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20 Jun 2018 02:56:20
senators acquire: boedker, bergman, 6th
san jose acquire: donaghey, 5th, 2nd, 4th, 5th
florida aqcuire: hoffman

who won the deal overall? thoughts? (i know it wasn't a 3 way deal, but that was the final result of the deal.

20 Jun 2018 03:17:06
Not Rambo.

20 Jun 2018 03:23:21
not sens -. -.

20 Jun 2018 03:25:25
SAN Jose. They are setting up to go afterTavares. Isles better get it done soon.

20 Jun 2018 03:53:37
Florida wins, San Jose 2nd, every other team that wasn't apart of the trade third, than Ottawa.

20 Jun 2018 04:42:13
I really am dying to hear what Rambo has to say. He was so sure we were all nut jobs and were way off on Hoffman’s value. Lol.

20 Jun 2018 04:56:58
Rambo commented on a rumour on the last page. Saying Duchene is worth more than the 3rd overall but is untouchable unless tavares is going to Ottawa lol because he would leave NYI to go to Ottawa, right? Haha so he’s still alive and online, just not responding to Hoffman items.

20 Jun 2018 07:32:11
i don't understand why people say unbelievable to confirmed trades.

20 Jun 2018 14:13:58
He's still around jim he's sneaking around very Rambo like. Soon when we least expect it he will strike and blow us all away lol.

20 Jun 2018 15:31:13
Lol yeah. I just like after he was guaranteeing hoffman was worth a top 10 pick+ (Way off! ) he is now telling us how much Duchene is worth like his evaluation is gospel. Hoffman got 20-30% of what he said he would, and we are supposed to think he’s right on anyone else’s value? Haha.

19 Jun 2018 15:51:46
Sharks trade Hoffman to Panthers for
2018 4th rn
2018 5th rn
2019 2nd rn

Panthers also get Sharks 2018 7th rn

19 Jun 2018 19:41:24

19 Jun 2018 20:04:29
Such a smart move by SJS. all that cap they freed up gives them a chance to actively go after JT or maybe IK.
Amazing how much Hoffman's value plummeted - that GF just cost him a lot of money on his next contract.

19 Jun 2018 20:55:17
Yeah, that’s way less than I even thought. Still don’t know how guys thought it wouldn’t affect his value at all tho lol.

19 Jun 2018 14:53:21
Sens trade Hoffman, prospect Donaghy, and a 5th to the Sharks for Boedker, prospect Bergman and a 6th.

Pretty underwhelming return.

Looks like the controversy impacted his value, not surprisingly to most.

19 Jun 2018 15:02:01
Amazing deal for sharks if he doesn’t bring any off ice issues along with him.

19 Jun 2018 15:35:12
Agreed McJ. And I would say kudos to Dorion. Boedeker is slightly overpaid but is at least a serviceable 3rd line winger (probably second line in Ottawa) and while I don't know much about Bergman he was a 2nd rounder and could still pan out. The draft picks are a wash and Donaghy will likely never crack an NHL roster so this is a better return than I had expected, given that the entire world knew Ottawa's hands were tied.

Is it the 10th overall from Edmonton as some had suggested? Certainly not, but that was ridculous to believe in the first place.

19 Jun 2018 15:42:00
We'll he's for sure going to bring off ice issues with him. but the sharks don't seem to mind that.

19 Jun 2018 15:42:49
Sharks just flipped him to panthers. 2nd 4th ans 5th.

19 Jun 2018 15:46:16
And sharks were rumoured to be all in for tavares, so they ditched boedker, and ended up with a 2nd, 4th and 5th, a forward roster spot and $4 mill cap space. Good move.

19 Jun 2018 16:15:41
Yes jim that's what they are saying. And it could be the case but for some reason I think they are going after kovalchuk.

19 Jun 2018 17:00:24
Yeah. Either way, getting 3 picks, a roster spot and cap flexibility right before draft weekend for doing some paperwork is a good plan.

19 Jun 2018 18:34:04
San Jose also in on Tavares.

19 Jun 2018 13:13:32
Sens - boedker, B- prospect, 6th rd

Sharks - Hoffman, D+ prospect, 5th rd

So Rambo, where’s the top 10 pick and top prospect? And where’s the Sens fans saying the Drama with his fiancé doesn’t affect his value?

Hard to believe they didn’t get offered more at the deadline when they apparently kept him because offers weren’t good enough.

19 Jun 2018 13:43:16
I tried telling them he lost all value and they didn't listen.

19 Jun 2018 13:44:29
Also yeah in sure at the deadline they had way better offers, just another terrible mistep by the Sens organization, they knew about this issue and waited for it to come out and Hoff to lose all value.

19 Jun 2018 14:35:08
There is 2 ways to look at the not enough at the trade deadline aspect IMO
1) They knew about the stuff happening behind the scene and miss managed the trade thinking it wouldn't come out to the public.
2) Didn't know about it (IDK if it's been conformed that the organization knew or not) and did the logical thing and not rush the trade on a player with term and wait for the best deal.

19 Jun 2018 14:37:30
Crazy good pick up for the Sharks. Along with Kane. And I heard they still aren't done. Good for them.
Hoffman = Boadker. Who knew! 🙈🙊.

19 Jun 2018 14:51:35
Not much of a return but problem players usually don't get much value. I will say this in Ottawa defence julius Bergman is player I really liked in his draft year. He has been inconsistent so far but he still has potential for sure. could be a decent pick up plays a solid all around game when he's on.

19 Jun 2018 14:53:00
That should close the mouth for a while. Unless, because Rambo watches the sport, this Julius Bergman prospect Ottawa got is the next Bobby Orr.

19 Jun 2018 14:57:35
Also at the deadline he may not have had much more value because if this scandal was known to be happening by Sens management I think they would have had to tell other gms about it then too. This was going on for awhile so just because most of us only found out recently it' probably was known by Sens management for close to a year now. Plus Hoffman always had issues even dating back to his junior days.

19 Jun 2018 14:57:45
C’mon habby, Rambo was supposed to say that. Boedker will probably be flipped for Draisaitl, Klefbom and a 1st so it could still work out.

19 Jun 2018 15:41:42
I suspect Rambo will be in hiding for some time after this latest blunder.

The human mind can only tolerate so much embarassment.

19 Jun 2018 15:43:28
Don't worry leafs17 I wouldn't claim he's going to turn into much but he did at least have the potential a few years ago.

19 Jun 2018 15:52:44
Sharks flipped hoffman for 3 picks, freed up a forward roster spot and $4 mill when all said and done. Precursor for a Tavares pitch?!

19 Jun 2018 19:46:15
Damn. I thought it might affect trade value a little bit. Not completely destroy it. veerrrrryyyy weak return. I don't understand why we couldn't wait for a better offer? Or even until FA when people like jvr and nash are signed and off the market. Even worse that they immediately flipped him for a better return. Ahh well guess i got to change my name now . :/.

19 Jun 2018 21:03:22
It had to affect his value a lot. You got to think that superstars are atleast consulted when trades are made. If Edmonton was in on hoffman (which they were at one point) and he’s going to be mcdavid a winger, they are asking mcdavid what he thinks. You think mcdavid wants to expose his gf and other players wives to the idiot that comes along with him? Not a chance. That’s oilers out, then same in another city and eventually the market is half the size, price is down. If it was Just her word vs Karlsson, then okay, but when all other wives (turris, Hammond etc) confirm it’s been going on for months to the point they didn’t wanna be there anymore, I’m fine believing it’s all true.

19 Jun 2018 21:06:01
Haha yeah Hoff it might be time for a name change.

But Kudos to you for coming online today. Rambo is probably in the fetal position crying under his bed, too proud to admit he was way off on valuation.

Hoffman clearly had to go. It's best that Ottawa cut ties without delay, even for a non-remarkable return.

19 Jun 2018 21:13:35
They should have got a much better return or at least have moved gaborik contract but Dorian has even less common sense than any of you on here. worst gm in sens history by a land slide. if he's not fired soon sens will be completely destroyed in 2 to 3 more seasons. he's easily the absolute worst gm in the league and I doubt many will argue that.

19 Jun 2018 22:47:37
Why is it everyone else with no common sense Rambo? It seems you were the one without a clue, even though you watch the sport.

21 Jun 2018 16:17:45
Leafs17 name 1 trade other than the 2nd brassard deal that Ottawa even got close to equal value in return since Dorian took over. the man is a cancer to the organization that needs desperately to be cut out.

21 Jun 2018 21:44:07
Im a sens fan and IDK what pierre dorion was thinking here. I know hoffman lost his value but come on, he is still a very good player and its his wife that caused this drama not him. i'm sure if PD waited a bit for this problem to resolve, he could've gotten a better deal, bcz this is absolutely garbage for the senators

15 Jun 2018 00:11:20
Unlikely Scenario, but considering EK most likely wants out of OTT. what if.

Erik Karlsson to the Los Angeles Kings in exchange for Drew Doughty.

Maybe picks and prospects added in; maybe Rieder, Ladue + 2nd goes to Ottawa while Dzingel + Harpur go to LA. or something like that? I'd assume EK has more value than Doughty tho.

This is simply because finding a suitable trading partner for EK is hard. And finding a suitable trade for EK is also hard; if Ottawa is getting 'pieces' back, and not a 'star', they're losing the trade, plain and simple.

As for this, its simply that EK wants out of Ottawa, and Ottawa needs a completely fresh look, and Doughty could help with that,

For LA, after a couple years of failure, I would have to think they need a shakeup: losing to the Sharks, expansion Knights and not making the playoffs does such. Trading away their best player for an equal talent shakes the dynamic of the team, and may help to make LA a more offensive team, compared to the defensive style they played w Doughty.

And both players have 1 year term left, so that balances too.

15 Jun 2018 06:38:04
I’m not sure If Doughty has any say in if he gets traded or not but there is 0% chance he will welcome a trade going to Ottawa. However if he doesn’t have any NMC well then sucks for him because i'm sure Kings take a good look if they can get EK.

15 Jun 2018 11:26:20
Even just doughty and a 2nd rounder for karlsson and a 4th rounder i could live with.

Mcjesus why wouldn't doughty want to come home to Canada? Pretty dumb comment.

15 Jun 2018 14:36:39
Because Ottawa is the worst Franchise in the nhl and belongs in the KHL.

15 Jun 2018 16:16:35
Why would Doughty not want to come to Ottawa? Are you that obtuse man?

The Senators are a raging dumpster fire at the moment. The owner is a cheapskate and consistently mettles in the operations to the detriment of the team. There are MULTIPLE scandals surrounding the team that are not going away anytime soon. The team is going to be hot garbgae next year and as it currently stands, will not have their own first round pick. They are the league's doormat.

Is Ottawa a nice place to live? Sure. Would any player looking for a chance to win in the near future want to play there? No. They are a joke.

15 Jun 2018 16:59:35
If MELNICK was as cheap Ryan wouldn't be making 7.25 right now and alfie and Heatley spezza wouldn't have gotten the contracts they did. that's just hear say. he's just a spoiled rich guy who acts like a fool and hired the wrong replacement for murray. Hoffman will likely be traded. Randy Lee if found guilty will be fired. drama gone.

They are far from worst team in league carolina has those rights atm.

15 Jun 2018 17:43:50
Lol um I’m not even going to answer why Doughty wouldn’t wanna play for Ottawa lol.

17 Jun 2018 15:14:05
He never said he wouodnt wanna come to Canada. He precised Ottawa. And i don't blame him I live in Ottawa and want out lol.

17 Jun 2018 22:53:07
When exactly did this happen colt66?

Because you don't have an answer mcbs.

27 May 2018 02:28:59
Carolina trades: Faulk, Williams

San Jose trades: Hertl, 2nd round pick

Then sign Jt

Kane Pavelski donskoi
Couture JT boedker
Meier Thornton Williams
Sorenson tierney labanc

Faulk Burns
Vlasic Braun
Dillon demelo


Could even put Kane Jt and pavelski as a line. Good trade?

26 May 2018 23:52:46
Buffalo Sabres Plan:

Jason Pominville (RW - 5.6 Million x 1 Year - 28.6% Salary Retention) to the Dallas Stars in exchange for 2018 3rd Round Draft Selection + 2019 5th Round Draft Selection.

2018 1st Round Draft Selection (SJS) + Johan Larsson (LW - 1.475 Million x 1 Year) + Eric Cornel (C - ELC) to the Los Angeles Kings in exchange for Tanner Pearson (3.75 Million x 3 Years) .

(Kings are probably looking to rebuild after a dismal end to 2017/ 18; Pearson looks to simply be a 40ish point guy, is expandable for a mid 1st and two young pieces) .

Zach Bogosian (D - 5.145 Million x 2 Years) to the Colorado Avalanche in exchange for Duncan Siemens (D - RFA) + 2019 3rd Round Draft Selection.

(Similar to Colin Wilson deal last year, Avs take on a meh player with a higher cap hit to upgrade their team) .

Sam Reinhart (RW) - 5.0 Million x 5 Years
Robin Lehner (G) - 4.0 Million x 3 Years
Nicolas Baptiste (RW) - 1.0 Million x 2 Years

Free Agency:
David Perron (LW) - 5.5 Million x 4 Years.
Matt Calvert (RW) - 2.5 Million x 2 Years
Petr Mrazek (G) - 2.0 Million x 2 Years [Assuming Philadelphia does not qualify]

Sam Reinhart (5.0 Million) - Jack Eichel (10.0 Million) - Tanner Pearson (3.75 Million)
David Perron (5.5 Million) - Ryan O’Rielly (7.5 Million) - Kyle Okposo (6.0 Million)
Evan Rodrigues (0.65 Million) - Casey Mittelstadt (ELC) - Alexander Nylander (ELC)
Matt Calvert (2.5 Million) - Zemgus Girgensons (1.5 Million) - Nicolas Baptiste (1.0 Million)

Rasmus Dahlin (ELC) - Rasmus Ristolainen (5.0 Million)
Jake McCabe (1.6 Million) - Nathan Beaulieu (2.4 Million)
Marco Scandella (4.0 Million) - Victor Antipin (1.0 Million)

Robin Lehner (4.0 Million)
Petr Mrazek (2.0 Million)

- Basically, strip this team of its waste pieces and form a new, faster team identity. Give Eichel a wingman like Pearson too.

27 May 2018 00:23:19
Some makes sense. Decent value on a lot of it, but 3 more years of robin lehner as the go to guy at $4mill? Teams in the league have goalies they would throw away better than him. They won’t be better till he’s upgraded.

27 May 2018 01:01:52
You don’t put a 18 year old dman on the top pair.

27 May 2018 03:45:05

True. problem is, he's an RFA, and they needa resign him, and qualifying would be for 4 million. Maybe not three years, but for sure they'll qualify. And I feel he could actually play decent with a better core in front of him.

26 May 2018 07:49:10
SJS: 2019 1st round pick, Martin

Van: Edler.

26 May 2018 08:26:05
Sharks don't have a 1st next year since they resigned Kane.

25 May 2018 14:28:34
Toronto 2nd and 3rd 2018(both from Sjs) for Montreal Petry.

Adds stability to toronto and help the rebuild for montreal....

Is it fair value wise?

25 May 2018 15:48:58
Better than a first and top prospect like offered before lol still don’t like the 3 years but the price is right for me. But if that’s the price, I’m sure habs could find another team or two in need of an upgrade and get a bit more.

26 May 2018 15:59:18
Petry comes off a 42 pts season. It's going to take a 1st at the very least.

06 May 2018 02:47:09
***If San Jose needs to shed salary for Tavares, Thornton, and E. Kane (should Tavares opt to go to San Jose vice Philadelphia or anywhere else)

San Jose: Morin (1/11 in 2013, NHL ready defenceman being blocked on the Flyers' blue line)
Philadelphia: Paul Martin ($4.85MM until 2019), Josh Norris (1/19 in 2017)

San Jose clears critical salary to sign Tavares and go for a Cup in 2019 with Couture and Pavelski signed for one more year. Norris will likely not make the Sharks next year whereas Morin would help next year as a bottom pair defender with upside.

This proposal is conditional on Tavares wanting to sign in San Jose.

18 Mar 2018 20:12:55
If Evander Kane doesn't resign with San Jose this year:

Max Pacioretty + Jordie Benn + Logan Shaw (rights) to the San Jose Sharks in exchange for Jeremy Roy + Marcus Sorensen + Paul Martin + 2019 1st Round Pick.

- The 2019 1st is conditional to Buffalo if Evander Kane resigns. so if he doesn't, San Jose can just deal it away. They dump Martin at the cost of Sorensen, and get Patches for Roy and an unconditional 1st.

19 Mar 2018 02:11:25
the only good piece we are getting is a first literally.

19 Mar 2018 03:50:12
There's really not even enough coming back to justify taking martin tbh. sorenson? Lol good one.

19 Mar 2018 10:24:46
Thing is, Martin is only on the books for one year, and his 4.5 is equivalent to Patches. Martins contract isn't all that bad when factoring in term. Plus, look at what some teams got back for their cap dumps:

Marc Savard was included with a 2nd Rounder for two AHLers.
Brooks Laich went with Connor Carrick in the Daniel Winnik trade.
Bryan Bickell and Teuvo went for a 2nd and a 3rd.

Paul Martin is at least somewhat servicable and could be something on a pretty terrible Habs blueline. Plus, if this deal happened at the deadline, there really is no issue with Martin, he'd simply be a cap figure.

19 Mar 2018 15:36:36
So are you saying pacioretty is a cap dump? are you trying to imply martin is equal to pacioretty? I'm just trying to figure out if you honestly think this is a good deal or if your trying to get a rise out of habs fans.

19 Mar 2018 16:56:55
No, he’s saying that sharks shouldn’t have to include massive assets to move martins contract because his deal isn’t that bad. Then he gives other examples of players with as bad or worse contracts that didn’t cost the team a lot to dispose of. Not saying it’s a good trade but stop looking for reasons to be offended lol.

19 Mar 2018 17:37:07
At no point does he say Martin is as good as pacioretty lol he says a 4.5 mill cap hit and a 4.5 mill cap hit switching places, both with a year left, makes it easy book keeping. That’s all.

19 Mar 2018 18:01:28
Massive assets? Sure an extra 1st round pick is always nice to have but I don't see much else in that offer. plus the pick is for next year and I'd be thinking the habs would want help a little quicker then that. Would you want martin on the leafs jim.? I mean if he wants to trade Paul martin and a 1st for jordie benn that would at least be worth doing from a habs perspective. if you want to unload martin it's going to take more then some scraps especially if you want back one of the top goal scorers in the league.

19 Mar 2018 18:07:17
Let's trade juulsen for Matthews close to the same cap hit makes for easy book keeping lol you do realize how stupid you sound jim defending this.

19 Mar 2018 18:10:37
Like martin is playing in the minors you both know that right? San Jose signed him and they don't want him anymore why do you think any team would trade anything for him? I mean Paul martin to toronto for matt martin would make more sense.

19 Mar 2018 18:15:10
It’s not a good trade for the habs. I agree. Patches is worth more. But when he said Martin and pacioretty made close to the same, he’s not implying a one for one swap is fair. He thinks the other assets included make it fair. I don’t think that, and clearly you don’t either. But he never compared martin to patches as equal players lol relax.

19 Mar 2018 18:19:31
Tavares to habs for Alzner, poehling, 1st and another prospect. Now Alzner and Tavares both make 5.5 mill or close to. So the money cancels out. Not saying it’s a good trade and that’s not saying Alzner is as good as Tavares lol it’s not difficult to see what he was talking about.

19 Mar 2018 18:22:20
Yes and the reason I asked if he was serious or not was so I could determine whether or not it was worth the trouble to try and explain how bad the trade was for montreal. It was certainly not cause I was offended by someone on here.

19 Mar 2018 18:29:26
We'll jim tavares is a ufa so that would be a stupid deal for montreal too unless he was signed. I hope you don't think montreal would unload pheoling and there 1st just to get rid of alzner.

19 Mar 2018 18:35:47
I’m not going to drag this on like last time and make everyone else suffer through it. I agree it’s not a good trade. You still want to argue with me even though I agree it’s not good. So I concede Habby. Good win.

19 Mar 2018 18:37:04
And alzner has a cap hit of 4.6mil not 5.5.

19 Mar 2018 19:19:14
Thanks jim I usually win.

19 Mar 2018 19:53:22
Naw lol, i just said cap hit was the same. And I though Jeremy Roy was pretty solid, 31st overall pick in 2015, progressing well.

And another thing is, that 1st is unprotected, and the Sharks are not a 100% playoff team. That could easily be middle of the pack, and could easily even finish in the lottery, depending if teams in the pacific (Edmonton, Calgary, Zona) pick it up as they were supposed to.

Plus, Roy and a 1st for a pretty one dimensional winger (no offence to Patches) is not that bad in my opinion. You're making Martin seem way worse than he is: for a team like Montreal that's going to be a bottom feeder, they can afford to swallow the cap for a year while getting another asset. And honestly, 1 year of Patches for a 1st and Roy is pretty similar to Kessel for Kapanen and a 1st. even tho the Leafs lost that deal. Kessel, with retained salary and term would be more valuable than Patches regardless, so i don't think this is that bad for Montreal. Maybe add in a 3rd or 2nd? Idk. But you're not getting Timo Meier or even Tomas Hertl + 1st for Patches. Just my opinion tho.

19 Mar 2018 20:02:32
Maaaybe Leblanc could be included? But I agree TSS it’s not a bad trade. Arguing with habby is like arguing with a wall. Pretty obvious the points you and unbiased were trying to make.

19 Mar 2018 20:24:49
@topshelf, leafs got kappy, 1st, 3rd, Harrington and spaling for kessel while sending a cpl plugs back (Tyler Biggs etc) . They flipped spaling for a second and then sent the 1st and 2nd to ducks for Freddy Andersen. I thought it wasn’t the best deal when they made the kessel trade originally, but how they managed the assets afterwards make it a win for me. We have Andersen, kapanen, and cap space because of it. Plus we probably don’t get Matthews if kessel and his 35 goals are still on the team. And penguins should feel they clearly won it as well.

19 Mar 2018 20:44:51
@Ebs, one word answers for Habby from now on ‘concede’ lol. I typed a paragraph agreeing and he fought back haha ‘concede’.

19 Mar 2018 22:25:54
What was kessels cap hit when he was traded? What was the team cap at that time? A lot of difference hey? Kessel didn't get much in trade because of his cap hit not because he wasn't good. Now where you guys are wrong again is when you say pacioretty is one dimensional. He hits he scores and he kills penalties. Kessel only scored so yes kessel is one dimensional so I think you guys know what it means but I think you should take a glance at some stats and then decide whether pacioretty is or not. Cause there are a lot of guys on your current beloved leafs that are more one dimensional then pacioretty. On top of that if your actual trade was pacioretty for roy and a 1st I would not have liked it because IMO roy has really not developed like I thought he would but I would not have bothered to say anything cause yeah that would have been a close proposal. But if you think the habs have to take on martin just to get something in return for pacioretty your not only biased but your also a word you all seem to throw around a lot here. Delusional.

19 Mar 2018 22:44:09

19 Mar 2018 22:54:27
Okay, but Habby, what do you think Patches could recieve? Patches is one dimensional, just admit it. There isn't much more to him: never will you ever hear of hi, in the category of Bergeron, Toews, or to a lesser extent, guys like Barkov, Matthews and Courturier. He simply isn't a defensive force, and is very relatable to Kessel. Kessel was at 8, and was retained to 6.8, which is more than fair over the next 6 years. In fact, its probably a bargain. Patches is a bargain at 4.5, but you got to remember, its a 1 year deal left. there's a risk that hell leave. And really, Paul Martin isn't that bad for Montreal. If you retain half his salary as Montreal, you could get something for him, and a team like Montreal could afford it tbh.


True with what you said about the Kessel trade. But when it happened, I, and probably you too thought it was a bit underwhelming, especially consideeing we sent a 2nd Round Pick (Pittsburghs nonetheless) back to Pittsburgh. That 2nd cancels the 2nd for Spaling, and the cap retention kinda cancels Harrington, uk? that's why I kinda feel Roy + 1st is pretty fair for Patches. Spaling was thoight of as a cap dump when the trade happened, and yet he got a 2nd. Its possibly with retention, Martin coukd do the same here.

Idk tho. I just feel that since its SJ and not a guarranteed playoff team, that 1st would be an excellent piece.

And @Ebs Ty and lol.

19 Mar 2018 22:59:54
And also, right now on the Leafs, the only guys I think of that are as 1 dimensional as Patches are Willy and JVR, and to an extent Bozie. And this isn't hate on Patches, its every game I watch with Leafs vs, Habs, he's always 'coasting', as Kessel used to do in Toronto. Some of the players on the Leafs may be on the same level as he is when it comes to defence, but at least they try harder than he does in the dzone. let's run through the forwards:

Hyman: better twoway
Matthews: better twoway
Nylander: even imo
JVR: worse twoway
Bozak: worse twoway
Brown: better twoway and plays with much more energy
Marleau: better twoway, at worst, is even with Patches.
Kadri: better twoway
Marner: his twoway is pretty even with Patches, but he plays with much better pace.
Komarov: better two-way
Kapanen: better twoway: again, great energy player
Plekanec: you know this one, better twoway

Even Johnsson and Leivo and Moore are just as good if not better.

Martins worse but lol who isn't he worse than?

19 Mar 2018 23:49:33
@TSS I’ve tried to explain that to him, it’s a waste of time. I have nothing against patches, and his cap hit is a steal. And there’s nothing wrong with having a one dimensional player on your team. Kings won the cup with gaborik playing a huge role, pens won with kessel back to back. The problem is when a guy like that is your best player, like patches in Montreal and like kessel was in Toronto. Not the making of a championship team. If pens are built around kessel and not Malkin and Sid, they’re a nothing team. And as good as gaborik was for the kings a few years back, without kopitar and carter ahead of him, they’re not winning that cup.

20 Mar 2018 00:26:31
And how you mentioned Bergeron, if leafs meet bruins in first round, Matthews is going to have a first hand look at what he needs to become. Bergerons line is the one that’s going to kill you on the score sheet and kill your best players chances too. As good as the leafs have been, they still need Matthews and Kadri to do what Bergeron does. A little more time and hopefully Matthews can put it all together. Facing berg in a 7 game series could be great for his development though.

20 Mar 2018 01:30:07
So essentially every player on the leafs are better then pacioretty. Isn't this what I've been saying you thought all along lol.

20 Mar 2018 01:32:05
Habby, You make yourself look like a complete idiot a lot of the time.

20 Mar 2018 01:32:56
I think patches could get a prospect and a mid range 1st rounder. Without having to take back a useless contract in the deal. If they can't get this then they should just keep him and either trade him at the deadline next year or re sign him.

20 Mar 2018 01:44:01
I wanted mtl to draft Roy in the first rd in 2015. He is a great mobild speedy but also good reliable defensively. Only problem is he dosnt stay heathy. Only 10 games last year and out for the rest of the season. That can slow an already usaly slow defensmen progression in the nhl. Wich means instead of being ready for a full time nhl role at 23 like he should of been he might only be they're at 25, 26 wich means the guy can't be worth a tone. How can you expect a guy who barely plays because of injurys in the juniors to develop in a more rough nhl. Therefore mtl should not touch him. Damage goods. How bout this instead


San Jose:Hertl, Conditional first

If Patches get 25+ goals the pick will stay a first. Otherwise no pick.

20 Mar 2018 01:48:22
*better two-way. Not better player. Nevr said dat.

And also, if i wrre the habs, i'd rather deal Patches now then wait for the deadline. Price will drop by then tbh.

20 Mar 2018 01:48:23
You would know yup. What are all the big talkers getting sookie? I guess it's cause someone is actually going back at them for a change. Instead of just hearing the same 3 or 4 guys on here criticize and call people names all day long. Put on your big boy pants guys remember your all keyboard warriors don't get sookie because of little ole me. Keep calling people out and telling them they are stupid and delusional for posting trade proposals.

20 Mar 2018 03:02:50
Ok TSS jacob de la rose is a better 2way player then william nylander. See how stupid that sounds?

20 Mar 2018 10:32:49
Yeah, but @habby you're the one who made the argumenr in the first place.

I do agree that JDLR is a better two way player than Nylander.

Your original argument was 'there are a lot of guys on your Leafs that are more one dimensional than Patches'. I retorted and named every Leaf forward, and proved that your argument is only true for three Leafs, which is true. You then accused me of saying 'every leaf player is better than Patches', which is comptely false. When I made that known, you said that the argument is 'stupid'.

Theres no winning there man, its plainly written out. I even agree that JDLR is a better two way guy than Willy. However, as Jim pointed out, if your team is focused around one, one dimensional player, like the Leafs were with Kessel, like the Habs are with Patches now, they won't go anywehere. Its just true.

And on a different note, I'm just wondering, why are you so opposed to taking on Paul Martins comtract? I''m legitimately just curious. Is it becUse it may hurt your teams chance at players in free agency? Do you think that you could acquire more if you take on Martin, and if so what? Because honestky, teams trade cap dumps a lot for minimal additions. We think that guys like Dave Bolland were going to get the sun and the moon and would be untradable: turns out the piece that he was traded with (Crouse) may not be as good as the 2nd he was traded for. And that's Bolland! ONE of the most untradable contracts ever! Martin can still play, and honestly, if Montreal retained 50% salary on him, could be traded out for even more assets.

Montreal needs to be doing this stuff. Turning 'cap dumps' into assets. For Toronto, we never thought ee could trade Nick Spaling, he wasnt doing anything. What happened? We got a 2nd for him. Eric Fehr? The guy who was waived and playing on a different minor league team? Gota 7th for him. Martin at 2.5 million would be able to go to a team that is desperate: and teams dp get desperate at the deadlije and make stupid moves.

20 Mar 2018 12:07:47
See that's the thing. You're not listening. You're not delusional for posting proposals. You're delusional for your arguments. And you're being called out now by a lot of people. It's been a sad two weeks or so from ya man.

20 Mar 2018 12:42:33
The thing that makes me laugh is that his hatred for me all started because we were asked ‘why people value Simmonds more than pacioretty’

My honest answer was that pacioretty is a great offensive threat on a great contract but doesn’t do much else. He’s more one dimensional than Simmonds. When he’s not scoring, there’s not much else there. As where Simmonds can affect a game in lots of different ways and will be 10 pts or so less, but the other things he does, like crash nets, get under opponents skin, can fight to change a games momentum, be harder to play against when the games get tough make him my choice.

He will repeatedly throw that in my face and say it’s outrageous and just me being a hab hater and yet what he will never bring up is that in the same week we were asked ‘marner or tkachuk’ and I said both are great at what they do but I would lean towards tkachuk and I quoted almost the same 4-5 points why. So picking a flyer over a hab is delusional and just hating and being biased, And using the same reasoning for picking a flame over a leaf is what?!?! Lol.

20 Mar 2018 12:58:10
Holy s?! t’! Ok, patches and drouin for Crosby and malkin? Not even close unless I guess you’re a Habs fan, admit it’s a rebuild time and when teams do that, they sell off their best players for picks and prospects, sometimes need a player back to make the books work, not like Montreal is going to make the playoffs anytime soon. They just signed price to a ridiculous contract and stuck with him unless can find some sucker to take him before July 1st. Habs fans I just guess don’t understand what a rebuild is. we want a equal value player for patches! , no, you get picks and prospects.

20 Mar 2018 14:47:21
Try not to judge all habs fans by this. leave me out of it. probably Sosa too, lol.

20 Mar 2018 15:22:32
@Thunder. I’m well aware that you and Sosa are not in the same group, even universe lol it’s just got to a point where he’s not even a habs fan anymore, he’s an everyone else hater lol just miserable looking for fights. When you put up a fight with someone for disagreeing with you, fine, but if i write a paragraph agreeing with him, he still picks one word from it to drag the fight longer lol.

20 Mar 2018 15:28:24
Also Thunder, from another habs fan opinion, is pacioretty a great 2 way player? I don’t watch every minute of every habs game like I do of the leafs, but have seen him play a lot over the years and don’t see it at all. Am I out to lunch saying if patches is your best player, you’re not a cup caliber team? Or do you see him as a guy you can build around, like in a playoff game you want him on the ice with 2 min left whether you’re up a goal OR down a goal?

20 Mar 2018 19:18:40
Great 2 way player - No. I like him, great scoring touch and what kills me is he has the size to be a better 2 way player. He gets a lot of criticism for it as well - he would lay out a great hit if he did it more often. But he is offensively minded.
Is he our best player. have to say that right now he isn't because he is having a down year. But if you go back to a season ago - ya, he was our best forward. but if you have price playing at his peak; that guy is damn good.

Would i build a team around him - no. I understand that his own team voted him in for the 'C' but he wasn't up against much at that time. Personally, building around a winger really hasn't proved to work in the league we are in right now. That being said, i would rather keep him on my team and get a real 1C and see what he can actually do.

Trade value - pretty much see him getting a 1st round mid-pick and a decent prospect. Or possibly an A prospect with a 2nd and have a condition if he resigns it becomes a first. That might be too much, but being a habs fan i think i'm always going to overvalue my guys - just hope it isn't drastically delusional.
I typically don't respond to too much on here, although i check the site a few times a day and read pretty much everything. So who knows. maybe I just haven't had the chance to be told I'm insane yet, lol.

21 Mar 2018 00:46:20
Your sane Turkey. plus ya have the best name on here
and I agree with what you said bout Patches.

21 Mar 2018 04:07:29
That’s exactly how I see him. It’s like JVR too. He’s 6’3 ans well over 200 pounds. Should be more physical, but the way he plays works for him. However I have no problem admitting that JVR is a one dimensional support piece, not a centrepiece of a great team. If JVR was leafs best forward (like he was 2 years ago after kessel was traded) you’re not a good team, and leafs finished 30th and got Matthews that year lol now when pacioretty is supposed to be the best forward in Montreal and they don’t get out of this world goaltending from price for once, they’re a lottery team. Not a coincidence. Habby just can’t see that.

09 Mar 2018 22:36:59
Pitt wants to trade Geno will he has a lot of value. San Jose are known interested

Pitt: Malkin

An Jose: Couture, Meieir

09 Mar 2018 23:08:49
Where do you get your accurate inside information?

11 Mar 2018 14:10:34
Logan himself has reported that San Jose is moving him to Pittsburg during the offseason.

11 Mar 2018 20:03:05
Wtf are you talking about? Logan came out and said that he’s getting traded to Pittsburgh? That’s not how business works.

12 Mar 2018 14:02:02
Lol Logan said it hahaha he must be the best player to draft in fantasy now, he’s a C/ W/ insider reporter lol this guys floats further from reality by the minute. Someone put a leash on him and bring him back down to earth.

03 Mar 2018 11:02:38
Niklas Hjalmarsson

1st 2018
Josh Leivo
Connor Carrick

TOR gets a proven defensive defenseman to play with Rielly. His contract is up after next season when Dermott and/or Liljegren are ready for a Top 4 role.

Yotes get a late first (if it's too much, then SJS's 2nd) and two young guys who could benefit from getting more ice-time and change of scenery.

28 Feb 2018 19:54:27

San Jose:Hertl,Mueller

28 Feb 2018 22:28:20
Gallagher is a decent player and a heart and soul guy. Fan favourite. But he just doesn’t have that kind of value to get two young offensive NHL roster players with size. He will probably be in Montreal until a team takes him in the final year or 2 of his deal for a pick and a decent prospect because he’s be a great addition to a playoff bound team. But moving him out is not going to allow you to remake a roster. Just not good enough.

28 Feb 2018 23:50:12
San Jose says no.

01 Mar 2018 05:54:30
Isn't mueller with New Jersey now?

01 Mar 2018 05:58:11
Idk Hertl isn't that spectacular of a player, he's been a 35-45 point guy these last 4 years. Hasn't looked the same since his rookie year in 2014.

01 Mar 2018 16:25:10
Yeah kings lover I think a couple hab haters jumped the gun on this one. Habs wouldn't do this even if mueller was still with the sharks.

01 Mar 2018 18:43:15
Him Mueller isn't an offensive player. And Hertl only counts for 1 player as far as I know.

01 Mar 2018 22:28:20
I read it as Meier, not mueller. Regardless, easy no from San jose.

02 Mar 2018 03:21:11
So jim hertl for gallahger is a easy no from San Jose? But let me guess the leafs could get him for Leivo or brown right. But they wouldn't want him because his contract is to high or he shoots the wrong way or his feet are too big or something along those lines.

02 Mar 2018 04:55:05
Habby, No, leafs couldn’t get hertl for that. And leafs don’t need wingers. And I don’t know when I’ve low balled an offer or over valued a leafs player.

My last posted proposal was hyman/ Brown (roster winger) liljegren (top prospect) and a 1st for McDonough which if you eliminate the second rounder and the lesser of the prospect (hajek) for jt Miller, that leaves Namestnikov (roster winger) Brett Howden (prospect) and a first for McDonough.

Say Namestnikov is better than brown/ hyman, liljegren a little higher value than Howden so call it close or even and leafs 1st will be a better pick than Tampa’s 1st rounder to help even it out. I’d say I was pretty close with my value.

Closer to the actual thing than you have ever been, so quit taking out your long summer blues on me. If you think Gallagher can get those two players, you keep believing it, and when he’s actually traded we can see how close you were.

02 Mar 2018 20:34:40
Namestikinov is way better then brown or hyman or both combined for that matter.

02 Mar 2018 22:45:15
Meier AND hertl for gallagher? Hahaha
Hard NO from san jose!

02 Mar 2018 23:04:13
He’s better than them as an individual, sure. WAY better than both combined? Sure thing lol it took till his 4th year in the NHL to get his first 20 goal season, brown did it as a rookie. Namestnikov has had a great year, how much is playing on one of the best lines in hockey with stammer and kucherov and how much is him breaking out? Time will tell, but sure Habby, he’s far better than both. I’ll agree with you to make your night complete. My point was my offer for McDonough was in the ball park of actual trade.

03 Mar 2018 01:23:31
But jim playing with good line mates don't matter look at phil kessel. See what I did there? Do you remember that argument when you were comparing simmonds and pacioretty? does that only work for leaf players? most people don't know who hyman is but if he wasn't playing with matthews nobody would.

03 Mar 2018 02:29:45
I said he may be breaking out. Time will tell. I said we don’t know yet if it’s his linemates or him. Same thing I said when I made that argument. I said putting patches with stars doesn’t GUARANTEE he fills the net more. But may. Remember that?!

03 Mar 2018 02:31:27
@facelift, it’s hertl and mueller (who isn’t in San Jose anymore) . I read it as Meier the first time too. Brain cramp I guess.

20 Feb 2018 18:35:52
Carolina Trades
Kruger (AHL)
Jooris (AHL)
6th Round Pick 2018

Toronto Trades
2nd Round Pick 2018 (Sharks Pick)

I added more from my previous post, Leivo for Jooris and the Sharks 2nd Round Pick which will be better then the Leafs 2nd Round Pick.

Thoughts ?

20 Feb 2018 18:40:05
Stop adding to the original post. The original post was bad. Stop.

20 Feb 2018 20:23:33
JVR would go for a 1st Round Pick, Roster Player and a Top Prospect so tell me how its bad?
Carolina ownership wants to make a splash its well documented JVRs brother plays in Carolina and its said Carolina is pushing too get JVR, Lamoriello says JVR will not be Traded, what I have posted is something Uncle Lou would probably bite at, again people this is a fun site not ment to be anything but so really chill people.
Including all the Leaf haters as most undervalue Leaf Players been going on for yrs on here.

20 Feb 2018 20:54:53
What? Are u well. That is terrible Wt****.

20 Feb 2018 20:55:43
Im a Leaf fan. JVR doesn't go for that much, are you insane? Sure that's what the Leafs want for him - they won't get it tho. You think the Rangers are going to get a 1st and a top prospect for Nash? F NO. JVr would get a 1st and a guy like Drew Stafford back, not more. Plus, JVR wo an extension is not at all worth Faulk. Carrick is meh, he won't even crack Carolinas top 6, Leivos a good piece but his max value is like a 3rd, martin is a cap dump no way around it and a second is a second.

So a UFA forward (rental), a 6-7 dman, a cap dump, a 2nd and a guy wortha 3rd is worth a top 2 dman ++? No.

20 Feb 2018 21:24:49
I agree with topshelfslapper.
JVR will not fetch that package

Faulk for jvr with a extension.

20 Feb 2018 21:24:58
Topshelf said all that’s needed. No value their for hurricanes.

20 Feb 2018 23:29:36
Yup sure JVR and even the 2nd Round Pick have no value but for sure Kruger, Jooris who are both in the Minors as well as that steal of the Draft the 6th Round Pick have huge value.
CCarrick the best Corsi of all there Defencemen has no value as well, and Leivo of course Carolina has no use for him in the future.
MMartin who the Islanders would love back has zero value as well almost forgot him.
I guess I am the blind one on here eh?

21 Feb 2018 01:39:56
Yes you are blind lmao.

'Best corsi dman'? he plays sheltered minutes, and he doesn't pass the eye test much better than most 6-7 dmen. he's behind Hanifin, Pesce, Slavvin, Bean, McKewon, Fleury and TVR.

And I said Leivo has the value of a 3rd. i never said he was worth nothing, lol. But he's played minimal games, and considering Sosh only got a 4th (w 57 games played), I can't see Leivo getting more than a 3rd.

And yes, matt martin has no value. 2.5 million for a slow grinder who causes penalties? No thanks for most teams. The isles want him for sentimental purposes i guess, and cause their GM is Garth Snow. Lol.

JVR is not what Carolina needs. First off, if they're trading a dman its for a centre with term. Not a winger. Get it through your head. They already have a streaky scoring winger in Skinner. They don't need a defensively liable RENTAL in JVR. and by god, JVR does not get you Faulk! Faulk has term, is a dman and is a two way dmen. JVR is a good player, no doubt, but he has one year left, is going to command a hefty contract and is going to get a lot of term, and that contract will bite whatever team signs him in the a**, if its longer than 5 years. And look at Faulks deal. 4 million. Dmen like him don't grow on trees. If Carolina is trading Faulk, its for a good centre.

Okay, so let's just say Kruger and Jooris and Martin and Carrick cancel out. Cause Kruger and Martin are bith cap dumps, but Krugers contract is better than Martins, so Carrick>Jooris but that cancels. McGinn and Leivo cancel (both depth guys) . So basically, JVR and a 2nd for Faulk and a 6th. NO FROM CAROLINA.

Dont act smart pinny. you're wrong j admit it.

21 Feb 2018 01:41:17
Oh yeah, and McGinn >> Leivo. Just looked up the stats, lol,

21 Feb 2018 17:13:54
I hit ‘agree’ for pinball, but only to agree with hi. Calling himself blind lol.

16 Feb 2018 13:35:35
Arizona Trades
6th Round Pick 2018

Toronto Trades
Borgman (AHL)
1st Round Pick 2018
2nd Round Pick 2018 (Sharks Pick)

Thoughts ?

16 Feb 2018 23:48:51

17 Feb 2018 02:16:19
Hard pass by the leafs.

17 Feb 2018 04:11:29
At least it’s a little different than the usual.

17 Feb 2018 05:48:28
Really not that bad.

15 Feb 2018 17:54:01
LA fires the first shot in the California trade war..

Ducks Pacoretti

Habs Nick Ritchie, Sam Steele, 2018 2nd

Sharks Nash

NYR Hertl, 2018 1st, 2018 4th.

And to keep pace in the arms race....

Dallas Hoffman

Ottawa 2018 1st, Faksa, Vala

Florida 2018 3rd 2019 4th

Calgary Vrbada

15 Feb 2018 19:32:50
Seems like a lot for Nash.

15 Feb 2018 19:55:20
Lol nash ainy getting that return.

15 Feb 2018 20:29:03
Yes it is, but I think there will be a bidding war for his services pushing up the usual price tag for a UFA rental.

15 Feb 2018 20:37:22
No shot Steele is involved in the deal for ANA. He is their future down the middle.

15 Feb 2018 22:43:54
Wouldn’t hold my breath for that kinda return if I was a Habs fan. I personally think they’d be lucky to get steel straight up for Pacioretty IF ducks even had interest in him. Not s chance ducks give both steel and Richie AND a second. not a chance. GM would be unemployed if he made that trade.

15 Feb 2018 23:11:14
Seems like big overpayments for all the guys. I don't think Flames need Vrbata.

09 Feb 2018 18:32:34
To cgy: donskoi
To sj: troy brouwer, hunter shinkaruk

09 Feb 2018 18:43:04
who wants troy brouwer and that bad contract.

09 Feb 2018 18:44:38
You probably have better luck trying to give some one a STD than him and that contract. 3 goals 12 assist.

09 Feb 2018 19:06:54
Not to mention Donskoi is actually a good player.

09 Feb 2018 20:05:31
Donskoi is actually good haha why would San Jose want to do that.

08 Feb 2018 04:27:55

Sj:Norris, Hertl

Mtl gets 2 young center one prospect and the other one Hertl is proven enough to be worth it.Nothing special but he could become a decent second line center. Norris is a very good prospect as well and San Jose get a scorer that will put them over the top for the playoff

10 Feb 2018 15:19:13
If I'm MTL, I don't do the trade. I'm pretty sure some other team will pay way more than that to get Pacioretty come the deadline.

07 Feb 2018 01:48:26
Zemgus Girgensons + Josh Gorges (25% Retained) to the Toronto Maple Leafs in exchange for Nikita Soshnikov + Calle Rosen + Dominic Moore + 2017 3rd Round Pick.

Girgensons is playing pretty bad right now. But he has played decent, like, in 2014? Ish? Maybe he can revitalize his career in Toronto? Even if he doesn't, he's a better fourth line centre than Moore right now, and better than Gauthier. And this allows Aaltonen to stay in the AHL for a year after this. And Zemgus could slot into 3C if Bozak leaves. For Buffalo, they have centre depth. Eichel. ROR. Reinhart. Larsson. And Casey Mittelstadt coming up. They can afford to give up Zemgus. As for Gorges, he's basically a slight upgrade over Polak, although not much. Still, I'd rather see Gorges than Polak, cause Babs will play him over Carrick 100%. And for Buffalo, they get a middling pick, two decently young europeans (Sosh can actually become something, Rosen looked decent but he may just be AHL caliber), and a guy they can replace Zemgus with for the time being.

Zach Hyman - Auston Matthews - William Nylander
Patrick Marleau - Nazem Kadri - Mitch Marner
James van Riemsdyk - Tyler Bozak - Connor Brown
Leo Komarov - Zemgus Girgensons - Kasperi Kapanen

Ron Hainsey - Morgan Rielly
Jake Gardiner - Josh Gorges
Nikita Zaitsev - Travis Dermott

*If that isn't enough, i'm willing to up the third to a second (the lower of the SJS/ TOR pick) . I'd like Girgensons, cause I feel he's only playing bad cause he's on a bad team.

07 Feb 2018 14:03:13
I would be all for this deal as a toronto fan.

07 Feb 2018 14:25:22
#1 I highly doubt sabres trade Girgensons for that.

#2 josh George’s was already technically traded to Toronto from MTL and said he wouldn’t go. I know a lot has changed with the roster of the leafs since then, but I don’t think it was a decision about winning vs losing because he chose buffalo over here lol I think it was more a personal decision and doubt that has changed.

07 Feb 2018 15:16:54

True. Maybe his decision changes though, if Torontos the only biter on him at the deadline? Cause he'd probably wanna get out of the hellhole known as Buffalo. Lol. And if it isn't enohgh, maybe bump the third to the second? I can't see Zemgus worth any more than that - he only has 9 points this year anyway.

07 Feb 2018 16:59:04
Yeah. I don’t think it’s a terrible offer, just think that they might bank on Girgenson bouncing back if those are the type of offers they’re getting for him.

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