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13 Dec 2018 16:38:22
Senator: Duchene

Mtl:Gallagher, 2rd 2019, Fleury

Ottawa gets a controllable assets(Gallagher)a good pick and a prospect for a UFA. Mtl then signs Duchene to a 7.3 million deal for 8 years. Kinna like Pacioretty type deal with Vegas

11 Dec 2018 00:14:58
Ok let's test this.

Columbus : Jones

Ottawa : dzingle, brown, paul, Ceci, Ottawa's 2020 1st (conditional)

Ottawa gets Chabot a legit partner

Columbus gets a top 6 - 9 NHL forward, A top 4 defence, a high end prospect, a mid range prospect, and a 1st rounder if Ottawa makes it to round 2 of playoffs in 2020 otherwise a 2nd.

11 Dec 2018 01:00:23
no from ottawa.

11 Dec 2018 01:50:20
so pauls useless, and ceci would be columbus’ 5th dman (werenski, murray, savard, nuutivara)

brown is a nice piece, but his ceiling is a 2C, more likely a solid, big checking 3C.

dzingel is a 2nd line, 40point winger on Ottawa, probably a 3rd line rental addition for a playoff team, sure maybe could garner a 1st.

the first isn't even guarranteed so that isn't a game breaker. has to be unconditional to even get the ball rolling.

for jones your talking chabot+ tbh, your not getting a future top5 leaguewide dman and a #1 dman right now, locked up long term.

11 Dec 2018 01:51:16
I don't think CLB is trading Jones anytime soon. Lol. Zero need to trade one of the top young D men in the league for a package. He's too good and important to the team.

11 Dec 2018 02:01:11
So Ottawa gets a possible future Norris trophy winner for a 26 year old 3rd line winger (top 6 on crap teams), a center prospect that is yet to play a game in the nhl and isn’t getting younger, Paul who is no longer a relevant prospect of a prospect at all, a over paid 5-7th defence and a conditional 1st. GTFOH! You can’t possibly think that Columbus would even consider this! To quote BIlly Madison’s high school principal “What you’ve just said is One of the most insanely idiotic things I’ve ever heard. At nompoint in your ramblng incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points and may God have mercy on our souls”.

11 Dec 2018 02:21:32
Clb isn't trading jones and if they did they would be looking for a package with more high end talent.

11 Dec 2018 02:54:58
First of all, not a chance from Columbus.

Second of all Nick Paul was a decent prospect when he was traded for spezza going on 5 years ago. He’s an AHLer now.

11 Dec 2018 03:02:34
1. Ceci sucks
2. Brown is solid, not a high end prospect
3. Paul is a 4th liner
Big no from CBJ.

11 Dec 2018 04:14:22
Quality over quantity especially when the quantity really sucks. Execpt brown.

11 Dec 2018 05:00:41
Ceci is hot garbage, just like your biased posts.

11 Dec 2018 13:19:29
Ok firstly who exactly is nuutavira? Rofl Ceci literally out ranks him by name alone let alone experience and skill. He's top 4 even in Columbus.

Secondly it doesn't matter what I post here because even clear over payments are never enough according to many of you, I could post Ottawa's best 12 players for Jones and you still expect to add 4 1st round picks on top, somehow according to you guys Ottawa could have the top 3 leading scorers in the league and they'd still be worth no more than a 3rd round pick and a late one at that. You people wouldn't know true value of it was waived in you face.

And thirdly this is for top shelf, think about your comment on dzingle for a second, if Foligno can go from 3rd or 4th line in Ottawa when the most we had at that time was the pizza line to being a 1st line winger in Columbus to this day, and dzingle is a much better player on top line role now on a team with more depth then back then there's no doubt he'll be top 6 there especially with panarin leaving. Who exactly is going to out rank him? Wenberg, and who? Kind of need 5 more to make that comment work.

11 Dec 2018 14:17:11
Rambo Dzingel scores at the same rate as Killorn so I’ll just leave it at that, that’s not legit top 6 production on a competitive team. You don’t know who Nuttivara is and we’re supposed to take your opinion on his value and skill seriously? Simply put, any trade for Jones will need a high end, wow player coming back and this package doesn’t have it. You can throw 15 players/ picks in a deal like this who may add up to value, but CLB doesn’t pull the trigger without a premium piece coming back.

11 Dec 2018 15:02:14
Jbs other than wenberg and panarin who won't be there much longer noone else among Columbus forwards out ranks dzingle, Atkinson maybe and the Anderson and Jenner around similar skill set. Foligno just benefits from top line mines which dzingle would do better with.

Nuutavira definitely don't out rank Ceci, not a chance.

Schmoe get real, brown "not a high end prospect" hahaha tell that to any gm in the league they'll think you're a stand up comedian. The guy was slated to go top 5 in his draft year before injuries bumped him down, and his ceiling is 1st line center guaranteed top 6 forward, just needs work on skating ability which is coming along nicely. If that's not a high end prospect then we must be on Mars.

Also dzingle much better than killorn, killorn only looks good from time playing with elite and top end players in Tampa, on a weak team he's a joke, dzingle rarely plays with the better Ottawa guys but rather spearheads a line himself, that speaks for itself.

Paul still a decent prospect that can be a role player in bottom 6 on most team including CBJ.

And the 1st will likely be a 1st as not much leaves Ottawa that they can't replace. Jones a clear upgrade on Ceci and paired with Chabot or Lajoie makes their defense legit instantly, and clearly their offence in fine as is so round 2 shouldn't be too tough unless they hit Tampa in round 1.

11 Dec 2018 15:06:02
And fyi Jones wouldn't get Chabot straight up let alone adding to Ottawa side. Sure he's better defensively but Chabot got a bigger edge offencivly and he's younger with a bigger ceiling. Was also endorsed by Ek who said he was much better than he was at that age over last 2 years running. Again classic example of under value on sens players.

11 Dec 2018 17:50:28
You know Killorn plays with Cirelli and Joseph and has never played more than maybe a handful of games with guys like Stamkos and Kucherov right? He plays 3rd line minutes with 3rd line players. Also Just so you know this year Foligno has about 20 seconds a game more ice time Dzingel. Dzingel has 4 more points than Killorn with an extra 2 min a game. Killorn is the same kind of player as Dzingel, 3rd line on a good team second line on a bad team and they’ve put up similar production in their careers. There isn’t a huge difference between them where one is garbage and the other is a top 6 up and comer. As for who is over Dzingel on CLB the answer is Wennberg Panarin Foligno Atkinson Jenner Dubois there’s 6.

11 Dec 2018 18:33:07
I've seen killorn with Stamkos and kucherov, or Johnson and Palat more often than not which is where he get most his points from, dzingle has better hands, is a better skater, got a better shot, and frankly is a much better player.

Majority of dzingle minutes are with pageau and Pyatt or in this year's case teirney and Ryan and or smith and paajarvi on third line but still keeping up with top lines and getting powerplay time.

You just don't like giving sens players the credit they obviously deserve and would rather talk smack about them because of situations that have nothing to do with their skill and base their value off that garbage instead of the talent they show on ice.

It's been said around the league for years that Ottawa is among a small group of teams with the deepest depth chart among prospects in the league yet somehow a team with garbage in the system has better prospects according to you guys who are somehow worth more?

Chabot, tkechuck, brown, white, Batherson, formenton, chlapic, AHL, Gustafson, balcers, Norris, Bernard-docker, tychonick are all solid high level kids and most if not all of them have dominated their respective leagues before NHL. Chlapic and formenton need to add size and brown needs more speed or they'd be on main roster now.

On to of them there's the group that could still suprise everyone like Hoffman did, or more recently lajoie did, and that's luchuck, gagne, Paul, wolanen, etc.

On top of that 5 of those mentioned have been playing top end minutes for most of this season and not looking out of place.

White 2 among rookies
Tkechuck 3 among rookies
Chabot 1/ 2 among defence
Batherson roughly a point a game
Lajoie 4 rookie defencemen behind only dahlin heiskenen and jomiharjubu or what ever Detroit guy name is

Not a coincidence they are that good as will the other ones I mentioned be.

11 Dec 2018 18:57:00
Killorn literally hasn’t played a shift with Stamkos/ Kucherov all year. I’ll reiterate again I’m a Tampa fan. I watch the games. Killorn isn't player with superstars. I agree Killorn will get shifts with better players, but Killorn and Dzingel fall in the same bucket even if Dzingel is slightly better. That’s what I’m trying to get you to realize, Dzingel isn’t some huge value asset, he’s a serviceable player but he’s nothing special.

11 Dec 2018 20:26:00
How is it that everyone on the site disagrees with Rambo, yet we’re the problem?

11 Dec 2018 20:56:43
It's always a good time when the loudest person in the room is also the most clueless. Save your energy; no matter how many times Rambo embarrasses himself being flat out wrong and out to lunch he won't get it. Just sit back and enjoy the laughs.

11 Dec 2018 21:16:33
Wtf? Jones wouldn't get chabot straight up? That's probably the most insane thing I've read on this site, Rambo must be writing in a angry rage to write that kind of craziness.

12 Dec 2018 15:06:23
Shootsmcgee, Jones is 26 years old in the prime of his career and currently getting out played by Chabot who is 19 years old and not even close to his prime yet so yeah I absolutely stand by that statement. The whole premice of this proposal is to get a solid 1st line defensive partner for Chabot without moving you best 3-4 guys or killing the rebuild they've started.

Brown will be a top 6 forward guaranteed possible 1st line center, only reason he's in minors is they have him working on his speed.

Dzingle is twice the player killorn is jbs that's a fact, before Kuch even joined Stammers line he had killorn always with him while Kuch was on triplet line with Palat and johnson, and killorn still plays more than enough time with that line when they juggle point to Johnson's line and so on.

10 Dec 2018 00:44:55
Mtl: Gallagher, Petry (1 million retain)

Ottawa: Dzingle, Lajoie, Brown

10 Dec 2018 01:12:13
take out lajoie maybe.

10 Dec 2018 04:30:24
Nice return for mtl but i would cry if gallagher would leave the team.

10 Dec 2018 18:36:05
With mtl retaining and Ottawa getting the two best players in the trade atm I don't see why Ottawa take out Lajoie.

11 Dec 2018 00:13:56
Good god no by Ottawa Gallagher is good but not worth all that plus taking on Petry contract lol replace brown and Lajoie with ceci and Paul and it more like a fair deal.

Gallagher is a net front presence sure but his best years aren't far off from what dzingles are and Petry I'm not sold on anyway so this is all I see him worth maybey add an decent but not amazing prospect like gagne to seal deal but that's it.

09 Dec 2018 18:16:54
Im only proposing this trade because of a trade proposal made by rambo.

Mtl- drouin

Ottawa- dzingle and chlapik

Now i think montreal refuses easily but i'm a montreal fan so maybe i'm a bit bias.

What the thoughs on this trade?

09 Dec 2018 19:37:14
You really didn’t have to make this post.

09 Dec 2018 23:49:40
You were right, Montreal does refuse easily.

10 Dec 2018 00:45:42
No from mtl.

10 Dec 2018 00:48:45
I was thinking the same thing after reading Rambos delusional proposal. Big no from Mtl tho.

10 Dec 2018 15:51:46
Doesn't make sense for MTL. Drouin is on a 70+ point pace and has incredible chemistry with Domi. If the sens want to pry him away from the Habs, they'll need to add on that offer

08 Dec 2018 21:31:16
Ok here's one for you guys

Ottawa needs defence, Tampa could use help getting Stamkos going, not that he's doing bad but not like he was last year.

Ottawa : dzingle, chlapic

Tampa : sergachev, 2nd (Tampa 2nd is basically a 3rd)

Gives Tampa an affordable top 6 forward with a ton of speed, and a solid prospect forward with top 6 potential

Gives Ottawa an extra pick in mid rounds, and a quality young defenceman, who can slip in nicely with either Chabot or Lajoie in top 4.

08 Dec 2018 22:28:40
Sergachev is worth more than that. He’s not having the greatest year but he’s still young, no where near his ceiling yet. Tampa says no.

08 Dec 2018 23:11:57
Tampa has a logjam at forward, they need the D more. Sergachev is more valuable to that package imo, especially for Tampa who has few good D prospects and a cap crunch coming. Tampa’s loaded at forward both in the NHL and prospect system just don’t see them making that kind of move.

08 Dec 2018 23:35:28
Holy lmao. That is so one sided for Ottawa I can’t even. lmao.

09 Dec 2018 04:33:52
Stamkos is good enough to get his own offense going. Jus had 4 points. he's fine.

09 Dec 2018 07:24:53
Rambone! My brother. This is one sided toward the Sens and you know it. Tampa has no reason to agree to this man. Come on now.

09 Dec 2018 14:42:13
How is this one sided for Ottawa, vertius?

Tampa pick has very little value, sergachev had one solid season in his rookie year and has dropped the ball so far this year just like expected. Still got solid upside of potential but not likely to duplicate last season performance.

While dzingle is a top 6 quality speedy and proven forward averaging roughly 0.55 points per game throughout his career on a team that till now had half the kind of fire power to work with that Tampa does, on top of that he continues to improve and don't cost an arm and a leg salary wise and is arguably top 3 fastest skaters in the game behind McDavid and maybe MacKinnon.

Chlapic is also a solid top 6 potential prospect with tons of upside and a back for finding the back of the net.

This undervaluing sens players / over valuing other teams players is getting kindve old and worn out.

09 Dec 2018 14:43:44
Oh and jbs32, Tampa is actually more loaded on defense than forward, they just don't get the credit they deserve.

Coburn as the 6th dman beside sergachev right now, 3 and 4 being McDonagh and Girardi who were 1 and 2 respectively in new York for years, and Hedman and stralman rounding out top 6 defence

Plus buljus and sustr and DeAngelo in the system

I think they can afford to move sergachev to bolster offence even more and add to the system for when they have a hard time signing everyone and can afford to let them go.

With up coming kucherov, sergachev, point, and guorde contracts due for big raises soon to name a few, it's not likely all will be sticking round why not replenish so your ready for it?

09 Dec 2018 15:32:45
Tbh Sergachev is a stud for his age, if he’d still be at Mtl he would have been 1st pair. Young highly skilled dman don’t come out of your backyard. Sergachev is a future elite dman so you might as well propose and future elite forward like Batherson. Cheap compensation is not going to be enough. The guys you proposed are the kind of guys that can be easily replaced by free agency.

09 Dec 2018 16:24:34
So Rambo can I ask how often you follow other teams?
Because Tampa has none of those players you mentioned for them they only have 1 good D prospect outside the NHL and that is Foote.

09 Dec 2018 18:12:10
I though this trade proposal was a joke at first. Chlapic is a seconde round pic from 2015 that still isn't proven to be nhl player ready. I wouldn't call that an nhl propect with a big upside. He playes 20 games last year and went got 1g 3a +/ - -5
The senator haven't even recalled him this season yet. I think that says something no?

Dzingle is a good player that could help any team for sure as a top 9 and can help top 6 when they're injuries.

Just seeing that you asked for sergachev a future elite defenceman that was drafted top 10 in 2016 and I would say that has surpassed expectations. After that you go and add a seconde round pic.


Chlapic would be equal value to tampas 2nd round pic


09 Dec 2018 18:23:12
It looks like my comment was cut half way through but basiclly
Sergachev is way better then dzingle and tp wouldn't trade him for a forward after giving a forward a bit over 1 year ago to get him.
The trade doesn't make much sense and the value is way off.

09 Dec 2018 23:52:06
No rambone, you have always over valued Sens players and your trades are always very good for the Sens. Understandable, when you make a trade you want it to be a win, but your proposals are massive wins for your team not just close calls. Sens have good players, no ones saying they aren't good players.

10 Dec 2018 00:45:09
Rambo I’m a Tampa fan. I know their team and system. Girardi isn’t good. Coburn has been good this year but is playing much better than past few years. They have insane forward depth in NHL and minors but as was mentioned earlier Foote only good D prospect outside of NHL. Sustr hasn’t been a prospect in 5 years sucks and is in Anaheim.

Blujus moved on a few years ago. DeAngelo is on his 2nd team since leaving Tampa. Kucherov and Gourde already have their contracts signed. There are other forwards they will move for cap reasons before Sergachev, who they don’t need to worry about until after next season anyway. 0.55 ppg is respectable but more 3rd line or middle 6. Dzingel isn’t the third fastest player in the league, he might not be the 3rd fastest player on Tampa.

10 Dec 2018 00:44:15
Is that right chlapic is NHL ready it's just because Ottawa has too many over paid guys that they don't want on 4th line and because of hlapic skill they kept him in minors so he could get ice time he deserves rather than waste away on the 4th line. Successful development teams do that all the time look at Detroit with guys like Zetterberg and Datsyuk or Vancouver with the Sedin boys and how they turned out.

Chlapic not going to bump Duchene, stone, Batherson, tkechuck, dzingle, or white at this point and they won't throw teirney, boadker, or Ryan on 4th line so why waste his talent?

Arguably he and balcers should have been called up instead of McCormick and Paul to fill in for Ryan and Duchene but sens management never been smart.

10 Dec 2018 00:47:54
Ctc55 did they trade those players over the weekend and not report it. I literally just double checked their roster before typing this response and they absolutely have every player I mentioned.

Forwards mentioned : brayden point, yanne guorde, Nikita kucherov

Defence mentioned : Victor Hedman, Anton stralman, Ryan McDonagh, Dan Girardi, Braden couburn, mikkail sergachev, Andre sustr, Anthony DeAngelo, and Dylan buljus

Defence I didn't mention that they also have in system with potential is your boy Foote and Slater koakkoak

Might want to do your homework and look it up before you try make me look foolish lol just sayin.

10 Dec 2018 00:40:22
Is that right also note this, by your logic in stating that chlapic worth no more than Tampa's 2nd because of the fact he was drafted in the 2nd you're basically saying a players trade value stays the same as the day they are drafted and never increases.

Also by that logic you're basically saying that a player like chlapic would be worth more than a guys like stone or even Datsyuk or Zetterberg based on the fact he was drafted in an earlier round than they were.

That being said chlapic was draft mid 2nd not late 2nd and his value has increased since then and will continue to do so.

Just because he's currently not on the main roster don't mean he's not a high end prospect. Look at Logan brown for example ranked 3rd among Ottawa's top prospects behind only Chabot and tkechuck, and ahead of the likes of white, Batherson, formenton, chlapic, Gustafson, AHL, gagne, luchuck, Norris, balcers, tychonick, and Bernard docker, all of which are solid prospects that prove Ottawa has a much deeper prospects pool than most teams.
Also note that brown ranked higher that white who is currently number 2 rookie in league yet brown in minors. Does that make his value less?

10 Dec 2018 02:38:28
Oh look a garbage for gold proposal completely biased in the Sens favour from Rambo.

In other news, water is wet.

You would think with all these amazing super valuable players the Sens apparently have they would suck less.

10 Dec 2018 03:51:37
I looked at chlapik stats and they do not show that he is a promising propect so yeah i don't think he's worth more then a seconde. I also don't know how you brought up zeterberg and datsyuk into this obviously some guys are drafted late in a draft and become stars but that just not the case for chlapik. Panari wasnt drafted i don't think that chlapik better then him for it.

10 Dec 2018 05:38:05
Where do you ‘double check that roster’? Because Tampa traded deangelo to Arizona at the 2016 draft and he was traded to rangers for Raanta and stepan in 2017. Also suster was a free agent signing of the ducks in the offseason.

10 Dec 2018 12:54:11
Rambo there is really no point in telling you stuff anymore because you never listen. DeAngelo is on the Rangers, Sustr is on Anaheim’s farm team after going through waivers and buljus is on Vancouver's farm team. Please listen and don’t think everyone is out to get you. Look at the site most proposals get turned down but people edit and listen to the comments about it (usually) and improve on them.

06 Dec 2018 23:07:46
LW - Loui Eriksson $6.00
RW/C - Sam Gagner $3.15
G - Anders Nilsson $2.50

RW - Bobby Ryan $7.25
G - Mike Condon $2.40
LW - Nick Paul $0.650

07 Dec 2018 02:23:51
Why tho.

07 Dec 2018 05:16:54
Loui Eriksson isn’t working out in Vancouver and likewise for Bobby Ryan in Ottawa. Loui eriksson has a back diving contract, Ryan doesn’t so I could see Ottawa taking a chance on Eriksson. Even if he doesn’t work out he will be half the salary than Bobby Ryan. Benning is looking to move Gagner out, When Gagner gets sent to the AHL he is loaned to Toronto marlies to be closer to his family. So either playing in Ottawa or Belleville it is much closer than Vancouver.

07 Dec 2018 17:21:09
Didn't know le was still playing.

08 Dec 2018 13:08:39
1st off 6 million isn't half of 7.25 million lol

2nd Ryan has done more for Ottawa that Erickson has done for Vancouver, and Ryan has been off and on for years while Erikson hasn't looked good since his 1st year or 2 in Boston, I think I speak for most sens fans when I say I'd rather keep Ryan than take on more salary like in this deal when the players involved aren't worth mentioning, why take on an extra 2 million in unwanted salary? All that does is make it tougher to move more players.

03 Dec 2018 17:04:01
sens: mark stone and matt duchene if they resign with oil

oilers: rnh, jesse puljujarvi and lucic

i think both stone and duchene don't want to b in ottawa and don't think they will resign with them and i'm only putting in lucic to even out money going both ways

03 Dec 2018 18:22:29
Cableguy, and every other delusional Oiler fans

Lucic is not going to be traded, No team wants to take on his dead salary.

Thats all i have to say about that.

03 Dec 2018 18:52:56
Puljujärvi is the asset needed to dump Lucic. Now you want Stone and Duchene resigned extensions for RNH? He’s good, but. Oh those players are each better than him lol.

03 Dec 2018 19:52:38
Jesse doesn't hold the value he once did. He is good in Hal but can't translate to mil. He is still young but not looking goid.

03 Dec 2018 21:52:11
Ottawa already has at least one boat anchor contract in Bobby Ryan. I’m not so sure they will be wanting Lucic as well. I mean, anything is possible. But I have a hard time seeing them wanting to absorb Lucic just so they can get RNH and hope Puljujärvi turns it around.

03 Dec 2018 22:44:29
Does leagues dint exist Colt/ redwing but I agree.

04 Dec 2018 04:18:52
Where’s Rambo?

04 Dec 2018 12:40:22
Rambo is having a stroke somewhere after reading this one lol.

04 Dec 2018 16:14:24
i know u guys don't think its worth it bt remember matt and mark probley won't sign with them so do they let them just go to free agent or do they get something in return and i think rnh and pul would b good for them and mayb oil throws in a 2nd or 3rd pick to get lucic off the roster.

05 Dec 2018 03:20:26
You pretty much have to use a first to get rid of this contract.

05 Dec 2018 18:49:18
For once your right Jim I thought your offers were bad then this garbage comes along lol.

Ottawa would never do this with or without Lucic, people always say Ryan has negative value even though he can still perform, and you think Ottawa would want a useless liability on a worst contract in Lucic? Get real.

And fyi both Duchene and stone are concerned to be in contract negotiations currently with ottawa. If they didn't want to be there they wouldn't say they do want to be there let along get involved with contract negotiations, that much is common sense.

Give that myth of players not wanting to be in Ottawa a rest, its old and worn out. Get a new approach.

29 Nov 2018 23:14:40
Ottawa desperately needs a solid shut down guy on Blueline with experience to calm the kids down a bit but still young enough to fit the rebuild.

Florida is struggling, Columbus going to have some problems when panarin leaves so.

CBJ : Seth Jones

Ott : white, chlapic, Ceci, and the 1st rounder from Karlsson trade that they are guaranteed


FLA : Aaron ekblad

Ott : white, Bernard-docker, Ceci, and the 1st from Karlsson trade

Both offers see a top 2 defence downgraded to a top 4 defence in order to add youth and offence of two solid prospects as well as a 1st rounder that is not lottery protected. Also note that both rookies in ekblad deal were also 1st rounders and both considered high end prospects in both deals.

Either of those 2 guys are old enough to bring leadership and experience while young enough to fit the rebuild.

Chabot and ekblad or Jones would also be a step up from the Karlsson Methot tandem that brought them success for years.

30 Nov 2018 01:03:32
Your kidding? Jones is 100% going nowhere. and. neither is Ekblad.

30 Nov 2018 03:30:54
That jones one is laughable. Jones will sign a jersey and send it to Dorian fornthsy package if he wants, but that’s about it. So brutal for CBJ lol.

30 Nov 2018 07:23:05
See what I mean?

Ones on a struggling team the other on a team that is guaranteed to lose its top player yet somehow a package involving a guaranteed 1st round non lottery protected pick, not one but 2 high end prospects (one of which currently in Calder race), and a top 4 defenseman isn't close to enough?

But yet offers a thousand times worst you guys post to get sens players like Duchene are somehow fair value?

You need your heads checked seriously, any other team makes a similar offer you'd be jumping for joy agreeing with it especially if it was Ottawa moving one of those too.

Disagree? I got proof, his name is Erik Karlsson.

30 Nov 2018 11:34:18
Nah, your proof is that Ottawa is an incompotent s***show that doesn't know what EK is worth. We all kmew EK was going to go below market value and get the return he did because Ottawas so damn incomptent and would trade him for pennies oj the dollar. that's why wed laugh when you proposed Point+Serg+1st+Radysh+whatever, Ottawa had no leverage, they sure as hell weren’t getting that.

Jones is one of the best dmen in the league, and basically its White and a last first for him. Jones is on a solid contract that isn't expiring, why would columbus even consider this.

Same with the Ekblad one. Maybe Ekblad makes more, but its still not enough for Ek imo.

30 Nov 2018 12:24:44
There's a massive difference between a 28 war old - one more year to UFA - rumoured to wanting a massive pay day D man to a young 20s solid D man under a great contract for many years to come. I'd rather Seth Jones all day over EK right now, and it's a no brainer. Why would CLB want a package of prospects and picks for one of the best young D in the game? They wouldn't.
That package get you laughed at and you know it. You're always so insanely biased to the Sens bud.

30 Nov 2018 14:52:30
If you want Jones on Ottawa it starts with Chabot and Tkachuk.

30 Nov 2018 16:43:03
Yupp and VB are both right on this one and on the same page. Something weird is happening 😟 😟.

30 Nov 2018 19:08:13
First off vbb not a chance either of those guys would get both Chabot and tkechuck in the real world.

2nd off the point of getting them is to help Chabot tkechuck stone and Duchene make a faster rebuild so they wouldn't be involved anyway.

30 Nov 2018 19:24:21
As for yupp, the package involved a top 4 defence replacement, 2 high end prospects one who is currently fighting in the Calder race, and again a "non protected" 1st round pick whether it be this year's or next year's due to stipulation, either way it's the better pick of the 2.

Either a top half part of the league pick this year if Sharks miss playoffs or if they get in it becomes next year's pick, again go look at the trade yourself if you're skeptical.

If it does become next year's that's even better because EK has yet to sign with Sharks, Thornton likely will retire or if he doesn't will be too old to make any kind of difference as he's already slowing down, and they already moved Demers demelo and teirney, 3 of their more reliable defensive players.

Add that to what will be a frustrated Evander Kane which never turns out well, and an aging Vlasic.

I mean call me crazy, burns is good but even he can't carry that load himself.

In other words the trade is essentially a top 4 defence, 2 high end prospects, and an expected high end pick possible lottery, which is more than enough for 1 elite defence with no other assets.

Chlapic in Jones deal is to help make up scoring that panarin will leave a hole for as chlapic a goal scorer, where as Florida don't share that issue and would likely prefer docker to help boost future defence, either way both are respected high end prospects, something Ottawa clearly has an abundance of with formenton Gustafson and Brown Among others still waiting to crack the lineup.

30 Nov 2018 23:51:30
So what you just said was “bringing jones in is to help stone Duchene tkachuk and Chabot” so you expect a team to give you their best player without you giving up one of your best 4-5 players/ prospects? Lol who do you think keikalainan is? Pierre Dorian? (Reference Karlsson Trade) . Come on.

01 Dec 2018 04:08:39
What exactly do you think white is? Or the San Jose non protected 1st?

And chlapic ain't exactly a slouch by any means, he's an NHL ready future top 6 forward.

This just shows how you undervalue and underestimate sens players.

White especially might not be tkechuck but he's still extremely valuable in his own right.

And the Ceci might not be what those 2 guys are but he can still fill a top 4 role.

A similar offer from a different team and I'd guarantee you be in full support mode praising the offer.

White already top 6 quality, chlapic will get there, Ceci already top 4 and docker will get there, add the San Jose pick the value is there and you know it.

01 Dec 2018 05:36:57
Well you only have docker in the Ekblad proposal and I never said that one wouldn’t work. Jones is better than Ekblad, less injury problems and locked up long term for over $2 mill less than him. The difference in the 2 players value is not only chlapik instead of docker lol.

01 Dec 2018 15:09:12
nobiasrambo, you lost all credibility when you said white is extremely valuable.

in the real nhl, you don't get riches for rags, unless you're the gm of edmonton, ottawa, who give away riches for rags constantly.

01 Dec 2018 18:42:41
Ovies hero if you don't think white is extremely valuable you should stop watching hockey all together because you clearly don't know what your talking about.

Last season whites value was on par with Chabot during Duchene talks and while Chabot value increased dramatically whites stayed pretty darn close with him.

White is currently tied with tkechuck for 2nd place among all rookies this season so far, tkechuck did it even with weeks off with an injury but it's not like white was any less impressive how he got there considering he hasn't been on 1 line long yet and keeps bouncing between all of the top 3 lines.

So to be where he is, absolutely that's extremely impressive and anyone who says otherswise better clead the dirt out of your head.

01 Dec 2018 18:53:30
Unbiased Jim ok ok I personally think ekblad better that Jones not by much but everybody has their oppinion so I can respect yours on that matter.

But it seems like you're putting a major gap in value between chlapic and Bernard docker? Chlapic value is Fairly close to what dockers is with the age advantage slightly in dockers favour. They are also very different types of players with docker being the in your face shut down defence man, and chlapic being the skilled goal scorer.

The reason I put chlapic in the Columbus deal instead of docker is because of the impending loss of panarin. Chlapic has the ability to grow into that type of role and be a sort of poor man's panarin. On top of that, Columbus still has werenski among others on blue line so up front help needed more where Florida is the opposite, adding white gives them more than enough front end depth but docker helps their Blueline grow better.

03 Dec 2018 12:54:23
If Columbus loses their best players, they will need the young guys to build around in Jones and Werenski. I think those guys are pretty much untouchable right now. I'm not saying that your proposal is majorly biased or anything, i just think that your opinion of those assets is incorrect.
I'll give you points for not mentioning Nylander though.

05 Dec 2018 19:03:31
Thunder turkey that's just it though, panarin already stated he won't play in cumbus next year and been saying how much he wants to go back to Chicago so because of that they likely won't get much for him other than a weak rental price as Chicago not likely to be in playoffs and won't need to go for him this year as they can just wait till free agency and poach him then for nothing.

That leaves a massive hole offensively that will need to be filled.

Columbus has a loaded defence core in savard, werenski, Jones, and Murray.

Downgrading 1 of those guys (obviously Jones would be the guy Ottawa would want at a price like this) to ceci who is still top 4 quality and would be protected better in Columbus in order to add 2 solid offensive prospects in white and chlapic plus add what has potential to be a lottery pick this or next year would be a good trade off for Columbus no matter what and if it gives them a solid crack at Hughes or Lafreniere then it becomes a win for them as well.

And even if they win either lottery with that pick it's still a trade loss Ottawa can live with as it gets the experienced shut down guy who can also score and completely compliment chabot on sens top pairing. Basically a win for both sides.

28 Nov 2018 20:27:49
Chicago: anisimov
Washington: 3rd round pick

Chicago: Seabrook (25% Retained)
ottawa: Wolanin or Gagne

Chicago: Crawford + 2020 2nd
Buffalo: Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen.

28 Nov 2018 20:54:26
Washington absolutely cannot afford the Anisimov trade without losing salary.

Ottawa re-building seems like a strange destination to send an aging and deteriorating Seabrook.

Buffalo already has 32 year old Hutton. They may be looking to replace him, but not with Crawford, who would make for very expensive backup, or 1b tandem.

28 Nov 2018 22:22:33
what would you suggest for alternate destinations for anisimov and seabrook then? and i think the buffalo deal is fair, maybe send back hutton for another piece as well?

28 Nov 2018 23:19:57
Think anisimov would be a good fit in Washington, but ya, they only projected have a few hundred thousand dollars at the deadline. Always thought Edmonton would be a good spot Seabrook. But that would probably mean probably 50% retention. he's worth more than 3.5mil now but not when he's 38-39-40, he's already lost a step so its going to be ugly in a few years, never mind 5-6 years.

29 Nov 2018 00:50:39
Hutton and Ullmark are a huge reason for Buffalo success right now. Not a chance they trade one right now.

29 Nov 2018 02:35:47
Seabrook is untradable unless it’s for Lucic.

29 Nov 2018 03:57:24
Anisimov to New Jersey Devils for 3rd round pick; salary Dump and devils have cap room.

29 Nov 2018 04:45:33
Forget the untradable Seabrook for now and consider Duncan Keith while there is a chance to move him.

27 Nov 2018 10:51:28
Calgary Flames:
• (C) Mark Jankowski (1,675,000 x 2YR)
• (C) Dillon Dubé (778,333 x 3YR)
• (G) Tyler Parsons (759,167 x 2YR)
• (2019) First Round Pick
St Louis Blues:
• (RW) Vladimir Tarasenko (7,500,000 x 5YR)

Calgary Flames:
• (LHD) TJ Brodie (4,650,400 x 2YR)
• (2019) Second Round Pick
Toronto Maple Leafs:
• (C) William Nylander (unsigned gaudreau comparable contract)

Calgary Flames:
• (RW) Michael Frolík (4,300,000 x 2YR)
Arizona Coyotes:
• (2019) Fourth Round Pick

Calgary Flames:
• (RHD) Michael Stone (3,500,000 x 2YR)
Ottawa Senators:
• (2019) Third Round Pick

Calgary Flames Projected Lines:

Johnny Gaudreau - Sean Monahan - Vladimir Tarasenko
Matthew Tkachuk - William Nylander - Elias Lindholm
Sam Bennett - Mikael Backlund - James Neal
Austin Czarnik - Derek Ryan - Garnet Hathaway

Mark Giordano - Travis Hamonic
Noah Hanifin - Rasmus Andersson
Juuso Välimäki - Oliver Kylington

27 Nov 2018 15:21:08
So 3 sheet pieces of poo and a 1st for tarasenko.

That's a solid no try your first and ktchuck+.

27 Nov 2018 17:08:41
An aging LHD with only two years left on his contract for eight years of Nylander? Not sure if I’m seeing the value there.

27 Nov 2018 20:00:36

27 Nov 2018 21:04:00
Takchuk alone would be too much for Tarasenko based on age and the fact that Tarasenko is a little overpaid for a 60 point player.

28 Nov 2018 01:08:24
40 goal scorer. Lol your a joke.

28 Nov 2018 12:42:23
Why would nylander sign for a couple mil less in Calgary then he's asking from Toronto? Holy snikies some people over rate what nylander will get in return on this site.

24 Nov 2018 20:22:11
RW - Bobby Ryan $7.25
G - Mike Condon $2.40
C - Filip Chlapik $0.728

G - Cory Schneider $6.00
D - Ben Lovejoy $2.67
LW - Eric Tangradi $0.650

24 Nov 2018 22:43:32
Not a chance from (New Jersey) not carolina

23 Nov 2018 23:50:55
Taresenko on the block huh. Ottawa could right an old wrong from years ago when they traded that pick to get rundblad.

Ott: white, Ceci, chlapic, and a top 10 protected 1st rounder

STL: taresenko

White is currently proving to be a beast anywhere in the line up as he's currently number 2 in Calder race behind only Elias Petterson, chlapic is more than NHL ready and could be a top 6er himself if things go well, Ceci could easily get back to the style and flare that brought him to the dance in the 1st place with all the shut down guys STL has in line up Ceci could get back to his offensive flare he once had before he was forced to change his style, naturally they'd get a 1st as well but given the rest of the prices involved that 1st don't have to be a lotto pick and don't have to be this or next season either. Could be 2020 pick.

Obviously Ottawa would add one of the current best in the game, someone they passed up on years ago. wouldn't necessarily Gault the rebuild either as teresenko not exactly old.

Batherson Duchene teresenko
Tkechuck teirney stone
Boadker smith Ryan
Pajarvii McCormick pyatt

Next year smith and pajarvii get replaced by brown and formenton.

24 Nov 2018 00:08:14
lol, that doesn't get tarasenko. whites good, the rest is meh and if that pick is protected its basically just a mid first, which you can pluck for a solid rental, not an elite guy like tarasenko. tarasenko ain't going to ottawa, don't even think about it, lol.

24 Nov 2018 07:37:06
Queue the “you guys are biased against muh sens whaaambulance”.

24 Nov 2018 00:49:21
Colt . . Is Tarasenko on the block? Lol.

24 Nov 2018 10:28:11
no way from ottawa. being a rebuilding team i doubt they'd trade the younger pieces like that, even if they are getting a player like senko unless they think they can speed up the process and be a playoff team/ cup contender quickly similar to what toronto did. but even then toronto exceeded expectations when they made playoffs during rebuild and their players excelled. as much as i hate it, ottawa will be rebuilding for a few years.

24 Nov 2018 12:19:06
Lol not look a crazy lopsided Sens trade from Rambo. When you went hiding after the EK trade, didn't ya think about coming back less crazy biased?

24 Nov 2018 15:12:04
Dont think white is 2nd in the Calder race, barely in second in rookie scoring and like 4 rookie defenceman within 2 points which I'd guess would put them ahead of white.

24 Nov 2018 14:58:05
Fyi senko is not on the block.

25 Nov 2018 19:09:28
As for pk88. Duchene is on verge of resigning in Ottawa and stone would likely be right there with him, with formenton and Brown on their way up next year as well as possibly balcers and Norris and maybe bernard-docker fighting for a spot Ottawa will need the roster space to accommodate those guys. On top of that teresenko may be a veteran but he's still only what 27-28 and would add a ton of scoring edge and puck control to the team. He and boadker with Duchene with the speed they'd have could wear out the opposing teams by making them chase, then tkechuck brown and stone could where them down by controlling the puck, and the third lined which would feature Batherson formenton and teirney would be fresh enough to do some damage, smith and company would be shut down unit.

26 Nov 2018 10:32:23
Fyi red wing tsn reported senko is on block and that st. Louis is unhappy with him at the moment, think I'll take their word over yours sincerely they make a living accuiring this info and you don't.

And yupp explain how it's lop sided? I get that senko is a star and all but stars get traded for less every day, look at Kessel to Pittsburgh deal, Seguin to Dallas, heck even spezza to Dallas.

White is the top 2 rookie I said he was and he's achieving that flopping between 1st, 2nd, and 3rd line, imagine if the guy was left on a line to actually build some chemistry shootsmcgee, as for chlapic, he's a solid prospect with a scoring touch that can easily reach a level where he challenges for top 6 minutes and is a shoe in for top 9 minutes now as he is NHL ready. And Ceci despite what people think of him is still top 4 defenseman on most teams blue line and is still young enough to get back his offensive edge he had that got him to the NHL before Ottawa tried changing him to a defensive defenceman. Not it's obvious st. Louis would prob want a 1st as well but in no way with everything else involved would it have to be lottery pick so naturally it'd be top 10 protected, fact is it's still a 1st.

23 Nov 2018 12:05:11
Edm: Puljuajrvi, Bear, Yamaoto

Ott: Stone@7.2million for 8 years

23 Nov 2018 12:25:44
Why don't they just sign him as a UFA and not give away three young pieces?

23 Nov 2018 13:38:02
Maybe make another deal where they make room to actually make this realistic? What's the plan on how they fit Stones contract in Boom? Money has to go out. I can see them trying to make some moves to move lonely out to bring Stone in, But in the off season when that's a little easier and then just sign Stone as a UFA.

23 Nov 2018 23:48:47
Edm needs a star up front they can make another trade to get rid of cap I'm not going to figure it all put for them legros.

22 Nov 2018 16:46:03
Chicago Blackhawks -
• (LW) Brandon Saad
• (D) Connor Murphy

Ottawa Senators -
• (D) Cody Ceci
• (C) Matt Duchene

Edmonton Oilers -
• (RW) Jesse Puljujärvi
• (D) Ethan Bear
• (2019) First Round Pick


Oilers - Brandon Saad, Cody Ceci
Sens - Connor Murphy, First Round Pick
Hawks - Ethan Bear, Jesse Puljujärvi, Matt Duchene

Just trying out a few 3 ways

22 Nov 2018 18:17:55
No from Ottawa for sure.


I'm assuming that Edmonton would get better from this trade and the 1st wouldn't be a lottery pick.

22 Nov 2018 18:55:26
Billy you're really off all the time cap wise. This can't happen on the Oilers side with that much $ coming in and not much going out.
I don't think they would consider those young assets for those two players anyways.
I really like the idea of bringing in Duchene. He would be a good fit with Drai or McDavid IMO. Ty and make room in the off season to sign him as a ufa. Having a great season so far. 5th in points? He's going to get paid nicely by someone. Stone, Panarin, Skinner also UFAs having great starts.

23 Nov 2018 08:22:16
You're a Hawks fan, eh?

23 Nov 2018 12:04:19
from a blackhawks perspective, hell yeah we'll take it
from ottawa perspective, would probably be able to get more for duchene elsewhere let lone duchene and ceci.
from edmonton perspective, saad would look good next to mcdavid but i don't think ceci is the defenseman they need as much as i like him.

23 Nov 2018 12:29:14
Triplets that’s what I was thinking. To me it looks like both Ottawa and Edmonton get screwed hard.

23 Nov 2018 23:44:35
Ottawa would laugh in your face.

Fyi Ottawa and Duchene have been talking a new contract for the last 2 weeks, he's staying put, while Ceci is on block.

22 Nov 2018 10:39:45
Toronto Maple Leafs:
• (C) William Nylander
• (D) Jake Gardiner

Edmonton Oilers:
• (RW) Jesse Puljujärvi
• (D) Ethan Bear
• (2019) First Round Pick

Ottawa Senators:
• (C) Matt Duchene
• (D) Cody Ceci
• (2019) Second Round Pick

Toronto Receives - (D) Ethan Bear, (D) Cody Ceci & (2019) Second Round Pick

Ottawa Receives - (2019) First Round Pick, Jesse Puljujärvi & (D) Jake Gardiner

Edmonton Receives - (C) William Nylander & (C) Matt Duchene

Edmonton Oilers Projected Lines:

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins - Connor McDavid - William Nylander
Milan Lucic - Leon Draisaitl - Alex Chaisson
Ryan Spooner - Matt Duchene - Drake Cagguila
Jujhar Khaira - Kyle Brodziak - Zack Kassian

Oscar Klefbom - Adam Larsson
Darnell Nurse - Kris Russell
Kevin Gravel - Matt Benning

Injured Reserve - Tobias Rieder * Andrej Sekera *

22 Nov 2018 11:48:56
Id say no from TO.

Downgrade from Gardiner to Ceci, then get back Bear and a 2nd for Nylander? No thanks, rather go after Pesce/ Manson, etc.

22 Nov 2018 12:15:25
And the oilers are what? 15 mil over the cap?

22 Nov 2018 12:36:49
This is funny. Not very realistic for value or cap wise.

22 Nov 2018 12:38:02
Toronto gets screwed.

22 Nov 2018 12:38:07
The leafs get hosed.

22 Nov 2018 14:12:43
Leafs trade a top 4 Dman and a 22 year old 1st line winger and get a decent prospect in Bear, a disappointing player in Ceci (although Rambo says he’s been great this year, I haven’t watched to know) and a 2nd rounder?! No thanks. Oilers do alright in it if they could keep the players beyonf this season, but cap obviously doesn’t work and Sens do pretty well getting puli and the best pick.

22 Nov 2018 14:35:07
Dosent get Gardiner alone. A overrated 7th dman cap dump, decent prospect and a 1st dosent get a 50+ point dman.

22 Nov 2018 14:36:52
Drais And Klefbom for Hanisey, Grundstrom And 2nd?

22 Nov 2018 16:05:35
You forgot Ottawa in your over exaggerated comparison VBB my friend. You can do better.

22 Nov 2018 18:57:42
He called ceci an overrated 7th Dman in there yupp. Try again lol.

22 Nov 2018 21:35:01
🤔🤔🤔. In the Drai and Klefbom comparison? Try again. Lol.

22 Nov 2018 22:19:16
Well I mean who in Ottawa is comparible with that package. Nylander>>any forward on Ottawa.

23 Nov 2018 01:54:08
Nylander is better than Stone 24 points and Duchene 27 points (8th in league scoring) ?
Duchene has more points and Tavares right now and Nylander certainly isn't better than Tavares if some Leafs fans call Nylander the 7th best player on the team.
Are you over exaggerating, again?
Nylander. Stone. Duchene. Wonder how everyone would rank those three. i'm not sure how I would. Even Chabot.

23 Nov 2018 04:53:23
Brady Tkatchuk as well.

23 Nov 2018 05:25:33
I think you need more practice with your three way propositions Billy. got to keep an eye on the cap. And is the value and fit right for each team? Floating a proposal that makes sense between two trades is difficult enough. Between three teams is outrageous.

Love all those guys. Every single one of them is a damn good player. This trade doesn’t work for a couple different reasons. But that’s ok. Because we gained a bit more insight on all these players and teams involved.

That Puljujärvi though. His size just makes you drool. If only he would live up to his potential, he could be a top 10 power forward in the league for years. A young Lucic perhaps?

23 Nov 2018 13:13:43
Tkachuk yes he’s a comparible. But no pending UFA has the value as Nylander. Who’s comparible to Gardiner? Chabot>>Gardiner.

Switch Tkachuk with Drais if that floats your boat.

23 Nov 2018 16:34:34

21 Nov 2018 00:05:21
Oilers next step:

Oilers: Parayko, Gunnarsson, 2020 2nd round pick
STL: Puljujärvi, Russell, 2019 1st round pick (top 5 protected)

Oilers: Toffoli
LA: Lucic, Khaira, 2020 2rd round pick

Oilers: Smith, Ceci
OTT: Talbot, Benning

21 Nov 2018 00:59:49
LA refused to give Lucic more than a 4 year deal in 2016 when they had him for free. Why would they take on years 3-7 of Chiarellis mistake while giving up the best player in the deal?! Makes less than zero sense.

Blues say not very easily and Sens one might be close, hard to say.

21 Nov 2018 01:12:42
If tye first is protected, easy no from STL. Pulj + a mid first ain't getting Parayko [just like Nylander isn't getting him, i know, lmao].

That doesn't even touch Toffoli. That maybe is enough to dump Lucic. probably not, but then, youd need to add much more to get Toff.

Idk why EDM would do that. Yes Kosk is playing well but Talbot is good to have as insurance. Ceci is meh and Smith is overpaid blah.

21 Nov 2018 03:51:40
We’ve been talking about the Oilers 1st round pick
(protected) in trade proposals for years now. If you want a good player, the other team needs that 1st to at least have the potential of being a top 5. It still probably wouldn’t be enough for St. Louis to give up Parayko. The Oilers should not need another top 5 pick.

21 Nov 2018 04:26:19
Nothing needs to be said from me.

21 Nov 2018 05:47:30
Toronto; Josh Manson, Ondrej kase
Anaheim; Nylander.

19 Nov 2018 21:39:19
Boston:3rd 2018


Boston takes a flyer on a bottom pairing defensemen at best but at that price it's not a big risk

20 Nov 2018 02:12:58
Bruins have a ton of depth on D, no need.

22 Nov 2018 15:40:51
Despite what everyone thinks of Ceci myself included he's still worth more than a 3rd rounder.

19 Nov 2018 06:07:21
Tor : Nylander (rights as is unsigned), a 3rd

Ott : ceci, ( who's having a good year so far), chlapic, a 2nd

Nylander won't sign in Toronto anyway meaning his value is actually a lot lower than this offer gives him credit for at the moment

Ceci is slowly becoming irrelevant in Ottawa with guys like Lajoie, Chabot, and jaros taking over and guys like wolanin, Bernard-docker, and Norris set to be the next wave or influx of new defenders in Ottawa but could definitely outrank the majority of Toronto's blue line outside Reilly of course, on top of that chlapic is ready now for NHL and could be the cheap fix they need to replace Nylander in Toronto, as well as upgrading a 3rd to a 2nd, all for a guy who won't sign anyway.

Ottawa would have the money to sign him with the space they have plus the free space from Ceci contract making their offence even more formidable and arguably their defense too lol as even though he's having a good year they play better as a team without Ceci in lineup.

Boadker Duchene Batherson
Tkechuck teirney stone
Nylander white Ryan
Dzingle Smith pyatt
Pajarvii pageau Gaborik Formenton brown

Yes I put Nylander on 3rd line to start as he hasn't played in a while, it's a new team, those top 2 lines already have tons of chemistry with each other, without Matthews feeding him it's unknown whether he'll be a fit in top 6 or not, and a 3rd line like that shows unreal depth.

With that being said however Boucher does like to rock the boat with line combos so he likely would find his way up the order eventually.

19 Nov 2018 06:39:48
ceci sucks dude. huge no.

19 Nov 2018 11:37:58
looool, he's come outta hiding.

19 Nov 2018 11:40:35
Wouldn’t take Ceci for free. Would rather Polak.

19 Nov 2018 13:08:38
Hahahah. Comes out of hiding with a classic Rambo bang!
So what are your thoughts on the Karlsson trade?

19 Nov 2018 15:24:53
The leafs will
Not trade nylander unless it’s a sign and trade. They will just keep him as opposed to trading him for garbage. Come on.

19 Nov 2018 15:53:00
Mclary27 if the Leafs keep him they will lose him for nothing anyway either to an eventual NHL team or to Europe, the kid clearly don't want to be their or he'd be signed by now at least to a bridge deal.

And ceci might not be the greatest but he's still top 4 defense and better than most defense Toronto currently has and is having a pretty good year so far, and chlapic is capable of filling the Nylander void in Toronto. Add the pick upgrade on top of that and you have a far better return than Ottawa got for Hoffman who's a very comparable player to Nylander on a much better contract situation.

19 Nov 2018 16:12:53
Yupp truth is I can't at this point give an oppinion on the karlsson trade yet as it has yet to be fully realized with all the crazy conditions to everything.

I hated it at first untill I saw those conditions. The players involved are growing on me a bit but it all depends on those draft picks.

If they make playoffs this year that 1st goes to Buffalo and sens get their next year's 1st, but if they don't make playoffs then sens get that 1st with neither scenerio being lottery protected.

On top of that if EK gets signed by them this year sens get an additional 1st either next year or the year after as well as if he's traded east this year.

If he's not signed or traded before July 1st he could wind up coming back to Ottawa anyway at a discount after a bad year and after seeing what the kids can do.

Any of those scenarios would be great for Ottawa.

So as much as I hated it at first I actually don't mind it now as it's far better than Hoffman garbage deal.

And seeing how close standings are currently who's to say jack Hughes isn't still within reach for Ottawa thanks to this deal? Lol.

19 Nov 2018 16:56:00
No Rambo, the leafs will not “lose him for nothing eventually anyway”. If he sits this year they still own his rights with the same amount of RFA years left. As usual, your posts are short on facts and high on incorrect opinions (which should not be surprising as your history of being comically wrong on this site is well documented) .

Will San Jose now flip Karlsson for Point, Sergachev and 2 1sts (his true NBR value that we were all wrong about)? Asking for a friend.

19 Nov 2018 17:30:32
He is owned by the leafs for 5 years. They don’t lose him for nothing to another NHL team lol. Where do you get this stuff?

19 Nov 2018 21:34:11
"Who’s to say jack Hughes isn’t still in reach?" we’ll considering Colorado has their 1st I’d say he’s not but okay.

19 Nov 2018 22:49:12
@VBb he’s implying San Jose could win the lottery which Sens would getvthat pick.

19 Nov 2018 23:41:53
Unsportsmanlike and Jim, do you guys even know how the league or contracts work?

Leafs don't sign him one of 2 things will happen. Either the trade him for next to nothing hense lose him to NHL team or he signs in Europe as not signing him doesn't prevent him from going to Europe.

And vbbvbb, their 1st means nothing and if you read my full post you'd know I was talking about one of the conditional picks they got in karlsson deal with San Jose.
Sharks are just 8 points out of 2nd last as we talk right now and if they finish in lottery sens get that pick.

20 Nov 2018 14:08:30
They would lose him to Europe for the season, yes. But that’s what he’s alrewdy doing. He’s skating in Europe. But they don’t LOSE him. He can never return to the NHL until he gives the leafs 5 years or we trade him. He has next to no leverage unless he wants to go be a star in the SEL where top players make $2-3 mill.

20 Nov 2018 14:33:55
Yes, I DO know how the league and contracts work.

I also knew that Karlsson would not get anything close to the outlandish packages you said he would (Point, Sergachev, and 2 firsts, for example), and that Hoffman would not get anything near the return you said he would (newsflash: he didn't! ) .

Nylander wants more money. He's not getting that in Europe. He can sit out this year and play in the KHL for a fraction of what he could make playing for the Leafs this season. Even if he does the Leafs still own his rights and he is no closer to becoming a UFA than he was prior to the start of the season. If he wants the big money he has to come back to the NHL.

21 Nov 2018 04:35:00
Pretty sure they make more than that in Europe leagues. Khl can and has matched NHL contracts before with the likes of Kovalchuk Yashin jagr and radulov.

Also if the 5 year with Toronto thing was even close to true then explain how Kovalchuk bypassed that stipulation this season when he returned to NHL seeing as how his rights should have remained with new Jersey after his false retirement?

21 Nov 2018 18:20:33
I could care less about you being "pretty sure" -- especially considering you are wrong all the time.

Star players in the KHL make $1-$5 mln a year. Radulov was the highest paid player in KHL history and was making $5.75 mln. Kovalchuk was making $4.4 mln a year. KHL GM's have since reigned in spending. Nylander would be lucky to get $4 mln, well below what the Leafs are offering him.

Kovalchuk was able to come off the NHL's voluntary retirement list when he turned 35 (which he did this past spring) . Before that, he would have needed approval from New Jersey to sign with another team prior to that.

But hey as usual don't let the facts get in the way of your delusions.

22 Nov 2018 16:10:58
You want to talk about being wrong? Dude you're wrong a lot more than I am and that is a fact!

The Karlsson deal could still work out in Ottawa's favour with all the conditions attached to it, and even still even the biggest hockey insiders like Pierre Lebrun and Bob Mackenzie were saying that Ottawa got shafted on both deals because of an incompetent general manager.

A competent gm for sure could have landed not only the deal I said with Tampa for Karlsson by simply adding a c or d prospect and a 4th or 5th pick to seal the deal but also could have easily held out till he got at least a mid to late 1st for Hoffman despite situation.

Real life situations happen all the time in hockey, the only difference between a real gm and dorion is that dorion let said situation affect the quality of his trades where a real gm like Brian Murray would never do.

Now don't mistake me for saying I completely hate the deals at this point because the players involved are all growing on me slowly but surely but the picks involved could have been better and possibly still can be in Karlsson deal thanks to conditions on them, just wish it was a guarantee and not a condition pick on at least 2 of the possible 3 1sts only one is guaranteed while other 2 have yet to be known.

22 Nov 2018 17:38:04
A fact like how much players make in Euro leagues? Or a fact like Nylander being able to get out of his NHL contract? Yeah you've proven yourself to be a real expert when it comes to "facts". I'm sure a competent GM could have landed the deal you were so adamant Tampa would make for Karlsson (Point, Sergachev, and two firsts) if only Dorion were so super smart like you and added a c or d prospect and a 4th or 5th.


23 Nov 2018 16:57:22
Are you honestly that dumb? Yzerman sent starting point offer of 2 1sts and sergachev or point for karlsson which surprisingly dorion was smart enough to say it wasnt enough.

Tampa without karlsson is a guaranteed top 5 in league projection, with Karlsson added they run away with the league title so naturally he'd be with more than a poor man's version of himself or a 2nd line winger and 2 late 1sts that can arguably be deemed early 2nd rounders.

San Jose gave 2 promising prospects that seem NHL bound, a responsible blue liner and a decent young 2 way center, plus a guaranteed 2nd rounder, a gauenteed 1st rounder (this year or next depending on how San Jose finishes with the better pick going to Ottawa if they don't make playoffs this year or guaranteed next year if they do) . On top of all that they also got an additional possibility of 2 more 1sts which will be in better shape than what Tampa's will be.

The additional 2 are under certain Conditions that if Sanjay signs Karlsson before July 1st and makes it to conference finals either this year or next sens get an extra 1st out of them.

Also if karlsson is traded back to an eastern Conference team before July 1st like Hoffman was, sens also get an additional 1st.

Now if they let him go to free agency to avoid all this, that gives him the option to come back to Ottawa where he never wanted to leave in the first place, and despite whether he goes back to Ottawa or goes somewhere else it leaves San Jose weaker for it next year with all their old timers on the decline and Demers and demelo both gone to new teams, that gives Ottawa as you would say a duel shot at lefrenier next year, with their own pick and with San Jose's pick

all of which are scenarios where Ottawa wins out.

23 Nov 2018 18:17:31
LOL care to provide a source for "Yzerman sent starting point offer of 2 1sts and sergachev or point for karlsson"?

And no, the voices in your head does not count hahaha

And then you say Dorion was "smart enough to say it was not enough? "

And then he ended up trading him for:

Tierney (2nd round pick)
DeMelo (6th round pick)
Norris (1st round pick)
Balcers (5th round pick)

And in all likelihood, a second round pick (maybe a 1st, but also maybe nothing) .

I honestly think you are trolling me -- and if you are, well done -- I don't believe anyone can be this delusional.

23 Nov 2018 23:10:03
I love how it won't post my responses to your garbage lol especially when no vulgar remarks were made or anything of the sort, it just simply proved how dumb you are lol. I'm certainly not reposting it either as there was far too much involved and it'd be a waste of my time sort of like you are.

25 Nov 2018 00:22:16
So no sources, because it never happened. Got it.

26 Nov 2018 01:39:21
Unsportsmanlike, go read up what the trade was. Yes sens got those 4 players, and yes sens got a 2nd rounder as well, but they also got 3 conditional 1st rounders. Deny it all you want, that don't make it any less truthful.

If San Jose signs Karlsson and makes it to the conference finals this or next year then Ottawa gets an additional 2020 or 2021 1st round pick all depending which one they will have automatically

If San Jose trades Karlsson to an eastern Conference team before his current contract is up they also get an additional 1st in 2020, 2021, or 2022

And incase you don't know how to read when you look it up assuming you're smart enough to do that anyway they are guaranteed at least one 1st from San Jose either in 2019 or 2020 non lottery protected, the reason they don't know the year of the pick yet is because of the Evander Kane trade with Buffalo which was stipulated that if San Jose makes this year's playoffs their 1st goes to Buffalo and Ottawa gets the 2020 1st rounder, but if San Jose misses this year's playoffs then the 1st goes to Ottawa and their 1st in 2020 goes to Buffalo.

Neither of the situations where the 1st goes to Ottawa this year or next, nor the other conditional picks were deemed lottery protected, giving Ottawa a better shot at either jack Hughes or Alexis Lafreniere and possibly what ever comes next as well.

26 Nov 2018 01:59:21
Also considering the San Jose pick will be better than the Tampa pick they could have got, plus the possible extra 2 1sts instead of 1 extra from Tampa, plus a guaranteed 2nd as well picks wise San Jose was the better route.

And teirney might not be Brayden point and demelo might not be sergachev but both are responsible players and sergachev like I said months ago is a shell of what he was last year so far hence why you don't value a player completely based on 1 year of work or the chances are you'll be sadly disappointed.

Add balcers who's performance in minors so far has been nothing short of solid and Norris who is not only a former 1st rounder himself and was picked up because of his friendship and history with tkechuck but will also eventually find his way to main team based on how he's done since trade.

By the way you want a source, it's called tsn, Bruce garioche, Bob Mackenzie, etc.

But again based on this year and everything invovled or could have been involved, what they got from San Jose wasn't really as much less than I said from Tampa especially if one or both of those other conditions come into play.

On top of that Karlsson for sure would have fit in so much better in Tampa than in san Jose if yzerman wasn't so greedy seeing as how Tampa has the shut down guys to compliment Karlsson better plus instant chemistry with Hedman and a loaded team up front and on back end.

26 Nov 2018 14:35:47
You must have vertigo from all of this spinning!

So just so we are all clear: no sources that Dorion turned down an offer of 2 1sts and Sergachev or Point (spoiler alert: it never happened) .

And a trade was NOWHERE NEAR as good as what you said the Sens would receive, calling us fools for undervaluing Sens players.

Just another chapter in the novel of Rambo being comically incorrect on this site. it's getting to be a pretty long book.

27 Nov 2018 17:34:02
Were you living under a rock this past summer or in a crazy accident that left you in a coma for a few months? The offer did happen and if you accually followed the sport on and off the ice like a true fan, you'd know that.

Just because you hate the idea of it because it proves you wrong yet again don't make it any less true.

And the trade that did happen automatically becomes better than even what I said if any of 3 things happen.

Sign plus conference final appearance by San Jose

Trade to east team before season's end

Karlsson don't sign then comes back to sens in offseason

All 3 make you look du.

15 Nov 2018 08:34:05
Bruins have been playing pretty well, I think with a healthy D core and an add of a top 6 forward, they could really end up being cup contenders

Bos: Stone
Ott: Heinen + conditional 3rd (changes to first if stone resigns or Bos wins cup)

Ott get a really good TWF, played really well in limited ice time on the third line with more defensive players last year.

Stone would be a perfect Bruins player, big body winger

Not really sure about the return for this, I look at a guy like Evander Kane as a similar player and he only got a 1st last year because he resigned (wouldve been a 2nd if he didnt) i'd say Heinen is worth more than a 1st, a proven young player I'll take any day over a late 1st

Bruins lines


15 Nov 2018 10:49:33
Stone would be a way pricier rental. You need to give a first for sure. Player. + depending on said player.

19 Nov 2018 05:42:20
LMFAO was this a serious post or just for a laugh?

09 Nov 2018 23:22:17
The Edmonton Oilers send (RW) Jesse Puljujärvi to The Carolina Hurricanes in exchange for (D) Brett Pesce

The Edmonton Oilers send (2019) 2nd-Round Pick & (D) Andrej Sekera to The Ottawa Senators in exchange for (RW) Bobby Ryan

The Edmonton Oilers send (C) Ryan Strome to The Arizona Coyotes in exchange for (RW) Brendan Perlini

The Edmonton Oilers send (2019) 3rd-Round Pick & (2019) 6th-Round Pick to The Vancouver Canucks in exchange for (RW) Jake Virtanen

Ryan Nugent-Hopkins - Connor McDavid - Jake Virtanen
Tobias Rieder - Leon Draisaitl - Bobby Ryan
Milan Lucic - Drake Cagguila - Brendan Perlini
Ty Rattie - Kyle Brodziak - Alex Chiasson

Oscar Klefbom - Adam Larsson
Darnell Nurse - Brett Pesce
Kris Russell - Matt Benning

10 Nov 2018 00:18:05
Pesce for Puljujarvi. There is just no way this is considered as a starting point.

10 Nov 2018 01:04:14
If people begin to say Pulj = Pesce, but Willy can't get more than Pesce, that's a joke.

Also, i don't think edm takes Bobby even if Sekera goes th other way.

Strome doesn't come close to Perlini imo.

Virtanen has improved as a player this season, vancouver prolly doesn't want to trade him.

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