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13 Dec 2018 17:27:34
St Louis: Tarasenko, Bowmester (cap dump).

Vancouver: Juolevi, Virtanen, Gaudette, 2rd 2019.

13 Dec 2018 18:59:19
Couple busts for an elite scorer. nice.

13 Dec 2018 16:36:27
To Cgy:
- Jayden Schwartz
-3rd round pick

To Stl:
- Jon Gillies
-T. J. brodie

Rationale:
Stl gets a top pairing dman to cushion to blow if Pietrangelo goes somewhere else. They also get a backup option who has big potential - Allen isn't cutting it.

Cgy gets a second line Rwer to complete their top 6, and with a 3rd they can restock the cupboard a bit in a deep draft.

I think Cgy gives up more value here (#3 dman>top 6 fwd) but Schwartz can really help Cgy score more.

Gaudreau- Monahan- Lindholm
Tkachuk-Backlund-Schwartz
Mangiapane- Ryan-Neal
Bennett-Jankowski-Hathaway

Giordano-Andersson
Hanifin-Hamonic
Valimaki-Stone/ Kylington.

13 Dec 2018 15:25:11
WPG: Ehlers, Little
STL: Tarasenko, Schenn

Jets give up age with Ehlers for a more experienced Tarasenko to contend now. Also get a better 2C with Schenn. Blues get a younger cheaper Ehlers as well as Little to balance the trade.

Jets top two lines after this:

Tarasenko - Schiefele - Wheeler
Connor - Schenn - Laine

Or

Connor - Schiefele - Wheeler
Tarasenko - Schenn - Laine

Thoughts?

13 Dec 2018 16:29:14
no thanks. Rather keep Schenn and Tarasenko.

13 Dec 2018 16:35:23
Tarasenkos better than ehlers and only makes $1.5 mill more.
Schenn is as good as little is, had a great year last year and is putting up good numbers again. And he makes $100k less than little.
Don’t see the point at all. If blues are trading top players they will have top prospects or high picks in their sights. Not direct replacements for this year.

13 Dec 2018 20:01:29
Yeah, I can't see any reason for St. Louis to pull the trigger on this one. If they were going to rebuild they would want someone younger than Little.

13 Dec 2018 12:35:28
So apperently Freidman says Toronto didn't want to trade Nylander in a deal for Pietrangelo. Blues put him in with Nylander discussions but it was the Leafs who decided to keep Nylander. He notes maybe for two reasons, Nylander is 6 years younger and that Toronto might not be able to fit what Pieteangelos extension might be (he's eligible in July) and that Toronto would prefer someone with term on their deal still in that particular possible trade. Doesn't mean they won't reconsider him at some point.
The biggest take away from this is the fact that his name is out there and that the Blues would consider moving him.

Elliote Freemans words.

Colt, the Leafs wouldn't trade you Nylander straight up for Petro, Then they certainly wouldn't trade you Nylander, Liljigren, 1st for him. You have been proved wrong just a day after saying that's what it would take for Petro down a few posts. That's from Freidman. Not me.

13 Dec 2018 13:14:42
Ah sorry didn't mean to speculate a straight up deal was in talks. I take that part back. But blues would have included Petro in talks for Nylander and the Leafs decided not to go after it. Not sure if it was a straight up deal. But that does show you the Leafs valued Ny a little more and that packages couldn't be worked out to make it work.

13 Dec 2018 14:13:55
I was going to say that. Just because leafs said they wouldn’t include Nylander doesn’t mean Armstrong would have done it if they did. But point well made that cost certainty and youth is valued by leafs more than some people think. If it was with a 6 year extension at $7-7.5mill, I’d really want them to try to acquire him. If it’s with 1 year and then uncertainty or 7-8 years at $8.5+ mill (which with Carlson at $8 mill and OEL at $8.25 isn’t out of the question) then no thanks. Not possible without losing other really key pieces which would take us farther away from winning than closer.

Losing a high end forward for a top RHD makes sense given the team structure. But if it costs us Nylander to acquire Petro, and then Kadri or Kappy and Hyman have to go to re-sign him, I’d rather just use picks to patch up the D and go with the insane forward depth we have.

13 Dec 2018 15:53:55
Does friendman site his sources or is this more speculation on speculation on speculation. I am not saying this did or did not happen. I am saying that just because nylander isn't available doesn't mean that blues will take a lesser payday for Petro. While we are on the same sublject how do we know that Petro was shopped at all. For all we know there hasn't even been a conversation. Or maybe Dubas called army, army said no or told him his price.

The fact is we just don't know. Everything being reported is specualtion on speculation. Its like the exercise they had you do when you were in grade school where one kid makes something up tells the next kid who tells the next kid and by the time it gets to the last kid what was said in the begining and what came out at the end are completely different. There has been no sources, quoutes, no solid evidence any of this has taken place.

13 Dec 2018 16:45:23
Don't really need sources to figure out that proposing Petro for Nylander, a 1st and Liljegren is completely out of touch with reality.

13 Dec 2018 17:22:37
This is a trade rumour site. Speculation on speculation is what it’s founded on lol blues are struggling, coach is fired, they still struggle, reports say core players are available, they have good RHD, leafs fans are well represented on this site, leafs need RHD lol yes, we are all aware it’s speculative, but if all you want is confirmed trades on a site you read, then read team press releases.

99% of the players we discuss on here don’t get traded and 80% of players that the ‘experts’ speculate about don’t get traded. Who cares. You talk about all different players on here like we all do, but because it’s your team struggling and under the microscope, you’re taking issue. Crappy teams have rumours follow them. When it’s a crappy team that was expected to be really good, they get more rumours. That’s life.

13 Dec 2018 17:30:13
Friedman is the source. He doesn't just say things to hear his voice. He one of the most well know insiders in the sport. He doesn't just say things for the sake of it.

13 Dec 2018 19:45:09
Freidman's exact words are as follows : "My guess is as follows : St louis put him in Nylander discussions ".

He even admits he's guessing, admits no source etc etc . Can't believe people don't read articles properly but that's life i guess, got to get those hits though and credit where credit is due Elliot is a master at this . Kudos Mr Freidman


Yupp i expected more from you. I would expect that you actually read the article and not what other people spun it to be.

LOL come on people.

13 Dec 2018 03:50:11
Blues- vince dunn

Mtl- victor mete + 3rd

13 Dec 2018 04:11:04
Why. Why would blues do this. The pick doesn't help. Mete is not a good defenseman. Doesn't maske sense. Not at all.

13 Dec 2018 12:28:42
Saying Mete isn't a good D man is pretty funny and shows how clueless you can be Colt. We get it you wouldn't want to do this trade because your biased to your guy and all, but to say the other player just isn't good is so bad. He's got potential for sure, still young and developing and has a good projection.

Tons of reports out there saying the Blues have informed teams that everyone is available, including Senko and Petro. Get used to this. Once the Blues do make some trades it will just show how bad your evaluations of your players are, just like the Shattenkirk deal.

13 Dec 2018 12:54:04
Same thing I said about the leafs offers. If you don’t want the player or don’t think it’s enough, fine, explain it. But when everytime you just say the players are garbage or crap when they’re not, the argument is lost in a hurry.

13 Dec 2018 15:08:07
Look at metres numbers. I did. He may be a good defensive dma n. But his stats don't match up to where Dunn was at his age. Dunn is already top 4 and in some aspects better than Edmondson. He has skill talent and plays d pretty well. His biggest flaw he isn't physical. The 3rd round pick doesn't cover the skill difference. Doesn't make sense.

Also yes shatty didn't get as much as expected. He handcuffed the team bhy letting people know he would only go to nyr

He did get Sandford, who stepped in and played well. He has had two injuries and it has hampered his development kid still has skill. We got a first which we used to get schenn. So all in all it worked out.

Also if you actually read the tweet by Jr, it's lebrun who speculates that Armstrong is listening. That's it. If you disagree look it up.

13 Dec 2018 16:29:34
No from mtl Mete is younger and I don't see why mtl would add a pick to get Dunn. Mtl is high on Mete and he's dojng good since being sent down to gain more confidence. Mtl is not giving up on a guy like him who made the team at 19 year old as a D. I like Dunn but I would prefer to keep Mete.

13 Dec 2018 16:38:33
Mete is a good defensemen and when Dunn was his age (20) he was at the same level then Mete. I actually think mtl should keep Mete he 19 and is only going to get better. I see him as Webers partner next year.

13 Dec 2018 16:36:31
Jim you are continually offering quantity for Quality. WHy would a team do this with every good player they have. Geez you turn 4 top nhl players into 20 mehh and potential players. I am sorry but nothing Mette has done yet outside of OHL speaks he is a great player. Dunn is the second to first pairing dman right now and a PP guy. He looks really good as 22 year old has played 27 games has 3 goals 8 assists and is plus +2 on a bad team. He is getting 19 mins toi. victor appears to be bottom pairing with 15 min TOI and has 2 points in 23 games.

He may have potential out to wahzoo but Dunn has proven himself and is yougn enough to be core moving forward. SO No thanks.

12 Dec 2018 17:47:34
Tor-
Marner Lijgren

STL
Parayko Kostin or petro fabbri.

12 Dec 2018 18:21:44
Stunned.

12 Dec 2018 18:55:16
Marner>Both packages combined. Would much rather trade Mathews or Tavares.

12 Dec 2018 18:55:55
My job is done here.

12 Dec 2018 19:02:22
Mathews for Petro, Paryanko and 1st.

Not getting Marner for the whole blues organization he’s a hometown boy and the heart and sole of the organization. Mathews is better but Marner will always lead the leafs in point and be the best playmaker with Kane, Crosby, Backstrom and McDavid.

12 Dec 2018 20:31:05
Lol. no clue Colt.

12 Dec 2018 21:06:12
Lol No clue.

So when you want stl's best players it's ok to offer crap. They should just take it rebuild. When I make an undervalued offer to you then I have no clue. It's amazing how hypocritical you leaf fans really are.

Lol doesn't get much better than this. Oh by the way kypreos just said he doesn't see parayko or petro going to leafs lol.

12 Dec 2018 21:23:14
Kipper is also the one who said leafs would be a fit and sparked all theee talks last weekend lol who knows. I stick to Bobby mack and Dreger, they haven’t said much other than the obvious which was “changes coming in St. Louis and leafs would obviously have interest in good RHD”. Beyond that, we are all just speculating.

12 Dec 2018 22:20:40
When have I posted offers for any Blues players? No offers from me for either. My issue is your Parayko for Hall comment or your edmundson Schwartz and a 1st for Seguin. And when more was offered for Petro (wasnt my offer) than your crap offer for Seguin or Hall, you chastised the offer. Yes I am a Leaf fan, and yes if Petro was available I would be interested in him coming to the Leafs, and yes it would be a lot going to the Blues. Your arguing with me on the players in the offers which I did not validate as acceptable saying I said it was a good offer when I didnt. Again and I will say it slower the. offer. for. Petro . had. more. value. than. your. offers. for. Hall. or . Seguin. That is it.

12 Dec 2018 22:45:58
So by your logic, 'Kadri, Johnsson, Liljegren and a 1st' are crap.

I don't care who your team is [and you shouldn't be talking, STL is 29th in the NHL despite being picked as a top 10 team, got shelled by friggin Vancouver], a 30 goal scorer, a potential 20 goal scorer, a d prospect with top 4 potential EASILY and a 1st aren't crap. Get it out of your head. Petro with 1 year left isn't going to get much more than EK. Kadri, Johnsson, Liljegren and a 1st is better than what EK got for the same amount of term left. AND OTTAWA KNEW THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A FIRST AND STILL CHOSE TO SUCK.

You aren't getting Marner + Liljegren + Sandin + Nylander + Matthews for Petro. Stop it man. You were fine for so long, i don't get it man. If Petro's signed for the next five years or on Parayko's contract, sure, he gets like Nylander + Liljegren + Sandin or whatever offer you're asking, but he's NOT. HE HAS 1 YEAR. And Parayko, simply put, isn't as good as Petro, and although he's signed and is younger, he doesn't provide the same as Petro does.

And a team like STL is desperate right now. You guys just had a in-team fight, and trading Bortuzzo, Sundqvist, Binnigton, Walman, Gunnarson, Maroon and Barbashev isn't going to fix that team. Y'all need something of a shakeup, and its not your bottom six or bottom two dmen that go. Its someone big, unless y'all turn it around.

And remember, teams in sticky situations don't pull off all star trades, unless trading with Ottawa and Melynyk [Duchene]. Anyone with a clue would rather let St. Louis rot this season than overpay for Petro - they'd just go for someone else. Armstrong's going to get desperate, and your not going to end up with an overpayment, your going to end up with an underpayment if a deal every happens, like it or not.

13 Dec 2018 02:30:08
The thing you and leaf fans don't understand is that top pairing right handed dmen do not grow on trees. How long have you been searching for one. So the idea that the blues are doing bad and eould benefit by trading their best dmen for crap crap redundant piece is stupid.

13 Dec 2018 03:38:41
Again, Wait and see.

13 Dec 2018 04:19:34
We will. When one of the following happens will you be my n enough to admit your wrong. Cause if the blues sell really low on either I will come here and admit your right. Deal

1) petro gets extended
2) petro traded for great prospect,1st end 2019 another prospect. Example nylander, liljgren 1sr
3) same for parayko on trade but slightly smaller

If blues get crap then I will admit I am wrong. Can you.

13 Dec 2018 06:16:05
Nylanders not a prospect. You have great prospect, 2019 1st and another prospect. Nylander is an NHL player and has been for 3 years. Pick proper criteria and I’ll agree.

13 Dec 2018 12:30:18
Lmao n Petro with one year left DOES NOT get you Nylander, Liljegren and a 1st. Talk about over value.

13 Dec 2018 13:02:39
Set the criteria. If you tell me “Petros return without an extension will be a young top line player with term, a top prospect and a 1st round pick, over or under?! ” Then I will take that Under faster than you can imagine and if it’s over I’ll admit I was dead wrong and you know more than I do. I would put a condition on you if I am right, but I assume you will just go into hiding and come back with yet another new name again, so no point.

13 Dec 2018 16:41:02
Jim i will let you pick the value. You seem to know everything an i seem to know nothing.

This same rubbish went on before petro signed his contract. If i rember correctly it was like RNH for petro. LOL I give up.

Post all the trades you want. Make all the rubbish offers you want. Create all the quantity sheet for quality you want.

Petro will get a great return or armstrong will resign him.

I am offically tired of this and will now take my leave officially

Enjoyed this board for a while. was intersting but has ran its course.

11 Dec 2018 15:59:59
Oilers: Lucic + Benning

Boston: Backes

Read in article.

Lucic thrived in Boston as we all know and there’s been reports of Boston wanting more toughness and grit (I thought they were fine but guess not) . Lucic I think would easily waive to go to Boston and it could honestly be good for him.

Backes was one of Hitch’s fav players while he was in St. Louis (not to mention the captain) and was very trusted by hitch, he could replace looch on the ideinty line. Lol

Both these players signed contracts and are not living up to the price tag, being moved I think lessen the pressure off both of them.

Issue here is Lucic has 2 years extra on his contract.

Anyways this is what I read and there is believed to be some steam since Boston was at the oilers last home game.

11 Dec 2018 17:51:11
Boston GM Sweeney was in Edm for the Sunday night game. The article suggests two pkayers stick out that they could maybe discuss with each other. Lucic who played in Boston and Backes who could use a change possibly. Benning was mentioned because he was drafted by Boston and played Uni or collage there or close to there.
Just someone speculating.

11 Dec 2018 20:11:19
Bruins will not trade for Lucic, contract is 2 more years than Backes' and why would they trade for Benning to be their 8th D?

11 Dec 2018 22:08:15
Ask the guy who wrote the article suggesting such madness. Wasn't any of us. He's just speculating rumors.

11 Dec 2018 23:14:47
Benning isn’t much value if they value Backes contract a lot more than Lucic’s. Also I’m pretty sure they didn’t sign Benning after he was done college. But if there WANTING to get Lucic then maybe it could happen.

12 Dec 2018 02:07:46
Bigger trade maybe? Oilers want krug and Boston need help from forward

Edmonton : Lucic, nugent-Hopkins, benning

Boston : backes and krug?

12 Dec 2018 10:37:23
Another article was stating potentially Boston was watching spooner as well? Most likely not but he is for sure on the block I’d imagine.

12 Dec 2018 20:43:36
If Lucic has any chance of living up to that contract it will be in Boston where they still play the style of play he is best suited for. Hitch has the right idea I think playing him on a thumper line. but that's a hefty price tag for a guy playing 3rd/ 4th line minutes.

13 Dec 2018 16:22:07
Spooner on the block?! lol PC is like that guy that trades his new car in every 6 months and takes the big hit on depreciation for the next guy. Turns Eberle into strome, into spooner and weeks later what’s he looking for? Someone to stock their vending machine?!

13 Dec 2018 16:28:23
Spooner on the trade block?! Lol PC is like the guy that trades in his new car every 6 months and takes the big hit on depreciation for the next guy. Turns eberle into strome, strome into spooner. Now spooner into what? A guy to stock the vending machines?! Lol kept his monthly payments the same but is driving a civic instead of the Cadillac he started with. So bad.

11 Dec 2018 13:18:58
Blues: Tarasenko

Dallas: Faksa, Lindell, Honka, Nichuskin rights, 1rd 2019, Radulov @1.5 million retain

11 Dec 2018 14:27:20
Um no. That's awefu l. How bout this

Sundqvuist, Sandford, walman 2022 2nd and toropchenko

For

Seguin

Get 're done boom boom.

11 Dec 2018 15:10:43
The gap between Radulov and Senko is probably a 1st. What even is this?

11 Dec 2018 15:18:56
yeah sorry but radulov is 32 that's 6 years older thank tarasenko. No thanks. This deal is crap. /.

11 Dec 2018 15:50:43
Tha gap between Radulov and Tarasenko is definitely not a 1st lol.

11 Dec 2018 19:08:14
The gap between Radulov and Tarasenko is not all of that, Lindell is a #3d, Honka is still a decent prospect, and Faksa is a solid 3C. Sundqvist sucks in comp to Faksa, if your offering something it would be:

Edmundson, Walman, Barbashev, Bozak, 1st and Schwartz for Seguin.

11 Dec 2018 19:49:51
yeah i am sorry but schwartz, edmondson and a 1st would cover seguin.

11 Dec 2018 20:19:10
Colt, you are valuing Tarasenko, Parayko and Pietrangelo all higher than Seguin who is the best of the bunch.

11 Dec 2018 21:23:31
exactly, so radulov, lindell and the 1st covers senko?

11 Dec 2018 22:17:27
Yeah no.

11 Dec 2018 07:18:16
Just a shot in the dark on this one.

To STL

Travis Zajac
Pavel Zacha
Michael McLeod
John Quennville
2ND Round Pick in 2019
1st Round Pick in 2020

To NJD

Vladimir Tarasenko
Colton Parayko

11 Dec 2018 09:26:02
I can tell you’re a Devils fan, my god. I’m going to give you a lesson here, quantity does NOT equal quality. That package doesn’t get you Tarasenko OR Parayko, let alone both together.

11 Dec 2018 12:28:05
I’d bet anything that package would get one of them. That’s definitely a lot better then what Karlsson got And Kessel.

11 Dec 2018 14:29:50
Blues say no. Quantity doesn't equal quality. If nj, wants parayko think hall.

11 Dec 2018 15:12:50
Hall for Paryanko, Thomas, Kyrou And 1st?

11 Dec 2018 16:04:44
No who is parayko.

Blues once again ate not trading our best players for a bunch of lesser pieces.

11 Dec 2018 03:24:57
Totally spit-balling here

STL is struggling mightily, crazy with the off-season they had and they still suck

BOS needs a top 6 winger and I've heard Tarasenko's name in a couple rumors.

BOS gets: Tarasenko (20% retained)- makes it 6 mill a year
2019 3rd rounder

STL gets:
Krug- incredibly gifted OFD
Ryan Donato- Similar game to Tarasenko, high end prospect, looks really solid in past few games
2019 1st rounder

STL get pieces back that can still help them win now, with the right linemates, maybe Oreilly and Schwartz, Donato can really develop into a stud, Krug is one of the more underrated OFD in the league, guarantee for 60 points and a great PP QB. Cap is added so Bruins have a little more wiggle room for young player.

Perfect buy low value on senko although Bruins are still giving up a lot

11 Dec 2018 03:43:47
i would do this from a st louis point of view. the main thing i think from boston, do they have the defensive depth to be able to give up a piece like krug?

11 Dec 2018 03:46:06
Blues laugh at you then just out of spite offer jaybo and steen for macavoy.

11 Dec 2018 04:00:58
@pkane yea they do, when healthy they have 7 really solid D, with their injuries a lot of guys from the AHL came up and played really well, the only thing is replacing a PP QB like Krug, I think McAvoy can eventually but not yet, just a fun trade idea tho.

11 Dec 2018 04:03:45
@redwing what do you think the Blues could get for senko? i get that he's a stud but idk how much more teams would be willing to give them.

11 Dec 2018 05:08:13
I mean the deal isn't horrible but I found the part about krug being guarenteed to score 60 points funny considering he never has.

11 Dec 2018 05:58:16
Teresenko will not be retained at all for this to work.

11 Dec 2018 05:58:30
And I wouldn’t even take that package.

11 Dec 2018 06:23:10
Did it ever occur not to trade your 40 goal scoring player. It's a joke.

11 Dec 2018 12:29:24
Krug And Saint Louis are not a fit IMO.

11 Dec 2018 20:14:42
Senko has scored 40 goals once and that was 3 years ago, you're overvaluing him @redwing.

12 Dec 2018 12:41:10
37, 40 39 33

You don't trade players like that for scraps.

12 Dec 2018 13:16:33
When you score 33 goals 70 pts on a bad year that means your a freaking great player. Not over rated.

10 Dec 2018 22:08:52
Following the McDonagh precedent set by Tampa Bay, this happens at the deadline.
[McDonagh and Miller for Namestnikov, Howden, Hajek and a conditional 1st]

Toronto Trades: Carl Grundstrom [ELC] + Nikita Zaitsev [4.25 Million x 5 Years] + Timothy Liljegren [ELC] + 2019 1st Round Draft Pick + Conditional 2021 1st Round Draft Pick + 2020 2nd Round Draft Pick.
St. Louis Trades: Alex Pietrangelo [6.50 Million x 2 Years (50% Retention - 3.25 Million x 2 Years) ].

[Condition: Leafs must win cup in 2019, 2020 OR 2021, or Pietrangelo must be resigned for pick to be transacted, otherwise it becomes a 2021 3rd]

I’m willing to add Gardiner and Johnsson and subtract Grundstrom and Zaitsev at discretion, i just think the above is more fair.

- This is basically the McDonagh deal, except, instead of getting another player like JT Miller, we get the huge 50% retention. As STL is rebuilding, its definitely possible they have cap space, and if they need more, Toronto could easily take on a one year cap dump like Gunnarson.
- Liljegren is easily an upgrade on Hajek, Grundstrom a downgrade on Howden but is a relatively similar player. Plus, instead of one 1sts we send two, and the only reason one is conditional is because we need to insure success for ourselves too, lol.

Hopefully its not too lopsided. I tried to keep the McDonagh trade as the precedent, and added more since imo Petro > McD. But their contract situations are extremely similar as well.

Toronto Lineup:
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Johnsson - Matthews - Nylander
Marleau - Kadri - Kapanen
Ennis - Lindholm - Brown

Rielly - Pietrangelo
Gardiner - Hainsey
Dermott - Ozhiganov.

11 Dec 2018 00:42:01
I like using precedents as the basis for my proposals as well, and I think the McDonagh one is most relevant for a Pietrangelo deal.

Pietrangelo is on LTIR, and may require surgery for his hand. That could have him sidelined for quite a while. Obviously no deals would be made until he comes back and is playing at 100%, at which point deadline may have already passed. Then the Karlsson trade becomes the most relevant comparable.

Just one question: the conditional pick for Leafs winning cup in 2021 doesn’t make sense if Pietrangelo doesn’t re-sign (he won’t be on the team then) . If he re-signs, they get the pick anyway. So maybe just make it conditional on the extension?

Good job TSS. This trade has a lot of merit. Helps both teams achieve something. I expect if Petro gets moved, a package similar to this one would be the return for him. Blues might wait until next year to see if the team is competitive. Both Schenn and Pietro will be pending UFA’s then.

11 Dec 2018 01:03:37
any proposal with Timothy Liljegren in it makes me want to cringe a bit. i really don't see them giving up on him this soon. i really think he will be top 2 or top 4 in a few years with them and a core piece of their future. i mean if they really get desperate to make a move for top 2/ top 4 help NOW they may do it but giving up that big of a piece would be rough. i'd sooner get rid of Sandin over Liljegren.

11 Dec 2018 03:04:02
Trade is pretty damn well thought out, I just don't think the 50% retained works.

11 Dec 2018 03:49:37
Trade sucks. Grundstrom liljgren lmfao. Blues won't make tgis trade.

Nylander liljgren 1st zaitsev.

11 Dec 2018 04:45:51
I don’t think it’s awful, I just don’t see value in Zaitsev so taking him on and retaining I don’t think works, even if the rest of the package is comparable to what Tampa gave up for McDonagh (who was slightly less regarded, no retention, and had an injury of his own) . Overall I think it’s possible not sure if Blues have the cap or would pull the trigger on it though.

11 Dec 2018 11:27:01
Redwing, don't you realize the Blues are 29 in the league? And Petro at the desdline will barely have one year + one playoff run on his deal.

Nylander goes in a deal for Parayko, long term for long term.

Nylander doesn't go for Petro. Like Tampa and McD, maybe he resigns, but his main purpose is to just be a rental for two seasons.

And to the others: @kane, i kmow, it hurts me to trade timothy, cause he does have that monster potential, but i mean, if our bst chance to win the cup is now, i'd rather go all-in for a dman now.
@jbs maybe gardiner instead of z?

11 Dec 2018 13:36:48
@PKane, I don’t think this is ‘giving up on Liljegren so early’. When Arizona got frustrated with strome and perlinis progress and shipped out 2 high pick prospects for a weak to average return, that has an odour of ‘giving up on them’.

Having to include a good RHD prospect while acquiring a 28 year old top pair RHD doesn’t mean they’re giving up on him, just means it would be something you can expect the other team would need included to make the deal.

I get what you’re saying, it would be nice to see him through, but look at the leafs talent and age of their core. If we can sacrifice a good young player to make the team far better today, we would have to. We were an up and coming team the last cpl years and if you can add Tavares and Pietrangelo in one season and only lose zaitsev off the current roster, you do it. Our goaltending is really good, forwards rival anyone in the league if not set the bar, but what separates Tampa from us is the high end D with hedman and McDonough and then stralman and Serg. Pietrangelo, Rielly, Gardiner, dermott is not the same by any means, but it’s a hell of a lot closer.

11 Dec 2018 14:50:10
TSS honestly I don’t even think you need to add Gardiner, almost just either no retention or move Zaitsev in a different deal as a dump. Just not sure St. Louis can take the salary and not sure Zaitsev adds value to St. Louis. Package is good, Gardiner would be much too much to add imo.

11 Dec 2018 15:32:27
Unbiased Jim. I just see Liljigren being a huge piece of their future, i'd sooner part with Sandin over him.

11 Dec 2018 16:03:28
We kinda need Liljegren more than Sandin is true too. Especially if we are trading out Zaitsev. We still have Reilly and Dermott for left side. Right side one Pietrangelo is gone, we really have no one left with Zaitsev and Liljegren already gone, there would be no one left.

11 Dec 2018 18:25:21
@LeafsGM. I see what you’re saying, my point is that we have a window here where we are have a legit chance of wining a cup. I’m not saying completely forget about the future and worry only about today, but Petro could really be the difference we need. I’m willing to figure out other stuff later. I’m not worrying about who is going to replace the RHD man that we haven’t even acquired yet. If you have a chance to get a prime aged really good player in the position of most need on our roster, I’m doing it.

10 Dec 2018 19:31:10
Blues waive goaltender Chad Johnson.

call up young guy Jordan Binnington.

10 Dec 2018 20:50:05
Johnson Arizona bound maybe?

10 Dec 2018 23:24:57
Robert bortuzzo also just beatbthe crap out of zach Sanford at practise, so maybe that, along with waiving a backup, will be the answer instead of trading from the core lol.

10 Dec 2018 18:39:43
To St.Louis:
Nylander, Liljgren, Marincin
To Leafs:
Kyrou, Parayko, Bouwmeester

Now that is a fair trade.
The salaries make it tricky though so St. Louis adds Bouwmeester as a cap dump and the leafs place him on waivers while sending back marincin as a cheap replacement for St. Louis

10 Dec 2018 19:06:56
In my opinion:
Parayko>Nylander
Kyrou>Liljegren
And then the other two aren’t as relevant to the deal. St Louis is in the midst of a change up/ start of a rebuild. There’s no need for them to trade young assets. Especially when the main piece coming back is a winger, since their best player is a winger already and that’s not the position you typically build around.

10 Dec 2018 19:33:29
you want fair value then here it is.

Parayko Kostin

Nylnader, Liljgren sandin.

10 Dec 2018 19:40:22
themostleaf33-- I thought we agreed that we were not going to bring up your stupid trade offers anymore because parayko, by consensus of the board and by mmost logical people, Cost more than your willing to pay. Do us all a favor find another dman to sell short and under pay for.

10 Dec 2018 20:49:08
Still don't get the high opinion on Parayko. Watched many a game he has played and he is what he is. A 30-40 point dman. Pretty good defensively but makes a few bone headed moves. He gets his high minutes because of an injury to there best dman and because the bottom pairing is weak. I see him as a good top 4 guy. Just my opinion though. I am not convinced Parayko is available, but should he be traded no way does he get what Colt suggests. Again this is just my opinion.

10 Dec 2018 21:12:42
Doncherry, I agree. If I’m St. Louis they believe he’s good enough to let pietrangelo go though, I’m on board! Lol I’ll take Petro over parayko anyday.

10 Dec 2018 22:42:30
Ok, I understand why you may undervalue Nylander, but not Liljgren.
However, the reason Nylander is worth so much is because of his potential, he will be more then just a 60 point player, and a future 30 goal scorer
Parayko has basically reached his potential by this point.

11 Dec 2018 00:15:57
Colt, to be honest what I see as fair is:

Parayko and Kostin for Nylander, Liljegren and 2nd.

Sandins too much buddy. Liljegren is better than Kostin as a prospect, and the 2nd adds sweetner. What your suggesting is Parayko for Nylander and Liljegren because Kostin and Sandin are equal imo (hell, imo, sandins outplaying kostin pretty far), so that's a no dice.

11 Dec 2018 02:35:37
Redwing what if you dropped Kostin and Sandin and added Bracco/ Joseph Woll and 2nd from the leafs side?

11 Dec 2018 03:51:28
Bravo suck. In all honesty any trade for petro or parayko will be over payment. You are gutting the blues defense.

11 Dec 2018 07:16:48
Thermo are we going to ignore the fact that you said Matthews was going to be out 4-5 months?

11 Dec 2018 13:53:37
Ya, I was just repeating a rumour I heard so whatever.

10 Dec 2018 00:48:12
Leafs- nylander, zaitsev and '19
2nd round pick
St. Louis- petreingelo and Carl Gunnarson

Leafs get a top rh dman they need. Petro has 2 years left on his deal and would be a great fit for the leafs as a good two way d man who is in his prime, brings leadership and is affordable for this year and next. They also take on gunnersons contract to evennout the salary but will be off the books after the season. St. Louis gets young top winger who can put the puck in the net and a dman to fill the void as their 2nd pair dman, if St. Louis is going to start a retool I think this could be a good return of young assets for petro as well as they get to keep Parayko who is young enough to fit their rebuild. I realize that Dubas told nylander he wouldn't be traded but with I don't see how with nylander a contract they can afford marner and Matthews, this gets them some extra cap space for next year

Who adds or is it close?

10 Dec 2018 01:29:25
Toronto would still need to add to compensate the Blues for taking Zaitsev's contract. Nylander + would be closer and the Leafs hang on to Zaitsev instead of adding extra to get rid of him.

10 Dec 2018 02:01:45
i'd do it, seems about even. maybe change the 2nd to a 1st.

10 Dec 2018 03:02:48
Nylander liljgren zaitsev 1st

Petro.

10 Dec 2018 09:41:26
Toronto adds and no.

10 Dec 2018 15:08:14
No chance leafs add Liljgren unless Kyrou or Thomas come back.

10 Dec 2018 00:46:00
Blues Trade
Parayko
Maroon
6th Round Pick 2019

Leafs Trade
Zaitsev
AJohnsson
Sandin (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2019
4th Round Pick 2019 (Blues Pick)

Blues looking to shake the Roster up some and a Deal like this long term helps them as this year is basically done for them.

Leafs get there Big RHanded shooting Defenceman plus Maroon gives them probably only this year as he is a UFA after this season a Big LWinger with grit to ride along side Matthews and Nylander, with Grundstrom and TMoore probably ready for full time being in the NHL next year AJohnsson can be put into the deal.

Thoughts ?

10 Dec 2018 02:58:08
Stupidly bad. On par for you pinball.

10 Dec 2018 09:43:58
Ya #redwing1 it's a bit much to give the Blues, I see your point.

10 Dec 2018 15:12:11
It's not bad pinball, could be better, but not bad.
I think St. Louis still sees themselves as a contender though so I would assume they would want Nylander for Parayko. However, if you remove Maroon or the leafs trade a second instead of the 4th, I feel the trade is balanced.
I really like this idea and if Dubas received this offer I think he would jump all over it.

10 Dec 2018 18:41:50
Dubas made a promise to WNylander that he won't be traded as long as he is GM of the Leafs, credibility is huge with Pro Sports and once Dubas said that he has to stick to it #themostleaf33 so I don't believe Nylander will be part of any trade, The Leafs are looking to add to what they have at the NHL level and The Blues are at a point of partly blowing it up and looking to the future, one of either Pietrangelo or Parayko is where I believe they start, don't think they trade both but one will go and with Pietrangelo's injury and Contract I think it's Parayko that is Traded.

10 Dec 2018 00:44:17
Blues Trade
Pietrangelo
Maroon

Leafs Trade
Zaitsev
AJohnsson
Sandin
1st Round Pick 2019

Blues looking to make some changes and heard Pietrangelo might be out there, so what would the Blues want ? a Young quick Forward (AJohnsson), a Top Prospect (Sandin) and 1st Rounder if I where to guess, Leafs would insist on Zaitsev being part of the Deal for Cap reasons plus wanting Maroon to replace AJohnsson this Season which I believe the Blues would agree on.

Thoughts ?

10 Dec 2018 01:05:46
Take out Petro and it’s closer.

10 Dec 2018 04:12:13
Leafs need to have a more proven forward than Johnsson in the deal pinball.

10 Dec 2018 09:42:48
Blues don't have the Cap for a proven Forward on the Leafs.
Who do you have in mind #Leafs17
Marner or Matthews?
I wouldn't trade either one of those 2 for anyone on the Blues.
Blues will be rebuilding not retooling.

08 Dec 2018 21:05:43
Toronto Trades
CBrown
Zaitsev
Sparks
Timashov (AHL)
4th Round Pick 2019 (Blues Pick)

Vancouver Trades
Virtanen
CTanev
ANilsson
Gagner (AHL)
6th Round Pick 2019

Looking at both Teams needs this Trade Proposal does this.

For Toronto they get a little more grit on the 4th Line getting Virtanen, CTanev gives them a Solid RHanded Shooting Defenceman, ANilsson as a Vet Backup to FAndersen is more trusting if FAndersen gets hurt and Gagner loaned to the Marlies from the Canucks gives them that recall Depth should any of the Leafs Top 9 Forwards gets injured.

For Vancouver CBrown is a more consistent up and Down RWinger that gives the Canucks more stability in the Bottom 6 at Forward, Zaitsev is the weakest link in this Trade but still a 4th Defenceman on Vancouver, Sparks is a Younger Goaltender that is a positive over ANilsson, Gagner's buried Contract is moved and getting Timashov gives them another Prospect for the future, exchanging a 6th Rounder for a 4th Rounder is again a positive for Vancouver.

Thoughts ?

09 Dec 2018 14:32:01
I like the idea of adding virtanen and tanev but I don't think Canucks do this.

09 Dec 2018 20:52:27
vancouver gets nothing of value in this trade, big no.

07 Dec 2018 20:30:29
Carolina: Aho

St Louis: Tarasenko

Carolina gets the better player but older St Louis gets a really good young forward for a Russian

08 Dec 2018 02:45:36
I think Carolina would say no. As you say AHO is the better player, younger and a center. Position being key to me here. They would want the center over the winger right now IMO. The younger better player who's also a center.

08 Dec 2018 03:42:25
No from Carolina.

08 Dec 2018 19:36:36
He said tarasenko was the better player. Not saying I agree, but that’s what he said. He’s not saying Carolina gives up the better and younger centre and it’s fair. He’s saying tarasenko is better, but aho is younger and a centre to balance.

08 Dec 2018 21:06:31
None of those players are centers what are you talking about?

08 Dec 2018 21:08:08
No center is involved in this trade proposal Yupp.

08 Dec 2018 21:33:54
Boom boom, he’s always been a winger but has been playing some centre this year.

08 Dec 2018 21:57:39
Aho is listed as a center and has been playing as the #1 for Carolina this season tho. 🤔🤔🤔.

09 Dec 2018 14:46:22
Boom boom says tarasenkos the better player and you tell him that he said Ahos the better player. NO HE DIDNT! Lol Read the post! when you’re shown to have made a mistake again, just be a dick. We Don’t expect any more or any less.

09 Dec 2018 15:18:34
In his last game he took 18 Faceoff’s, the game before that, 3 Faceoff’s. Before that 1 faceoff. The game before that 2 Faceoff’s. One Before that, 10.

You’re right, that’s a #1 Centre. It’s amazing how total hurricanes games go by with a total of like 7 Faceoff’s including the 3 to start periods. Lol where do they sneak there tV commercials in?

I would say “hes been a winger for his career but has played some centre this season” is a fair statement. But whatever, everyone’s top centres take 1-10 Faceoff’s in 18-23 min of ice time in yupps world 😂.

09 Dec 2018 18:19:26
I don’t know what his numbers are but McDavid is center and Draisaitl takes a lot of face offs on his line.

07 Dec 2018 20:00:54
Blues Trade
Parayko

Leafs Trade
Zaitsev
JD Greenway (USHL)
1st Round Pick 2019
4th Round Pick 2019 (Blues Pick)

I still believe Parayko is the Leafs main target, Parayko is a good solid DMan that I would compare to Myers in Winnipeg with Parayko being more tougher but similar Players, Parayko isn't an AllStar Defenceman so please people don't make Parayko out to be more than he truly is and saying it's not even close value wise.

Have a look at the Blues Team they have to do something to build more for the future, Zaitsev is a number 4 Defenceman on the Blues so he isn't a Depth Player and still in his prime years, JD Greenways stock has risen and is a true Prospect, add the 1st and 4th Round Picks and this is a pretty fair Trade Proposal, Cap Wise Parayko makes 1mill more than Zaitsev so Salary really isn't an issue.

Thoughts?

07 Dec 2018 20:48:22
this is trash, greenways stock hasn't rise for nothing, that 1st is 26-31, Zaitsev is a huge downgrade from Parayko.

Stop this.

07 Dec 2018 23:12:20
Not even close value wise. Zaitsev is a 6/ 7 defenseman with a terrible contract to boot. Pretty much a cap dump. The rest of the package is garbage.

Nylander + Liljegren or Sandin would be closer to being fair.

07 Dec 2018 23:44:46
Not a very good trade for the Blues.

08 Dec 2018 02:01:21
NYlander and Liljegren/ Sandin? Even Colt suggested Nylander and Lil for Parayko AND Kostin. Lol Marcus.

And Zaits is a number 4/ 5,not a 7, lol.

08 Dec 2018 19:30:19
Slappers, to you he might be a #4, but all his advanced stats put him as a 5/ 6 at best. I think I'll put more weight on that evaluation than yours. If he really was a #4, Leafs fans wouldn't be trying so hard to dump him off.

08 Dec 2018 19:40:04
@topshelf, Marcus thinks zaitsev is a # 7 because he said Gardiner is a #6. So adjust for reality and Gardiner is a good 3 and a great 4. Zaitsev is a decent 4 or a really good 5.

08 Dec 2018 20:37:31
Marcus, people are trying to dump him because unless your d is stacked, 4D don't make 4 million. that's why. Zaitsy is still capable, his contract is just bloated for his role.

08 Dec 2018 22:08:07
Okay guys. I know things like actual stats and reality don't have anything to do with Leafs players. Zaitsev is bottom pairing at best. Gardiner is middle pairing, but if Jim says he is bottom pairing as well, I can live with that.

08 Dec 2018 22:52:17
But if you guys can point me to any stats that show Zaitsev as a 4D, I'd take a look at them. Anything I can find shows him as a bottom pairing guy if you give him the benefit of the doubt.

06 Dec 2018 14:15:31
Blues Trade
Parayko
6th Round Pick 2019

Leafs Trade
Zaitsev
Engvall (AHL)
Sandin (AHL)
4th Round Pick 2019 (Blues Pick)
1st Round Pick 2020

Blues 4th Rounder was Traded to the Leafs for Soshnikov last Season.

Parayko is exactly what the Leafs are looking for and this type of package if it's true St.Louis is shopping him they would be looking at, it's not just quantity but also quality what the Leafs would offer in this Trade Proposal.

Thoughts?

06 Dec 2018 14:56:38
Once again he is not being traded for that pile of poo.

06 Dec 2018 14:58:57
The only real quality i see is Sandin. the first is going to be a late first and not even in this deep draft year, but next year. And Zaitsev isn't worth the contract he is signed to. I think the blues can do better than this.

06 Dec 2018 15:53:56
Ok #Thunder Turkey let's change the 4th Round Pick to this year's 1st Round Pick but I am also changing Sandin for Borgman so it would now be.

Blues Trade
Parayko
6th Round Pick 2019

Leafs Trade
Zaitsev
Engvall (AHL)
Borgman (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2019
1st Round Pick 2020

Is that enough now?

06 Dec 2018 16:43:56
And this helps St. Louis how? Like you expect them to trade their young top pairing defenseman for your overpaid bottom pairing defenseman and some late firsts?

06 Dec 2018 17:04:11
Leafs gm please be a homer and try to justify this trade. I will be waiting your response.

06 Dec 2018 17:06:39
Typical Pinball trade. One decent Leaf and some Leaf garbage for a quality player from anther team. All based on his NHL19 trades I'm sure, because they are never close to being realistic.

06 Dec 2018 18:59:55
@redwing

It’s simple. Pinball posted a proposal because he enjoys researching the players and teams and wanted to give the members of this site something to discuss. That’s at least four more proposals in the last 24 hours he’s floated than you have in over six months.

As for the trade, I imagine Pinball had a couple precedents like the Hamilton, McDonagh, and Hamonic trades in mind. All very similar players with a similar return to what Pinball is offering here.

So how do you justify being a troll never floating any proposals to try and help the administrator out and keep the site active?

06 Dec 2018 21:10:20
What does posting 5-10 stupid ops in one day have to do with me. I am sorry i don't just make rubbish up and throw it on wall. These proposals are aweful and always favor the leafs.


I can just start creating horrible proposals all day long does that mean i love doing research too LOL. You my friend are a joke. if you weren't others would step up and defend you.

Lets end with this.

Blues are not good trade partners with TO. BEcause TO only (apparently) wants to trade scraps for studs. SO enjoys your homerism It looks good on you brah.

07 Dec 2018 00:50:44
See RedWing, actually you are the joke. I don’t need to go online and cut people up and call them names. It makes you feel good about yourself by trying to make other people feel bad. But you’re too chicken to post a serious proposal of your own because you are afraid of the inevitable criticism that would be coming your way. And judging from the comments I’ve read others make towards you already, you know this as well. Pinball isn’t afraid to post something daily despite knowing that children such as yourself will be looking to put him down. Not because his proposals are bad, but because it’s easy. Anyone can have a list of names and put downs handy and spout them off any time. See, the difference between you and me is that even though I don’t necessarily agree with every post I read on here, I still try to find something positive to say. Every trade has its positives and its negatives. It’s a sign of maturity when you can emphasize with others. Immature childish people look for reasons to cut people down. Let’s face it, calling NHL players pieces of poo just shows the level you will stoop to feel better about yourself. These guys are the best in the world. Even the worst NHL player deserves better than to be referred to as a piece of poo. But you are incapable of realizing that. Obviously a highly self conscious individual, it’s pretty apparent that you have low self esteem. I actually feel sad for you. But you’re right. Let’s end this. It’s very childish. Maybe
Once you start posting proposals of your own I can take you seriously again. I actually wouldn’t be jumping down your throat. I would treat you the same way I treat Pinball. With respect, looking for the merits of your proposal. Because I encourage you, and everyone else, to post. That’s what this forum is about. To discuss rumors and trades, and all things related to hockey.

07 Dec 2018 04:48:57
You shouldn't take me serious it cause I sure don't take your homerism seriously.

07 Dec 2018 10:57:36
Says one of the biggest homers.

07 Dec 2018 11:46:07
I just post proposals for the fun of it everyone.
Yes some are out there but at the sametime you never know what NHL GMs are thinking, maybe Parayko isn't fitting in, maybe the Blues really want to rebuild and Trading an asset like Parayko helps, by the way Parayko was a later Pick like many NHL Stars now and in the past so if anyone thinks a later Pick is garbage think again.
Plus I do remember THall for Larsson and RCourtnall for Kordic to name just 2 Trades that favoured 1 Team.

07 Dec 2018 16:37:53
Yes Taylor hall for larson, that would be the comparable to Mathews/ Marner for Parayko. Not 3-4 pieces for a guy who is top pairing and currently playing 28 mins a night. I get it that you are just trying to throw trades out there and you take a pounding from other fans. When I respond don't take it to heart. My intention is not to belittle you. I will Say that when i see trades that are really bad for blues I will say so. My biggest issue is Leafs GM think that these are legit and on top of that thinks that leafs poo and lesser pieces are worth other teams best players. Pony up value or value or don't make and offer. that's all.

 
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