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08 Nov 2018 21:20:57
So there are reports of Sprong (Pittsburgh) being on the trade block, and with Schultz out long term (and Jack Johnsson rubbishing the bed so far) the Pens could want to acquire a defenceman.

To Penguins:
Braun
To SJ:
Sprong

1 for 1, a simple trade, obviously if this was more realistic "balance picks" would be involved.

25 Sep 2018 21:49:57
Toronto Trades
Marincin

San Jose Trades
Heed

Thoughts ?

25 Sep 2018 22:06:28
no from SJ. Heed was over point a game as a Dman in the AHL a season ago. He may never match that but Marincin isn’t near enough to justify giving up the chance it translates to the NHL.

25 Sep 2018 23:11:15
If Heed is really bad it is fair.

26 Sep 2018 00:20:38
Sureeeee.

27 Sep 2018 16:36:45
Hahaha good one leafs.

28 Sep 2018 02:10:22
I hate to admit this. But when Marincin and Klefbom were both young Oilers prospects. I actually have more hope for Marincin. But that's probably because he actually saw NHL action early and maybe that's why I noticed him over Klefbon. They took more time With Klefbom in the AHL.
I liked Marincin, but man did he after not pan out.

28 Sep 2018 07:20:12
I remember you and chirp saying you liked him and it was a good pick up for the leafs. I cringe when he’s on the ice but somehow I think Babcock likes him.

28 Sep 2018 15:43:04
No I had started to realize he wasn't as good as I was thinking before he was traded to the leafs. He had fallen and not gotten the chances as much anymore by then.
I still hoped a chance of scenery would be good and he could climb back or take advantage of a new chance.
But ya, I was wrong about him and Klefbom. Lol. Klefbom just Hung out down in the ahl for a while and all of a sudden got his chance, impressed, and never looked back. He was actually developed and panned out.

20 Sep 2018 14:36:26
3-way Deal
To SJ:
Brown, leafs 2021 2nd, Durzi
To Anaheim:
Braun, Carrick, leafs 2019 1st, Leivo, Rosen
To Leafs;
Sharks 2021 3rd, Montour

Anaheim gets better defensive depth (which they need), leafs get their defenceman, and Sharks get a top 9 forward a pick and a good prospect to help replace the depth and prospects they traded to Ottawa

20 Sep 2018 16:15:11
Anaheim gets worse defensively dude.

20 Sep 2018 17:04:18
I know Montour is supposed to be good, looks impressive, and if I were Ducks, I wouldn’t give him away without a big overpayment. But on the flip side, is he so proven and such a sure thing star that he’s worth leafs giving up Connor Brown, Connor Carrick, Sean Durzi, Josh Leivo, Calle Rosen a 1st and a 2nd? Lol I get he’s probably going to be far better than any of them. But leafs need to keep a stream of cheap youth coming up for cap reasons. That’s trading a lot of guys that could play a role for them for one guy. And before I hear how it’s biased and it’s quantity over quality, I agree, which is why I started by saying I doubt ducks do it either.

20 Sep 2018 17:17:47
The point of the ducks making this trade is to improve their depth at defence, I don’t think having Schene on your top 6 is the way to go, especially not when you could get a guy like Carrick with a low contract as well to play there
Also Braun isn’t bad, he can replace Montour on the top 4 and playing with Fowler or Lindholm, he should be very solid, so Anaheim definetly recieves quality there
Rosen can replace Peterson in a year or so
I think your overvaluing Montour here, he is a good defenceman but if you compare Gardiner to him, it’s very similar, just that one is a righty so it bumps him up a bit, as yourself, would you take that deal for Gardiner?

20 Sep 2018 20:00:04
Well there’s a maximum contract limit for each team also, so ducks losing one player and adding 4 also handcuffs them for future moves. All these things would have to be considered, it’s not just what the in and out is today but how it affects the team and the plan going forward. Durzi is a long shot player, undrafted last year then grabbed late 2nd round of this draft, so is he someone you would want to take if that roster spot being filled prevents you from adding someone of significance at the deadline this season?! That’s the problem with the quantity rather than quality proposals. got to think the ducks had at least 9 chances to draft him over 2 years. How much do they value that guy?!

20 Sep 2018 20:21:25
2 1sts, 2nd And Brown for Montour? That’s almost what Karlsson got.

20 Sep 2018 20:55:21
Problem is, this si super unrelaistic. Where have three team trades happened with this many moving parts, especially with the addition of two div rivals trading with each other.

For the Leafs, stick to one or the other, don't try this three team stuff because itll never happen unless its an extremely major deal.

Additionally, your logic is flawd for the Ducks. Montour > Braun, and Carrick and Rosen are just fillers. Theyd rather just keep Schenn and Pettersson and Sustr.

And should the Leads really trade all of those parts? Especially for another offensive dman?

13 Sep 2018 19:33:17
Eric Karlsson to SJS! Confirmed trade.

13 Sep 2018 19:45:56
Hahaha oh man. I can't wait to see Rambo try and spin this.

13 Sep 2018 19:45:56
Sens get an additional 1st rounder in the deal of Karlsson plays for an eastern conference team this season lol love how they had to protect themselves after sharks already schooled them with Hoffman!

Not a bad haul tho.

13 Sep 2018 19:46:50
Definitely not Braden Point, Sergachev, 2 firsts and taking bobby Ryan with him tho, right Rambo?

13 Sep 2018 19:48:27
Karlsson for Norris+1st+2nd+Balcers+Tierney+DeMelo and conditional picks. that's a lot of pieces, but the big value lies in Norris, Balcers and the 1st. Tierney and Demelo are just fillers and a 2nd is a 2nd

Quite a step down from NBRs cries of ‘Boeser + Hughes + VANS 1st’. VANS 1 > SJS 1, Hughes >>>>> Norris and Boeser>>>>>>everything else.

lol @NBR wya now?

13 Sep 2018 20:08:05
Looks like they were going after Timo Meier and that didn't work out.
Also, the 1st is conditional - SJS has to make it to the finals or it goes to a 2nd i think.

13 Sep 2018 20:25:02
HAHAHAHAHAHA what was that Rambo? Hughes and two firsts or Boeser, Hughes and a first for Karlsson?!?! HAHA you’re clueless. You’re always so arrogant on here like you know everything yet every time you say a player will get this or get that he never does. You know nothing.

13 Sep 2018 20:31:12
I wonder is Rambone will ever comment on it or not.
Yet another homer absolutely wrong of his evaluations.
Colt and Shattenkirk was another classic.

13 Sep 2018 21:23:19
It's so funny they needed to throw that conditional pick in.

San Jose burned them on the Hoffman deal so now they have to cover their ass this time.

13 Sep 2018 21:24:33
Man Ottawa just has not had any luck with trades this year. Pretty brutal imo UNREAL for sharks.

13 Sep 2018 21:53:03
E. Kane and Karlsson are unreal additions.
Karlsson, Burns, Vlasic, Pavelski, Couture, Kane, Thornton.
****. They are the favorites in pacific no questions. And just jumped into the top of the league talks with Nashville, Winnipeg and Tampa.

13 Sep 2018 22:03:16
Awful trade for Ottawa. Quantity over quality by far. Not one high end prospect in return. Plus if you look at the Duschene trade and compare what they paid vs the return on Karlsson, it’s is completely awful value in return. Another bad move by Dorion. Not saying one of the prospects or picks turns out but that’s a lot of risk for an elite top pairing defenceman.

13 Sep 2018 23:28:45
Potentially it’s Norris, Tierney, Demelo Balcans, 3 1st rounders and 2nd.

However for the Senators to get that package, Sharks would have to sign him to an extension, trade him to an eastern Conference team at the deadline and then make the Stanley Cup final lol.

13 Sep 2018 23:56:32
We won’t hear from Rambo until he’s telling us what package Stone will bring in.

14 Sep 2018 00:04:26
Shattenkirk got a first a prospect and conditional pick.

That 1st pick turned into schenn. can't argue with those results.

14 Sep 2018 04:12:55
I said it superstars like Karlsson don’t actually bring much back because no matter what you get it’ll never amount up to what you gave up. Look at the Gretzky, Roy and Jagr trades none got back mush significans compared to what they were.

14 Sep 2018 12:17:18
Habs legit got a better return for Patch than Ottawa had for Carlson

Damn Sens got fleeced bigtime unless Karlesson doesn't resign in San Jose.

04 Aug 2018 18:26:33
Ottawa: Karlsson, Ryan, Smith
Vegas: 1st, Brannstrom, Legace and Theodore

Ottawa: Pageau
Montreal: Peca + 3rd 2019

Ottawa: Anderson + 3rd 2020
San Jose: Dell

are any of these close? what would you add or change?

04 Aug 2018 19:39:19
Karlsson trade I wouldn't touch with Ryan contract.

05 Aug 2018 06:28:31
If Vegas is taking on both ryan and smith, ottawa would be lucky to get a first plus, no way they would get theodore.

03 Aug 2018 14:48:00
If Tampa acquires and extends Karlsson (RHD), they need to move out salary and go all in this and next year.

Philadelphia: Girardi ($3MM UFA 2019), Callahan ($5.8MM UFA 2020 NTC), Foote, 2020 1st (TB)
Tampa: Vecchione, Leier

Vecchione is NHL ready but can't crack the roster and Leier has NHL experience. Both are cheap and would be great depth players for a long playoff run which Tampa is poised to do. Callahan might waive to go to a good, young, emerging team if he's smart enough to realize he's an impediment in TB.

Philadelphia has the cap space to take on these contracts without impeding future deals (Provorov, Konecny, Patrick etc). Foote and Myers would be the Flyers RHD of the future.

San Jose: Simmonds ($3.975MM UFA 2019)
Philadelphia: 2019 2nd (FLA), 2020 1st (SJS)

It's doubtful that the Flyers can re-sign Simmonds long term. If the Flyers acquire Callahan, Simmonds is surplus value and should go to a contender that can pay him $5-7MM for 4-6 years. With Thornton coming off the books, the Sharks can extend Simmonds for their window. Philadelphia has Voracek, Konecny, and Allison as RW long term.

Philadelphia maximizes their return while using cap space and roster spots. 2019 Draft priority is RW.

Flyers 2020-2021 Roster:

Giroux-Couturier-Konency
JVR-Patrick-Voracek
Lindblom-Frost-Allison

In waiting: Ratcliffe, Farabee, Rubstov, Vorobyev, Strome, Sushko, O'Brien

Provorov-Myers
Gostisbehere-Foote
Sanheim-Hagg/Morin/Friedman

03 Aug 2018 15:21:37
Good post.

03 Aug 2018 20:05:43
Foote and a 1st to move out Cally? Don’t think so. It’ll prolly just take the 1st. Cause Girardi is basically just a rental cause his contract ends before any resigning would be done.

Simmonds trade isn’t that bad imo, but ain’t that third line a bit inexperienced? Idk, i'd prefer Simmonds there imo.

04 Aug 2018 07:10:37
Foote and 1st is way too steep a price to pay to trade Callahans remaining contract. Could as well buy him out next summer. And you think if Vecchione and Leier can't crack PHIs arguably worse F corps, they will make it on TB? Weird logic
Either send some good value back or take out Foote and then TB maybe considers it.

25 Jul 2018 01:01:49
Per Eliot Friedman the Leafs and Sharks are interested in Antemi Paniran as a rental. The price Per Eliot is thought to be ( A 1st +a B PROSPECT) I feel like it'll be more then that but not much

Assumption- this is a deadline deal where his value is at an all time low. He makes it clear he wants to test FA and won't sign in Columbus.

Comparison- Evander Kane and Marian Hossa 2009.

Columbus: Paniran And 3rd 2019

San Jose: Kevin Leblanc and 1st 2019

Clb: gets rid of a great player that is unwilling to stay long term. They pick up a promising prospect in Leblanc who's basically a guaranteed 2nd liner atleast and a 1st

SJ- gets a player who can be there best player offensively and they have the room to resign.

Columbus- Paniran and Ryan Murray

Toronto- Jake Gardiner, Connor Brown, and 1st 2019

Clb- Gardiner would be able to play on their top PP and would be an upgrade over Murray. Brown provides top 9 depth and a strong PKer. The 1st is useally a essential when trading for a top tier rental.

Toronto- 100% won't resign Paniran so he'd help the playoff push but Murray could be a long term solution for the 2nd pairing.

25 Jul 2018 04:44:40
Uh so the San Jose trade is terrible for Columbus. Easy no imo. As for the Toronto trade i can’t see Columbus also including Murray, especially since I know you think he’s a stud dman lol.
So I think Columbus could get better offers.

25 Jul 2018 04:53:28
SAN Jose doesn’t have a 2019 first it’ll have to be a 2020 first and Columbus i don’t think would want to wait for a 2020 pick as they have a squad that could compete now so it’ll require a roster player or prospects that’s ready to make the jump.

25 Jul 2018 05:26:49
Honestly if this is a deadline deal with the assumption you mentioned I take this as a Jackets fan. But I would add that if we are competing for a division spot or are even in a playoff spot, I think we self-rent Panarin to ourselves. This is the best team in franchise history and there is pressure for playoff success after losing to the champs in the first round two straight years.

25 Jul 2018 05:47:36
Good point Spencmence. Also you’re right A099 my apologies. Also I’ve never said Murray’s a stud McJesus I’m not to sure other teams would offer more but you could be right.

25 Jul 2018 11:19:20
No, He suggested that the Leafs could or should be interested in Panarin, not that they are interested and looking into him right now. There's a huge difference. You have to rest to understand then respond not just read to respond. There's a big difference.
And it would be a pure one year rental if they did go after him. If they have the space, why not! Go for it for one, year all out.
But your proposed trade for Panarin and Murray is not enough for CLB. Lol. There would be better offers.

25 Jul 2018 13:04:53
Gardiner is the best piece going back to CBJ from the leafs at the deadline butbhe is a IFA too. Makes no sense, especially including Murray. The best piece coming back only replaces murray who was a throw in, and as of July they have a late first and a bottom 6 player for panarin and Murray? Lol.

25 Jul 2018 15:29:41
I would love to see a line up of:

Panarin - Matthews - Nylander
Marleau - Tavares - Marner
Hyman - Kadri - Kapanen
Who - F’ing - cares

Lol but panarin is 100% a luxury. Top 6 scoring is the last thing we NEED to add and if it comes at the expense of Defense it’s a backwards step. The offer above isn’t near enough, and it’s not worth the leafs paying proper value for what we don’t need.

25 Jul 2018 16:38:11
We’ll see what he gets but UFAs never bring back much. I actually think they get less then that.

25 Jul 2018 17:53:14
I think If you don’t include Murray in the trade and include Kapanen instead of brown it’s a decent offer for Panarin.

30 Jun 2018 03:59:50
To Florida: Max Pacioretty


To Mtl: Heponiemi Aleksi and a 1st round pick (2019)

MTL gets a Alex Debrincat type of player (a very talented center) and a draft pick. Florida gets a 30-40 goal scorer.

OR

To San Jose : Max Pacioretty

To MTL: Jayden Halbgewatchs and a 1st round pick (2019)


San Jose got an excellent player for the playoff and MTL get a very good prospect. Jayden have 70 GOALS LAST SEASON IN WHL.

30 Jun 2018 05:35:56
That aleski guy is listed at 141 pounds on whl website at 19 and a half years old, he's got to pack on 25 pounds to even be debrincat size And he's tiny, doubt he ever plays nhl unless he gets in the gym hardcore.

30 Jun 2018 21:27:22
Aleksi Heponiemi has a lot of scoring talent, but sadly, he is just too skinny for the NHL.
5'10 and 147lbs on hockeydb. He just won't survive.

29 Jun 2018 06:00:00
We all heard the rumours about Lucic. His family is in LA. He wants to be close to them. Kings, Sharks, and Ducks won’t want him. Coyotes are the best option.

Coyotes: Strome
Oilers: Lucic and 1st 2019

Oilers get good cap space. Also, Strome isn’t working out with the coyotes. Maybe with his brother and his friend, McDavid, things would be better for him. He is also a first round pick with good potential.
Arizona gets good leadership for the young talented players and they get a 1st rounder.

29 Jun 2018 06:28:51
I saw the article you got this from and as I don’t think coyotes would part with Strome for that, I do believe they would consider moving him if oilers added another piece that makes it interesting. Just idk what they’d add.

29 Jun 2018 16:43:03
Yah no way the Yotes touch that Strome still has potential imo Lucic just about cancels out all the value the 1st holds.

28 Jun 2018 00:39:00
(G) Garrett Sparks + (LW) Matt Martin to the New York Islanders in exchange for (D) Mitchell Vande Sompell + Conditional 2019 3rd Round Draft Pick.

Condition: If Sparks plays 40+ Games for the Islanders, the pick is awarded. If Sparks plays 30+ Games for the Islanders, a 5th is awarded. If neither is met, no pick is awarded.

(RW) Josh Leivo + 2020 2nd Round Draft Pick to the Florida Panthers in exchange for (D) Mark Pysyk.

(D) Jake Gardiner (Extension: 5.0 Million x 5 Years) + (C) Miro Aaltonen (Rights) + (D) Andrew Nielsen to the San Jose Sharks in exchange for (D) Justin Braun.

(I’d love to keep Jake too, but we can’t just keep him and let him walk. We could offer him that extension but we just can’t afford to be paying him and Rielly similar dollars for similar play styles, and with Timothy and Dermott coming up, it doesn’t make practical sense)

This is unlikely. but the speculation continues so. in free agency/ resigning:

John Tavares - 10.5 Million x 7 Years.
Anthony Duclair - 1.25 Million x 2 Years.
William Nylander - 6.00 Million x 8 Years.
Andreas Johnsson - 2.00 Million x 4 Years.
Mitch Marner - 7.25 Million x 8 Years.
Auston Matthews - 10.5 Million x 8 Years.


Lineup (2018/ 19, most expensive year)

Anthony Duclair (1.25 Million) - Auston Matthews (10.5 Million) - William Nylander (6.0 Million)
Patrick Marleau (6.25 Million) - John Tavares (10.5 Million) - Mitch Marner (7.25 Million)
Andreas Johnsson (2.0 Million) - Nazem Kadri (4.5 Million) - Kasperi Kapanen (875K)
Zach Hyman (2.25 Million) - Par Lindholm (1.0 Million) - Connor Brown (2.1 Million)

Justin Braun (3.8 Million) - Morgan Rielly (5.0 Million)
Mark Pysyk (2.2 Million) - Travis Dermott (875K)
Nikita Zaitsev (4.5 Million) - Igor Ozhiganov (2.0 Million [Extension])

Frederik Andersen (5.0 Million)
Calvin Pickard (1.0 Million)

Total: 78.85 Million (Fits)

Then, the year after, Marleau/ Duclair/ Braun will be let go or traded, and Grundstrom/ Engvall/ Brooks/ Bracco/ Liljegren will take their place, and will save nearly 7.5 Million in cap. The year prior, Matthews and Marner will still be ELC so we’ll be good there too.

28 Jun 2018 04:59:15
Am I missing something or is Nylander seriously not as good as Marner and next closeish to Matthews in terms of being one of the top players? Nowadays if somebody makes 1.5-2m more than another guy who thinks they are similar that could cause some issues I’d think for contracts. Just my opinion tho I’d think there’s egos. As I think Nylander is right up there with Marner for sure.

28 Jun 2018 05:51:00
Nylander isn’t on the same planet as Marner. Marner is a Franchise player a team can build around and Nylander is a great complimentary player. Marner is closer to Mathews.

28 Jun 2018 13:41:58
Marner and WIlly had similar point totals, but Marner has emerged as a driver of his line and a driver of play, Willy is almost constantly in the shadow of AM. Both are good, but Marner is more of a catalyst of play, and seems to have a slightly higher upside than Willy.

28 Jun 2018 14:12:10
Marner a "franchise player"? I get you think he's amazing and all but that term doesn't apply here. Call him a star winger or something but franchise player? There's a bunch of better wingers in the league than him that I wouldn't even consider calling them franshise players.

28 Jun 2018 14:49:01
Franchise player is stretching it with marner so far, but if he plays like he did from January to game 7 vs Boston, he’s going to pass a lot of guys around the league for that title. He was dominant in almost every game down the stretch. And in the playoffs, out performed Matthews easily. Matthews is still the best player and most important guy on the team, but marners making a case for a huge check.

28 Jun 2018 14:57:10
Well he’s 20 so obviously veteran Prime players like Benn, Kane and Ovechkin are better but once he gets to that point he’ll be known as a “star winger” I already believe he’s at the Guadreau level. No winger in the NHL can drive a line like that for his age. He’s in the Same Catagory as Drais imo.

28 Jun 2018 15:38:31
Oh I always thought they were similar I didn’t know Marner took off that like in terms of value and play.

28 Jun 2018 15:39:31
Ok. I would say you can call him a star winger right now if you want. With Potential to be a superstar winger. But franchise winger tag on Marner right now is laughable.
Gaudreau is still better, right now.

28 Jun 2018 15:55:29
People forget that Marner had 2 goals in the first 34 games of this season. He scored 20 in the remaining 48 games after being put on a line with Marleau and Kadri in January. For the final 48 games and into the playoffs, Marner was by far the leafs most dangerous player and showed himself to be a big game player. He elevates the production of his line mates to another level. Ex, before playing with a Marner, Kadri was on a 21 game goalless drought. He still finished the season with 32 goals. That’s how good Marner is. Matthews is still another tier ahead of him, but at this point Marner has shown to be another level higher than Nylander, who is still very talented as well.

28 Jun 2018 15:57:53
Agreed there’s better wingers. Just saying I would leave the door open for him, i think he’s better than a lot of people assume. He’s had some ups and downs obviously as a young player. For me to call him more than a star, he has to play like he did lately a lot more consistently tho for sure.

28 Jun 2018 16:30:31
Saw an interesting tweet on that subject:

Points/ 60 since 2016/ 2017:

Marner 2.95
MacKinnon: 2.95
Kane: 2.93
Draisaitl: 2.91
Hall:2.90
Eichel: 2.85
Seguin: 2.79
Giroux: 2.78
Tarasenko: 2.76
Benn: 2.76
Tavares: 2.76

That's pretty elite company for a kid who just turned 21 and still has the build of a 15 year old. He's incredible already and has a ton of room to grow.

I don't think franchise player is too generous a term in his case.

28 Jun 2018 17:32:02
18 players, need at least 20. Can probably still just get under the cap and pray for no injuries.

28 Jun 2018 18:52:04
Love how everyone disagrees with Unsportsmanlike even tho he’s just stating facts. Just Rambo and a bunch of petty oilers fans sad that the oilers aren’t as good as the leafs.

28 Jun 2018 20:23:15
Maybe people disagree with his opinion he also mentioned with those stats?

Sad that the Oilees aren't as good as the Leafs? Yikes. Have you won a playoff series in recent years?
I'm not even going to scream who is better or not obviously we are biased as Fuk on that topic. But first Marner is a franchise player now screaming more homer biased out?
Entertaining as always.

28 Jun 2018 21:25:36
Seeing as how I'm a fan of neither team, I'd say I'm pretty impartial on that front. And that's cool, you can totally disagree that Marner is a franchise player. I was just pointing out that he has very comparable stats to a lot of guys who are considered franchise players, despite being considerably younger, so take it for what it's worth.

As for comparing Leafs vs. Oilers. yikes. Leafs have been a dumpster fire for so many years but it looks like they have finally righted the ship. Oilers have the best player in the world, but with Chia at the helm I really don't know. They have some ugly contracts (trading Lucic would go a long way in fixing that) which is critical in a cap world and for a team that had so many high draft picks they still don't have the depth the Leafs have (in my opinion) . And I'm still flabbergasted by the Hall trade.

Even with McDavid, I would much prefer to have the Leafs entire roster/ system right now instead of Edmonton's. True that the Leafs have not won a series in almost two decades, but I think they are on the cusp of what will be an incredible 10-12 years with maybe even a cup or two. Edmonton needs to fire Chia and get somebody in there ASAP who knows what they are doing to maximize McDavid's potential and get a better team around him.

28 Jun 2018 21:43:46
Well I can back up with what i say with facts and atleast the leafs made the playoffs. Oilers are pretty desperate without McDavid.

28 Jun 2018 23:58:44
Well put @unsportsmanlike. System top to bottom I don’t think it’s a stretch to say leafs. And it’s hard not to blame the guy at the top (chiarelli) for that. He seems to be Teflon tho, people are not nearly disgusted with him in that city. Like if dubas traded marner right now for a mediocre Dman, he wouldn’t be forgiven in a few months and have fans defending him lol should have thrown him out on his ass a long time ago, before you even knew the devils make the playoffs and oilers don’t and before Hall wins the Hart, he’d be gone.

20 Jun 2018 02:56:20
senators acquire: boedker, bergman, 6th
san jose acquire: donaghey, 5th, 2nd, 4th, 5th
florida aqcuire: hoffman

who won the deal overall? thoughts? (i know it wasn't a 3 way deal, but that was the final result of the deal.

20 Jun 2018 03:17:06
Not Rambo.

20 Jun 2018 03:23:21
not sens -. -.

20 Jun 2018 03:25:25
SAN Jose. They are setting up to go afterTavares. Isles better get it done soon.

20 Jun 2018 03:53:37
Florida wins, San Jose 2nd, every other team that wasn't apart of the trade third, than Ottawa.

20 Jun 2018 04:42:13
I really am dying to hear what Rambo has to say. He was so sure we were all nut jobs and were way off on Hoffman’s value. Lol.

20 Jun 2018 04:56:58
Rambo commented on a rumour on the last page. Saying Duchene is worth more than the 3rd overall but is untouchable unless tavares is going to Ottawa lol because he would leave NYI to go to Ottawa, right? Haha so he’s still alive and online, just not responding to Hoffman items.

20 Jun 2018 07:32:11
i don't understand why people say unbelievable to confirmed trades.

20 Jun 2018 14:13:58
He's still around jim he's sneaking around very Rambo like. Soon when we least expect it he will strike and blow us all away lol.

20 Jun 2018 15:31:13
Lol yeah. I just like after he was guaranteeing hoffman was worth a top 10 pick+ (Way off! ) he is now telling us how much Duchene is worth like his evaluation is gospel. Hoffman got 20-30% of what he said he would, and we are supposed to think he’s right on anyone else’s value? Haha.

23 Jun 2018 18:59:34
Wilson and San Jose won. Got all those picks while ridding themselves of a $4M contract.
Florida won next.
Ottawa lost the deal.

19 Jun 2018 15:51:46
Sharks trade Hoffman to Panthers for
2018 4th rn
2018 5th rn
2019 2nd rn

Panthers also get Sharks 2018 7th rn

19 Jun 2018 19:41:24
Depressing.

19 Jun 2018 20:04:29
Such a smart move by SJS. all that cap they freed up gives them a chance to actively go after JT or maybe IK.
Amazing how much Hoffman's value plummeted - that GF just cost him a lot of money on his next contract.

19 Jun 2018 20:55:17
Yeah, that’s way less than I even thought. Still don’t know how guys thought it wouldn’t affect his value at all tho lol.

19 Jun 2018 14:53:21
Sens trade Hoffman, prospect Donaghy, and a 5th to the Sharks for Boedker, prospect Bergman and a 6th.

Pretty underwhelming return.

Looks like the controversy impacted his value, not surprisingly to most.

19 Jun 2018 15:02:01
Amazing deal for sharks if he doesn’t bring any off ice issues along with him.

19 Jun 2018 15:35:12
Agreed McJ. And I would say kudos to Dorion. Boedeker is slightly overpaid but is at least a serviceable 3rd line winger (probably second line in Ottawa) and while I don't know much about Bergman he was a 2nd rounder and could still pan out. The draft picks are a wash and Donaghy will likely never crack an NHL roster so this is a better return than I had expected, given that the entire world knew Ottawa's hands were tied.

Is it the 10th overall from Edmonton as some had suggested? Certainly not, but that was ridculous to believe in the first place.

19 Jun 2018 15:42:00
We'll he's for sure going to bring off ice issues with him. but the sharks don't seem to mind that.

19 Jun 2018 15:42:49
Sharks just flipped him to panthers. 2nd 4th ans 5th.

19 Jun 2018 15:46:16
And sharks were rumoured to be all in for tavares, so they ditched boedker, and ended up with a 2nd, 4th and 5th, a forward roster spot and $4 mill cap space. Good move.

19 Jun 2018 16:15:41
Yes jim that's what they are saying. And it could be the case but for some reason I think they are going after kovalchuk.

19 Jun 2018 17:00:24
Yeah. Either way, getting 3 picks, a roster spot and cap flexibility right before draft weekend for doing some paperwork is a good plan.

19 Jun 2018 18:34:04
San Jose also in on Tavares.

19 Jun 2018 13:13:32
Sens - boedker, B- prospect, 6th rd

Sharks - Hoffman, D+ prospect, 5th rd

So Rambo, where’s the top 10 pick and top prospect? And where’s the Sens fans saying the Drama with his fiancé doesn’t affect his value?

Hard to believe they didn’t get offered more at the deadline when they apparently kept him because offers weren’t good enough.

19 Jun 2018 13:43:16
I tried telling them he lost all value and they didn't listen.

19 Jun 2018 13:44:29
Also yeah in sure at the deadline they had way better offers, just another terrible mistep by the Sens organization, they knew about this issue and waited for it to come out and Hoff to lose all value.

19 Jun 2018 14:35:08
There is 2 ways to look at the not enough at the trade deadline aspect IMO
1) They knew about the stuff happening behind the scene and miss managed the trade thinking it wouldn't come out to the public.
2) Didn't know about it (IDK if it's been conformed that the organization knew or not) and did the logical thing and not rush the trade on a player with term and wait for the best deal.

19 Jun 2018 14:37:30
Crazy good pick up for the Sharks. Along with Kane. And I heard they still aren't done. Good for them.
Hoffman = Boadker. Who knew! 🙈🙊.

19 Jun 2018 14:51:35
Not much of a return but problem players usually don't get much value. I will say this in Ottawa defence julius Bergman is player I really liked in his draft year. He has been inconsistent so far but he still has potential for sure. could be a decent pick up plays a solid all around game when he's on.

19 Jun 2018 14:53:00
That should close the mouth for a while. Unless, because Rambo watches the sport, this Julius Bergman prospect Ottawa got is the next Bobby Orr.

19 Jun 2018 14:57:35
Also at the deadline he may not have had much more value because if this scandal was known to be happening by Sens management I think they would have had to tell other gms about it then too. This was going on for awhile so just because most of us only found out recently it' probably was known by Sens management for close to a year now. Plus Hoffman always had issues even dating back to his junior days.

19 Jun 2018 14:57:45
C’mon habby, Rambo was supposed to say that. Boedker will probably be flipped for Draisaitl, Klefbom and a 1st so it could still work out.

19 Jun 2018 15:41:42
I suspect Rambo will be in hiding for some time after this latest blunder.

The human mind can only tolerate so much embarassment.

19 Jun 2018 15:43:28
Don't worry leafs17 I wouldn't claim he's going to turn into much but he did at least have the potential a few years ago.

19 Jun 2018 15:52:44
Sharks flipped hoffman for 3 picks, freed up a forward roster spot and $4 mill when all said and done. Precursor for a Tavares pitch?!

19 Jun 2018 19:46:15
Damn. I thought it might affect trade value a little bit. Not completely destroy it. veerrrrryyyy weak return. I don't understand why we couldn't wait for a better offer? Or even until FA when people like jvr and nash are signed and off the market. Even worse that they immediately flipped him for a better return. Ahh well guess i got to change my name now . :/.

19 Jun 2018 21:03:22
It had to affect his value a lot. You got to think that superstars are atleast consulted when trades are made. If Edmonton was in on hoffman (which they were at one point) and he’s going to be mcdavid a winger, they are asking mcdavid what he thinks. You think mcdavid wants to expose his gf and other players wives to the idiot that comes along with him? Not a chance. That’s oilers out, then same in another city and eventually the market is half the size, price is down. If it was Just her word vs Karlsson, then okay, but when all other wives (turris, Hammond etc) confirm it’s been going on for months to the point they didn’t wanna be there anymore, I’m fine believing it’s all true.

19 Jun 2018 21:06:01
Haha yeah Hoff it might be time for a name change.

But Kudos to you for coming online today. Rambo is probably in the fetal position crying under his bed, too proud to admit he was way off on valuation.

Hoffman clearly had to go. It's best that Ottawa cut ties without delay, even for a non-remarkable return.

19 Jun 2018 21:13:35
They should have got a much better return or at least have moved gaborik contract but Dorian has even less common sense than any of you on here. worst gm in sens history by a land slide. if he's not fired soon sens will be completely destroyed in 2 to 3 more seasons. he's easily the absolute worst gm in the league and I doubt many will argue that.

19 Jun 2018 22:47:37
Why is it everyone else with no common sense Rambo? It seems you were the one without a clue, even though you watch the sport.

21 Jun 2018 16:17:45
Leafs17 name 1 trade other than the 2nd brassard deal that Ottawa even got close to equal value in return since Dorian took over. the man is a cancer to the organization that needs desperately to be cut out.

21 Jun 2018 21:44:07
Im a sens fan and IDK what pierre dorion was thinking here. I know hoffman lost his value but come on, he is still a very good player and its his wife that caused this drama not him. i'm sure if PD waited a bit for this problem to resolve, he could've gotten a better deal, bcz this is absolutely garbage for the senators

15 Jun 2018 00:11:20
Unlikely Scenario, but considering EK most likely wants out of OTT. what if.

Erik Karlsson to the Los Angeles Kings in exchange for Drew Doughty.

Maybe picks and prospects added in; maybe Rieder, Ladue + 2nd goes to Ottawa while Dzingel + Harpur go to LA. or something like that? I'd assume EK has more value than Doughty tho.

This is simply because finding a suitable trading partner for EK is hard. And finding a suitable trade for EK is also hard; if Ottawa is getting 'pieces' back, and not a 'star', they're losing the trade, plain and simple.

As for this, its simply that EK wants out of Ottawa, and Ottawa needs a completely fresh look, and Doughty could help with that,

For LA, after a couple years of failure, I would have to think they need a shakeup: losing to the Sharks, expansion Knights and not making the playoffs does such. Trading away their best player for an equal talent shakes the dynamic of the team, and may help to make LA a more offensive team, compared to the defensive style they played w Doughty.

And both players have 1 year term left, so that balances too.

15 Jun 2018 06:38:04
I’m not sure If Doughty has any say in if he gets traded or not but there is 0% chance he will welcome a trade going to Ottawa. However if he doesn’t have any NMC well then sucks for him because i'm sure Kings take a good look if they can get EK.

15 Jun 2018 11:26:20
Even just doughty and a 2nd rounder for karlsson and a 4th rounder i could live with.

Mcjesus why wouldn't doughty want to come home to Canada? Pretty dumb comment.

15 Jun 2018 14:36:39
Because Ottawa is the worst Franchise in the nhl and belongs in the KHL.

15 Jun 2018 16:16:35
Why would Doughty not want to come to Ottawa? Are you that obtuse man?

The Senators are a raging dumpster fire at the moment. The owner is a cheapskate and consistently mettles in the operations to the detriment of the team. There are MULTIPLE scandals surrounding the team that are not going away anytime soon. The team is going to be hot garbgae next year and as it currently stands, will not have their own first round pick. They are the league's doormat.

Is Ottawa a nice place to live? Sure. Would any player looking for a chance to win in the near future want to play there? No. They are a joke.

15 Jun 2018 16:59:35
If MELNICK was as cheap Ryan wouldn't be making 7.25 right now and alfie and Heatley spezza wouldn't have gotten the contracts they did. that's just hear say. he's just a spoiled rich guy who acts like a fool and hired the wrong replacement for murray. Hoffman will likely be traded. Randy Lee if found guilty will be fired. drama gone.

They are far from worst team in league carolina has those rights atm.

15 Jun 2018 17:43:50
Lol um I’m not even going to answer why Doughty wouldn’t wanna play for Ottawa lol.

17 Jun 2018 15:14:05
He never said he wouodnt wanna come to Canada. He precised Ottawa. And i don't blame him I live in Ottawa and want out lol.

17 Jun 2018 22:53:07
When exactly did this happen colt66?

Because you don't have an answer mcbs.

27 May 2018 02:28:59
Carolina trades: Faulk, Williams

San Jose trades: Hertl, 2nd round pick

Then sign Jt

Kane Pavelski donskoi
Couture JT boedker
Meier Thornton Williams
Sorenson tierney labanc

Faulk Burns
Vlasic Braun
Dillon demelo

Jones

Could even put Kane Jt and pavelski as a line. Good trade?

26 May 2018 23:52:46
Buffalo Sabres Plan:

Jason Pominville (RW - 5.6 Million x 1 Year - 28.6% Salary Retention) to the Dallas Stars in exchange for 2018 3rd Round Draft Selection + 2019 5th Round Draft Selection.



2018 1st Round Draft Selection (SJS) + Johan Larsson (LW - 1.475 Million x 1 Year) + Eric Cornel (C - ELC) to the Los Angeles Kings in exchange for Tanner Pearson (3.75 Million x 3 Years) .

(Kings are probably looking to rebuild after a dismal end to 2017/ 18; Pearson looks to simply be a 40ish point guy, is expandable for a mid 1st and two young pieces) .



Zach Bogosian (D - 5.145 Million x 2 Years) to the Colorado Avalanche in exchange for Duncan Siemens (D - RFA) + 2019 3rd Round Draft Selection.

(Similar to Colin Wilson deal last year, Avs take on a meh player with a higher cap hit to upgrade their team) .


Resign:
Sam Reinhart (RW) - 5.0 Million x 5 Years
Robin Lehner (G) - 4.0 Million x 3 Years
Nicolas Baptiste (RW) - 1.0 Million x 2 Years

Free Agency:
David Perron (LW) - 5.5 Million x 4 Years.
Matt Calvert (RW) - 2.5 Million x 2 Years
Petr Mrazek (G) - 2.0 Million x 2 Years [Assuming Philadelphia does not qualify]

Lineup:
Sam Reinhart (5.0 Million) - Jack Eichel (10.0 Million) - Tanner Pearson (3.75 Million)
David Perron (5.5 Million) - Ryan O’Rielly (7.5 Million) - Kyle Okposo (6.0 Million)
Evan Rodrigues (0.65 Million) - Casey Mittelstadt (ELC) - Alexander Nylander (ELC)
Matt Calvert (2.5 Million) - Zemgus Girgensons (1.5 Million) - Nicolas Baptiste (1.0 Million)

Rasmus Dahlin (ELC) - Rasmus Ristolainen (5.0 Million)
Jake McCabe (1.6 Million) - Nathan Beaulieu (2.4 Million)
Marco Scandella (4.0 Million) - Victor Antipin (1.0 Million)

Robin Lehner (4.0 Million)
Petr Mrazek (2.0 Million)

- Basically, strip this team of its waste pieces and form a new, faster team identity. Give Eichel a wingman like Pearson too.

27 May 2018 00:23:19
Some makes sense. Decent value on a lot of it, but 3 more years of robin lehner as the go to guy at $4mill? Teams in the league have goalies they would throw away better than him. They won’t be better till he’s upgraded.

27 May 2018 01:01:52
You don’t put a 18 year old dman on the top pair.

27 May 2018 03:45:05
@UBJ

True. problem is, he's an RFA, and they needa resign him, and qualifying would be for 4 million. Maybe not three years, but for sure they'll qualify. And I feel he could actually play decent with a better core in front of him.

26 May 2018 07:49:10
SJS: 2019 1st round pick, Martin

Van: Edler.

26 May 2018 08:26:05
Sharks don't have a 1st next year since they resigned Kane.

25 May 2018 14:28:34
Toronto 2nd and 3rd 2018(both from Sjs) for Montreal Petry.

Adds stability to toronto and help the rebuild for montreal....

Is it fair value wise?

25 May 2018 15:48:58
Better than a first and top prospect like offered before lol still don’t like the 3 years but the price is right for me. But if that’s the price, I’m sure habs could find another team or two in need of an upgrade and get a bit more.

26 May 2018 15:59:18
Petry comes off a 42 pts season. It's going to take a 1st at the very least.

06 May 2018 02:47:09
***If San Jose needs to shed salary for Tavares, Thornton, and E. Kane (should Tavares opt to go to San Jose vice Philadelphia or anywhere else)

San Jose: Morin (1/11 in 2013, NHL ready defenceman being blocked on the Flyers' blue line)
Philadelphia: Paul Martin ($4.85MM until 2019), Josh Norris (1/19 in 2017)

San Jose clears critical salary to sign Tavares and go for a Cup in 2019 with Couture and Pavelski signed for one more year. Norris will likely not make the Sharks next year whereas Morin would help next year as a bottom pair defender with upside.

This proposal is conditional on Tavares wanting to sign in San Jose.

 
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