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23 Nov 2017 03:17:18
Ok, the sens are terrible at the moment and I think they need a few changes.

First, I believe that they are missing a complete defenceman to play alongside Erik Karlsson.
Trade 1 - OTT: Harpur, Nick Paul, 2019 3rd
NYI: Nick leddy

Second, they are missing a winger to play alongside duchene and ryan.
Trade 2 - OTT: Wideman (healthy), Smith,
2018 4th
VGK: James Neal
1. Hoffman-Brassard-Stone
2. Ryan-Duchene-Neal
3. Pyatt-Pageau-Dzingel
4. Thompson- Burrows

1. Karlsson Leddy
2. Ceci Chabot
3. Phaneuf Claesson Borowiecki

Thoughts?

23 Nov 2017 03:34:31
Lol two guys I've never heard about + a 3rd for a top line Dman
And the second one. Vegas aren't going to trade their first goal scorer for 2bottom line player.

23 Nov 2017 04:02:46
Then you must be an ignorant habs fan. Btw, your feedback means nothing to me. I've seen your posts hahaha

23 Nov 2017 05:06:06
Ya both teams say heck no.
Start with at least a 1st for Neal and for Vegas build.
And that's not enough for NYI to even consider.
These favor Sens insanely. Sorry.

23 Nov 2017 05:12:39
Umm, crazy dude, paul is literally are a c prospect, maybe b if your pushing it. paul is a goon and harper is a 28 year old replacement level player. if that plus a third equals to a "a complete defenceman to play alongside Erik Karlsson" you don't know what your talking about.

23 Nov 2017 05:58:01
Ottawa wins these by a landslide
Like it’s terrible for the other teams
Why would NYI give up a top 4 d for basically nothing
And Vegas would give up there too scorer for so depth players.

17 Nov 2017 04:02:03
Coyotes- dylan strome

Senators- 2018 2nd round pick.

17 Nov 2017 04:28:49
Too much for a career AHL guy.

17 Nov 2017 08:22:31
How does this have 4 believables?

17 Nov 2017 11:38:29
Hhhhaaaa lool no.

17 Nov 2017 14:10:52
Lol. Coyotes aren't just giving up on him for that and giving him away. No reason at all.

17 Nov 2017 18:37:10
He’s a 20 year old 6’3” centre who is top 20 All Time OHL points leaders lol who the hell would give up on that potential for a 2nd?! Get real. Sens fans didn’t want to trade chabot for Duchene who is the same age, picked 15 spots behind strome, and has accomplished the same in the NHL, which is nothing. Although strome has 15 pts in his first 12 AHL games.

17 Nov 2017 02:13:06
NYR: Grabner
Ottawa: Wideman, 5th

17 Nov 2017 03:35:54
Hahaha huuge no from NYR.

17 Nov 2017 13:55:09
I like the concept but i think we could do a bit better for a 26 yr old who was the best D in the AHL 2 yrs ago, but the base is right for us, we do need to move a D for a depth FWD.

15 Nov 2017 12:14:11
Okay so I saw a Marchessault trade on here where is balue was the one of a proven top 6 center who has a couple season under his belt.Not a guy who had one good season last year at 25 and is playing decent this season.Ott where the team to overpay I believe.So let's fix up that mistake

Ott:Ceci

LV:Marchessault

Not Chapin and another prospect straight up is what fair here.And honestly even maybe a pick cmt from LV

15 Nov 2017 14:14:27
Doable but marchessault’s a pending UFA so Ottawa might not accept.

15 Nov 2017 14:18:30
I still think Ottawa could do better with Ceci tbh.

15 Nov 2017 17:46:52
Mayyyybe if it was a sign and trade and Marchy was designed, at a reasonable price. I've heard people suggest he might ask for a crazy $ number on Thai next contact after the one really good year. So if you're trading for him, as a UFA you got to keep his next asking price in mind. I bet it will be kinda high too. So maybe Ottawa isn't interested at all especially losing Cici for.

15 Nov 2017 19:16:42
I agree Ceci could fetch better.

16 Nov 2017 02:24:18
Ok then my bad guys. I thought this was better then what was originally posted. I guess it is? But still too much to give for Marchessault. My bad.

14 Nov 2017 18:36:28
Ott : ceci, chlapic, Paul

Vgk : Marchessault

I heard Vegas was shopping marchessault anyway.

Ottawa has the defence and can afford to move Ceci, Paul has a big body net from presence, and chlapic is a solid prospect.

Marchessault is essentially a rental anyway but as an rfa ottawa can qualify him to gain assets to make it up if they lose him to free agency anyway while Vegas gets more for him than they would in qualifying offer if he walks to free agency anyway.

14 Nov 2017 19:12:38
I don’t know how sens fans value those prospects but from the outside looking in, I would think that’s a lot going to Vegas from them. Ceci might be enough just based on age, and position.

14 Nov 2017 19:30:16
Wtf man waay too much coming from Ottawa are you serious?

14 Nov 2017 19:56:08
I think Ottaway is happy with what they have now in offense.

15 Nov 2017 00:24:05
What? how are you a sens fan? that's way too much.

14 Nov 2017 22:11:35
Ottawa is looking for another top 6 forward believe it or not. But giving up that much for that player, not a chance.

14 Nov 2017 18:28:12
Here's a thought

To col : Phaneuf, dzingle

To ott : rantenen, 2nd in 2019

Rantenen is still relatively unproven yet he has shown chemistry with Duchene this season so far.

Duchene gets a former team mate to help him blend into ottawa and the sens recover a pick from Duchene trade plus unload Phaneuf contract.

Colorado gets a top four defenseman with leadership experience which they have more than enough cap space for now after shipping Duchene out, plus they get a top 6 roster forward to make up for rantenen.

14 Nov 2017 18:44:18
Colorado is rebuilding, they aren’t trading one of their top young players for a aging phaneuf and a 3rd line winger.

14 Nov 2017 19:01:48
Dzingle and rantenen are roughly the same age and relatively close in skill level. dzingle is capable of playing anywhere in top 9 including 1st or 2nd line minutes. he proved that last year. so Phaneuf shpuld be more than enough to make up for the slight difference between the two and a 2nd round pick next year.

Fyi Phaneuf is hardly old enough to be considered aging. if anything he's in his prime years.

14 Nov 2017 19:20:04
Lmao! Delusional. Colorado laughs at you! And
Phanuef won't waive his no trade for Colorado.

14 Nov 2017 19:30:46
Horrible my god.

14 Nov 2017 19:57:28
Wanna Rantanen. going to take at least Chabot + White.

14 Nov 2017 20:08:32
Dzingle and Rantanen are not the same.
Rantanen >> Dzingy.

15 Nov 2017 00:25:27
Oh man. This is so bad for COL. we're never getting rid of Dion's contract unless Dorion takes advantage of some GM desperate for D and has lots of cap space (and is dumb as hell) - (unlikely)

14 Nov 2017 21:18:52
Have you ever seen Rantanen play? I mean you can’t spell his name right, he has not played in the same line as Duchene ever I think, at least not this season (he is on the same line as MacKinnon and has been so since he joined the NHL) and you think he is an unproven guy on the same level as Ryan Dzingel?

14 Nov 2017 21:34:28
Rantanen>>>>>>Dzingel.

Phaneuf is worth a 2nd at best.


Horrible for Colorado.

14 Nov 2017 22:13:04
At least, Chabot AND White for Rantanen? Man you don't know anything HHB. Just dumb.

14 Nov 2017 23:11:42
Are you aging new, dzingel is like 25 or 26 and has peaked as a nhl player. Rantenen is 21 still has loads of potential and is 4 years younger and is already better than dzingel.

14 Nov 2017 23:16:26
Rantanen (10th overall) 21 years old 6’4 211 pounds
AHL - 56gp 24g 38a 62p
NHL - 100gp 25g 26a 51p

Dzingel (7th rounder) 25 yrs old 6’0 180 pounds
AHL - 119gp 31g 46a 77p
NHL - 127gp 22g 25a 47p

. virtually identical hahaha.

14 Nov 2017 23:26:26
Leafs trade garret sparks for Matt Murray.

I know Murray is younger. I know he was drafted 4 rounds higher, I know he has been better at every level but I value them the same, so pens should do it lol come on.

15 Nov 2017 04:42:04
Senskill. try doing a proposal not involving the sens, they're all really really bad.

14 Nov 2017 10:49:00
Ott: Chabot

Tor: JVR

14 Nov 2017 11:09:20
Lol no thanks.

14 Nov 2017 11:46:27
Ottawa laugh.

14 Nov 2017 13:04:13
Lol. You're hockey knowledge is bad.

14 Nov 2017 16:44:06
Your*
🙈.

14 Nov 2017 17:24:01
What. God no from Sens.

14 Nov 2017 22:31:16
chabot hasn't proved anything as well as the rest of the turds.

14 Nov 2017 03:33:45
Vancouver... Demko.. Ben Hutton or dorset....


Ottawa Thomas Chabot

14 Nov 2017 04:48:29
Ottawa says no.

14 Nov 2017 04:48:35
ottawa accepts and hangs up before you can change your mind if it's demko and hutton or dorset.

14 Nov 2017 04:57:23
Pkane88 like hell they do.

14 Nov 2017 08:52:30
Hell no. but thank you.

14 Nov 2017 08:54:14
All of the sudden because Dorsett has had a good start he has the same value as hutton? not even close my man.

14 Nov 2017 13:04:53
So much wrong wth this.
PKane you're way off man. Wow.

14 Nov 2017 13:28:08
Lol Usually the ‘A or B’ option in a trade is a a similar age prospect with equal potential upside, or aging vet with similar contract OR at least 2 options of the same position to fill a need. Never seen the A/ B being a 30 year old 4th line winger plug and a 24 year old D with top 4 potential haha.

14 Nov 2017 14:21:35
. Vancouver says no.

14 Nov 2017 17:25:01
lol shut the hell up Keyhabs.

14 Nov 2017 17:41:22
If Ottawa think there deffence is good now and they wanna chase the cup add Dorset would be a really good playoff addition and they don't have any good goalie prospects and Anderson getting pretty old.

14 Nov 2017 18:15:43
They aren't giving up Chabot for that. If they wouldn't for Duchene then why for this.
People are stupid for thinking they would even slightly consider giving up Chabot not for this.

14 Nov 2017 18:57:26
Thomas chabot probably the third best defences prospect and demko is the number one goalie prospect I think it's pretty close it just what the time want more a top pairing defence man or a number one goalie.

14 Nov 2017 19:33:59
I think it pretty close Thomas chabot is the 3 best defence prospect and demko is the best goalie prospect Anderson getting old and they have no good goalie prospects it just up what they want more a number 1 goalie or a top pairing defense man.

15 Nov 2017 04:54:29
No its not close at all, and andersons fine. if it were time for ottawa to be thinking goalie change they should go with someone with more experience imo, a guy in his mid to late 20s ready for the next step type of deal. you make valid points about dorsett being a good add for a play off team and i love hutton he's from my hometown, but for the sens to give up any of their top 3 prospects at this point would be absurd.

16 Nov 2017 01:01:37
Other teams will offer way more than that for Chabot and the Sens will not trade Chabot. No way Jose from the Sens. No team should offer any upcoming star to any other team.

13 Nov 2017 05:03:15
OTT: Ceci, 3rd
TOR: JVR

TOR gets top 4 RHD

OTT gets missing top 6 LW

13 Nov 2017 09:55:30
Not bad eh!

13 Nov 2017 11:42:50
Jvr would need to extend with sens for this to work.

13 Nov 2017 12:12:57
Pour pire.

13 Nov 2017 12:13:16
Pas pire.

13 Nov 2017 15:51:33
Merci HotHabs.

13 Nov 2017 17:21:53
Remove the 3rd.

13 Nov 2017 21:34:12
Other than trading within the division, I like the base of the trade. As a leaf fan I can get on board. Might need some sort of conditions one way or another for performance and signings, but it’s a good start.

13 Nov 2017 23:01:17
ceci a top 4 good one i wouldn't take anyone from sens overrated and flucky hockey.

14 Nov 2017 02:58:53
Hahaha great John. Sens have some great players. Get over it.

14 Nov 2017 08:58:18
Great john. i have no idea what you just said.

14 Nov 2017 22:35:08
because your team is goofy you wouldn't understand, watch some other teams for a change you might be surprised.

16 Nov 2017 01:10:32
Typical Leafs fan. The October team. I used to hate the Leafs and their Fans. Now I only hate their fans because they never evolve. The Sens have been more successful even through adversity making the playoffs lately and advancing. Much better hockey too. The leafs are on their way but not consistent enough yet.

08 Nov 2017 16:50:23
Nyr: Harper, 6th

Ott: Grabner

08 Nov 2017 21:05:27
Who is harper.

08 Nov 2017 22:19:44
As a sens fan, I'd take

09 Nov 2017 08:43:02
No thanks. Harper has made huge strides in the past couple of years and Sens are really high on him so i doubt they'd give him up.

09 Nov 2017 23:43:20
Not sure if the rangers would accept, but as a sens fan i like it. sure harpur looked decent last year, but the 30 year old grabners foot speed on the senators wing would be intriguing. i like grabners contract as well at 1.6m/ yr this year and next.
HHB. harpur is a 22 year old 6'6" 220lb defence, 4th round pick in 2013.

08 Nov 2017 11:05:47
Even with the addition of Duchene (which i'm over the moon about), we still need someone who can play in the top 6 and put up points.

OTT: Smith
FLA: Vrbata, 4th

Hoffman - Duchene - Ryan
Vrbata - Brassard - Stone
Dzingel - Pageau - Didominico
Pyatt - Thompson - Burrows

08 Nov 2017 11:29:17
Lol no.

08 Nov 2017 11:36:08
Wait a sec why would Florida be the team adding a 4th?

08 Nov 2017 13:23:55
because he's 37.

08 Nov 2017 22:21:18
Nah, I'd keep smith rather than Vrbata just bcz of age

06 Nov 2017 08:28:29
Col: Girard, 1 Rd pick Ott, one of nsh forward second rounder prospect, Bowers, 2 Rd pick Nsh

Ott: Dushene

Nsh: Turris

OK so this imo about the trade.I think 2 teams did very well.they paid a fair price for things they both wanted. the team overpaid for something they really needed.So Ottawa is the loser of the trade imo. Yes, Dushene is good but good enough to give up one basically 3 first round picks and a second rounder? Turris, Bowers and the first is already enough.

The second makes it very one sided.So basically Ottawa paid a premium FOR Dushene. Col got more then what I thought fr HIM. Girard and Bowers is already closest in value for him imo. A first and a prospect plus a second round pick? Wow amazing value.And Nsh paid 2 guy they drafted in second round for a good center they signed too so they paid just what he was worth.Ott paid premium un. SO OTT LOSSES AND Cool and Nsh wins

06 Nov 2017 18:14:25
Sens sent a first and 3rd. Not a second. And preds didn’t only pay 2 guys they got in the 2nd round. They also gave a 2nd round pick. So re think who over paid and who got value.

06 Nov 2017 18:42:45
Nashville ponied up the 2nd, Ottawa the 3rd. Ottawa cleared up an extra roster spot by moving Hammond. Using your method Nahville paid 3 2nd rounders for Turris.

10 Nov 2017 12:47:45
The Sens couldn't resign Turris for 7 or 8 years at 6.5, Hammond had to go, Bowers was a 1st rounder but wouldn't have have had any chance moving up with Chabot, Harpur coming up. Last years rumour had Ottawa paying more than what they just did. Duchene wants to play here and Karlsson will both probably interested in re-signing because of this upgrade. IMO Ottawa does very well, Nas does OK but pays a bit more and Colorado wins.

11 Nov 2017 00:37:31
Ottawa got shafted huge with no lube.

Essentially they paid a guy who's just as good as Duchene in turris, plus the 1st, the 3rd, bowers (who was a 1st himself), and Hammond (only good loss) . just to get Duchene. that's insane. Dorian needs to be fired with the dumb trades he keeps making.

12 Nov 2017 19:32:41
I think hawks18 assessment is alittle off considering everything that nashville paid to ottawa for turris was thrown to colorado, on top of this ottawa throws in a late first and third pick, a prospect and a cap dump. to a certain extent i kind of agree with senskill for the first time ever, it was a lot for the sens to pay i'm thinking a piece of the nashville trade should have stayed. At the end of the day i feel ottawa's getting the best player out of the deal, duchene is an exciting player and i'm looking forward to seeing what magic he can create with hoff, stone, karl and the boys.

13 Nov 2017 17:33:21
Time will tell. I also think Karlsson walks next year if Dorion doesn't make any moves. I liked Turris too. Still wish all the players well. Obviously the Avs won the deal. I think Dorion is following well into Murray's footsteps because again the Sens give more than what comes back to them. Like Facelift39 says. I can't wait to see the magic the Sens will have.

06 Nov 2017 01:32:32
Confirmed trade*

Ottawa trades turris, hammond, prospect bowers, a 1st and 3rd in exchange for duchene

Nashville trades two prospects girard and kamenev and a 3rd in exchange for turris (with extension-6yrs 36m)

Colorado trades duchene in exchange for hammond, girard, kamenev and a 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

06 Nov 2017 03:47:42
Sakic did absolutely amazing, nashville did a really good trade Ottawa gave up way too much!

06 Nov 2017 04:08:45
Honestly Pierre Dorion isn't the smartest GM in the NHL
He gave up a first and Turris to get Duchene
He also traded Dahlin (possibly to 9/ 6 forward) for Burrows
And he traded Brassard for Zibanejad who is now Nyr 1st center.

06 Nov 2017 04:19:06
Lol. It's a good trade all around. Sakic did not do "absolutely amazing" Pick and prospects are unproven. Will know in a few years.

06 Nov 2017 04:34:09
Dorian essentially gave up two 1st a 3rd andrew Hammond and kyle turris to get duchene who is really not any better then turris lol.

06 Nov 2017 07:01:04
Easy no Habs fans. You have MB at the throne. Can't make fun of any other teams GM when he's your guy.
This Duchene trade isn't as bad as you guys are making it out to be.
Good deal all around for all teams.

06 Nov 2017 08:09:11
I think nashville did alright. ottawa didn't give away chabot, white, brown or any roster defencemen and the 1st rounder will be a late one.
Colorado on the other hand didn't get anything near what i thought the ask was, still no top 4 defence.

06 Nov 2017 12:28:33
Yes yup and you guys have chirelli lol. What's your point? Stop trying to make yourself believe everything is all peachy in edmonton.

06 Nov 2017 17:23:15
Edmonton has chirelli and ottawa has dorion yes. but to compare them to marc bergevin you would have to be retarded.

06 Nov 2017 18:41:40
Facelift you shouldn't use that word. But anyway I'm fine with my gm. I mean he was smart enough not to give up what it took to get duchene. Sometimes the best deals are the ones you don't make.

06 Nov 2017 21:48:16
My apologies habby.
With the canadiens trading away sergachev for drouin, pk for weber, andrighetti for martunsen, beaulieu for a 3rd, and draft picks for ott and dwight king, not to mention letting radulov, markov, emelin and dubnyk all walk for nothing and the likes of price, patches, galchenyuk, shaw, plekanec all swirl through the rumor mill i have a hard time believing there's a move out there bergevin wouldn't make.

07 Nov 2017 03:26:55
Radulov going does sting a little I won't lie. I do think they made a reasonable effort to resign him but he decided on Dallas. i actually love the drouin and subban deals so maybe that's where our opinions differ mostly. the ghetto deal looks awful I agree but he had a load of opportunities to break out with the habs and never did and would have probably been lost on waivers if they didn't trade him. and dubnyk? Come on did he even play a game here? every team has lost players and traded players who gave gone elsewhere and played better. but a lot of times keeping them means you lose someone else who are already playing well for you.

06 Nov 2017 00:56:28
confirmed trade!

Ottawa gets: Matt Duchene
Nashville gets: Kyle Turris
Colorado gets: prospects Samuel Girard, Vladislav Kamenev and a second-round pick from the Predators, and forward Shane Bowers, goaltender Andrew Hammond and a first- and third-round pick from the Senators.

thoughts on this deal?

04 Nov 2017 06:59:23
So i'm sure that everyone has heard that there was a potential 3-way trade between OTT, NSH and COL, Involving Matt Duchene and Kyle Turris that fell through. I have been seing a lot of tweets/articles etc. about why the sens would want Duchene over Turris. Personally i think its a name thing. Sens haven't had the best Attendance this year and bringing in a Gold medal winner and former 30 goal scorer would certainly get some excitement amongst Sens fans.

Idk. Just something i've been thinking about, might not be true but yknow. Late night Banter ¯_(ツ)_/¯

04 Nov 2017 07:14:54
Makes complete sense to trade for Duchene if you’re the sense because first of all Turris reportedly wants an 8 year deal at 7+ mil and he’s a year older than Duchene. Duchene might be easier to sign at the same cap hit but less years which will be good for their future and Ottawa gets a player that fits better in today’s game (speed and skill)

04 Nov 2017 14:01:09
Plus sens get a year and a half of Duchene at his $6 mill to see how he fits in etc before they have to give him a contract.

04 Nov 2017 18:05:46
duchene didn't want to go to ottawa do you blame him.

05 Nov 2017 04:12:22
Better in today's game? Lmfao turris is a mirror image to Duchene in every way the difference in skill is like 0.05% in Duchene favour. their career totals are identical. only difference is that duchene was chosen to play for team Canada before and turris wasn't because at the time turris was under the gun of trade talks and mis management in Phoenix hurting his case to get on Canada's team.

29 Oct 2017 21:19:56
Ottawa: Dzingel, Claesson, 2nd

Colorado: Duchene

30 Oct 2017 15:13:21
Pree bad for Avs.

22 Oct 2017 23:46:54
With Bobby Ryan out for a month with a broken finger, sens can make this HYPOTHETICAL TRADE

Ottawa: Claesson, Chlapik, 2018 3rd
Vegas: Neal, 2018 6th

23 Oct 2017 05:48:13
I think Vegas trading Neal at this point of the season would send the wrong message to the Fan base. I don't think it's horrible however.

23 Oct 2017 20:51:51
I agree and disagree with ya Sosa.
They have gotten off to an amazing start which probably their own fans weren't expecting.
But the plan all along has been to build through the draft and prospects. So if they trade Neal for picks and prospects I don't think the fan base should get made, That's what was to be expected all along.
I do think Neal is worth a little more than this? Maybe a higher pick than the 3rd or a better prospect.
But maybe his value is higher now tbt is early as a team would have him majority of the year rather than at deadline.
I do think he is a fantastic pick up for whoever bids the highest.

23 Oct 2017 21:10:49
All these sens fans with crazy trades.

23 Oct 2017 23:49:20
You as a Habs fan can not talk about bad trades on here. You guys are hysterical on here lately. Way more so than Sens fans. Senskill is super nuts tho.

24 Oct 2017 00:19:48
I totally get what you are saying Yup. Your the Vegas guy. are they educated about this sort of thing down there? From what u have seen. Neal would be a great pick up for anyone forsure. for me, I see him as a great fit in your Oilers.

24 Oct 2017 05:49:40
I haven't been able to get down for a game yet since the season started! 😩 So I'm not exactly sure. But they are for sure really taking hockey up. It's a face paces sport they are really getting into big time. Faster pace than football, baseball and basketball. I've read lots of people say they can't believe they didn't get into hockey sooner. But not exactly how educated they are to give much info.
Was hoping to go before Christmas. But for the first Oilers game Sat Jan 13 for sure.
Neal would be a perfect rental for any playoff team but I'm biased and believe perfectly for my Oilers. Haha. Way better getting him as a rental instead of reading Nuge maybe + for Patches in my opinion.
Then trading Nuge for cap reasons after the season for whatever we can get (not big cap coming back tho) and trying to maybe persuade Neal to resign reasonable price. But I'm just dreaming with that one.

25 Oct 2017 00:54:38
Fast paced**!
They love it down there. The team winning is absolutely helping the buzz! I love it. Love Vegas. Hah.

22 Oct 2017 20:30:10
habs fire bergivin

Mon: Patches
Washington: bowey or vrana + 2nd

Mon: Chucky
Colorado: 2 second round picks

Mon: Gallagher
Ottawa: Perron + 2nd

Montreal: Shaw + Fucale
Vegas: 3rd + clarkson

Montreal: Price (retained 50%)
Van: Demko + virtanen + 1st + subban

Montreal: Petry
New york: Day + 3rd

Just an idea if montreal decided to go in the path of a rebuild, are ANY of these trades realistic?

22 Oct 2017 21:23:46
Then trade the rest of the their players to the Australian national team for a golf ball. Habs get shafted in all of these. Whether people like it or not, Pacioretty is Ann elite winger when looking at the stats. Worth when more than Bowey or Vrana plus a low second. Even though his value is low, Chucky is worth more than two seconds. The Shaw trade is so bad I won’t even comment. Price is the greatest goalie in the world, even though this season he’s started off rough. He’s the face of the franchise, he’s not being trade for mediocre prospects, Demko and a pick. I don’t know enough about day to judge the last trade.

22 Oct 2017 21:49:27
HAHAHAHAHA I really hope you're joking.

22 Oct 2017 21:50:44
None of these would ever happen unless you were a gm in this league.

22 Oct 2017 22:19:53
Why do you hate habs so much?

22 Oct 2017 23:44:37
%50 retained on Price?
Are you kidding? Has to be the most uneducated thing I've ever heard. Montreal would NEVER retain %50 of that contract for that long. Would be so stupid.

23 Oct 2017 05:50:35
This is really bad. You say rebuild. However, this a Blow it up with a Nuke. be the year 2075 by the time they ever recovered from that.

23 Oct 2017 14:48:42
Then whoever the new gm is gets fired as we'll lol.

23 Oct 2017 18:53:42
Chucky for second? WTF.

23 Oct 2017 20:49:03
Well Habs if you could read it says 2 2nds.
Which is about what majority of the teams in the league would value him at the moment.

24 Oct 2017 00:15:56
A Fourth liner is worth 2 seconds? Haha.

24 Oct 2017 05:50:18
Well he's probably not worth much more Haha.

20 Oct 2017 06:24:50
OTT: '18 1st, Sexton (even out contract #)
VGK: Neal, '18 7th

Neal - Turris - Stone
Hoffman - Brassard - Ryan
Dzingel - Pageau - Burrows
Pyatt - Thompson - Smith

Sens need another top 6 player that can help on the PP

Vegas gets a mid-to-late 1st

20 Oct 2017 11:13:30
Why the 7th?

20 Oct 2017 17:11:03
Because he's greedy.

20 Oct 2017 17:26:34
They'd be over the cap. They only have 5.25 million bud.

20 Oct 2017 18:31:39
I like the trade but i think sens would have to throw in claesson or Wideman for vgk to let go of their top player.

Ottawa: 18-1st Claesson and lajoie

VGK: Neal 19-3rd.

20 Oct 2017 19:15:25
Hey Senskill. James neal makes 5M and is a UFA at the end of the year. bud.

20 Oct 2017 19:16:39
And thehabsguy . Idk man. just basing it off of the Brassard trade kind of. The mindset of "Maybe the seventh can turn out better than the first". not my words. they're Dorions. lol.

21 Oct 2017 00:41:22
I like that.

21 Oct 2017 01:37:01
Even still I can't see the sens giving up their 1st for a rental player that costs 5 million when they only have 5.25 million to work with.

Maybe straight up Neal for Phaneuf work work better for both teams ottawa ditches Phaneuf remaining 3 years while Nashville solves a contract dispute and can go back after Neal in off season if they so choose to.

21 Oct 2017 04:28:32
Wow. that is horrible. you think were going to be able to lose Dions contract for a better player with less cap and yrs? We're stuck with Dion for another 4 yrs. Not smart Senskill.

21 Oct 2017 08:25:07
Hoff, Don't worry about senskill, he will quote the cap situation without looking it up. He will (in his own post) argue that phaneufs contract is done 2 years before browns when it's not, and anything else he can do to make his point assuming we are all posting online without access to the internet to fact check.

21 Oct 2017 15:19:45
That's exactly what vegas needs, veteran D with big contracts. lol you realize that they have about 12 D and are trying to move some out to get more playing time for young guys, right? How does taking 4 years at 7mill of phaneuf for their best player make them better?

21 Oct 2017 18:53:11
Ya don't worry Hoff we don't bunch you in with Senskill, I don't anyways. That guy is nuts.

22 Oct 2017 18:06:27
His contract is done at end of 2020/ 2021 season it's currently the 2017/ 2018 season my math gives it 3 years left not 4. And Neal is not a better player lol. First off they are hardly comparable at different positions but like Phaneuf, Neal is a streaky player.

22 Oct 2017 18:08:11
Not to mention rental players don't have a crazy value no matter how good they are.

23 Oct 2017 16:25:26
Neither do overpaid veterans with a few years of term left and 17/ 18, 18/ 19, 19/ 20, 20/ 21. Of the trade was made today, he would have 8 games shy of 4 full seasons left. I've seen your math before.

30 Oct 2017 03:03:10
Phaneuf might be an over played veteran but the fact he's still a top 4 defenceman on any team keeps his value up. 2 years ago you might have an argument unbiased jim while he still had 5 years left but with 3 years left it's perfect for teams like Philly or new jersey like teams that need to resign big name rookies and would be able to do so because of Pheneuf pay cut.

19 Oct 2017 22:29:44
To ottawa : doughty, Duchene

To Los Angeles: turris, chlapic, Phaneuf, dzingle, barrie

To colorado : ceci, white, tofolli, dustin brown


To break it down ottawa sends Pheneuf, chlapic, and dzingle to Los Angeles for brown, and Tofoli.

Ottawa then flips brown and tofoli to Colorado with Ceci and white to get Barrie and Duchene.

Then ottawa flips Barrie along with turris to los angeles for doughty.


La needs a center now to replace Carter who likely won't be back this year, doughty wants to play with a contender which ottawa is, and Colorado gets what they want for Duchene, ottawa adds a couple pieces that could help them take the next step.

20 Oct 2017 01:07:02
😳😳😳😳🙅🏿.

20 Oct 2017 02:04:09
What have I just read.

20 Oct 2017 05:50:15
You should probably deactivate your account after that post.

20 Oct 2017 12:11:48
La gets eaten alive.

20 Oct 2017 14:22:13
Makes sense seeing as how you're a Sens fan and given that team's inability to sell out their home barn I'm guessing you've never seen a hockey game.

20 Oct 2017 17:08:55
How do you figure the kings to be shafted TopShelfSlappers? Lmfao


They lose their top defenceman doughty, a top 6 winger tofoli, and the worst contract in the trade in brown,
and in return they pick up 2 top 55 defencemen one who can log doughty like minutes in Barrie and not look out of place, and one who can solidify their 2nd pair in Phaneuf (whos contract is more benificial than browns as it expires 2 years earlier), plus they get a center who can challenge for the top spot in turris, a top 6 winger in dzingle to take toffoli spot, and a very solid prospect in chlapic. To say kings were ripped makes you dumber than a door nob.

And the Colorado end they give up a top 6 center who wants out anyway and who's value continues to drop the more sakic drags it on, and a top 4 defenceman,
In return they get their insane asking price for Duchene in top 4 defenceman Cody Ceci who has stepped up his game so far this year as expected from a young guy with the potential he has, an elite level prospect in white, and a top 6 winger in tuffoli gets Barrie do to the sens giving so much for Duchene, Colorado also takes brown as a cap dump to make it happen cap wise but in doing so they add experience and veteran leadership.

Ottawa lands an elite level defenceman in doughty that was very well payed for and basically a left handed Kyle turris with a bit more speed in Duchene.

Anyone who knows anything about hockey can tell you this is a hockey trade three ways as it benefits all 3 teams, both ottawa and Los Angeles benefit now while colorado gets a bright future which is what they are looking for in a Duchene deal anyway.

20 Oct 2017 17:19:40
Just because some of you guys under value sens players doesn't make you right about their value. Get off you nhl video games and come back to the real world and you'd notice that real life trade values differ from that of a video game counter part. Unlike some of you guys I actually do follow the sport and don't over value players like duchene based on a ridiculas asking price by his gm or under value players turris or Phaneuf based on the team they play for or a contract they signed.

I actually do my homework on players which is more than I can say for you lot. This is why I always place in top 10 of any hockey pools I join.

20 Oct 2017 17:24:01
And stinks I've been to plenty games and for the record the sens don't need to sell out to out sell the majority of the league. Top 4 in last year's playoffs, ottawa was number 1 in ticket sales out selling even a sold out pitsberg arena. So take that comment and leave it in the trash with the rest of the dirt coming out of your mouth.

20 Oct 2017 19:51:56
You definitely under value Toffoli. Easy no from LA for sure.

20 Oct 2017 20:17:51
I dunno senskill, I don't see how they outsell a full capacity penguins game when their stadium seats almost 2400 people less than pittsburghs, but I'm sure you have your own proof in your head of that. Also senators had almost 3000 empty seats for game 6 of the east final last year. That's embarrassing no matter how you slice it.

20 Oct 2017 22:08:31
Also I appreciate irony as much as the next guy and when someone calls someone else "Dummer than a door nob", not knowin himself that there's a silent K in knob, it makes me smile. Good on a Friday. Thanks senskill.

21 Oct 2017 00:22:39
i wouldn't be calling the breakdowns as players being "flipped" moreso than a straight up huge 3 team trade.

21 Oct 2017 00:57:47
Oh nice I was just wandering what I need more than anything, and a grammar lesson from someone who actually believes ottawa was out sold in ticket sales in last year's final 4 when it was actually proven they were number 1 of the 4 is just what the doctor ordered unbiasedjim.

21 Oct 2017 01:04:45
Would you trade Karlsson and Hoffman for Jeff Carter, Tyson Barrie, Tanner Pearson, Adrian Kempe and a 1st?

21 Oct 2017 01:05:44
For someone with unbiased in his user name you certainly over value certain players like tuffoli and Duchene while not giving other players, specifically sens players like turris, Phaneuf, dzingle, Ceci, and Ryan, the credit they deserve. You constantly bad mouth them based on stupidity rather than actually looking up their stats and history, or watching them play more than just 1 game. Every player might suck the odd game, that don't mean they are going to suck all the time.

21 Oct 2017 01:27:46
Duchene and turris have identical stats, histories, and in game performances in roughly the same number of games and Duchene played with better line mates for half of that time period yet a number of you somehow seem to think he's still worth more than turris. Not true.

Doughty is great yes and tuffoli is streaky at best, sort of like a poor man's Bobby ryan, add the 5 year contract of Dustin Brown to lower the value of that package and sending back turris a top 6 center at worst, Phaneuf a solid 3-4 defenceman to make up browns bad contract with one that is 2 years shorter, Barrie a proven top 4 defenceman who can log top 2 minutes, chlapic who is a top 3 or 4 prospect in ottawas system with a ton of potential, and dzingle is not that far off what tuffoli can do anyway.

Duchene worth a bit more than tuffoli, Barrie worth a bit more than Ceci, but adding white 2nd best prospect in Ottawa's system and highly sought over by other teams in the league, and the contract, leadership, and experience of Dustin Brown to the mix and it balances out.

21 Oct 2017 01:46:43
Wow you really are delusional af.

21 Oct 2017 01:54:42
Englander that's nowhere close to the same value I mentioned.

Sure doughty And karlsson are roughly the same value, but Hoffman out values tuffoli anyday due to greater point totals and consistency, Barrie in both deals cancels himself out, Pearson and dzingle are roughly the same, Phaneuf far more valuable than clempe, chlapic = a 1st round pick, while turris > carter for a number of reasons not including points per game totals as that roughly equal but rather age for instance, turris in his prime while Carter is much older and bound to go on the decline in the next couple years, plus he just suffered a season ending injury.

21 Oct 2017 08:29:00
Facelift39 lmao I'm delusional?

At least I can back my trade proposals up with cold hard facts stemming straight from nhl. com and backed with full stats and player historys as well as putting a proper value on top prospects rather than basing their value solely on the number of nhl games they've played.

Guys like you can easily make claims that my proposals are no good and that I'm delususional because of them but the fact is you guys can't back up what you're putting out there while I can with support from nhl official web site.

You continually say my trades are bad but you can't offer 1 reason why to back up your claims because you know they're not bad. Sure the odd 1 every once in a while could use some twerking but not all of them and certainly not this one.

21 Oct 2017 12:09:56
Phaneuf is the same in value as Brown. Look what Toronto took to give him to you. A 2nd, a guy shipped for Pickard and three cap dumps. His value has also dropped significantly since.

As well, we don't undervalue Dzingel and Chlapik. We just think that they are both much worse than anything else. They are the two worst assetts (apart from Brown) in The deal.

21 Oct 2017 13:51:25
Okay no Kempe>>>>Phaneuf. Phaneuf has no value and proved that when they tried to trade him away and there was no takers. And Turris is a pending UFA I’ll take carter over him anyday UFA or not.

21 Oct 2017 15:22:54
I assume I'm the guy you mean who claims to be unbiased but over values toffoli and Duchene and never once have I talked about toffoli or his value, nor am I a fan of Colorado or LA. I am as confused by that almost as much as every one of your posts. Carry on.

21 Oct 2017 15:30:06
LOL. I'm with Lindss on this one.

And yes, you're insanely delusional Senskill. It's not even funny.

21 Oct 2017 15:36:10
I've also never bad mouthed turris, Hoffman, certainly not Karlsson. I also watch quite a few senators games, 5-6 a year vs the leafs (was 8 till a cpl years ago) and a few others from time to time if I see it on. I was a guy that defended phaneuf against haters for years when he was a leaf and still like him as a player and as a guy, just makes too much money, which isn't his fault at all. Blame leafs management for giving it to him, and sens management for taking it on.

You are so defensive that you will make up what other people say to make them seem like the bad guy when in reality, as the comments from everyone that isn't you on this thread shows, you're out to lunch on player evaluations. I would like you to find where I bad mouthed any senator player.

Leafs traded phaneuf for a 2nd round pick, a C level prospect and 3 cap dumps to the sens. And you said you could move his 4 years at 7 mill straight up for James Neal. let's figure out who overvalues his own teams assets while diminishing others. Once James Neal arrives in Ottawa you will say he's a former 40 goal scorer on a good contract and 'flip' him for doughty. But kings wil have to add a small incentive because doughty has an extra year at more money, right?

21 Oct 2017 15:36:30
"This is why I place top 10 in any hockey pools I join"
LMAO! Nomination for quote of the year right there.

Cold hard facts? Your players values are coming off your OPINIONS. Dude. And you're WAY off its crazy.
You embarrass yourself bro. They ARE bad. Very very very bad! Constantly BAD! Lol!

21 Oct 2017 15:42:28
Just read too that you said browns bad contract brings down the value of toffoli and doughty in the package coming to the sens. but then when you flip him to Colorado, his 'leadership and experience' is all of a sudden an asset LOL come on man. The contract gets better and his attributes go up in the 15 minutes he's a senator? Of course they do.

22 Oct 2017 18:47:33
Chlapic and dzingle the lowest value in the trade? Lmfao clearly you're the delusional one if you actually believe that topshelfslapper lol

Dzingles rookie season sees him land top 6 minutes in a number of games and 32 points in 80 games as well as being regarded as one of the fastest players in the league while chlapic is an easy B+/ A- prospect at this point and proved he can hang in this year's preseason.

23 Oct 2017 17:24:01
Oh and besides that, how often, in real life not video games, do you see a trade involving a superstar or 2 going one way and the same number of superstars with equal value going back?

The answer is maybe like 15% of the time. The other 85% of the time it's the best offer to come along because

1 - a player demands a trade because they don't want to play there anymore (like in Duchene case)

2 - a player wants to be traded because they want to win and feel their team is not capable of doing so and would rather be somewhere that can (as stated by doughty earlier this year)

3 - team is looking to rebuild using draft picks and rookies

4 - to make room for a huge free agent signing

5 - to move up in a draft

6 - to dump salary

Etc etc etc

Point is majority of the trades that actually happen are usually trades that involve a super star on one side but not necessarily on the other which is why you have no choice at times but look look at the values of top picks and prospects to or impact a player has on a team or role they play.

For instance they way you make deals I could see you accepting a deal if I offered you Matt Duchene for the guarenteed 1st overall pick in the current years draft but any smart gm would laugh in my face at that offer and tell me to add more if i wanted to be considered as that pick is more valuable down the road.

 
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