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17 Oct 2018 12:16:01
BIG Oilers Shakeup;


Oilers: Marchessault

VGK: Lucic, B Prospect (Larkin)

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Oilers: Smith, 2020 3rd round pick

OTT: Strome

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Oilers: Parayko, 2020 3rd round pick

STL: Yamamoto, Benning, 2019 1st round pick (Top 10 Protected)

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Oilers: Nylander

TO: Larsson, Caggiula

17 Oct 2018 13:21:45
Lol Vegas laughs.
No reason for STL to do that.
Not sure I like Smith more than Strome right now. Lucic - Strome - Yamamoto we put together as a third line last night and looked good, had some good chances and I hope that third line sticks for a bit because Drake and Puljujarvi looked good with Drai as well.
And Leafs fans will laugh and bring up Hall and just say that deal sucks because it's for Oilers players.

17 Oct 2018 13:44:47
The 1st trade is terrible for Vegas.

17 Oct 2018 14:43:23
Vegas laughs at you.

Ottawa deal is okay, but i don't think EDM does ir.

If Parayko>>Nylander, that won’t get him either.

Id take thatdeal for Ny imo.

17 Oct 2018 16:50:06
Brutal for Vegas
Dumb for oilers
Easy no from St. Louis
Could see leafs interested.

17 Oct 2018 17:51:36
Oliers don't look good at all what are talk about.

17 Oct 2018 22:47:49
Ya .500 2-2 on a tough road trip Vs tough spinners to start the season. Looking anbsolitly terrible. They should have like 10 wins by now. 4 games into the season. Chill.
Gotta get through the next 6 games vs 100 point teams and then all will hopefully be fine. Very very tough start to the season.

17 Oct 2018 22:31:17
Why is that every shake up for a Canadian team includes parayko for a bunch of crap. seriously

I have stated this on hfboards last fee days and I will state it here.

At the moment defense is an issue for blues. They will not be trading parayko for a mediocre prospect, a small middle six forward and first in 2020 because oilers are goijng to be in bottom 10.

Just stop with parayko.

17 Oct 2018 22:33:29
That Vegas one is terrible lol marchessault has 134 pts in his last 159 games, 27 years old and signed for $5 mill for the next 6 years. lucic is 30, has 86 pts in his last 168 games and makes $6mill for 4 more years. I know points isn’t everything and Lucic does other things that marchessault just can’t, but in today’s NHL the difference between the 2 is not a B prospect lol talks last off-season were it would cost an A prospect or that 2018 1st rounder to ditch Lucics contract. How do you think you can ditch it and get back a far better/ younger player for half the price?!

18 Oct 2018 15:33:18
Yeah I'd have to agree with jim here the Vegas trade is horrendous marchessault is arguably Vegas best player.

14 Oct 2018 23:14:17
Time to stir things up. Something original and outside the box.

Leafs sign Nylander 8x$7.5
Leafs sign Gardiner 5x$6.5

Leafs trade Marner, picks/ prospects
Buffalo trades Dahlin

Leafs trade Rielly
St. Louis trades Parayko

Marleau/ Matthews/ Kapanen
Hyman/ Tavares/ Nylander
Lindholm/ Kadri/ Brown
Johnsson/ Gauthier/ (Leivo)

Dahlin/ Parayko
Gardiner/ Zaitsev
Dermott/ Hainsey
*Ozhiganov
(Sandin/ Liljegren)
(Rasanen)

15 Oct 2018 00:02:55
Unless the picks and prospects going to buffalo are Liljegren Sandin and marner to don’t think buffalo considers this. they need defence more than another small skilled forward.

15 Oct 2018 00:39:58
So easy no from Buffalo.
As for St. Louis trade, interesting because of the weaker left side they have on D and Rielly + Petro could be a nice pairing but I’m going to say no from St. Louis due to command of what Parayko brings.

15 Oct 2018 01:24:38
Id rather keep Rielly, and Buffalo would never do that, they need d more than offense.

15 Oct 2018 01:53:13
Dont like any of it. Especially Gardiner for 5 more years.

15 Oct 2018 04:59:04
I figured one of the prospects would have to be Sandin. Yes. Just was hoping to keep him so when we trade Gardiner in a few years, Sandin would be 3LHD. No way I would be giving them Liljegren too. A 1st maybe and that would be max.

Marner would look good in Buffalo playing with the young guns they got over there. A core of Eichel, Reinhardt, Marner, Middlestadt, Nylander, and Skinner is very attractive.

15 Oct 2018 05:13:24
Yes but having Eichel, Reinhart, Middlestadt, Nylander, Skinner and Dahlin is even more attractive.
Such an easy no from Buffalo, a no, while laughing at Dubas on the phone. But Dubas would never even ask such a trade anyways he's smarter than that.

15 Oct 2018 07:25:38
@yupp

Drinking again tonight are we? You’re troll game is strong here. Marner for a prospect, no matter how good is a high risk/ high reward trade that Leafs would never make. And that’s why Dubas would never make the call to begin with.

Marner as setup man for Tavares or Matthews could be hitting 80-90 points this year. A long shot to compete for Art Ross Trophy, it still wouldn’t be inconceivable in a few years, as Marner will be a perennial top 10 producer in the league.

Not sure why Buffalo wouldn’t want a player on the team that could set up Eichel or Reinhart for 40+ goals a year like he is doing for Tavares right now in Toronto. Marner would be the best player on the team. Reinhart and Eichel are underperformers and need an elite winger to reach the next level.

15 Oct 2018 11:24:56
Think for Buffalo to consider getting rid of Dahlin you'd have to start with J. T. or Matthews and go from there. franchise player for franchise player?

15 Oct 2018 13:17:50
The only one drinking is the one who suggests Buffalo might trade Dahlin who they JUST drafted 1st overall and is a perfect fit for the team who was weak on D.

15 Oct 2018 14:13:20
Marner most definitely would not be the best player on buffalo also.

15 Oct 2018 19:53:08
@mcjesus, I’m on board with saying buffalo doesn’t make that trade lol they’re keeping Dahlin. But Marner/ Eichel could be a good debate. Eichel has had a cpl injuries, but when healthy has been great (.84 pts per game) . Marner has been healthier, played a season less, and had Stints on the 4th line (.85 pts per game) . Just read a stat today actually from the day he was promoted from the 4th line last season, including the 7 game series vs the bruins and the start of this year, in 53 games he has 28 goals and 42 assists for 70 pts. That’s a torrid pace. Obviously Eichel is that 1C that is going to garner more interest and gets a value advantage, but I don’t think putting them in a conversation together is that crazy.

16 Oct 2018 05:47:38
Are you all insane? Marner would easily be the best player on Buffalo. The Leafs would laugh at this and would never trade Marner or Matthews as they are untouchable as are Reilly and Tavares. As good as Eichel is he in my mind is still a gamble for me at 10 million a season over 8 years as he often gets injured and has not played a full season. As for Dahlin, I am not sold on this player as a franchise player. He may turn into a capable defender, only time will tell.

16 Oct 2018 14:04:47
@NylanderMagic. I’m soldnon Dahlin and he will be far more than a capable defender lol.

11 Oct 2018 04:15:07
Leafs trade Nylander, Kadri
Philly trades Provorov, Patrick, Gudas, Lehtera (cap dump)

Leafs trade Reilly
Blues trade Parayko

Marleau/ Matthews/ Kapanen
Hyman/ Tavares/ Marner
Johnsson/ Patrick/ Brown
Lehtera/ Lindholm/ Leivo

Provorov/ Parayko
Gardiner/ Zaitsev
Dermott/ Gudas
*Hainsey
(Sandin/ Liljegren)
(Rasanen)

I think Leafs should trade Reilly before his NTC kicks in. Otherwise when he re-signs, we could be looking at upwards of $9M+ (using OEL as comparable) .

11 Oct 2018 04:52:26
Parayko makes 500k more than Rielly for the next 4 years and then becomes a UFA the same time. They will both get massive raises unless something bad happens to one of them between now and then.

11 Oct 2018 05:39:06
Huh? Why you think Patrick in any world gets traded?

11 Oct 2018 05:47:30
Yes, but Parayko doesn’t have NTC, so we can still deal him before deadline final year of his contract and earn a return. With Reilly it’s hold him and lose him for nothing.

11 Oct 2018 05:59:53
Kadri vs Patrick

Why Philly makes this trade:

This is a win now trade for Philly. Kadri is still currently the better player, and will be for a few years yet. Patrick is obviously very talented, but still has something to prove. Kadri suits Philly’s hard nose style of play and would fit their system. Philly gets an experienced center on good contract that can play shut down role and can pop in 30+ points.

Why Leafs make this trade:

We don’t need Kadri so much because we have Tavares and Matthews. It’s a bit of a cost cutting manoeuvre as Patrick is still on ELC for a couple more years. Helps us avoid a real cash crunch next year. A high end prospect player that could be long term replacement for Tavares. Basically, we take a slight downgrade at 3C to improve our defense. We improve overall as a team.

11 Oct 2018 06:08:07
Typo: supposed to say Kadri pops in 30+ goals.

11 Oct 2018 11:40:48
I don't think Philly trades Prov unless its a vast overpayment. Prov is going to be a top5 dman in the league. lots of analysts are saying it too.

11 Oct 2018 13:18:12
The leafs don’t need Gudas, they already have Holl, Ozhiganov, and potentially Hainsey, no need for another depth defenceman
Also, I would rather keep Rielly and have him instead of Provorov, with the way he is playing lately I think he could be a Norris trophy winner.

11 Oct 2018 14:58:52
Not even close, Provorov is worth a ton more than Nylander.

11 Oct 2018 15:32:16
Rielly doesn’t have a NTC either. Couldn’t you just keep him till the final year and trade him the same?

11 Oct 2018 15:54:28
@topshelfslappers

I guess my thinking is after Philly loses Simmond’s this year, they will need a long term replacement. Nylander would be a nice fit. And Philly has lots of defensive depth. One of the best in the league. They can afford to move Provorov and still be stacked at the blue line. What would you offer for Provorov?

@mostleaf

Read TopShelfSlapers comment. Provorov himself may one day be a Norris candidate himself. Provorov has a higher ceiling than Reilly and is younger and will be cheaper to sign after his ELC I’m sure. We absolutely won’t be able to re-sign Reilly once his contract is up. As for Gudas. We don’t have anyone that is anywhere close to being the heavy hitter he is. Holl, Hainsey, Ozhiganov. All those guys are plugs. Gudas is better than any of them. He averages well over 200 hits a year, and one year recorded a whopping 300 hits. He’s a defensive defenseman that can be used anywhere in the lineup. I just plugged him third line beside Dermott because I didn’t dump Zaitsev in this trade.

To all who replied. Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate the comments. It’s always good to get insight from others.

Go Leafs.

11 Oct 2018 16:46:18
Leafs GM I don’t think you can predict that 4 years from now the leafs won’t be able to resign Reilly. A lot can happen between now and then, starting with letting Gardiner walk.

11 Oct 2018 17:56:51
@unbiasedjim

Rielly has a modified NTC the last two years of his contract. It would limit the teams we could trade him too and restrict the return.

@Leafs17

Over the next 4 years, we have to re-sign Rielly, Kadri, Dermott, Sandin, Andersen, Liljegren, Hyman, Brown, and maybe someone I’m missing. Rielly will be the most expensive piece by far. Not sure how we can afford him plus all those other guys.

12 Oct 2018 02:52:25
Provorov, Jones, Dahlin and Maybe Eklblad are the future of D in the NHL he has more value then Nylander.

1. Take out Patrick and it’s closer

2. Rielly>Paryanko do you see how good he’s playing now? No way the leafs trade him.

12 Oct 2018 04:00:10
Considering the leafs defense is their weakest point, I’d think Reilly would come before half those guys. Too early to tell.

24 Sep 2018 22:29:58
If Bobrovsky for some reason gets traded, I think St. Louis would have a ton of interest, they lost Hutton and Allen may start the season on the IR, so it could be smart for them, with all of their forward depth they could very much do it.

To St.Louis:
Bobrovsky, Milano
To Columbus:
Steen, Allen, conditional 2021 2nd (turns into 2021 first if Bobrovsky re-signs), Barbashev

Just a thought, probably not going to happen but may as well speculate, Korpisalo may be ready for the starting role anyway

25 Sep 2018 03:54:02
Take out Milano and Barbashev and add Kyrou from St. Louis, that makes it more fair.

25 Sep 2018 05:49:03
I was going to say idk why Columbus would accept that tbh.

25 Sep 2018 12:56:19
Goalie Bobbi's considered by many the best goalie in the league. It will take more than and older winger with a high price tag in Steen, Mediocre goalie in Allen and just a 2nd with the condition.

25 Sep 2018 17:12:28
Bobs is a great goalie. But he is not worth losing Kyrou, Thomas ect for him. I also agree that steen, Allen, and 2nd do not get you bob.

I don't think a trade like this can work. The blues no longer have cap dump type players and would be losing core players plus highend prospects for a guy they won't be able to afford to resign next year. At this time it is sink or swim with allen. Blues already have three young goalies (Husso, Binnginton, Fitzpatrick) that had fantastic seasons last year. With husso leading the pack and already have a great preseason he will be the first call up to back up Chad Johnson if allen can't handle it.

The blues added much needed offense with ROR, Perron, Maroon and rookies contributing like Thomas/ kyrou. The defense is going to get better with Dunn and Edds parayko hitting their primes, Another year of petro. With that fabbri will be returning. So if allen can figure it out we should be fine

sorry for the rant. Long story short, there is not a trade to be made. Blues cap will not allow it and loss of great ELC rookies on the cheap contracts will be needed with some journey men and vets getting raises.

25 Sep 2018 17:28:31
If it’s trade deadline and he is for sure not coming back, they will take whatever. Remember Bishop being dealt from TB to LA at the deadline when he wasn’t coming back? I know Bob is better than bishop, but was still Looked at as a top 5 goalie by a lot of people and got next to nothing in a similar situation.

16 Sep 2018 08:06:28
TOR: Nylander, Gardiner, Bracco, '19 1st

STL: Parayko, Jaskin, '20 2nd

thoughts ?

16 Sep 2018 12:21:30
It’s probably fair but most people feel like Saint Louis needs defense more then forwards. Nylander could be the 1C, 1LW or 2rw besides O’Rielly. It makes perfect sense from the Leafs POV but the question is if Saint Louis wants to move Paryanko for a Dynamic player like Nylander.

16 Sep 2018 15:51:27
Beside O’Rielly*.

16 Sep 2018 18:53:33
There is not a need for nylander. Army took care of our biggest need in center by acquiring ror and bozak while not trading Thomas or kyrou. With that said we also acquired a 60pt right winger in free agency. At the moment we do not have a Dman that can replace or come close to replacing what parayko can do as the 2rhd. So trading him would not be in our best interest. The offer has been the best yet but there are a few issues with offer.

1) we have 5 forward prospects That are better than bracco
2) Gardiner is of a next year and lhd which we have Edmondson, Dunn, jaybo, gunner, walman Nicola.
3) blues are at cap nylander will require 6+ per year and Gardiner gets like 5 ibthink cap won't work.
4) You don't trade #1 xmen for wingers.

16 Sep 2018 21:07:52
Parayko is an Xman. That's pretty sick.

16 Sep 2018 23:26:03
Oh snap didn't see that autocorrect lol.

17 Sep 2018 01:01:27
Hahaha. It's funny how this site can edit swear words but can't find super obvious mistakes like "dman" from xmen.
Always makes me laugh.
And I always have lots of mistakes from thumb mashing on my phone. Lol.

14 Sep 2018 21:15:40
Tor) Nylander
Stl) Parayko

14 Sep 2018 21:52:26
I like Nylander, but, Parayko has more value straight up. A RHD like him on a good contract is more valuable than a winger.

14 Sep 2018 22:11:34
That’s the Dman I would want for Nylander. A lot better fit than Stephen Johns and P. K. subban on opposite ends of the spectrum lol. That being said, Yupp is right and blues would want something more. Depending what the add was, it might not make sense for leafs anymore. They love their team, with Nylander on it. If he doesn’t work out then they would be happy to get a stud Dman obviously as long as it doesn’t remove more pieces from the curerent roster and create multiple holes to fill one.

14 Sep 2018 22:55:48
That would be the d man I’d want too. No way StLouis trades him unless it’s a massive overpayment.

14 Sep 2018 23:25:10
I'm not sure the blues would actually want more but I don't think they make this move right now due to the fact they have pretty good forward depth and are probably banking on Thomas and kyrou to add to that. trading parayko leaves them with a big hole on d where they are not as stacked as they are at forward. If I'm the leafs and the blues some way want to trade paryako I don't add much if anything nylander for parayko ( depending on nylanders new contract) is pretty fair value wise.

13 Sep 2018 20:37:55
All along I said the leafs wouldn't trade Nylander but I'm taking that back now by contradicting myself and putting my bias aside with this realistic Nylander proposal.

Any Nylander deal would need to meet this Critera.

A. Western Conference team

B. Low salary coming back

C. A RHD

Side note- apparently the Leafs were talking about Paryanko with stl but that's a pipe dream

Dallas acquires- William Nylander

Leafs acquire- Stephan Jones, 1st round 2019 and 2nd round 2020

Leafs- they'll have to move him for something. Jones could be good with Rielly.

Dallas- gets a 21 year old 1st line winger/ possible C who has potential to be a +PPG-guy

What do you guys think?

13 Sep 2018 20:52:09
What would you think about an offer sheet which gives the leafs a 1st 2nd and a 3rd?

13 Sep 2018 21:03:54
Leafs don’t need picks, although then they could trade one of their firsts for like Eberle to replace Nylander.

13 Sep 2018 21:04:06
I don't think stephan johns should be the centrepiece of a deal involving nylander. Leafs could get a much better player back then him.

13 Sep 2018 21:22:20
Don't worry buddy. We already know you over exaggerate all the time and then back peddle.
Dubas himself has said they will sign the three, Nylander, Marner and Mathews no worries tho.

13 Sep 2018 21:23:26
It’s Johns not Jones but I think leafs can get a better offer than that if they are trading away Nylander.

13 Sep 2018 21:33:24
You’d think they would get an better offer but the Leafs don’t have any leverage whatsoever so if a underwhelming deal like this occurs I will not be suprised and I won’t be disappointed in Dubas or any of the Leafs management.

Just a little FYI to everyone stars never get fair value.

13 Sep 2018 22:07:52
Guys enough about Nylander.

Can we get back to making fun of Rambo for how wrong he was (again) about Karlsson?

13 Sep 2018 22:27:39
@Habby I would rather see the leafs match it.

13 Sep 2018 22:35:55
Nylander is not a star yet. But that being said he should get fair value in a trade. karllson pacioretty skinner etc are all in different situation and point of there careers then nylander. Nylander is an Rfa which means he be under the control of the team that gets him. They could decide which contract route they wanted to go. Plus he's still developing and will most likely get better over the next few years. The star players who you were referring to are already in or maybe even slightest past there prime.

13 Sep 2018 22:37:57
Vbbb what about if it was montreal doing the offer sheet?

13 Sep 2018 23:22:29
Why do you think leafs don’t have any leverage?! Lol they own his NHL rights till he’s 27. He’s 21. He needs them far more than they need him they have plenty of capable, albeit not as good as him, wingers who would kiss ass for a chance to play with Matthews and pad their stats.

He doesn’t have another NHL team to play for unless leafs allow him to. His rights are very restricted, hence him being called a Restricted Free Agent lol. If he is demanding a contract that throws the pay scale of this roster out of whack, then I’m fine with seeing what type of a Dman they could get for him. But when the answer comes back and it’s Stephen Johns, I’m going a different route lol

This $8mill ask could be him starting really high because leafs went low. Or it could be just BS since it’s apparently from an unnamed western conference executive. Pasternak is a close comparison in age, position, draft and has better production so far. He’s $6.67mill. Monaghan, gaudreau, Scheifele, mackinnon, Larkin, Ehlers all got between $6 and $6.7 mill off their entry level deal. He’s in the middle of that pack at best. Those deals are all a year or 2 old so give him the benefit of the added cap increase and he’s a $6.5-6.75 player. I will bet he signs in Toronto in the next week to 10 days for about $6.5 mill.

13 Sep 2018 23:40:12
Toronto dosent have much leverage because if he holds out and dosent sign when the season starts his value drops drastically.

13 Sep 2018 23:41:35
And in that case I wouldn’t match Montreal’s pick could be a huge payoff. + leafs can’t afford the money the leafs would give up.

13 Sep 2018 23:58:32
From what I read he has the same agent as Gaudreau who also held out as long as possible and the agent is known for this. I guess Nylander’s dad is involved in the negotiations and he was known for holding out as well. He is obviously not as good as Pastrnak and Kucherov, so if he wants to play hardball, trade him. Won’t they just settle on a bridge deal?

14 Sep 2018 00:12:13
Yeah I think he resigns too.

14 Sep 2018 02:55:34
Leafs17, you’re right. The agent is the same one that he gaudreau moss allnof camp and he still got $6.75 mill. His original ask was $8mill aswell. He also represented Saad with Chicago and they got tired of the demands and traded him. They went and got him back wth the big salary a year later, but it just shows that there’s still multiple possible outcomes. But again, I bet he signs. Most likely 6-8 years at $6.5 mill. Possibly 2-3 years at $5 mill or so like kucherov did and then hope to cash in for $8 mill after.

14 Sep 2018 20:11:37
Also it’s easy to sit out during camp. I’m sure he’s missing being a part of camp and seeing the guys etc already. But he can hold out and miss pre-season games, you don’t get paid for them. But once the season starts, at $6.5mill salary that I believe is close to the offer, he loses out on $80,000 a game. That money, even if he signs the next morning, is gone forever. So missing 15 games is almost $1.25mill. If money is your issue, it’s pretty foolish to burn that off the start. That’s why I don’t believe camp finishes before Nylander signs.

15 Sep 2018 05:45:34
Dubas sounded confident that he will sign the big three. Starting to wonder now. Maybe willie changed his mind i see no other reason. Willy should be signed by now there must be more to it.

15 Sep 2018 17:00:18
I can see Nylanders problem with it. It’s great to have 3 young stars, try to keep them all and ask them all to buy in and take a little less.

But if you’re the first guy up, you’re in a hard spot. If he feels he’s worth $7.25-7.5 but is asked to take $6-6.5 and does it for the good of the team, how would he feel if next year marner and Matthews don’t take the discount and go for $9.5 and $13 mill. He looks like a fool for 6 or 7 years. Maybe the plan was to have all 3 buy in and sign extensions this summer and the other 2 want to play out their last year, forcing Nylander to look after himself first.

15 Sep 2018 21:17:21
I'm willing to bet at least 95% of the time players don't even consider taking less money just to keep a group of players together. i think it might happen occasionally in sports with older guys who have seen 1 st hand how hard it is to win a championship. But very very rarely. Also I wouldn't be suprised if dubas has even talked to nylander about a new contract almost all tines these discussions involve management and the players agent. And almost every time the agent is trying to get the highest contract possible. I can't say for sure because I don't know for sure what's going on but I'm willing to bet if leafs management and nylander had sat down together without an agent involved there would be a contract signed by now.

23 Aug 2018 21:33:20
New Jersey Devils:

Mikhail Maltsev
Travis Zajac (15%)
1st Round Pick 2019
2nd Round Pick 2019
2nd Round Pick 2020


St. Louis Blues:

Ryan O’Reilly



NJD Lineup: Top6

Hall - Hischier - Palmieri

Johansson - O’Reilly - Bratt.

23 Aug 2018 22:25:05
So no from blues. lol.

23 Aug 2018 23:31:30
C/ mon! Why would the Blues trade O'Reilly after they just traded for him.

23 Aug 2018 23:51:32
st louis trades for orielly because they are in win now mode only to flip him before he skates for for them for futures?

nhl fanny more like it.

24 Aug 2018 00:46:55
That's stupid. Seriously stupid blues needed a center traded a few non essential pieces for him. Now they should trade him to mid for that crap. Lol your funny guy.

24 Aug 2018 00:48:55
So why did the Blues jus get him then?

27 Aug 2018 00:47:21
So I guess the one person disagreeing with sensible comments is the guy who posted this treasure of a proposal.

18 Aug 2018 13:45:16
Blues Trade
Barbashev

Leafs Trade
Leivo

4th Line Depth Trade, Barbashev gives the Leafs more depth at 4th Line Center to share with Lindholm, Leivo should crack the Lineup with the Blues being a little weaker on RWing.
I expect to have backlash that Barbashev is the next Datsyuk and the Blues would never do this trade, let the attacks begin. LoL

Thoughts ?

18 Aug 2018 16:24:02
Don’t think blues do this Barbashev has more upside but lievo is more of a sure thing.

18 Aug 2018 18:15:13
Yeah no blues wouldn't trade a younger center for an older lw. Blues have way to many left wingers as it is that are better JL wouldn't make team.

18 Aug 2018 20:24:11
Blues definitely would say no.
Barbashevs ceiling/ potential is also higher than Leivo at this time. No hate on Leivo.

18 Aug 2018 20:45:38
Barbashev's ceiling is higher?
Maybe if I add a 1st Round Pick it will be good enough. Lol.

19 Aug 2018 21:52:46
First for barbashev sounds good just leave out lievo.

20 Aug 2018 14:02:24
I'm just going with logic here

1) why would leafs want a small young center that's game is based around a more skill game as a 4th line center. IMO those should be your shut-down or big bruising centers

2) why would the blues trade a young skilled center that has more NHL games for a still young but older winger.

3) no disrespect but I don't see Levio as being anything better then a 3rd line winger. and even that is a stretch, while barbashev can still have a shot at developing into a 2nd line center.

16 Aug 2018 14:27:33
Columbus Trades
Panarin

Toronto Trades
Connor Brown
Rasanen (KHL)
1st Round Pick 2019
1st Round Pick 2020*
2nd Round Pick 2020

*Conditional Pick only if Panarin resigns with the Leafs.

As a one Season rental I believe getting a 3rd line 2 way winger in Brown, a good prospect in Rasanen, plus a 1st and 2nd Round Pick in 2019 and 2020 plus a possible extra 1st Round Pick in 2020 is plenty enough to get Panarin, I will probably get backlash again on here but really it's honestly fair and helps both Teams in the big picture.

Thoughts ?

16 Aug 2018 15:05:18
How does it help Columbus? They want to win. why would they give up a guy who scored a point per game for depth and future picks? They will keep Panarin unless they get a solid top-6 forward back, that will contribute to the team now. Which now of these do.

Pinball you get backlash because the trades you propose only make the Leafs better, not the other team. You’re not terrible at determining value, but you need to look at trades from the perspective of both teams.

16 Aug 2018 15:18:14
I guess I don’t see why you always post the same, or very similar proposals all the time. The leafs are not resigning any high end forward not named Matthews, Marner and Nylander. They should keep Brown unless he’s involved in a deal for a defenseman. If Toronto decides to add another scoring threat it will be for this year only. I’m guessing the right deal is not available for a defenseman right now. Please make some new proposals instead of looking for approval from people who are sick of the garbage. Then come back hours later tweaking the same stuff. You’ve been back for a week and it’s getting old already.

16 Aug 2018 15:19:11
ProDepth the problem the Jackets have with Panarin is he will probably walk as a UFA after this Season, if he is locked for even 2yrs than yes it's not enough to get a Top Forward like Panarin, but Columbus needs to move forward for the now and future, I am sure the Islanders are kicking themselves for not getting anything for Tavares and Columbus must have that at the back of there mind, will Columbus win the Cup this coming Season, probably not so keeping Panarin is a step backwards, I made this proposal because Panarin is a rental and in the end is probably going either to a Florida Team or Chicago as a UFA.

16 Aug 2018 15:19:36
Stopppppppp posting crap like this over and over and over and over again.

16 Aug 2018 15:55:29
Keeping Panarin helps them more then this deal does. If they keep Panarin and make a deep run in the playoffs (they had a 3-1 lead on The eventual cup winners; and their team is very young) then maybe Panarin considers resigning or they give the city a playoff run they’ve never experienced.

If they make this trade, the blue jackets become significantly worse (Panarin was a lot of their offence) and none of the pieces coming back will likely be difference makers, and Brown is the only asset that is a safe bet to contribute to the team.

There’s a reason people disagree with your proposals, stop trying to change everyone’s mind.

16 Aug 2018 16:14:42
Again, CLB will be able to get at least this much at the deadline if they decide to trade Panarin. So, they're better off just playing him until then and getting the same assets at the deadline rather than doing the Leafs a favour and sending him to Toronto now.

16 Aug 2018 16:35:13
On top of why would CBJ do it, and other teams would be in the bidding, every trade you make is stacking depth players on depth players.

Championship teams have familiar depth players playing important roles. Lars Eller, Jacob Vrana, even Alex Chiasson on the caps, and Bryan Rust and Carl haglins on the pens. No other team is going to value them as much as their own team. They are not going to fetch you a lot in a trade but they know the system, they know the style of game you want them to play and they can go up and down a lineup while not taking much cap space

Those are Brown, Hyman, Kapanen and Johnsson for us. You aren’t going to get panarin by trading them, but your team has a better chance of going deep or even winning with Matthews, marner, Nylander and those 4 than you do just adding panarin at the expense of your depth.

This one you only have giving up one of them, but I think this offer gets beat.

17 Aug 2018 09:52:02
Maybe try even more quantity instead of quality? lol.

18 Aug 2018 03:09:52
Just cause panarin probably doesn't want to signing clb doesn't mean they want to give him away for spare parts, they start at top 6 winger and go from there, not a bunch of futures, plus those 1st round picks would be late anyway so not sure things by any means.

11 Sep 2018 22:53:43
If Panarin is traded to Toronto, it’s going to involve something coming back to them that they can use in the playoffs, Rasanen could just be a throw in
It would involve getting a guy like Gardiner if Murray doesn’t do well so they can solidify the top 4 or/ and a young guy who will improve like Kapanen
Yes you would have to add some stuff to that, like a first, but it’s a start and something the jackets could use to at least get past the first round.

15 Aug 2018 19:03:48
The Flyers should move Simmonds now because they will be facing a cap crunch when they need to sign their upcoming RFAs (Provorov, Konecny, Sanheim, Patrick) and can't give Simmonds the term and AAV he'll demand. Buffalo needs a character guy in the locker room to help change the culture and have the cap space in the short and medium term to sign him.

I've modelled it off the Schenn trade and adjusted for contracts, player value etc.

Philadelphia: Conditional SJ 1st 2019 (Kane trade), Conditional 2019 STL 1st (O'Reilly trade), Sobotka ($3.5MM UFA 2020) (borderline cap dump)

Buffalo: Simmonds ($3.975MM UFA 2018), Morin ($700k RFA 2021) NHL ready but injured until February (for the blue line long term)

Both should be firsts in the late teens or 20s.

15 Aug 2018 20:52:08
Seems like an overpayment from buffalo. He'll be an unrestricted free agent next year so his value decreases slightly due to the latter.

15 Aug 2018 23:17:28
What exactly are the conditions on the picks.

Values not bad for the beginning of the year.

15 Aug 2018 23:57:54
I would peg Simmonds as fetching a late first and a B prospect so I added Sobotka and Morin to balance things out. Buffalo has short and medium term cap space to resign Simmonds. I think Simmonds may want to commit to Buffalo if they give him AAV and term, he can play on an up and coming team with Eichel and Dahlin, and is close to Toronto. It also seems Buffalo is willing to part with futures for current talent to become relevant again and have a shot at the playoffs.

16 Aug 2018 18:14:15
2 1sts for rental? Big overpayment. + buffalos 1st will most likely be bottom 5. They lost there best 2 way forward and winger but replaced Kane with Skinner and you can’t count on a 18 year old dman to carry a team.

16 Aug 2018 18:37:02
He doesn't have buffalos 1st in this trade if you look they are both from other teams they also aren't just getting simmonds. Unless your thinking that morin is equal to sobotka.

16 Aug 2018 20:17:13
Yeah, it’s not Sabres own 1st rounder. But still it is apparently based on the Brayden Schenn trade but the blues got a 25 year old Schenn at $5 mill for 3 more years. This is one year and Simmonds, who is turning 30 in a week. He’s great at what he does, but I don’t see the 2 players as that comparable, or their current situations, so I wouldn’t assume that similar of a return. That’s just me though lol.

16 Aug 2018 21:59:13
Ohh okay my apologies but with that being said at the deadline I could see him maybe getting a 1st or a 2nd + a prospect like Liespic he had a weak season last year similar to Patches.

07 Aug 2018 22:01:09
St. Louis - Colton Parayko, Oskar Sundqvist
Montreal - Max Pacioretty, Charles Hudon

08 Aug 2018 00:36:41
This should be fun lol.

08 Aug 2018 02:11:02
Patch had only 1 year left, St. Louis probably can't keep him after that, so he's basically a rental. Hudon is nothing special, neither is sundqvist, but Parayko is a very good top 4 defender on a decent contract. So Hans definitely need to add, if St. Louis would even be up to trading parayko which I don't think they will.

08 Aug 2018 02:15:27
St. Louis declines but I also don’t think Montreal should make Hudon avalible.

08 Aug 2018 03:42:26
Is this Pinball?

08 Aug 2018 04:40:14
Easy no from St. Louis.

08 Aug 2018 19:01:23
yeah that's a big no thanks from the blues. No reason at all for this move. Armstrong made his team a contender. Made the center postion strong, Has strong D has potential scoring threats and some great depth. Only issue is which Jake allen is going to show up. The one that stole the wild series in the playoffs or the one who looked like dog poo. We shall see.

09 Aug 2018 03:24:49
Change your name to blue1 already.

10 Aug 2018 00:29:17
Why this is common since. Fyi no body ever talks about Detroit. They are both my teams.

07 Aug 2018 06:17:09
St. Louis
Parayko
Fabbri
St.Louis 2019 1st

for Erik Karlsson

07 Aug 2018 06:30:56
Well that’s an easy yes from Ottawa.

07 Aug 2018 07:40:01
Is it an easy yes for Ottawa?

I'd say even Karlsson would welcome it and sign a longer deal.

07 Aug 2018 07:41:11
Meant to say. Is it an easy yes for the Blues?

I'd say so too. ;)

07 Aug 2018 07:45:12
It is after all, something that could throw the Blues over the top as much as it is good for the Sens.

07 Aug 2018 16:37:27
I wouldn’t trade Paryanko straight up for Karlsson.

07 Aug 2018 18:19:43
vbbbvvbb I agree with you i wouldn't trade parayko for a soon to be ufa dman let alone adding fabbri and a 1st no thank you.

07 Aug 2018 19:47:24
Paraykos contract makes him kind of an equivalent to scheifele. Where centres not nearly as good are going to be getting $9+ mill and he makes $6.1mill for 6 more years. Parayko at $5.5 mill for a few more years while top D (doughty, karlsoon) will be $11 mill and the next tier like OEL, Burns, Carlson etc get $8-$8.5. Hedman is the bargain of the bunch at $7.75 mill or whatever lol.

08 Aug 2018 19:03:44
There should be no way they trade him. They couldn't fit karlson under the kap. He needs to go to a team like vegas or NY with cap room.

30 Jul 2018 11:46:24
Weird, Unrealistic Idea:

(RW) William Nylander + (LD) Jake Gardiner to the St. Louis Blues in exchange for (RD) Colton Parayko + (C/ W) Robby Fabbri.

Idk. I’d have a real hard time parting with Nylander, but a return of Parayko is absolutely solid. He’s exactly what Toronto needs. And St. Louis could use a winger to play behind Tarasenko and Willy can also play centre if Schenn takes a step back.

Gardiner and Fabbri are added since Parayko for Nylander is onesided for the Leafs imo, so Gardiner balances the deal out as St. Louis gets a replacement d on the offside. However, Gardiner and Nylander for Colt alone seems unfair, so Fabbri is added as a replacement for Nylander. Fabbris lost a lot of value after his injuries and can bounce back in TO imo.

Lineup:
Zach Hyman - John Tavares - Mitch Marner
Patrick Marleau - Auston Matthews - Robby Fabbri
Andreas Johnsson - Nazem Kadri - Kasperi Kapanen
Tyler Ennis - Par Lindholm - Connor Brown

Morgan Rielly - Colton Parayko
Travis Dermott - Nikita Zaitsev
Connor Carrick - Ron Hainsey.

30 Jul 2018 13:52:54
But value wise Parayko > Nylander even if Gardiner = Fabri which I think Fabri has a little more value than Gardiner straight up as well.
Blue decline, easily. Take out Fabri and I don't think I would even part ways with Parayko.

30 Jul 2018 13:54:21
I don't get this trade

Parayko> Nylander

Fabbri> Gardiner

How is this fair for St Louis. Ok you're going to say Fabbri is fragile fair enough. But once he's says healthy he's going to be a 50+ point player that's not even 23 yet. So yes he's worth more then Gardiner.

30 Jul 2018 14:11:24
Colt, so a 50 point forward is worth more than a 50 point dman? Your argument seems way off.

30 Jul 2018 14:24:42
I think it’s close. I would understand people saying Gardiner and Fabbri being added doesn’t make up for the gap between Nylander and parayko. That’s fair to say. But a guy that you hope can one day be a 50 pt player is not more valuable than a 27 year old top 4 d that QBs a PP and puts up 50+ pts while making $4mill lol that’s like me saying Connor Brown had 20 goals and I hope he could reach 45-50 pts so the Hurricanes would need to add in a Brown for Faulk deal haha that’s dumb.

30 Jul 2018 15:23:21
lets break this down a bit
Parayko 5.5 mil 4 years
fabbri 925k 1 year then rfa

Gardnier 4.05Mil 1 year UFA
Nylander notsigned rfa

parayko >> Nylander
Parayko >> Gardnier

Fabbri >Gardnier (contract rfa control)
Nylander > Fabbri

Blues are at the cap and need to sign Schmaltz. Taking on Gardnier and Nylander would be impossible. Also Blues do not have a RHD able to take Paraykos mins (24 a night) Gardnier is LHD and we already have Edmondson, Dunn, Jaybo, Gunner. SO not a positional need. Also with blues getting ROR, Perron, Bozak, Maroon and with Thomas and Kyrou coming up they are set on wingers. Maybee before the ror trade but not now. Just doesn't make sense.

30 Jul 2018 16:20:22
Agree with redwing aside from the fact that Gardiner.

30 Jul 2018 16:47:39
Really guys? Fabbri => Gardiner? Cmon. He was a 50 point dman last year. No way you can say a guy who has a career high of 37 points and missed all of last year is better. And if Gardiner was going to design, I think it’s close. Parayko > Nylander yes, but I do think Gardiners gap if resigned over Fabri makes up. Add a 2nd or so if so needed. Nylander has 70 pt potential.

30 Jul 2018 18:12:01
Fabbri is making 925k and is RFA after this year we need his ELC status till Jaybo and Gunner are gone freeing up 8.3 mil. plus 4-6 million in dead weight.

Gardnier is going to want more money, And he is LHD. We have 4 LHD currently Edmondson, Vince Dunn, Jaybo, Gunner. We don't need Gardnier. Blues also have Jake walman and a few others in the waiting to get into the nhl and they are entry level.

This trade doesn't make sense. Blues are set all their weaknesses, (goalie RW) are going to be filled internally by thomasKyrou Kostin Husso Fitzpatrick Binnginton, Peronovich, Bokk, Wallman.

They will all be on elcs and rfa status. they also have depth players power forward like players in Nolan Stevens and Eric Foley.

30 Jul 2018 19:03:53
I’m not saying blues need Gardiner or blues do the deal. All I’m saying is calling Fabbri better than Gardiner shows that it’s just a personal bias, not reality. Again, it’s the brown over Faulk thing.

30 Jul 2018 21:37:52
No Jim it shows value and teams needs considerations.

Fabbri was on pace and predicted to be as good as Nylander his first year he scored 18 goals as a 19 year old rookie and in 10 less games. he was hendered by his knee injury but i would say has the highest bust / ceiling differential in the league for 925k due to his knee. On top of that Blues do not Need UFA LHD, the notion that people keep putting around him, " oh you can sign him the following year", is personic, We could just sign him the following offseason, but we don't need him. As for nylander great player a little soft but great player. I am tired of hearing about potential if nylander is 30 goal 70 poiny player then parayko is 15 goal 60 point dman, right.

Any way if you take into accoutn team needs. Capp issues, Cam contract control Blues are better of the way they are and that is not Bias that's the truth.

30 Jul 2018 23:38:30
Value is there but blues have no reason to trade Parayko when their forward core included ROR, Tarasenko, Schwartz, steen, Bozak, Schenn and have guys like kyrou and Thompson ready to make the jump to the NHL. Like i said value is there but the motivation or need isn’t there.

30 Jul 2018 23:56:04
For the record, because people always seem to read-to-respond instead of read-to-understand.
I said I believe Fabbri has more value than Gardiner straight up. Just value wise with all things considered as redwing pointed out.

30 Jul 2018 23:57:35
For some reason., I think at the end of all there careers. Nylander maybe the best outta him Mathews and Marner. you have Tavares., so shop the American. and get a good ridiculous return, then the Leafs will win a cup. .
Go get OEL.

31 Jul 2018 01:13:23
Mathews is much better then Tavares and it’s not even close Mathews is better offensively and defensively Mathews is miles better he makes Tavares look like a PeeWee player in comparison Mathews is the best defensive forward sense Bergeron. Also Tavares has played for 7 more season and still hasn’t eclipsed Mathews totals. Mathews is atleast two tiers better.

31 Jul 2018 05:35:36
Mathews isn't as good as Tavares. VB. he may be down the road., but not at this point in his career. Ya he had a better goal scoring season. so what. Ovechkin gets more than anyone, however there are a couple dozen players in league better than him.
So get rid of the American, send him to Phoenix, get OEL and some pieces. Mathews is a hot commodity. m so get a complete team and win a cup.
Leafs went win with what they have now. Tampa is still the Superior team.

31 Jul 2018 06:17:24
Ovechkin is a winger, not great defensively huge difference. Please tell me how Tavares>Mathews teach me your expertise because apparently you know more then every TSN panellist and ALMOST every hockey writer.

31 Jul 2018 06:41:35
Lol. well some of em are pretty dumb. tsn guys.

Anyway. when Mathews can sustain a few years of being a star, and make others arounf him better, like Tavares, I will concede he may be the better player. however. he's not there yet. I'm jus saying, no way these guys are in same level as Tampa, close. but why not get there.

31 Jul 2018 13:50:22
Lol that’s like the 3rd time in the last cpl weeks a habs fan has said leafs should trade Matthews and sound serious. It’s funny because a true #1 centre is a Unicorn to you guys and we have 2. Stop the jealousy, worry about fixing the train wreck in Montreal instead of trying to justify us trading a 20 year old point per game centre, with size, a 200 ft game, lethal goal scorer, good faceoffs and great chemistry with his teammates lol absolutely no point to move that guy. Oilers should trade Mcdavid for D help because I Believe draisatl will have better numbers after 15 years, see how dumb that is?

31 Jul 2018 14:14:04
Leafs will not trade Mathews.

31 Jul 2018 13:54:50
Nylander is arguably the 6th best player on the leafs. Just because he’s better than your best in Montreal doesn’t mean he’s going to have a better career than a Matthews or Marner lol

1) Matthews
2) Tavares
3) Marner
Rielly/ Nylander/ Kadri (any order of these Guys at 4, 5 and 6 could be argued)

31 Jul 2018 17:59:21
And that’s just skaters, doesn’t factor in Freddy Andersen who was 4th in Vezina voting.

31 Jul 2018 21:08:48
Ya really think I'm jealous Jim? I was stating my opinion on the 3 Kids. I feel Nylander could be the better of em. fine trade him.
I would love to see the Leafs win a cup., all I have been trying to say is I don't think they have the team yet to do it. So, with 2 number one centers. both Franchise guys. why not sell one of em for top $. you could get a Stud Dman. and maybe even have a dynasty.

Leafs are close. but I feel they need more D.
As for my team. ya it's a wreck. It reminds me of the Leafs of the 80s, is what it is. Until the philosophy of having to have French Canadian coaches and GMs is put to rest and just have the best man for the job. will be for years to come.

31 Jul 2018 23:03:16
Look at the last few cups. Crosby/ Malkin twice and backstrom/ kuznetsov. You’re right Sosa, 2 top centres is not the path to success. It was Ron Hainsey and Justin Schultz playing top pair that won the cup for the penguins in 2016, I forgot.

31 Jul 2018 23:29:56
And You just said you’re sick of the habs only wanting French people on the organization, then why keep referring to Auston Matthews as ‘the amerocan’?! Because I don’t care where a guy is born or what jersey he wears internationally, as long as he pours his heart out for the leafs from October to June. Just seems pretty hypocritical. .

01 Aug 2018 00:43:28
The leafs trading Mathews would be like the Canadians trading a 20 year old Jean Béliveau except Mathews will probably be the more dominant player ( hard to compare but you get the stupidity in your comment ) Mathews is already the greatest player to wear a leafs jersey.

01 Aug 2018 02:26:35
Ok. really don't want to deal with Biased Goof and Virgin Balls.
You boys win. . lol. good luck! . really hope you win a cup.
Ummm Jim Crosby and Malkin. better than both your centers. so was there damn goalie. And depth players.
Vb. your jus a kid. so ya get a pass. But. Big Jean schooled your team for years. so until you win.
Shut up. lol.

01 Aug 2018 05:02:18
Jim is biased that's a given but vbbbvvbb is taking it to the next level lately. Matthews after 2 seasons of not getting out of the 1st round of the playoffs is already the best player in franchise history lol. what does that say about everyone else that ever donned the leafs jersey? it wasn't that long ago the leafs had a guy named doug gilmour who done much more and played better, harder and better defensively then matthews has played up to this point. But that was in the 90s vbbbvvbb you probably weren't born then. With regards to beliveau we are not exactly at the point yet where you should be comparing matthews to a hall of fame legend. cause guess what. if Matthews retired tomorrow he wouldn't get into the hall.

01 Aug 2018 05:07:26
It was a friendly argument and you clearly lost after insulting us. But anyway cheers. Béliveau was an all time great but I believe Mathews will be in the same tier. Béliveau was 2nd to Howe. Mathews is 2nd to McDavid for this current generation.

01 Aug 2018 06:59:33
C’mon habby. That’s the 2nd time you’ve mentioned “Matthews” not getting out of the 1st round. I believe it’s a team sport. “McDavid” didn’t even make the playoffs, he must be a bag of sh*t then? The hell with both of them, I’d rather Tom Wilson, he won the cup.

01 Aug 2018 14:14:16
I know that leafs 17 but my point was hold off on the beliveau comparison until he gets out of the first round lol.

01 Aug 2018 15:47:05
Yah I was born in 2001 so unfortunately I haven’t seen Dougie G play but I do agree with what you’re saying to be able to Compare the 3 Mathews has to play 10+ more seasons my point is the notion of trading Mathews is personic.

@Habby.

01 Aug 2018 16:11:27
@Habby, saying ‘trading Matthews is dumb’is me being biased? Lol 😂 and saying he’s more valuable at 20 than Tavares at 27 or marner at 20 is biased?! They’re all leafs lol. All I said is don’t trade a 20 year old star Centerman and that habs fans shouldn't be trying to fix the leafs by doing so. That’s not biased. That’s common sense.

01 Aug 2018 16:15:23
And Sosa, I never said Matthews and JT were better than Malkin/ Crosby. Or backstrom/ kuznetsov. Never said that at all. READ! Lol I said great centre depth has won the last 3 cups. It’s a fact, you can look that up to if you can sound out the words.

I could only imagine your response if you had 2 great players at the most important position in their prime and a leaf fan told you it’s a mistake to keep them both lol.

01 Aug 2018 17:51:47
No jim I had considered you biased long before this post lol.

01 Aug 2018 21:17:15
You think I’m biased because I told you you overvalue paccioretty and after months of actively shopping him, habs haven’t been able to find someone to give them good value. Again, that’s just looking at the reality of a situation.

01 Aug 2018 21:43:41
It’s not biased to point out that currently, contracts situations and all, there’s not a single skater on the Habs that could be traded 1-for-1 for our top 6 skaters. Anyone with common sense when it comes to hockey would see that habs best 3 players are Weber, patches and Drouin. None of those straight up gets you Nylander, Kadri or Rielly 4/ 5/ 6 as I said above.

And I know the whole TSN Toronto sports network complainers will come out soon, how it’s all media driven and that, but TSN doesn’t own Bodog, TSN doesn’t influence Vegas betting odds. Vegas betting odds are far from a guarantee how things will shake out, but it shows it’s far from just us ‘biased leaf fans’ that know how good this team is.

02 Aug 2018 02:32:20
Jim why can't you admit you are biased? I'm biased see it isn't that hard. Everyone on here value their teams players a little more then they are worth, you included. Maybe you are not as bad as some but your still biased.

02 Aug 2018 13:08:30
I like almost every leaf player because I watch them more and get to know them a bit. But I like a handful of players of almost every team in the league, all based on merit. I’ve criticized complete organizations before when they’re a screw up and it’s not biased to see those teams making brutal decisions on a monthly basis. I’ve never changed my opinion on a player because he changes address (like saying Kerry Rychel of the marlies is a bust one week, and a possible good 3rd liner 10 days later when he’s traded to the habs Lol or giving me a hard time for saying galchenyuk wasn’t very good and then he hadn’t even tried on his coyotes jersey yet and you called him spare parts and said how habs easily won the trade for domi even though every stat and number says otherwise lol

Tell me when I’ve ever changed my opinion of a player based on the jersey they wear? Because that’s what shows team bias. I didn’t like PK subban as a hab, don’t loke him as a Pred. Loved Shea Weber as a pred, don’t love him being a hab because he’s great, but don’t think less of him. Only ever criticized his contract which was equally bad in any city. And you never read me criticizing JT or Freddy Andersen or aPatrick Marleau before we acquired them, because I think the same about them now as I dod before, just happy they play here.

02 Aug 2018 15:27:42
And as always when your questioned about being biased you create BS stories about what other people said to make them seem more bias then you lol. Your awesome man.

02 Aug 2018 16:32:54
It’s not BS. Colt said the Kerby Rychel thug and you defended him when I questioned him on it. And he galchenyuk one was between you and I right after he was traded. Not that long ago. Maybe it’s my young memory.

03 Aug 2018 00:03:10
It's called selective memory I think.

29 Jul 2018 11:42:05
Blue jackets trade: Panarin

Blues trade: Fabbri, 1st round pick 2019, 2nd round pick 2019, 4th round pick 2020

29 Jul 2018 21:48:11
All depends on Fabbri staying healthy, but if he does, this is a really good return for a guy that has Kinda made it clear he doesn’t want to be there after this year anyway.

30 Jul 2018 01:15:36
Yea could be other pieces added for sure but think of the blues lines.

Panarin oreilly tarasenko
Schwartz Schenn Perron
Maroon Bozak steen.

30 Jul 2018 15:00:45
I think CBJ could get better than this, but would have to be perfect situation. This is if they are 100% he isn’t staying and need to recoup some assets. Better to get a young player that’s more of a guarantee to be impactful and a pick because jackets are ready to compete too.

11 Jul 2018 17:47:17
Blues trade: Fabbri, jaskin

Hurricanes trade: skinner

Schwartz schenn tarasenko
Skinner oreilly Perron
Maroon bozak steen
Barbashev Thomas soshnikov

Edmundson pietrangelo
Gunnarson parayko
Boumeester Dunn

Allen

11 Jul 2018 19:35:06
Cue redwing.

11 Jul 2018 21:29:44
Skinner makes 5.75 mil

Fabbri makes .975
Jaskin makes 1.1 mil

Blues have 3.5 Mil left to sign Edmondson and Schmaltz

So -2 mil for Fabbri Jaskin makes Skinner cost3.75 which is more than blues have and means they lose their #1lhd and #3 Rhd for skinner who is another lhs left wing.

Currently Blues have the following LHS lw
Schwartz
Fabbri
perron
Steen
Maroon

Rather keep edmundson and Fabbri and cap.

09 Jul 2018 05:02:08
Blues trade: Allen, steen, Fabbri, Shmaltz, 1st round pick

Canadiens trade: Price, Scherbak


Fair? Someone said they needed a goalie for a deep run

09 Jul 2018 05:46:31
Blues don't need nor want price. His contract is aweful.

09 Jul 2018 14:33:48
Price is the best goalie in the nhl blues would instantly be a contender. So colt don’t you wanna see a championship.

09 Jul 2018 17:13:58
Price doesn't own that title anymore. Hasn't for two season. One of the worst contracts in the league. No goalie is worth that. Especially considering his age at the moment and for the duration of that contract.

09 Jul 2018 17:28:42
Yah Saint Louis should take that maybe Montreal retains a million or 2 but it’s not bad. Price is the best goalie.

09 Jul 2018 19:16:34
Come on, price s% last year was .900, way below league average and only getting older, one of, if not the worst contracts in the league. Got paid for what he did for a couple great years and average at best since.

09 Jul 2018 21:15:23
I’m not the biggest Price fan and the contract is ridiculous, but he instantly makes a lot of teams in the league contenders.

09 Jul 2018 21:25:42
Edm would have to retain 50% to work with current team structure. Fyi he is not the best goalie in the league not anymore. After last two seasons mtl needs to curve their expectations.

Bad contract + poor performance

= untouchable.

09 Jul 2018 22:03:08
Lol what sort of Price bias do you guys have. Yes he's had a bad season but other than that he singlehandledly made the habs a playoffs team. Goalies don't regress that much and especially not with Carey Price's talent. You guys clearly haven't watched him play a whole lot.

09 Jul 2018 22:39:13
He's a fantastic goalie, for sure, But no go goalie in the league ink using him is worth $10.5M. Maybe he was worth that for two single seasons like 3/ 4 seasons ago. But not now for 8 more seasons. Yes he's a great goalie, I've never once said he isn't. $7.5/ 8M tops great tho.

09 Jul 2018 00:30:05
Blues trade: Fabbri

Canadiens trade: Pacioretty

Not too sure of the value here with fabbri's injuries and Paciorettys last Season. But I think it benefits both teams

Schwartz Schenn Tarasenko
Pacioretty O'Reilly Perron
Thomas Bozak Steen
Jaskin Barbashev Soshnikov

Edmundson Pietrangelo
Gunnarson parayko
Boumeester Dunn

Allen

Could go for a good run? Don't ya think?

09 Jul 2018 02:25:23
Need to upgrade Allan for a deep run.

09 Jul 2018 02:36:56
Think they gave up on pacioretty when they got O'Reilly, but a maybe I guess.

09 Jul 2018 04:11:13
They can trade for price too if they want.

09 Jul 2018 04:27:22
Habby i'm starting to agree with your trade Price idea. With Weber out for a few months as well, it may be a good time to get a nice haul for Price and rebuild. Price is in his prime and a change of scenery could be exactly what he needs. I think his value is still very high as they do not need to trade him. Even if he has struggled as of late, he is still a top 10 goalie in the nhl IMO. Even if he carried the team on his back to the playoffs, they are not contenders right now. Start the rumours!

09 Jul 2018 04:50:59
Price for Mcdavid, Draisaitil, Pulajajarvi, 3 1sts.

09 Jul 2018 05:32:08
Blues add.

09 Jul 2018 05:49:11
Blues won't trade fabbri at 975k and rag control for patches. Also unless you retain blues don't need prices bad contract.

09 Jul 2018 13:37:24
Haha redwing is sooo colt.

06 Jul 2018 14:41:28
It's very simple the leafs need a RH defenceman! St Louis needs a RW this could be a match made in heaven
TML - Nylander, 2nd 2019
STL - Parayako
I guarantee if the leafs make this trade they win the cup

06 Jul 2018 16:05:37
No from Saint Louis imo unless if they’re actually willing to trade Paryanko and in that case good deal but I’ve read the rumours and I believe teams asked about Paryanko at the draft but they were shut down.

06 Jul 2018 16:27:00
I don’t think it’s bad. I would hate trading Nylander because I believe he could be great. But parayko is what leafs need and you don’t get good players trading junk. I’d do it.

06 Jul 2018 19:09:59
Why would st. Louis do that. They have Thomas, kyrou tarasenko on the right wing. They will be fine. No need to hurt our defense for that. Sorry.

06 Jul 2018 19:34:33
Not enough for Parayko.

06 Jul 2018 19:48:13
Leafs17 it’s enough for him value wise but as redwing said It does not help the blues they're already stacked at the RW.

06 Jul 2018 20:43:09
I don’t know vbb’s. The guy is a stud. Let alone a RH beast of a defenseman. I love Nylander but I’d do it in a heart beat.

06 Jul 2018 21:27:57
Actually it's not enough. A winger does not have the same value as a rhd with 35 40 pts. Besides we have tarasenko perron kyrou Thomas on right nylander is not needed.

06 Jul 2018 22:51:19
Redwing - "No need to hurt our defense for that, sorry"

With a name like redwing and saying "our" in a blues trade like that, you aren't fooling anyone original Colt.

07 Jul 2018 02:35:49
No you’re not fooling anyone Colt. Being online, I really don’t understand why people try and hide and make new accounts. If people would stop being so extremely bias and hate on every other team, maybe you could gain respect from people and not have to go into hiding.

07 Jul 2018 03:13:38
He hasn't really played center at all so i'm going to say Nylander is a wingers. Wingers and defencemen don't HAVE THE SAME VALUE. Especially when the defencemen is as good as Parayko at that age. No from STL

07 Jul 2018 05:21:25
@Franchise Billy: no one on this thread said that Nylander was a centre, everyone acknowledged him as a RW. Also it was said that D are worth more than wingers. Don’t know what the ALL CAPS reminding us of that is for lol.

07 Jul 2018 05:30:34
Nylander has the potential to be a star. Paryanko is a stud but I look at this trade as a young Phil Kessel who got Seguin and Hamilton for A sad mans prime Shea Weber.

Nylander can be a PPG player. Was on pace to out produce Sanko mid way through the season but no I agree blues don’t make this trade but leafs do.

07 Jul 2018 06:56:58
Ubiased jim i didn't even read what he said i just saw the trade and spat milk outta my tiddies

07 Jul 2018 22:57:01
Do I rant like that guy did seriously.

02 Jul 2018 02:38:12
Confirmed trade:

Buffalo- Ryan O'Rielly

Saint Louis- Patrick Berglund, Vladimir Sobotka, Tage Thompson, 2019 1st and 2021 2nd

My opinion is it's a great trade for saint Louis and a good trade for Buffalo. Berglund and Sobotka have a little bit of value but they were included for cap reasons they will bring good depth for the Sabres. Tage Thompson looks like a promising prospect with potential to step right in the line up. The 1st and 2nd add more value. Ryan O'Rielly is a true number one Center and one of the best 2 way players in the game. He will be a big addition to the Blues a Schwartz-O'Rielly-Taresanko will be fun to watch. O'Rielly clearly wasn't fitting in, in Buffalo

02 Jul 2018 04:21:08
I don't think he is a true number 1 center but a real good number 2. Buffalo did we'll in the deal but St. Louis didn't have to give up Thomas or kyrou to get him so it's ok for them too I guess. If blues get real good goaltending they might make a run at it this year.

02 Jul 2018 05:03:38
He’s a top 30c in the NHL probably top 20. So he’s a 1st line c.

02 Jul 2018 06:57:09
Yeah I'm sure he can play 1st line center but he's not what I would consider a true number 1.

02 Jul 2018 07:33:12
I think blues won this trade.

Also Schwartz and schenn have ridiculous chemistry together. Lines could be as follows

Fabbri O'Reilly tarasenko
Schwartz schenn kyrou
Perron bozak Thomas
Steen barbashev jaskin soshnikov

Edds petro
Dunn parayko
Jaybo schmaltz borts.

02 Jul 2018 17:08:02
It was a lot to gget be up for sure. When I saw the final trade a assumes that meant Buffalo was paying the 7.5 mill signing bonus owed yesterday. For them to get all that plus blues paid the bonus. great job. But from blues perspective, they got a really good centre while minimizing what roster players and top prospects left. Getting bozak without giving up assets obviously helps that.

02 Jul 2018 21:54:11
Also blues save 1 mil on the cap.

03 Jul 2018 03:41:11
Bringing david perron back into the mix as well should help.

 
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