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20 Jun 2018 17:30:52
Read this in an article:

Oil: Klefbom + 10th + Benson

Blues: Parayko + Kyrou.

18 Jun 2018 18:08:34
Oil: 10th overall

Dallas: Honka

Seen some talk of Honka on the block (honestly idk why, but what iv seen)? And with Heiskanen coming over next year maybe they are willing to part with Honka.
Is the Value there?

18 Jun 2018 19:29:35
Honka and Kappanen are similar tier prospects wouldn’t say they are worth the 10th overall.

18 Jun 2018 23:00:33
Hmm I wonder if Dallas actually has him on the block or not then, and what they’d expect for a return.

19 Jun 2018 04:02:16
Honka + for Pulj possibly.

19 Jun 2018 12:23:52
Just stop! Oilers will value pulj as the 3rd overall, he still has the potential to be a 1st liner . honka for pulj Will never happend.

07 Jun 2018 13:10:04
New York Islanders: John Tavares

Saint Louis Blues: Conditional pick 3rd round pick * 2019

* Becomes a 1st round 2019 if Tavares signs with the Blues.

Saint Louis is in desperate need for a 1st line Center and Tavares would turn them from a mediocre team to a cup contender. New York Islanders essentially get a free pick.

07 Jun 2018 14:45:44
Wow lol. at least my Tavares to sens rumor was respectable. a 3rd might get them his jock strap but that's it. and a late 1st is nowhere near enough.

07 Jun 2018 15:43:50
Nothing you post is respectable.

07 Jun 2018 16:19:16
This is the dumbest post iv seen in a while and that says a lot. JT for a 3rd lmao.

07 Jun 2018 16:38:50
Gonna take a lot more than that jus to get the rights to sign him, and that's a huge gamble. As much as I like Tavares, i'm not sure parting with assets, for a 1 in probably 10 chance is going to be worth it.

07 Jun 2018 21:15:24
This post is just a reaction to what people have been posting UFA rights are worthless guys there is no was a team will send a 1st round pick for a player they can get for free.

Would you rather pay 1 million dollars for a house right now? Or get it for free a month later?

John Tavares is a great player but why give up assets for something you can get for free and may lose for nothing. I doubt a team would be willing to pay a 1st honestly you guys extremely overrate the rights of UFA.

09 Jun 2018 11:48:53
It's just for his rights. Giving up a mid pick for an extra few weeks to try and convince a player like that to sign to your team could be worth it. That's all. It's not a for sure thing he would sign there.
And ya, Rambone, You post the most crazy Sens biased posts ever. Not one to call someone out there man.

03 Jun 2018 03:31:12
Jake Gardiner (D - 4.2 Million x 1 Year; Extension - 5.25 Million x 4 Years) + Jeremy Bracco (RW -ELC) + 2018 1st Round Draft Selection (#25) to the Edmonton Oilers in exchange for Matt Benning (D - RFA; Extension - 2.4 Million x 4 Years) + 2018 1st Round Draft Selection (#10).

- Edmonton upgrades bigtime on defence, and gets their true offensive dman, who, if played on the top PP unit, could be a perennial 50-60 point man as McDavid’s point man. He may be suspect defensively, but that's because he doesn’t have support on defence; Edmonton has Darnell Nurse that can compliment Gardiner’s ‘wild’ style well.
- Toronto downgrades in general in defence, but gets a dman of need: a more defensively sound dman. They upgrade in terms of picks, and thus, that pick can be traded for more defensive assets for the ‘now’.

2018 1st Round Draft Selection (#10 - From Edmonton) + Calvin Pickard (G - 1.0 Million x 1 Year) to the Los Angeles Kings in exchange for Jake Muzzin (D - 4.0 Million x 2 Years) .

- Los Angeles, despite being involved in Phil Kessel trade rumors, should really be looking at a solid rebuild, and should be trading some of their veterans in order to acquire higher picks. They also acquire a decently young backup goalie who could probably fetch decent value at the 2019 trade deadline.
- Toronto acquires their true top pairing shutdown dman. Muzzins older than most of Toronto’s team, but he provides excellent shutdown prowess, and a solid veteran presence. Muzzin is not necessarily a household name, but he's a solid, veteran dman who would improve Toronto vastly.

(Basically, Gardiner + Bracco + Pickard + #25 for Muzzin + Benning; imo, that's not too far off, Gardiner [w. extension] + #25 gets Muzzin, Bracco and Pickard gets Benning)

Free Agency:
Austin Czarnik - 1.5 Million x 3 Years
Michael Kempny - 2.2 Million x 2 Years
Patrick Maroon - 3.0 Million x 1 Year

Resigning:
William Nylander - 6.0 Million x 7 Years
Andreas Johnsson - 2.25 Million x 4 Years

Lineup:
Zach Hyman - Auston Matthews - William Nylander
Patrick Marleau - Nazem Kadri - Mitchell Marner
Andreas Johnsson - Austin Czarnik - Kasperi Kapanen
Patrick Maroon - Par Lindholm - Connor Brown

Jake Muzzin - Nikita Zaitsev
Morgan Rielly - Matt Benning
Ron Hainsey/ Michael Kempny - Travis Dermott

Frederik Andersen
Garrett Sparks.

03 Jun 2018 12:35:00
Edm doesn't need another LEFT handed D man. Come on people. Nurse. Klefbom. Russell. Sekera. Now Gardiner? And Matt Benning isn't good enough for your second pairing.
Oilers aren't giving you 10th overall for leftie Gardiner. Sorry.

03 Jun 2018 12:36:19
I would just rather trade it for Muzzin than Gardiner. Lol.

03 Jun 2018 13:09:34
@Yup
I see where your coming from, but a lot of articles that I’ve read, at least for Toronto, aaid that although a #1 RHD is a priority, a #1 d in general is a priority, albeit RHD or LHD. because you can try and play people off-hand. Should be the same with Edmonton, a 1 offensive dman should be their number 1 priority, because a #1 RHD offensive dman limits the amount of players, and often, you’d find RHD worth more simply because of this. I’m pretty sure you can get players to play offhand and it won't be too bad tbh, but idk.

But Gardiner and 25 for 10 isn't that bad, is it?

03 Jun 2018 13:37:03
I’d rather keep the 10th overall rather then trade it for Muzzin. Also I agree with yup on this one Edmonton is pretty stacked with LHD although he’d instantly become their top pp dman. Gardiner would be on the Bottom pairing with sheltered offensive zone starts.

09 May 2018 17:57:03
Not sure of Mins needs but here we go.

STL- Barbashev, 2nd 2018

Min- Eric Staal.

09 May 2018 23:44:34
Staal is old i'm not sure if i'd give up Barbasehev for him. Ya he's been great in the last 2 years but still for a 34 year old center to get a 20 year old venter and a center is a reach unless you're talking deadline wich is an steep but I guess ok pricr to pay. If Nash got a rubbish ton maybe its not out of the question.

10 May 2018 01:27:26
I think Minnesota can get more he’s scored 40 Goals last season and was a near PPG player on a great contrac.

15 May 2018 04:44:30
Ufa with a great season. 2nd round pick in super deep draft and a rfa center capable of playing 2/ 3c.

08 May 2018 12:19:54
To PIT:
Matt Martin
Connor Carrick
STL 4th 2019

To TOR:
Matt Hunwick
Riley Sheahan


Hunwick didn't do well in steel city but Babcock liked him in Toronto. His cap hit is an issue so the Leafs send Matt Martin (after July 1) the other way. Carrick takes the 6/7D spot. Sheahan was also Babcock's favourite and could serve as the bottom C the Leafs need. Since Sheahan's value is higher than Carrick's, the Leafs add middle round draft pick.

09 May 2018 04:42:49
I'd rather have Carrick over Hunwick. Leafs LD is solid, they need all the help they can get on the right side. Carrick is a serviceable bottom pairing defenseman who is younger and better than Hunwick. The leafs just signed Par Lindholm and also have Miro Aaltonen who will be battling it out for 4C, who, IMO are both younger more offensively talented than Sheahan. Martin can be moved another way, this is a no from Toronto.

30 Apr 2018 05:00:10
to Philadelphia
Hutton

to St Louis
5th

Hutton is a UFA so Philadelphia gets his rights; I don't think St Louis is prepared to pay him

then

to Ottawa
Mrazek

to Philadelphia
7th

Another trading of rights. Ottawa really shouldn't go into next season with Condon, and Anderson is getting to the end of the line.

30 Apr 2018 05:15:03
Wtf lol why not just keep mrazek.

30 Apr 2018 06:03:29
. because hutton is an upgrade?

30 Apr 2018 06:05:49
hutton would be the presumable starter, talbot/ darling style.

30 Apr 2018 06:13:19
I don’t think so dude.

30 Apr 2018 07:18:47
hutton had a .931 and a 2.09 in 32 games, going 26-17-7, meaning of the 94 points the blues got this season, hutton got 59 of them in fewer than half the games. I'm pretty sure he's a starting-caliber goalie.

30 Apr 2018 10:46:45
"Wtf lol why not just keep mrazek"

Because Philadelphia would have to qualify him at around $4MM and give Detroit another 3rd round pick. Plus, Mrazek sucks.

30 Apr 2018 15:56:26
If Hutton is a capable starter why is he only worth a 5th?

30 Apr 2018 17:09:59
Alright didn’t know his numbers or cap but still doesn’t make too much sense. Mrazek was also started on Detroit and looked to be their future goalie so idk what happened to him. And then yeah if Hutton is so great no way a 5th will get him they are going to look for atleast a 2nd plus just like the price tag for Talbot.

30 Apr 2018 17:16:28
because they are just trading the rights to sign him; it happens all the time.

29 Apr 2018 19:37:36
to St Louis
O'Reilly

to Buffalo
Berglund
Barbashev
Edmundson.

29 Apr 2018 21:47:49
Why would buffalo do that.

30 Apr 2018 00:24:23
Because any team would make the playoffs with those studs. oh wait!

29 Apr 2018 08:36:51
Ott: ben harpur

Stl: 2018 4th

Ott: Ryan

Edm: lucic

Ott: karlsson/hoffman/ macormick

Cgy: ktchuk/ 2018 1st/ brouwer /monahan

29 Apr 2018 10:32:27
Calgary doesn't have a 1st this year (2018) and no chance they are giving up Monohan AND Tkuchuk. This is terrible.

25 Apr 2018 18:11:14
to NJ
Steen

to St Louis
Wood
2nd

St Louis seems to be somewhat reetooling and would love to replace an aging Steen with a 22-year-old Miles Wood, who the Devils could handle parting with. NJ needs some supporting cast for Taylor Hall, and with Ryane Clowe coming off the books they have the room for it without jeopardizing their ability to sign Zacha or Hichier.

25 Apr 2018 19:07:39
Easy no from New Jersey big time. Keep the core young and woods is a good player.

25 Apr 2018 19:29:56
I have no clue about woods numbers as a whole in his career so far. All I know is watching him play against the leafs and he always seems to have a goal, 3 breakaways and 4-5 scoring chances. He’s fast as hell and built for the game the devils seem to be wanting to play for the next few years with the core of hall, hiescher, vatanen, butcher etc.

25 Apr 2018 22:42:12
he's physically gifted but often has no idea what he's doing. very grabner-esque.

26 Apr 2018 03:15:59
Huge no from NJ. Wood is Young, fits New Jerseys plan right now. I've been a big fan of his, his speed is unreal.
Especially with an older, $5.75M contract for another three years with a NTC.
I wouldn't do it if I was NJ.
I would try to get rid of Steen if I was STL tho.

26 Apr 2018 12:58:03
For some reason I actually think Wood might be the second best skater in the league to McDavid. That's how impressed I am by his speed and skating abilities. I always bring up his name when talking about speed and skating. He seems to always have a few breakaways a game because his speed.

26 Apr 2018 14:32:57
It sucks because there’s some of the fastest players out there that will never get the chance to put it against mcdavid because they won’t be at all star games. Wood is up there, Kasperi Kapanen from a stand still is the fastest I’ve even seen I think besides mcdavid, it’s insane. Grabner and helm a cpl years ago too.

24 Apr 2018 14:20:08
Just thinking back to a post a cpl days ago when someone had proposed:

Draistal, Bear, 2nd

For

Pastrnak, Mcavoy

Oilers fans had said both teams say no.
Honestly speaking, would you not be batter served having pastrnak to be that legit scoring winger to play with mcdavid, RNH playing second line centre like he can and earn his $6 mill, add mcavoy to your blue line and save $2mill in the deal?! How is this a no from oilers?! There’s no age gap to speak of between Leon and pasta, both on 8 year deals, pasta at 6.6 and Leon at 8.5 and you’re getting a 20 year old RHD who can play top pair already. What am I missing?

24 Apr 2018 16:22:49
When was this exact trade posted? Tbh Iv never seen that trade before posted on here. And with saying that, that’s a no brainer for Edmonton to take oh my god if Edmonton didn’t accept that I’d be pretty confused. But no go from Boston unless they are craving a big young talented centerman.

24 Apr 2018 17:19:40
Currently they have bergeron and Krejci. Why on earth would they trade pasta and macovoy.

24 Apr 2018 17:43:00
to redwing: neither are spring chickens and krejci is a 3rd liner at this point. not saying its its good for the bruins, but they would want a potential franchise center in return for pasta and mcavoy.

trade is aweful for b's though.

24 Apr 2018 18:07:10
Cause there in there mid 30 and they have no good center prospects and boston has a lot of talented young wingers.

24 Apr 2018 18:10:35
Its cause i posted it and people like to troll me i geuss.

24 Apr 2018 20:41:00
The trade might look a little different in a year or two if Bear progresses like he has been. But yeah easy no from Boston.

24 Apr 2018 21:19:07
Yeah I saw it, and I commented 'terrible for Boston', and got three or four dislikes and was like huh? But yeah, I stick to it, that's bad for Boston.

24 Apr 2018 21:19:37
and @MJ, it was on the Talk page, it was proposed by whadya know, Brock.

25 Apr 2018 00:13:11
It was a cpl days ago and YUP said no from oilers lol that’s why I was so confused if I was missing something or if it’s just falling in love with your own players again.

25 Apr 2018 00:22:56
And I get that Bear has been good and has potential, but he’s far from a sure thing stud, mcavoy already is. As a leaf fan, I remember hearing that we stole Jesse blacker in the second round and would be a top 4 Dman. 4 years later we had to add a 2nd and 7th to him to get Peter Holland and he has 1 nhl game played lol same story with Matt Finn. He was very early second round pick after we took Rielly and had huge potential, a few years later he was one of 5 contracts we sent to the islanders for Grabner. This Bear evaluation on this site is hard for me to grasp.

24 Apr 2018 15:05:51
Boston is giving up too much. Edmonton adds.

24 Apr 2018 21:00:34
I also added edm 2 rd pick.

25 Apr 2018 01:29:02
I said no from both Was mainly thinking because Boston doesn't need a center and need pasta and Mcavoy a lot more than a center and a guy almost ready.
Edm needs to keep Drai and go McDavid-Drai at center. If this deal was proposed I do think Edm takes it tho but I don't think Boston does.

But I think Edm should trade some other players before even taking talks on Drai. Klefbom, Nuge, 2018 1st, even Pulujarvi depending on the deal. Would take calls on all them well before Drai if I was Edm. That's also why I said both say no. Boston says no first, but Edm should look around at other options before taking calls on Drai.

25 Apr 2018 02:28:24
Okay. I’m just saying that trade was proposed and you said no from Edmonton. I was just confused how someone who is usually really on the ball on this site could think oilers say no to that. You and mcjesus are usually on the same page, almost exactly and he calls it a no brainer, as I would. Just curious.

25 Apr 2018 06:30:28
I said both say no originally. And then just explained my thought process behind that.
this trade would just never happen.

23 Apr 2018 02:17:56
DRAFT DAY

to NYI
Hutton

to St Louis
6th

Hutton signs with NY and becomes their starter as Halak expires.

23 Apr 2018 07:08:05
6th? Is he a UFA? I actually don’t know but if so then maybe. But could imagine blues want to keep Hutton.

23 Apr 2018 14:30:25
After his play this year, would think they play Allen And Hutton as 1A and 1B next year.

24 Apr 2018 00:00:57
My hypothesis is that hutton will want "unproven starter" money, AKA Talbot and Darling money. I'm not so sure St Louis wants to do that. And yes, he is a UFA.

20 Apr 2018 05:47:50
The kings haven't contended in awhile with there core and now it's probably time for a Rebuild.

LA: Doughty

Toronto: Nylander and 2020 1st * or Brown , Lindgren, 2018 1st And 2020 1st *

* Conditional If leafs resign Doughty

LA: gets a great package for a rental who will leave for free in the summer anyway

Toronto: gets the advantage of giving Doughty his 8th year and basically ensures he signs there.

LA: Carter

Stl: Kyrou and 1st 2018

LA: gets two A prospect to stack there pipeline

Stl: if they miss out on Tavares they desperately need a top line Center to contend.

LA: Toffoli

Dallas: Honka and 44th overall 2018

LA: gets rid of a struggling yet effective player who'd benefit from a change of scenery.

Dallas: Brings in a pretty consistent 25 goal scorer.

20 Apr 2018 14:19:50
So blues should trade the best ohl player this year and thier first for Jeff carter. 33 year old 2nd 3rd line center who missed 55 gsmes last year. That's a huge no.

20 Apr 2018 18:34:58
He’s an PPG player in the right situation he’s easily a 1st line C. What if saint Louis adds Steen and Thomas and replaces Carter with Kopitar.

20 Apr 2018 20:13:48
Thomas killing it in the ohl playoffs right now. Kyrou was best ohl player this year. I like kopitar but he will be 37 when his contract is over at 10 mil a year. Schenn performed the 1c just fine blues need a 2c but not at cost of kyrou or thomas. They are the future and cheap elc controlled contracts. Blues are better off going for Tavares or statsny. Thomas will be reday in a year or so.

20 Apr 2018 20:47:09
Overpayment on the first two but not enough for Toffoli IMO. Also does Dallas want to trade a young D with potential for a forward?

20 Apr 2018 20:57:11
Like I said if blues miss out on Tavares. Good luck going anywhere with Schenn/ stasney as a number 1c.

21 Apr 2018 00:50:16
I'm sorry but schenn has been the best center we have had in the last 5+ years. Thomas will be able to fill in top 6 very soon. Kyrou is the dynamic rw blues need besides tarasenko. SChen had 28 goals 70 pts +10. The blues dominated the league till injuries and allen crippled the team. Carter missed 57 games with injury and has never hit the 70 point mark he is 33 and when his contract ends he will be 37 38. No thanks. I do however think it's funny you suggest to trade us a center who is worse than the one the blues have for a bad contract and older player. No thanks. Good luck with kopitar, carter playing to 38.

18 Apr 2018 22:43:39
Sabres need help, man. I bet these players get traded regardless, so this is a scenario I can see working.

to St Louis
Lehner

to Buffalo
Allen

Two goaltenders who have shown flashes of brilliance, but also probably would benefit from a change in scenery.

---------------------------------------------

to Calgary
O'Reilly

to Buffalo
Tkachuk
Brouwer

Brouwer has negative value to Calgary due to his cap term and hit, but would likely be a learderly presence on a deam devoid of it. Buffalo very well could end up drafting the other Tkachuk, so to have them together would be quite nice for them. O'Reilly would likely be the final piece to get Calgary into the playoffs, and such a power move is probably what Treliving needs to save his job.

19 Apr 2018 04:40:08
I don't think Calgary trades Tkachuk. O'Rielly is good but his contract is huge and plus he's older. Would rather keep Tkachuk and hold on to Brouwer unless a team will take him for a cheaper price. And Allen is better than Lehner IMO.

19 Apr 2018 05:39:19
Yea, no. Mr. “I’m comfortable with losing” is not getting you Tkachuk. He may be the most valuable piece on the Flames. You’d be lucky to swap Brouwer for O’Reilly after those stupid comments he made.

19 Apr 2018 15:12:43
SC4CGY, i'm pretty sure even after those comments he's still worth more the Brower. Just a hunch ahah.

13 Apr 2018 03:04:50
Flyers have cap space for 2018-19 and potentially need a third line centre until prospects can come up. They also need another RHD prospect and scoring winger prospects and have an abundance of LHD players and prospects (Sanheim, Morin, Hagg, Provorov, Gostisbehere).

Dallas desperately needs secondary scoring from resilient (non-injury prone) players.

Ottawa needs prospects - lots of them.

Trade 1:
DAL: Simmonds ($3.975MM NTC until 2019)
PHI: 2018 1st (13th overall), 2018 2nd, 2018 CHI 4th, Jason Spezza ($7.5MM until 2019 M-NTC/NMC) (cap dump)
Simmonds accepts because he'll want a new deal in a state tax free jurisdiction and Dallas has cap space. Spezza accepts because the Flyers are in the playoffs this year and present a better opportunity to win next year)

Trade 2:
PHI: 2018 1st (2nd overall)
OTT: STL 2018 1st (14th overall), PHI 2018 (19th overall), Sam Morin, Mike Vecchione
(Morin is NHL ready and would've been on the roster but for Travis Sanheim, Dave Hakstol, and 2 injuries. Vecchione is NHL ready with a 3C ceiling)

Flyers draft:
2nd overall: Andrei Svechnikov or Brady Tkachuk
13th overall: Bode Wilde, Ryan Merkeley, or Grigori Denisenko

13 Apr 2018 05:55:22
haven't gostisbehere and provorov played the last 2-3 seasons?

13 Apr 2018 06:30:40
Tkatchuk 2nd overall yikes man better options! But fits their org mold for sure. Also for sure not trading Vecchione, guy chose to sign there they won’t trade him.

13 Apr 2018 12:26:54
Dallas won’t trade that pick as they are hosting the draft. And imo that’s not enough to move up to 2nd overall.

13 Apr 2018 15:55:40
PKane88: yes, Provorov has been playing for 2 years and Ghost for 3 years. That's why I said players and prospects.

McJesus: I've seen Tkachuk as high as second but on average 4th overall. I haven't seen Tkachuk, Svechnikov etc play so I trust draft boards. The only consensus I've seen in this draft is Dahlin = 1st overall.

I'll disagree on Vecchione. He signed before last year's draft lottery and Nolan Patrick occupying a spot in the lineup. I think Hextall sees Vorobyev as higher than Vecchione. As a more mature college player, his upside is lower but entry to the NHL quicker than a draft pick or Voro. It'd be a favour to Vecchione to get him playing NHL minutes.

vbbbvvbb: they'd be more reluctant to trade it for sure but it's not out of the question. Getting Simmonds and making a splash in free agency (Tavares? Kane? ) would offset any PR backlash by trading a pick. It's a consideration but I couldn't see them keeping it when it would make sense for them to trade it given the right deal.

PS I could also see this type of trade (trading for 2-5 overall) working with other teams that need prospect depth vice top line quality. I could see Ottawa and Arizona looking to trade down for additional 1st round picks. Philadelphia has tremendous depth but need top line quality. New York is looking to trade up as well.
Just my thoughts.

13 Apr 2018 16:04:42
vbbbvvbb: "And imo that’s not enough to move up to 2nd overall" I think it's plenty to move up. This draft is not 2015. It's not enough to get Dahlin but 14th, 19th, Morin, and Vecchione is definitely a solid offer.

Morin is NHL ready and is an immediate improvement to their bottom pair, if not their 4 spot. Although the fact that he's a former 1st rounder is irrelevant, he was drafted as a project with a later NHL entry date. He'd be on the Flyers now if not for aforementioned reasons.

Vecchione will never be a top 6 forward but is a good NHL prospect that is NHL ready. Many Flyers fans argue he should've been on the roster this year but blame Hakstol's infatuation with slow, aging veterans.

This is for 2nd overall, not Jack Eichel 2nd overall. 14th and 19th are quality picks and 2-5 overall doesn't guarantee a game changing player ie Dylan Strome. The value is there.

13 Apr 2018 17:15:10
Imo you overrate Morin. Even with Sanhiem who is much better/ Valuable I doubt the other team would accept.

13 Apr 2018 17:31:50
Frankly, I don't think you know enough about Morin or Sanheim to make that determination. Sure, Sanheim definitely has a higher ceiling.
It was a toss-up as to who would stay with the team after training camp. Both had great camps and if we didn't have so many young defencemen, both would have made it. Morin also would've drawn into the lineup this year after AMac's injury and Gudas' suspension but Morin got hurt. He was snakebitten this year but was certainly meritorous.

2 mid firsts, Morin, and Vecchione is a solid offer that suits the needs of both parties, not a lopsided homer proposal. I'd hate to give up Morin and those picks, but quality is the cost of quality.

13 Apr 2018 20:43:42
I just think you underestimate the value of the 2nd overall pick no it’s not in the same Catagory as Dahlin but the team trading the pick would need to be an offensive loaded team in desperate need of defence and is no where near contention. So possibly Buffalo is really the only choice the asking price would start with Provornov straight up or Ghost++. Regardless top 5 picks don’t get traded.

13 Apr 2018 21:15:04
Ottawa aren't trading that pick
Dream on and enjoy the series.

13 Apr 2018 23:55:20
vbbb: I think you overestimate the 2nd overall pick. These are highly talented yet unproven players. Again, please stop acting like mid-first round picks are worthless. The two leading contenders for the Calder Trophy (Barzal and McAvoy) were taken in the teens. The quality is there. I can name a bunch of recent Top 5 picks that have underwhelmed (Reinharts, Yakupov, E Lindholm, Bennett, Dal Colle, D Strome, Juolevi) .

For teams looking for a complete rebuild that who miss out on Dahlin, getting two picks in the teens and a solid prospect is worthwhile. One can argue that Ottawa and Arizona need prospect depth and should sacrifice quality for less quality but quantity. All of those top teams need a Dahlin, but there's a distinct difference between 1 and 2. It's a reasonable strategy. The teams that could trade that pick suck overall and could use any player, but the logic is that two players are better than one and quality picks occur in the teens.

Any team would love to have Dahlin, but the Flyers are one of the last teams that need him given their quality and youth on defence.

13 Apr 2018 23:57:59
Keyhabs: I'm a cynic by nature so I'll assume the "enjoy the series" remark was directed at the Flyers playing Spearing Sidney and the Cowardly Pengwhines. If so, stones and glass houses and such. Enjoy the offseason with Bergevin with a cancerous Weber contract, no starting centre, a thin prospect pool, and a listless captain leading to a decade of mediocrity.

14 Apr 2018 01:05:13
Arizona does not need depth they’re pretty loaded could use another dman and Center. Ottawa has good depth at all positions imo. Neither team is looking to trade that pick only team that could potentially is Edmonton and they’re searching for a different package. Maybe Simmonds and Ghost for Tkachuk? That’s what I’d ask for if I were Edmonton. A potential gritty presence that’s will likely put up 30-40-70 seasons considering he’s more hyped then his bro who is already a Cornerstone piece.

14 Apr 2018 03:46:04
Just took a quick overview of Zthe sens prospect pool there C depth is very solid but they do need a stud dman. So I think a Provornov-Svechnikov/ Tkachuk swap would be fair.

14 Apr 2018 16:48:25
vbbb: Arizona has lots of top prospects (if you consider Dylan Strome to still be a top prospect) but little depth. Ottawa does not have a strong prospect pool. In fact, the Hockey Writers ranked them 27/ 31 at the start of this season. The Senators need depth; they need everything. I suggested Arizona and Ottawa because several pundits (I can't find the article) suggested that they consider trading down. Dorion very recently ruled it out.

You completely underestimate Ghost and Provorov. Provorov is a #1 defenceman at 21 years old and was tied for the most goals among defencemen in the league this year. Ghost finished with 65 points, 3 off the lead for defencemen. Their analytics numbers were through the roof; they didn't get much credit because they were only paired together the last 3 third of the season.

It's hilarious that you think Simmonds+Ghost = Tkachuk. I'd take Ghost over Matthew Tkachuk right now. Provorov for Tkachuk is an even bigger joke.

You're clueless.

14 Apr 2018 18:26:27
Ghost is 1 dimensional I’ll take Mathew Tkachuk over him any day. Obviously Provornov is amazing and almost any team besides Carolina/ Nashville/ Calargry would take Provornov over Brady Tkachuk both will be elite. But you don’t trade a top 5 pick unless it’s an offer so ridiculous you can’t say no to.

14 Apr 2018 19:51:08
Ghost is far from 1 dimensional. He's been a very complete defenceman this year and managed to rack up 65 points. 65 points! Again, you're clueless. Any team would take Provorov, proven at the NHL level, over a talented yet ultimately unproven entity in Brady Tkachuk. Furthermore, Provorov is a better defenceman than Matthew Tkachuk is a forward.

"But you don’t trade a top 5 pick unless it’s an offer so ridiculous you can’t say no to" Again, this assumes that the top 5 pick is a surefire NHL star, which it's not. Hello Dylan Strome, Nail Yakupov etc. 14th and 19th overall gives you two quality players.

14 Apr 2018 20:30:57
I believe Brady Tkachuk>>Mathew Tkachuk and I’m sure anyone who’s seen both play would agree. Ghost is a younger Kevin Shattenkurk. I don’t claim to be a Flyers fan but from what I’ve seen his minutes are sheltered. Again I don’t watch majority of his games. I like him but I’ll take both Tkachuk over him on a leafs team who needs a RHD so that says a lot. Also you’re talking like 14th and 19th overall are going to play in the NHL. They both have potential to be stars but they’re far more likely to bust while the 2nd overall pick is almost guaranteed to be a cornerstone player. I’m not denying in what you stated Provornov>Tkachuk and I’m not saying flyers should accept it but that’s what it’d take.

14 Apr 2018 22:36:19
Yo 1st off you need to understand that they call it a draft (lottery) for a reason!

Just because ottawa finished 2nd last in the standings it doesn't mean they will get the 2nd overall pick. They won't get lower than the 5th pick but also have the 2nd best odds of getting the "number 1" pick.

That being said, this package yet again is a major low ball offer towards the sens like every other pathetic excuse of a trade proposal most of you people post. Get real and start basing returns on their players and assets with actually value not your own messed up thoughts on how they aren't worth equal value to their other team equivalents!

14 Apr 2018 23:46:09
vbbb: you admittedly know very little about the Flyers then talk about how Ghost's minutes are sheltered from what you've seen. To correct you yet again, host plays on the top pair with Provorov and goes against the other team's best lines. The only favourable minutes he gets is on the power play. Ghost was a younger Kevin Shattenkirk when he first entered the league, but not know. Catch up. You keep digging the hole deeper for yourself.

"I like him but I’ll take both Tkachuk over him on a leafs team who needs a RHD so that says a lot" this implies, but it's not explicitly stated, that Ghost is a RHD. He's not, he plays RD but is left handed. Again, you're clueless.

The second overall pick is not almost guaranteed to be a cornerstone player. Again, Yakupov, Murray, Strome etc. And I don't talk as though mid-firsts are guaranteed to be NHL players; you fail to recognize the fact that there are two mid-firsts. Teams wanting to hedge their bets and get two quality players can trade down vice taking the chance to get one very skilled player but it turn out to be a Yakupov.

14 Apr 2018 23:52:15
"Yo 1st off you need to understand that they call it a draft (lottery) for a reason! " No sh*t Sherlock, but it makes it way more difficult to propose a trade with %7.5 chance of the 3rd overall pick etc. It would be impossible to propose a trade otherwise so we assume the draft lottery plays out like the percentages indicate.

As to your last paragraph, I base mine off the value of draft picks by Scott Cullen at TSN and Stats Sports Consulting. My proposed trade of PHI-OTT is below:

Cullen:
2nd overall: 7.79

14th overall: 5.25
19th overall: 4.44

Even without Morin and Vecchione, it's technically overpayment.

SCS:
2nd overall: 871

14th overall: 456
19th overall: 364

Morin and Vecchione certainly bridge the 51 point gap.

"Get real and start basing returns on their players and assets with actually value not your own messed up thoughts on how they aren't worth equal value to their other team equivalents"

Who has the messed up thoughts? You're clueless.

15 Apr 2018 16:17:23
14th and 19th pick have what? A 30 to 35% chance at best of making a real impact in the nhl and not just being role players. They are very rare.
Top 10 have a 50 to 65% chance of making that impact while top 5 are between 70 and 85% which is all but a guarrenteed they'll be something.
This is the equivalent of trading Erik karlsson for yannik Weber and Ben Ryan. who you ask? Exactly my point, it's a trade no-one in there right mind would even consider.

If ottawa had any intention of moving that pick, especially not knowing if it'll turn into the 1st or not and I'm not saying they should because I wouldn't, it would be the islanders who would have the best shot at landing it.

Nyi : both 1sts they own (8th and 10th overall), the rights to Tavares

Ott : Ottawa's 1st (top 5 overall no matter what but best projected at 1 or 2), and either gaborik, Smith, and burrows or Ryan, and gaborik.

Islanders take the risk at 1 or 2 by giving 2 top 10 with the lowest odds at number 1 plus the rights to a superstar who refuses to resign with them and might very well refuse ottawa too and taking on 2 big cap hits one (ryan) who is still a good threat offensively for reasons I've stated in the past.

Ottawa loses its best chance at dahlin but gains 2 more slight chances to move up in a weak draft year and a shot to sign Tavares before anyone else talks to him all while dumping 2 huge contracts which would free the money needed to sign Tavares as well as EK and stone.

Trade value of draft picks example I have off the top of my head is the 2008 draft class when ottawa traded the 17th overall pick plus a 3rd round pick that year to move up just 2 spots to 15th and draft Erik karlsson.
keep in mind that no-one at that point in time could have ever imagined that EK would go on to become the best defenceman in the world.
But a trade for a pick only 2 spots higher costed them a 3rd on top of theirs for a pick that wasn't even top 10.
Trades like this happen every single year and thus if the 15th is worth that much then 1 or 2 with most definitely be worth a whole lot more

15 Apr 2018 16:39:31
If you’re offered to Role the dice between- Tyler Seguin, Gabriel Landeskog, Ryan Murray, Alexander Barkov, Sam Rienhart, Jack Eichel, Patrick Liane and Nolan Patrick or a package of Ghost and Simmonds. I’m rolling the dice especially considering Svechnikov is much more Hyped then Rienhart, Murray and probably Patrick.

15 Apr 2018 16:54:56
Firstly, I doubt Svechnikov is more hyped than Reinhart, Murray, and Patrick. There's a recency effect at play; we only remember Reinhart now that he's underwhelmed rather than remembering his pre-draft hype.

Secondly, I didn't propose Simmonds and Ghost for X player. However, Ghost is better than at least half of your list and that doesn't include Simmonds.

15 Apr 2018 16:59:20
NoBiasRambo:

Your Ottawa trade is massive overpayment by the Islanders. Do me a favour and post that in its own thread.

Where did you come up with those numbers in the start of your post? ie the 30-35%, 50-65%, and 70-85% chance? Let me guess - these are your own messed up thoughts.

"This is the equivalent of trading Erik karlsson for yannik Weber and Ben Ryan. who you ask? Exactly my point, it's a trade no-one in there right mind would even consider. "

This is the most idiotic statement I've read on here in a while and is not at all what I suggested. I proposed trading draft picks, not NHL players. There's a massive difference between trading upcoming draft picks and real NHL players, especially veterans like the ones you cited. No sane person proposes trades of veteran players based on their draft position. Give your head a shake.

15 Apr 2018 23:24:13
How on earth is that possibly an over payment from the islanders easy e? Like get real dude!

Tavares and Josh Bailey will not be back in New York next season. frees up over 12 million which is more than enough to take on either of those packages. Ryan provides some of the scoring they'll miss from JT as well. and any of the top 3 PICKS are and always have been worth at least 2 top 5 to 10 picks. if it ends up being 1st overall this year with dahlin as the prize then that alone is worth everything they gave up just based on his hype alone. outside the top 5 this is a very weak draft class as well. ottawa is basically hoping one of those picks breaks in to top 3 via lottery odds if anything.

16 Apr 2018 00:52:37
I’ll definitely take Landeskog, Seguin, Eichel, Liane and Barkov over Ghost. I’ll even roll the dice on Patrick watching him play I think he has tremendous potential.

03 Apr 2018 16:24:54
islanders sign and trade tavares
Islanders-Tavares
Blues- Fabbri, Parayko, 1st
Islanders tank for a year, get another high pick/picks if they make more trades. Rebuild around Barzal

03 Apr 2018 17:10:29
Don’t know if it’s fair but I totally agree with the fact that NYI has to trade and forget about JT in order to build around Barzal.

03 Apr 2018 17:44:14
That would have to be one heck of a sign and trade. What terms are we talking.

03 Apr 2018 17:54:41
A signed Tavares will potentially get a better deal imo.

03 Apr 2018 18:33:48
Thats not going to happen if nyi sign him the going to keep him and or he just signs with whatever team he's wants.

03 Apr 2018 19:30:12
St. Louis would want Sorokin the GOAT in that trade. Garth is asking for too much. Typical!

05 Apr 2018 04:56:38
I feel people don't know how sign and trades work. He wouldn't be signing with NYI expecting to play there and then flipped for a haul. he'd agree to an 8 year deal with another team. he'd have to sign that deal with NYI. Part of that agreement would include the trade. NYI would get something somewhat small in return for helping the team/ player get the extra year. They aren't getting 8 years of Tavares return for adding the year and they aren't keeping him in this situation. He essentially is agreeing to terms with another team NYI will just get something instead of nothing for helping facilitate the deal.

05 Apr 2018 19:40:09
In the people got a 2 rd pick for before july 1 for the negotaion rights for tavares that it not 2 very good players and a first rd pick that would be a good trade if he was a rfa.

01 Apr 2018 18:33:58
Buffalo trades Ryan O'Reilly to
St. Louis for Fabbri, R., Berglund, P. and Sanford, Z.

02 Apr 2018 03:56:45
Not enough quality more quantity.

02 Apr 2018 05:24:56
Fabbri quality.

02 Apr 2018 08:22:19
Stl adds Jay Bou ( cap dump ) and a 1st.

02 Apr 2018 18:21:44
@ vbbbvvbb If the Blues added Bouwmeester and a 1st, Jason Botterill would jump at that trade. But I would love to get feed back on that deal.

03 Apr 2018 00:48:37
Robby is coming off two knee surgerys. He is a top six player. With his injuries it hurts his value wOrth more to blues than he is traded. As for the first stuff, blues need to keep thier picks. No need for RoR with emergence of schenn and with robert thomas moving to nhl next year. We may also sign statsny again. No need for this trade.

30 Mar 2018 01:46:49
Arizona has many top prospects (Strome, Merkeley, Fischer, Dvorak, Domi, Keller) but lacks depth. The Flyers need several more top prospects and have lots of prospect depth that are being blocked by other prospects and veterans in the NHL. Assuming Arizona gets 3rd overall and the Blues and Flyers choose 19th and 20th, I'd propose:

Arizona: 2018 1st (St Louis), 2018 1st (Philadelphia), Danick Martel (52 GP 23 G 14 A 37 P in AHL, RFA 2018), Mike Vecchione (57 GP 15 G 21 A 36 P in AHL, RFA 2019)
Philadelphia: 3rd overall (draft Brady Tkachuk)

Martel and Vecchione deserve a chance in the NHL and will likely be quality bottom 6 NHLers that can support Arizona's top prospect cast.

This addresses both organizations' needs. There are two first round picks so it's not quantity for quality.

30 Mar 2018 13:58:15
Not enough would rather have Tkachuk.

30 Mar 2018 15:53:39
Wow Arizona gets destroyed.

30 Mar 2018 23:43:05
vbbbvvbb: you and I would rather have Tkachuk but that's not the issue. Arizona needs depth, as evidenced by last year's trade surrendering 35th overall for 44th overall and 2 lower draft picks. I'd say two firsts and 2 players to upgrade their bottom six is more valuable than a high first rounder.

30 Mar 2018 23:49:56
Keyhabs: Arizona does not get destroyed. They get two first rounders, not one. I read a hockey article equating a good, near-NHL ready college free agent is worth approximately a 3rd round pick. Given that, Martel and Vecchione would be worth a 3rd each. Those two firsts and two thirds is reasonable for third overall.

Evidence?

According to Statssportsconsulting, their values are:

3rd overall: 826 points

19th: 364
20th: 350
Mid 3rd round*: 150
Mid 3rd round: 150
Total: 1114 pts

3rds range from 131-175 pts

TSN's valuation is even better for Arizona:

3rd overall: 7.06

19th: 4.44
20th: 4.83
Mid 3rd round*: 2.4
Mid 3rd round: 2.4
Total: 14.07

There are obviously flaws in each model and methodology but Arizona getting destroyed is hyperbole. It's a reasonable trade.

31 Mar 2018 05:31:08
Cmon man they give up an almost guaranteed superstar for probably a top 6 f/ 4 d (StLouis) + a 2d-3rd Line guy for Tkachuk
Don’t even mention the 3rd or Ahl player
No thanks from Arizona and keep your peanuts.

31 Mar 2018 05:32:56
Tkachuk is a 18 year old elite prospect ( better then his brother ) ready to step into a 1st line role in ( Arizona ) . He is a Franchise player in the making IMO. A meaner Corey Perry. As a leafs fan the last thing we need is a winger but I’d be willing to out pay that package.
Tkachuk-Mathews-Nylander Would be a unstoppable Tkachuk gives other players more confidence to do more offensively like going into the corners because they feel safer with him there as an talented enforcer. I’d be happy giving

Tor: 1st 2018,2nd 2019, Connor Brown and Timothy Lindergren

ARI: 3rd overall.

31 Mar 2018 05:33:17
Stop acting like hockey Is Math.
Teams are not stupid.

31 Mar 2018 13:13:47
lool you can easily get depth players for like a 3rd rd pick. Not a 3rd ovr pick . hahahaha.

31 Mar 2018 19:33:37
Thank you Hoff.

31 Mar 2018 20:27:13
Hoff68: the trade is not 3 overall for 2 depth players; you're missing the 2 first round picks.

Your reading and comprehension skills: hahahahaha.

31 Mar 2018 20:30:35
Keyhabs:

"Stop acting like hockey Is Math.
Teams are not stupid. "

If hockey isn't math, then why does almost every single team employ a hockey analytics department?

How do GMs value draft picks? Through tables and analytics (aka math) that I cited. When Hextall moved up to 35 overall last year, Chayka said it was overpayment based on these types of tables.

Forget analytics, I think teams would be wise to do away with that math stuff, fire their analytics teams, and just pay you for your amazing insight.

31 Mar 2018 20:33:39
"Cmon man they give up an almost guaranteed superstar for probably a top 6 f/ 4 d (StLouis) + a 2d-3rd Line guy for Tkachuk"

The same could've been said about Dylan Strome. How's that working out for Arizona? Maybe it'd do them good to not have all of their eggs in one basket and pick up a quality player in the mid to late first round, like some dude named Mat Barzal. Where was he taken? 18th? Yeah, those picks are real peanuts.

There've been so many guaranteed superstars in the top 5 that have busted in the last few years and lots of great picks later in the first round. Quit talking like those two firsts are valueless.

31 Mar 2018 20:37:16
vbbbvvbb:

Tkachuk has lots of potential but he's far from being a superstar. There are lots of great players chosen in the mid to late first round in the last few years (Boeser, Tolvanen, Konecny etc) . The value is there for Arizona. Discounting those two firsts is idiotic.

Funny how you mention Perry; he was chosen 28th overall. Who was chosen 19th and 20th that year? Getzlaf and Brent Burns. 3rd? Nathan Horton.

The fact that you would overpay that much for 3rd overall means you're the Peter Chiarelli of nhl trade rumors.

01 Apr 2018 05:42:05
Peter Chirelli traded Kessel for Seguin and Hamilton.

01 Apr 2018 12:49:12
And a broken clock is right two times a day. And he also gave away Seguin to Dallas. Besides, and how's he doing lately? Like I said, utterly clueless.

01 Apr 2018 13:29:03
He dosent have a history for overpaying for players (besides rienhart) just underselling them.

03 Mar 2018 04:03:31
Off season

Stl) Steen
Any team) 2d or late 3rd

Ik that Stl is a good team but they really need to get Steen out and destroy the Steen clan

03 Mar 2018 06:05:10
What’s with the steen clan?

03 Mar 2018 12:34:01
Steen wanted to be captain. Apperently STL is a divided room. Half Steen guys and half Petriangelo guys.
Besides that, I think with Stastny off the books end of this year. They should look to move Steen and Bouwmeester. That would make for a lot of cap room to grab someone else and they have some good young talent coming up.

03 Mar 2018 16:54:40
Petraingelo is one of my faves and he’s the future and has been of the blues. its not steens team it’s petros team, St. Louis should rid themselves of Steen clear up some cap room and make a serious push for taveres if he hits free agency!

03 Mar 2018 17:13:58
Pretty sure they'd get a Better return tho he's a good veteran not sure about contract tho. If he's under 5 million for let's day 2-4 more years Of say a late first would be probable.

03 Mar 2018 17:16:54
Stasny is off the book right now yup. He has been traded to Winipeg. And I'm the idiot?

03 Mar 2018 17:37:00
They retained money on him. Still have $3.5M of his on their cap.

03 Mar 2018 18:02:07
They retained half his salary colt. So he’s still on the blues books till July 1st. soooooooo lol yup is right and themat makes you the. I’ll let you figure that out.

03 Mar 2018 18:39:59
Sorry I meant late first or Secound.

24 Feb 2018 22:54:05
To St. Louis
Kane

To Buffalo
2018 1st
2019 3rd
Kyrou

24 Feb 2018 23:34:37
Too much for kane.

24 Feb 2018 23:41:55
Too much.

25 Feb 2018 00:44:27
An overpayment forsure. honestly, I wouldn't trade Kyrou straight up. but that would be more fair IMO.

25 Feb 2018 02:35:25
no from stl.

25 Feb 2018 02:57:44
Take out kyrou.

25 Feb 2018 05:41:38
They don't own a 2018 1st.

 
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