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26 Apr 2018 07:41:58
CGY: Dougie Hamilton + Sam Bennett
OTT: Cody Ceci
TOR: Connor Brown + Travis Dermott + Mitch Marner

CGY: Mitch Marner
TOR: Dougie Hamilton + Cody Ceci
OTT: Connor Brown + Travis Dermott + Sam Bennett

Defence Top 6 Toronto

Morgan Rielly - Dougie Hamilton
Jake Gardiner - Cody Ceci
Roman Polak - Nikita Zaitsev

26 Apr 2018 08:41:21
Lmao. W. T. F. ? Cici worth Brown, Dermott and Bennett?

25 Apr 2018 18:50:00
Arizona: Jason Demers, Laurent Dauphin

Toronto: Travis Dermott, Connor Brown, 2018 1st.

25 Apr 2018 19:06:22
No from Toronto lol this is worse then your other one : ( Demers was also UFA couple years ago and Toronto is overpaying here big time!

25 Apr 2018 19:17:33
Hell no from leafs lol not over valuing our own players but that’s 2 good young cost controlled roster player And a mid to late first for an over paid, underwhelming D and a middling prospect.

25 Apr 2018 19:38:45
I think your undervaluing Demers, he doesn't put up points but he is an outstanding Corsi player, his shot suppression and defensive stats are insane especially playing on a team like Arizona. He hasn't yet turned 30 and is in his prime. He would really help out the leafs defence for years to come and would allow Rielly to produce more offensively. Dermott and Brown are easily replaced by the leafs system and a late first is not a bad price to pay.

25 Apr 2018 19:47:36
Leafs tell you to get bent. Terrible.

25 Apr 2018 20:51:33
I wouldn’t make that trade for any one piece from Toronto, let alone all 3. Beyond garbage.

25 Apr 2018 21:08:15
‘I think your undervaluing Demers’

Nope. Demers got traded for Jamie McGinn. His value is hardly anything. Certainly not more than Dermott, lol. And brown? Lmao.

25 Apr 2018 22:03:49
There will be another Demers or two at ufa again this year. A decent Dman worth 3.5 mil that a team can throw 5.5 mill at like Florida did with him. Why set back the leafs by trading a 21 year old D and a 23-24 year old forward who are already contributing plus a 1st rounder for that. Makes zero sense.

25 Apr 2018 23:15:57
this trade would be a no from toronto without the 1st.

25 Apr 2018 23:24:03
I’d trade Rielly before Dermotte.

25 Apr 2018 23:25:59
@TopSheldSlappers JVR was traded for Luke Schenn, does that determine his value? No it does not your point is invalid, try again.

26 Apr 2018 00:28:48
Take out the first and Leafs easily say no still lol.

26 Apr 2018 05:46:44
This is a troll guys. And you all got sucked in.

25 Apr 2018 15:21:12
This off-season is the time the Leafs finally get the defence man they need. Ron Hainsey playing 25+ mins a night shows they aren't yet a contender.

Flames: Michael Stone
Leafs: Bracco, 2nd 2019, 3rd 2018.

25 Apr 2018 16:38:02
Lol if you think Stone is the dman leafs need then yikes. But ya go ahead and make that dumb trade 😂.

25 Apr 2018 16:38:42
But all honesty come on that’s a steep price for a guy who was a UFA recently was he not? And he’s like 3rd paring still on Calgary?

25 Apr 2018 17:04:40
I think leafs should be going for a different and better shutdown dman, they have the assets for it.

25 Apr 2018 18:13:45
i think thrasher has the right idea but the 3rd might be too much, change it too a 4th and we got a deal ;)

25 Apr 2018 18:14:20
I’m a flames fan but c’mon. I doubt stone could get the 3rd alone.

25 Apr 2018 19:31:33
I agreed with what was said about needing a legit Dman, and hainsey has done a great job but is clearly slotted higher than he should be at this point in his career, but Stone is not the difference between being a contender and not! Lol.

25 Apr 2018 23:27:21
I agreed with evrything you said until I saw Michael Stone is the defensemen you have in mind. he's not terrible but a number 5-6 Dman is not the solution for the Leaf nor the defensmen they need.

24 Apr 2018 10:58:20
Trying to rework the flames, let me know what you think is accurate:

Cgy: trades brodie
Ott: trades hoffman

Cgy:trades stone
Tor: trades johnsson + 3rd rounder

Cgy: trades lazar and a 3rd rounder
Ana: trades kase

Gaudreau monahan hoffman
Tkachuk backlund frolik
Bennett jankiwski ferland/mangiapan
Johnsson kase mangiapane/ferland

Giordano hamilton
Kulak hamonic
Valimaki andersson

24 Apr 2018 13:07:10
-I think Ottawa would want younger players back if they were to trade Hoffman.
-Toronto laughs at you, they aren't reading Andreas Johnsson for that. They have developed him for a while and really like him.
-Anaheim says no.

24 Apr 2018 13:07:22
Leafs will keep Johnson no interest in Stone.

24 Apr 2018 16:23:35
So easy no from every team not Calgary.

24 Apr 2018 20:43:29
I know he doesn’t have a big name but that is such an easy no from Anaheim. Look up his stats, he should get around 50+ points next season.

24 Apr 2018 12:04:28
I personally value Brodie a couple notches over Hoffman because of position and the fact that Brodie is consistly a solid defensemen who acumulates points while Hoffman is very good but when he dosnt have the puck dosnt bring much else to the play. If he played a grinding styke as well i'd say it was a good trade but for his production ( around 50 points a year) you don't get a defensemen who gets alnost that himself ( more like 40 points) and also play a great solid all around game.

23 Apr 2018 02:20:27
to Toronto
Tanev

to Vancouver
Brown
2nd
5th.

23 Apr 2018 05:49:38
Keep brown well just take a first.

22 Apr 2018 21:12:45
DRAFT DAY
to Dallas
JVR

to Toronto
4th

Toronto isn't going to resign JVR, and Dallas would be well served to sign him, as their wing depth is fairly putrid. Getting exclusive rights to him may be worth it, especially to get someone like that to play with Faksa or Spezza.

22 Apr 2018 21:33:24
Cant really see Toronto trading his rights and I can’t see Dallas being that interested in using a considerable amount of cap space on another forward, they should be looking at their defense and depth.

24 Apr 2018 00:02:00
Their wing depth really isn't very good.

21 Apr 2018 21:18:09
Toronto: Connor Brown and 3rd 2018

Calargry: Sam Bennet

Toronto: Gets a high potential replacement for bozak. With the fallout floor being similar to browns production.

Calargry: gives a stuggling player a change of scenery and gets back a young cost controlled player who would get more minutes in Calargry.

21 Apr 2018 21:27:45
I think if toronto trades it's for D.

21 Apr 2018 22:14:17
Calgary has enough Bottom 6 players.

21 Apr 2018 23:40:59
Not the worst, but Babcock loves browns game and they just locked him up on a cheap deal. Don’t think they trade brown for Bennett, but doubt even more they add a pick to do it.

22 Apr 2018 00:58:55
@Xcing

Your not upgrading from a bottom 6 forward to a top 6 forward if your omly trading away a bottom 6 forward.

22 Apr 2018 13:34:05
I know what people say but Bennett still has potential and I’d rather have him than Brown because of that potential and if Calgary were to trade him they’d be better off putting him in a package to get a higher end player than to get another sure fire career bottom 6 player. Calgary has way to many of those, we either need better players or players that could eventually move into the top 6.

22 Apr 2018 14:07:05
Brown would be first line on Calargry lol. He’s better then Ferland, Brouwer and Versteeg. He certainly has potential to be a top 6 player.

22 Apr 2018 15:42:35
Brown hasn’t shown that he’s more than a bottom 6 player. They can play him 1st line but he’ll never be a true first line player. Like I said better to package Bennett to get a real first liner.

22 Apr 2018 16:18:35
@Xcing

Well I don't know how you would expect Brown to show he's a top 6 player when the two RW ahead of him are Nylander and Marner. Besides, Toronto doesn't really have a top 6, they roll 3 strong lines pretty equally and their fourth is their fourth. Its also Browns 2nd year in the league and he scored 20 in his rookie season, then got bounced around all over the place this season and played substantial portion of the season on the 4th line because Babcock refused to demote or even sit Komarov, yet he still managed to score 14 goals. Too early to make a comment that he's not proven. He needs consistent linemates next year and then we should have a better idea of what he is and isn't.

22 Apr 2018 16:25:03
Similar players ones 21 and one is 24 that's the reason leafs would add and I think it would have to be more then a 3rd tbh.

23 Apr 2018 14:18:12
Brown and Bennett aren't close in value, Bennett is in the same boat as Jesse Puljarvi. Both really talented, drafted 4th overall but need more time to develop. Funny how people value Puljuravi like crazy comparing to Perry in his prime, but Bennett is a surefire bust and bottom 6 forward? At least he had 1 decent season so far with 36 points. Not sure what's in the water out west, but as a plumber I am intrigued.

23 Apr 2018 14:29:37
The difference between Bennett and Brown is a second at the very least.

20 Apr 2018 05:47:50
The kings haven't contended in awhile with there core and now it's probably time for a Rebuild.

LA: Doughty

Toronto: Nylander and 2020 1st * or Brown , Lindgren, 2018 1st And 2020 1st *

* Conditional If leafs resign Doughty

LA: gets a great package for a rental who will leave for free in the summer anyway

Toronto: gets the advantage of giving Doughty his 8th year and basically ensures he signs there.

LA: Carter

Stl: Kyrou and 1st 2018

LA: gets two A prospect to stack there pipeline

Stl: if they miss out on Tavares they desperately need a top line Center to contend.

LA: Toffoli

Dallas: Honka and 44th overall 2018

LA: gets rid of a struggling yet effective player who'd benefit from a change of scenery.

Dallas: Brings in a pretty consistent 25 goal scorer.

20 Apr 2018 14:19:50
So blues should trade the best ohl player this year and thier first for Jeff carter. 33 year old 2nd 3rd line center who missed 55 gsmes last year. That's a huge no.

20 Apr 2018 18:34:58
He’s an PPG player in the right situation he’s easily a 1st line C. What if saint Louis adds Steen and Thomas and replaces Carter with Kopitar.

20 Apr 2018 20:13:48
Thomas killing it in the ohl playoffs right now. Kyrou was best ohl player this year. I like kopitar but he will be 37 when his contract is over at 10 mil a year. Schenn performed the 1c just fine blues need a 2c but not at cost of kyrou or thomas. They are the future and cheap elc controlled contracts. Blues are better off going for Tavares or statsny. Thomas will be reday in a year or so.

20 Apr 2018 20:47:09
Overpayment on the first two but not enough for Toffoli IMO. Also does Dallas want to trade a young D with potential for a forward?

20 Apr 2018 20:57:11
Like I said if blues miss out on Tavares. Good luck going anywhere with Schenn/ stasney as a number 1c.

21 Apr 2018 00:50:16
I'm sorry but schenn has been the best center we have had in the last 5+ years. Thomas will be able to fill in top 6 very soon. Kyrou is the dynamic rw blues need besides tarasenko. SChen had 28 goals 70 pts +10. The blues dominated the league till injuries and allen crippled the team. Carter missed 57 games with injury and has never hit the 70 point mark he is 33 and when his contract ends he will be 37 38. No thanks. I do however think it's funny you suggest to trade us a center who is worse than the one the blues have for a bad contract and older player. No thanks. Good luck with kopitar, carter playing to 38.

17 Apr 2018 22:37:24
Christopher Tanev (4.450 Million) + Brandon Sutter (3.500 Million - 20% Retention) to the Toronto Maple Leafs in exchange for Andrew Nielsen (ELC) + Dmytro Timashov (ELC) + 2018 1st Round Pick.

Toronto picks up a dman who just had an injury riddled, down year. They take back a salary dump in Brandon Sutter who could be a decent 3rd line centre, ; and due to his salary addition, the value going to Vancouver should be lessened.

Vancouver picks up a First Round Pick, as well as two prospects for a dman who may be overtaken by guys like Hutton, Stetcher, Juolevi and possibly guys like Dahlin/ Boqvist/ Hughes should they target dmen.

Toronto Lineup:

Zach Hyman - Auston Matthews - William Nylander
Patrick Marleau - Nazem Kadri - Mitchell Marner
Andreas Johnsson - Brandon Sutter - Kasperi Kapanen
Joshua Leivo - Miro Aaltonen - Connor Brown

Chris Tanev - Morgan Rielly
Jake Gardiner - Travis Dermott
Ron Hainsey - Nikita Zaitsev

Frederik Andersen
Garrett Sparks

- Its probably a bit too little from Toronto, idk how to sweeten it. maybe add in Connor Brown for Timashov and remove Sutter? Idk.

18 Apr 2018 02:15:07
I like it Tanev would be a great fit.

18 Apr 2018 02:43:55
Brock is going to want Nylander, 1st for Tanev lol all star top
Pairing guy in his prime Tanev. Stud. Or is that Edler?

18 Apr 2018 09:58:16
Not enough value from Toronto to get anywhere near Tanev, plus Sutter in a good team is a 3rd liner or a really good 4th liner and at only 3.5 million he has enough value to fetch atleast 2 2nd round picks considering cap hit, contract length and age. So I’d say No bug time from Vancouver, maybe add Liljegren or Dermott.

18 Apr 2018 12:01:34
Sutter sucks @AO. he's been a 20-30 point guy. You’re saying he'd be a great fourth liner, that proves my point, at 3.5 million, he is an overpriced contract that is going to be added to a trade in order to lower the value that is going towards the Canucks. He can’t fetch 2 seconds, i don't know where you got that from (Shaw/ Eller maybe), but they were both traded before they were signed to bloated deals. Sutter already has one.

And as seen by multiple people, including non-Leaf fans like Yup, Liljegren for Tanev is an overpaymenr by the Leafs. I’d consider Dermott as the same as Liljegren, so that too would prob be an overpayment.

18 Apr 2018 12:30:26
You can keep Suter then lol.

18 apr 2018 16:17:35
brandon sutter has negative value at best.

18 Apr 2018 20:31:26
Looks about right. Ignoring the nonsense about Sutter being worth 2 2nds (he’s not) I think it’s reasonably close. If Tanev was not such a bandaid Vancouver would get more but he misses like 30% of the season every year. Leafs would probably be willing to add a 2nd or a meh prospect, especially considering how well he played with Rielly at the worlds. You can forget about adding Dermott or Liljegren though.

19 Apr 2018 00:01:30
Not bad value.

@AO99 - His great contract value makes him a great 4th line centre so leafs have to add a 19 year old top D prospect. Lol at 3.5mill?!?! Every team in the league has 4-5 players either on the team or in the AHL knocking on the door that could play 4th line for $800k-1.5mill. You’re nuts haha of you had h e quotes tanevs good contract (2 yearsx4.45mill) I could agree, that’s good terms for a top 4 D.

19 Apr 2018 04:00:48
Tanev sven Gagner retain 25 percent of Tanev contract 25 percent of gagner as well reason Canucks have a lot of cap maple won’t / add value / there lossing Bozak and Jvr there not as good but won’t cost them lot in cap
2018 1 2019 1.

19 Apr 2018 04:43:09
Actually not bad, good post.

19 Apr 2018 15:54:38
@Brock, leafs would have no interest in anyone you named there except Tanev. And you want 2 first round picks for them to take a handful of your misfits? Lol not a chance.

15 Apr 2018 15:20:06
Toronto: Connor Brown, Timothy Liljegren, Matt Martin, Nikita Ziatsev and 1st 2018

Montreal: Shea Weber*, Micheal Mccaron, Jordie Benn and 2nd 2019

* 1 million retaind on contract ( 6.8 million cap hit.

Toronto: the leafs desperately need a top 2 Elite dman and Weber is that. His skating may not be as good as it once was but paired with Morgan Rielly he would excel. He is excellent in both ends of the ice and he will be able to log top minutes ( 25 min ) for a few more seasons atleast. While his contract may be considered toxic as the cap rises it'll look better. Leafs also rid them selves of Martins contract.

Montreal: the Canadian are not a contender Weber will never win a cup in Montreal. The Canadians need to retool. They bring back a young top 6 player in Brown, An A level prospect, a Replacement for Weber and a 1st to contribute to their rebuild.

** Before Weber was injured he was on pace for 50 points while playing a great two way game.

15 Apr 2018 15:25:09
Pretty easy no from the Leafs.

15 Apr 2018 16:48:37
vbbb: if you're a Leafs fan, why would you sabotage your own team with such a garbage deal?

15 Apr 2018 16:30:00
Pretty easy no from the habs.

15 Apr 2018 17:05:32
Habby get a brain bud, Montreal accepts that so fast.

15 Apr 2018 17:26:53
Sabatoge our team? Weber would help the leafs out tremendously a top 10 dman in the nhl with no corner stone pieces going the other way.

15 Apr 2018 18:00:42
Eek that's bad for Toronto, want nothing to do with Webers declining play and huge contract.

15 Apr 2018 18:14:07
Weber is sick, that contract is terrible. No way I would give up cost controlled assets like brown (3 years 2.1mill) zaitsev (6 x 4.5) and liljegren on an ELC plus a first for it. Martin and marincin have no value but neither does anything else coming back besides Weber other than the 2nd obviously. Easentially it’s those 3 players and a 1st for Weber and a second and I wouldn't touch it.

15 Apr 2018 23:53:28
I don't see where there is anything coming back the habs way to make it worthwhile. sure liligren might still turn into to something decent down the road. but that's about it. The late 1st has some value but the habs have enough bottom 6 forwards like brown and martin. And zaitsevs contract looks worse and worse every game he plays no chance in hell habs accept this for a top pair dman.

16 Apr 2018 00:50:08
Habby I think you underrate Brown he’s a cost controlled top 6 winger he’s still young and has potential to be Mike Hoffman esq. Zaitsev has had the highest TOI in both playoff games so far he’s a top 4 dman in at a cheap price. He’ll never wow you but he does the little things right and he has a hard shot.

16 Apr 2018 03:08:41
Brown with potential for Hoffman lmao.

16 Apr 2018 03:37:52
Mc jesus christ u are just a hab hater and always had been this is more than fair Weber is top 10 for sure in the world Matt Martin is dump low 1st and zaitsev looks like he isn't worth that contract and we don't need him we have petry and connor brown is good not going to lie there but he have so many wingers why add more lilijgren is good Hanzal got a 1st second and 4th for a rental and much worse player so anyone that is hella biased vs habs fan because they do it for fun should shut up and watch hockey.

16 Apr 2018 06:33:27
VBB, Brown is a good player and on a great contract, but is not a similar player to Hoffman in any way and will never be. He’s a middle six, very reliable defensive player with some offensive upside, not a sniper lol

MTL4LIFE, how is this, in any way, comparable to the Martin Hanzal trade? Lol has to be the dumbest comparison to bring up. Ones a centre, ones a Dman. One was at the trade deadline, one would be offseason. One was a rental in an expiring contract, one has a big cap hit for like 8 or 9 more years taking till he’s 41+. Get a clue rather than just calling people haters because you have no info or sense.

16 Apr 2018 07:09:07
As much as I like Weber, I think this would be a bad move for Toronto. Any realistic leaf fan should know that Toronto is a couple solid defenseman away from being a contender. Liljegren could be one of them. I don’t know why leaf fans are so quick to trade away a RH defenseman that was expected to go 3rd overall before dropping because of an off season. I think the leafs success the past couple years is making people want to rush the rebuild. Their core is still so young, there is no need to take on a big contract like Weber’s.

16 Apr 2018 07:39:28
Hahaha ya what is that comparison what? And I’m not being a hater at all I’m being logical bud.

16 Apr 2018 09:40:30
That's ok to say vbbbvvbb and I can't predict whether he will be or not. But I do know he's had a decent amount of time playing in a top six role with a pretty good offensive team in toronto and he had 30 something points last year and 28 this year I think. if I came on here and said charles hudon has the potential to be a mike Hoffman I'd be crucified lol. Like I said earlier habs have enough of those players hudon. Daneult byron just to name 3 who are at least just as good and IMO better then brown. Liligren still has the potential to be a top 4 dman but he really didn't show me much this year I give him a pass though considering it was his first year in North America and I assume he will be better next year. the first is a late one and zaitsev is a 3rd pair dman getting paid2nd pair money. Liligren and the first would be all I would even want and you know as we'll as I do that don't get you a top pair dman.

16 Apr 2018 12:27:40
Unbiased Jim I’m not saying brown is a 1 dimensional sniper I’m saying he can put up Hoffman like numbers if he reaches his full potential 25 Goals 30 Assists isn’t unreasonable.

16 Apr 2018 16:12:54
@habby, brown doesn’t play top 6. He started the season on the 4th line and has been on the 3rd line since then (bozak a and doesn’t play on the PP. he’s a great 3rd line player that could be moved up if needed.

16 Apr 2018 16:29:13
He has spent just as much time as the 3 habs players I've mentioned playing a top 6 role. He played over 16 mins a game last year and 15 mins a game this year. His numbers doesn't suggest he will be anything more then a bottom 6 winger and habs have no need for that. Weber is still a top pair dman sure there is always concern after a player has season ending surgery but nobody in montreal seems to be too concerned about him coming back and being just as good as he was last year. habs have lots of cap space and the cap is going up so there is absolutely no need to make this trade unless the goal is to get another lottery pick next year.

16 Apr 2018 17:38:38
how is it because Weber isn't a rental he's a #1D and also had much more value than hanzal why would we trade someone 1000000 times better for that and take dead cap and hanzal is a #3 center.

16 Apr 2018 18:45:02
My thoughts were there goal is to/ should be to get a lottery pick.

16 Apr 2018 20:26:22
That’s fine if you don’t want him as a player or like him. I’m just saying you claimed he has had lots of top six minutes with good players, and that’s not true. Matthews Nylander and hyman are the number 1 line and have been for 2 years. Kadri with marner and marleau is the second line and brown started with Dominic Moore and Matt Martin and now is with bozak and JVR since. That’s third line. I’m not saying they’re bad players, but bozak does not create chances like Matthews and Kadri do, and JVR is a finisher, not much else. So implying that brown got to ride shotgun with top players is not true. You don’t have to like the trade but don’t make things up to put down the guy you don’t want back lol.

16 Apr 2018 23:44:45
All I was trying to say is the habs have a enough players like connor brown don't need another.

09 Apr 2018 21:45:13
Calgary Flames:
• Dougie Hamilton
Toronto Maple Leafs:
• Mitch Marner

Calgary Flames:
• Sam Bennett
• Dillon Dube
• Jusso Valimaki
Philadelphia Flyers:
• Wayne Simmonds


J Gaudreau - S Monahan - M Marner
M Tkachuk - M Backlund - W Simmonds
K Versteeg - M Jankowski - M Frolik
M Ferland - N Shore - T Brouwer

M Giordano - T Brodie
R Andersson - T Hamonic
B Kulak - M Stone

09 Apr 2018 22:03:39
I wouldn't trade Hamilton for Marner. he's the Dman on Flames you build around.

09 Apr 2018 22:11:49
You need to stop. TOR fans will likely disagree, but Hamilton just finished tied for goals by Defenseman. 25 years old 6’5” right shot D that is a great skater. He’s worth more than just Marner, but you don’t trade him regardless.
And then you trade away our youth and depth for an older player like Simmonds (who i'd love to get) but not at that price. A young 21 year old NHLr with lots of potential stil, a top D prospect and top C prospect. Too much.

09 Apr 2018 22:15:16
Why trade for both Marner and Simmonds? Just do one, and tbh I’d rather trade for Simmonds.

10 Apr 2018 02:53:29
As a leafs fan I would not want anything to do with Hamilton extremely overrated and 1 dimensional I’d rather go after Colton Paryanko, Eric Johnson or Seth Jones ( definitely won’t be traded. ) i'd rather go for Girodano then Hamilton and that says a lot. But regardless neither player will be traded. Marner=Guadreau.

10 Apr 2018 04:34:46
And that’s why you’re a dunce vb. Really you would rather gio over Hamilton right now? Wow.

10 Apr 2018 04:53:05
Small scoring wingers are a dime a dozen. you don’t trade a young top two defenseman to get that.

10 Apr 2018 05:22:25
I agree the flames wouldn’t make that trade.

If you would rather Gio over Hamilton at this point in their careers, no one can help you

But saying players like marner are a dime a dozen is not close to reality either. The leagues getting younger I know, but 20 year olds with 130 pts in 150 games are not dime a dozen lol.

10 Apr 2018 12:58:26
Giordano over Hamilton? Lol.

10 Apr 2018 12:22:48
Marner is good but comon. You don't get Dougie Hamilton with a 5.10 winger.

10 Apr 2018 14:02:11
Hey colt, I agree, so can habs fans stop trying to get #1 centres with Gallagher haha.

10 Apr 2018 20:19:02
I’ll reiterate what i said I’d rather give less to get an older more well rounded Gio then giving up more for a 1 dimensional Hamilton. Obviously Hamilton has more value but his value is not as high as people believe.

10 Apr 2018 22:24:23
@vbbbvvbb: you definitely an eastern hockey fan that likely never watches Flames games. You need to research more. Please explain how Hamilton is 1 dimensional. His advanced stats are awesome. He’s one of the top scoring D men in the entire league and his #’s have gone up every year. You’re letting bias and a few things you read a couple years ago get in the way of being smart.
But still, no way in hell should CGY trade Hamilton, period, let alone for only Marner.

10 Apr 2018 23:39:46
This is what I think. Flames would take Guadreau over Marner. As a leafs fan I’ll take Marner over Guadreau because of potential and ELC. Guadreau is better now but not by much. Keep in mind Guadreau plays with Monahan and top PP with consistent linemates. Meanwhile Marner fluncuates lines a lot and dosent have a Elite Monahan to play with. ( he almost never plays with Mathews or Nylander) . He often carry’s his line and drives possession better then Guadreau IMO. Also I enjoy watching Winnipeg play and I’ve noticed when the jets played them and the leafs he gets out of position in his own end almost on a shiftly basses. He also has a tendency to get burnt on the rush he is not a bad defender I’d put him in the Morgan Rielly Catagory value wise. I’ll admint I may be biased due to not liking Hamilton’s tool set and other fans probably value him higher then I do. But there is no way I trade Marner for Hamilton. I also accept the fact that considering the flames have an similar skill set player in Guadreau both teams would respectfully decline.

09 Apr 2018 18:14:11
Edmonton: first round pick 2018 , puljujärvi , benson

Toronto: Nylander

09 Apr 2018 20:30:58
No way from TO

09 Apr 2018 22:04:08
Wouldnt of I were Edmonton.

09 Apr 2018 22:06:32
Value wise, I see oilers fans saying no. But from the leafs, I don’t like it either. Nylander is a guaranteed top six forward for a long time and possibly a superstar in a cpl years and has unbelievable chemistry with Matthews. Those 3 pieces may turn into something great or may be nothing special. Leafs are not in a place where they’re desperate and need to take risks to try to hit a homerun with other prospects. They’re set in that regard. Focus on a youngish, yet proven Dman.

09 Apr 2018 23:18:52
Leafs need defense not more forwards.

10 Apr 2018 02:56:00
Makes zero sense from Leafs prospective they’re transitioning into a contender why trade for question marks.

10 Apr 2018 09:19:49
Lol "no way from TOR" got to be a joke. Jesse has at least as high a ceiling as Nylander, add to that a solid F prospect and a top 10 pick and its an easy no from EDM.

10 Apr 2018 14:06:12
Triplets, value wise I say it is enough. But timing of a trade like that for leafs is terrible. They’re ready to compete. If Nylander holds out for too much money and you need to get assets, then sure. But oilers wouldn’t give up cheap controllable assets for another forward to pay $8mill anyway and if he’s not asking for crazy money, leafs pay him and keep a dominant line together. It’s a no go both ways.

09 Apr 2018 15:31:30
Calgary Plans:

Curtis Lazar to VAN for Sixth Round Pick
Garnet Hathaway to ARI for Sixth Round Pick
Brett Kulak to TOR for Fourth Round Pick
Troy Brouwer, Second Round Pick to ARI for Seventh Round Pick

CGY:
• Sam Bennett
• Rasmus Andersson
BUF:
• Sam Reinhart

CGY:
• Adam Fox
• Dillon Dube
• 2019 3rd Round Pick
OTT:
• Mike Hoffman

( Sign Sam Gagner )

J Gaudreau - S Monahan - S Reinhart
M Tkachuk - M Backlund - M Frolik
M Hoffman - M Jankowski - M Ferland
K Versteeg - N Shore - S Gagner

09 Apr 2018 17:23:36
Why even trade for Hoffman if he’s on the 3rd line lol waste. Calgary shouldn’t even make that trade they don’t need him.

09 Apr 2018 20:31:27
Mcjesus they need more scoring.

10 Apr 2018 01:23:45
Sign Gagner? You realize he’s under contract with the Canucks for another couple years right? lol, also Canucks say no to lazar for a 6th, we need picks not busts.

10 Apr 2018 04:35:55
Then go for a forward better suited for flames, not another LW and store him on the 3rd line makes no sense.

10 Apr 2018 05:20:48
Honestly Simmonds would be a nice fit. He could play 1st or 2nd RW and play PP/ PK.

11 Apr 2018 23:10:19
Ottawa says, "hahahahaha"

Then hangs up the phone.

05 Apr 2018 22:14:48
Calgary Flames:
- TJ Brodie
Montreal Canadiens:
- Brendan Gallagher
- Second Round Pick

Calgary Flames:
- Michael Stone
Toronto Leafs:
- Second Round Pick

Calgary Flames:
- Sam Bennett
- Second Round Pick (MTL)
- Third Round Pick
Buffalo Sabres:
- Sam Reinhart

Calgary Flames:
- Tyler Parsons
- Oliver Kylington
- Second Round Pick (TOR)
Arizona Coyotes:
- Max Domi

J Gaudreau - S Monahan - S Reinhart
M Tkachuk - M Backlund - B Gallagher
M Domi - M Jankowski - M Frolik
M Ferland - C Lazar - T Brouwer

M Giordano - D Hamilton
R Andersson - T Hamonic
B Kulak - J Valimaki

06 Apr 2018 02:45:56
'Toronto Leafs'? Ugh, that felt weird to read. Anyway, I don't think that Stone is worth a second. From what I've read, he's been just meh this year, and at 4 million, I don't think its worth it for a 2nd.

I don't think Montreal will trade their only bright spot this year for another dman tbh. I think they keep Gallagher unless its for a centreman tbh.

And I think buffalo says no on the last one. Reinhart was taken before Bennett for a reason, and Reinhart has played good in the second half of the year.

06 Apr 2018 06:32:52
Stone for a 2nd lmao.

06 Apr 2018 07:36:34
I feel like Reinhart doesn’t hold a lot of value on this site but he’s I think 21 and just had a 50 point season.

06 Apr 2018 12:58:07
Wouldn’t take Stone for free.

06 Apr 2018 15:16:53
1. Would rather get a pick for Brodie
2 Stone is definately not worth a 2nd
3. Parsons is not for trade.

07 Apr 2018 00:20:19
That Domi one is rich.

02 Apr 2018 00:29:06
Buffalo trades Viktor Antipin to
Toronto for Connor Carrick.

26 Mar 2018 16:11:00
Col: Wilson, 2nd Nash 2018

Tor: Bozak and JVR

Sign and Trade

Bozak 4 x 4.5
JVR 6 x 6.5

Avs have the çap room and are on the up and coming. It keeps JVR and Bozak together and Bozak went to university of Denver.

26 Mar 2018 20:02:17
Um going to take more from Colorado to get that Lol.

26 Mar 2018 21:28:54
Theyre both UFA so why give up assets to get them. Why not simply juat sign them when you can during te summer.

27 Mar 2018 01:42:45
To avoid a bidding war and get them for like 5 mil instead of 7 ( JVR )

27 Mar 2018 04:48:16
But they are UFAs. Why would they sign for $5M when they could sign for $7M. It's not like they're stupid and don't know they are UFAs 😳.

27 Mar 2018 06:17:29
Hope they're idiots and pull some trickery or what.

27 Mar 2018 16:43:04
JVR is not leaving a team on the upswing like Toronto where he is happy, has lived a long time, ties to the community and are poised to start winning, to take a big discount somewhere else. If he’s willing to leave that much cash on the table he would just stay. He’s not getting days away from UFA to do the leafs a favour by letting them profit by picking his next team and salary elsewhere haha.

27 Mar 2018 19:14:58
The team that acquires their rights gains leverage on their next contract plus they have the ability to sign them earlier and to an extra year.

28 Mar 2018 10:25:23
Not sure signing an 28 year old winger to an extra year is considered and advantage. With that age you try for the less years as possible. You don't want to give 8 years at 7 million until he's 36. You want to sign him to 4 years at 6-7 million hoping well be worth it until he's 32. Obviously that don't always work but 6 years (34 when its done isn't terrible, but until he's 36 is almost brutal because those last 4 years are likely to be around 30-40 points from JVR which is too much at 7 million.

26 Mar 2018 16:08:49
Col: C. Wilson, 2018 Nas 2nd

Tor: Bozak and JVR

Sign and Trade

Bozak 4 x 4.5.

14 Mar 2018 21:20:25
Carolina: Noah Hanifin
Edmonton: Leon Draisaitl

Montreal: Brendan Gallagher
Edmonton: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins

Ottawa: Mark Stone, Mike Hoffman
Edmonton: Kailer Yamamoto, Jesse Puljujärvi, Tyler Benson, 1st Round Pick

Arizona: Max Domi
Edmonton: Andrej Sekera, Ryan Strome

Toronto: Tyler Bozak, Connor Carrick
Edmonton: Oscar Klefbom, Pontus Aberg

Hoffman - McDavid - Stone
Domi - Bozak - Gallagher
Lucic - Cagguila - Cammalleri

Hanifin - Larsson
Nurse - Carrick
Russell - Bear / Benning

14 Mar 2018 22:20:13
No from Edmonton
No from Edmonton
No from Arizona
No from Edmonton.

14 Mar 2018 23:44:59
Oh god these are bad.
No from Edmonton on every trade except Arizona.
Only one interesting is the Ottawa trade and that’s going to be a no from Edmonton, would be nice to get both those players be realistically only Hoffman should be targeted.

15 Mar 2018 00:35:30
I don’t think domi has a ton of value, just don’t think that’s the kind of return they would want. They would want young and skilled coming back.

15 Mar 2018 05:18:02
I’m not sure how a UFA and Carrick gets you Klefbom, let alone Aburg but I’ll take it.

15 Mar 2018 12:26:09
Lol yeah. That leaf one is rediculous. If oilers were in the playoffs and desperately needed centre help it wouldn’t be a good trade still, but when they’re out and his contract is up, it’s one of the worst I’ve seen.

15 Mar 2018 12:26:20
Interesting . EDM fans don't like that trade and i can't believe any Sens fan would want that trade . that's what's called a lose lose . Stone isn't going anywhere. He's been our best player this year . and We didn't trade Hoffman because he's tearing it up with Duchene. As good as Puljujarvi and Moto are, You would literally lose every single Sens fan in the world if you trade those two for prospects. Dorion was said to have rejected a "future driven offer" for hoff already so i can only imagine he wants immediate help.

15 Mar 2018 18:59:43
Hoff, when a team enters a full rebuild (as your owner already stated) the idea is to trade your older players for younger pkayers, not looking for immediate help at this moment.

16 Mar 2018 00:32:57
Maybe quantity equals quality there, I’m not sure. I still wouldn’t trade either of Stone or Hoffman unless an offer blows them away. If Karlsson is traded, the players coming back could put them right back into the playoffs. If Karlsson stays they will have a pretty good core with Duchene, Stone, Hoffman, Karlsson, Chabot and I’m sure I’m missing a couple.

16 Mar 2018 02:12:38
Leafs 17 your just an absolute breath of fresh air on here man. One of the best I've seen. how can a habs fan agree with everything a leaf fan says.? It doesn't happen all the time I can tell you that lol.

16 Mar 2018 13:53:08
Lool. McJesus . Stone is 24. that's not "old" at all. He's is not going Anywhere. and Hoff is 27. just entering his prime.

16 Mar 2018 14:15:56
Stone is 26 not 24. But I agree he’s not someone that needs to go to get younger and better. He’s a great player and does everything including being a leader. If they trade Karlsson I see it kinda becoming stones team.

16 Mar 2018 16:46:11
And @mcjesus leafs did their rebuild and definitely had to get rid of core players like phaneuf and kessel, along with bad contracts like Clarkson and dealt with lupul in a more creative way to say the least lol but they still kept a cpl guys in their mid 20s that they identified as being good examples during the build and still good enough when the team is better to contribute. Guys like Kadri, JVR and Bozak are now 27, 29 and 31 or 32 and playing important roles on a good team. For the right offer, anyone should be available, but it’s more than possible to build for the future while keeping a guy like Stone in the mix.

16 Mar 2018 17:09:19
All I was saying was a rebuild is when you trade players for younger players, that’s the point of a rebuild. So when he said Dorion rejected a future driven offer that’s strange.
I didn’t say anything about actually trading Hoffman or stone I only commented on what Dorion supposedly said.

16 Mar 2018 18:24:09
Yeah. I would think the offer would have to have been low not to move Hoffman. For sure rebuild should be future driven pieces coming tho. If those aren’t the offers he wanted, don’t nnow why he would say rebuild at all lol.

13 Mar 2018 14:43:05
I thought I'd propose something unconventional rather than another RNH for Pacioretty/Faulk etc.
Assuming Arizona and Montreal get 1st and 5th overall in this year's draft and that OEL really does want to stay, what would it take for the Habs to get Dahlin? (I know he's not being traded). Montreal has four second round picks this year.

Montreal: 2018 1st overall (Dahlin)

Arizona: 2018 5th overall, 2019 1st (unprotected), Montreal 2018 2nd Round, Chicago 2018 2nd Round, Toronto 2018 2nd Round

Arizona selects one of Boqvist (unlikely), Wilde, Hughes, Bouchard, Dobson

13 Mar 2018 16:18:46
Montreal could take boqvist at 5th and save all those picks it's too much for me but I'm sure arizona would want similar to this. Looks something like the lindros trade where philly probably would have been better off keeping forsberg.

13 Mar 2018 16:26:53
Ummm noooo wtf.

13 Mar 2018 16:27:50
Montreal would have to offwr way more.

13 Mar 2018 18:03:10
Yikes man Montreal would have to offer way more than that if they want Dahlin.

13 Mar 2018 18:09:59
I think it's a little to much for Dahlin. the 2019 unprotected first is what lost me in this proposal. Unless Montreal does something fairly big in the off season, or Droiun, Price and Weber can all have way better seasons, I see this team being in lottery contention next year as well.

13 Mar 2018 19:21:47
As I said before, Dahlin is in a class of his own. he's a Matthews value esque player. Boqvist will be good, but he's not close to Dahlin rn, and a couple 2nds doesn't make up the gap.

13 Mar 2018 19:28:51
It's not a couple 2nds it's 3 2nds and a first. I'd rather keep the picks there isn't that much difference in the two players.

13 Mar 2018 20:18:14
There isn’t that much difference in the two players?! Lol yes there is.

One guy is a good Dman with who has managed 1 pt in 15 games in the top Swedish division before being demoted and having 2 pts in 7 games. He has climbed the rankings and I get that points isn’t everything, but when you’re talking about a top pick who is supposed to be an offensive Dman, they matter.

Dahlin has been on everyone’s radar for 3-4 years as the guaranteed top pick. Playing in the world juniors at 16 and been in Sweden’s top division since 16 and at a .50 pts per game pace. Already at 6’1 and 175 pound and getting bigger. Scouts reports say he’s so far beyond where Karlsson was at the same time in his development that the sky’s the limit for the kid.

l. You don’t think there’s a big gap in those two player? But RNH has a long way to go to close that gap on Drouin, right? Hahaha come on. That’s like saying there wasn’t that big of a gap between mcdavid at 1 and Marner at 4. Or Matthews at 1 ans pulijarvi at 4. Ummm ya there was lol.

13 Mar 2018 20:55:01
Don't use logic Jim. They just don't understand. They have their homer biased blinders on at all times. There's just no point. They even disregard legit facts and stats and call it BS. It's hilarious.

13 Mar 2018 22:53:44
Yeah I know lol I just can’t believe a guy can say there isn’t much difference between Dahlin and a kid ranked 5th tho lol the entire scouting staff for 31 NHL teaam disagree, along with every analyst and writer I’ve seen mention it, but we should all take Habbys word for it haha.

13 Mar 2018 23:36:29
Jim did I say there was a big difference in rnh and drouin? No that's just more of your B. S like always. I wouldn't give up 3 2nds and a 1st to jump up 4 spots. The difference in boqvist and dahlen isn't that much to me.

13 Mar 2018 23:36:52
Couldn't care less if you take my word for it or not lol.

13 Mar 2018 23:57:15
If they both become top pair dmen like they are projected to become by all those scouts you mentioned. And you also manage to get a25 to 30 goal scorer with the other 1st next year which isn't crazy to think cause like Sosa said it could be a lottery pick. and let's just say only one of those 3 2nds turn into a full time nhler. Does that close the gap? Maybe not in your mind but it does in mind. i'd rather have roman josi filip forsberg and ryan Ellis over eric karrlson on my team any day.

14 Mar 2018 12:18:25
Yeah and Gilbert Bruce was projected as a top centre 5 spots behind Crosby who was a can’t miss centre who was the consensus 1st for years like Dahlin. And Ryan stein was a top centre prospect 2 picks after mcdavid who was a can’t miss. Rusty Olesz was a projected top line LW 6 spots behind ovi who was a can’t miss winger. Now there’s also Blake wheeler who is great as a winger in that range behind ovi too, but the point is here’s a big difference between a can’t miss #1 overall and a guy that you could get in the same position a pick later. Dahlin isn’t just a typical good player with a lot of potential like every 1st rounder every year. He’s the best projected befense prospect in a cpl decades. That’s referred to as generational. I’m just waiting for if the habs win the pick and you say you wouldn’t trade it for mcdavid and 2 1sts.

14 Mar 2018 13:19:07
I personally rather draft Boqvist. Has a different kjnd of play for a defense, never goes after puck just body while in his zone which is what your suppose to do but I still see NHL.

even good ones always going for the damn puck when defending. Boqvist is really good at the defense side of things and also has offensive potential and scouts think hell be an offensive defense man in the nhl. I also Like Bouchard and Whalstrom both good winger that could be available at number 5.

14 Mar 2018 15:11:31
Alexander diagle was just as hyped. What's your point? Jim just try and win an argument without twisting my words around. I know dahlin is the best prospect in this years draft. do you think your the only one who knows that or something? but that's doesn't mean he will be the next lidstrom. trading 5 picks with two of them possibly being lottery picks is too much for me to give up. When I'm almost gaurenteed to get a solid nhl player at 5th. if you don't agree with that just say so. You don't have to make up B. S and twist my words to try and prove your point. and colt I'd rather have dahlin but boqvist is pretty good.

14 Mar 2018 15:16:37
Colt bouchard is a defenseman.

14 Mar 2018 19:31:54
I’m not the only one that knows Dahlin is the best player in the draft. That’s Exactly my point. You have this hot take that him and Boqvist aren’t that far apart. I’m well aware that the entire hockey industry identified Dahlin as far and away the best prospect. And daigle was a top pick. He was not called a generational player like the examples I used. Not at all. He was the top choice by the majority of people but even then, there were people who had said they would have taken Pronger 1st. I don't remember people making that arguement for Bobby Ryan or jack Johnson over Sid, or Eichel, strome or hanifin over mcdavid. It just doesn’t happen. These kids are the guaranteed pick for 2-3 seasons before their draft for a reason. Because the field is far in their rear view, like Boqvist is in Dahlins.

14 Mar 2018 20:15:15
Habby so you’re saying olli Joulevi and 3 2nds for Mathews is to much? Or Noah Hanfin and 3 2nds for McDavid is to much?

14 Mar 2018 21:57:23
Nylander its 2 1st one being a lottery pick and the other unless there are some big changes in montreal this year possibly another lottery pick and 3 2nds. For me that's to much for the difference in an elite prospect and a really really good prospect. next years pick could be 1st overall too and dahlin or boqvist will probably not do enough to change that as early as next year.

14 Mar 2018 22:10:33
@Nylander, it’s 3 2nds and a Future 1st. But still, he apparently doesn’t think Dahlin is generational talent, which is fine, it’s his opinion, but he will make it seem like you and everyone else in hockey, including people who are actually paid big bucks to know this stuff, are wrong for thinking he’s as good as everyone says. That’s a big price to pay, but that doesn’t mean it’s an overpayment. But if habs win the lottery there will be no price too steep for him. Just the way it is. We will be reading in ‘NHL Talk’ all next year:

“What a great game again by Dahlin”

“2 more points for Canadiens tonight! ”

“Dahlin for Norris? ”.

14 Mar 2018 22:14:10
@ biased jim you may not recall 1993 as we'll as I do but even considering the lack of social media as compared to today alexander diagle was super hyped. Hardly anyone had pronger at number 1 and even that should show you what I've been saying. Pronger a guy who probably would have went down in history as one of the top 5 or 10 blue liners of all time had it not been for injuries in the later part of his career was passed over by a hyped player at the draft. now before you try to twist my words again I'll be the first one to say if I got a choice at this draft I take dahlin hands down without even thinking about it. But if the price to move up is those two first and 3 2nds I'm staying at 5th. 5 th overall and 3 2nds i do. But I'm not giving up next years 1st if I'm the habs.

14 Mar 2018 23:41:27
I never said daigle wasn’t hyped lol I said he was the 1st pick by the majority of ppl. I said he was never called the generational talent like Crosby, mcdavid or even Matthews have been. Dahlin has been the most hyped D prospect in a long long time. Even more than ekblad who had exceptional player status in junior like mcdavid Tavares and lindros. Daigle was not the highest touted winger prospect of a decade or more, regardless of how you remember the pre social media world.

15 Mar 2018 01:51:12
and i'm saying yes he was hyped the same as those guys. "could be the best player in the game in 2 years" "destined for greatness" all these things were said about him too as these are actual quotes from scouts. I guess I didn't get my last comment in in time to beat you from twisting my words again.

15 Mar 2018 01:56:08
And for the third time it's this years 1st 5th overall and next years 1st unprotected and 3 2nds.

15 Mar 2018 03:54:08
Nobody forgets what the package was, nylander made a mistake hours Ago lol we know it’s 2 1sts and 3 2nds. No one said otherwise since then.

15 Mar 2018 04:02:59
Well in your last comment you left out the current 1st. Biased jim you have too much time on your hands man logging In and out just to click agree on your posts and disagree on mine lol. Your laughable man.

15 Mar 2018 12:36:33
Haha I’m pretty sure yours has the only agree and mine the only disagree after you posted and clicked it. And I never forgot to mention the current first. I know what the deal is lol you just don’t understand generational talent, which is fine. The closest you have seen to it in Montreal is 2 goalies, one who they pushed out of town and another that’s destined for the same fate. Well and Drouin. He was taken 2 picks behind mackinnon, but I’m sure yzerman thought there was hardly a difference.

15 Mar 2018 15:00:08
A leaf fan talking about generational talent on his team. Now that's hilarious. matthews hasn't done anything near enough yet to be considered generational I mean at least wait till he starts scoring at a point per game pace. If he ever does. Who are all these other generational talent that you have seen first hand? Sundin? Clarke? Lol biased jim even your smart enough to realize if we compare the talent of previous years between the the two teams yours wouldn't have a chance. Come on man generational talent?

15 Mar 2018 17:03:05
I never said leafs had generational talent lol I said you can’t recognoze it apparently. I can see all around the league and the history of hockey to see it. Your view just revolves around one team, which is why I said all you have seen in that category is 2 goalies. And Clarke was phillys captain in the 70s and 80s. Clark was ours in the 90s, but you never saw the name spelt on the back of a habs jersey, so that’s too far outside your comfort zone to know anything about, forgiven.

15 Mar 2018 18:22:50
It was still funny to think a leaf fan like yourself would know anything about generational talent. You should stick to the stuff you do know. I'm not sure what that would be but there has got to be something lol.

15 Mar 2018 18:31:45
And sorry for adding an e to Clark did you have to look through your retired player index to figure out who I was talking about? i mean I just used my brain to figure out who Gilbert Bruce and ryan stein were lol. But I totally understand how the extra E could be confusing for you.

09 Mar 2018 19:56:07
TOR: Morgan Rielly, 1st 2018
OTT: Karlsson, Harpur, 3rd in 2018

09 Mar 2018 22:37:24
Gonna take a lot more than that to get karlsson, - the other two pieces.

09 Mar 2018 23:34:18
Big Morgan Rielly fan here. but not even in the ballpark lol.

 
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