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20 Apr 2018 05:47:50
The kings haven't contended in awhile with there core and now it's probably time for a Rebuild.

LA: Doughty

Toronto: Nylander and 2020 1st * or Brown , Lindgren, 2018 1st And 2020 1st *

* Conditional If leafs resign Doughty

LA: gets a great package for a rental who will leave for free in the summer anyway

Toronto: gets the advantage of giving Doughty his 8th year and basically ensures he signs there.

LA: Carter

Stl: Kyrou and 1st 2018

LA: gets two A prospect to stack there pipeline

Stl: if they miss out on Tavares they desperately need a top line Center to contend.

LA: Toffoli

Dallas: Honka and 44th overall 2018

LA: gets rid of a struggling yet effective player who'd benefit from a change of scenery.

Dallas: Brings in a pretty consistent 25 goal scorer.

20 Apr 2018 14:19:50
So blues should trade the best ohl player this year and thier first for Jeff carter. 33 year old 2nd 3rd line center who missed 55 gsmes last year. That's a huge no.

20 Apr 2018 18:34:58
He’s an PPG player in the right situation he’s easily a 1st line C. What if saint Louis adds Steen and Thomas and replaces Carter with Kopitar.

20 Apr 2018 20:13:48
Thomas killing it in the ohl playoffs right now. Kyrou was best ohl player this year. I like kopitar but he will be 37 when his contract is over at 10 mil a year. Schenn performed the 1c just fine blues need a 2c but not at cost of kyrou or thomas. They are the future and cheap elc controlled contracts. Blues are better off going for Tavares or statsny. Thomas will be reday in a year or so.

20 Apr 2018 20:47:09
Overpayment on the first two but not enough for Toffoli IMO. Also does Dallas want to trade a young D with potential for a forward?

20 Apr 2018 20:57:11
Like I said if blues miss out on Tavares. Good luck going anywhere with Schenn/ stasney as a number 1c.

21 Apr 2018 00:50:16
I'm sorry but schenn has been the best center we have had in the last 5+ years. Thomas will be able to fill in top 6 very soon. Kyrou is the dynamic rw blues need besides tarasenko. SChen had 28 goals 70 pts +10. The blues dominated the league till injuries and allen crippled the team. Carter missed 57 games with injury and has never hit the 70 point mark he is 33 and when his contract ends he will be 37 38. No thanks. I do however think it's funny you suggest to trade us a center who is worse than the one the blues have for a bad contract and older player. No thanks. Good luck with kopitar, carter playing to 38.

18 Apr 2018 22:43:39
Sabres need help, man. I bet these players get traded regardless, so this is a scenario I can see working.

to St Louis
Lehner

to Buffalo
Allen

Two goaltenders who have shown flashes of brilliance, but also probably would benefit from a change in scenery.

---------------------------------------------

to Calgary
O'Reilly

to Buffalo
Tkachuk
Brouwer

Brouwer has negative value to Calgary due to his cap term and hit, but would likely be a learderly presence on a deam devoid of it. Buffalo very well could end up drafting the other Tkachuk, so to have them together would be quite nice for them. O'Reilly would likely be the final piece to get Calgary into the playoffs, and such a power move is probably what Treliving needs to save his job.

19 Apr 2018 04:40:08
I don't think Calgary trades Tkachuk. O'Rielly is good but his contract is huge and plus he's older. Would rather keep Tkachuk and hold on to Brouwer unless a team will take him for a cheaper price. And Allen is better than Lehner IMO.

19 Apr 2018 05:39:19
Yea, no. Mr. “I’m comfortable with losing” is not getting you Tkachuk. He may be the most valuable piece on the Flames. You’d be lucky to swap Brouwer for O’Reilly after those stupid comments he made.

19 Apr 2018 15:12:43
SC4CGY, i'm pretty sure even after those comments he's still worth more the Brower. Just a hunch ahah.

13 Apr 2018 03:04:50
Flyers have cap space for 2018-19 and potentially need a third line centre until prospects can come up. They also need another RHD prospect and scoring winger prospects and have an abundance of LHD players and prospects (Sanheim, Morin, Hagg, Provorov, Gostisbehere).

Dallas desperately needs secondary scoring from resilient (non-injury prone) players.

Ottawa needs prospects - lots of them.

Trade 1:
DAL: Simmonds ($3.975MM NTC until 2019)
PHI: 2018 1st (13th overall), 2018 2nd, 2018 CHI 4th, Jason Spezza ($7.5MM until 2019 M-NTC/NMC) (cap dump)
Simmonds accepts because he'll want a new deal in a state tax free jurisdiction and Dallas has cap space. Spezza accepts because the Flyers are in the playoffs this year and present a better opportunity to win next year)

Trade 2:
PHI: 2018 1st (2nd overall)
OTT: STL 2018 1st (14th overall), PHI 2018 (19th overall), Sam Morin, Mike Vecchione
(Morin is NHL ready and would've been on the roster but for Travis Sanheim, Dave Hakstol, and 2 injuries. Vecchione is NHL ready with a 3C ceiling)

Flyers draft:
2nd overall: Andrei Svechnikov or Brady Tkachuk
13th overall: Bode Wilde, Ryan Merkeley, or Grigori Denisenko

13 Apr 2018 05:55:22
haven't gostisbehere and provorov played the last 2-3 seasons?

13 Apr 2018 06:30:40
Tkatchuk 2nd overall yikes man better options! But fits their org mold for sure. Also for sure not trading Vecchione, guy chose to sign there they won’t trade him.

13 Apr 2018 12:26:54
Dallas won’t trade that pick as they are hosting the draft. And imo that’s not enough to move up to 2nd overall.

13 Apr 2018 15:55:40
PKane88: yes, Provorov has been playing for 2 years and Ghost for 3 years. That's why I said players and prospects.

McJesus: I've seen Tkachuk as high as second but on average 4th overall. I haven't seen Tkachuk, Svechnikov etc play so I trust draft boards. The only consensus I've seen in this draft is Dahlin = 1st overall.

I'll disagree on Vecchione. He signed before last year's draft lottery and Nolan Patrick occupying a spot in the lineup. I think Hextall sees Vorobyev as higher than Vecchione. As a more mature college player, his upside is lower but entry to the NHL quicker than a draft pick or Voro. It'd be a favour to Vecchione to get him playing NHL minutes.

vbbbvvbb: they'd be more reluctant to trade it for sure but it's not out of the question. Getting Simmonds and making a splash in free agency (Tavares? Kane? ) would offset any PR backlash by trading a pick. It's a consideration but I couldn't see them keeping it when it would make sense for them to trade it given the right deal.

PS I could also see this type of trade (trading for 2-5 overall) working with other teams that need prospect depth vice top line quality. I could see Ottawa and Arizona looking to trade down for additional 1st round picks. Philadelphia has tremendous depth but need top line quality. New York is looking to trade up as well.
Just my thoughts.

13 Apr 2018 16:04:42
vbbbvvbb: "And imo that’s not enough to move up to 2nd overall" I think it's plenty to move up. This draft is not 2015. It's not enough to get Dahlin but 14th, 19th, Morin, and Vecchione is definitely a solid offer.

Morin is NHL ready and is an immediate improvement to their bottom pair, if not their 4 spot. Although the fact that he's a former 1st rounder is irrelevant, he was drafted as a project with a later NHL entry date. He'd be on the Flyers now if not for aforementioned reasons.

Vecchione will never be a top 6 forward but is a good NHL prospect that is NHL ready. Many Flyers fans argue he should've been on the roster this year but blame Hakstol's infatuation with slow, aging veterans.

This is for 2nd overall, not Jack Eichel 2nd overall. 14th and 19th are quality picks and 2-5 overall doesn't guarantee a game changing player ie Dylan Strome. The value is there.

13 Apr 2018 17:15:10
Imo you overrate Morin. Even with Sanhiem who is much better/ Valuable I doubt the other team would accept.

13 Apr 2018 17:31:50
Frankly, I don't think you know enough about Morin or Sanheim to make that determination. Sure, Sanheim definitely has a higher ceiling.
It was a toss-up as to who would stay with the team after training camp. Both had great camps and if we didn't have so many young defencemen, both would have made it. Morin also would've drawn into the lineup this year after AMac's injury and Gudas' suspension but Morin got hurt. He was snakebitten this year but was certainly meritorous.

2 mid firsts, Morin, and Vecchione is a solid offer that suits the needs of both parties, not a lopsided homer proposal. I'd hate to give up Morin and those picks, but quality is the cost of quality.

13 Apr 2018 20:43:42
I just think you underestimate the value of the 2nd overall pick no it’s not in the same Catagory as Dahlin but the team trading the pick would need to be an offensive loaded team in desperate need of defence and is no where near contention. So possibly Buffalo is really the only choice the asking price would start with Provornov straight up or Ghost++. Regardless top 5 picks don’t get traded.

13 Apr 2018 21:15:04
Ottawa aren't trading that pick
Dream on and enjoy the series.

13 Apr 2018 23:55:20
vbbb: I think you overestimate the 2nd overall pick. These are highly talented yet unproven players. Again, please stop acting like mid-first round picks are worthless. The two leading contenders for the Calder Trophy (Barzal and McAvoy) were taken in the teens. The quality is there. I can name a bunch of recent Top 5 picks that have underwhelmed (Reinharts, Yakupov, E Lindholm, Bennett, Dal Colle, D Strome, Juolevi) .

For teams looking for a complete rebuild that who miss out on Dahlin, getting two picks in the teens and a solid prospect is worthwhile. One can argue that Ottawa and Arizona need prospect depth and should sacrifice quality for less quality but quantity. All of those top teams need a Dahlin, but there's a distinct difference between 1 and 2. It's a reasonable strategy. The teams that could trade that pick suck overall and could use any player, but the logic is that two players are better than one and quality picks occur in the teens.

Any team would love to have Dahlin, but the Flyers are one of the last teams that need him given their quality and youth on defence.

13 Apr 2018 23:57:59
Keyhabs: I'm a cynic by nature so I'll assume the "enjoy the series" remark was directed at the Flyers playing Spearing Sidney and the Cowardly Pengwhines. If so, stones and glass houses and such. Enjoy the offseason with Bergevin with a cancerous Weber contract, no starting centre, a thin prospect pool, and a listless captain leading to a decade of mediocrity.

14 Apr 2018 01:05:13
Arizona does not need depth they’re pretty loaded could use another dman and Center. Ottawa has good depth at all positions imo. Neither team is looking to trade that pick only team that could potentially is Edmonton and they’re searching for a different package. Maybe Simmonds and Ghost for Tkachuk? That’s what I’d ask for if I were Edmonton. A potential gritty presence that’s will likely put up 30-40-70 seasons considering he’s more hyped then his bro who is already a Cornerstone piece.

14 Apr 2018 03:46:04
Just took a quick overview of Zthe sens prospect pool there C depth is very solid but they do need a stud dman. So I think a Provornov-Svechnikov/ Tkachuk swap would be fair.

14 Apr 2018 16:48:25
vbbb: Arizona has lots of top prospects (if you consider Dylan Strome to still be a top prospect) but little depth. Ottawa does not have a strong prospect pool. In fact, the Hockey Writers ranked them 27/ 31 at the start of this season. The Senators need depth; they need everything. I suggested Arizona and Ottawa because several pundits (I can't find the article) suggested that they consider trading down. Dorion very recently ruled it out.

You completely underestimate Ghost and Provorov. Provorov is a #1 defenceman at 21 years old and was tied for the most goals among defencemen in the league this year. Ghost finished with 65 points, 3 off the lead for defencemen. Their analytics numbers were through the roof; they didn't get much credit because they were only paired together the last 3 third of the season.

It's hilarious that you think Simmonds+Ghost = Tkachuk. I'd take Ghost over Matthew Tkachuk right now. Provorov for Tkachuk is an even bigger joke.

You're clueless.

14 Apr 2018 18:26:27
Ghost is 1 dimensional I’ll take Mathew Tkachuk over him any day. Obviously Provornov is amazing and almost any team besides Carolina/ Nashville/ Calargry would take Provornov over Brady Tkachuk both will be elite. But you don’t trade a top 5 pick unless it’s an offer so ridiculous you can’t say no to.

14 Apr 2018 19:51:08
Ghost is far from 1 dimensional. He's been a very complete defenceman this year and managed to rack up 65 points. 65 points! Again, you're clueless. Any team would take Provorov, proven at the NHL level, over a talented yet ultimately unproven entity in Brady Tkachuk. Furthermore, Provorov is a better defenceman than Matthew Tkachuk is a forward.

"But you don’t trade a top 5 pick unless it’s an offer so ridiculous you can’t say no to" Again, this assumes that the top 5 pick is a surefire NHL star, which it's not. Hello Dylan Strome, Nail Yakupov etc. 14th and 19th overall gives you two quality players.

14 Apr 2018 20:30:57
I believe Brady Tkachuk>>Mathew Tkachuk and I’m sure anyone who’s seen both play would agree. Ghost is a younger Kevin Shattenkurk. I don’t claim to be a Flyers fan but from what I’ve seen his minutes are sheltered. Again I don’t watch majority of his games. I like him but I’ll take both Tkachuk over him on a leafs team who needs a RHD so that says a lot. Also you’re talking like 14th and 19th overall are going to play in the NHL. They both have potential to be stars but they’re far more likely to bust while the 2nd overall pick is almost guaranteed to be a cornerstone player. I’m not denying in what you stated Provornov>Tkachuk and I’m not saying flyers should accept it but that’s what it’d take.

14 Apr 2018 22:36:19
Yo 1st off you need to understand that they call it a draft (lottery) for a reason!

Just because ottawa finished 2nd last in the standings it doesn't mean they will get the 2nd overall pick. They won't get lower than the 5th pick but also have the 2nd best odds of getting the "number 1" pick.

That being said, this package yet again is a major low ball offer towards the sens like every other pathetic excuse of a trade proposal most of you people post. Get real and start basing returns on their players and assets with actually value not your own messed up thoughts on how they aren't worth equal value to their other team equivalents!

14 Apr 2018 23:46:09
vbbb: you admittedly know very little about the Flyers then talk about how Ghost's minutes are sheltered from what you've seen. To correct you yet again, host plays on the top pair with Provorov and goes against the other team's best lines. The only favourable minutes he gets is on the power play. Ghost was a younger Kevin Shattenkirk when he first entered the league, but not know. Catch up. You keep digging the hole deeper for yourself.

"I like him but I’ll take both Tkachuk over him on a leafs team who needs a RHD so that says a lot" this implies, but it's not explicitly stated, that Ghost is a RHD. He's not, he plays RD but is left handed. Again, you're clueless.

The second overall pick is not almost guaranteed to be a cornerstone player. Again, Yakupov, Murray, Strome etc. And I don't talk as though mid-firsts are guaranteed to be NHL players; you fail to recognize the fact that there are two mid-firsts. Teams wanting to hedge their bets and get two quality players can trade down vice taking the chance to get one very skilled player but it turn out to be a Yakupov.

14 Apr 2018 23:52:15
"Yo 1st off you need to understand that they call it a draft (lottery) for a reason! " No sh*t Sherlock, but it makes it way more difficult to propose a trade with %7.5 chance of the 3rd overall pick etc. It would be impossible to propose a trade otherwise so we assume the draft lottery plays out like the percentages indicate.

As to your last paragraph, I base mine off the value of draft picks by Scott Cullen at TSN and Stats Sports Consulting. My proposed trade of PHI-OTT is below:

Cullen:
2nd overall: 7.79

14th overall: 5.25
19th overall: 4.44

Even without Morin and Vecchione, it's technically overpayment.

SCS:
2nd overall: 871

14th overall: 456
19th overall: 364

Morin and Vecchione certainly bridge the 51 point gap.

"Get real and start basing returns on their players and assets with actually value not your own messed up thoughts on how they aren't worth equal value to their other team equivalents"

Who has the messed up thoughts? You're clueless.

15 Apr 2018 16:17:23
14th and 19th pick have what? A 30 to 35% chance at best of making a real impact in the nhl and not just being role players. They are very rare.
Top 10 have a 50 to 65% chance of making that impact while top 5 are between 70 and 85% which is all but a guarrenteed they'll be something.
This is the equivalent of trading Erik karlsson for yannik Weber and Ben Ryan. who you ask? Exactly my point, it's a trade no-one in there right mind would even consider.

If ottawa had any intention of moving that pick, especially not knowing if it'll turn into the 1st or not and I'm not saying they should because I wouldn't, it would be the islanders who would have the best shot at landing it.

Nyi : both 1sts they own (8th and 10th overall), the rights to Tavares

Ott : Ottawa's 1st (top 5 overall no matter what but best projected at 1 or 2), and either gaborik, Smith, and burrows or Ryan, and gaborik.

Islanders take the risk at 1 or 2 by giving 2 top 10 with the lowest odds at number 1 plus the rights to a superstar who refuses to resign with them and might very well refuse ottawa too and taking on 2 big cap hits one (ryan) who is still a good threat offensively for reasons I've stated in the past.

Ottawa loses its best chance at dahlin but gains 2 more slight chances to move up in a weak draft year and a shot to sign Tavares before anyone else talks to him all while dumping 2 huge contracts which would free the money needed to sign Tavares as well as EK and stone.

Trade value of draft picks example I have off the top of my head is the 2008 draft class when ottawa traded the 17th overall pick plus a 3rd round pick that year to move up just 2 spots to 15th and draft Erik karlsson.
keep in mind that no-one at that point in time could have ever imagined that EK would go on to become the best defenceman in the world.
But a trade for a pick only 2 spots higher costed them a 3rd on top of theirs for a pick that wasn't even top 10.
Trades like this happen every single year and thus if the 15th is worth that much then 1 or 2 with most definitely be worth a whole lot more

15 Apr 2018 16:39:31
If you’re offered to Role the dice between- Tyler Seguin, Gabriel Landeskog, Ryan Murray, Alexander Barkov, Sam Rienhart, Jack Eichel, Patrick Liane and Nolan Patrick or a package of Ghost and Simmonds. I’m rolling the dice especially considering Svechnikov is much more Hyped then Rienhart, Murray and probably Patrick.

15 Apr 2018 16:54:56
Firstly, I doubt Svechnikov is more hyped than Reinhart, Murray, and Patrick. There's a recency effect at play; we only remember Reinhart now that he's underwhelmed rather than remembering his pre-draft hype.

Secondly, I didn't propose Simmonds and Ghost for X player. However, Ghost is better than at least half of your list and that doesn't include Simmonds.

15 Apr 2018 16:59:20
NoBiasRambo:

Your Ottawa trade is massive overpayment by the Islanders. Do me a favour and post that in its own thread.

Where did you come up with those numbers in the start of your post? ie the 30-35%, 50-65%, and 70-85% chance? Let me guess - these are your own messed up thoughts.

"This is the equivalent of trading Erik karlsson for yannik Weber and Ben Ryan. who you ask? Exactly my point, it's a trade no-one in there right mind would even consider. "

This is the most idiotic statement I've read on here in a while and is not at all what I suggested. I proposed trading draft picks, not NHL players. There's a massive difference between trading upcoming draft picks and real NHL players, especially veterans like the ones you cited. No sane person proposes trades of veteran players based on their draft position. Give your head a shake.

15 Apr 2018 23:24:13
How on earth is that possibly an over payment from the islanders easy e? Like get real dude!

Tavares and Josh Bailey will not be back in New York next season. frees up over 12 million which is more than enough to take on either of those packages. Ryan provides some of the scoring they'll miss from JT as well. and any of the top 3 PICKS are and always have been worth at least 2 top 5 to 10 picks. if it ends up being 1st overall this year with dahlin as the prize then that alone is worth everything they gave up just based on his hype alone. outside the top 5 this is a very weak draft class as well. ottawa is basically hoping one of those picks breaks in to top 3 via lottery odds if anything.

16 Apr 2018 00:52:37
I’ll definitely take Landeskog, Seguin, Eichel, Liane and Barkov over Ghost. I’ll even roll the dice on Patrick watching him play I think he has tremendous potential.

03 Apr 2018 16:24:54
islanders sign and trade tavares
Islanders-Tavares
Blues- Fabbri, Parayko, 1st
Islanders tank for a year, get another high pick/picks if they make more trades. Rebuild around Barzal

03 Apr 2018 17:10:29
Don’t know if it’s fair but I totally agree with the fact that NYI has to trade and forget about JT in order to build around Barzal.

03 Apr 2018 17:44:14
That would have to be one heck of a sign and trade. What terms are we talking.

03 Apr 2018 17:54:41
A signed Tavares will potentially get a better deal imo.

03 Apr 2018 18:33:48
Thats not going to happen if nyi sign him the going to keep him and or he just signs with whatever team he's wants.

03 Apr 2018 19:30:12
St. Louis would want Sorokin the GOAT in that trade. Garth is asking for too much. Typical!

05 Apr 2018 04:56:38
I feel people don't know how sign and trades work. He wouldn't be signing with NYI expecting to play there and then flipped for a haul. he'd agree to an 8 year deal with another team. he'd have to sign that deal with NYI. Part of that agreement would include the trade. NYI would get something somewhat small in return for helping the team/ player get the extra year. They aren't getting 8 years of Tavares return for adding the year and they aren't keeping him in this situation. He essentially is agreeing to terms with another team NYI will just get something instead of nothing for helping facilitate the deal.

05 Apr 2018 19:40:09
In the people got a 2 rd pick for before july 1 for the negotaion rights for tavares that it not 2 very good players and a first rd pick that would be a good trade if he was a rfa.

01 Apr 2018 18:33:58
Buffalo trades Ryan O'Reilly to
St. Louis for Fabbri, R., Berglund, P. and Sanford, Z.

02 Apr 2018 03:56:45
Not enough quality more quantity.

02 Apr 2018 05:24:56
Fabbri quality.

02 Apr 2018 08:22:19
Stl adds Jay Bou ( cap dump ) and a 1st.

02 Apr 2018 18:21:44
@ vbbbvvbb If the Blues added Bouwmeester and a 1st, Jason Botterill would jump at that trade. But I would love to get feed back on that deal.

03 Apr 2018 00:48:37
Robby is coming off two knee surgerys. He is a top six player. With his injuries it hurts his value wOrth more to blues than he is traded. As for the first stuff, blues need to keep thier picks. No need for RoR with emergence of schenn and with robert thomas moving to nhl next year. We may also sign statsny again. No need for this trade.

30 Mar 2018 01:46:49
Arizona has many top prospects (Strome, Merkeley, Fischer, Dvorak, Domi, Keller) but lacks depth. The Flyers need several more top prospects and have lots of prospect depth that are being blocked by other prospects and veterans in the NHL. Assuming Arizona gets 3rd overall and the Blues and Flyers choose 19th and 20th, I'd propose:

Arizona: 2018 1st (St Louis), 2018 1st (Philadelphia), Danick Martel (52 GP 23 G 14 A 37 P in AHL, RFA 2018), Mike Vecchione (57 GP 15 G 21 A 36 P in AHL, RFA 2019)
Philadelphia: 3rd overall (draft Brady Tkachuk)

Martel and Vecchione deserve a chance in the NHL and will likely be quality bottom 6 NHLers that can support Arizona's top prospect cast.

This addresses both organizations' needs. There are two first round picks so it's not quantity for quality.

30 Mar 2018 13:58:15
Not enough would rather have Tkachuk.

30 Mar 2018 15:53:39
Wow Arizona gets destroyed.

30 Mar 2018 23:43:05
vbbbvvbb: you and I would rather have Tkachuk but that's not the issue. Arizona needs depth, as evidenced by last year's trade surrendering 35th overall for 44th overall and 2 lower draft picks. I'd say two firsts and 2 players to upgrade their bottom six is more valuable than a high first rounder.

30 Mar 2018 23:49:56
Keyhabs: Arizona does not get destroyed. They get two first rounders, not one. I read a hockey article equating a good, near-NHL ready college free agent is worth approximately a 3rd round pick. Given that, Martel and Vecchione would be worth a 3rd each. Those two firsts and two thirds is reasonable for third overall.

Evidence?

According to Statssportsconsulting, their values are:

3rd overall: 826 points

19th: 364
20th: 350
Mid 3rd round*: 150
Mid 3rd round: 150
Total: 1114 pts

3rds range from 131-175 pts

TSN's valuation is even better for Arizona:

3rd overall: 7.06

19th: 4.44
20th: 4.83
Mid 3rd round*: 2.4
Mid 3rd round: 2.4
Total: 14.07

There are obviously flaws in each model and methodology but Arizona getting destroyed is hyperbole. It's a reasonable trade.

31 Mar 2018 05:31:08
Cmon man they give up an almost guaranteed superstar for probably a top 6 f/ 4 d (StLouis) + a 2d-3rd Line guy for Tkachuk
Don’t even mention the 3rd or Ahl player
No thanks from Arizona and keep your peanuts.

31 Mar 2018 05:32:56
Tkachuk is a 18 year old elite prospect ( better then his brother ) ready to step into a 1st line role in ( Arizona ) . He is a Franchise player in the making IMO. A meaner Corey Perry. As a leafs fan the last thing we need is a winger but I’d be willing to out pay that package.
Tkachuk-Mathews-Nylander Would be a unstoppable Tkachuk gives other players more confidence to do more offensively like going into the corners because they feel safer with him there as an talented enforcer. I’d be happy giving

Tor: 1st 2018,2nd 2019, Connor Brown and Timothy Lindergren

ARI: 3rd overall.

31 Mar 2018 05:33:17
Stop acting like hockey Is Math.
Teams are not stupid.

31 Mar 2018 13:13:47
lool you can easily get depth players for like a 3rd rd pick. Not a 3rd ovr pick . hahahaha.

31 Mar 2018 19:33:37
Thank you Hoff.

31 Mar 2018 20:27:13
Hoff68: the trade is not 3 overall for 2 depth players; you're missing the 2 first round picks.

Your reading and comprehension skills: hahahahaha.

31 Mar 2018 20:30:35
Keyhabs:

"Stop acting like hockey Is Math.
Teams are not stupid. "

If hockey isn't math, then why does almost every single team employ a hockey analytics department?

How do GMs value draft picks? Through tables and analytics (aka math) that I cited. When Hextall moved up to 35 overall last year, Chayka said it was overpayment based on these types of tables.

Forget analytics, I think teams would be wise to do away with that math stuff, fire their analytics teams, and just pay you for your amazing insight.

31 Mar 2018 20:33:39
"Cmon man they give up an almost guaranteed superstar for probably a top 6 f/ 4 d (StLouis) + a 2d-3rd Line guy for Tkachuk"

The same could've been said about Dylan Strome. How's that working out for Arizona? Maybe it'd do them good to not have all of their eggs in one basket and pick up a quality player in the mid to late first round, like some dude named Mat Barzal. Where was he taken? 18th? Yeah, those picks are real peanuts.

There've been so many guaranteed superstars in the top 5 that have busted in the last few years and lots of great picks later in the first round. Quit talking like those two firsts are valueless.

31 Mar 2018 20:37:16
vbbbvvbb:

Tkachuk has lots of potential but he's far from being a superstar. There are lots of great players chosen in the mid to late first round in the last few years (Boeser, Tolvanen, Konecny etc) . The value is there for Arizona. Discounting those two firsts is idiotic.

Funny how you mention Perry; he was chosen 28th overall. Who was chosen 19th and 20th that year? Getzlaf and Brent Burns. 3rd? Nathan Horton.

The fact that you would overpay that much for 3rd overall means you're the Peter Chiarelli of nhl trade rumors.

01 Apr 2018 05:42:05
Peter Chirelli traded Kessel for Seguin and Hamilton.

01 Apr 2018 12:49:12
And a broken clock is right two times a day. And he also gave away Seguin to Dallas. Besides, and how's he doing lately? Like I said, utterly clueless.

01 Apr 2018 13:29:03
He dosent have a history for overpaying for players (besides rienhart) just underselling them.

03 Mar 2018 04:03:31
Off season

Stl) Steen
Any team) 2d or late 3rd

Ik that Stl is a good team but they really need to get Steen out and destroy the Steen clan

03 Mar 2018 06:05:10
What’s with the steen clan?

03 Mar 2018 12:34:01
Steen wanted to be captain. Apperently STL is a divided room. Half Steen guys and half Petriangelo guys.
Besides that, I think with Stastny off the books end of this year. They should look to move Steen and Bouwmeester. That would make for a lot of cap room to grab someone else and they have some good young talent coming up.

03 Mar 2018 16:54:40
Petraingelo is one of my faves and he’s the future and has been of the blues. its not steens team it’s petros team, St. Louis should rid themselves of Steen clear up some cap room and make a serious push for taveres if he hits free agency!

03 Mar 2018 17:13:58
Pretty sure they'd get a Better return tho he's a good veteran not sure about contract tho. If he's under 5 million for let's day 2-4 more years Of say a late first would be probable.

03 Mar 2018 17:16:54
Stasny is off the book right now yup. He has been traded to Winipeg. And I'm the idiot?

03 Mar 2018 17:37:00
They retained money on him. Still have $3.5M of his on their cap.

03 Mar 2018 18:02:07
They retained half his salary colt. So he’s still on the blues books till July 1st. soooooooo lol yup is right and themat makes you the. I’ll let you figure that out.

03 Mar 2018 18:39:59
Sorry I meant late first or Secound.

24 Feb 2018 22:54:05
To St. Louis
Kane

To Buffalo
2018 1st
2019 3rd
Kyrou

24 Feb 2018 23:34:37
Too much for kane.

24 Feb 2018 23:41:55
Too much.

25 Feb 2018 00:44:27
An overpayment forsure. honestly, I wouldn't trade Kyrou straight up. but that would be more fair IMO.

25 Feb 2018 02:35:25
no from stl.

25 Feb 2018 02:57:44
Take out kyrou.

25 Feb 2018 05:41:38
They don't own a 2018 1st.

23 Feb 2018 16:33:12
Ari:Crouse

Blues:Dunn

22 Feb 2018 03:42:44
3 way trade

Blues:Stasny,Thomas

Mtl:Pleky,Byron,1rd 2018, Lekonen

Pitts:Sprong

So

Mtl:Sprong

Blues:Byron,1rd 2018

Pitt:Pleky, Lekonen

22 Feb 2018 05:27:23
Surely that 1st rounders is lottery protected! Not a chance Montreal trades top draft picks++ unless a bonified top center is coming back.

22 Feb 2018 05:28:13
Dude you have problems. You Didn't Place STATSNY wiTH A team and you removed two centers (position of weaknes) for a 1st and crappy player. Stastny is worth a first by himself and thomas is not for sale.

Your make the worse props.

22 Feb 2018 05:36:14
Where did Thomas and statsny go? Lol blues pay Thomas and statsny, just cut them from their team and habs send them Byron and a first?

22 Feb 2018 07:27:09
So you say your also a Habs fan. and we give up 4 peices, including a top 5 pick and we end up with Sprong.

Are you that dummy who said he almost got the Habs GM job before they gave it to Bergevin?

21 Feb 2018 13:27:02
Blues and Mtl trades

Mtl:Gallagher

Ottawa:Smith(cap dump),Thomas Chabot

21 Feb 2018 13:40:08
Good one lol.

21 Feb 2018 14:30:34
The Ottawa blues!

21 Feb 2018 19:41:15
Hahahahahahahaha.

21 Feb 2018 19:40:39
Hahahahahahahaha.

21 Feb 2018 13:20:12
Blues and Mtl possible trades in the next couple days:

Blues:Statsny(UFA)(50percent retention

Pitt:1 rd pick 2018/2019 choice of Blues

EXPLANATION:Stasny is now a rental for 3.5 million and a good second line center so imagine as a third liner behind Sid and geno? Us he worth a first? More??

21 Feb 2018 13:47:04
MTL supposed to be a 3rd team in the trade? Or just mixed up MTL and PITT in the first line?

21 Feb 2018 15:10:05
Colt was drinkin last night.

19 Feb 2018 08:09:50
Oil: Maroon

Blues: Nolan Stevens.

19 Feb 2018 20:27:07
Blues will say no. Marron is slow, a left handed leftwing ufa and nolan stevens is a 6'3" center playinG point per game all three years at north eastern. As a junior he is the captain of the team. Another solid center prospect for blues. Not eorth trading yet.

19 Feb 2018 00:58:26
Ottawa trades
Mike Hoffman

Nashville trades
Eeli Tolvanen
Pouts Aberg

Ottawa trades
Cody Ceci

Tampa trades
Yanni Gourde
3rd round pick 2018

Ottawa trades
Johnny Oduya

Dallas trades
3rd or 4th round pick 2018

Ottawa trades
Derrick Brassard
Nick Paul

St. Louis trades
Ivan Barbashev
Jordan Kyrou
2nd round pick 2019

Ottawa trades
Zach Smith
CalgaChabot
Harpur.

19 Feb 2018 04:45:38
1. don't think NSH is going to give up Tolvanen
2. TBL isn't trading Gourde i'm assuming . He's having a good rookie season
3. don't think Oduya is worth that much. 5th rd at most i would think.
4. that's a lot from STL
5. idk.

19 Feb 2018 05:11:56
From stl what do any of those players do fir blues

Smith-30 yr old center barley gets 30+ points bottom six role. Blues have plenty of those type players.

Chabot- stl has vince dunn, Joel edmondson, and soon to be jake walman on lhd so not a need.

Harpur- not a very good dman on a side we are already set in lol

Awful

Besides that hoff88 pegged the rest of the offers.

19 Feb 2018 08:50:34
Who is going to St. Louis? If you follow the trades down, you have brassard, nick Paul, chabot, smith and Harpur going I think lol who Ottawa is trading is the first listed in each proposal, but then he has more players leaving Ottawa destined for nowhere.

19 Feb 2018 09:36:40
TB would not give Gourde straight up for Ceci, let alone adding a pick lol.

19 Feb 2018 12:53:32
The smith trade was suppose to be smith for rasmus Andersson or Oliver klington and a 4th but it glitches out on me. For the brassard trade Bob McKenzie said that Ottawa wants a 1st, 2nd, a roster player and a goalie prospect which I think is too much so I went with a roster player a prospect and a pick.

19 Feb 2018 15:19:46
You're name says it all stoner.

19 Feb 2018 16:01:16
Please colt out of all the unrealistic post you made. you don’t really have room to talk lol.

21 Feb 2018 11:16:55
All but oduya trade are trash for ottawa.

17 Feb 2018 23:17:41
STL: Hoffman, Pageau

OTT: Kyrou, Berglund, barbashev, 1st, 4th

Blues add some good offence what do you think?

18 Feb 2018 01:24:01
It was reported that offer was fabbri, sobotka, berglund.

18 Feb 2018 02:16:06
Wowow. Way too much again from STL. What are you on?

18 Feb 2018 03:21:08
I think value is there but St Louis said they aren't moving Kyrou.

18 Feb 2018 18:25:30
blues give up their future dought it.

21 Feb 2018 11:17:49
Not enough from st. louis.

17 Feb 2018 11:43:27
Sportsnet reporting Blues in serious discussions with Sens for one of either Brassard/Hoffman.Names heading other way include Sobotka, Berglund, Fabbri.
Not sure how this helps Sens. They don't get better or younger, and the only interesting piece is Fabbri who has serious knee issues.

With that in mind, Blues revise offer:

Brassard to StL
Fabbri, Berglund, Kyrou to OTT

or

Hoffman to StL
Fabbri, Kyrou, Thompson.

Providing Fabbri knee checks out.
That being said, I don't trade Hoffman. He and Duchene starting to gel.

17 Feb 2018 12:38:22
Wow those are terrible for St. Louis. Absolutely awful. Way too much.

17 Feb 2018 12:57:16
St. Louis has stated kyrou is not being traded.

Also that is over valuing your players.

Brassard can fetch a 1st or a 2nd and prospect.

Hoffman a 2nd.

17 Feb 2018 13:18:57
In what world is Hoff worth just a second. he's worth at least a first and B+ prospect.

17 Feb 2018 15:22:32
Yeah hoffman is an elite sniper that can fetch a lot more than a late 1st from st louis. I'd even say a 1st and a good prospect for Hoffman is going to be tough for St Louis to convince Ottawa since he has built a lot of chemistry with duchene.

17 Feb 2018 15:55:16
Your right I undervalued Hoffman. He is a sniper and has speed. I just don't see anyone trading there 1st as this draft is very deep.

17 Feb 2018 16:35:04
Lol. STL isn't trading all 3 of those pieces t
For those guys. Dream on.

17 Feb 2018 21:32:53
Lmao Hoffman for a 2nd yikes.

14 Feb 2018 21:31:23
Blues:Parayko

Tor: Marner,Kapanen,Lilijegreen

14 Feb 2018 22:38:22
What? that's lot from Toronto, isn't it?

14 Feb 2018 23:06:33
Nice reach Colt. Add Tarasenko for that. Sounds silly doesn't it?

14 Feb 2018 23:08:03
Not likely Colt. and its not even close.

14 Feb 2018 23:12:42
Too much from leafs jeez.

14 Feb 2018 23:47:29
Now he sounds like the old colt55! Lol although he would have had a 1st going to the blues too.

15 Feb 2018 02:51:23
The old Colt would never propose trading Parayko guys.

15 Feb 2018 03:03:42
Did you forget to strap up your helmet and put in your mouth guard before you hopped on your computer colt?

15 Feb 2018 05:05:20
@YUP, you’re right. My bad.

15 Feb 2018 15:24:30
Good call Yup.
Ya, Parayko is 100% untradeable for he Real Colt. this new Colt really has a similar stench to GoldenShowers IMO.

13 Feb 2018 16:46:48
Not mine, just saw these and thought I would see what you guys think.

BUF:
E. Kane

STL:
1st 2019
2nd 2018
C J. Kyrou
__________________________

NYR:
R. Nash

BOS:
1st 2018
D J. Zboril
__________________________

DET:
D. Mike Green

TOR:
1st 2018
RW J. Leivo
D A. Borgman
__________________________

13 Feb 2018 18:39:49
Sorry to burst your bubble. Darmstrong Stated he is not trading his top Prospects (Thomas, Kyrou, Kostin, ) Top rookies (Dunn, Thompson), Top draft picks (2018 2nd, 2019 1st) or Fabbri for a rental type deal.

Also out of all the guys that have been rumored to the blues. I would think Kane would be the least palatable player with his locker room BS, On ice BS and Personal BS. Besides the fact that he is cold as poo right now.

13 Feb 2018 18:42:45
If toronto wants Mike for that price I am down with it. Good deep draft this year Hopefully Kenny H and his team don't f this draft up plenty of good potential players. Hell I would be will to dump Nyquist, tatar, and a few others for as many picks in the top 93 picks this year.

13 Feb 2018 18:44:59
I can actually see all of them happening. not sure Green is what the Leafs need? I think they need more of a tough hard noses Dman. they have skill in Gardiner and Reilly. obviously Green wouldn't hurt em, but If Leafs could find an Intimidating Dman. (big hitter, crease clearer. ) . I think would help em out.

13 Feb 2018 19:16:55
If I were blues I’d hang up.
Leafs don’t need offense from the point, they need a real defender.
If I were Bruins I would be curious at that. I know where zboril was drafted but don’t know a lot more, so clearly depends how they view him. However that pick should be very late and the big heavy game bruins play could be a great fit for Nash. I think the east is as open as it has been in a long time for these playoffs and with the way they have been playing i think the Bruins should look to capitalize. Rask is playing the best he has in years, have one of, if not the best line the league and a lot of youth outperforming expectations. As a leaf fan, I don’t wanna see them get better. But if I were Sweeney, I’d be tempted for sure.

14 Feb 2018 00:44:45
Redwing, you saying old poo? Cause poo is fairly hot when it first comes out, clearify please.

14 Feb 2018 05:01:15
I'm sorry let's say cold as 5 week b old poo in Alberta on Christmas day.

14 Feb 2018 16:27:53
lol @ Colt, never change bud.

14 Feb 2018 16:31:51
#1 Acquiring Kane is a mistake. Too much trouble I would
never give that for a rental that's been nothing but
trouble his whole career.

#2 Overpayment for a rental, but Nash might have a bidding
war that nets this type of return in the end. You Could
be onto something with a realistic trade there.

#3 Looks like a good trade value wise, but I don't think the
leafs are in a cap position to take on Green's Salary
unless they move out another salary in another trade.

11 Feb 2018 22:18:37
Mtl trades Max pacioretty(50% retained), charles Hudon.

STL trades Robert thomas, 2019 1st, 2018 2nd, 2018 3rd.

12 Feb 2018 00:44:12
Idk how open St. Louis would be to do that tbh. Sure the values there, but that means they give up four first round picks for Brayden Schenn and Max Pacioretty (Thomas was a 1st in 17). Idrk.

12 Feb 2018 02:33:40
Blues pass. no need for patches. No one would pay that price.

12 Feb 2018 02:38:51
Also who the hell wants hudon. Really guy.

12 Feb 2018 04:39:42
So redwing1 idk why u put your name that when u are a stl fan.

12 Feb 2018 14:00:34
I'm both. Born in Michigan moved to stl right about highschool. Friends are blues fans and redwing have been irrelevant for a few. But I have already explained this. Besides how many Detroit posts do you see on this boarD not many at all.

10 Feb 2018 15:49:16
St Louis: Stasny,Dunn,2 rd pick 2019

Chicago: Toews

Is this fair for both teams. Chicago downgrade center but could resign him if he adept around 4 million. I'd say it's fair Right? Chicago gets a good defense prospect to replace Keith maybe

10 Feb 2018 18:21:35
Edmondson is out 6 weeks so making dunn available is a no go. Besides he is looking to be jaybos replacement. Why wouldn't blues resign stats at 4 mil.

10 Feb 2018 19:12:57
Wtf is this lol.

10 Feb 2018 21:53:46
Toews will more than likely be a Hawk for life.

 
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