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20 Aug 2019 23:02:48
Toronto Trades
Marner
FGauthier
4th Round Pick 2020

Ottawa Trades
BTkachuk
LBrown (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2020 (Sharks Pick)

I have tweeked a previous post and took out Holl and DeMelo and changed the 1st Round Pick to San Jose from the Karlsson Trade.
Still think it's a possibility in today's NHL.


Thoughts ?

21 Aug 2019 00:10:04
Ottawa is too cheap. I can't see them considering this at all.

21 Aug 2019 00:41:19
No Ottawa would rather keep their 3 first round picks.

Logan Brown is a big boy. At least a #2 big center

BT 6'3" 23 goals 22 assist at 19. Going to be a star.

1st round pick

Too much from ott.

14 Jul 2019 10:42:53
I have trades i created. What do you think?

#1

Edmonton Oilers acquire RW Melker Karlsson from the San Jose Sharks in exchange for RD Matt Benning.

Melker Karlsson ( 2M @ 1YR )

Matt Benning ( 1.9M @ 1YR )

#2

Edmonton Oilers acquire RD David Savard & RW Oliver Bjorkstrand from the Columbus Blue Jackets in exchange for RW Jesse Puljujärvi, LD Kris Russell & 2020 First Round Draft Pick.

Oliver Bjorkstrand ( 2.5M @ 2YR )
David Savard ( 4.25M @ 2YR )

Kris Russell ( 4M @ 2YR )
Jesse Puljujärvi ( RFA )

#3

Edmonton Oilers acquire RW Loui Eriksson from the Vancouver Canucks in exchange for LW Milan Lucic & 2020 Third Round Draft Pick.

Loui Eriksson ( 6M @ 3YR )

Milan Lucic ( 6M @ 4YR )


Edmonton Oilers Projected Lines :


Leon Draisaitl - Connor McDavid - Oliver Bjorkstrand

Alex Chiasson - Ryan Nugent-Hopkins - Loui Eriksson

Jujhar Khaira - Markus Granlund - Melker Karlsson

Joakim Nygard - Gaetan Haas - Sam Gagner


Oscar Klefbom - Adam Larsson

Darnell Nurse - David Savard

Ethan Bear - Evan Bouchard

14 Jul 2019 14:34:40
They’d be adding more then a 3rd it’d be more likely that’d they’re both traded at 50% retained and both bought out immediately with Edmonton obviously adding a good piece like Puljujarvi or maybe a protected 1st.

14 Jul 2019 17:05:14
Eriksson already said no to a oilers trade at the deadline.

14 Jul 2019 21:28:55
It’s going to take A LOT more than a third to swap Lucic for Eriksson. First, Lucic has an extra year. Secondly, and the most important thing is due to contracts, because of Lucic’s contract, we would have to protect him in the expansion draft whereas with Eriksson we don’t need to do that, we can leave him exposed and protect someone actually important.

Benning has really been planning ahead for the expansion draft making sure every player he gets (including Myers and elder) don’t have to be protected in the e-draft.

So for that reason alone, Eriksson>>>Lucic.

12 Jul 2019 07:15:00
Minnesota Wild:

Jonas Brodin


San Jose Sharks:

Melker Karlsson

Mario Ferraro

1st Round Pick 2020.

12 Jul 2019 13:58:56
Sharks don’t have a first this year. They also project Ferraro as a future top-4 guy, so I don’t think they’d trade him and a first.
They want help on forward depth, not Defense:

05 Jul 2019 09:11:43
Vegas Golden Knights:

Nate Schmidt


San Jose Sharks:

Alexander True

1st Round Pick 2020

3rd Round Pick 2020.

05 Jul 2019 15:51:05
Sharks don’t have a first round pick this year plus can’t afford the cap space to achieve Schmidt. They still have to resign Labanc and sign Thornton and Marleau.

25 Jun 2019 07:49:59
San Jose Sharks:

Evander Kane


New Jersey Devils:

Pavel Zacha

Michael McLeod

1st Round Pick 2020


Then sign:

Anders Lee (7 mil 6 years)

Marcus Johansson (6 mil 4 years)


Top 9:

Hall - Hischier - Kane

Palmieri - Hughes - Lee

Bratt - Johansson - Boqvist.

25 Jun 2019 13:46:41
As much as I wish the sharks could get rid of that Kane contract, the sharks are in no position to sell players and are clearly trying to win now.

24 Jun 2019 19:59:26
New Jersey Devils:

Pavel Zacha

1st Round Pick 2020

Michael McLeod

2nd Round Pick 2020


San Jose Sharks

Evander Kane

6th Round Pick 2020



Hall - Hischier - Palmieri

Kane - Hughes - Lee (sign)

Bratt - Johansson (sign) - Boqvist

Wood - Coleman - Hayden


Subban - Vatanen

Severson - Butcher

Smith - Greene


Of course the roster is somerhing like a dream, but i think it is real.

24 Jun 2019 20:36:10
Honestly, I feel like Kane’s contract is a bit of a hindrance. I’m not saying he has negative value, not at all, but I feel like a 1st, 2nd and McLeod might be a bit much.

22 Jun 2019 18:01:20
Confirmed Trade:

Leafs Trade: Marleau, Conditional 1st 2020 (Top 10 protected, could move to 2021 if it is Top 10), 2020 7th

Carolina Trades: 2020 6th

Expected for Canes to buyout Marleau and he will sign with Sharks.

Thoughts?

22 Jun 2019 18:07:38
Posted this and didn’t see Veritus’s post! Just shook by the big Trades today.

21 Jun 2019 23:52:56
EDM - 2019 3rd, 2020 4th
SJS - Karlsson

San Jose saves 2M. They have 15M to resign Pavelski, Thornton, Meier, Labanc, Donskoi, Nyquist.

22 Jun 2019 04:24:30
This is obviously for Melker Karlsson just to avoid any confusion.

Seems like a reasonable price, although I think Sharks may be high on keeping him because of intangibles.

22 Jun 2019 04:47:32
No ways.

22 Jun 2019 05:28:15
I think the trade is good, but if edm can shed some cap, try getting nyquist on a short term.

22 Jun 2019 20:06:26
I think Donskoi would be the better cheaper option.

17 Jun 2019 14:39:36
Melnyk claims he's ready to spend this offseason and wants to be back in the playoff mix in next couple years and will have to spend to reach cap floor. He's got the means to make good on that back in playoff mix soon but whether or not he makes good on that statement is anyone's guess. Here's what I would do.

1st : Ottawa has roughly 36.2 million in projected cap space already in offseason and will hopefully use around 6 -6.5 million to bring back white and duclair for roughly 3-3.5 million each leaving around 30 million.

Next : Condon, Andy and smith are becoming liabilities so either trade them all for later round picks or buy two of them out freeing 8.25 million more for a total of 38.25 or 40.25 million in space roughly.

Then :

Ott : rights to Ceci, boadker, chlapic, SJS 2nd

Njd : hall

Hall has 1 more year and already on record that he won't be a devil as of next off season giving Ottawa a chance to get him again. Ottawa has plenty in the system now they can afford to give up a prospect and a 2nd as well as boadker. Devils get 1 year of boadker then can lock him in cheaper in next off season and get a top 4 Dman back to replace the 1 they lost for hall in the 1st place, along with a solid top 9 forward, a solid b+ prospect and a 2nd all for a guy the losing anyway next offseason. This then leaves Ottawa with 36.25 - 38.25 million this offseason.

Then :

Ott : CBJ 1st, teirney, davidsson, jaros, Ott 2nd in 2020

Lak : 5th overall.

17 Jun 2019 14:58:36
lol it’d take Tkachuk or Chabot to land Hall he’s not going to be sold as a rental.

17 Jun 2019 15:21:30
That Hall trademight get Halls stick lmao. A 5dman, a cap dump, a potential 3rd liner and a 2nd for a guy one year removed from league MVP. Go home, you’re drunk.

17 Jun 2019 15:33:04
2nd part is coming.

Vbbvbb normally you would be right but not in this case. Halls value isn't as high as it normally could be as he is on record saying he's not signing back with Devils so no team will offer full value Guaranteed. A top 4 Dman, a solid 2nd3rd line speedy winger who's due for a pay cut at the right time, a b to b+ prospect, and a 2nd round pick should get the job done, if they have to add another b prospect to Ottawa side that's cool too, throw in Paul, or tychonic?

17 Jun 2019 15:47:15
So you are saying since an all-star saying he doesn’t want to resign makes his value basically nothing? Boadker is not a 2nd/ 3rd line player he is a 3rd at best Ceci’s rights mean jack rubbish as he is a 5th D and he might not want to sign and you are only giving a B+ prospect and a 2nd. I’m sorry but you’ll need to give up a first to even get the conversation started.

17 Jun 2019 15:56:06
Top 4 D-man? Where? Don’t see one in your original post.

17 Jun 2019 17:56:44
It doesn't matter how you look at it guys, in the eyes of the league ceci is a number 4 Dman at absolute worst number 3 at best on any team, that's a fact despite how bad we all think in is he still eats big minutes and is considered a top 4 not a 5 not a 6 not a scratch, a top 4!

Boadker is a great 3rd liner who can handle 2nd line minutes too. On top of that he has just 1 year left on a bad contract which is more than managable!

Chlapick will be a solid 3rd possible 2nd line forward in time

A 2nd is a solid b to b+ possible prospect after the draft

For a guy who they could wait like every other team if price is too deep and go for him next offseason when he leaves njd yeah, that's a pretty good haul for hall.

Original hall trade that was mixed was straight up for Ceci, he is getting quite a bit more in this one.

17 Jun 2019 19:18:50
1st of all Rambo he never said that nor is it an rumour he will most likely resign they just got a franchise changing piece in Hughes/ Kakko and have tons of cap space. He’ll resign I’ll promise.

17 Jun 2019 19:27:50
Yeah it doesn’t matter how we look at it, but you, the guy who suggested Karlsson would get traded for Point, Sergachev, and 2 firsts, and whose predictions have been proven comically wrong countless other times on this site by history, you’re the voice of reason around here 😂.

17 Jun 2019 19:43:39
Hall as a rental would still command a first and a great prospect.

And if he doesn't sign in new Jersey, why would he sign in Ottawa?

11 Mar 2019 20:45:15
San Jose Sharks:

•) Joonas Donskoi


Buffalo Sabres:

•) 3rd Round Pick 2020

•) Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen.

11 Mar 2019 23:50:37
Huge no from sharks.

12 Mar 2019 00:05:22
not enough for luukkonen.

12 Mar 2019 02:54:35
Luukkonen is years away from NHL, if ever. Why not Sharks just draft their own prospect instead of trading good players for one. Sharks in “win-now” say no.

12 Mar 2019 14:27:41
exactly zamboni! big no from sharks.

13 Mar 2019 00:44:34
I actually don’t understand how my comment has 5 disagrees lol makes no sense for San Jose as they are cup contenders rn.

13 Mar 2019 04:44:58
I didn't disagree or agree on your post mcjesus but maybe because the trade won't happen until this summer anyway could have something to do with it. Also donskoi has not really been impressing sharks management lately.

13 Mar 2019 14:03:21
Fair enough habby.

25 Feb 2019 07:12:12
San Jose Sharks:

•) Joonas Donskoi


Florida Panthers:

•) 2nd Round Pick 2019

•) Maxwell Gildon.

16 Feb 2019 21:25:23
Three-Way Trade Idea:

Columbus Blue Jackets Trade: Artemi Panarin [6.00 Million x 1 Year] + 2020 2nd Round Draft Pick.
Ottawa Senators Trade: Mark Stone [7.350 Million x 1 Year] + Ryan Dzingel [2.10 Million x 1 Year]
Nashville Predators Trade: Dante Fabbro [Unsigned] + Craig Smith [4.25 Million x 2 Years] + 2019 1st Round Draft Pick

--
Columbus Blue Jackets Acquire: Mark Stone
Ottawa Senators Acquire: Dante Fabbro Craig Smith + 2019 1st Round Draft Pick + 2020 2nd Round Draft Pick
Nashville Predators Acquire: Artemi Panarin + Ryan Dzingel

- Ottawa picks up a ton of valuable young pieces, and essentially swaps Dzingel for Smith since Smith has the extra year and could be in play next year.
- Nashville picks up a star caliber player for their top six and a middle six to help them against the Flames, Jets and Sharks: giving them an elite forward core and a chance at the cup this year.
- Columbus essentially swaps Stone for Panarin, and gives up the 2nd to do so since imo, Stone is better than Panarin. However, it is entirely possible that Stone resigns while Panarin does not.

16 Feb 2019 23:05:48
Stone is not better than Panarin in any universe.

17 Feb 2019 00:06:19
Columbus won’t take a chance swapping free agents. If they think they can sign Stone they will wait to do so in the summer. In the meantime, they collect what they can for Panarin. Way too risky to chance ending up with only a 2nd for Panarin.

17 Feb 2019 02:15:08
I'll take stone over bread man every time easily
There is more to the game then points.

17 Feb 2019 13:26:24
Panarin and a 2nd for stone? Laughabl, how many times stone set records for his team? People said panarin was a product of playing with kane and his first year in Columbus set team record for assists and points. And he's not a liability defensively, just doesn't hit, nothing else wrong with his game. Stone is a good player but not the same level.

18 Feb 2019 06:06:37
This is a joke right?

21 Feb 2019 04:04:52
Shootsmcgee your joking right in what universe is stone ever a defencive liability? LMFAO he's literally one of the top 4 to 5 defensive forwards in today's game, something panarin simply is not! Plus his numbers continue to improve every year on a weak team and currently are right there with panarin this year. You can claim it's cause he played with Duchene that his numbers went up but you'd be wrong again as they were on separate lines all season.

12 Feb 2019 11:50:22
NYR: Zuc

for

San Jose: Kevin Lebanc + 3rd round pick

12 Feb 2019 15:01:57
Id rather keep Lebanc for sure.

12 Feb 2019 15:36:51
I think I’d keep Labanc to, younger and very similar players imo.

03 Feb 2019 16:03:50
Ok well Colorado has been linked to stone, Chicago to Duchene, and Edmonton has shown past interest in Ceci and could use dzingles speed with McDavid so.

Ott : stone, Paul, and San Jose's 2nd

Col : Ottawa's 1st this year

Also.

Ott : Duchene

Chi : Chicago's 1st this year, and Chicago 2nd this year, and Chicago 3rd this year

Also.

Ott : dzingle, Ceci, smith, brown

Edm : Edmontons 1st in 2020, Bouchard, and lucic

Condition to all 3 being Duchene, stone and dzingle all agree to avoid free agency and sign with new teams on the spot.

Then when lottery results determined (they pray to God they land Hughes) and

Ott : the later of their 2 picks Chicago or their own

Van : Quinn Hughes

But leave Bouchard and the Hughes boys in the juniors one more year and tank for Lafreniere, with 3 picks in 2020 better odds.

Best case scenario defence is then fixed with additions of Hughes and Bouchard to help Lajoie, chabot, and demelo. While offence looks like it can compete again with the farm coming up and joining with Lafreniere and Hughes. I know Dorian too stupid to pull this off but one can dream right? Lol

Stone added to the already dangerous Colorado top unit would be insane

Dzingle giving McDavid someone who can actually keep up with his speed would do wanders

And Duchene Toews 1 2 punch with Kane on the wing and a very possible return of panarin in offseason would likely put Chicago back where they belong in the top of the league discussion

In my oppinion that's a win for all teams involved

Ottawa down the road and long term and the other 3 in the hear and now with Edmonton long term with brown, short term with dzingle, and by the grace of God by losing Lucic contract.

03 Feb 2019 16:35:26
How do you add stone to Colorado’s top line? They already have 3 players on it. That’s why it’s a line. And it’s the best one out there. Colorado will not give them back their pick. Why would they?
And we won’t give you Bouchard or our 1st for that.
And why is panarin a very possible return to Chitown? All I’ve heard is he was really hurt the hawks traded him to begin with and is set on a New York team or Florida.
Vancouver just used a top 5 pick on Hughes and they’re trending upwards. Why would they gift him to the senators for the later of 2 picks?
Are all your posts like this? Or are you having an off day?

03 Feb 2019 16:48:02
OrangeBlood, his posts are always like thisz.

03 Feb 2019 16:48:58
Its going to cost you minimum Stone + Duchene to reacquire that 1st. Ain’t happening for just Stone.

03 Feb 2019 16:55:15
Hawks have no need for Duchene, if they go aftera bif fish it will be Panarin.

03 Feb 2019 18:16:21
Hahahaha wow this post is atrocious.

03 Feb 2019 18:38:00
Rambo, I knew you were delusional before, especially with all the times you’ve argued on here saying how you knew for certain this or that was going to happen, and they we’d all just have to wait and see, only for it not to happen like we all told you it wouldn’t.

But, you’ve seriously hit a new low if you think any of those trades work, ESPECIALLY the Vancouver one. The Canucks got so lucky when Hughes fell to seventh due to Montreal and Arizona taking centers, any other time and he’s a top 5 pick, and you want the Canucks to give him up for only ONE asset, and that asset being a first that’s likely not even in the top 10? Get out of here with that stupid rubbish, you’re serioirlsy delusional, get some help.

03 Feb 2019 20:18:18
All great trades. if your Ottawa. No way Chicago's able to afford panarin, and that's before you said get duchenne. didn't realize the cap was going up 15 million $ next year. And Chicago's 1sy 2nd and 3rd picks, that might be a top 3 overall pick depending on how the season finishes, just total non sense, other trades are completely ridiculous also.

03 Feb 2019 21:28:55
I just puked after reading this.

04 Feb 2019 11:07:09
Stone plus Duchene for our own first? Hahahahaha good one, stone is a 5 tool player and one of the best at that, fully signed his value alone is fairly close to a first overall at this point that still has a little under half a season to change its rank get real.

And the Chicago one has been mentioned throughout the year and by adding Duchene as well as making a pitch at panarin in offseason who wants to go back there anyway it makes that team stronger for it.

And orange blood, try reading the trade before making a dumb comment. Bouchard, at least for the next year, is Edmontons most valuable piece in this deal as the pick involved is next year's, not this year's meaning it likely won't be as good since chirelli no longer in charge. So.

Brown = Bouchard (Bouchard might be a tad more value)

Dzingle + Ceci = next years 1st

Smith contract vs Lucic contract (Edmonton should be on their hands and knees begging for someone to take Lucic)

04 Feb 2019 12:53:40
So your saying that top4 guarranteed is equivalent to Mark Stone? A top four player in the draft is at worse Brady Tkachuk level, and tbh, I’s rather have him than Stone due to age/ contract. With the chance of getting Hughes with that pick, its minimum Duch+Stone and I’m not kidding you.


Also Chicago won’t do that. They have enough cap hell witj seabrook and keith, they need youth not expensive prime players.

04 Feb 2019 15:59:30
Slappers what ever drugs you're taking I def want some, of course I like Brady bit I'll take stone over him any given day, unless you got a guaranteed Jack Hughes stone fully sign definitely has the value greater than anyone else in top 5 adding fully signed Duchene on top Colorado would have to add a conditional pick with the only condition being that the next time Colorado has a top 5 pick it goes to Ottawa too. you don't give up what sens did for Duchene and take back peanuts. Fully signed both guy are more than worth a top 5 pick by the trade deadline, you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise. Acquiring those picks don't guarantee they will stay top 5 either, especially Chicago one, adding Duchene to Chicago would be a huge addition that can easily fix their standing, Duchene Kane together would destroy other teams defence.

And someone asked how stone fits in Colorado? Easy 2nd line for now, or first power play unit with Barrie Landy rants and Mack, also be sick pk guy as he is one of the best defensive forwards in the game, he would make available that much more dangerous, plus when current top 3 run dry on their chemistry you can split em up, rants and Mack on one line stoner and Landy on another for a 1 2 punch.

04 Feb 2019 19:54:49
Same old Rambo 😂

“And with the 1st pick of the 2019 NHL Draft, the Colorado Avalanche select. ”.

05 Feb 2019 04:51:35
Unsportsmanlike, this is exactly what I have been talking about all along about how you and your groupies here disrespect sens players and undervalue them.

According to the garbage you all have been posting since last year I have the evidence now. Duchene with a year and a half on his contract got what he got for Colorado that being a player in Turris who is nearly equal skill level (I say Turris because everything acquired for Turris went to Colorado) as well as a solid prospect in Bowers a 3rd and a backup goalie in Hammond, and a 1st from a projected weak end team, yet some how you all thought that was fair with exception of me.

Now I propose 2 trades basically 1 for one each while also stating that both men will be fully signed in these deals, Chicago first for Duchene which is still less value that what was initially traded for him on a contract that was ending as opposed to a full contract meaning a Duchene that should arguably be worth more than he was then as despite a bad team season his individual numbers have been better than ever yet somehow according to y'all he ain't even worth 1 top 5 pick? Get real dude.

Then you got stone who in many people's oppinion is actually better than Duchene also younger on top of that and considered a 5 tool player by some of the harshest critics and fully signed should be worth even more than Duchene seeing as how he is literally just starting his prime of his career, yet somehow he's not worth a single pick that doesn't give you more than a 15% chance at the one guy in the draft who is arguably worth more based on age alone in Jack Hughes? Really?

Hughes is great yes but the kid is strictly offence (so was Yakupov, how did that work out) he's got speed, great skating, great shot, great passing, but without the puck he needs work stone is one of the best with and without the puck, with his skating holding him back a tad bit not enough to hurt him, no doubt fully signed he's worth that pick at least.

It's painfully obvious how biased you all are against Ottawa as you can't even back up why you have their value ratings so low unless they are on other teams, on top of that neither carries the baggage EK and Hoffman did at time of their deals!

05 Feb 2019 11:20:29
Yeah Rambo get the tin foil hat on! It’s all a big anti-Sens conspiracy on this site — that’s why Sens players never get traded for anything close to what you propose in reality (I’ll “back that up” with specific historical examples in Karlsson and Hoffman ) — it has nothing to do with your room temperature IQ!

05 Feb 2019 13:18:02
Please unsportsmanlike bias, explain to me how 1.5 years of Duchene was worth what he got or even the proposals you all listed like for example white Chabot and a weak teams 1st and then some yet a proposal involving a fully signed (5+ years) Duchene for a top 5 pick (now, as adding Duchene will likely get them back on winning track) is not a fair deal for Chicago?

Or a fully signed stone (5+ years) who logs 60+ points anually with sub par line mates while being one of the best defensive forwards in the game today at age 26, and is proving this year that with a quality line mate I'll be it Duchene or tkechuck both of which he's played with so far he's a point a game plus guy, is somehow not worth a top 5 pick that could change at any time but even still only gives a 15% chance at jack Hughes?

Pretty sure a guaranteed 5 tool player as stated by critics and a guaranteed former number 3 overall who lives up to the hype that comes with that high a pick both signed long term carry more value than at the very minimum everyone else in top 5 picks this year and even in stones case a 15% chance at Hughes.

05 Feb 2019 13:27:08
Also I literally just mentioned EK and Hoffman and that Duchene and stone don't carry the same sort of baggage this full value and fully signed not tough to see.

05 Feb 2019 14:21:27
I have not posted any trade Ottawa proposals. Ever. So spare me from your nonsensical ramblings.

Let me know when Ottawa trades Karlsson for Sergachev, Point, and 2 firsts.

Just more of your delusional, biased posts.

We have a track record on this site of you getting called out for being completely out to lunch with your valuations, only to be proven comically wrong when the trades occurs and the return is no where near what you suggested. And here you are, back at it again. You are either hopelessly deluded from reality, or the site's greatest troll. In either case, debating with you would be a waste of time. So now I sit back and enjoy the laughs when you post.

06 Feb 2019 18:27:28
I don't post biased garbage like you do.

Stone is a perennial 60+ point guy playing with average at best line mates up till this year and still has been and continues to be one of the best defensive forwards in the league on top of that. Now playing with someone close to the same skill level and consistency he's over a point a game. He's also only 26 years old just starting his prime years. Fully signed 5+ years he's easily worth more than any possible draft pick outside jack hughes. And seeing as a trade must be reached by deadline that means the sens pick is only currently a 15% chance to land Hughes and those odds still have 20+ games to change completely.

Do the math unsportsmanlike, a guaranteed fully signed close to or right on point a game top 6 forward at 26 years old vs a CHANCE at a 15% CHANCE at jack hughes! Not too hard to see that stone himself carries more value let alone the addition of a 2nd and a decent prospect in Paul on top of that.

Then there is Duchene deal which is a bigger risk for Ottawa as he's almost as good as stone, and only 2 years older at age 28. Sure the Chicago pick is currently 5th overall but swapping it for Duchene all but guarantees that Chicago not only improves their standing and makes the pick worst but makes Chicago better long term. Duchene like stone, is better than any possible pick outside Hughes and most definitely far more valuable than any pick ranging 6 - 15, which is most likely where that pick would end up being after a deal like this.

Fact is I can back up what I view their values to be, and I don't believe you can even give a compelling reason why their values should be any less other than you don't like Ottawa and undervalue their talent. I've been waiting a few years now to hear any kind of logical explanation as to the value of these players according to everyone else and why but yet all I get is a bunch of trolls who can't give anything but a "your crazy" or a "you'll never get that"

Wake up and give any real reasoning or stop trolling, plain and simple!

07 Feb 2019 14:49:10
Your flawed and delusional opinions do not back up anything.

History has backed up what we have said on this site and proven you wrong every time (Karlsson not getting traded for anything close to what you assured us he would -- Sergachev, Point and 2 1sts; Hoffman getting traded for a can of beans like we told you he would given the circumstances despite you stomping your feet and pounding the table telling us we were all wrong) .

I'll take empirical evidence over your "reasoning" every day of the week, thanks. Those "trolls" telling you "you're crazy" and "you'll never get that" have been right every time. You have been proven wrong every time. The end.

By the way, Hughes isn't the only player that will be getting drafted this year. Ottawa is hot garbage and their first round pick may not be 1st overall, but it's going to be right up there. Better get used to the notion of another team using your first rounder kiddo.

09 Feb 2019 18:16:38
Are you blind to facts too unsportsmanlike? History in this one is most definitely on my side.

I said Duchene and stone both fully signed are worth the returns and then some I have listed here, do your research.

Duchene with 1.5 years left got Colorado everything from the Kyle Turris trade, plus hamond, a 3rd, a 1st, and Bowers (a 1st in his own right) .

Sorry to be the one to burst your bubble but a fully signed Duchene 1 year later who has clearly upped his own personal game since the trade is definitely worth more than a year and a half Duchene who wanted out anyway, that much is common sense, and the return I posted here doesn't even match the return Colorado got even if the 1st they got was last of first round instead of first at this point.

Take into account that stone is a better and more valuable piece than Duchene his trade value fully signed also exceeds that of a fully signed Duchene especially considering the guy is only 26 years old.

And still instead of backing your claims with actual evidence all you can do is attempt to down play my claims, open you eyes and ears instead of your mouth for once and actually do some research.

09 Feb 2019 18:33:09
And just for good measure.

As reported by Dave pagnotta, the asking price for stone and Duchene has been revealed.

A 1st round pick, a top tier prospect, and another top tier asset

Actual asking price e for each of them, and that's as is unsigned and rightfully so! Fully sign they are worth a lot more each and this type of package as is can be deemed equal to a top 5 pick as is so really the trades I posted are also undervaluing their worth if you want to look at it that way.

09 Feb 2019 19:34:35
Cool story — let me know when Duchene gets traded to Chicago for a lottery pick and when Stone gets traded to Colorado for Ottawa’s first. I’ll wait.

If that happens (newsflash — it won’t) I’ll gladly eat crow.

When it doesn’t, I’ll still be here laughing at you. Keep postiing kiddo, the world needs more laughter.

12 Feb 2019 23:47:29
They are exactly fully signed yet you goof, the trades I posted clearly state both men as fully signed, maybe if you closed your mouth, opened your eyes, and learned to read you'd see that, not saying the Chicago one isn't a possiblity fully signed or not but don't go putting words in my mouth to cover your own backside.

29 Jan 2019 22:18:43
Deadline Deals:

SJS Acquire:
Marcus Johansson [4.5 Million x 1 Year]
Ben Lovejoy [2.7 Million x 1 Year]

NJD Acquire:
Melker Karlsson [2.0 Million x 2 Years]
Jacob Middleton [0.7 Million x 2 Years]
2020 2nd Round Draft Pick

[Karlsson and the 2nd get moved for Johansson, Middleton gets swapped for Lovejoy]

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DET Acquires:
Derick Brassard [3.0 Million x 1 Year]
Tristan Jarry [0.7 Million x 2 Years]
Zach Aston-Reese [0.9 Million x 1 Year]
2019 2nd Round Draft Pick

PIT Acquires:
Gustav Nyquist [4.75 Million x 1 Year]
Jacob De La Rose [0.9 Million x 2 Years]
2020 4th Round Draft Pick

[Nyquist goes for Brassard, Jarry and the 2nd, basically Pittsburgh upgrades mightily on a struggling Brassard - I've seen Pens fans willing to budge on this type of proposal for guys like Kevin Hayes, ZAR goes for JDLR and the 4th].

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DET Acquires:
Danton Heinen [0.9 Million x 1 Year]

BOS Acquires:
Derick Brassard [3.0 Million x 1 Year]

[Boston upgrades their 3C, they give away the guy with more potential for the guy who can likely make a difference asap]

[Basically, Nyquist, JDLR and 4th for Heinen, ZAR, Jarry and 2nd].

31 Jan 2019 19:19:12
I like this as a wings fan.

11 Jan 2019 08:30:06
to San Jose
Bobrovsky

to Columbus
2nd
3rd

then

to Columbus
Howard

to Detroit
San Jose's 2nd.

11 Jan 2019 11:45:33
Oh, so your saying Howard basically = Bob. No way man.

11 Jan 2019 15:12:52
this is really bad.

06 Jan 2019 16:52:44
Detroit:
Jimmy Howard 5.3m

Buffalo:
2019 1st round pick (San Jose)

06 Jan 2019 18:07:34
Hahaha oh no no.

06 Jan 2019 20:52:45
Buffalo's tandem has been great this year, no need to change.

04 Feb 2019 22:05:43
I think Jimmy is going to resign with the Wings!

08 Nov 2018 21:20:57
So there are reports of Sprong (Pittsburgh) being on the trade block, and with Schultz out long term (and Jack Johnsson rubbishing the bed so far) the Pens could want to acquire a defenceman.

To Penguins:
Braun
To SJ:
Sprong

1 for 1, a simple trade, obviously if this was more realistic "balance picks" would be involved.

25 Sep 2018 21:49:57
Toronto Trades
Marincin

San Jose Trades
Heed

Thoughts ?

25 Sep 2018 22:06:28
no from SJ. Heed was over point a game as a Dman in the AHL a season ago. He may never match that but Marincin isn’t near enough to justify giving up the chance it translates to the NHL.

25 Sep 2018 23:11:15
If Heed is really bad it is fair.

26 Sep 2018 00:20:38
Sureeeee.

27 Sep 2018 16:36:45
Hahaha good one leafs.

28 Sep 2018 02:10:22
I hate to admit this. But when Marincin and Klefbom were both young Oilers prospects. I actually have more hope for Marincin. But that's probably because he actually saw NHL action early and maybe that's why I noticed him over Klefbon. They took more time With Klefbom in the AHL.
I liked Marincin, but man did he after not pan out.

28 Sep 2018 07:20:12
I remember you and chirp saying you liked him and it was a good pick up for the leafs. I cringe when he’s on the ice but somehow I think Babcock likes him.

28 Sep 2018 15:43:04
No I had started to realize he wasn't as good as I was thinking before he was traded to the leafs. He had fallen and not gotten the chances as much anymore by then.
I still hoped a chance of scenery would be good and he could climb back or take advantage of a new chance.
But ya, I was wrong about him and Klefbom. Lol. Klefbom just Hung out down in the ahl for a while and all of a sudden got his chance, impressed, and never looked back. He was actually developed and panned out.

20 Sep 2018 14:36:26
3-way Deal
To SJ:
Brown, leafs 2021 2nd, Durzi
To Anaheim:
Braun, Carrick, leafs 2019 1st, Leivo, Rosen
To Leafs;
Sharks 2021 3rd, Montour

Anaheim gets better defensive depth (which they need), leafs get their defenceman, and Sharks get a top 9 forward a pick and a good prospect to help replace the depth and prospects they traded to Ottawa

20 Sep 2018 16:15:11
Anaheim gets worse defensively dude.

20 Sep 2018 17:04:18
I know Montour is supposed to be good, looks impressive, and if I were Ducks, I wouldn’t give him away without a big overpayment. But on the flip side, is he so proven and such a sure thing star that he’s worth leafs giving up Connor Brown, Connor Carrick, Sean Durzi, Josh Leivo, Calle Rosen a 1st and a 2nd? Lol I get he’s probably going to be far better than any of them. But leafs need to keep a stream of cheap youth coming up for cap reasons. That’s trading a lot of guys that could play a role for them for one guy. And before I hear how it’s biased and it’s quantity over quality, I agree, which is why I started by saying I doubt ducks do it either.

20 Sep 2018 17:17:47
The point of the ducks making this trade is to improve their depth at defence, I don’t think having Schene on your top 6 is the way to go, especially not when you could get a guy like Carrick with a low contract as well to play there
Also Braun isn’t bad, he can replace Montour on the top 4 and playing with Fowler or Lindholm, he should be very solid, so Anaheim definetly recieves quality there
Rosen can replace Peterson in a year or so
I think your overvaluing Montour here, he is a good defenceman but if you compare Gardiner to him, it’s very similar, just that one is a righty so it bumps him up a bit, as yourself, would you take that deal for Gardiner?

20 Sep 2018 20:00:04
Well there’s a maximum contract limit for each team also, so ducks losing one player and adding 4 also handcuffs them for future moves. All these things would have to be considered, it’s not just what the in and out is today but how it affects the team and the plan going forward. Durzi is a long shot player, undrafted last year then grabbed late 2nd round of this draft, so is he someone you would want to take if that roster spot being filled prevents you from adding someone of significance at the deadline this season?! That’s the problem with the quantity rather than quality proposals. got to think the ducks had at least 9 chances to draft him over 2 years. How much do they value that guy?!

20 Sep 2018 20:21:25
2 1sts, 2nd And Brown for Montour? That’s almost what Karlsson got.

20 Sep 2018 20:55:21
Problem is, this si super unrelaistic. Where have three team trades happened with this many moving parts, especially with the addition of two div rivals trading with each other.

For the Leafs, stick to one or the other, don't try this three team stuff because itll never happen unless its an extremely major deal.

Additionally, your logic is flawd for the Ducks. Montour > Braun, and Carrick and Rosen are just fillers. Theyd rather just keep Schenn and Pettersson and Sustr.

And should the Leads really trade all of those parts? Especially for another offensive dman?

 
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