destroys Gallagher’s. Wake up clowns.

19 Oct 2018 10:03:03
@ mclraty if he's so good go tell your GM to sign him already so we can stop hearing about it.

17 Oct 2018 00:42:02
Bergevin wants Nylander and has room under the cap.

Mtl:Mete,2rd pick 2019×2, Hudon

Toronto:Nylander(sign at 8,2 million×8

17 Oct 2018 02:43:31
No from the leafs! Not enough coming back despite his good you think Mete Hudon is.

17 Oct 2018 04:18:39
I like him. but not at 8 million.

17 Oct 2018 12:21:25
Organizational depth on left D is our weakest position right now. Plus I wouldn't want to pay nylander 8.2 mil per.

17 Oct 2018 17:49:49
Nylander not worth the money the pick or the players.

17 Oct 2018 18:09:25
He would instantly be Montreal’s best player. If he signs for 7-7.5 he’s worth it.

17 Oct 2018 22:35:27
Nothing great enough coming back for leafs to do it and that’s a big cap hit for habs to commit to for him. Don’t think either team would be to enthusiastic about this.

16 Oct 2018 23:38:01
Leafs: Nylander

Canes: Pesce

Straight up.

Canes have enough depth on defense and would benefit immensely getting Nylander up front and have the cap to pay.

Leafs get young top 4 dman on friendly long term contract.

Get er done.

17 Oct 2018 01:47:52
Sold for me imo.

17 Oct 2018 02:22:28
You just seen Lebrun tweet out and talk about this didn't you. Haha.
Good for both teams.
I think Nylander would be great fir for Carolina or CLB like I've always thought. But think it's more likely Carolina calls Dubas up.

17 Oct 2018 02:45:12
Like it just think nylander has the higher ceiling. Yes the long term contract of pesce off sets that but canes add a little. Either another b prospect of second round pick.

17 Oct 2018 13:22:46
This is a solid trade straight up tho. Good for both teams.

17 Oct 2018 14:25:42
Ya Nylander in my opinion hold more value then Pesce, and I honestly think Pesce is a bit overrated.
The guy didn’t even crack the 20 point mark and he was -6 last year, yes he is still young and right handed, but he is definitely not worth Nylander straight up. He may also be injury prone because he did miss some games last season
Nylander straight up would have to bring in a guy like Parayko or Dumba, compare those guys to Pesce, Carolina would definitely have to add.

17 Oct 2018 15:21:00
Nylander won't bring in a guy like Parayko unless he signs at 5.5M. his trade value goes down due to the price tag he is asking for.

17 Oct 2018 16:51:29
Yupp I actually saw him talk about it on tv ya 😂 good trade.

18 Oct 2018 15:30:29
I’d take Parayko or Dumba every time over Nylander it’s not even comparable.

16 Oct 2018 23:13:15
to NYI
Nylander

to Toronto
Pulock
2nd.

16 Oct 2018 21:35:39
Long shot, but something to post!
Oilers: Nurse + Puljujarvi + B prospect like Jones
Leafs: Nylander + Gardiner
Leafs get immediate help on defence and a good right winger with a ton of potential and a B prospect for defence.
Oilers get help for Draisaitl and a puck moving dman which they need desperately.

Now cap space is an issue for the oilers:
Oilers: 1st round pick 2020 + Lucic + Benning
Panthers: Petrovic + Screviour


Oilers line up:
RNH - McDavid- Ratty
Rieder - Drai - Nylander
Khaira - Strome - Screviour
Caggiula - Brodziak- Kassian
Chaison

Klefbom- Larsson
Gardiner- Petrovic
Russel - Bouchard
Bear.

16 Oct 2018 23:06:42
I’d do it as a leaf fan.

17 Oct 2018 00:00:50
I think Nurse/ Pulj+a 2nd may be better than throwing in Jones imo. Leafs take it if its Jones, idk if EDM would. Seeing that your an Oiler fan, if you want Nylander/ Gardiner, I think that's a fair swap, Nylander >> Pulj, but Nurse >> Gardiner.

As for the Petrovic deal, I think that's not bad, I just don't know if Florida does it. That 1st is a great asset, but idk if they'd have enough cap to accommodate Lucic with Barkov/ Hub/ Ekblad deals. But if they do, I think that's pretty good.

17 Oct 2018 02:25:48
Ya Caleb Jones has actually had a super good trianing camp, pre season and start to the AHL season, I don't se then adding him just yet to this deal.
I don't mind the deal, but would just rather Nurse Jan Gardiner just because of the uncertainty of Gardiners contract rumors being high high $ after this season. I'm kinda torn here. Like the idea, but unsure really.

17 Oct 2018 02:47:09
Gardener got 50 points last year, I don’t think nurse is better. Maybe age and defensively a little bit but James the better skater and clearly more offensively gifted. Leafs lose that trade, oilers add the second and jones and even then not sure.

17 Oct 2018 05:36:15
Nurse is actually a great skater. Definitely love the idea of getting better now instead of waiting and waiting for the future. I’d hate to lose Nurse but I’d love Nylander on Draisaitl’s wing. Oil won’t have the cap for this even with the Florida trade I'm guessing. It would be an easy no if I was more confident in Puljujarvi but I’m still leaning towards no personally. Good thought and I also think there’s better D out there for Nylander.

17 Oct 2018 12:13:19
Far fetched but interesting. Lucic waiving for panthers would definitely take some convincing. But I’m at least intrigued.

17 Oct 2018 15:48:10
I think Lucic might waive for the panthers. It’s a warm place with a decent team and he won’t get much attention there. He doesn’t want to play for a Canadian team.
Plus, Lucic is a decent player but his contract is a burden, and as long as he is being played on the 2nd line, the team will suffer. It’s worth sending a 1st rd pick that shouldn’t be top 15 or so.
For me, I think the GM screwed up and the coach is stubborn. They should be gone first.

16 Oct 2018 17:58:52
With kappanen showing he can play where nylander was and have success. Leafs can look at trading nylander for other needs, grit and defense.

Leafs - Nylander

Col - Josh Anderson, David Savard

Helps both teams I believe and money will work for both also. Col gets possible player to replace panarin if he leaves and leafs get gritty capable player in Anderson and a right handed shot stay at home defender in Savard who also has some grit.

16 Oct 2018 21:30:56
This isn't too bad.

16 Oct 2018 21:54:14
I like J. Anderson and have heard CLB could put him out there on the trade block. And I also think Nylander is a good fit in CLB. All depends on what Nylander actually signs for. It it's less than $7M then he could bring a decent return. $7M or more is maybe too much. Interesting trade partner tho, all depends what Ny signs for IMO.

16 Oct 2018 23:07:24
I’d take that as a leaf fan as well.

16 Oct 2018 11:59:23
I have a questions to Leafs fans regarding William Nylander.If Toronto had drafted Sergachev instead of Mattews, Hanifin instead of Marner and Nylander was your best forward, first do u think he would of had 2 60+ point season before 22 and do u think Leafs would gladly give him 8 million a year? Just wondering

16 Oct 2018 12:39:56
Well if he didn’t have 2 60 pt seasons than he wouldn’t be able to even try for the $8mill anyway.

But if we had a lot better Defense and lacked forwards, assuming he would have more leverage is prettt obvious.

But I don’t care what areas we are lacking, if he had shown less than he has now, he’s not getting $8 mill lol.

16 Oct 2018 15:10:16
I think even with those stats and where he is now he shouldn't be making $8M. his com parables are all under $7M. Who would you prefer. Pasta or Nylander? I think that was his closest comparable from everything i have read - but they never mention that Nylander has the ability to play center.

16 Oct 2018 15:58:48
@thunder, you’re right. I put him below pasta ($6.7) close to ehlers ($6 mill) . Those deals are a year or 2 old, so I could see him getting up to $6.75mill today. Monahan, Gaudreau, Schiefele, mackinnon etc all got between $6.3 and $6.8mill coming of their ELC. Those 3 of those guys are natural Centers, he hasn’t played much of it at all. He’s below all of them. Again, those are a year or 2 old and a cpl of them (scheifele and mackinnon) are way way under value now. But he’s in that $6.5 range for sure.

16 Oct 2018 17:39:57
I agree Jim, Scheifele and MacKinnon are unreal deals too. I hope he comes to terms with that and signs at a good rate.

16 Oct 2018 17:59:11
I really think this holdout had completely blown up in his face.

Kapanen is getting more comfortable by the game playing beside Matthews, and the Leafs don't look like they are missing Nylander's services at all. If anything, Nylander is putting himself in a worse negotiating position. He can stamp his feet all he wants -- at the end of the day Dubas owns him regardless and if he doesn't sign by December he misses out on the $6.5 mln (or whatever) the Leafs have offered him.

If I were Dubas I would continue to offer him something in the $6mln-$7mln range and not a penny more (actually I would probably offer him even less than before out of spite but that would probably have bad optics) and don't even consider trading him (unless somebody bowls you over with an offer you can't refuse) .

Pigs get fat; hogs get slaughtered.

16 Oct 2018 19:25:18
Ya the team and Kapanen doing so well is not good at all for any possible leverage Nylander is holding onto. Lol.

16 Oct 2018 21:56:54
Yeah, if I were dubas, I would send Louis Gross the same email every morning. “7x$6.5mill”. And after the last few games, seeing how kapanen has played and meshed with Matthews, I’d be tempted to start lowering that offer.

Ideally for me, wait it out till almost December deadline, as long as kapanen is still playing as well or close, try to trade trade Nylander for a guy like Colin miller, 26 year old 2way RHD with 4 years left at $4 mill and change. Or Josh Manson, 27 year old RHD with a $4.2 x 4 contract remaining and then try to extend Kapanen for 3 years @ $3 mill or so. End up with a big upgrade on D and a very capable winger in nylanders spot for less than his demand.

16 Oct 2018 01:45:38
Leafs trade Kapanen
Arizona trades Crouse

Crouse: 21 years old, 11th overall, 87 gp, 6g, 7a, 11:42 atoi, 36 blk, 200 hits, 16 tks, 2 gv

Kapanen: 22 years old, 22nd overall, 61gp, 10g, 6a, 12:05 atoi, 13 blk, 78 hits, 22 tks, 11 gv

Everyone on this site looking through blue and white spectacles. And I’ll admit, I’m one of the worst (look at my username after all) .

These players look very comparable imo. Yet one is consistently called a bust, and the other is considered a success.

Lawson Crouse plays 3rd line on one of the worst teams in the league. He is almost exactly a full year younger than Kapanen, yet has more games played. Both have been healthy scratches in the past, and both have had injuries set them back somewhat.

If Kapanen was on any other team, everyone would be calling him a bust. I still think it’s too early to call Crouse a bust. He may still turn out to be a top six forward if given the chance.

If Nylander re-signs, Kapanen is likely dropped back to third line. As our LW is weaker than our RW, this may be something to consider. We then leave Brown on third line with Kadri in the middle.

Crouse/ Kadri/ Brown could make for a good shut down line with offensive capability.

16 Oct 2018 05:26:33
I agree it's too early to call either a bust.

16 Oct 2018 07:19:08
LeafsGM please don’t go grouping all leaf fans together. You’ve been on this site for a few weeks and think you have everyone figured out. Take a step back and read what people post or reply before judging everyone. There are people of every fan base that are bias and there are fans that are level headed. So take your English major and “knowledge is power” crap down a notch. We’re all so lucky to have someone of superior intelligence on this site.

16 Oct 2018 12:37:50
Kap is better. Speed and skill>>>> big with minimal skill.

16 Oct 2018 12:47:55
It’s just player preference. I don’t mind bigger physical players, however Babcock game is speed and transition. So a guy like kapanen can play a top 6 role on the team as where I would see Crouse a lot lower in our lineup.

With the hype around Crouse in his draft year (was a top 5 prospect for a bit), I assume people just had higher expectations for him than they did for kappy and therefore it’s easier to call him a bust sooner, fair or not.

15 Oct 2018 21:25:44
Toronto Trades
WNylander
Hyman
Gardiner
4th Round Pick 2019

Winnipeg Trades
Ehlers
Myers

Thoughts ?

15 Oct 2018 21:37:18
No from WPG. Ever heard the phrase ‘if it ain’t broke don’t fix it? ’ I’d take Ehlers over Nylander and Myers over Gardiner any day, and Hyman and a 4th aren’t enough to change my mind.

15 Oct 2018 23:40:32
Yeah, I'd rather keep Ehlers considering how much Nylander is supposedly asking for. Hyman isn't needed or wanted at all and Gardiner and Myers are a wash. So, no thanks.

15 Oct 2018 23:52:47
The Jets don't need another fight to sign a kid like Nylander that wants more than he is worth, as they are still doing that battle with Trouba's agent. Gardner will be in the same boat at the end of next season as well. Ehlers is locked up for 6 more years at a great contract while Myers will most likely sign between $5 and $6 mil per. In the cap NHL the Jets wouldn't do this trade.

16 Oct 2018 00:03:41
Uhhh, i'm not so sure bout this. i'd rather just hold onto torontos pieces imo. Ehlers basically = Nylander, but contract situation makes Ehlers more ideal. Imo, befor Marcus or anyone jumps in, i'd say Gardiner and Myers are a wash, a little bias WPGs way, a little bias TORs way, but they're close.

If I’m Winnipeg, i don't want to trade a solid contract in Ehlers for one that could be demanding more in Nylander. The gamble may not be worth it.

If I’m Toronto, i don't do this cause i'd rather try and sign Nylander reasonably, and keep Hyman, because if Nylander does in fact sign reasonbly, then Hyman >>> nothing.

16 Oct 2018 21:03:02
Boy, Hyman is seriously underated.

15 Oct 2018 04:45:19
So, here’s my thoughts: we offer Nylander a front loaded contract: years 1-4@$10M, followed by years 5-8@$4M. AAV = $7M.

Why Nylander does this:

He gets long term deal close to what he wants. The front loaded contract acts as NTC, as nobody is going to want to pay Nylander $10M unless he really steps up his game and starts hitting 25+ goals and 80+ points a year consistently (in which case, we get our money’s worth and won’t trade him anyway) .

Why Leafs do this:

They get Nylander at a price close to what they want. And at the same time, leave open the possibility of trading him the second half of his contract should they ever desire to do so for whatever reason.

It’s a hard negotiation. And if what Jodes says below is true, that Leafs are wanting to bridge Nylander at 4x$5M, then Nylander may as well start packing his bags now. Because they are way too far apart to reach agreement.

It’s just one possibility that I haven’t heard anyone else discuss yet. I mean, somethings got to give here. If you think $7M AAV is too high, just lower years 1-4 to $9M and AAV is $6.5, which seems pretty reasonable to most people on this site.

15 Oct 2018 05:45:19
The CBA has rules on the maximum salary variability on a contract which I believe is 35% up or down. So, if you have him $10M in years 1-4, the remaining years need to be at least $6.5M.

15 Oct 2018 05:58:14
Marcus is right. You would have to slowly decrease it. Like $10mill, $9mill, $8mill etc. Year to year can’t be more than 35% gap.

15 Oct 2018 06:27:47
At this point, I really think you'll be looking at a bridge contract for Nylander. Which should work out better for you at least in the short term. He's not going to sit out a year and it doesn't appear they will trade him, so bridge is the only option left. Unless one side or the other caves on their expectations for a long term deal.

15 Oct 2018 06:28:53
But I think it will be a two year bridge, not longer.

15 Oct 2018 06:41:26
@memarcusjoe and UnbiasedJim

Very interesting. I’m glad I floated this proposal here. I just learned something new about cba again. Jim, you especially seem to be well read in the subject.

So the idea could still work, but the payout each year would have to be slightly changed is all.

Thanks joe and Jim. I really appreciate the response. As I’ve said before numerous time, knowledge is power.

15 Oct 2018 16:10:09
Dont think willy will do a bridge deal or iw would be done by now. Its going to come down to trading him. So do it now and get that money helping our blue line.

15 Oct 2018 19:04:27
Nylanders not going to waste a whole season. And even if he does, we own his rights till he’s 27. Ride it out. Hold strong at long term for $6.5 mill range. The longer this goes, the better it is for the leafs as his cap hit is being weighted more and more to this season than years 2-7 by the day. Best case is sign him November 30th. If we do that and it’s for 7x$6.5mill, his cap hit is almost $9.1 mill this season and it’s $6.2 for the next 6 seasons. That’s ideal for us.

15 Oct 2018 00:11:09
Leafs- nylander
Vegas- Theodore

Leafs get a top 4 two way d man that's young and on a good contract. Vegas gets a young goal scorer that they can afford and need with the loss of Neal this off season.

15 Oct 2018 05:11:22
That would leave too big a hole on Vegas D.
There top two lines are alright with the two new additions of Pacioretty and Stastny.
First line stays in tact from last year Marchessault - Karlsson - Smith
And Pacioretty - Stastny - Haula or Tuch or Nosek.
Ya it would be pretty sweet to stick Nylander on that second line with Pacioretty and Stastny. But I think
Theodore is just too big a lose to that D. got to target someone else who can afford to lose a D man like that for Nylander.

14 Oct 2018 23:41:23
Toronto: Nylander

Oilers: nurse , 2020 1st

15 Oct 2018 11:23:52
so you want nurse AND a potentially top 5 pick in 2020 for nurse?

15 Oct 2018 13:11:22
Well I think he’s an Oiler fan. So he wants Nylander for Nurse and a 1st.

15 Oct 2018 14:11:31
Yup easy no from oilers we need nurse lol and that first.

16 Oct 2018 10:26:04
I meant to see potentially top 5 and nurse for nylander. oops was tired. yeah no.

16 Oct 2018 10:27:42
Why would edmonton give up a potentially top 5 pick and nurse for Nylander?

14 Oct 2018 23:14:17
Time to stir things up. Something original and outside the box.

Leafs sign Nylander 8x$7.5
Leafs sign Gardiner 5x$6.5

Leafs trade Marner, picks/ prospects
Buffalo trades Dahlin

Leafs trade Rielly
St. Louis trades Parayko

Marleau/ Matthews/ Kapanen
Hyman/ Tavares/ Nylander
Lindholm/ Kadri/ Brown
Johnsson/ Gauthier/ (Leivo)

Dahlin/ Parayko
Gardiner/ Zaitsev
Dermott/ Hainsey
*Ozhiganov
(Sandin/ Liljegren)
(Rasanen)

15 Oct 2018 00:02:55
Unless the picks and prospects going to buffalo are Liljegren Sandin and marner to don’t think buffalo considers this. they need defence more than another small skilled forward.

15 Oct 2018 00:39:58
So easy no from Buffalo.
As for St. Louis trade, interesting because of the weaker left side they have on D and Rielly + Petro could be a nice pairing but I’m going to say no from St. Louis due to command of what Parayko brings.

15 Oct 2018 01:24:38
Id rather keep Rielly, and Buffalo would never do that, they need d more than offense.

15 Oct 2018 01:53:13
Dont like any of it. Especially Gardiner for 5 more years.

15 Oct 2018 04:59:04
I figured one of the prospects would have to be Sandin. Yes. Just was hoping to keep him so when we trade Gardiner in a few years, Sandin would be 3LHD. No way I would be giving them Liljegren too. A 1st maybe and that would be max.

Marner would look good in Buffalo playing with the young guns they got over there. A core of Eichel, Reinhardt, Marner, Middlestadt, Nylander, and Skinner is very attractive.

15 Oct 2018 05:13:24
Yes but having Eichel, Reinhart, Middlestadt, Nylander, Skinner and Dahlin is even more attractive.
Such an easy no from Buffalo, a no, while laughing at Dubas on the phone. But Dubas would never even ask such a trade anyways he's smarter than that.

15 Oct 2018 07:25:38
@yupp

Drinking again tonight are we? You’re troll game is strong here. Marner for a prospect, no matter how good is a high risk/ high reward trade that Leafs would never make. And that’s why Dubas would never make the call to begin with.

Marner as setup man for Tavares or Matthews could be hitting 80-90 points this year. A long shot to compete for Art Ross Trophy, it still wouldn’t be inconceivable in a few years, as Marner will be a perennial top 10 producer in the league.

Not sure why Buffalo wouldn’t want a player on the team that could set up Eichel or Reinhart for 40+ goals a year like he is doing for Tavares right now in Toronto. Marner would be the best player on the team. Reinhart and Eichel are underperformers and need an elite winger to reach the next level.

15 Oct 2018 11:24:56
Think for Buffalo to consider getting rid of Dahlin you'd have to start with J. T. or Matthews and go from there. franchise player for franchise player?

15 Oct 2018 13:17:50
The only one drinking is the one who suggests Buffalo might trade Dahlin who they JUST drafted 1st overall and is a perfect fit for the team who was weak on D.

15 Oct 2018 14:13:20
Marner most definitely would not be the best player on buffalo also.

15 Oct 2018 19:53:08
@mcjesus, I’m on board with saying buffalo doesn’t make that trade lol they’re keeping Dahlin. But Marner/ Eichel could be a good debate. Eichel has had a cpl injuries, but when healthy has been great (.84 pts per game) . Marner has been healthier, played a season less, and had Stints on the 4th line (.85 pts per game) . Just read a stat today actually from the day he was promoted from the 4th line last season, including the 7 game series vs the bruins and the start of this year, in 53 games he has 28 goals and 42 assists for 70 pts. That’s a torrid pace. Obviously Eichel is that 1C that is going to garner more interest and gets a value advantage, but I don’t think putting them in a conversation together is that crazy.

16 Oct 2018 05:47:38
Are you all insane? Marner would easily be the best player on Buffalo. The Leafs would laugh at this and would never trade Marner or Matthews as they are untouchable as are Reilly and Tavares. As good as Eichel is he in my mind is still a gamble for me at 10 million a season over 8 years as he often gets injured and has not played a full season. As for Dahlin, I am not sold on this player as a franchise player. He may turn into a capable defender, only time will tell.

16 Oct 2018 14:04:47
@NylanderMagic. I’m soldnon Dahlin and he will be far more than a capable defender lol.

14 Oct 2018 22:08:47
To TOR:
Conor Timmins

To COL:
William Nylander

TOR gets a young, tall, right-handed defenseman who's reliable in his own zone and extremely skilled handling the puck and can chip in with offense. Timmins is currently injured however I firmly believe that once he recovers, he is ready to be an impact NHL defenseman.

COL on the other hand really bolsters their depth on RW behind Rantanen and adds a major scoring threat 5 on 5 as well as on the power play with the addition of Nylander. They also have a good amount of cap space to sign him for this year and the future, especially with expensive contracts like Colin Wilson's coming off the books at the end of this season.

Also, COL has Makar in the system already and so, losing Timmins in such a trade will not hurt them as much as it will benefit them in the short and long run.

Oh and Timmins used to play for the Sault St. Marie Greyhounds so the Dubas connection is also there.

Thoughts?

15 Oct 2018 00:06:50
I posted this a couple weeks ago, I personally would do it based on needs of both teams, but I do think that Colorado should add a bit based on the fact that nylander is currently a proven top 6 forward and will get better and Timmins hasn’t proven anything at the nhl level. I like it tho, pull the trigger!

15 Oct 2018 00:40:55
No from leafs.

15 Oct 2018 04:02:54
Maybe I’m greedy, but I would try and get Avs to throw in a pick as well.

Timmins is a very highly rated prospect, and depending on the analyst, is even more highly rated than Makar. A real steal for Avs where they drafted him, he would look good beside Rielly, and along with Liljegren, would cement Leafs RHD for years. Some on this site may say Nylander holds more value, but don’t you listen to them. Timmins holds more value to us because he fills a glaring need, and would alleviate cap situation for a few more years.

14 Oct 2018 18:19:04
Toronto Trades: William Nylander (RW - RFA) + Josh Leivo (LW - 0.65 Million x 1 Year) + Calle Rosen (LD - 0.90 Million x 1 Year) + 2019 3rd Round Draft Selection.

Columbus Trades: Ryan Murray (LD - 2.90 Million x 1 Year) + Gabriel Carlsson (LD - 0.90 Million x 2 Years) + Josh Anderson (RW - 1.80 x 2 Years) .

Toronto gets some solid assets for Nylander. Murray hasn’t blossomed in Columbus, but could be a solid shutdown dman for the time being in Toronto. A change of scenery could be a benefit for him. Carlsson is a solid shutdown dman, he's the main piece in the trade: he could play with Liljegren on the Marlies, and they could become Torontos second pair for the future. Anderson is a guy who could be solid on Toronto: grit and size (with skill) is much needed in our bottom six.

Columbus gets the big prize in William Nylander who could blossom into their 1C if they see Dubois as a better fit for 2C. If Nylander struggles at C, he could easily be a 60-70+ point winger. This move could also indicate to Panarin that they’re willing to compete now, maybe giving him more incentive to stay. If Panarin leaves, at least they’d have Nylander then. As for trading away two defensemen, it does hurt, but for a forward of that caliber, its okay to deplete the depth slightly. Leivo can be a temporary replacement for Anderson, and Rosen replaces Carlsson’s minutes on Cleveland.

Toronto Lineup:

Patrick Marleau - Auston Matthews - Kasperi Kapanen
Zach Hyman - John Tavares - Mitch Marner
Par Lindholm - Nazem Kadri - Josh Anderson
Andreas Johnsson - Tyler Ennis - Connor Brown
*Frederik Gauthier

Morgan Rielly - Travis Dermott
Ryan Murray - Nikita Zaitsev
Jake Gardiner - Ron Hainsey
*Justin Holl, Igor Ozhiganov

Columbus Lineup:

Artemi Panarin - Pierre-Luc Dubois - Cam Atkinson
Nick Foligno - William Nylander - Oliver Bjorkstrand
Boone Jenner - Alexander Wennberg - Anthony Duclair
Sonny Milano - Riley Nash - Josh Leivo

Zach Werenski - Seth Jones
David Savard - Markus Nuttivara
Scott Harrington - Adam Clendening.

14 Oct 2018 22:46:20
Murray is looking more and more like a bust, and Carlsson has been demoted to AHL, taking a step back when hope was he made the team this year. I mean, let’s face it, Columbus’ defense isn’t that strong after their top line and they were really hoping these guys would work out for them. Anderson is a very good player and I love his size. Actually, I love the size of all these guys.

I think Columbus wins this trade. It’s nice dumping a couple fringe players to go along with Nylander. It’s a bit of a gamble here on Carlsson and Murray though.

15 Oct 2018 11:26:39
I'd take the gamble. yes it would hurt losing the top player in the trade, especially if murray and carlsson do not work out. but on the other side of the trade it could be like the rask trade or kessel trade years ago (with toronto being on the other side of the coin this time and winning the trade by a long haul) . either toronto can lose or win by a landslide doing this deal, . so it'd be high risk high reward potentially.

 
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