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18 Aug 2018 13:45:16
Blues Trade

Leafs Trade

4th Line Depth Trade, Barbashev gives the Leafs more depth at 4th Line Center to share with Lindholm, Leivo should crack the Lineup with the Blues being a little weaker on RWing.
I expect to have backlash that Barbashev is the next Datsyuk and the Blues would never do this trade, let the attacks begin. LoL

Thoughts ?

16 Aug 2018 14:27:33
Columbus Trades

Toronto Trades
Connor Brown
Rasanen (KHL)
1st Round Pick 2019
1st Round Pick 2020*
2nd Round Pick 2020

*Conditional Pick only if Panarin resigns with the Leafs.

As a one Season rental I believe getting a 3rd line 2 way winger in Brown, a good prospect in Rasanen, plus a 1st and 2nd Round Pick in 2019 and 2020 plus a possible extra 1st Round Pick in 2020 is plenty enough to get Panarin, I will probably get backlash again on here but really it's honestly fair and helps both Teams in the big picture.

Thoughts ?

16 Aug 2018 15:05:18
How does it help Columbus? They want to win. why would they give up a guy who scored a point per game for depth and future picks? They will keep Panarin unless they get a solid top-6 forward back, that will contribute to the team now. Which now of these do.

Pinball you get backlash because the trades you propose only make the Leafs better, not the other team. You’re not terrible at determining value, but you need to look at trades from the perspective of both teams.

16 Aug 2018 15:18:14
I guess I don’t see why you always post the same, or very similar proposals all the time. The leafs are not resigning any high end forward not named Matthews, Marner and Nylander. They should keep Brown unless he’s involved in a deal for a defenseman. If Toronto decides to add another scoring threat it will be for this year only. I’m guessing the right deal is not available for a defenseman right now. Please make some new proposals instead of looking for approval from people who are sick of the garbage. Then come back hours later tweaking the same stuff. You’ve been back for a week and it’s getting old already.

16 Aug 2018 15:19:11
ProDepth the problem the Jackets have with Panarin is he will probably walk as a UFA after this Season, if he is locked for even 2yrs than yes it's not enough to get a Top Forward like Panarin, but Columbus needs to move forward for the now and future, I am sure the Islanders are kicking themselves for not getting anything for Tavares and Columbus must have that at the back of there mind, will Columbus win the Cup this coming Season, probably not so keeping Panarin is a step backwards, I made this proposal because Panarin is a rental and in the end is probably going either to a Florida Team or Chicago as a UFA.

16 Aug 2018 15:19:36
Stopppppppp posting crap like this over and over and over and over again.

16 Aug 2018 15:55:29
Keeping Panarin helps them more then this deal does. If they keep Panarin and make a deep run in the playoffs (they had a 3-1 lead on The eventual cup winners; and their team is very young) then maybe Panarin considers resigning or they give the city a playoff run they’ve never experienced.

If they make this trade, the blue jackets become significantly worse (Panarin was a lot of their offence) and none of the pieces coming back will likely be difference makers, and Brown is the only asset that is a safe bet to contribute to the team.

There’s a reason people disagree with your proposals, stop trying to change everyone’s mind.

16 Aug 2018 16:14:42
Again, CLB will be able to get at least this much at the deadline if they decide to trade Panarin. So, they're better off just playing him until then and getting the same assets at the deadline rather than doing the Leafs a favour and sending him to Toronto now.

16 Aug 2018 16:35:13
On top of why would CBJ do it, and other teams would be in the bidding, every trade you make is stacking depth players on depth players.

Championship teams have familiar depth players playing important roles. Lars Eller, Jacob Vrana, even Alex Chiasson on the caps, and Bryan Rust and Carl haglins on the pens. No other team is going to value them as much as their own team. They are not going to fetch you a lot in a trade but they know the system, they know the style of game you want them to play and they can go up and down a lineup while not taking much cap space

Those are Brown, Hyman, Kapanen and Johnsson for us. You aren’t going to get panarin by trading them, but your team has a better chance of going deep or even winning with Matthews, marner, Nylander and those 4 than you do just adding panarin at the expense of your depth.

This one you only have giving up one of them, but I think this offer gets beat.

17 Aug 2018 09:52:02
Maybe try even more quantity instead of quality? lol.

18 Aug 2018 03:09:52
Just cause panarin probably doesn't want to signing clb doesn't mean they want to give him away for spare parts, they start at top 6 winger and go from there, not a bunch of futures, plus those 1st round picks would be late anyway so not sure things by any means.

15 Aug 2018 19:03:48
The Flyers should move Simmonds now because they will be facing a cap crunch when they need to sign their upcoming RFAs (Provorov, Konecny, Sanheim, Patrick) and can't give Simmonds the term and AAV he'll demand. Buffalo needs a character guy in the locker room to help change the culture and have the cap space in the short and medium term to sign him.

I've modelled it off the Schenn trade and adjusted for contracts, player value etc.

Philadelphia: Conditional SJ 1st 2019 (Kane trade), Conditional 2019 STL 1st (O'Reilly trade), Sobotka ($3.5MM UFA 2020) (borderline cap dump)

Buffalo: Simmonds ($3.975MM UFA 2018), Morin ($700k RFA 2021) NHL ready but injured until February (for the blue line long term)

Both should be firsts in the late teens or 20s.

15 Aug 2018 20:52:08
Seems like an overpayment from buffalo. He'll be an unrestricted free agent next year so his value decreases slightly due to the latter.

15 Aug 2018 23:17:28
What exactly are the conditions on the picks.

Values not bad for the beginning of the year.

15 Aug 2018 23:57:54
I would peg Simmonds as fetching a late first and a B prospect so I added Sobotka and Morin to balance things out. Buffalo has short and medium term cap space to resign Simmonds. I think Simmonds may want to commit to Buffalo if they give him AAV and term, he can play on an up and coming team with Eichel and Dahlin, and is close to Toronto. It also seems Buffalo is willing to part with futures for current talent to become relevant again and have a shot at the playoffs.

16 Aug 2018 18:14:15
2 1sts for rental? Big overpayment. + buffalos 1st will most likely be bottom 5. They lost there best 2 way forward and winger but replaced Kane with Skinner and you can’t count on a 18 year old dman to carry a team.

16 Aug 2018 18:37:02
He doesn't have buffalos 1st in this trade if you look they are both from other teams they also aren't just getting simmonds. Unless your thinking that morin is equal to sobotka.

16 Aug 2018 20:17:13
Yeah, it’s not Sabres own 1st rounder. But still it is apparently based on the Brayden Schenn trade but the blues got a 25 year old Schenn at $5 mill for 3 more years. This is one year and Simmonds, who is turning 30 in a week. He’s great at what he does, but I don’t see the 2 players as that comparable, or their current situations, so I wouldn’t assume that similar of a return. That’s just me though lol.

16 Aug 2018 21:59:13
Ohh okay my apologies but with that being said at the deadline I could see him maybe getting a 1st or a 2nd + a prospect like Liespic he had a weak season last year similar to Patches.

07 Aug 2018 22:01:09
St. Louis - Colton Parayko, Oskar Sundqvist
Montreal - Max Pacioretty, Charles Hudon

08 Aug 2018 00:36:41
This should be fun lol.

08 Aug 2018 02:11:02
Patch had only 1 year left, St. Louis probably can't keep him after that, so he's basically a rental. Hudon is nothing special, neither is sundqvist, but Parayko is a very good top 4 defender on a decent contract. So Hans definitely need to add, if St. Louis would even be up to trading parayko which I don't think they will.

08 Aug 2018 02:15:27
St. Louis declines but I also don’t think Montreal should make Hudon avalible.

08 Aug 2018 03:42:26
Is this Pinball?

08 Aug 2018 04:40:14
Easy no from St. Louis.

08 Aug 2018 19:01:23
yeah that's a big no thanks from the blues. No reason at all for this move. Armstrong made his team a contender. Made the center postion strong, Has strong D has potential scoring threats and some great depth. Only issue is which Jake allen is going to show up. The one that stole the wild series in the playoffs or the one who looked like dog poo. We shall see.

09 Aug 2018 03:24:49
Change your name to blue1 already.

10 Aug 2018 00:29:17
Why this is common since. Fyi no body ever talks about Detroit. They are both my teams.

07 Aug 2018 06:17:09
St. Louis
St.Louis 2019 1st

for Erik Karlsson

07 Aug 2018 06:30:56
Well that’s an easy yes from Ottawa.

07 Aug 2018 07:40:01
Is it an easy yes for Ottawa?

I'd say even Karlsson would welcome it and sign a longer deal.

07 Aug 2018 07:41:11
Meant to say. Is it an easy yes for the Blues?

I'd say so too. ;)

07 Aug 2018 07:45:12
It is after all, something that could throw the Blues over the top as much as it is good for the Sens.

07 Aug 2018 16:37:27
I wouldn’t trade Paryanko straight up for Karlsson.

07 Aug 2018 18:19:43
vbbbvvbb I agree with you i wouldn't trade parayko for a soon to be ufa dman let alone adding fabbri and a 1st no thank you.

07 Aug 2018 19:47:24
Paraykos contract makes him kind of an equivalent to scheifele. Where centres not nearly as good are going to be getting $9+ mill and he makes $6.1mill for 6 more years. Parayko at $5.5 mill for a few more years while top D (doughty, karlsoon) will be $11 mill and the next tier like OEL, Burns, Carlson etc get $8-$8.5. Hedman is the bargain of the bunch at $7.75 mill or whatever lol.

08 Aug 2018 19:03:44
There should be no way they trade him. They couldn't fit karlson under the kap. He needs to go to a team like vegas or NY with cap room.

30 Jul 2018 11:46:24
Weird, Unrealistic Idea:

(RW) William Nylander + (LD) Jake Gardiner to the St. Louis Blues in exchange for (RD) Colton Parayko + (C/ W) Robby Fabbri.

Idk. I’d have a real hard time parting with Nylander, but a return of Parayko is absolutely solid. He’s exactly what Toronto needs. And St. Louis could use a winger to play behind Tarasenko and Willy can also play centre if Schenn takes a step back.

Gardiner and Fabbri are added since Parayko for Nylander is onesided for the Leafs imo, so Gardiner balances the deal out as St. Louis gets a replacement d on the offside. However, Gardiner and Nylander for Colt alone seems unfair, so Fabbri is added as a replacement for Nylander. Fabbris lost a lot of value after his injuries and can bounce back in TO imo.

Zach Hyman - John Tavares - Mitch Marner
Patrick Marleau - Auston Matthews - Robby Fabbri
Andreas Johnsson - Nazem Kadri - Kasperi Kapanen
Tyler Ennis - Par Lindholm - Connor Brown

Morgan Rielly - Colton Parayko
Travis Dermott - Nikita Zaitsev
Connor Carrick - Ron Hainsey.

30 Jul 2018 13:52:54
But value wise Parayko > Nylander even if Gardiner = Fabri which I think Fabri has a little more value than Gardiner straight up as well.
Blue decline, easily. Take out Fabri and I don't think I would even part ways with Parayko.

30 Jul 2018 13:54:21
I don't get this trade

Parayko> Nylander

Fabbri> Gardiner

How is this fair for St Louis. Ok you're going to say Fabbri is fragile fair enough. But once he's says healthy he's going to be a 50+ point player that's not even 23 yet. So yes he's worth more then Gardiner.

30 Jul 2018 14:11:24
Colt, so a 50 point forward is worth more than a 50 point dman? Your argument seems way off.

30 Jul 2018 14:24:42
I think it’s close. I would understand people saying Gardiner and Fabbri being added doesn’t make up for the gap between Nylander and parayko. That’s fair to say. But a guy that you hope can one day be a 50 pt player is not more valuable than a 27 year old top 4 d that QBs a PP and puts up 50+ pts while making $4mill lol that’s like me saying Connor Brown had 20 goals and I hope he could reach 45-50 pts so the Hurricanes would need to add in a Brown for Faulk deal haha that’s dumb.

30 Jul 2018 15:23:21
lets break this down a bit
Parayko 5.5 mil 4 years
fabbri 925k 1 year then rfa

Gardnier 4.05Mil 1 year UFA
Nylander notsigned rfa

parayko >> Nylander
Parayko >> Gardnier

Fabbri >Gardnier (contract rfa control)
Nylander > Fabbri

Blues are at the cap and need to sign Schmaltz. Taking on Gardnier and Nylander would be impossible. Also Blues do not have a RHD able to take Paraykos mins (24 a night) Gardnier is LHD and we already have Edmondson, Dunn, Jaybo, Gunner. SO not a positional need. Also with blues getting ROR, Perron, Bozak, Maroon and with Thomas and Kyrou coming up they are set on wingers. Maybee before the ror trade but not now. Just doesn't make sense.

30 Jul 2018 16:20:22
Agree with redwing aside from the fact that Gardiner.

30 Jul 2018 16:47:39
Really guys? Fabbri => Gardiner? Cmon. He was a 50 point dman last year. No way you can say a guy who has a career high of 37 points and missed all of last year is better. And if Gardiner was going to design, I think it’s close. Parayko > Nylander yes, but I do think Gardiners gap if resigned over Fabri makes up. Add a 2nd or so if so needed. Nylander has 70 pt potential.

30 Jul 2018 18:12:01
Fabbri is making 925k and is RFA after this year we need his ELC status till Jaybo and Gunner are gone freeing up 8.3 mil. plus 4-6 million in dead weight.

Gardnier is going to want more money, And he is LHD. We have 4 LHD currently Edmondson, Vince Dunn, Jaybo, Gunner. We don't need Gardnier. Blues also have Jake walman and a few others in the waiting to get into the nhl and they are entry level.

This trade doesn't make sense. Blues are set all their weaknesses, (goalie RW) are going to be filled internally by thomasKyrou Kostin Husso Fitzpatrick Binnginton, Peronovich, Bokk, Wallman.

They will all be on elcs and rfa status. they also have depth players power forward like players in Nolan Stevens and Eric Foley.

30 Jul 2018 19:03:53
I’m not saying blues need Gardiner or blues do the deal. All I’m saying is calling Fabbri better than Gardiner shows that it’s just a personal bias, not reality. Again, it’s the brown over Faulk thing.

30 Jul 2018 21:37:52
No Jim it shows value and teams needs considerations.

Fabbri was on pace and predicted to be as good as Nylander his first year he scored 18 goals as a 19 year old rookie and in 10 less games. he was hendered by his knee injury but i would say has the highest bust / ceiling differential in the league for 925k due to his knee. On top of that Blues do not Need UFA LHD, the notion that people keep putting around him, " oh you can sign him the following year", is personic, We could just sign him the following offseason, but we don't need him. As for nylander great player a little soft but great player. I am tired of hearing about potential if nylander is 30 goal 70 poiny player then parayko is 15 goal 60 point dman, right.

Any way if you take into accoutn team needs. Capp issues, Cam contract control Blues are better of the way they are and that is not Bias that's the truth.

30 Jul 2018 23:38:30
Value is there but blues have no reason to trade Parayko when their forward core included ROR, Tarasenko, Schwartz, steen, Bozak, Schenn and have guys like kyrou and Thompson ready to make the jump to the NHL. Like i said value is there but the motivation or need isn’t there.

30 Jul 2018 23:56:04
For the record, because people always seem to read-to-respond instead of read-to-understand.
I said I believe Fabbri has more value than Gardiner straight up. Just value wise with all things considered as redwing pointed out.

30 Jul 2018 23:57:35
For some reason., I think at the end of all there careers. Nylander maybe the best outta him Mathews and Marner. you have Tavares., so shop the American. and get a good ridiculous return, then the Leafs will win a cup. .
Go get OEL.

31 Jul 2018 01:13:23
Mathews is much better then Tavares and it’s not even close Mathews is better offensively and defensively Mathews is miles better he makes Tavares look like a PeeWee player in comparison Mathews is the best defensive forward sense Bergeron. Also Tavares has played for 7 more season and still hasn’t eclipsed Mathews totals. Mathews is atleast two tiers better.

31 Jul 2018 05:35:36
Mathews isn't as good as Tavares. VB. he may be down the road., but not at this point in his career. Ya he had a better goal scoring season. so what. Ovechkin gets more than anyone, however there are a couple dozen players in league better than him.
So get rid of the American, send him to Phoenix, get OEL and some pieces. Mathews is a hot commodity. m so get a complete team and win a cup.
Leafs went win with what they have now. Tampa is still the Superior team.

31 Jul 2018 06:17:24
Ovechkin is a winger, not great defensively huge difference. Please tell me how Tavares>Mathews teach me your expertise because apparently you know more then every TSN panellist and ALMOST every hockey writer.

31 Jul 2018 06:41:35
Lol. well some of em are pretty dumb. tsn guys.

Anyway. when Mathews can sustain a few years of being a star, and make others arounf him better, like Tavares, I will concede he may be the better player. however. he's not there yet. I'm jus saying, no way these guys are in same level as Tampa, close. but why not get there.

31 Jul 2018 13:50:22
Lol that’s like the 3rd time in the last cpl weeks a habs fan has said leafs should trade Matthews and sound serious. It’s funny because a true #1 centre is a Unicorn to you guys and we have 2. Stop the jealousy, worry about fixing the train wreck in Montreal instead of trying to justify us trading a 20 year old point per game centre, with size, a 200 ft game, lethal goal scorer, good faceoffs and great chemistry with his teammates lol absolutely no point to move that guy. Oilers should trade Mcdavid for D help because I Believe draisatl will have better numbers after 15 years, see how dumb that is?

31 Jul 2018 14:14:04
Leafs will not trade Mathews.

31 Jul 2018 13:54:50
Nylander is arguably the 6th best player on the leafs. Just because he’s better than your best in Montreal doesn’t mean he’s going to have a better career than a Matthews or Marner lol

1) Matthews
2) Tavares
3) Marner
Rielly/ Nylander/ Kadri (any order of these Guys at 4, 5 and 6 could be argued)

31 Jul 2018 17:59:21
And that’s just skaters, doesn’t factor in Freddy Andersen who was 4th in Vezina voting.

31 Jul 2018 21:08:48
Ya really think I'm jealous Jim? I was stating my opinion on the 3 Kids. I feel Nylander could be the better of em. fine trade him.
I would love to see the Leafs win a cup., all I have been trying to say is I don't think they have the team yet to do it. So, with 2 number one centers. both Franchise guys. why not sell one of em for top $. you could get a Stud Dman. and maybe even have a dynasty.

Leafs are close. but I feel they need more D.
As for my team. ya it's a wreck. It reminds me of the Leafs of the 80s, is what it is. Until the philosophy of having to have French Canadian coaches and GMs is put to rest and just have the best man for the job. will be for years to come.

31 Jul 2018 23:03:16
Look at the last few cups. Crosby/ Malkin twice and backstrom/ kuznetsov. You’re right Sosa, 2 top centres is not the path to success. It was Ron Hainsey and Justin Schultz playing top pair that won the cup for the penguins in 2016, I forgot.

31 Jul 2018 23:29:56
And You just said you’re sick of the habs only wanting French people on the organization, then why keep referring to Auston Matthews as ‘the amerocan’?! Because I don’t care where a guy is born or what jersey he wears internationally, as long as he pours his heart out for the leafs from October to June. Just seems pretty hypocritical. .

01 Aug 2018 00:43:28
The leafs trading Mathews would be like the Canadians trading a 20 year old Jean Béliveau except Mathews will probably be the more dominant player ( hard to compare but you get the stupidity in your comment ) Mathews is already the greatest player to wear a leafs jersey.

01 Aug 2018 02:26:35
Ok. really don't want to deal with Biased Goof and Virgin Balls.
You boys win. . lol. good luck! . really hope you win a cup.
Ummm Jim Crosby and Malkin. better than both your centers. so was there damn goalie. And depth players.
Vb. your jus a kid. so ya get a pass. But. Big Jean schooled your team for years. so until you win.
Shut up. lol.

01 Aug 2018 05:02:18
Jim is biased that's a given but vbbbvvbb is taking it to the next level lately. Matthews after 2 seasons of not getting out of the 1st round of the playoffs is already the best player in franchise history lol. what does that say about everyone else that ever donned the leafs jersey? it wasn't that long ago the leafs had a guy named doug gilmour who done much more and played better, harder and better defensively then matthews has played up to this point. But that was in the 90s vbbbvvbb you probably weren't born then. With regards to beliveau we are not exactly at the point yet where you should be comparing matthews to a hall of fame legend. cause guess what. if Matthews retired tomorrow he wouldn't get into the hall.

01 Aug 2018 05:07:26
It was a friendly argument and you clearly lost after insulting us. But anyway cheers. Béliveau was an all time great but I believe Mathews will be in the same tier. Béliveau was 2nd to Howe. Mathews is 2nd to McDavid for this current generation.

01 Aug 2018 06:59:33
C’mon habby. That’s the 2nd time you’ve mentioned “Matthews” not getting out of the 1st round. I believe it’s a team sport. “McDavid” didn’t even make the playoffs, he must be a bag of sh*t then? The hell with both of them, I’d rather Tom Wilson, he won the cup.

01 Aug 2018 14:14:16
I know that leafs 17 but my point was hold off on the beliveau comparison until he gets out of the first round lol.

01 Aug 2018 15:47:05
Yah I was born in 2001 so unfortunately I haven’t seen Dougie G play but I do agree with what you’re saying to be able to Compare the 3 Mathews has to play 10+ more seasons my point is the notion of trading Mathews is personic.


01 Aug 2018 16:11:27
@Habby, saying ‘trading Matthews is dumb’is me being biased? Lol 😂 and saying he’s more valuable at 20 than Tavares at 27 or marner at 20 is biased?! They’re all leafs lol. All I said is don’t trade a 20 year old star Centerman and that habs fans shouldn't be trying to fix the leafs by doing so. That’s not biased. That’s common sense.

01 Aug 2018 16:15:23
And Sosa, I never said Matthews and JT were better than Malkin/ Crosby. Or backstrom/ kuznetsov. Never said that at all. READ! Lol I said great centre depth has won the last 3 cups. It’s a fact, you can look that up to if you can sound out the words.

I could only imagine your response if you had 2 great players at the most important position in their prime and a leaf fan told you it’s a mistake to keep them both lol.

01 Aug 2018 17:51:47
No jim I had considered you biased long before this post lol.

01 Aug 2018 21:17:15
You think I’m biased because I told you you overvalue paccioretty and after months of actively shopping him, habs haven’t been able to find someone to give them good value. Again, that’s just looking at the reality of a situation.

01 Aug 2018 21:43:41
It’s not biased to point out that currently, contracts situations and all, there’s not a single skater on the Habs that could be traded 1-for-1 for our top 6 skaters. Anyone with common sense when it comes to hockey would see that habs best 3 players are Weber, patches and Drouin. None of those straight up gets you Nylander, Kadri or Rielly 4/ 5/ 6 as I said above.

And I know the whole TSN Toronto sports network complainers will come out soon, how it’s all media driven and that, but TSN doesn’t own Bodog, TSN doesn’t influence Vegas betting odds. Vegas betting odds are far from a guarantee how things will shake out, but it shows it’s far from just us ‘biased leaf fans’ that know how good this team is.

02 Aug 2018 02:32:20
Jim why can't you admit you are biased? I'm biased see it isn't that hard. Everyone on here value their teams players a little more then they are worth, you included. Maybe you are not as bad as some but your still biased.

02 Aug 2018 13:08:30
I like almost every leaf player because I watch them more and get to know them a bit. But I like a handful of players of almost every team in the league, all based on merit. I’ve criticized complete organizations before when they’re a screw up and it’s not biased to see those teams making brutal decisions on a monthly basis. I’ve never changed my opinion on a player because he changes address (like saying Kerry Rychel of the marlies is a bust one week, and a possible good 3rd liner 10 days later when he’s traded to the habs Lol or giving me a hard time for saying galchenyuk wasn’t very good and then he hadn’t even tried on his coyotes jersey yet and you called him spare parts and said how habs easily won the trade for domi even though every stat and number says otherwise lol

Tell me when I’ve ever changed my opinion of a player based on the jersey they wear? Because that’s what shows team bias. I didn’t like PK subban as a hab, don’t loke him as a Pred. Loved Shea Weber as a pred, don’t love him being a hab because he’s great, but don’t think less of him. Only ever criticized his contract which was equally bad in any city. And you never read me criticizing JT or Freddy Andersen or aPatrick Marleau before we acquired them, because I think the same about them now as I dod before, just happy they play here.

02 Aug 2018 15:27:42
And as always when your questioned about being biased you create BS stories about what other people said to make them seem more bias then you lol. Your awesome man.

02 Aug 2018 16:32:54
It’s not BS. Colt said the Kerby Rychel thug and you defended him when I questioned him on it. And he galchenyuk one was between you and I right after he was traded. Not that long ago. Maybe it’s my young memory.

03 Aug 2018 00:03:10
It's called selective memory I think.

29 Jul 2018 11:42:05
Blue jackets trade: Panarin

Blues trade: Fabbri, 1st round pick 2019, 2nd round pick 2019, 4th round pick 2020

29 Jul 2018 21:48:11
All depends on Fabbri staying healthy, but if he does, this is a really good return for a guy that has Kinda made it clear he doesn’t want to be there after this year anyway.

30 Jul 2018 01:15:36
Yea could be other pieces added for sure but think of the blues lines.

Panarin oreilly tarasenko
Schwartz Schenn Perron
Maroon Bozak steen.

30 Jul 2018 15:00:45
I think CBJ could get better than this, but would have to be perfect situation. This is if they are 100% he isn’t staying and need to recoup some assets. Better to get a young player that’s more of a guarantee to be impactful and a pick because jackets are ready to compete too.

11 Jul 2018 17:47:17
Blues trade: Fabbri, jaskin

Hurricanes trade: skinner

Schwartz schenn tarasenko
Skinner oreilly Perron
Maroon bozak steen
Barbashev Thomas soshnikov

Edmundson pietrangelo
Gunnarson parayko
Boumeester Dunn


11 Jul 2018 19:35:06
Cue redwing.

11 Jul 2018 21:29:44
Skinner makes 5.75 mil

Fabbri makes .975
Jaskin makes 1.1 mil

Blues have 3.5 Mil left to sign Edmondson and Schmaltz

So -2 mil for Fabbri Jaskin makes Skinner cost3.75 which is more than blues have and means they lose their #1lhd and #3 Rhd for skinner who is another lhs left wing.

Currently Blues have the following LHS lw

Rather keep edmundson and Fabbri and cap.

09 Jul 2018 05:02:08
Blues trade: Allen, steen, Fabbri, Shmaltz, 1st round pick

Canadiens trade: Price, Scherbak

Fair? Someone said they needed a goalie for a deep run

09 Jul 2018 05:46:31
Blues don't need nor want price. His contract is aweful.

09 Jul 2018 14:33:48
Price is the best goalie in the nhl blues would instantly be a contender. So colt don’t you wanna see a championship.

09 Jul 2018 17:13:58
Price doesn't own that title anymore. Hasn't for two season. One of the worst contracts in the league. No goalie is worth that. Especially considering his age at the moment and for the duration of that contract.

09 Jul 2018 17:28:42
Yah Saint Louis should take that maybe Montreal retains a million or 2 but it’s not bad. Price is the best goalie.

09 Jul 2018 19:16:34
Come on, price s% last year was .900, way below league average and only getting older, one of, if not the worst contracts in the league. Got paid for what he did for a couple great years and average at best since.

09 Jul 2018 21:15:23
I’m not the biggest Price fan and the contract is ridiculous, but he instantly makes a lot of teams in the league contenders.

09 Jul 2018 21:25:42
Edm would have to retain 50% to work with current team structure. Fyi he is not the best goalie in the league not anymore. After last two seasons mtl needs to curve their expectations.

Bad contract + poor performance

= untouchable.

09 Jul 2018 22:03:08
Lol what sort of Price bias do you guys have. Yes he's had a bad season but other than that he singlehandledly made the habs a playoffs team. Goalies don't regress that much and especially not with Carey Price's talent. You guys clearly haven't watched him play a whole lot.

09 Jul 2018 22:39:13
He's a fantastic goalie, for sure, But no go goalie in the league ink using him is worth $10.5M. Maybe he was worth that for two single seasons like 3/ 4 seasons ago. But not now for 8 more seasons. Yes he's a great goalie, I've never once said he isn't. $7.5/ 8M tops great tho.

09 Jul 2018 00:30:05
Blues trade: Fabbri

Canadiens trade: Pacioretty

Not too sure of the value here with fabbri's injuries and Paciorettys last Season. But I think it benefits both teams

Schwartz Schenn Tarasenko
Pacioretty O'Reilly Perron
Thomas Bozak Steen
Jaskin Barbashev Soshnikov

Edmundson Pietrangelo
Gunnarson parayko
Boumeester Dunn


Could go for a good run? Don't ya think?

09 Jul 2018 02:25:23
Need to upgrade Allan for a deep run.

09 Jul 2018 02:36:56
Think they gave up on pacioretty when they got O'Reilly, but a maybe I guess.

09 Jul 2018 04:11:13
They can trade for price too if they want.

09 Jul 2018 04:27:22
Habby i'm starting to agree with your trade Price idea. With Weber out for a few months as well, it may be a good time to get a nice haul for Price and rebuild. Price is in his prime and a change of scenery could be exactly what he needs. I think his value is still very high as they do not need to trade him. Even if he has struggled as of late, he is still a top 10 goalie in the nhl IMO. Even if he carried the team on his back to the playoffs, they are not contenders right now. Start the rumours!

09 Jul 2018 04:50:59
Price for Mcdavid, Draisaitil, Pulajajarvi, 3 1sts.

09 Jul 2018 05:32:08
Blues add.

09 Jul 2018 05:49:11
Blues won't trade fabbri at 975k and rag control for patches. Also unless you retain blues don't need prices bad contract.

09 Jul 2018 13:37:24
Haha redwing is sooo colt.

06 Jul 2018 14:41:28
It's very simple the leafs need a RH defenceman! St Louis needs a RW this could be a match made in heaven
TML - Nylander, 2nd 2019
STL - Parayako
I guarantee if the leafs make this trade they win the cup

06 Jul 2018 16:05:37
No from Saint Louis imo unless if they’re actually willing to trade Paryanko and in that case good deal but I’ve read the rumours and I believe teams asked about Paryanko at the draft but they were shut down.

06 Jul 2018 16:27:00
I don’t think it’s bad. I would hate trading Nylander because I believe he could be great. But parayko is what leafs need and you don’t get good players trading junk. I’d do it.

06 Jul 2018 19:09:59
Why would st. Louis do that. They have Thomas, kyrou tarasenko on the right wing. They will be fine. No need to hurt our defense for that. Sorry.

06 Jul 2018 19:34:33
Not enough for Parayko.

06 Jul 2018 19:48:13
Leafs17 it’s enough for him value wise but as redwing said It does not help the blues they're already stacked at the RW.

06 Jul 2018 20:43:09
I don’t know vbb’s. The guy is a stud. Let alone a RH beast of a defenseman. I love Nylander but I’d do it in a heart beat.

06 Jul 2018 21:27:57
Actually it's not enough. A winger does not have the same value as a rhd with 35 40 pts. Besides we have tarasenko perron kyrou Thomas on right nylander is not needed.

06 Jul 2018 22:51:19
Redwing - "No need to hurt our defense for that, sorry"

With a name like redwing and saying "our" in a blues trade like that, you aren't fooling anyone original Colt.

07 Jul 2018 02:35:49
No you’re not fooling anyone Colt. Being online, I really don’t understand why people try and hide and make new accounts. If people would stop being so extremely bias and hate on every other team, maybe you could gain respect from people and not have to go into hiding.

07 Jul 2018 03:13:38
He hasn't really played center at all so i'm going to say Nylander is a wingers. Wingers and defencemen don't HAVE THE SAME VALUE. Especially when the defencemen is as good as Parayko at that age. No from STL

07 Jul 2018 05:21:25
@Franchise Billy: no one on this thread said that Nylander was a centre, everyone acknowledged him as a RW. Also it was said that D are worth more than wingers. Don’t know what the ALL CAPS reminding us of that is for lol.

07 Jul 2018 05:30:34
Nylander has the potential to be a star. Paryanko is a stud but I look at this trade as a young Phil Kessel who got Seguin and Hamilton for A sad mans prime Shea Weber.

Nylander can be a PPG player. Was on pace to out produce Sanko mid way through the season but no I agree blues don’t make this trade but leafs do.

07 Jul 2018 06:56:58
Ubiased jim i didn't even read what he said i just saw the trade and spat milk outta my tiddies

07 Jul 2018 22:57:01
Do I rant like that guy did seriously.

02 Jul 2018 02:38:12
Confirmed trade:

Buffalo- Ryan O'Rielly

Saint Louis- Patrick Berglund, Vladimir Sobotka, Tage Thompson, 2019 1st and 2021 2nd

My opinion is it's a great trade for saint Louis and a good trade for Buffalo. Berglund and Sobotka have a little bit of value but they were included for cap reasons they will bring good depth for the Sabres. Tage Thompson looks like a promising prospect with potential to step right in the line up. The 1st and 2nd add more value. Ryan O'Rielly is a true number one Center and one of the best 2 way players in the game. He will be a big addition to the Blues a Schwartz-O'Rielly-Taresanko will be fun to watch. O'Rielly clearly wasn't fitting in, in Buffalo

02 Jul 2018 04:21:08
I don't think he is a true number 1 center but a real good number 2. Buffalo did we'll in the deal but St. Louis didn't have to give up Thomas or kyrou to get him so it's ok for them too I guess. If blues get real good goaltending they might make a run at it this year.

02 Jul 2018 05:03:38
He’s a top 30c in the NHL probably top 20. So he’s a 1st line c.

02 Jul 2018 06:57:09
Yeah I'm sure he can play 1st line center but he's not what I would consider a true number 1.

02 Jul 2018 07:33:12
I think blues won this trade.

Also Schwartz and schenn have ridiculous chemistry together. Lines could be as follows

Fabbri O'Reilly tarasenko
Schwartz schenn kyrou
Perron bozak Thomas
Steen barbashev jaskin soshnikov

Edds petro
Dunn parayko
Jaybo schmaltz borts.

02 Jul 2018 17:08:02
It was a lot to gget be up for sure. When I saw the final trade a assumes that meant Buffalo was paying the 7.5 mill signing bonus owed yesterday. For them to get all that plus blues paid the bonus. great job. But from blues perspective, they got a really good centre while minimizing what roster players and top prospects left. Getting bozak without giving up assets obviously helps that.

02 Jul 2018 21:54:11
Also blues save 1 mil on the cap.

03 Jul 2018 03:41:11
Bringing david perron back into the mix as well should help.

20 Jun 2018 17:30:52
Read this in an article:

Oil: Klefbom + 10th + Benson

Blues: Parayko + Kyrou.

20 Jun 2018 19:31:00
Don’t see why blues do it unless they’re certain they need the little extra cap savings in a tavares deal or something. Kyrou would have more value than benson at this point, and parayko is a top pair RHD at 5.5 mill. Only 1.5 mill cap and No age gap between him and klefbom. Don’t see the point unless it’s got other implications in another move.

20 Jun 2018 20:19:30
Kyrou for sure has more value than Benson I’ll agree on that. And yeah when I first saw this I wasn’t sure if that would be enough for blues to accept. But I can see klefbom being on the top pairing with petro (when healthy) and blues could have some interest getting that top 10 pick. But I agree I think oilers would need to add little something more as well.

20 Jun 2018 20:23:42
Take out benson and add puljujarvi and it's closer but probably still not enough.

20 Jun 2018 21:11:05
Puljujärvi for Benson could actually be just enough.

20 Jun 2018 21:49:11
Ya, Oilers would have to add. but not sure if it is the right base. After STL traded Stasney away, i thought Kyrou was going to be on their radar for center. I was going to say take out Kyrou, but i just don't see Colt getting tradded.

20 Jun 2018 21:50:12
Wow add Drais and it’s still not even close Paryanko is going nowhere he is the only dman with potential to be better then Dahlin. It would take someone like Mathews or Eichel to get him.

20 Jun 2018 22:16:30
Blues fans will not part with Parayko unless they are getting Drais bacK

Also Klefboom sucked last year. Why would you put a worse offensive dman with petro
you wouldn't you would put a tough as nails Edmondson on his line. This trade does nothing for the blues
They don't need to worry about 1.5 mil in cap and get a 10oa pick and lose your second best dman and best rw prospect
your team has. So then should klef move to the right. This trade makes zero sense.

Per Blues fans if drais isn't coming back then parayko isn't leaving.

20 Jun 2018 22:26:27
Per Blues management and Fan base the following players are not available.

Thomas, Kyrou,

NHL players:
Petro, Tarasenko, Schwartz, Schenn, Parayko, Dunn, Edmondson,

Per management Blues fan base the following are Very Unlikely to be traded

Thompson, Kostin, Walman

If the blues make a trade Gaurantee the non-availables will not be moved.

20 Jun 2018 23:40:53
Id say Klefbom + Puljujärvi + 10th Overall would be enough for Parayko. i'd take that as a flames/blues fan

20 Jun 2018 23:44:59
My statement was an over exaggeration if you add Drais it’s definitely Intriguing but the blues would rather trade Petro.

21 Jun 2018 02:23:19
Parayko is really good vbbbvvbb. But he doesn't get eichel or matthews but I agree stl is not trading him any time soon.

21 Jun 2018 03:24:24
I honestly don't see what's so special about parayko. Dougie Hamilton is better offensively and not as good defensively but the same size and handness but everybody says Hamilton couldn't fetch Marner but Parayko can fetch Matthews?! I don't get it.

Dougie Hamilton, RHD 6'6
25 Yrs Old
(Last season)
GP:81 G:13 A:37 P:50 +/- | 12
(This season)
GP:82 G:17 A:27 P:44 +/- | 1

Colton Parayko, RHD 6'6
25 Yrs Old
(Last season)
GP:81 G:4 A:31 P:35 +/- | 7
(This season)
GP:82 G:6 A:29 P:35 +/- | -7

21 Jun 2018 03:41:54
Haha okay forgot parayko is best dman in show wow vb.

21 Jun 2018 07:04:37
Lol what articles do you get these from? Such a joke.
Parayko > 10th
Kyrou >> Benson.

21 Jun 2018 16:12:53
Not saying I’d trade Mathews for Paryanko as a leafs fan because Marner/ Mathews are untouchable but if I were the Blues GM the starting point for Paryanko would be a young Elite 1C. He’d be the last player on the Blues I’d trade. Paryanko is a young Shea Weber who can skate 2x as fast but just needs to utilize his shot I strongly believe Paryanko dosent excel with the Blues coaching staff. He really needs to use is shot more often on the PP and he’d be in the 50-60 Point Catagory.

18 Jun 2018 18:08:34
Oil: 10th overall

Dallas: Honka

Seen some talk of Honka on the block (honestly idk why, but what iv seen)? And with Heiskanen coming over next year maybe they are willing to part with Honka.
Is the Value there?

18 Jun 2018 19:29:35
Honka and Kappanen are similar tier prospects wouldn’t say they are worth the 10th overall.

18 Jun 2018 23:00:33
Hmm I wonder if Dallas actually has him on the block or not then, and what they’d expect for a return.

19 Jun 2018 04:02:16
Honka + for Pulj possibly.

19 Jun 2018 12:23:52
Just stop! Oilers will value pulj as the 3rd overall, he still has the potential to be a 1st liner . honka for pulj Will never happend.

21 Jun 2018 21:43:26
Nah Dallas dosnt touch Honka for pul yet alone adding lol.

07 Jun 2018 13:10:04
New York Islanders: John Tavares

Saint Louis Blues: Conditional pick 3rd round pick * 2019

* Becomes a 1st round 2019 if Tavares signs with the Blues.

Saint Louis is in desperate need for a 1st line Center and Tavares would turn them from a mediocre team to a cup contender. New York Islanders essentially get a free pick.

07 Jun 2018 14:45:44
Wow lol. at least my Tavares to sens rumor was respectable. a 3rd might get them his jock strap but that's it. and a late 1st is nowhere near enough.

07 Jun 2018 15:43:50
Nothing you post is respectable.

07 Jun 2018 16:19:16
This is the dumbest post iv seen in a while and that says a lot. JT for a 3rd lmao.

07 Jun 2018 16:38:50
Gonna take a lot more than that jus to get the rights to sign him, and that's a huge gamble. As much as I like Tavares, i'm not sure parting with assets, for a 1 in probably 10 chance is going to be worth it.

07 Jun 2018 21:15:24
This post is just a reaction to what people have been posting UFA rights are worthless guys there is no was a team will send a 1st round pick for a player they can get for free.

Would you rather pay 1 million dollars for a house right now? Or get it for free a month later?

John Tavares is a great player but why give up assets for something you can get for free and may lose for nothing. I doubt a team would be willing to pay a 1st honestly you guys extremely overrate the rights of UFA.

09 Jun 2018 11:48:53
It's just for his rights. Giving up a mid pick for an extra few weeks to try and convince a player like that to sign to your team could be worth it. That's all. It's not a for sure thing he would sign there.
And ya, Rambone, You post the most crazy Sens biased posts ever. Not one to call someone out there man.

03 Jun 2018 03:31:12
Jake Gardiner (D - 4.2 Million x 1 Year; Extension - 5.25 Million x 4 Years) + Jeremy Bracco (RW -ELC) + 2018 1st Round Draft Selection (#25) to the Edmonton Oilers in exchange for Matt Benning (D - RFA; Extension - 2.4 Million x 4 Years) + 2018 1st Round Draft Selection (#10).

- Edmonton upgrades bigtime on defence, and gets their true offensive dman, who, if played on the top PP unit, could be a perennial 50-60 point man as McDavid’s point man. He may be suspect defensively, but that's because he doesn’t have support on defence; Edmonton has Darnell Nurse that can compliment Gardiner’s ‘wild’ style well.
- Toronto downgrades in general in defence, but gets a dman of need: a more defensively sound dman. They upgrade in terms of picks, and thus, that pick can be traded for more defensive assets for the ‘now’.

2018 1st Round Draft Selection (#10 - From Edmonton) + Calvin Pickard (G - 1.0 Million x 1 Year) to the Los Angeles Kings in exchange for Jake Muzzin (D - 4.0 Million x 2 Years) .

- Los Angeles, despite being involved in Phil Kessel trade rumors, should really be looking at a solid rebuild, and should be trading some of their veterans in order to acquire higher picks. They also acquire a decently young backup goalie who could probably fetch decent value at the 2019 trade deadline.
- Toronto acquires their true top pairing shutdown dman. Muzzins older than most of Toronto’s team, but he provides excellent shutdown prowess, and a solid veteran presence. Muzzin is not necessarily a household name, but he's a solid, veteran dman who would improve Toronto vastly.

(Basically, Gardiner + Bracco + Pickard + #25 for Muzzin + Benning; imo, that's not too far off, Gardiner [w. extension] + #25 gets Muzzin, Bracco and Pickard gets Benning)

Free Agency:
Austin Czarnik - 1.5 Million x 3 Years
Michael Kempny - 2.2 Million x 2 Years
Patrick Maroon - 3.0 Million x 1 Year

William Nylander - 6.0 Million x 7 Years
Andreas Johnsson - 2.25 Million x 4 Years

Zach Hyman - Auston Matthews - William Nylander
Patrick Marleau - Nazem Kadri - Mitchell Marner
Andreas Johnsson - Austin Czarnik - Kasperi Kapanen
Patrick Maroon - Par Lindholm - Connor Brown

Jake Muzzin - Nikita Zaitsev
Morgan Rielly - Matt Benning
Ron Hainsey/ Michael Kempny - Travis Dermott

Frederik Andersen
Garrett Sparks.

03 Jun 2018 12:35:00
Edm doesn't need another LEFT handed D man. Come on people. Nurse. Klefbom. Russell. Sekera. Now Gardiner? And Matt Benning isn't good enough for your second pairing.
Oilers aren't giving you 10th overall for leftie Gardiner. Sorry.

03 Jun 2018 12:36:19
I would just rather trade it for Muzzin than Gardiner. Lol.

03 Jun 2018 13:09:34
I see where your coming from, but a lot of articles that I’ve read, at least for Toronto, aaid that although a #1 RHD is a priority, a #1 d in general is a priority, albeit RHD or LHD. because you can try and play people off-hand. Should be the same with Edmonton, a 1 offensive dman should be their number 1 priority, because a #1 RHD offensive dman limits the amount of players, and often, you’d find RHD worth more simply because of this. I’m pretty sure you can get players to play offhand and it won't be too bad tbh, but idk.

But Gardiner and 25 for 10 isn't that bad, is it?

03 Jun 2018 13:37:03
I’d rather keep the 10th overall rather then trade it for Muzzin. Also I agree with yup on this one Edmonton is pretty stacked with LHD although he’d instantly become their top pp dman. Gardiner would be on the Bottom pairing with sheltered offensive zone starts.

09 May 2018 17:57:03
Not sure of Mins needs but here we go.

STL- Barbashev, 2nd 2018

Min- Eric Staal.

09 May 2018 23:44:34
Staal is old i'm not sure if i'd give up Barbasehev for him. Ya he's been great in the last 2 years but still for a 34 year old center to get a 20 year old venter and a center is a reach unless you're talking deadline wich is an steep but I guess ok pricr to pay. If Nash got a rubbish ton maybe its not out of the question.

10 May 2018 01:27:26
I think Minnesota can get more he’s scored 40 Goals last season and was a near PPG player on a great contrac.

15 May 2018 04:44:30
Ufa with a great season. 2nd round pick in super deep draft and a rfa center capable of playing 2/ 3c.

08 May 2018 12:19:54
Matt Martin
Connor Carrick
STL 4th 2019

Matt Hunwick
Riley Sheahan

Hunwick didn't do well in steel city but Babcock liked him in Toronto. His cap hit is an issue so the Leafs send Matt Martin (after July 1) the other way. Carrick takes the 6/7D spot. Sheahan was also Babcock's favourite and could serve as the bottom C the Leafs need. Since Sheahan's value is higher than Carrick's, the Leafs add middle round draft pick.

09 May 2018 04:42:49
I'd rather have Carrick over Hunwick. Leafs LD is solid, they need all the help they can get on the right side. Carrick is a serviceable bottom pairing defenseman who is younger and better than Hunwick. The leafs just signed Par Lindholm and also have Miro Aaltonen who will be battling it out for 4C, who, IMO are both younger more offensively talented than Sheahan. Martin can be moved another way, this is a no from Toronto.

30 Apr 2018 05:00:10
to Philadelphia

to St Louis

Hutton is a UFA so Philadelphia gets his rights; I don't think St Louis is prepared to pay him


to Ottawa

to Philadelphia

Another trading of rights. Ottawa really shouldn't go into next season with Condon, and Anderson is getting to the end of the line.

30 Apr 2018 05:15:03
Wtf lol why not just keep mrazek.

30 Apr 2018 06:03:29
. because hutton is an upgrade?

30 Apr 2018 06:05:49
hutton would be the presumable starter, talbot/ darling style.

30 Apr 2018 06:13:19
I don’t think so dude.

30 Apr 2018 07:18:47
hutton had a .931 and a 2.09 in 32 games, going 26-17-7, meaning of the 94 points the blues got this season, hutton got 59 of them in fewer than half the games. I'm pretty sure he's a starting-caliber goalie.

30 Apr 2018 10:46:45
"Wtf lol why not just keep mrazek"

Because Philadelphia would have to qualify him at around $4MM and give Detroit another 3rd round pick. Plus, Mrazek sucks.

30 Apr 2018 15:56:26
If Hutton is a capable starter why is he only worth a 5th?

30 Apr 2018 17:09:59
Alright didn’t know his numbers or cap but still doesn’t make too much sense. Mrazek was also started on Detroit and looked to be their future goalie so idk what happened to him. And then yeah if Hutton is so great no way a 5th will get him they are going to look for atleast a 2nd plus just like the price tag for Talbot.

30 Apr 2018 17:16:28
because they are just trading the rights to sign him; it happens all the time.

29 Apr 2018 19:37:36
to St Louis

to Buffalo

29 Apr 2018 21:47:49
Why would buffalo do that.

30 Apr 2018 00:24:23
Because any team would make the playoffs with those studs. oh wait!

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