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15 Aug 2018 20:48:34
Ottawa - Karlsson, Ryan, Pageau

Montreal - Patch, Alzner, Lernout and 4th round pick 2019

What more would Montreal have to add?

15 Aug 2018 21:20:39
A lot. like more than they ever would. Also one of habs best players, if not their best, is a top pair RHD. Why would they go for Karlsson?! Out of all the areas they need help in, that’s not it. They would give their whole future to a division rival an hour down the road and it wouldn’t help their team that much. Makes no sense.

15 Aug 2018 23:33:39
That's a lot of cap for montreal to take on but even still there is nothing of real value going back to ottawa only patches who would probably be there until the deadline this year.

16 Aug 2018 00:34:25
Even if Ottawa accepted this ridiculous proposal why would Montreal do it?
Canadiens need to tear it down and start again with good Draft Choices, not Drafting Brady Tkachuk wasn't a good start but they need to rebuild not retool.

10 Aug 2018 02:32:09
Ottawa trades: Stone, Smith

Buffalo trades: Nylander, beaulieu, Girgensons, 1st round pick 2019, 2nd round pick 2020

10 Aug 2018 04:21:58
Literally doesn’t make Toronto any better unless Nylander is going to be demanding a higher cap than stone has currently. Imo.

10 Aug 2018 04:27:05
Doesn't involve Toronto bruh.

10 Aug 2018 05:51:11
Stone would look awfully nice beside Eichel.

10 Aug 2018 06:20:37
McJesus if your going to critique why don't you actually read the trade lol nice one bud.

10 Aug 2018 13:49:08
1 our of 3 names could have been confused with Toronto lol.

10 Aug 2018 16:13:43
Lol but jim you have to agree it really doesn't make toronto any better.

10 Aug 2018 18:34:37
He’s right lol we don’t get better what so ever. And we don’t get worse. Does that make it an even trade?!

10 Aug 2018 19:08:00
I’m confused why don’t you guys think he’d be good with Eichel? Do you not think he’s good enough because he definitely is.

10 Aug 2018 19:45:43
Hahahahahahaha oops.

10 Aug 2018 19:46:45
Like it’s true tho it doesn’t make Toronto any better bud lmao 😂.

10 Aug 2018 20:31:45
Didnt know girgenson and beaulieu play for the leafs lolol. You guys are amazing.

09 Aug 2018 04:37:47
Florida trades: Bjugstad, McCann, 1st round pick 2019

Ottawa trades: Stone, 3rd round pick 2019

What do you guys think about this one?

09 Aug 2018 05:35:22
Stone could fetch more

09 Aug 2018 17:42:04
Doubt stone could fetch more because he'll choose his team next summer, not a chance sens resign him and everyone knows it, so a one year rental unless traded to a team of his liking.

04 Aug 2018 18:26:33
Ottawa: Karlsson, Ryan, Smith
Vegas: 1st, Brannstrom, Legace and Theodore

Ottawa: Pageau
Montreal: Peca + 3rd 2019

Ottawa: Anderson + 3rd 2020
San Jose: Dell

are any of these close? what would you add or change?

04 Aug 2018 19:39:19
Karlsson trade I wouldn't touch with Ryan contract.

05 Aug 2018 06:28:31
If Vegas is taking on both ryan and smith, ottawa would be lucky to get a first plus, no way they would get theodore.

02 Aug 2018 13:42:41
With Mark Stone reportedly asking 9M in arbitration, I don't see Melnyk wanting to pay him that much. if they don't agree on a fair deal do you see Melnyk saying to trade stone for assets rather than paying the man?

Ottawa: Stone
Edmonton: Jones + 1st?

02 Aug 2018 14:39:38
Not even close Stone might have more value then Karlsson sense he is a RFA.

02 Aug 2018 15:26:11
Stone is worth waaay more than a second pairing D and a very late first

02 Aug 2018 16:16:20
Stone is worth far more than that. But with Ottawa’s lack of leverage and track record lately I don’t know if they get proper value for anyone anymore. I still think teams would pay more than this though.

02 Aug 2018 17:14:15
At least 10other teams would offer more than a B Prospect and an1st for a 60+ point Defensive winger.

02 Aug 2018 19:57:46
Players always ask for a lot more than they actually want. The team is offering $5.5M I believe. He probably realistically wants and is worth around $7.5M. So he's asking for $9M. He will probably and should get between. $7-8M.

02 Aug 2018 20:44:36
Team is $5 mill I believe. Sens also almost $3 mill apart on Ceci. Long term deal for stone in the $7-7.5 range is probably what he wants but of Sens don’t do it, he has nothing to lose a year away from UFA.

02 Aug 2018 20:57:57
I wouldn’t even pay Ceci 3 million let alone be 3 million apart jeez.

02 Aug 2018 21:11:56
If league agrees more with the team and awards him $5-6 mill, then i think it’s all but guaranteed he will feel ripped off by ownership/ management and be gone at the first chance he gets. If they award him $7+ I think he could still then negotiate a long deal after with them.

02 Aug 2018 22:44:48
Jim, league has nothing to do with the amount of money stone gets.

03 Aug 2018 00:00:33
I meant arbitration. Not league. It’s a private arbitrator hired by the league.

03 Aug 2018 00:05:53
Lol. I legit LOLed when I read what Cici was asking for the other day.

03 Aug 2018 00:07:38
Jim you should know the league has nothing to do with the contract negotiations between player/ agent and GM/ Owner. Come on man. If they don't agree and want to go to arbritration that's third party, Still nothing to do with the NHL league I believe.

03 Aug 2018 04:56:26
You'd ask for the moon if you had to play for that organization right now too.

03 Aug 2018 12:54:32
Yupp, I corrected by saying arbitrator and do you think these private arbitrators work for free?! Lol they are contracted by the league. I own a construction company, when I’m done a job I contract a company to do a road sweep. They’re not MY employee, but I still technically hired them for that job. So yes, as I said, it’s a private arbitrator hired by the league.

03 Aug 2018 14:38:53
They aren't NHL employees tho as you kinda suggested. They are third party. Meaning they don't work directly for the league. they just come in with no bias either way and work things out. 🍻🍻.

03 Aug 2018 16:23:31
I agree. I said league by mistake and then corrected it to arbitrator lol

You said it has “nothing to do with NHL League”. So I said they are hired by the league but are private arbitrators. Didn’t you just use the quote “read to understand, don’t read to respond”?! Lol Jesus.

03 Aug 2018 16:34:53
And I specifically said ‘not employee’ in my analogy lol slow news day I guess.

03 Aug 2018 17:26:24
Anyone feel if the contracts keep rising like this we are heading for another lockout? Or if the cap continues to rise all will be good between owner and player? Stone's great, don't get me wrong, I really like him, but just feels like a few years ago he'd be more in the 5 mil range rather than the 7.3 he just signed.

03 Aug 2018 18:50:03
@musing, you’re right. They seem like they’re climbing but the bar is always set at the top. So a few years ago when Crosby, Malkin and ovie were the best in the world and making 8.7-9.5 guys like him were $5 mill range. But when mcdavid gets 12.5 as the best now (deserved) and that next tier is getting 10-11 (Doughty, toews, kane, kopitar, Tavares, Eichel, matthews soon) then these types of guys are $7+ mill for sure.

01 Aug 2018 12:47:48
A more realistic idea:

(LW) Mikkel Boedker to the Edmonton Oilers in exchange for (D) Kris Russell.

- Edmonton could use speedy wingers. Boedker is exactly that. Maybe he revitalizes alongside McDavid. Russell is extra as a DFD with Larsson and Nurse there as better versions of that.
- Ottawa is looking at trading EK. If they do, their blueline will be led by Chabot and Ceci. They could use more help. Russell could be a good mentor for Chabot too and could be a replacement for Methot,

01 Aug 2018 13:43:48
if they trade Russell for a winger they create a big hole on D and then rely on a rookie and Benning full time. I would trade for Boadker, but I would trade a winger and a draft pick for him, not Russell. Russell is the only leftie who can play right side well with only Larsson and Benning being righties.
Nurse Larson
Klefbom Russell
Sekera Benning.

01 Aug 2018 14:06:29
I don’t think it’s bad, makes sense with how you described it but I think Edmonton might have to add a bit. Just because I can’t see Ottawa trading the biggest piece of the hoffman deal so quick without getting prospects and/ or picks while being able to justify it to fans.

01 Aug 2018 15:30:51
If trading Russel leaves a hole on D, you've got bigger problems.

01 Aug 2018 22:42:42
Oil signed Reider and now have Aberg so I don’t think Boedker is much of a need right now but I would’ve been all over that last season. But as far as losing Russell they could easily sign someone to eat some minutes. Benning was definitely more effective on the third pairing but signing a bottom pairing vet could still work. And I don’t think they’ll make a major trade now that Bouchard is in the system. Also I can see them wanting to save face in a sense but Boedker has little to no value.

01 Aug 2018 22:58:25

Thats also nearly 20 million tied into your d, with Nurse needing pay. Russell>Selera so Ottawa wouldn't take Sekera, and the others are better. You guys need to acquire some help on the wing without depleting your wings further, and I think Russell is the right way to go. And @unsportsmanlike is right 100%. Lol.

01 Aug 2018 23:17:46
I’m no oilers fan but why does everyone think if a winger is traded there Mcdavid would “revitalize him” would Mikkel Boedker really play 1st line? If that’s the case then take every 37 point player from last yr and trade them to Edmonton and they will be all stars.

02 Aug 2018 04:53:52
@madeindade28 I didn’t watch all of there games but Boedker had some chemistry with Draisaitl on team Europe during the World Cup or whatever it was called. Again I haven’t watched a ton of Boedker but he plays a similar north south speed game to Hall, who had good chemistry with Draisaitl.

31 Jul 2018 14:30:28
Deadline trade:

OTT: Duschene
WPG: 1st Round Pick 2019, Stanley, Harkins

31 Jul 2018 15:27:02
I'm not saying its an unfair package its just that after this season Duschene is an UFA and would want a big raise and the Jets already have to extend, Wheeler, Laine, Connor, Copp, Dano and Trouba next year and they wouldn't be able to fit him in under the cap.

31 Jul 2018 20:20:21
Does anyone else know that his name is Duchene? Like its not hard to spell it the right way holy every post.

31 Jul 2018 20:49:39
Actually his name is Matt. His family name is Duchene.

31 Jul 2018 22:31:11
Would deffinetley be a rental, as to what IslandJet was saying., however if they are in need of that one peice for another cup run, may want to explore it.

31 Jul 2018 23:21:59
I agree Islandjet. I think AJ01 is forgetting there is a salary cap. Duchene would be a great pickup, the Jets just can't afford him.

01 Aug 2018 02:01:13
I highly doubt Ottawa would basically give away what seems to be the 1st overall draft pick for a few scraps (very late 1st, Stanley, Harkins)

Not saying that Stanley Harkins and a late 1st is not good, its just that for the first overall pick (which is what Ottawa basically paid for duchene), the return is weak

01 Aug 2018 02:13:49
salary retention would be the only to justify that package anyway.

01 Aug 2018 03:15:10
Even as a rental, that is a bit much. Stastny only cost a first and a decent prospect, not 2.

01 Aug 2018 06:29:07
Duchene is a tier above Stastny.

01 Aug 2018 22:36:22
as a rental piece: winnipeg would say yes, but i see them wanting to get affordable extension soon after because i don't see them paying that much to lose them like statsny

as long term: winnipeg says no because no resign guarentee.

25 Jul 2018 11:39:32

Edmonton -
• (D) Darnell Nurse
• (2019) 1st-Round Pick
• (C) Kailer Yamamoto
• (2019) 2nd-Round Pick
Ottawa -
• (D) Erik Karlsson
• (RW) Bobby Ryan
Toronto -
• (C) William Nylander
• (2019) 1st-Round Pick

Oilers - Erik Karlsson + William Nylander + Bobby Ryan
Ottawa - Kailer Yamamoto + 1st-Round Pick + 1st-Round Pick
Toronto - Darnell Nurse + 2nd Round Pick

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins - Connor McDavid - William Nylander
Pontus Aberg - Leon Draisaitl - Jesse Puljujärvi
Milan Lucic - Drake Cagguila - Tobias Rieder
Zack Kassian - Ryan Strome - Bobby Ryan

Oscar Klefbom - Erik Karlsson
Kris Russell - Adam Larsson
Andrej Sekera - Matt Benning

Then edmonton can find a way to ship Lucic off to Arizona or Florida.

25 Jul 2018 12:43:52
Where's Brodziak, Jujhar, Ryan wouldn't be a 4th liner.

25 Jul 2018 12:58:09
Nylander ad a 1st for nurse and a 2nd? Leafs pass. The heee way just makes it look confusing but at the end of the day I see what leafs get va what leaves and it’s an easy no.

25 Jul 2018 13:29:53
Oilers fleece this imo. Even if they take on Ryan, Nylander >>>> Yamamoto and EK >>>> Nurse.

25 Jul 2018 13:50:42
Just looked again, oilers get Karlsson and Nylander lol the 2 best players in the deal for nurse, moto, 1st and 2nd lol. Ottawa does alright, not great, with moto and 2 firsts that SHOULD be late for Karlsson, and once you factor in ditching Ryan, it’s probably a good return. Oilers are laughing and leafs lose the second best player and a 1st for the 3rd best player and a second?!

25 Jul 2018 15:03:35
This is an absolute biased trainwreck of Rambo/ marcusjoe proportions.

25 Jul 2018 15:21:17
@TSS yeah lol. They upgrade winger from yamamoto (good potential) to Nylander (21 year old 65pt player) and nurse (good Dman) to Karlsson (arguably best Dman in the world with doughty and hedman) and total cost is like a 20th and 50th overall pick haha.

25 Jul 2018 16:33:21
Yah well if Nurse was Right handed it could have merit but the leafs wouldn’t be the ones adding.

25 Jul 2018 17:49:08
Oilers don’t have the cap for that hahaha and god damn do they come out on top for this.

26 Jul 2018 00:10:09
TOR and OTT get hosed.

28 Jul 2018 21:03:05
Not a chance. Ottawa not getting fleeced again let alone in a Karlsson deal.

24 Jul 2018 14:59:32
E. Karlsson D

L. Draisaitl C

24 Jul 2018 15:06:02
Edmonton needs Drais more then Karlsson they have a decent d core but horrendous offensive depth.

24 Jul 2018 15:20:23
no from ottawa, they would want more than just draisaitl.

24 Jul 2018 17:10:59
I think that is a good starting point to be honest, provided a deal is in place that EK would be signing there.
But in the end, i don't know if EDM would want to pay EK what he wants.

25 Jul 2018 11:38:32
I think edm would have to Add another piece to make this go but would be good trade for both teams.

24 Jul 2018 02:58:18
two trades

to NJ

to Ottawa


to Edmonton

to Ottawa
2019 and 2020 1st

24 Jul 2018 05:10:36
I can't see OTT making that deal for Karlsson, its simply not enough value coming back. If I'm OTT I start the negotiations with Draisaitl ++ coming back.

24 Jul 2018 15:17:06
Devils decline that offer. Zajac is important and Ceci is not someone the team needs.

24 Jul 2018 16:58:13
Why would devils decline. Ottawa declines since zajac is 33 and with almost a 6 mil contract (he had only 26 pts last season). Ceci is a solid top 4 defenceman, and even though ryan's contract is roughly 1 mil extra, he is still 2-3 years younger and had more points (33).

24 Jul 2018 18:00:39
In terms of cost/ point amongst forwards on contracts that end in UFA, standardized to 82 games, Bobby Ryan was $2500 a point more expensive than Zach Parise last year. His comparisons last year (within 5 either way) include Parise, Loui Eriksson, Corey Perry, Casey Cizikas, Jason Pomminville, Brandon Saad and. Travis Zajac! he's much more than 1 mill overpaid and has 4 years left on that deal. Zajac isn't much better but at least a year shorter and 1.5 mill less cap. 91 players over 100k/ point cheaper than Ryan.

25 Jul 2018 01:27:00
Bobby Ryan has less value than just about any player putting up similar points with a lower salary or less years. Zajac has both. Very easy to know why devils say no.

25 Jul 2018 11:50:43
If it drais it’s not ++ maybe a pick but not much more then that.

25 Jul 2018 11:55:28
Ott won’t take a bad contract in a karlson deal.

20 Jul 2018 20:38:56
Winnipeg: Trouba
Ottawa: Karlsson

20 Jul 2018 20:58:24
Ottawa adds. Karlsson is inconsistent and injury prone, whereas trouba is a star in the making, leading the jets to the conference finals.

20 Jul 2018 21:08:30
Nope. Jets can't afford to pay Karlsson what he wants with the players they have coming up for renewal.

Plus, as Montreal taught us, you don't trade a really good young defenseman for a really good old one.

20 Jul 2018 22:45:17
Crazyattack- I agree. Soccer has Renoldo, Basketball had Jordan, Baseball had Babe Ruth and the NHL has Trouba.

20 Jul 2018 23:08:29
Vbb that might be your best response ever lol.

21 Jul 2018 04:05:24
@vbbbvvbb finally the first time I agree with you, except its spelled Ronaldo

21 Jul 2018 05:56:18
Sorry man I don’t follow anysport besides hockey lol.

21 Jul 2018 16:15:55
And marcusjoe, you could also say that trade would never happen because Karlsson would never move to Winnipeg. Like Trouba has tried to leave and will again, his rights are owned there and didn’t want to be there. Why would a guy who could go to 31 cities be there. Couldn’t convince Paul Statsny to leave $750k on the table to live there for a chance to win, not getting a Karlsson anyway.

21 Jul 2018 17:34:41
No chance as the Jets won't be able to sign Karlsson for what he wants, unless the Jets trade him for what they would want.

21 Jul 2018 17:50:35
This is laughable easy Ottawa says no and walking away.

20 Jul 2018 14:34:05
Rumor has it Seguin wants to go to a Canadian team. how bout.

Ott : Karlsson, Ryan, Anderson

Dallas : Seguin, spezza, bishop

Ottawa unloads Ryan for a bigger contract worst player with less term in spezza while picking up a goalie to replace andy.

20 Jul 2018 15:35:53
Don’t see how this makes Dallas any better. Karlson would up grade there d no question but then there offence takes a huge hit losing seguin for Ryan and goaltending they get worse to.

20 Jul 2018 15:39:13
This is better for Ottawa when it comes to filling needs. All Dallas would have at forward would be Benn and Radulov really.

20 Jul 2018 15:51:37
Are you sure he didn’t say any Canadian team other than Ottawa?

20 Jul 2018 15:55:52
Lol. Dallas laughs.

20 Jul 2018 16:09:56
I guess Hanzel would be the 1c 🤔 Spezza is Franchise corner piece compared to Ryan. Anybody sain would want spezza.

20 Jul 2018 16:11:20
They would take a hit offensively but it wouldn't be a huge one really.

Ryan puts up 0.53 + points per game with the exception of 2 seasons ago where he was having major health issues, his 3rd lowest points per game total was the 2013 / 2014 season where he put up 0.69 points per game.

Seguin puts up 0.88 + points per game

At the same time though.

Karlsson as a defenseman puts up 0.80 + points per game.

And jason spezza gets 0.74 points per game usually with the exception of this past year where he got 0.33 points per game a career low to be sure.

Goaltending I wouldn't say they get worst. older yes. but not worst. bishop been sortve shakey the last 2 years while Andy had 1 bad year after all that drama going on. plus Andy ìs a better playoff goalie for sure.

20 Jul 2018 17:44:18
Vbbvbb Ryan plays top 6 and still puts up respectable numbers. spezza plays 4th line and puts I
Up peanuts now. Ryan also plays at both ends while spezza is never back checking I've seen the guy play lots bu far Ryan is an upgrade on spezza there's no question on that. I wander if you even think before you type stuff like that?

Also know that benn was a center before Seguin was even in dallas, he centered eriksons line so no hanzal wouldn't be number 1 and Ryan is STILL a top 6 forward.

20 Jul 2018 18:02:08
Ho is this better for Ottawa in terms of needs? Lol

Skill for skill = number 1 center for bonafide number one defence

Bad contract swap = top 6 winger for bottom 3 center

Goalie swap = regular season performer 1/ 2 the time for playoff performer

Only thing Ottawa gets out of it is a bid contract with shorter duration. the rest look almost dead even.

20 Jul 2018 18:02:59
Ryan is top 6 on a nediocre to bad team, not a good team.

20 Jul 2018 19:09:05

20 Jul 2018 20:35:04
List of problems with this:

Seguin for Karlsson both with a year left is close. Edge goes to Karlsson but not by a ton as seguin is younger and will be able to be signed a bit cheaper. But bishop for Anderson is laughable.

Spezza has a bigger contract?! Yeah by 250k for 1 yr vs 4 yrs of Ryan lol hell no.

And Ryan puts up respectable #s and spezza is 4th line putting up peanuts?!

Over the last 3 seasons Ryan has played 205 games with 119 pts (.58 pts per game) . Spezza played 221 games with 139pts (.63pts per game)

And you say spezza only plays 4th line, so he out produces Bobby Ryan on the 4th line and you want stars to eat 3 extra years at 7.25 mill?!

And lastly spezza has a NMC. He already ran from that sh*thole once. You think he’s waiving to go back?! Lol.

20 Jul 2018 21:00:20
Personally IDK how you can call Ryan and Spezza = in terms of value

Spezza last 3 seasons
2015-2016 GP:75 G:33 P:63
2016-2017 GP:68 G:15 P:50
2017-2018 GP:78 G:8 P:26
Cap hit 7.5M Length 1Yr

Ryan last 3 seasons
2015-2016 GP:81 G:22 P:56
2016-2017 GP:62 G:13 P:25
2017-2018 GP:62 G:11 P:33
Cap hit 7.25M Length 4Yr

Ryan has produced less in 2 of the last 3 years then Spezza only 0.25M less but for an extended 3 years past Spezza.

Rambo you can't honestly think Ryan is a top 6 forward can you? Think for a second if a person was suggesting a player to be traded to Ottawa that had similar point totals and contract would you be happy and say we got a proven top 6 winger from this trade?

20 Jul 2018 21:09:32
Rambo how do you think of this trade

David Backes for Bobby Ryan.

I'm only looking for your opinion to see how you value players.

20 Jul 2018 21:51:29
Rambo proposals and facts don't mix.

20 Jul 2018 22:47:58
So if Ryan is that much better that Spezza why would you want to make the trade. It's hilarious how people can put up completely biased trades then try to justify it by saying their teams player is amazing and the other teams player coming back is crap. If their crap then why trade for them.

20 Jul 2018 23:18:54
Still waiting to see a response to how .58 pts per game is “respectable 2nd line numbers” and .63 pts per game is “peanuts for a 4th liner” lol

Rambo never let's a fact get in the way of a good story though.

21 Jul 2018 00:58:37
Just letting everyone know I meant every sain person would take Spezza over Ryan.

21 Jul 2018 18:11:44
Why make that trade yupp? Easy the 1 year left on spezza is why. if we can't flip him before his contract expires we can afford to let him walk for nothing and not miss him that's why.

I'm not arguing spezza production when playing big minutes ctc I'm saying Ryan's number are nearly as good with a huge difference being that for every goal spezza is a part of offensively he is responsible for 4 more against his team. giveaway with no backchecking hurt your team no matter how many you score. Ryan is far more responsible in that regard which is why he still plays top 6 while spezza was recently demoted to 4th line si yeah 100% coming from someone who's seen both guys play I'd take Ryan any given day of my life but it's a business and trying to dump a 1 year bad contract is better than trying to dump a 3 year bad contract.

Speaking of bad contracts jim you might want to look back at your poor research. spezza makes 8 million on a cap hit this I know for a fact as it was Ottawa that signed him and heatley to those deals.

N donscherry Ottawa is not a mediocre to bad team they just had a bad year due to a lot of different factors that I am done repeating to children. at worst they are an average to above average team that much is common sense.

22 Jul 2018 03:35:21
You're confusing common sense with delusional fantasies again bud.

08 Aug 2018 16:53:14
The Sens will say no to any deal including Spazza, do your homework. spazza demanded a trade from Ottawa.

18 Jul 2018 12:45:54
to Ottawa: Sergachev, Cirelli, Raddysh, 1st (TBL)

to Tampa: Karlsson (signed for 8 years/88 million)

to New Jersey: Coburn, Johnson, Högberg, 3rd (OTT), 2nd (TBL)

18 Jul 2018 13:20:09
Wait Jersey gives nothing and gets a second third and Johnson? The third is enough for one year of Coburn lol.

18 Jul 2018 13:37:19
Well, you're right lol. Maybe switch Johnson with Callahan? Or would Jersey need to get more if they take on Callahan?

18 Jul 2018 14:16:41
Wow. This might be one of the worst Karlsson proposals yet.
Sergachev, Carelli, Raddysh, 1st, 2nd, Coburn, Johnson

For Karlsson?

Do You actually think yzerman is an idiot?

18 Jul 2018 14:38:19
1. it's for Karlsson and to get rid of salary
2. why should Ottawa take less?
3. after rethinking my proposal, adding Johnson is too much. you could also take Cirelli/ Raddysh out of the deal or the 1st from Tampa.
4. No I actually don't think Stevie is an idiot.

18 Jul 2018 16:04:28
In my opinion its a bit too much (mainly with what Jersey is getting) and Coburn is all the salary they need to dump this year. Could send Coburn somewhere and then worry about next years cap issues later with Johnson Killorn Callahan all options to move. I also feel Karlsson extension in Tampa may be under 11 but wouldn't be by much and i wouldn't be surprised by 11.

18 Jul 2018 16:59:25
I still don’t know why New Jersey is involved in this lol.

20 Jul 2018 14:40:28
I actually don't mind this 1 at all. finally found someone on here outside myself and 2 others who no longer post because of the foolish posts and responses you see, who has a decent sense of trade value.

17 Jul 2018 20:28:00
OTT: Karlsson
TB: Sergachev, Raddysh, Joseph

17 Jul 2018 21:58:04
Yes from Ottawa on this one.

18 Jul 2018 01:48:59
I would really like Cirelli . but at this point Sergachev + is a win.

18 Jul 2018 10:02:32
Lul this a terrible trade proposal Sergachev, raddysh is a good start though.

20 Jul 2018 15:05:39
No from Ottawa, Tampa adds huge.

17 Jul 2018 17:50:02
edm trades puljujarvi, nurse,lucic and a 2nd round pick

ottawa trades karlsson

karlsson then signs for 9mil a yr for 7 yrs

17 Jul 2018 18:02:36
lol 9 million a season? He turned down 10.5 from Ottawa. Also why wouldn't they sign him 8 years? Overall too much if they don't have a contract in place.

17 Jul 2018 18:23:36
Too much? Puljujarvi is an unproven prospect, nurse is a pretty solid 2nd pairing D, Lucic is basically a cap dump and a second for arguably the best defenceman on earth. C'mon, you know that even karlsson for 1 year can fetch a lot more than that

17 Jul 2018 18:24:06
Haha 9 mil oh man Karlsson won’t sign for that. But as for the trade it won’t happen, Lucic will for sure not waive to go there and I’d suspect when/ if Ottawa trades Karlsson they are not trying to take back much salary.

18 Jul 2018 13:02:14
If he was signing for $9 mill, oilers would throw yamamoto in too lol if he takes less than doughtys $11 mill it will be in Tampa.

20 Jul 2018 14:44:45
If by puljujarvi you meant nuge, and by a 2nd you meant a 1st then it's a good deal by if I read this correctly then. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

11 Jul 2018 21:05:29
Three way deal

Alzner to Canucks

Montreals 2019 1st,Victor Mete
Vancouvers 2019 1st,2020 2nd, and Joulevi
to Ottawa

Brandon Sutter, Gudbranson to Montreal

11 Jul 2018 21:15:16
Hahahaha. Wtf.
You're going to get some screaming form Habs fans. This is absolutely laughable from a Habs stand point.
Pacioretty, 2019 1st, Mete, Alzner for Sutter and Gudbranson? Lmao
Karlsson for ALL that? What are you smoking.

11 Jul 2018 21:36:44
so @Thatguy can you justify how Habs profit from this?

Like they trade a consistent 30+ goal, 60+ point guy, a possible top
10 pick, there best D-prospect and maybe an overpaid D but not a terrible one and get an injury pron 3rd-line C and a replacement for Alzner.

Because I can not see any profit from this.

13 Jul 2018 13:45:13
ottawa takes this and runs
vancouver laughs to the bank
montreal cries into a poutine
why would montreal do this. at all?

13 Jul 2018 16:14:25
Canucks would laugh... far in the phone then hang up... why would a rebuilding team take patches... and EK the main trade prices.....

20 Jul 2018 14:47:58
Unless montreal and vancouver are both lottery teams in next offseason this deal is horrible for the sens.

Who the heck is mate and jolevi? Honestly.

11 Jul 2018 13:44:43
Ok so how about this. I actually would mind this just because its would give Ottawa a toughness they've really never had.

Ott : Karlsson, Anderson (g)

Cal : m. Tkechuck, andersson (defense prospect), and a 1st

Then if that happens.

Ott : gaborik, 5th

EDM : lucic

Tkechuck duchene Ryan
Tkechuck brown stone
Lucic pageau boadker
Dzingle Smith paajarvi

White and chlapic as scratches

Chabot wideman
Andersson ceci
Lajoie borowieski

Might not be as skilled as leafs up front but would definitely be hard team to play against and tough as nails.

Calgary adds both the goalie they desperately need and the best defenceman in the world.

Edmonton gets rid of useless lucic AHL may find a way in Ottawa to rejuvenate his career.

11 Jul 2018 14:44:03
Mike Smith - 36 years old
55gp 25 wins 2.65GAA .916sv%

Craig Anderson -37 years old
58gp 23 wins. 3.32GAA. .898sv%

Thanks for solving Calgary’s goaltending problems lol Craig Anderson is what they ‘desperately need? ’ Haha

Secondly, Calgary’s blue line is not where they need help. It’s scoring wingers and also being hard to play against (tkachuk) . With Giordano, Brodie, hanifin, hamonic they’re solid. So again Sens are clearly giving the best player, but this trade helps them way more than it helps Calgary. Anyone would want to add Karlsson, but flames are losing what they really need to gain a luxury that should not a major concern for them. Why?

11 Jul 2018 15:05:54
lol. Calgarys MVP was their goalie Smith last season. Geez.

11 Jul 2018 16:41:36
I feel like Stone would be more of an interest then Karlsson.

Stone ( RFA ) and Dizingel for Tkachuk and Brower ( cap )

Dizingel replaces Tkachuk on the 2nd line making Dizingel-Backlund-Lindholm. Then Stone give them that top line RW they “desperately need” who is litterly the perfect fit for Mohnahan-Guadreau

Meanwhile Tkachuk is only 20 and already a presance in the NHL. Could be the bright spot for Ottawa’s future.

11 Jul 2018 18:18:32
Vbbvbb first off stone going no where

2nd off no chance brower would be part of a deal like this stone => tkechuck and dzingle >>>>>>> brower plus no cap issue with dzingle like brower

How you come up with you player trade value is beyond comprehension.

11 Jul 2018 18:12:33
Fair enough on calgary's needs though I do believe it's an upgrade in nets yes Andy coming off a bad season but so is the entire Ottawa team as a whole. he has proven he can steal games when needed and he steps up huge in playoffs. Smith however I've never really been sold on since he played for Tampa.

The needs thing makes sense though I can agree with that to a degree but then again they did just sign neal to approach that couldn't they flip gio for a forward? Word is he is on block.

11 Jul 2018 19:29:51
Stone is about to be a lot more expensive and Calargry will need to dump cap to fit in 7-8 million for Stone. Tkachuk definitely has more value. Ottawa has no need for cap space as they’ll be near last place in the nhl for a few seasons.

11 Jul 2018 21:03:49
Tkechuck has slightly more cap value temporarily until his entry contract expires but stone has more skill value at both ends of ice and term value as well seeing as how when tkechuck is due for a new contract the average rate will be higher than it is now while stone is locked up at cheaper rate.

Hence stone =/ > tkechuck

Ottawa will not be last, though it is a tough time they do still have a skilled team. Carolina Arizona rangers Detroit calgary Edmonton Vancouver islanders are all just as bad if not worst and most of them don't have as many skilled players like stone Karlsson (or what ever we get for him) duchene brown tkechuck chabot wideman dzingle and yes, boadker and ryan.

11 Jul 2018 22:02:31
At the moment it looks like Stone is heading to arbitration. If he is not signed long term before then he will walk away with a one-year deal ending him with him a free agent.

You can bet your bottom dollar he would be entertaining offers from other teams at that point, perhaps eager to escape the dumpster fire that is the Ottawa Senators organization.

But I'm sure Melnyk will be eager to pay the man before then, right? He's never low-balled a star player or anything.

11 Jul 2018 22:39:32
vbbbvvbb, did u just say M. Tkatchuk has more value than mark stone. Have you watched mark stone play. He single-handedly carried Ottawa last year with points (averaged over 1 point a game). Yes Matthew is a good player, but he's nowhere near Mark Stone's level of play and Hockey IQ.

11 Jul 2018 23:49:46
Lol mark Stone is arbitration bound and almost guaranteed he’s leaving via UFA next season if he’s not traded.

12 Jul 2018 00:33:42
I love Stone Crinamally underated. He is the best offensive player on the Sens but they should trade him he’s in his prime and almost certainly won’t spend his prime years in the dumpster fire of Ottawa he'll sign a one year contract and he’ll probably leave via trade at the deadline or as an UFA . He had the best giveaway/ Takeway ratio in 2016/ 2017 in the nhl and is an Elite 2 way presance

But Tkachuk has more value he’s 5 years younger and strong defensively and offensively. Potential 70 point man. He’s also elite physically which is rare these days I believe he’d be a fan favourite in Ottawa with Karlsson leaving he’s be the face of the Franchise.

Maybe Calargry would need to add a prospect like Anderson ( NHL ready RHD )

12 Jul 2018 03:50:44
I'll take a bet on stone not leaving Ottawa Mike. name your price but make sure you're willing to pay up.

12 Jul 2018 15:02:08
Not sure the allowance you get from your mom is something you should be gambling.

I don't think it's more likely that Stone leaves than stays, and if it were any other organization in the league would 100% expect Stone to be signed long term before he gets to arbitration. But this IS the Senators we are talking about, so I would not be surprised by any means if Melnyk low balls Stone and refuses the offer, heads to arbitration, signs a one year deal via arbitration, and then tests free agency next summer.

If Melnyk is not willing to pay him what he is worth, it's not like there is a lot of reasons right now to stick around long-term on a hometown discount. The team is going to be garbage for the next few years.

13 Jul 2018 15:12:56
The team will not be garbage 1 bad year after all that garbage drama doesn't change things.
Hoffman out tkechuck in takes care of that.
phaneuf gone is a huge plus.
Karlsson healthy or the crazy return we could get for him will help emensly.
Brassard I never really liked anyway so brown can fill that role no issue.
The only possible worry would be the looming Anderson trade and who would take his place.

Aside from all that they still have duchene stone pageau and dzingle. Boadker despite over payed adds quickness and a little skill, Ryan still puts up respectable numbers, chabot going to break out even more especially if Karlsson gets traded. And their prospect pool is vastly underrated and highly skilled.

They play be a playoff bubble team might make it in might not but won't be a bottom feeder again this year. And if melnick paid Ryan like he did he will pay stone.

13 Jul 2018 17:42:44
Rambo, no one will actually bet with you. You ‘guaranteed’ the top 10 pick + for hoffman and now that you’re wrong you say its a joke and a technicality because they should have got more lol

If I bet you on stone leaving and he walks via UFA, you will say it doesn’t count because they didn’t even really want him anymore.

15 Jul 2018 17:13:43
Jim, take the bet or close your mouth. the fact is haffman is worth a top 5 to 10 pick whether you like him or not. We did get fleeced on that deal because our GM is incompetent. brian Murray could have gotten that maybe more for Hoffman if he were still alive and in charge. even muckler could do better seeing as how he got the 2nd overall (spezza), chara, and a 3rd piece for yashin.

And I believe my guarentee was we could get that if we had a better GM that wasn't named pierre dorian.

10 Jul 2018 20:33:53
3-way deal

RD Erik Karlsson
RW Bobby Ryan
2019 2nd round pick

LD Mikhail Sergachev
C Anthony Cirelli
RD Jake Dotchin
2020 1st round pick

New Jersey:
RW Brandon Baddock

To New Jersey:
RW Bobby Ryan
2019 2nd round pick
RD Jake Dotchin

To Ottawa:
LD Mikhail Sergachev
C Anthony Cirelli
2020 1st round pick

To Tampa:
RD Erik Karlsson
RW Brandon Baddock

10 Jul 2018 20:57:34
Again, why does New Jersey take 4 years/ $29 mill of bony Ryan for a #6/ 7 Dman and a 2nd?!

Detroit swapped picks which allowed Arizona Jacob Chychrun at 12th overall to take 1 year/ 7 mill of Datsuks money. Think about that price and now realize you want a team to take that same cap hit but 4 times as long. Where’s the incentive?!

11 Jul 2018 10:41:31
Should TB include Sergachev, we def won't also add Cirelli and a 1st lol.

11 Jul 2018 13:16:01
I could live with this.

Tampa would have to pair sergachev with a 1st and one of either cireli gourde or point triplets. you don't get the best defenceman / number 3 player in the world cheap. it's not even a debate at this point. you guys who think superstars like Karlsson come cheap need to get out of your grandparents basements. I say grandparents because even your parents would be embarrassed by you.

11 Jul 2018 15:08:46
Best deffensman in the world? The person who proposed the trade is talking about Karlsson not Doughty.

12 Jul 2018 08:11:31
Rambo, are you really that stupid? OTT has no leverage whatsoever, they need to trade him, otherwise they lose him for no return at all.

15 Jul 2018 17:23:02
They have a year to trade him if needed triplets it's not an immediate thing this the leverage argument is nullified and void get that through your head.

Exactly vbbvbb what does doughty have to do with anything to do with best defenceman in the world conversation? The guy hasn't been relevant in 3 seasons now. Karlsson bu far number 1 while the likes of dahlin hedman josi subban burns pietrangelo byfuglien werenski jones and ekblad have all surpassed doughty by this point. he's still great sure but not like he was. Karlsson had rough year injury wise and personal wise sso naturally he was going to struggle a bit doesn't mean he's done.

10 Jul 2018 15:14:54
3 way trade between Ottawa, Colorado and Tampa

Tampa gets: Karlsson, Conor timmins

Ottawa gets: Sergachev, Cirelli, Foote, COL 2019 1st (ottawa's)

Colorado gets: Tampa 2020 1st, Johnson, Ott 3rd 2019

10 Jul 2018 15:50:53
So Colorado gives up a good 19 year old RHD prospect and gives Ottawa back their own 1st round pick that should be a top 5, for Johnson (owed $30million), Tampa’s 1st (would be 25-31) and a 3rd from Sens?! Lol

Colorado just gets involved here to get screwed and help Ottawa’s rebuild by returning the pick their moron GM traded away and making it possible for them to cash in on Karlsson by taking Johnson’s salary out of the equation in Tampa.

The third team getting involved in these trades need to come out ahead to justify even being there. The only reason these things become 3 team trades is that teams 1 and 2 need team 3 to do them a favour. They get paid for that favour. They don’t pay to do youbthe favour. They’re the biggest loser in the whole deal haha makes zero sense.

10 Jul 2018 16:53:35
Haha oh man this is bad.

Easy no from Colorado. I don't think they trade that pick unless Karlsson is heading to Denver, not Tampa.

10 Jul 2018 18:04:45
Colorado gets bent over. Wouldn’t trade Timmons alone for that let alone a potential 1st ovr pick.

11 Jul 2018 10:42:27
This is horrible for TB. This is horrible for COL. Nice try, Sens fan.

11 Jul 2018 13:41:32
vbbbvvbb you wouldn't trade timmins for that lol.

11 Jul 2018 15:20:56
No I wouldn’t he has tremendous potential and in all the redrafts he’s a top 10 pick.

09 Jul 2018 15:42:15
I think, and hope, the Karlsson to Tampa trade, after an extension(8 x 11.5) would have to look like:

TB: Karlsson + B prospect
for either

OTT: Sergachev + Cirelli + ......

OTT: Point + Foote + ......


OTT: Cirelli + Foote + Raddysh

and that goes from most unlikely to most likely. The last trade maybe includes ryan instead of the prospect.

09 Jul 2018 20:14:25
Wow. I‘d be really disapointded with that last one. If we can get sergachev +. I’d be happy.

10 Jul 2018 00:52:54
Sorry, meant to put point + Foote as the most unlikely. I can see the sergachev one happening, but It'll probably end up being less than the last one.

10 Jul 2018 09:06:36
TB won't sign EK for 11.5 per, no way he gets that much from us.

10 Jul 2018 13:55:59
The point of Tampa getting involved in a huge name player like Karlsson when they’re already loaded with stars is that They can exploit the Tax situation vs places all around the league, but especially Ontario and California which are the highest. Tampa’s huge advantage means that they’re 8.5 mill offer to stamkos was equivalent after taxes to 10.5ish in Ontario (Toronto) . So if Tampa gives him 11 or 11.5, that’s like the equivalent of him getting 13-14 mill in Ottawa, Toronto, San Jose, LA or Anaheim lol if they give him $3 mill more than stamkos, $4 mill more than hedman, they might have an internal power struggle, but also almost guaranteed Kuch has to go. Bad plan.

10 Jul 2018 20:20:48
Sergachev + point/ gourde/ cirelli + a 1st and I'd be happy. maybe add an early round pick if cireli.

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