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17 Oct 2018 12:16:01
BIG Oilers Shakeup;


Oilers: Marchessault

VGK: Lucic, B Prospect (Larkin)

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Oilers: Smith, 2020 3rd round pick

OTT: Strome

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Oilers: Parayko, 2020 3rd round pick

STL: Yamamoto, Benning, 2019 1st round pick (Top 10 Protected)

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Oilers: Nylander

TO: Larsson, Caggiula

17 Oct 2018 13:21:45
Lol Vegas laughs.
No reason for STL to do that.
Not sure I like Smith more than Strome right now. Lucic - Strome - Yamamoto we put together as a third line last night and looked good, had some good chances and I hope that third line sticks for a bit because Drake and Puljujarvi looked good with Drai as well.
And Leafs fans will laugh and bring up Hall and just say that deal sucks because it's for Oilers players.

17 Oct 2018 13:44:47
The 1st trade is terrible for Vegas.

17 Oct 2018 14:43:23
Vegas laughs at you.

Ottawa deal is okay, but i don't think EDM does ir.

If Parayko>>Nylander, that won’t get him either.

Id take thatdeal for Ny imo.

17 Oct 2018 16:50:06
Brutal for Vegas
Dumb for oilers
Easy no from St. Louis
Could see leafs interested.

17 Oct 2018 17:51:36
Oliers don't look good at all what are talk about.

17 Oct 2018 22:47:49
Ya .500 2-2 on a tough road trip Vs tough spinners to start the season. Looking anbsolitly terrible. They should have like 10 wins by now. 4 games into the season. Chill.
Gotta get through the next 6 games vs 100 point teams and then all will hopefully be fine. Very very tough start to the season.

17 Oct 2018 22:31:17
Why is that every shake up for a Canadian team includes parayko for a bunch of crap. seriously

I have stated this on hfboards last fee days and I will state it here.

At the moment defense is an issue for blues. They will not be trading parayko for a mediocre prospect, a small middle six forward and first in 2020 because oilers are goijng to be in bottom 10.

Just stop with parayko.

17 Oct 2018 22:33:29
That Vegas one is terrible lol marchessault has 134 pts in his last 159 games, 27 years old and signed for $5 mill for the next 6 years. lucic is 30, has 86 pts in his last 168 games and makes $6mill for 4 more years. I know points isn’t everything and Lucic does other things that marchessault just can’t, but in today’s NHL the difference between the 2 is not a B prospect lol talks last off-season were it would cost an A prospect or that 2018 1st rounder to ditch Lucics contract. How do you think you can ditch it and get back a far better/ younger player for half the price?!

18 Oct 2018 15:33:18
Yeah I'd have to agree with jim here the Vegas trade is horrendous marchessault is arguably Vegas best player.

11 Oct 2018 04:59:51
Hi,like my old friends says ; no balls no Glory.So i submit one monster trade and i think that make sens for both club.

William Nylander Tor
Timothy Liljegren Tor
Frederik Gauthier Tor (Home town guy)
Frederik Andersen Tor (cap dump)
1st pick 2019 Tor
2nd pick 2020 Tor

VS

Carey Price Mtl
Jeff Petry Mtl

(open to salary dump)
How does a Stanley cup cost?

Frank

11 Oct 2018 05:23:30
Oh ok cool you can fight with the leaf fans for awhile lol.

11 Oct 2018 05:37:17
You'd think prices contract and performance would lighten the return, not like price has played better than Anderson last couple years and would hardly call him a cap dump. That'd leave a lot to get petty after nylander and Anderson for price.

11 Oct 2018 05:45:26
Fight on.

Bergevin is crazy enough to pull a stunt like this, but the more conservative and new to the job Dubas will be walking a far more conservative line.

You can keep Price and that obnoxiously high salary of his. Any GM taking on that contract has just shot himself in the foot. Bergevin is one of the worst GM’s in the league in my opinion. Famous for pulling the trigger on big deals like this, they have repeatedly backfired. I’m surprised he still has a job. No way Dubas considers this trade. Paying Price twice what we are paying Andersen would kill our already tight budget.

Petry is overpriced garbage. Points wise he had one decent year - last year, and was an eye watering -30. Leafs have no interest in Petry, even if Montreal was giving him away.

Asking Leafs to give up all this young talent for overpriced veterans is a throwback to the old days. It didn’t do us any good then, and it won now. Leafs pass.

11 Oct 2018 06:37:33
Hi Shootmcgee.

You play rough a lot.
And you write a lot of bright thing.

But now, talk the fact ;

Toronto NEVERRRR Ever win the cup with Anderson and your defence.
Price give you one Stanly Cup at 100% right away whatever how much this guy win each year $$$.

And Petry give you more than 50 pts with your big offence and he is big and play bigger when the time come.

Fact ; Price = Toronto Stanley CUP

Remember my last line ; How cost one Stanly Cup?

11 Oct 2018 11:11:12
Wow it's like memarcus and Rambo had a kid and then dropped him on his head a few times and then that kid grew up to be a habs fan.

11 Oct 2018 11:39:43
Hey look, some combination of Finest, Colt, Marcus and Rambo, all squished together to take the bad parts of each and make them the key characteristics of this guy. Yay!

11 Oct 2018 13:24:10
This has got to be original MontrealsFinest.
Or he had a baby with Colt and Rambo and that kid was sucking purple farts then decided to post his thoughts.
This is hilarious how delusional it is. This site is pretty amazing. Not in a good way, but entertaining none the less.

11 Oct 2018 13:59:37
I don’t think I’d do Andersen for Price straight up at this point. Not because he’s better, price is the better goalie for sure. But Andersen is still a top 10 goalie in the league, younger and makes less than half as much. Price at 10.5 till he’s 40+ is going to Hurt

Also clearly Franks off the rails because he just criticized a trade of Nylander for Edler straight up (terrible for leafs too) saying you don’t trade a rising 22 year old for a declining 32 year old with a big contract. Then suggests 3 younger rising players, a 1st, 2nd and Gauthier for 2 older guys with huge contracts lol.

11 Oct 2018 16:00:59
“Fact; Price = Toronto stanley cup” Well then I’m in. No need to even play out the season.

11 Oct 2018 18:38:18
Hi guys ;)
Thanks for all reply, its very appreciate.

First of all A. Edler can give you one Stanley Cup if they join Tor? Answer is simple ; NO

And please never put Anderson in the same line of C. Price.
Price can give you one Stanley Cup this year.

More of that, if Price take the place in the Toronto net right now ; Your club conclude the season with over of 115 pts and kill the league.

I think you forget something; Tor is very close to win one Stanley Cup and they not thinking about what happen in ten years. Also they have a lot of young superstars.

Now we talk about the trade ;Frederik Gauthier if you are lucky he play only in the 4th line at Toronto but for one poor club like Mtl this home town guy can fit.

About the 1st and second pick; 25 and 55 overall Tor can survive without i think.

About William Nylander; That is the core of the Trade and Mtl never ever take him 1 on 1 against Price, sooooo the answer of that is Timothy Liljegren.

So the question is ; Tor give minus, equal value or more than Mtl give? The answer is Tor give more in this trade.

But how much one Stanley cup Worth my friends?

That is the cost to see in april Mich Marner (my favorite) show the Stanley cup over his head!

11 Oct 2018 18:56:30
Hi guys ;)

Nylander didn't play, Gauthier didn't play Liljegren didn't play,1st and second pick is future and Price take the place of Anderson sooooo

Tell me if Toronto didn't have a better club with Price + Petry vs Nothing in reality?

Got it. Its simple Tor give nothing and receve 2 key player.

Whatever what you says, whatever if Carey is fragile and have 31 years old, they still a Franchise player.

At the end of the year, when you see Tampa Bay Destroy Anderson on the net, you got it too.

I don't says Anderson is a bad goalie, no no, i just says; you never win the Stanley Cup with your defence and this goalie.

So Edler vs 1st pick tor. ( and Believe me Van accept that right away)

Price +Petry vs Gauthier, Liljegreen,1st and second pick and Nylander ( about Anderson Tor they trade him anyway if they not include him in the Mtl trade)

Toronto WIN the Stanley CUP!

11 Oct 2018 19:18:41
If price is a stanley cup then why hasn't montreal won a cup with him.

11 Oct 2018 20:01:41
This is awesome. I’m reading those responses and I find myself talking like an old Italian guy like the ones that Andy Frost gets calling in to his show after the games on Leaf Talk lol I’m actually not trying to make fun of it, because I would assume English isn’t actually his first language. Some points he makes aren’t terrible, just the guarantees of a cup if we give a ton for a goalie with a bad contract and don’t worry about the disaster of a decade to follow is enough for me to be an extremely easy no.

11 Oct 2018 21:38:36
Hard to discuss a trade when people are in bad faith.
Your biggest argue is ; this guy speak English very bad.

Well, well that is true and i do my best to talk correctly.

Camyslop; simple, because Mtl didn't have enough stronger player also we come close to win the cup 2 time, specialy the year when Krieder hit and hurts Price intentionaly.

So Mtl now can't win the cup with Price and the Leafs can't win the cup with Anderson and Nylander, better like that hug?


I forget Toronto didn't win the cup last 6-7 decade. that explain a lot of thing.

12 Oct 2018 00:14:16
Not ripping on ya for your language man. English is clearly not your first language but you get the point across well enough for a non-native speaker so good for you. It's the trade itself that's the problem.

You could propose the same trade in French or Chinese and it would not change that.

12 Oct 2018 02:48:54
Price is getting paid 10.5 million and playing like a 4 million dollar goalie until he steps it back up to his old form he has negative value in my eyes.

08 Oct 2018 00:15:19
Not my normal route, but here we go:

New York Trades: Kevin Hayes (C/ LW - 50% Retention - 3.00 Million x 1 Year)
Toronto Trades: Josh Leivo (LW - 0.75 Million x 1 Year) + Trevor Moore (RW - 0.925 Million x 1 Years) + 2019 2nd Round Draft Pick.

- Hayes is a pending UFA. Considering what they got for guys like Grabner, and the transaction records for guys like Patrick Maroon (similar caliber to Hayes), this seems about right. Hayes is a solid, big guy who would add some much needed size to this Toronto lineup, replacing a small Tyler Ennis. New York gets back a replacement in Leivo who is a step-down for sure, but also acquire a 2nd and one of the Leafs better prospects in Trevor Moore (Low-Risk, Medium Reward Player, almost destined to become a 3rd liner, with not much potential beyond that) . I debated between Moore and Grundstrom but Grundstrom has a higher ceiling, and is too much of an add-in for a UFA.

Toronto Trades: Jake Gardiner (LD - 4.05 Million x 1 Year) + Eamon McAdam (G - 0.925 Million x 1 Year) + Frederik Gauthier (C - 0.675 Million x 1 Year)
Washington Trades: Madison Bowey (RD - 1.00 Million x 2 Years) + Connor Hobbs (RD - 0.75 Million x 1 Year) .

- Washington upgrades their defence in a major way for the time-being. Running Carlson/ Kempny, Orlov/ Niskanen, Gardiner/ Djoos would bea very solid dcore imo. Gauthier and McAdam are roster bodies, nothing more. Toronto downgrades their defence in general for this season, but acquires TWO RHD, which are good commodities. Bowey can step in as a physical presence this season, and get more minutes than in Washington (Stuck behind Carlson, Orlov, etc. ) Hobbs goes to a stacked Marlies team and can develop alongside Liljegren as RHD.

Toronto Trades: Martin Marincin (LD - 0.80 Million x 1 Year) + Andrew Nielsen (RD - 0.675 Million x 1 Year)
Ottawa Trades: Magnus Paajarvi (LW - 0.85 Million x 1 Year)

- Ottawa could use more defense, Toronto could use a veteran 14th forward. Nielsen and Marincin don’t have futures in Toronto, Paajarvi doesn’t have one in Ottawa. Simple trade.

William Nylander resigns, hopefully for a reasonable estimate of appx. 6.55 x 8 Years [52.5 Million Total]

Lineup:
Patrick Marleau - Auston Matthews - William Nylander
Kevin Hayes - John Tavares - Mitch Marner
Zach Hyman - Nazem Kadri - Connor Brown
Andreas Johnsson - Par Lindholm - Kasperi Kapanen
*Tyler Ennis, Magnus Paajarvi

Morgan Rielly - Madison Bowey
Travis Dermott - Nikita Zaitsev
Ron Hainsey - Igor Ozhiganov
*Justin Holl

Frederik Andersen
Garrett Sparks

Maybe not a better team atm. But a bigger, more physical team. Forward depth has zero holes now (Ennis may have been one before), and defense is younger, cost-controlled and has tons of cheap RHD upcoming (Bowey, Liljegren, Hobbs, etc. )

08 Oct 2018 05:05:08
I like Kevin Hayes. A lot. Big kid that can bang in the pick and put up solid numbers. He would look good beside any of our theee centres. Not sure NYR make this deal, but if they would, Leafs would be foolish not to jump on it. We could even afford Hayes at his full salary this year. No need for NYR to retain. That may be a further incentive for them to move him.

Any trade that involves trading out Gardiner is a good trade in my eyes. Not sure Dubas feels the same way. If it makes the team weaker in any way, you can be sure he won’t do it. Even though I agree we should be dumping Giveaway for picks/ prospects rather than lose him for nothing.

Paajarvi is a monster. A real bust, he probably wouldn’t have much of a future in Toronto either. But he’s huge. And in my mind, bigger is better.

Well done TopShelfSlappers. I like your lineups. The forward group is especially solid. Defense as you said looks a little weaker, but trading Gardiner is addition through subtraction. And the guys you suggest all have talent and can make us better long term. A one step back, two step forward move.

08 Oct 2018 05:23:03
Not sure Washington would be up for trading young Bowey. Just my thought tho.

08 Oct 2018 15:30:51
Ty @LG, I do prefer this, especially as Hayes does provide some size to a small team.


@yupp

I felt the same way, but Washington would want to upgrade to keep their cup. Gardiner is a step up on Bowey for sure, and would allow them to cycle three d units. Gardiner is worth at least a first imo, and Bowey is basically that. Plus, Bowey will be stuck behind Carlson/ Kempny/ Orlov/ Niskanen for at least the next two years, and Djoos is also there, as is Johansen, both solid d prospects.

08 Oct 2018 18:28:36
Sore Gardiner is an upgrade right now for this season but age and contract I wouldn't make this trade if I was Washington myself. Gardiner older and a UFA at seasons end with rumors of maybe wanting upwards to $7M per year long term on the next deal. I get what you're saying for this year, go for the cup again, And I think I'm now on the fence with all things considered. Leafs are the ones who need to upgrade D not downgrade. Can't win every game 7-6.

03 Oct 2018 08:51:16
Canucks sutter sven 3 rd pick

Hawks ANISIMOV sad

Hawks gain 3 million in cap space

Hawk murphy. Kempfy 1 rd pick

Ottawa stone

Sven toews kane
DeBrincat Schmaltz stone
Kahun sutter hayden

Goldobin horvat boeser
Saad petterson vitanen
Erikson Anisimov liespic

03 Oct 2018 11:32:42
Worse than your name.

03 Oct 2018 11:36:07
Stop Brock please, lol.

‘Sutteer sven guddy tanev’. Def Brock. Lol.

And as for the trades, first ones not horrific, saves some cap for Chicago, but I think Saad>Barrtschi and Anisimov>>Sutter.
For the second, no. Kempny doesn't even play for CHI anymore - their 1st could very well be top5, and that's not worth it for a pending UFA who is likely destined to leave the team.

03 Oct 2018 16:43:49
Saad is over payed sven had more points the him last year but he could bounce back canucks take a gamble ANISIMOV is over payed as well and is really bad in his own end sutter and have the same value
If a player on a bad contract you get much for them lol.

28 Sep 2018 07:38:01
What canuck should of done this year


Canucks joulevi delzotto gaudette lind 2 rd pick

Ottawa bobby ryan chabot duchene smith

Sven horvat boeser
Petterson duchene ryan
Liespic sutter virtanen
Erikson smith granlund

Chabot tanev
Edler stecher
Pouliot guddy

2019 2020
Sven
Canes tvr
Guddy
Tor 2 rd pick

Artem p. Horvat boeser
Petterson duchene ryan
Liespic sutter virtanen
Erikson smith ?

Chabot tanev
Edler stecher
Hughes tvr

Stanley cup champions 😖😖😖😖😖😢😂😭😥

28 Sep 2018 17:53:56
I don't even understand this post, where did Panarin come from?

29 Sep 2018 02:33:56
Guys suckin purple farts from somebody clearly doesn’t sound too healthy for the brain.

01 Oct 2018 04:08:21
Absolute no from Canucks side.

Chabot is the only player ‘Nucks would want here. Bobby Ryan is too old and his contract will bury any team that takes it. Duchene is pending UFA and will be looking at breaking the bank in his next contract. Smith sucks and was cut from the team.

Canucks are re-building and won’t want anything to do with all these old men on bloated contracts, one of whom can’t even make the lowly Senators team.

24 Sep 2018 15:29:13
Calgary - Michael Stone + Sam Bennett
Ottawa - 2019 3rd Round Pick + 2020 2nd Round Pick

Makes room for a younger players to play for the flames and sheds cap and gives Ottawa a positional need on D and reunites the Stone brothers. Bennett is more like a low risk high reward at this point.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Neal
Tkachuk - Backlund - Czarnik
Dube - Jankowski - Lindholm
Frolik - Ryan - Foo

Giordano - Brodie
Hanifin - Hamonic
Kulak - Andersson

Smith
Gillies

24 Sep 2018 16:56:38
The Flames aren't trading Bennet for draft picks. Jeez. If they were to shop him, which I don't think they are or should, ot would probably be a one for one swap to try and stay competitive. Not for a draft pick.

25 Sep 2018 15:34:49
ottawa is rebuilding, why would they want to give away picks?

20 Sep 2018 14:36:26
3-way Deal
To SJ:
Brown, leafs 2021 2nd, Durzi
To Anaheim:
Braun, Carrick, leafs 2019 1st, Leivo, Rosen
To Leafs;
Sharks 2021 3rd, Montour

Anaheim gets better defensive depth (which they need), leafs get their defenceman, and Sharks get a top 9 forward a pick and a good prospect to help replace the depth and prospects they traded to Ottawa

20 Sep 2018 16:15:11
Anaheim gets worse defensively dude.

20 Sep 2018 17:04:18
I know Montour is supposed to be good, looks impressive, and if I were Ducks, I wouldn’t give him away without a big overpayment. But on the flip side, is he so proven and such a sure thing star that he’s worth leafs giving up Connor Brown, Connor Carrick, Sean Durzi, Josh Leivo, Calle Rosen a 1st and a 2nd? Lol I get he’s probably going to be far better than any of them. But leafs need to keep a stream of cheap youth coming up for cap reasons. That’s trading a lot of guys that could play a role for them for one guy. And before I hear how it’s biased and it’s quantity over quality, I agree, which is why I started by saying I doubt ducks do it either.

20 Sep 2018 17:17:47
The point of the ducks making this trade is to improve their depth at defence, I don’t think having Schene on your top 6 is the way to go, especially not when you could get a guy like Carrick with a low contract as well to play there
Also Braun isn’t bad, he can replace Montour on the top 4 and playing with Fowler or Lindholm, he should be very solid, so Anaheim definetly recieves quality there
Rosen can replace Peterson in a year or so
I think your overvaluing Montour here, he is a good defenceman but if you compare Gardiner to him, it’s very similar, just that one is a righty so it bumps him up a bit, as yourself, would you take that deal for Gardiner?

20 Sep 2018 20:00:04
Well there’s a maximum contract limit for each team also, so ducks losing one player and adding 4 also handcuffs them for future moves. All these things would have to be considered, it’s not just what the in and out is today but how it affects the team and the plan going forward. Durzi is a long shot player, undrafted last year then grabbed late 2nd round of this draft, so is he someone you would want to take if that roster spot being filled prevents you from adding someone of significance at the deadline this season?! That’s the problem with the quantity rather than quality proposals. got to think the ducks had at least 9 chances to draft him over 2 years. How much do they value that guy?!

20 Sep 2018 20:21:25
2 1sts, 2nd And Brown for Montour? That’s almost what Karlsson got.

20 Sep 2018 20:55:21
Problem is, this si super unrelaistic. Where have three team trades happened with this many moving parts, especially with the addition of two div rivals trading with each other.

For the Leafs, stick to one or the other, don't try this three team stuff because itll never happen unless its an extremely major deal.

Additionally, your logic is flawd for the Ducks. Montour > Braun, and Carrick and Rosen are just fillers. Theyd rather just keep Schenn and Pettersson and Sustr.

And should the Leads really trade all of those parts? Especially for another offensive dman?

16 Sep 2018 23:13:36
Detroit: SJ's second round pick
Ottawa: Trevor Daley

Ottawa needs a vet NHL defenseman. Detroit also rebuilding and could use the pick.

17 Sep 2018 06:21:23
Lol not a 2nd.

17 Sep 2018 16:38:08
You can find ‘good leaders’ and veteran presence type guys for free in free agency, even after camps when some PTOs are released. Without giving up a 2nd while trying to accumulate young players.

17 Sep 2018 21:52:56
I am just thinking that those players haven't been signed or released from a PTO for a reason. I would rather have that roster spot taken by a kid. But I think when these guys get undressed by the elite, you'd like a little more than Ceci and Boro on the bench to provide that veteran element and leadership. Maybe the answer is in coaching or player development guys. Donovan and Kelly have a load of experience, but as players they were not that different from one another so likely bring a lot of the same attributes to the table. So if they hire only ex-Sens for this type of role, then maybe Curtis Lesyschen could be coerced. Or Chris Phillips or Wade Redden. You have to know every team is going to come hard on the forecheck against this D.

18 Sep 2018 00:52:41
Hey, if that’s what you want to spend assets on, I’d be happy to try to convince Dubas to send Hainsey your way for a 2nd.

Reality is, guys get cut from PTOs becaue they lack the speed or skill they used to have, not character and leadership. If they weren’t good characters, they never would get invited to be around a teams youth at camp to begin with.

15 Sep 2018 02:08:51
Jets logan stanley Roslovic


Ottawa duchene

Connor sheiflle wheeler
Ehler duchene laine
Pourle little copp


Morrisly trouba
Niku bufflyn
Cheriot myers

15 Sep 2018 08:54:11
No thanks from Winnipeg. The Jets won't be able to afford Duchene next year and I wouldn't want to give up Roslovic for one year of Duchene.

15 Sep 2018 15:58:02
This trade only hurts the Jets long term. Duchene is not a superstar or a game changing centre that is signed long term at a reasonable contract, but a good #2 centre that will wan't way more $ than he will be worth. The Jets don't go near this trade and keep the money to help sign next years players that need new contracts.

15 Sep 2018 16:07:36
There is no way Dorion could get that good of a return for Duchene.

15 Sep 2018 19:16:33
You guys have got to stop posting Trades for Jets players. They are gold and would take massive overpayments and even then these hinders will still find a way to say it's not good enough.

15 Sep 2018 21:23:35
Homers*

Complete homers.

16 Sep 2018 00:31:14
Yupp How about Duchene to the Oilers for Puljujarvi and Bouchard? Duchene to the Leafs for Nylander and Liljegren sounds fair.

16 Sep 2018 01:25:56
But both those pairings are better than this Jets pairing of players in this proposed posted trade 🤔🤔.

16 Sep 2018 02:10:21
Wouldn’t that be closer to say Khaira or Strome and Jones? Absolutely not Puljujarvi and Bouchard. Lol.

16 Sep 2018 03:03:38
Yes, please stop with terrible proposals for Jets players.

16 Sep 2018 03:38:17
Neither of the Jets players are compareble to pool party or Bouchard if we’re goinf off draft selections so that’s pretty dumb comment.

16 Sep 2018 07:11:26
Hahahaha.

16 Sep 2018 13:55:47
‘Nylander and liljegren’


Hahahahahahahhahahah.

16 Sep 2018 14:28:14
Ive agreed with the Jets fans a few times in terms of the deal just not making sense for Winnipeg but it’s getting bad guys. You’re not supposed to get better now and in the future in a trade if you do the other team screwed up. Typically going to have to trade now for future or future for now. They should be looking to trade a bit of future to solidify now.

13 Sep 2018 15:37:19
With stingy Steve Yzerman off the reigns, I see a more comparable ott Tampa trade happening for Erik Karlsson.

Tampa: EK (EXTENSION)

Ott: Sergachev + Cirelli + Raddysh

13 Sep 2018 15:55:08
If Tampa wanted to trade Sergachev for Karlsson it would’ve been done already.

13 Sep 2018 16:13:23
The GM has changed so maybe Tampas needs have changed.

13 Sep 2018 17:23:50
no pending ufa is worth sergachev and radyish. I know i spelt it wrong in a hurry.

13 Sep 2018 19:33:35
Lmao. Delusional.

12 Sep 2018 22:10:05
Dallas: Karlsson (signed long term)

Ottawa: Heiskanen, Oettinger, 1st rounder,

12 Sep 2018 23:26:23
Long term idk if that’s even enough 🤷🏼‍♂️.

12 Sep 2018 17:31:23
As you can all tell I am obviously a leafs fan, but I was wondering if something like this could happen

To Ottawa:
Trouba, 2019 1st, Petan, retain 1.3 mill of Ceci's contract
To Winnipeg:
Duchene, Ceci, 2019 3rd, 2020 4th

This would definitely help Winnipeg and give Ottawa something with value back for Duchene, and something to kind of eas the pain of trading Karlsson later on, it would get them 2 first rounders at absolute minimum in the end to make up for their lost first
I added Ceci in the trade just so Winnipeg has a backup plan in case Myers goes to FA next summer, although his cap is something they may want to lower so they ask Ottawa to retain around 1.3 mill of his salary
I don't think Duchene plays on re-signing in Ottawa anyway so this may be a trade where they can actually get something for him

Thoughts?

12 Sep 2018 18:12:53
No interest from Winnipeg. The Jets won't be able to afford to resign Duchene and trading Trouba this year makes the Jets worse. There is just no incentive there for the Jets to do this.

12 Sep 2018 18:29:12
Why would the Jets trade for a UFA in Duchene and a RFA in Ceci. The Jets have enough of their own players to sign and they don't need to trade for Duchene who will leave at the end of the season because he will want $8+ mil and the Jets will have better use for that money. They already have an arbitration headache in Trouba so why down grade and trade for another one in Ceci? Then for this they give up a piece of their future in a first round pick. They have the chemistry and internal pieces to make a deep run for the cup and two unhappy perennial losers won't do much to increase the Jets chances. The Jets aren't in business to improve the Sens future.

12 Sep 2018 18:32:18
Trouba wouldn't want to be in Ottawa over Winnipeg. Lol.

12 Sep 2018 18:44:31
@islandjet
That is my point, this is a short term solution for the Jets until they can find someone else who they can bring in, they don’t have to re-sign Duchene, and Trouba is replaced by Ceci, who won’t cost as much and who won’t be a huge d**k when it comes to RFA like Trouba was, and won’t cost as much so they have more money to re-sign Myers, Morrisey and other pending UFA and RFA, they still have about 10 mill in space without LTIR so they can 100% do this.
Oh and one more thing, there is no way Duchene is getting more then 7 mill, he had less points then Nylander and Nylander is going to get at max 7, I just don’t see it happening

@memarcusjoe
The Jets are stupid stacked on right side defence, they downgrade that to upgrade their center, if they want a center it’s going to cost Trouba or Myers, just like if the leafs want Parayko it will cost Nylander, they have the depth so 100% they can do it, it’s just a question of who they target
Again they don’t have to re-sign Duchene, it’s a short term solution until they can find something else.

12 Sep 2018 19:32:08
The Jets are stacked on the right side. now, but of their next 4 top d-man prospects in Niku, Stanley, Poolman and Samberg only Poolman is a right shot. If the Jets can't re-sign Trouba and had to trade him at the draft, which would be hastened with the re-signing of Myers or the development of Poolman, they would want another top 1/ 2 d-man, or a couple of #1 draft choices, or a couple of A prospects. Duchene and Ceci don't fit the bill long term and are potential re-signing headaches.

12 Sep 2018 20:31:04
@themostleaf33,
The extra 15 points Duchene brings over Little isn't worth losing a top pairing RHD and replacing him with Cici. This trade makes the Jets worse this year just like the RNH trade below.

12 Sep 2018 22:08:03
Are the Jets that in need of centres?

12 Sep 2018 22:30:36
Delusional the Jets have Scheifele, Little, Lowry, Roslovic Petan, Perreault that are NHL ready and Spacek McKenzie, Harkins and Stallard that are a couple years away. Just because the Jets didn't resign Stastny doesn't mean they are desperate for a center. They didn't sign free agents as they now have a lot of internal depth at every position.

12 Sep 2018 23:09:43
Delusional,
Nope not at all. Duchene would be great, but would be a luxury, not a need. Definitely not worth giving up half of our top pairing for.

05 Sep 2018 10:29:25
Semi realistic karlson trade

Edm: Bouchard,Yamamoto,Strome

Ottawa: Karlson

06 Sep 2018 04:16:24
If Yamamoto and strome show signs of improvement this year think this would be fairly good trade for ottawa.

06 Sep 2018 05:57:40
Yamamoto has played 9 nhl games I’m sure he’s improved haha.

06 Sep 2018 12:28:42
Oh, forgot players don't improve from getting more playing time in the ahl instead of riding the bench in the nhl. That makes a lot of sense now that I think of it.

06 Sep 2018 15:18:13
Cap space? They wouldn't be able to afford him after this year.

06 Sep 2018 18:08:20
No thanks due to ages and contracts.
Sekera or Russell would have to be involved as well.

07 Sep 2018 00:50:34
Shoots are you dumb or are you joking ya lost me man.

08 Sep 2018 03:58:17
Hey mang, I'm stupid not dumb, that word offends me.

05 Sep 2018 01:29:13
to Montreal
Duchene

to Ottawa
Kotkaniemi

Montreal, despite their poor moves and poor season last year, still has a lot of nice pieces. I think they could really rebound with a healthier lineup, and allowing Drouin to play with less pressure.

05 Sep 2018 04:34:13
Think again lol.

05 Sep 2018 06:01:14
Duchene has a year left before he walks. Just because ottawa still owes a 1st rounder (probably top 3) doesn’t mean he’s worth a top C prospect who just went 3rd Overall.

If you have a 2005 Chevy Cavalier and still owe the bank $10,000 on it, doesn’t mean it’s worth $10,000 lol.

09 Sep 2018 19:02:27
Ottawa says no.

03 Sep 2018 17:16:27
At the deadline

DAL: Seguin
WPG: 1st Round Pick 2019, Petan, Nogier

Or

OTT: Duschene
WPG: 1st Round Pick 2019, Comrie

03 Sep 2018 18:47:19
Bruh first of all you’re a homer if you think either of those trades will work and have you heard of salary cap before.

03 Sep 2018 19:03:53
The Jets would do neither trade as signing these two players after this season would be very hard as Winnipeg have Wheeler, Trouba, Connor, Laine, Myers, Tanev and Charoit to re-sign next season. There is only so much money available and both Seguin and Duchene would want way too much $ and that would put the Jets in cap troubles. The Jets trade would be giving up way too much of their future for what would be rental players.

03 Sep 2018 19:47:30
To much of their future for seguin/ duchene. Really are you joking. A late first plus petan who is a bust and nogier who was injured most of last year. Or Comrie who will at most be the backup for the next few years and I'm still not completely sold on him.
Ottawa and Dallas say no.

03 Sep 2018 20:22:13
Islandjet I’m not going to be rude here but jets are literally giving up essentially nothing in either trade and the only “future” is the 1st round pick. If jets could actually acquire either player at this cost and they don't make that trade then I’ll be lost for words. Adding one of those players can improve their cup chances drastically and the fact you wouldn’t make this trade blows my mind.

03 Sep 2018 21:20:15
AJO1 I have to give you props for having the guts to post trade proposals knowing that most likely you won't have anyone think that they are fair trades. Good for you on doing it.

04 Sep 2018 02:41:09
A late first and b-c prospects for top line players and jets say no?! Lol insane.

04 Sep 2018 03:48:58
DUCHENE . its really not that hard to spell .

04 Sep 2018 03:57:54
How does it take guts to post a dumb trade lol.

02 Sep 2018 04:43:59
OTT:
- Duchene

MTL:
- Petry
- '19 1st

02 Sep 2018 14:06:49
Sorry habs aren’t in a position to trade there first as it’s likely a top 10 pick and if Petry is going to be traded it will be for prospects and picks.

02 Sep 2018 16:01:57
Montreal shouldn't trade any first rounders for about 5 years I think.
I think this is going to be the one of the darker periods in Habs history for the next few seasons.

03 Sep 2018 20:11:44
Nope sorry we're keeping our 1st rounders.

30 Aug 2018 13:29:36
NJ: Karlsson (extended)
OTT: Palmieri, Smith, 1st 2019

30 Aug 2018 18:07:16
Ywp. your delusional.

06 Sep 2018 17:00:02
Not a chance.

30 Aug 2018 01:16:39
Dallas : Seguin honka

For

Ottawa : Karlsson smith.

06 Sep 2018 17:00:34
Not bad.

29 Aug 2018 19:15:25
to New Jersey
Karlsson
Ryan

to Ottawa
Zacha
Severson
1st
2nd

I feel that the addition of Ryan will reduce the expected return, but New Jersey is both his home as well as a team that can certainly afford him, as well as EK.

29 Aug 2018 20:48:00
Zacha's a bust.

30 Aug 2018 02:36:39
Would not say Zacha is a bust but he was certainly a reach good future 2 way 2c.

06 Sep 2018 17:03:04
Leave for a month and come back to more trashing Ottawa trades got to love it. it'll take far more than a b prospect a bust and 2 late in their round picks to land the worlds best defenceman si keep dreaming.

29 Aug 2018 17:00:17
to edm: matt duchene and kirk karlsson

to ott: leon draisaitl and oscar klefbom

29 Aug 2018 17:11:54
Duchene and Draisaitl are pretty close, implying Karlsson~Klefbom. Not even close. EDM needs to add.

29 Aug 2018 17:46:24
Don’t think Edmonton would be interested in that Kirk Karlsson guy.

29 Aug 2018 17:47:04
Ah yes, Kirk Karlsson. Erik's lesser known half brother.

29 Aug 2018 18:49:42
Duchene is also not close to Drat imo he's dropped off.

29 Aug 2018 20:31:07
Draisatl definitely has the edge on Duchene. Although he has a big contract, atleast it’s cost certainty because Duchene is up in July. However the gap between them doesn’t close the gap between Klefbom and Karlsson. Oilers add quite a bit.

29 Aug 2018 21:38:59
Draisaitl >> Duchene
Klefbom.

29 Aug 2018 23:53:32
Klefbom.

30 Aug 2018 05:59:29
Lol not going to try again.

 
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