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13 Dec 2018 16:38:22
Senator: Duchene

Mtl:Gallagher, 2rd 2019, Fleury

Ottawa gets a controllable assets(Gallagher)a good pick and a prospect for a UFA. Mtl then signs Duchene to a 7.3 million deal for 8 years. Kinna like Pacioretty type deal with Vegas

13 Dec 2018 16:26:44
Toronto: Sandin, 1rd 2019, 2rd 2019, Brown

Aves: Makar

Even then Colorado might not even night they value Makar as a future #1 RHD and rightly so

13 Dec 2018 12:35:28
So apperently Freidman says Toronto didn't want to trade Nylander in a deal for Pietrangelo. Blues put him in with Nylander discussions but it was the Leafs who decided to keep Nylander. He notes maybe for two reasons, Nylander is 6 years younger and that Toronto might not be able to fit what Pieteangelos extension might be (he's eligible in July) and that Toronto would prefer someone with term on their deal still in that particular possible trade. Doesn't mean they won't reconsider him at some point.
The biggest take away from this is the fact that his name is out there and that the Blues would consider moving him.

Elliote Freemans words.

Colt, the Leafs wouldn't trade you Nylander straight up for Petro, Then they certainly wouldn't trade you Nylander, Liljigren, 1st for him. You have been proved wrong just a day after saying that's what it would take for Petro down a few posts. That's from Freidman. Not me.

13 Dec 2018 13:14:42
Ah sorry didn't mean to speculate a straight up deal was in talks. I take that part back. But blues would have included Petro in talks for Nylander and the Leafs decided not to go after it. Not sure if it was a straight up deal. But that does show you the Leafs valued Ny a little more and that packages couldn't be worked out to make it work.

13 Dec 2018 14:13:55
I was going to say that. Just because leafs said they wouldn’t include Nylander doesn’t mean Armstrong would have done it if they did. But point well made that cost certainty and youth is valued by leafs more than some people think. If it was with a 6 year extension at $7-7.5mill, I’d really want them to try to acquire him. If it’s with 1 year and then uncertainty or 7-8 years at $8.5+ mill (which with Carlson at $8 mill and OEL at $8.25 isn’t out of the question) then no thanks. Not possible without losing other really key pieces which would take us farther away from winning than closer.

Losing a high end forward for a top RHD makes sense given the team structure. But if it costs us Nylander to acquire Petro, and then Kadri or Kappy and Hyman have to go to re-sign him, I’d rather just use picks to patch up the D and go with the insane forward depth we have.

13 Dec 2018 15:53:55
Does friendman site his sources or is this more speculation on speculation on speculation. I am not saying this did or did not happen. I am saying that just because nylander isn't available doesn't mean that blues will take a lesser payday for Petro. While we are on the same sublject how do we know that Petro was shopped at all. For all we know there hasn't even been a conversation. Or maybe Dubas called army, army said no or told him his price.

The fact is we just don't know. Everything being reported is specualtion on speculation. Its like the exercise they had you do when you were in grade school where one kid makes something up tells the next kid who tells the next kid and by the time it gets to the last kid what was said in the begining and what came out at the end are completely different. There has been no sources, quoutes, no solid evidence any of this has taken place.

13 Dec 2018 16:45:23
Don't really need sources to figure out that proposing Petro for Nylander, a 1st and Liljegren is completely out of touch with reality.

13 Dec 2018 17:22:37
This is a trade rumour site. Speculation on speculation is what it’s founded on lol blues are struggling, coach is fired, they still struggle, reports say core players are available, they have good RHD, leafs fans are well represented on this site, leafs need RHD lol yes, we are all aware it’s speculative, but if all you want is confirmed trades on a site you read, then read team press releases.

99% of the players we discuss on here don’t get traded and 80% of players that the ‘experts’ speculate about don’t get traded. Who cares. You talk about all different players on here like we all do, but because it’s your team struggling and under the microscope, you’re taking issue. Crappy teams have rumours follow them. When it’s a crappy team that was expected to be really good, they get more rumours. That’s life.

13 Dec 2018 17:30:13
Friedman is the source. He doesn't just say things to hear his voice. He one of the most well know insiders in the sport. He doesn't just say things for the sake of it.

12 Dec 2018 15:45:23
Toronto Weber Shaw
Montreal Nylander.

12 Dec 2018 17:37:07
Lol I can guess by your name what most of you proposals will be.

12 Dec 2018 18:55:55
Better then Redwings proposal.

11 Dec 2018 22:03:52
Just a thought of some trade idea for Toronto
Trade #1
Toronto trades
Kadri,Johannson,1st in 2019 ziatsev and Lijigren
St.louis trades
Petrangelo, bouwmeester and bertuzzo

Or
Trade #2
Toronto trades
Johanson,Bracco and 1st in 2019
St.louis trades
Parayko and Bertuzzo

11 Dec 2018 22:16:28
Wow those are awesome done.

Lmfao you and pinball are the best.

11 Dec 2018 22:28:22
St. Louis gets killed in both trades.

11 Dec 2018 22:47:11
No thanks on bortuzzo. I get there’s been fights at team practices before during losing streaks when frustration boils over and there will be more in the future, but it’s usually a cpl shoves and some tussling etc. Any guy that would drop his gloves before a teammate and throw 4-5 haymakers, hitting him clean on the jaw with 2 of them, is an idiot. Could you imagine if he actually gave Sanford a concussion or broke his jaw or something because he’s not smart enough to control his emotions? Playing on the edge in a game and maybe crossing the line sometimes can be explained. That garbage can’t. It’s a shame Martin couldn’t keep up to play a regular shift on Babcocks team because he was tough as nails but knew the lines.

11 Dec 2018 22:56:17
Lol redwing or colt whatever your name is. The 1st offer is a stronger package for Pietrangelo than the offer you suggested for Seguin. No clue.

12 Dec 2018 01:09:39
Cherrydon, that's a joke of a proposal. Please explain how this addresses teams needs. Better yet I will break it down

Kadr-a center we d o not need
Johnson- a bottom 6 forward we do not need
Zaitsev- a 5-6 dmasn cap dump 5 byv4.5 that we do not not need.

Liljgren top four potential dma n (only good value)
1st round pick 31 overall not that great our second will be 32 34.

So no sheet trade.

12 Dec 2018 02:26:44
I think it's hilarious that you think that's a good package
You been playing nhl 95 lately.

12 Dec 2018 11:34:42
apperantly the blues need ro change nothing and everything in value coming in is useless despite the fact that the blues are on the downswing, don't have a first and sir #29 in the league.

12 Dec 2018 11:38:26
Did I say it was a good package? No, I said it was a stronger offer than you mentioned for Seguin. that was it.

12 Dec 2018 12:38:13
No that's not it at all but they shouldn't trade core pieces for a bunch of lesser crap.

Hey why doesn't Toronto trade marner for Steen, kyrou, 2nd 2019, Edmondson and sundqvuist.

Quantity doesn't equal quality. Maybe the blues problem is coaching and system.

12 Dec 2018 14:01:09
Still not making reference to my comment redwing. Your package for Seguin is a joke.

12 Dec 2018 14:15:49
Colt, you might be right, but they already fired the coach and it’s not better. That usually means a trade is coming and often times it’s someone of significance. Hawks fired Q and things haven’t got any better, worse if anything, and now you’re hearing core players in the rumours. That’s what happens.

12 Dec 2018 14:33:01
That doesn’t mean you have to trade them for crap, I agree. But the blues will be the ones looking for the shakeup, that often has you at a disadvantage. A lot of the offers I’ve seen on here, mostly by leaf fans, have been soft at best. But there have been a few that aren’t bad at all.

That first one is a lot, Kadri is a really good player on a team friendly deal, still only 27 or 28. Liljegren is a really good prospect, a 1st is a 1st, probably late but you never know, leafs could match up with Tampa first round and that pick can be a 20. Johnsson is a young player who has put up offense everywhere he’s gone and has elite speed, zaitsev is a capable Dman at a fair to slightly high cap hit (just too much term left to call it a good contract)

Coming back we have pietrangelo who is elite. Boewmeester who was good but is outdated and basically a salary dump And Bortuzzo who is a plug I wouldn’t want anyway. You might not want that, and that’s fine. But that’s not a terrible offer.

12 Dec 2018 14:36:57
yeah so trade an elite top 10 dman for sheet. Really. Explain how that makjes blues better it doesnt. Also Name 1 time and assistant coach took over and ran with a team. Made that team better. Sorry you don't trade your best players for table scraps. Come up with a legit trade scenario or don't post at all.

12 Dec 2018 15:10:50
Just like scraps for Seguin?

12 Dec 2018 15:17:30
I call Pietro an elite player, almost everyone would. Think back to the last 5-10 ‘elite’ or star players that were traded in the NHL and tell me if you think they ever got the return their fan base thought they would. Karlsson? Kessel? Hall? Seguin? All the way back to Thornton? If 3 months before those trades, those returns were proposed, fans would have laughed. As they did with the Karlsson one (see Rambo) . Only exception I see is subban for Weber where they traded single star players 1 for 1 which is about as rare a move as there is. When you give up the best player, it always seems underwhelming but how you handle the assets can make it a win.

12 Dec 2018 15:51:54
There is a difference between the petro situation and those suggested situations. Those players had soured on their teams and Vice versa. All those players wanted out of their situations. This isn't the case for petro. Hall was traded for what the GM though was a #1 d. The GMS who made those aweful trades have a history of being idiots and making bad trades. Doug Armstrong doesn't have that track record.

Blues will just resign Petro. If you want him Over pay if not we will resign him. I am glad you wasted your time making false comparisons. When petro gets a high return or when he is resigned I will come back to this.

12 Dec 2018 16:01:26
Lol okay. I think he’s worth a lot. I’m not denying that. He’s a great player. I would like him on the leafs. But that last part of what you said is almost a direct quote of Rambo’s a week before the Karlsson trade and then he went AWOL for a cpl months when he was supposed to be gloating about the great return. I’m not guaranteeing they will trade Pietro, and I’m not saying he gets a bad return. But if you think a top 6 player at $4.5 mill, good young forward on an ELC, a top D prospect, a 1st round pick and a 26 year old NHL Dman is a terrible return, you could be disappointed if he is traded.

And Armstrong doesn’t have a track record of terrible trades, you’re right. He also doesn’t have a track record of sitting on his hands and hoping for the best. He makes moves. We will see if a core player is moved or if he stays firm with them. We can wait and find out.

12 Dec 2018 17:44:41
Why would he trade his best, irreplaceable top pairing #1 Rhd dmen for things the blues do not need. Jim i get that you desire These guys and since the blues are not doing good you think the leafs are entitled to trade them to the leafs for what you want to give up. The fact is you have not addressed the blues team needs. Once again i will break this down.

-Petro- sheet trade offer

(1)Kadri 2c- Blues have ROR, Brayden Schenn, Tyler Bozak, Robert Thomas, Ivan Barbashev, Oscar sundqvuist. So We don't need Kadri on this team.

(2) A Johnnson- a 24 year old who is on pace for about 20g 20A on a great team. He is nothing special and defiantly not a game changer for this trade and he plays the left wing which is a staple on the blues.

(3)1st rnd 2019 (29-31 rnage) Super high first. isn't that crucial since we will have a top 3 pick and probably 32-34 pick already.

(4) Zaitsev- He is a Bad Bottom Pairing DMan who has virutally no points and signed for 5 years at 4.5 million. This is basically a really long cap dump. NO THANKS if we were to take him you would have to increase the value.

(5)Liljgren- top four potential, struggling a bit in AHL but the best piece in this trade offer not nearly enough.

You want petro think of the following or find another

Nylander Lijgren 1st

Kapp Liljgren Sandin 1st (small add on blues)


parayko sheet trade

This trade was even more hilarious. Stupidest offer ever. The fact you think there is value just shows how much a bias homer you are.

Lets break this down

(1)Johnson- Read what i wrote above. Nothing Special
(2)Bracco- This kid is a life time AHL player. Good luck offering that guy for a bag of pucks. LOL what a joke.
(3)1st 2019- doesn't have much value by itself. Especially since our 2nd pick will be like 1-3 positions after.

Then you have the nerve to add our tough mobile 3rhd man in like he is a throw in at his cap hit. LOL your a joke this thread is a joke.

12 Dec 2018 17:56:23
It’s always difficult for a fan to accept that one of his team’s star performers and favourite players has begun to degenerate in performance and deteriorate in value. Certainly anyone watching Duncan Keith’s performance the last couple years would have been shocked and disappointed with how rapid his play dropped from top of league to below average defenseman.

Even before the injury to his hand that has him on LTIR, Pietrangelo was dropping down the NHL performance rankings. Virtually every article I read about him stressed how disappointing he had been on a team full of disappointments. Even if he returns this year, I have a hard time seeing him dealt before deadline now. Which means that come off season, Pietrangelo will be in same position as Karlsson last year. To expect Pietrangelo to bring a higher return than Karlsson is wishful thinking at best.

As Jim alluded to, history tells us most trades involving impactful players of Pietrangelo’s capability are lopsided and rarely fetch the kind of return that can be viewed as either rational or acceptable. The team moving the player is at a disadvantage because their hand is being forced to act, and either they make a move or risk losing him for nothing. It’s a cutthroat business. That’s just the nature of the game.

12 Dec 2018 18:06:36
I didn’t Have the nerve to add anything lol I didn’t make the proposal, nor did I say they were great trades. I said the second one is bad but the 1st one isn’t all crap. I said most of the offers for petro have been really bad lol did yupper move to Missouri, or what?!

Like I said before, wait and see. We don’t have to keep going. If he gets traded we can find out. If not, that’s fine. We could use an upgrade on d, but it’s not necessary to get a star like petro. Just need a solid player. He would be a nice luxury.

12 Dec 2018 18:29:22
Colt the evader! The trade offers would not get Petro. I agree. But your offer of edmundson schwartz and a 1st is no where close for Seguin. The only point i was trying to make.

12 Dec 2018 19:00:53
I am just following the ideology that quantity of lesser pieces gets you quality players. that's the point i am making. its a bad offer not only was it quantity for quality it wasnt enough. Screeeew seguin. don't deflect from the stupidity of this prop.

12 Dec 2018 20:30:21
The only reference to the trade I made was that was that the package for Peteo is stronger than the one you made for Seguin. that's it that's all. Seguin is more valuable that Petro. Again. stunned.

12 Dec 2018 20:38:02
The original proposals are bad but Colt your rebuttals are just as bad or worse.

"You want petro think of the following or find another

Nylander Lijgren 1st"

Friedman said that he thinks the Leafs discussed trading for Petro but balked at the idea of trading him 1 for 1 for Nylander (mainly because he is six years younger with contract certainty vs. Petro who will be a free agent soon) .

I could see a small add made either way to balance it out but the fact you think the Leafs would add Liljegren and a 1st is completely unrealistic and homerism at its finest. That's entering Rambo territory of ignorance.

12 Dec 2018 23:20:01
Friedman really ok. They have no idea what the ask was it could have been marner or they called and Armstrong said no. They have no clue. I swear when you qouet a bad so called insider and speculate on his speculation it's hilarious. Proverbial blind leadongvthe blind.

13 Dec 2018 02:04:58
Yeah your sources are far more connected I guess

Nylander a 1st and Liljegren 😂.

13 Dec 2018 04:21:01
I didn't see have a source. I stated value.

13 Dec 2018 16:27:24
Hold up. let's not forget the last "eliete" player the blues traded away. What was your return on Shattenkirk Colt?

11 Dec 2018 13:15:50
Kings Trade
Doughty

Leafs Trade
Kadri
Zaitsev
Bracco (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2019

Leafs get there man on Defence getting Doughty.

Thoughts?

11 Dec 2018 13:47:50
Even if LA considered this (anything is possible at this point), the leafs can’t afford Doughty’s huge contract unless LA retained some money.

11 Dec 2018 14:28:52
If you want doughty expect marner to go the other way. I am sure zaitsev could go as well to help with cap. The notion you can ask for a defender of that caliber who has term for scraps is laughable.

11 Dec 2018 15:11:34
Marner>Taresanko And Paryanko as a package.

11 Dec 2018 15:20:08
Are we talking about the blues no. so VBBBVVBB do your self a favor stick on topic.


Also Marner is not more valuable than tank and parayko.

11 Dec 2018 15:51:40
somebody hit the reset button on vbb he’s glitching out again.

11 Dec 2018 16:03:10
I am glad one of the older posters sees this and is calling it out. Lol.

11 Dec 2018 17:22:35
Leafs can’t afford another guy making $11mln a year; the only way it would work is if LA retained a significant portion of the contract (which they wouldn’t because it’s for another 8 years or whatever) . And even if they did the price would be ridiculously exorbitant (and rightfully so) .

Think Nylander, 1st, Liljegren, Sandin, etc.

11 Dec 2018 19:09:41
Marner.

13 Dec 2018 16:21:11
Vbbvbb, if Marner is worth taresenko plus paryanko, then Duchene is worth McDavid plus Bouchard lol.

10 Dec 2018 22:08:52
Following the McDonagh precedent set by Tampa Bay, this happens at the deadline.
[McDonagh and Miller for Namestnikov, Howden, Hajek and a conditional 1st]

Toronto Trades: Carl Grundstrom [ELC] + Nikita Zaitsev [4.25 Million x 5 Years] + Timothy Liljegren [ELC] + 2019 1st Round Draft Pick + Conditional 2021 1st Round Draft Pick + 2020 2nd Round Draft Pick.
St. Louis Trades: Alex Pietrangelo [6.50 Million x 2 Years (50% Retention - 3.25 Million x 2 Years) ].

[Condition: Leafs must win cup in 2019, 2020 OR 2021, or Pietrangelo must be resigned for pick to be transacted, otherwise it becomes a 2021 3rd]

I’m willing to add Gardiner and Johnsson and subtract Grundstrom and Zaitsev at discretion, i just think the above is more fair.

- This is basically the McDonagh deal, except, instead of getting another player like JT Miller, we get the huge 50% retention. As STL is rebuilding, its definitely possible they have cap space, and if they need more, Toronto could easily take on a one year cap dump like Gunnarson.
- Liljegren is easily an upgrade on Hajek, Grundstrom a downgrade on Howden but is a relatively similar player. Plus, instead of one 1sts we send two, and the only reason one is conditional is because we need to insure success for ourselves too, lol.

Hopefully its not too lopsided. I tried to keep the McDonagh trade as the precedent, and added more since imo Petro > McD. But their contract situations are extremely similar as well.

Toronto Lineup:
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Johnsson - Matthews - Nylander
Marleau - Kadri - Kapanen
Ennis - Lindholm - Brown

Rielly - Pietrangelo
Gardiner - Hainsey
Dermott - Ozhiganov.

11 Dec 2018 00:42:01
I like using precedents as the basis for my proposals as well, and I think the McDonagh one is most relevant for a Pietrangelo deal.

Pietrangelo is on LTIR, and may require surgery for his hand. That could have him sidelined for quite a while. Obviously no deals would be made until he comes back and is playing at 100%, at which point deadline may have already passed. Then the Karlsson trade becomes the most relevant comparable.

Just one question: the conditional pick for Leafs winning cup in 2021 doesn’t make sense if Pietrangelo doesn’t re-sign (he won’t be on the team then) . If he re-signs, they get the pick anyway. So maybe just make it conditional on the extension?

Good job TSS. This trade has a lot of merit. Helps both teams achieve something. I expect if Petro gets moved, a package similar to this one would be the return for him. Blues might wait until next year to see if the team is competitive. Both Schenn and Pietro will be pending UFA’s then.

11 Dec 2018 01:03:37
any proposal with Timothy Liljegren in it makes me want to cringe a bit. i really don't see them giving up on him this soon. i really think he will be top 2 or top 4 in a few years with them and a core piece of their future. i mean if they really get desperate to make a move for top 2/ top 4 help NOW they may do it but giving up that big of a piece would be rough. i'd sooner get rid of Sandin over Liljegren.

11 Dec 2018 03:04:02
Trade is pretty damn well thought out, I just don't think the 50% retained works.

11 Dec 2018 03:49:37
Trade sucks. Grundstrom liljgren lmfao. Blues won't make tgis trade.

Nylander liljgren 1st zaitsev.

11 Dec 2018 04:45:51
I don’t think it’s awful, I just don’t see value in Zaitsev so taking him on and retaining I don’t think works, even if the rest of the package is comparable to what Tampa gave up for McDonagh (who was slightly less regarded, no retention, and had an injury of his own) . Overall I think it’s possible not sure if Blues have the cap or would pull the trigger on it though.

11 Dec 2018 11:27:01
Redwing, don't you realize the Blues are 29 in the league? And Petro at the desdline will barely have one year + one playoff run on his deal.

Nylander goes in a deal for Parayko, long term for long term.

Nylander doesn't go for Petro. Like Tampa and McD, maybe he resigns, but his main purpose is to just be a rental for two seasons.

And to the others: @kane, i kmow, it hurts me to trade timothy, cause he does have that monster potential, but i mean, if our bst chance to win the cup is now, i'd rather go all-in for a dman now.
@jbs maybe gardiner instead of z?

11 Dec 2018 13:36:48
@PKane, I don’t think this is ‘giving up on Liljegren so early’. When Arizona got frustrated with strome and perlinis progress and shipped out 2 high pick prospects for a weak to average return, that has an odour of ‘giving up on them’.

Having to include a good RHD prospect while acquiring a 28 year old top pair RHD doesn’t mean they’re giving up on him, just means it would be something you can expect the other team would need included to make the deal.

I get what you’re saying, it would be nice to see him through, but look at the leafs talent and age of their core. If we can sacrifice a good young player to make the team far better today, we would have to. We were an up and coming team the last cpl years and if you can add Tavares and Pietrangelo in one season and only lose zaitsev off the current roster, you do it. Our goaltending is really good, forwards rival anyone in the league if not set the bar, but what separates Tampa from us is the high end D with hedman and McDonough and then stralman and Serg. Pietrangelo, Rielly, Gardiner, dermott is not the same by any means, but it’s a hell of a lot closer.

11 Dec 2018 14:50:10
TSS honestly I don’t even think you need to add Gardiner, almost just either no retention or move Zaitsev in a different deal as a dump. Just not sure St. Louis can take the salary and not sure Zaitsev adds value to St. Louis. Package is good, Gardiner would be much too much to add imo.

11 Dec 2018 15:32:27
Unbiased Jim. I just see Liljigren being a huge piece of their future, i'd sooner part with Sandin over him.

11 Dec 2018 16:03:28
We kinda need Liljegren more than Sandin is true too. Especially if we are trading out Zaitsev. We still have Reilly and Dermott for left side. Right side one Pietrangelo is gone, we really have no one left with Zaitsev and Liljegren already gone, there would be no one left.

11 Dec 2018 18:25:21
@LeafsGM. I see what you’re saying, my point is that we have a window here where we are have a legit chance of wining a cup. I’m not saying completely forget about the future and worry only about today, but Petro could really be the difference we need. I’m willing to figure out other stuff later. I’m not worrying about who is going to replace the RHD man that we haven’t even acquired yet. If you have a chance to get a prime aged really good player in the position of most need on our roster, I’m doing it.

10 Dec 2018 18:39:43
To St.Louis:
Nylander, Liljgren, Marincin
To Leafs:
Kyrou, Parayko, Bouwmeester

Now that is a fair trade.
The salaries make it tricky though so St. Louis adds Bouwmeester as a cap dump and the leafs place him on waivers while sending back marincin as a cheap replacement for St. Louis

10 Dec 2018 19:06:56
In my opinion:
Parayko>Nylander
Kyrou>Liljegren
And then the other two aren’t as relevant to the deal. St Louis is in the midst of a change up/ start of a rebuild. There’s no need for them to trade young assets. Especially when the main piece coming back is a winger, since their best player is a winger already and that’s not the position you typically build around.

10 Dec 2018 19:33:29
you want fair value then here it is.

Parayko Kostin

Nylnader, Liljgren sandin.

10 Dec 2018 19:40:22
themostleaf33-- I thought we agreed that we were not going to bring up your stupid trade offers anymore because parayko, by consensus of the board and by mmost logical people, Cost more than your willing to pay. Do us all a favor find another dman to sell short and under pay for.

10 Dec 2018 20:49:08
Still don't get the high opinion on Parayko. Watched many a game he has played and he is what he is. A 30-40 point dman. Pretty good defensively but makes a few bone headed moves. He gets his high minutes because of an injury to there best dman and because the bottom pairing is weak. I see him as a good top 4 guy. Just my opinion though. I am not convinced Parayko is available, but should he be traded no way does he get what Colt suggests. Again this is just my opinion.

10 Dec 2018 21:12:42
Doncherry, I agree. If I’m St. Louis they believe he’s good enough to let pietrangelo go though, I’m on board! Lol I’ll take Petro over parayko anyday.

10 Dec 2018 22:42:30
Ok, I understand why you may undervalue Nylander, but not Liljgren.
However, the reason Nylander is worth so much is because of his potential, he will be more then just a 60 point player, and a future 30 goal scorer
Parayko has basically reached his potential by this point.

11 Dec 2018 00:15:57
Colt, to be honest what I see as fair is:

Parayko and Kostin for Nylander, Liljegren and 2nd.

Sandins too much buddy. Liljegren is better than Kostin as a prospect, and the 2nd adds sweetner. What your suggesting is Parayko for Nylander and Liljegren because Kostin and Sandin are equal imo (hell, imo, sandins outplaying kostin pretty far), so that's a no dice.

11 Dec 2018 02:35:37
Redwing what if you dropped Kostin and Sandin and added Bracco/ Joseph Woll and 2nd from the leafs side?

11 Dec 2018 03:51:28
Bravo suck. In all honesty any trade for petro or parayko will be over payment. You are gutting the blues defense.

11 Dec 2018 07:16:48
Thermo are we going to ignore the fact that you said Matthews was going to be out 4-5 months?

11 Dec 2018 13:53:37
Ya, I was just repeating a rumour I heard so whatever.

10 Dec 2018 00:48:12
Leafs- nylander, zaitsev and '19
2nd round pick
St. Louis- petreingelo and Carl Gunnarson

Leafs get a top rh dman they need. Petro has 2 years left on his deal and would be a great fit for the leafs as a good two way d man who is in his prime, brings leadership and is affordable for this year and next. They also take on gunnersons contract to evennout the salary but will be off the books after the season. St. Louis gets young top winger who can put the puck in the net and a dman to fill the void as their 2nd pair dman, if St. Louis is going to start a retool I think this could be a good return of young assets for petro as well as they get to keep Parayko who is young enough to fit their rebuild. I realize that Dubas told nylander he wouldn't be traded but with I don't see how with nylander a contract they can afford marner and Matthews, this gets them some extra cap space for next year

Who adds or is it close?

10 Dec 2018 01:29:25
Toronto would still need to add to compensate the Blues for taking Zaitsev's contract. Nylander + would be closer and the Leafs hang on to Zaitsev instead of adding extra to get rid of him.

10 Dec 2018 02:01:45
i'd do it, seems about even. maybe change the 2nd to a 1st.

10 Dec 2018 03:02:48
Nylander liljgren zaitsev 1st

Petro.

10 Dec 2018 09:41:26
Toronto adds and no.

10 Dec 2018 15:08:14
No chance leafs add Liljgren unless Kyrou or Thomas come back.

10 Dec 2018 00:46:00
Blues Trade
Parayko
Maroon
6th Round Pick 2019

Leafs Trade
Zaitsev
AJohnsson
Sandin (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2019
4th Round Pick 2019 (Blues Pick)

Blues looking to shake the Roster up some and a Deal like this long term helps them as this year is basically done for them.

Leafs get there Big RHanded shooting Defenceman plus Maroon gives them probably only this year as he is a UFA after this season a Big LWinger with grit to ride along side Matthews and Nylander, with Grundstrom and TMoore probably ready for full time being in the NHL next year AJohnsson can be put into the deal.

Thoughts ?

10 Dec 2018 02:58:08
Stupidly bad. On par for you pinball.

10 Dec 2018 09:43:58
Ya #redwing1 it's a bit much to give the Blues, I see your point.

10 Dec 2018 15:12:11
It's not bad pinball, could be better, but not bad.
I think St. Louis still sees themselves as a contender though so I would assume they would want Nylander for Parayko. However, if you remove Maroon or the leafs trade a second instead of the 4th, I feel the trade is balanced.
I really like this idea and if Dubas received this offer I think he would jump all over it.

10 Dec 2018 18:41:50
Dubas made a promise to WNylander that he won't be traded as long as he is GM of the Leafs, credibility is huge with Pro Sports and once Dubas said that he has to stick to it #themostleaf33 so I don't believe Nylander will be part of any trade, The Leafs are looking to add to what they have at the NHL level and The Blues are at a point of partly blowing it up and looking to the future, one of either Pietrangelo or Parayko is where I believe they start, don't think they trade both but one will go and with Pietrangelo's injury and Contract I think it's Parayko that is Traded.

10 Dec 2018 00:44:17
Blues Trade
Pietrangelo
Maroon

Leafs Trade
Zaitsev
AJohnsson
Sandin
1st Round Pick 2019

Blues looking to make some changes and heard Pietrangelo might be out there, so what would the Blues want ? a Young quick Forward (AJohnsson), a Top Prospect (Sandin) and 1st Rounder if I where to guess, Leafs would insist on Zaitsev being part of the Deal for Cap reasons plus wanting Maroon to replace AJohnsson this Season which I believe the Blues would agree on.

Thoughts ?

10 Dec 2018 01:05:46
Take out Petro and it’s closer.

10 Dec 2018 04:12:13
Leafs need to have a more proven forward than Johnsson in the deal pinball.

10 Dec 2018 09:42:48
Blues don't have the Cap for a proven Forward on the Leafs.
Who do you have in mind #Leafs17
Marner or Matthews?
I wouldn't trade either one of those 2 for anyone on the Blues.
Blues will be rebuilding not retooling.

08 Dec 2018 21:05:43
Toronto Trades
CBrown
Zaitsev
Sparks
Timashov (AHL)
4th Round Pick 2019 (Blues Pick)

Vancouver Trades
Virtanen
CTanev
ANilsson
Gagner (AHL)
6th Round Pick 2019

Looking at both Teams needs this Trade Proposal does this.

For Toronto they get a little more grit on the 4th Line getting Virtanen, CTanev gives them a Solid RHanded Shooting Defenceman, ANilsson as a Vet Backup to FAndersen is more trusting if FAndersen gets hurt and Gagner loaned to the Marlies from the Canucks gives them that recall Depth should any of the Leafs Top 9 Forwards gets injured.

For Vancouver CBrown is a more consistent up and Down RWinger that gives the Canucks more stability in the Bottom 6 at Forward, Zaitsev is the weakest link in this Trade but still a 4th Defenceman on Vancouver, Sparks is a Younger Goaltender that is a positive over ANilsson, Gagner's buried Contract is moved and getting Timashov gives them another Prospect for the future, exchanging a 6th Rounder for a 4th Rounder is again a positive for Vancouver.

Thoughts ?

09 Dec 2018 14:32:01
I like the idea of adding virtanen and tanev but I don't think Canucks do this.

09 Dec 2018 20:52:27
vancouver gets nothing of value in this trade, big no.

08 Dec 2018 21:03:02
Vegas Trades
Reaves
OLindberg

Leafs Trade
CBrown
FGauthier

Reaves will give the Leafs that added grit on RWing, OLindberg can be depth for Ennis, and PLindholm.

Vegas gets a bit younger and CBrown gives them a better scoring RWinger.

Thoughts ?

09 Dec 2018 18:36:13
Not sure why you want Reaves. He will be coming home very shortly.

08 Dec 2018 10:17:30
Toronto Maple Leafs:

•) William Nylander

•) Rasmus Sandin

•) 6th Round Pick 2020


Carolina Hurricanes:

•) Jaccob Slavin

•) 6th Round Pick 2019.

08 Dec 2018 12:19:51
Nylander holding out was a win to Leafs fans, I don't think they want to trade him so soon.
Also, Nylander has said that Dubas told him as long as he is the GM, he's not being traded. Nylander also said he didn't want a bridge deal because he wanted to be there long term. Babcock also said that he thinks Nylander will retire a Leaf.
None of that is my words or opinion, just actual quotes from other people.
Nylander is locked up and everyone is happy, so I don't think they will trade him according to what they have all said.

08 Dec 2018 12:46:43
I didn’t think it would work until I saw the 6th round picks being exchanged, that totally sealed it.

08 Dec 2018 16:23:38
How much do we really need Slavin anyway? Sure, he’s a great player, but Leafs have one of the best GA in the league. We have a couple outstanding young prospects in Sandin and Liljegren. I don’t see the benefit in trading away our 1RW for a guy that would only marginally improve our defense.

08 Dec 2018 16:50:12
LeafsGM, yes the Leafs aren't as bad as some think defensively, but there numbers are disguised by the play of Andersen in net. I would put there defense mid pack in the league. Slavin would most definetely improve the unit as a whole by alot. If he could shift over to the right side (not sure if he could or not), then I would trade for him in a heartbeat.

08 Dec 2018 17:50:38
If Slavin could slide over to right side, would be an interesting idea. There’s a lot to like about Slavin, especially his contract. Having him on the team would give us at least three defenders in top 50.

Andersen is playing fantastic. Think he has a shot at the Vezina? Would be nice if Leafs take home some hardware this year?

08 Dec 2018 17:50:50
LeafsGM and doncherry both make good points. The D is better than a lot gave them credit for, but could still obviously be improved. However at this point I’d be much more willing to fill in around what we have using guys from the Marlies and draft picks for short term help than subtract good to great players from our current roster.

If we can get another middle of the pack solid Dman to help with the run and keep this forward group together, I’d rather. Liljegren is progressing and Sandin looks like he’s going to be a good NHLer rather quickly. Insanely high hockey IQ and very mobile. Already exceeding expectations by playing big minutes in the AHL when original thought was return to the OHL or Sweden. How bad would it look trading Nylander and him for a Dman and then have a log jam back there in a year?

I was good with trading Nylander for a Dman if someone else was willing to give him $8mill or whatever lol but at less than $7 mill, keep him, pay the big bonuses, try to win with him and revisit it ina cpl years to address needs or free up space. He will be worth far more with 4 years term left at $4-5 mill salary per year.

08 Dec 2018 21:02:25
Good one Mike.

08 Dec 2018 21:55:11
William Nylander "Kyle has old me multiple times that as long as he's here he's not going to trade me"

Babcock on Nylander "We think Willie is going to be a career Leaf"

Looks like they plan to hold onto him.

09 Dec 2018 07:04:41
And Leafs also say no because you just can't treads anyone with insane hockey IQ who is also very mobile.

You won't be able to trade Nylander in a few years now apperently unless Dubas and Babcock are gone. You own that contract for the meantime. Some fans say Nylander is the 7th best player now making more than some teams best players and Marchand, Bergeron, Pasta, McKinnon, Hall, Monahan, Gaudreu.
Kinda crazy when Tavares makes more and Mathews and Marner are yet to come.

09 Dec 2018 14:44:02
Listen to Kyle Dubas’ explanation of what Nylander says. It will change your mind. Or just don’t let facts get in the way of a narrative again, whichever way you want to go with it.

09 Dec 2018 15:09:36
“The discussion that William and I had had a couple of times was a fear of his … that he was being signed to be traded, ” Dubas told Bob McCown and Stephen Brunt on Prime Time Sports. “And my discussion with him, I just affirmed with him that that was not our intention whatsoever.

“Our intention was that as long as I was here that I saw him as a part of the Toronto Maple Leafs”

PK Subban was told habs had ‘no intentions’ of trading him. Jeff Carter was told the same thing in Philly weeks before his 11 year contract with a NTC kicked in and he was sent to CBJ, cross sports over and Demar Derozen was told the same thing. However intentions change when situations change or opportunity arises. When the cap gets tight or a better piece can be added that you didn’t think would be available, you do what’s best for the team.

Use common sense. I can come up with more examples if you just want to be a dick still. Or for once, you can take it as anyone else would and feel like you learned something.

09 Dec 2018 17:36:20
From what I remember bergevin said no he wasn't trading subban but wasn't it before the upcoming trade deadline? I know a week or so before the trade he said he wasn't shopping subban but he was listening to other GMs when they called. I see your point though it doesn't matter what's said during negotiation things change and opinions change if lthe leafs wanted to trade him tomorrow this wouldn't stop them. Just like if someone offered nylander 20 mil a year and he could get out of his current deal he'd change his mind too.

10 Dec 2018 00:04:12
Yupp will continue to bring this up in case one day the leafs trade Nylander. Then he can bash Dubas and Babcock. He likes to look for any negative to make himself feel better about his one man team. I wonder who the 7th best player in Edmonton would be? Kind of funny when you think about eh? Is there an update on Lesnar, we never got to hear the cool story?

10 Dec 2018 05:41:04
@habby, yes. That’s the point i was making. Things change and words are chosen carefully. “I have no intentions of trading you” is an extremely momentary term. “I had no intentions of trading you until a legit top pair RHD like Alex Pietrangelo is apparently on the market” lol.

07 Dec 2018 20:00:54
Blues Trade
Parayko

Leafs Trade
Zaitsev
JD Greenway (USHL)
1st Round Pick 2019
4th Round Pick 2019 (Blues Pick)

I still believe Parayko is the Leafs main target, Parayko is a good solid DMan that I would compare to Myers in Winnipeg with Parayko being more tougher but similar Players, Parayko isn't an AllStar Defenceman so please people don't make Parayko out to be more than he truly is and saying it's not even close value wise.

Have a look at the Blues Team they have to do something to build more for the future, Zaitsev is a number 4 Defenceman on the Blues so he isn't a Depth Player and still in his prime years, JD Greenways stock has risen and is a true Prospect, add the 1st and 4th Round Picks and this is a pretty fair Trade Proposal, Cap Wise Parayko makes 1mill more than Zaitsev so Salary really isn't an issue.

Thoughts?

07 Dec 2018 20:48:22
this is trash, greenways stock hasn't rise for nothing, that 1st is 26-31, Zaitsev is a huge downgrade from Parayko.

Stop this.

07 Dec 2018 23:12:20
Not even close value wise. Zaitsev is a 6/ 7 defenseman with a terrible contract to boot. Pretty much a cap dump. The rest of the package is garbage.

Nylander + Liljegren or Sandin would be closer to being fair.

07 Dec 2018 23:44:46
Not a very good trade for the Blues.

08 Dec 2018 02:01:21
NYlander and Liljegren/ Sandin? Even Colt suggested Nylander and Lil for Parayko AND Kostin. Lol Marcus.

And Zaits is a number 4/ 5,not a 7, lol.

08 Dec 2018 19:30:19
Slappers, to you he might be a #4, but all his advanced stats put him as a 5/ 6 at best. I think I'll put more weight on that evaluation than yours. If he really was a #4, Leafs fans wouldn't be trying so hard to dump him off.

08 Dec 2018 19:40:04
@topshelf, Marcus thinks zaitsev is a # 7 because he said Gardiner is a #6. So adjust for reality and Gardiner is a good 3 and a great 4. Zaitsev is a decent 4 or a really good 5.

08 Dec 2018 20:37:31
Marcus, people are trying to dump him because unless your d is stacked, 4D don't make 4 million. that's why. Zaitsy is still capable, his contract is just bloated for his role.

08 Dec 2018 22:08:07
Okay guys. I know things like actual stats and reality don't have anything to do with Leafs players. Zaitsev is bottom pairing at best. Gardiner is middle pairing, but if Jim says he is bottom pairing as well, I can live with that.

08 Dec 2018 22:52:17
But if you guys can point me to any stats that show Zaitsev as a 4D, I'd take a look at them. Anything I can find shows him as a bottom pairing guy if you give him the benefit of the doubt.

07 Dec 2018 19:48:22
Chicago Trades
Seabrook

Toronto Trades
Zaitsev
Timashov (AHL)
4th Round Pick 2019

Before anyone brings up Cap the difference is 2,375.000 between Seabrook and Zaitsev so not a huge difference between the 2.

Hawks are truly in a rebuild and this is how you start that process.

Seabrook will address a huge need on Defence for the Leafs.

Thoughts?

07 Dec 2018 20:14:00
This was a no before I even read who the leafs were giving up. I really like seabrook and have a ton of respect for the way he played the game, but the game is passing him by right now. Speed kills and he just doesn’t have it. Add that contract in and no way would I want him coming to Toronto.

07 Dec 2018 20:48:59
So basically, Seabrook is worth a 1st more than Parayko

pinny, what goes through your mind buddy.

07 Dec 2018 23:21:29
Wow. For Chicago this might work. They would be replacing one boat anchor contract with a smaller boat anchor contract. For once something not totally slanted in the Leafs favour. Not sure why Toronto would want to do it though.

Are you not feeling well Pinball? You're off your game a bit on this one.

06 Dec 2018 16:30:13
Toronto Maple Leafs:

•) William Nylander

•) 4th Round Pick 2020


Carolina Hurricanes:

•) Jaccob Slavin.

06 Dec 2018 17:40:31
It would need to be Nylander and Liljegren or Sandin to get you into the game. Top pairing defenseman aren't cheap.

06 Dec 2018 17:40:52
They won’t teade Nylander yet and also Carolina won’t want to have to pay him all this up front money he’s owed.

06 Dec 2018 14:15:31
Blues Trade
Parayko
6th Round Pick 2019

Leafs Trade
Zaitsev
Engvall (AHL)
Sandin (AHL)
4th Round Pick 2019 (Blues Pick)
1st Round Pick 2020

Blues 4th Rounder was Traded to the Leafs for Soshnikov last Season.

Parayko is exactly what the Leafs are looking for and this type of package if it's true St.Louis is shopping him they would be looking at, it's not just quantity but also quality what the Leafs would offer in this Trade Proposal.

Thoughts?

06 Dec 2018 14:56:38
Once again he is not being traded for that pile of poo.

06 Dec 2018 14:58:57
The only real quality i see is Sandin. the first is going to be a late first and not even in this deep draft year, but next year. And Zaitsev isn't worth the contract he is signed to. I think the blues can do better than this.

06 Dec 2018 15:53:56
Ok #Thunder Turkey let's change the 4th Round Pick to this year's 1st Round Pick but I am also changing Sandin for Borgman so it would now be.

Blues Trade
Parayko
6th Round Pick 2019

Leafs Trade
Zaitsev
Engvall (AHL)
Borgman (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2019
1st Round Pick 2020

Is that enough now?

06 Dec 2018 16:43:56
And this helps St. Louis how? Like you expect them to trade their young top pairing defenseman for your overpaid bottom pairing defenseman and some late firsts?

06 Dec 2018 17:04:11
Leafs gm please be a homer and try to justify this trade. I will be waiting your response.

06 Dec 2018 17:06:39
Typical Pinball trade. One decent Leaf and some Leaf garbage for a quality player from anther team. All based on his NHL19 trades I'm sure, because they are never close to being realistic.

06 Dec 2018 18:59:55
@redwing

It’s simple. Pinball posted a proposal because he enjoys researching the players and teams and wanted to give the members of this site something to discuss. That’s at least four more proposals in the last 24 hours he’s floated than you have in over six months.

As for the trade, I imagine Pinball had a couple precedents like the Hamilton, McDonagh, and Hamonic trades in mind. All very similar players with a similar return to what Pinball is offering here.

So how do you justify being a troll never floating any proposals to try and help the administrator out and keep the site active?

06 Dec 2018 21:10:20
What does posting 5-10 stupid ops in one day have to do with me. I am sorry i don't just make rubbish up and throw it on wall. These proposals are aweful and always favor the leafs.


I can just start creating horrible proposals all day long does that mean i love doing research too LOL. You my friend are a joke. if you weren't others would step up and defend you.

Lets end with this.

Blues are not good trade partners with TO. BEcause TO only (apparently) wants to trade scraps for studs. SO enjoys your homerism It looks good on you brah.

07 Dec 2018 00:50:44
See RedWing, actually you are the joke. I don’t need to go online and cut people up and call them names. It makes you feel good about yourself by trying to make other people feel bad. But you’re too chicken to post a serious proposal of your own because you are afraid of the inevitable criticism that would be coming your way. And judging from the comments I’ve read others make towards you already, you know this as well. Pinball isn’t afraid to post something daily despite knowing that children such as yourself will be looking to put him down. Not because his proposals are bad, but because it’s easy. Anyone can have a list of names and put downs handy and spout them off any time. See, the difference between you and me is that even though I don’t necessarily agree with every post I read on here, I still try to find something positive to say. Every trade has its positives and its negatives. It’s a sign of maturity when you can emphasize with others. Immature childish people look for reasons to cut people down. Let’s face it, calling NHL players pieces of poo just shows the level you will stoop to feel better about yourself. These guys are the best in the world. Even the worst NHL player deserves better than to be referred to as a piece of poo. But you are incapable of realizing that. Obviously a highly self conscious individual, it’s pretty apparent that you have low self esteem. I actually feel sad for you. But you’re right. Let’s end this. It’s very childish. Maybe
Once you start posting proposals of your own I can take you seriously again. I actually wouldn’t be jumping down your throat. I would treat you the same way I treat Pinball. With respect, looking for the merits of your proposal. Because I encourage you, and everyone else, to post. That’s what this forum is about. To discuss rumors and trades, and all things related to hockey.

07 Dec 2018 04:48:57
You shouldn't take me serious it cause I sure don't take your homerism seriously.

07 Dec 2018 10:57:36
Says one of the biggest homers.

07 Dec 2018 11:46:07
I just post proposals for the fun of it everyone.
Yes some are out there but at the sametime you never know what NHL GMs are thinking, maybe Parayko isn't fitting in, maybe the Blues really want to rebuild and Trading an asset like Parayko helps, by the way Parayko was a later Pick like many NHL Stars now and in the past so if anyone thinks a later Pick is garbage think again.
Plus I do remember THall for Larsson and RCourtnall for Kordic to name just 2 Trades that favoured 1 Team.

07 Dec 2018 16:37:53
Yes Taylor hall for larson, that would be the comparable to Mathews/ Marner for Parayko. Not 3-4 pieces for a guy who is top pairing and currently playing 28 mins a night. I get it that you are just trying to throw trades out there and you take a pounding from other fans. When I respond don't take it to heart. My intention is not to belittle you. I will Say that when i see trades that are really bad for blues I will say so. My biggest issue is Leafs GM think that these are legit and on top of that thinks that leafs poo and lesser pieces are worth other teams best players. Pony up value or value or don't make and offer. that's all.

06 Dec 2018 02:42:32
Leafs trade Zaitsev, Brown, 3rd
NYR trade Shattenkirk (retain $2M), Strome

Basically we are sitting the difference in salary. NY saves just over $1.15M and Leafs add about the same. All the benefits about Pinball’s trade still apply. Leafs give NY an upgrade on wing and the pick because they are taking on Zaitsev, whose contract is a lot longer than Shattenkirk’s.

06 Dec 2018 05:15:39
is brown really an upgrade? i like brown but idk why the rangers would do this, they're trying to rebuild and they'll be better by that time, doesn't make sense.

06 Dec 2018 05:46:42
Honestly, I wouldn’t do it. Call it homerism if you want. The difference between shattenkirk and zaitsev is real, but not very big. Then consider that shattenkirk is not defensive and I would say zaitsev is better for what we need, younger and signed cheaper. Shattenkirk, after leaving St. Louis, was exposed as what he is. A pp guy who is closer to a 6th Dman than a top pair at even strength. Even when Barry Trotz was asked about caps not resigning him after having him for the playoff run he said something along the lines of “I was under the impression we were adding a top pair Dman, that wasn’t the case”. I’m very satisfied having zaitsev at $4.5 mill to be a good solid #4 Dman. Now fill in around him dermott and Rielly. Don’t make lateral moves to bring in an older more expensive guy we don’t need.


Leaf fans are prepared to let Jake Gardiner walk after the season because he’s an offense first guy who takes risks and makes mistakes and they don’t want to pay him the $6.5Mill+ that he will command. So why give assets to get shattenkirk who makes $6.65 and does that same thing from the other side?!

06 Dec 2018 13:23:49
I don’t want anything to do with Shattenkirk. He’s not the d man the leafs need. Brown could be packaged with a 1st and a prospect to get a defense first d man.

06 Dec 2018 14:04:27
The only reason for making this trade would be to get out of Zaitsev’s contract earlier. I split the cost by having Rangers retain salary, so Shattenkirk and Zaitsev cost the same in this proposal. Is Shattenkirk better than Zaitsev? Questionable. But we get out from under Zaitsev’s contract in half the time if you are unsatisfied with him, while bringing in an equally qualified replacement. Shattenkirk plays 2RHD on Leafs. I feel more comfortable having him for call up to 1st line than Zaitsev if Hainsey gets hurt. A rebuilding Rangers team get a good young player in Brown, stability in the back end with Zaitsev’s contract, and a pick to help them rebuild. If Strome isn’t the guy they want to send our way, we can take someone else. I just threw Strome in to match salaries easier.

It’s a fairly neutral trade. The only reason for making this trade is to get out from under Zaitsev’s contract a little earlier. It’s not one I would entertain seriously normally, but felt there was some merit to Pinball’s proposal. He makes some very good points, and I took it upon myself to see if there was a way that a Zaitsev/ Shattenkirk trade could make sense. I enjoy floating proposals like this. It’s fun for one thing, and you learn a lot more about the players and teams in the process.

06 Dec 2018 21:01:05
I don’t really care about getting out of zaitsevs deal early. He’s a very capable player. Great skater, struggled last year with injuries and other personal things and looks a lot better this year. $4.5 mill is fine for a second pair guy and it’s going to be even more reasonable as top tier guys get $10+, these guys will be $6 mill guys soon enough.

06 Dec 2018 21:11:05
there is no reason to make this trade unless TOR is admitting That Zaitsev is a really bad defender.

05 Dec 2018 20:39:52
Rangers Trade
Shattenkirk

Leafs Trade
Zaitsev
Timashov (AHL)
4th Round Pick 2019

New York gets a little bit of Cap relief with this Trade plus add a Prospect and Pick for the future.
Toronto gets a Top 4 Defenceman that helps the second power play unit and more mobility on the backend which helps an offensive Team like the Leafs.

Thoughts ?

05 Dec 2018 21:07:05
yeah this is dumb. Leafs are trying to lose money from cap not add it. I am sure Leafs GM will 100% like this trade. Oh wait its bad for the leafs so he will not like it LOL.

05 Dec 2018 21:10:01
I think you should start looking for defensive minded players. The leafs don’t need help on the PP or to take on an extra $2 million or whatever it is.

05 Dec 2018 23:15:07
I feel bad for Shattenkirk. Much like Zaitsev, injury has set him back. He finished 14th in Norris voting three years straight, signed that fat contract, got hurt, and now NY can’t even give him away. It’s debateable who is the better defenseman here. What is undeniable though is that Leafs can’t afford Shattenkirk.

05 Dec 2018 23:21:39
Leafs gm is this a positive trade prop. Pinball explained it. Should becreally good for leafs.

06 Dec 2018 00:57:37
Even I can’t spin this into a good proposal.

06 Dec 2018 01:04:48
At least pinball has the balls to post something every day. Usually more often than that even. He gets discussion going and gives you something to talk about redwing. Maybe after you grow a pair and start posting your own proposals I can take you more seriously.

06 Dec 2018 02:32:58
Wow did you just try to call me out lol. Your kinda a joke.

06 Dec 2018 04:58:30
@ colt, you kinda called him out first lol.

06 Dec 2018 21:13:08
Apparently i need balls to post something every day. wouldn't it be hysterical if Leafs GM and Pinball were the same person. Its kinda of funny how he stands up for one of the most ridiculous posters here.

 
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