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06 Dec 2018 02:42:32
Leafs trade Zaitsev, Brown, 3rd
NYR trade Shattenkirk (retain $2M), Strome

Basically we are sitting the difference in salary. NY saves just over $1.15M and Leafs add about the same. All the benefits about Pinball’s trade still apply. Leafs give NY an upgrade on wing and the pick because they are taking on Zaitsev, whose contract is a lot longer than Shattenkirk’s.

06 Dec 2018 05:15:39
is brown really an upgrade? i like brown but idk why the rangers would do this, they're trying to rebuild and they'll be better by that time, doesn't make sense.

06 Dec 2018 05:46:42
Honestly, I wouldn’t do it. Call it homerism if you want. The difference between shattenkirk and zaitsev is real, but not very big. Then consider that shattenkirk is not defensive and I would say zaitsev is better for what we need, younger and signed cheaper. Shattenkirk, after leaving St. Louis, was exposed as what he is. A pp guy who is closer to a 6th Dman than a top pair at even strength. Even when Barry Trotz was asked about caps not resigning him after having him for the playoff run he said something along the lines of “I was under the impression we were adding a top pair Dman, that wasn’t the case”. I’m very satisfied having zaitsev at $4.5 mill to be a good solid #4 Dman. Now fill in around him dermott and Rielly. Don’t make lateral moves to bring in an older more expensive guy we don’t need.


Leaf fans are prepared to let Jake Gardiner walk after the season because he’s an offense first guy who takes risks and makes mistakes and they don’t want to pay him the $6.5Mill+ that he will command. So why give assets to get shattenkirk who makes $6.65 and does that same thing from the other side?!

06 Dec 2018 13:23:49
I don’t want anything to do with Shattenkirk. He’s not the d man the leafs need. Brown could be packaged with a 1st and a prospect to get a defense first d man.

06 Dec 2018 14:04:27
The only reason for making this trade would be to get out of Zaitsev’s contract earlier. I split the cost by having Rangers retain salary, so Shattenkirk and Zaitsev cost the same in this proposal. Is Shattenkirk better than Zaitsev? Questionable. But we get out from under Zaitsev’s contract in half the time if you are unsatisfied with him, while bringing in an equally qualified replacement. Shattenkirk plays 2RHD on Leafs. I feel more comfortable having him for call up to 1st line than Zaitsev if Hainsey gets hurt. A rebuilding Rangers team get a good young player in Brown, stability in the back end with Zaitsev’s contract, and a pick to help them rebuild. If Strome isn’t the guy they want to send our way, we can take someone else. I just threw Strome in to match salaries easier.

It’s a fairly neutral trade. The only reason for making this trade is to get out from under Zaitsev’s contract a little earlier. It’s not one I would entertain seriously normally, but felt there was some merit to Pinball’s proposal. He makes some very good points, and I took it upon myself to see if there was a way that a Zaitsev/ Shattenkirk trade could make sense. I enjoy floating proposals like this. It’s fun for one thing, and you learn a lot more about the players and teams in the process.

06 Dec 2018 21:01:05
I don’t really care about getting out of zaitsevs deal early. He’s a very capable player. Great skater, struggled last year with injuries and other personal things and looks a lot better this year. $4.5 mill is fine for a second pair guy and it’s going to be even more reasonable as top tier guys get $10+, these guys will be $6 mill guys soon enough.

06 Dec 2018 21:11:05
there is no reason to make this trade unless TOR is admitting That Zaitsev is a really bad defender.

05 Dec 2018 20:39:52
Rangers Trade
Shattenkirk

Leafs Trade
Zaitsev
Timashov (AHL)
4th Round Pick 2019

New York gets a little bit of Cap relief with this Trade plus add a Prospect and Pick for the future.
Toronto gets a Top 4 Defenceman that helps the second power play unit and more mobility on the backend which helps an offensive Team like the Leafs.

Thoughts ?

05 Dec 2018 21:07:05
yeah this is dumb. Leafs are trying to lose money from cap not add it. I am sure Leafs GM will 100% like this trade. Oh wait its bad for the leafs so he will not like it LOL.

05 Dec 2018 21:10:01
I think you should start looking for defensive minded players. The leafs don’t need help on the PP or to take on an extra $2 million or whatever it is.

05 Dec 2018 23:15:07
I feel bad for Shattenkirk. Much like Zaitsev, injury has set him back. He finished 14th in Norris voting three years straight, signed that fat contract, got hurt, and now NY can’t even give him away. It’s debateable who is the better defenseman here. What is undeniable though is that Leafs can’t afford Shattenkirk.

05 Dec 2018 23:21:39
Leafs gm is this a positive trade prop. Pinball explained it. Should becreally good for leafs.

06 Dec 2018 00:57:37
Even I can’t spin this into a good proposal.

06 Dec 2018 01:04:48
At least pinball has the balls to post something every day. Usually more often than that even. He gets discussion going and gives you something to talk about redwing. Maybe after you grow a pair and start posting your own proposals I can take you more seriously.

06 Dec 2018 02:32:58
Wow did you just try to call me out lol. Your kinda a joke.

06 Dec 2018 04:58:30
@ colt, you kinda called him out first lol.

06 Dec 2018 21:13:08
Apparently i need balls to post something every day. wouldn't it be hysterical if Leafs GM and Pinball were the same person. Its kinda of funny how he stands up for one of the most ridiculous posters here.

27 Nov 2018 23:15:04
Maple Leafs - Rangers

Maple Leafs offer Nazem Kadri, Jake Gardiner, Jeremy Bracco and a 1st Rd pick in 2019 to the Rangers for Brady Skjei and Chris Kreider

20 Nov 2018 00:02:11
Dallas Trades: Gemel Smith [C - 0.720 Million x 1 Year] + Jason Robertson [RW - 0.825 Million x 3 Years] + 2020 2nd Round Draft Selection.
NY Rangers Trade: Mats Zuccarello [LW - 4.500 Million x 1 Year] + Fredrik Claesson [D - 0.700 Million x 1 Year].

If Dallas is serious about competing, they acquire one of the top UFA's on the market to shore up their depth. Robertson is a solid prospect, drafted 39th overall and is more than PPG for three years in the OHL, and a second is always good, so there is good value going towards NY. Gemel Smith is also young enough to become a 3rd/ 4th liner on a revamping NY team. [Would be a deadline move imo]

Dallas [Healthy] Lineup:
Jamie Benn - Tyler Seguin - Alex Radulov
Mats Zuccarello - Jason Spezza - Matias Janmark
Jason Dickinson - Radek Faksa - Valeri Nichuskin
Tyler Pitlick - Martin Hanzal - Blake Comeau

Miro Heiskanen - John Klingberg
Esa Lindell - Stephen Johns
Connor Carrick - Julius Honka.

20 Nov 2018 12:14:45
i'd do it from new york perspective, i'm sure they'd want a 1st in the package but the 2nd isn't bad considering they are getting 2 prospects.

06 Nov 2018 21:56:55
Nashville Trades: Dante Fabbro [Unsigned] + Miikka Salomaki [0.750 Million x 2 Years] + 2019 1st Round Draft Selection.
NY Rangers Trade: Mats Zuccarello [4.500 Million x 1 Year] + Kevin Hayes [5.300 Million x 1 Year (50% Retention Additionally) ] + 2020 3rd Round Draft Selection.

- Nashville goes 'all-in' acquiring two of the best UFA's on the market. They can afford to part with Fabbro since they have all of their top four locked-up longterm. Strengthen up their depth as well.
- New York packages both of their best trade assets for two solid pieces, a 1st, and a young dman who simply, most likely won't have a place on a currently all-in Predators team. Fabbro helps with New York's lackluster defensive prospect pool, and an additional first is always welcome.

Nashville Lineup:
Forsberg - Johansen - Zuccarello
Hayes - Turris - Fiala
Jarnkrok - Bonino - Smith
Hartman - Sissons - Grimaldi.

06 Nov 2018 22:57:48
Arvidsson? 😱 as for the trade I think Nashville should keep Fabbro or the first and only go after one of the two players. 🤷🏻‍♀️.

06 Nov 2018 23:45:11
I think NYR can get more for those two guys. If you trade them each to different teams, should be worth combined a couple first round picks plus prospect players. You’re not exactly robbing NYR grave here, but you aren’t exactly handing them the key to a rebuild either: Fabbro is a question mark still, Salomaki is junk, and the 1st will likely be a mid 20’s pick. It’s more like a chevette than a corvette for NYR, if you see what I’m saying.

07 Nov 2018 00:26:21
I KNEW I WAS FORGETTING SOMEONE!

I checked dailyfaceoff and they didn’t have him listed, lol.

03 Nov 2018 03:39:24
Canucks: erikson

Nyr: Kevin Shattenkirk

Both are cap daps ranger save .65 mill


Canucks get the pp quarter back

Give room to trade tanev or guddy

I'm a geuiss make be seattles gm

Or oiler cause there sucks

03 Nov 2018 18:25:25
Were you drunk when you wrote this cause its complete jibberish, or English not your native language?

03 Nov 2018 22:07:36
How can both teams make a cap dump with each other? And why would Canucks ever want Shattenkirk.

05 Nov 2018 19:29:20
Cause canucks have to many foward and no real offince from there back end beside edler

Both have 3 years remainding

01 Nov 2018 15:22:06
Out of all the teams That insiders kinda picked as having the most interest in Nylander (Carolina, Minny, NYR, LA) there’s a mid 20s Dman with term that would be an obvious centrepiece except LA.

Looking at what they could possibly trade that make the leafs happy is harder. Obviously drew doughty is a superstar RHD still in his 20s but that ship sailed when he signed that extension. Their other Dmen are either older, not established enough or Dion Phaneuf lol. I’m a fan of Muzzin but he’s turning 30 and left handed. I would be fine with the age if he was a righty or being a lefty if he was younger, but straying from both those criteria seems like it’s reaching

So a very out of the box idea came to me. What about trying for a package including the rights to Slava Voynov?! He is reportedly looking to come back to the NHL. He’s a 28 year old RHD, high skill, 2 way, great skater. He looked amazing at the Olympics (albeit not a best on best tourney) . Now what complicates things is that he still owes the league a suspension upon his return and domestic assault is a very sensitive topic right now in society and Toronto (Blue Jays just traded a good young pitcher for similar accusations).

I wouldn’t trade a young player like Nylander with his potential and upside for just the rights to a guy who hasn’t played in the NHL in 3 years, but he could be a steal if he returns to form. But LA also has some decent prospects and veteran wingers with size (Clifford similar to a Kassian) who could take Kapanens spot in the bottom 6 since he replaces Nylander in the top 6.

It’s an ‘out there’ thought but if there’s no perfect 1-for-1 deal out there that makes sense for both teams, maybe a package that fills a RHD, size and grit up front and stash a prospect or pick for the future could work

What do you think?!

01 Nov 2018 17:09:48
Isnt this similar to why you wouldn't want Kassian? Maybe not worth the hassle. I agree Voynov would probably be good for the Leafs however, it's been a few years. and with domestic violence front and center in everything these days, I think this is a distraction the Leafs don't need. and neither does Voynov of he comes back. As a Leafs fan, you already know, things will be blown up 100× more .
I'm not defending Voynov, not at all. But. if he's going to come back. best to got to an American team, where he can roam about and maybe not get noticed as much. he wouldn't get that privacy in Canada.
I understand ya want to improve your team Jim. just this is one I'd stay away from.

01 Nov 2018 17:14:35
I read an article today with a headline "Nylander for Faulk? "
And the article lists Car and LAK as interest for Nylander and offering Faulk/ Pesce or Muzzin/ Martinez. The article also mentions how old the LAK guys are as well.

01 Nov 2018 19:18:40
I agree with Sosa. You don’t want a party animal on the team but a wife beater is ok? He’s a really good defenseman but it sounds like trouble.

01 Nov 2018 19:40:25
Toronto is at a disadvantage with every team interested in Nylander because unless its a sign and trade not too many teams would want this Leafs headache. This reason alone would decrease Nylanders value and it will get worse the closer it gets to Dec 1st.

01 Nov 2018 23:50:26
@sosa, i hear ya. But for a RHD who if he never left the NHL would be a top pair guy easily I believe, could be worth it. The cost to acquire a top pair, or even top 4 RHD is so expensive, that getting one with a history like his may be the only way right now. And at the same time address a cpl other things.

With Kassian, acquiring players like him is not difficult or rare. Not at all in the same realm as a top pair Dman so I would just get one without the History and eliminate that risk. I’m no fan of Voynovs behaviour either, but it wouldn’t be for a 4th liner. It’s for the chance at a very undervalue top D.

Reminds me of The kaepernick thing. He doesn’t have a job because he protested? NO, he doesn’t have a job because he sucked and protested. If we have learned anything over the years it’s that people forgive players in all sports as long as their on field/ on court/ on ice performance outweighs their private life’s BS. Tom Brady could have any of field problems he wants, be a complete douche and he would have a job because he wins.

I would much rather find a deal with a good, solid RH top pair or too 4 guy locked up long term. Which is why pesce at 4 mill for 6 years looks like a near perfect fit, but this is just spit balling something I hadn’t heard anywhere else.

LA wants offense, and wants to get younger and has been linked to Nylander. Leafs are close to contending which means they either need Nylander signed or need d help for him. Voynov wants to come back. Just thinking there’s a possible long shot fit.

01 Nov 2018 23:56:43
@Islandjet. Obviously it would always be a contract in place. That’s extremely obvious. Same as when leafs got Kessel in a similar situation and Habs got Drouin and just about every other big name RFA deal.

02 Nov 2018 00:51:28
I get it Jim. but take all of our thoughts out of it. what would worry me, ( there was talk Bergevin had interest in summer) . Is the media wouldn't let it go. and then he wouldn't even be able to go get a coffee in hockey crazy Toronto or Montreal or wherever in Canada.

If the guy is granted permission to come back. I think, for his sake. Best to go somewhere and be low key.

If none of the off ice stuff had ever happened, he's exactly what your team needs. he was really good player., and I'm sure still good
I agree somewhat, that this is different than acquiring a guy like Kassian.
Just a lot of risk. and a lot of drama for a market than can make anything even more dramatic than it needs to be.

02 Nov 2018 03:52:54
Would the US even allow Voynov back in the country I wonder? He still has to face deportation hearing there. He fled the country remember.

02 Nov 2018 04:34:39
That I don't know about., but was wondering about all that stuff. The legality of it all.

02 Nov 2018 10:25:51
Makes sense for sure. Well I was at the leafs/ stars tonight and Carolina sent 3 scouts and assistant GM Rick Dudley to watch which makes us think there could be something in the works. Then leafs bring Justin Holl, a 26 year old RHD, in to play his first game of the season (had 2 goals in his only 2 games last season) . Could it be that if Carolina is thinking of a deal involving Nylander and Pesce, that it would be a bit bigger and they want a Cheap RHD going back? Seemed like a ‘showcase’ call up but I’m just speculating/ guessing. Maybe Nylander and Holl for Pesce and a forward with size? Julien Gauthier?! Who knows. Fun to watch tho. We will see.

02 Nov 2018 12:18:11
It's fun to watch your GM say "we can and we will sign the big 3" and then not be able to get the job done and an important part of your team hold out and miss the first 12+ games of the season? Doesn't seem like much fun. Need him in the lineup or should have said F you and traded him already if it's the player being a dick. Figure it out not let it drag on this long.

02 Nov 2018 13:28:52
Imagine how crazy you would trash me if someone like Nurse held out and I said its "fun to watch tho".

02 Nov 2018 15:12:52
There is no shame in A GM realizing something isn't going to work and its time to change tactics. TOR GM needs to part ways with Nylander and land a young dman (pesce) to cover the #1 duties until TL is ready.

02 Nov 2018 18:10:23
I meant the trade speculation is fun to watch. Didn’t you just post something asking what cool stories are around the nhl? I know this isn’t new, but it’s easily he biggest off ice story in the league right now. I’ve said all along he should stay firm with Nylander. I don’t want him traded but if they trade him, I get it. I started by saying I still think he gets signed.

Dubas is playing the long game with a young player who has very little leverage, that’s doing his job. This decision determines the landscape of the team for 5+ years, why would I be upset about 12 games when the payoff or pain could last 5-10 years? Pretty short sighted comment. I was critical of Chiarelli about lucic contract, trading the Barzal pick, trading Taylor Hall. And those mistakes are going to cause pain to the franchise for 5-10 years. I can be patient for Dubas to do everything possible to avoid a mistake. We are okay man lol.

02 Nov 2018 18:15:53
Plus every day that passes, Nylanders cap hit for years 2-7 gets cheaper and is added onto this season where we are flush with cash and cap space. Again, I don’t believe this is a premeditated strategy, but his assistant GM did write the CBA and is well aware of that loophole. It is a nice added incentive not to cave early and overpay him or trade him for less than fair value.

02 Nov 2018 18:30:42
You were able to post positive things for like 36 hrs and hit your limit lol after saying you were tired of all the leafs/ oilers talk and arguing you jump on a leafs thread to chirp. And you’re right, the GM should just say F you and trade him in a hurry. Because that is never backfired before. No team in the league has traded a good young offensively talented winger for a decent Dman and then a year later said “damn that guy would look good beside our superstar centre, huh? ”. Oh wait, oilers did that with Hall, right? Then he went to the playoffs and won the Hart trophy? But you’re right, no need to be patient, just trade him and deal with the consequences later.

02 Nov 2018 21:17:15
I would see his Nylander situation it as frustrating, The opposite of fun. Nothing about one of your better players sitting out seems fun to me. Lmao, So you can post comments about Leafs stuff, but I can't comment myself?

All I said was that this Nylander situation doesn't seem like much fun and you're triggered.

02 Nov 2018 22:29:48
No. I said trade speculation is fun to watch, which is why we all joined this site, isn’t it? Lol and you flip that into dubas is failing and I’m having fun when I should be panicked lol it’s 12 games in.

23 Oct 2018 21:20:55
Leafs gm was at the Flames-Rangers game, so could they potentially accept a package from calgary.

Brodie + Bennett for Nylander

I think Bennett and Brodie would do awesome on a young hot team like the leafs. Especially Bennett.

24 Oct 2018 12:38:44
I like Bennet but where would he play?

24 Oct 2018 22:15:18
Bennett I think would be good on Matthews left wing. Defensively sound and he is aggressive. And I still think he has some offensive potential. Instead of Brodie can I would prefer Andersson and Toronto could add a pick or prospect.

24 Oct 2018 23:15:40
Move Marleau to Kadris wing and try Bennett out on Matthews left wing. He is aggressive, and I still believe has offensive ability. I wouldn't mind seeing Bennett and Rasmus Andersson for Nylander and a pick or prospect.

Leaf lines could be

Bennett matthews kapanen
Hyman tavares marner
Marleau kadri brown.

25 Oct 2018 01:53:29
If toronto wanted Andersson then flames would add not the leafs.

Bennett + Andersson + 1st Rd + maybe more
For
Nylander

17 Oct 2018 00:06:22
Straight-Up Hockey Trade:

New York Rangers Trade: Kevin Shattenkirk (6.300 Million x 3 Years: Retention 4.5% Salary)
Chicago Blackhawks Trade: Brandon Saad (6.000 Million x 3 Years)

Salary with the retention is equal. 6.3 in for CHI, 6 in for NYR + 0.3 for retention.

Both players haven't thrived in an ideal location, both have been healthy scratches and need fresh starts. Chicago could use a fast, puck-moving dman like Shattenkirk, and could be good as a mobile partner for Seabrook. New York could use additional forward depth if they decide to purge their forward core at the deadline [Kreider, Vesey, Hayes, Zucc, etc. ], and a bigger, younger guy in Saad could be helpful.

Saads youth compared to Shattys compensates for the salary retention by NY imo.

14 Oct 2018 17:52:25
Rangers Trade
Shattenkirk

Leafs Trade
Gardiner
2nd Round Pick 2020

Rangers in a rebuild and Shattenkirk isn't part of it if you read what's out there.
Shattenkirk would fit in more with the Leafs and with him locked up for the next 3 Season's including this year it's a positive move.

Thoughts ?

14 Oct 2018 18:36:15
Shattenkirk has been a healthy scratch, he’s overplayed and isn’t very good defensively. Only thing he’s got going for him is his handed ness. Leafs easily say no.

14 Oct 2018 21:23:36
Ya this is pretty bad for the Leafs. Shattenkirk isn't the type of D man the Leafs should even be considering looking into making an offer for.

15 Oct 2018 04:09:38
Rangers are desperate to get out from Shattenkirks contract. They would make this trade in a heartbeat. We could probably get Shattenkirk for less than Gardiner. NYR would be more than happy to just give him to us is my guess.

Not sure Shattenkirk is the right guy for us. If we exchanged firsts to go along with this deal, may be something to think about. Shattenkirk could be placeholder until Liljegren is ready I guess.

14 Oct 2018 01:20:19
Toronto and New York Ranger trade.

Leafs: Jimmy Vesey and Brendan Smith and 1rd Round pick.

Rangers: Nylander and Marincin

Leafs then deal with Carolina.

Leafs: Brett Pesce

Hurricanes: Andreas Johnsson and Nikita Zaitsev

Vesey - Matthews- Kapanen
Marleau -Tavares - Marner
Hyman - Kadri - Brown
Lindholm - Gauthier - Ennis

Rielly - Brendan
Gardiner - Pesce
Hainsey - Ozhiganov

14 Oct 2018 04:14:30
The rangers one is possible, but don’t think they do it. The hurricanes laugh historically.

14 Oct 2018 04:34:59
@unbiasedjim

Other than the fact that I don’t think New York can afford Nylander, is there any other reason why they wouldn’t make this trade? I mean, Vesey is nothing special, and Smith is an overaged defenseman who has missed large chunks of the last two seasons. The pick is what it is. Am I missing something?

14 Oct 2018 06:03:01
That pick looks like it has a great chance of being 1st overall.

14 Oct 2018 06:55:10
They would still have to win the lottery. It’s a real gamble. With teams like Ottawa, Arizona, NYI all looking like they are going to race to the bottom, it’s not a sure bet. And then we would still have to wait a year, maybe more, while the pick develops.

I’m not sure about this one from Leafs standpoint. I don’t know how I feel about trading Nylander for picks. Every draft has way more busts than winners. We’ve had a good run at the draft lately. Makes me think we are due for a dud.

14 Oct 2018 14:22:46
I just meant the 1st like Habby said.

With the trades involving Nylander and Canucks on here, everyone says they wouldn’t trade that 1st rounder either. The difference is Canucks already have a great young core coming up that Nylander would compliment (Peterson, Horvat, Boeser, Hughes and Juolevi) . Rangers don’t. Rangers making a trade like this, although only one 1st rounder not 2, reminds me of leafs with Kessel. Weren’t a good team, traded high picks for an RFA winger who had proven he was a 60 pt player, and the pick becomes Seguin who is as good or better, younger and cheaper for a few years.

So instead of adding Nylander to a young core, you risk what happened with the leafs which is you had a great 1st line winger and no one else around him. Even his Centreman (Bozak) was a 3rd line on good teams, 2nd centre on some. Teams getting Nylander should already have a foundation because he’s not the type of guy you Centre your rebuild around. Look at Kessel flourish after not being ‘the guy’.

12 Oct 2018 06:07:29
Tor marlue

Rangers Smith, Brendan

They safe 2.25 in cap get a good right hand d sign nylander to 7.2 dolla deal and no more nylander trade

12 Oct 2018 06:43:23
What do you think Marleau would say if you asked him to be traded from heavy cup favorites to lowly NYR? He does have NMC after all. He controls his own destiny.

12 Oct 2018 07:05:01
Marleau didn’t come here to leave at a time like this lol.

12 Oct 2018 13:19:57
Brock are you like 16 years old? Serious question, Just curious. Would explain a lot and I'll take it a little easier on you if so.

12 Oct 2018 15:47:30
Marlue. again?

13 Oct 2018 02:08:16
Well got to be an American with that spelling level.

16 Sep 2018 15:35:48
Well, the Nylander rumours are looking like they may actually be true, as a leaf fan I'm starting to get worried, so I thought of a solution for both the leafs RD problem and who should replace Nylander at the same time

3-way trade
To Columbus:
Gardiner (5 year extension), Nylander, Tevor Moore
To Anaheim:
Savard, Carrick, 2020 2nd-leafs, Milano
To Leafs:
Panarin (two year extension), Montour

Gardiner=Milano, Savard
Nylander, Moore=Panarin

If any of you think Gardiner isn't worth anything, look at the Karlsson trade, Gardiner was 10 points behind the guy last year and had A BAD GAME that everyone is crapping on him about, you can't judge a guy because of one game, with an extension he is probably worth like Nazem Kadri, or even a bit more then that because he is someone that the bluejackets need, they shouldn't be relying on Ryan Murray to play well on the top 4, because I hate to break it to you Jackets fans, but he isn't the next Morgan Reilly, you hold him at a way higher standard then he is, he is at MOST a Boone Jenner trade comparison and is a top 6 defenceman and no higher.
Jake Gardiner-Bad game
Ryan Murray-Bad season
Who would you rather have on your top 4?

Panarin has an extension so leafs can then trade him for a younger guy like De Brincat because Panarin has been quoted saying that he would highly consider going back to Chicago short term, and 2 years there could make him open his eyes and realize that he shouldn't go to a rebuilding NYR and instead sign with a contender

16 Sep 2018 17:10:40
Leafs aren’t running away with Panarin and Montour for what their giving up lol.

16 Sep 2018 17:31:46
Look, Nylander will resign with the Leafs. Toronto will not trade Nylander for Panarin, a player that will command more than Nylander on a long term deal. I suspect that Nylander will sign for no more than between US$6.5 million and US$7 million per on an 8 yr deal. No way Nylander gets US$8 million per on a long term deal as per internet reports.

16 Sep 2018 17:57:40
I really don’t think Nylander has any leverage. Toronto has a couple wingers that can play with Matthews. If he holds out and let’s say Kapanen starts producing on that line. Nylander’s value will go down and he might just lose his spot. He doesn’t seem like the player that will try to fight his way from the fourth line back to the second.

16 Sep 2018 21:06:02
Little Leafs biased eh? Make out like bandits.

16 Sep 2018 21:24:34
Look, Nylander is a guy who should get 6.5-7 mill over 8 years, but obviously that is not what is going to happen, he wants 30% more then the leafs are willing to offer him, so i don't see that happening any time soon

Out of camp and into pre-season, Nylander will not play, maybe even into the regular season. The leafs are going to see if they need him, and if they don't he is going to be traded for a better winger, and a defenceman, this deal works out perfectly for Columbus because they get something back that can help them in the playoffs, I may have offered more then I should've for Panarin, there is no denying these offers help all the teams involved

Anaheim gets better defensive depth which they need, and a young forward they can also use, plus a second round pick to sweeten the deal. Savard can easily replace Montour on the top 4 while Carrick can replace Scene on Anaheim's top 6 defence, which they could really use, especially with how low his contract is.

Columbus gets a winger who they can sign long term, which is something they would absolutely love to get back for Panarin. Gardiner as I explained before would be an awesome defenceman to have an one that can play top 4 minutes instead of Murray. The only thing I can see happening in that trade is maybe the leafs add a pick to sweeten it, but other then that it looks good to me

The leafs get their defenceman to play with Reilly, while they also get someone to replace Nylander, and who they can trade later on to reclaim a younger but still talented player, like DeBrincat, Panarin may want to go back to Chicago anyway so that may work out perfectly.

16 Sep 2018 22:03:15
I don't recall the last time Gardiner won the Norris, comparing him with Karlsson is laughable.

17 Sep 2018 03:19:29
Gardiner is not Karlsson I know, but last year he was better then Morgan Reilly, he had the same amount of points as Reilly and a better +/ - while playing with Nikita Zaitsev, who wasn’t as solid last year and who was worse then Ron Hainsey
You can say Reilly played less games, but he was still -4 in the regular season, which isn’t that great as a defenceman playing on a 100+ point team
Gardiner isn’t worth trading Reilly, but he is very close to Reilly’s trade value if not better, as I said before he is a 52 point defenceman, your all underestimating him and he is worth so much more then you think, especially with a contract extension
Jake Gardiner is VALUABLE
If you don’t view it that way then somethings wrong.

17 Sep 2018 14:28:16
First off, Rielly played top pair with a 40 year old against top lines all year. So when he was on the ice, so was Kadris line most of the time as the shut down forwards. When Gardiner was on the ice, he was facing second line offensive players and had Matthews and Nylander on the ice with him. If you can’t see a benefit there that sways plus minus in jakes favour, I can’t help you lol

That being said Gardiner definitely has value, he’s a 28 year old puck mover coming off a 52 pt season and an extremely reasonable cap hit of $4 mill for another season. However nylanders rights with $8mill demand, Gardiner (even resigned) and Trevor Moore, who I’ve see play a lot and is a long shot to play in the NHL does not get you Montour and Panarin lol if Nylander came with a reasonable contract, it’s closer, but if he would sign reasonably, then you don’t trade him to get an older, more expensive winger with less years of control. Either way, it’s flawed.

18 Sep 2018 02:59:05
The leafs don’t do the major trading for Montour, Savard comes from Columbus and already make up half if not more of the trade value of Montour, the leafs give two elite players, a second, an underrated top 6 defenceman, and a prospect in Moore who is way closer to the NHL and could potentially get in next year, and in return get two elite players, seems fair to me.

31 Aug 2018 06:33:30
Blue jackets: Panarin

Rangers: Chytil + Hajek + 2nd

Fair?

31 Aug 2018 15:30:12
When he apparently only wants to go to a cpl cities, that limits the ask. And if you know he is coming back next year, that’s not terrible. However he doesn’t have a NTC and another team may be okay trading for him for a single year and be able to offer more.

31 Aug 2018 16:47:53
He apperently really wants to be a NYR anyways. I do t think NYT should trade their best prospect for one year of him then probably resign him anyways.
The other cities/ teams Panarin is interested in is said to be NYI, TB, FLO, DAL, LAK. I actually think the Rangers will sign him as a UFA myself for some reason.

31 Aug 2018 18:03:48
Jim if another team trades better quality for a year of Panarin yikes for that team haha but I know what you’re saying and ya yup I guess he could sign next year as a UFA that’s very true.

31 Aug 2018 19:41:47
Yeah, obviously paying more than this for one year of service would be risky as hell. But it’s 2 good, not great, prospects and a 2nd rounder. For an elite point per game Player who is still only like 25 or 26, it’s possible someone pony’s up more.

31 Aug 2018 23:26:48
Rangers are rebuilding, why would they do this?

31 Aug 2018 23:31:44
@Jim

Actually, Chytils highly regarded as of now. he's ranked as the rangers #1 prospect by some, even over Andersson (which i find surprising), despite the fact that he was a reach in the 2017 draft. I think he's a solid prospect, and imo this deal woukd be more than enough to get Panarin. Idk if anyone woukd be willing to pony up more than this for the single yesr tho.

01 Sep 2018 00:16:12
I’m sorry but this is dumb Chytil is one of the top prospects in the nhl and the rangers are no where near contention. Yes it makes sense from a Paniran POV as long term he wants to be a ranger. But the reality is the blue Jackets are a contender and could use Paniran as their own rental for a cup run while the rangers will be in the race for Jack Hughes. In the 2019 offseason the rangers as of right now will acquire Paniran via UFA but if you believe the rangers will trade for Panarin especially without a extension you don’t know what you’re talking about. Value wise Chytil is not a prospect you trade for a rental.

18 Jul 2018 17:16:37
TB Trades:
- Mikhail Sergachev
- Ryan Callahan
- Tyler Johnson
- Taylor Raddysh
- 2020 1st Round Pick

OTT Trades:
- Erik Karlsson
- Zack Smith
- Bobby Ryan

NYR Trade:
- Matt Beleskey
- 2019 4th Round Pick



TB Acquires:
- Erik Karlsson
- Zack Smith
- Matt Beleskey

OTT Acquires:
- Mikhail Sergachev
- Tyler Johnson
- 2019 4th Round Pick

NYR Acquires:
- Bobby Ryan
- Ryan Callahan
- Taylor Raddysh
- 2020 1st Round Pick.

18 Jul 2018 17:52:23
Sens fans are not going to like this lol Rambo and crazyattack will tell you that smith and Ryan are both better than Johnson.

18 Jul 2018 18:01:27
Id do it as Tampa. Not sure NYR are willing to take Ryan, or that Johnson would waive his NTC for OTT.

18 Jul 2018 19:23:30
Lol i'd figure so@UBJ.

My main reason for this is to kinda show the offset of value that Ryan might bring into a trade. Without Ryan, Ottawa could probably get more for EK, but with him, a third partty would get the addins (Raddysh and the 1st) . The Rangers basically give up nothing to take on two cap dumps which can be afforded, and they get another 1st and Raddysh. Ottawa gets the main piece in Serg and a decent C to replace Brassard.

And good to hear @JB. Was assuming that it may be a lot from TB’s perspective, but good to hesr that it sounds decent.

18 Jul 2018 21:27:10
I mean. It is a lot. But its both getting Erik Karlsson and dumping Callahan. Its not going to be all that cheap and the pieces involved I can live with and have kinda already come to terms with those pieces having to go to pull this off.

19 Jul 2018 10:02:34
I think it is a lot. Also what do we want with Beleskey and Smith?

19 Jul 2018 13:18:38
Smith would adequately fill a third line role and fill in top 6 (were losing Johnson and Cally here and are already relying on rookies in bottom 6 this year) . Actually one of the reasons i'm more comfortable giving up what they are here. Beleskey is 2 mill. You can bury a chunk of it in the minors or maybe throw him on 4th line. If you got to take him back to make the trade happen its not a deal breaker imo.

19 Jul 2018 14:19:09
@triplets, other teams are taking guys they aren’t overly excited about to make the deal work. Bolts are getting the best player by a long shot, have to compromise too. Downgrading a guy in your middle 6 to get Karlsson is an easy yes for anyone to see.

09 Jul 2018 19:36:04
CBJ: Artemi Panarin,Ryan Murray
NYR: Buchnevich, Sean Day, 2019 1st, Vesey,3rd round pick


1:Artemi wants out,Murray needs a change
2:Buch has 30 goal potential, Day could be a top 6 defenseman, Vesey needs a change

09 Jul 2018 20:10:26
Huge no from CBJ.

10 Jul 2018 15:28:18
really 30 goal potential. He hasn't even hit 20 and he has 30 goal potential.

I am speachless.

11 Jul 2018 02:47:11
Panarin has said doenst know if he can stay for 8 years, this gives them lots of time to get a way better deal.

08 Jul 2018 00:02:56
Trade suggestion including 3 teams your thoughts? To:FLAMES. James Reimer 3.4 mil x 3rys. 30yrs old Nick Bjugstad 4.1 mil x 3yrs. 25yrs old To:Panthers Zuccarellio 4.5 mil x 1yr 30yrs old. Sam Bennett 1.95 mil 22yrs olds. Prospect Oliver Kylington. Rangers 1st 2019. To:Rangers Troy Brouwer 4.5 mil x 2yrs 32yrs old. Michael Frolik 4.3 mil x 2yrs 30yrs old. Keith Yandle 6.35 mil x 5yrs 31 yrs old. Flames 2nd&3rd picks 2020.

08 Jul 2018 21:03:17
So
Flames get - James Reimer, Nick Bjugstad
Panthers get - Mats Zucarello, Sam Bennett, Rangers 1st
Rangers get - Troy Brouwer, Michael Frolik, Keith Yandle, flames 2nd and 3rd

Rangers are rebuilding, flames get fleeced, florida rips off both teams lol. Dumb, flames are good down the middle and at goal aswell.

08 Jul 2018 23:45:53
Flames won't trade their 2nd and 3rd this year after they collosally botched the hamonic trade.

09 Jul 2018 02:54:09
Thanks for clearing that up billy.

09 Jul 2018 20:35:03
Flames have to pay to dump brouwer and in this scenario we free up cap space. Any sugestions to make this a bit better?

07 Jul 2018 18:19:55
Ok so Tampa and Ottawa are close to a deal but Tampa want a 3rd or maybe even 4th team involved to dump some cap so.

Ott : sergachev, point, Johnson, nyi 1st

Tbl : Karlsson, white, ott 3rd, nyr 6th

Nyi : palat, Ryan, pageau, tbl 2nd

Nyr : Callahan, tbl 3rd

Rangers get a fan favorite back plus upgrade their pick for next to nothing

Islanders get 2 top 6 guys with scoring touch to fill the void left by tavares plus a serviceable 3rd line center by downgrading their 1st to a 2nd

Ottawa gets a 1st back plus 2 promising young talents bu taking on Johnson's cap to replace Ryan's

Tampa dumps a bunch of cap but upgrades a late 3rd to what will prob be an early 3rd plus they get a 6th a high end prospect who will fit nicely with them and oh yeah the best defenceman in the world.

Killorn stamkos kucherov
Gourd miller cirelli

Hedman Karlsson
Mcdonagh Girardi

Deadly at both ends.

07 Jul 2018 19:07:28
Islander and rangers get hose very bad.

07 Jul 2018 19:29:22
Aiii this makes no sense so lemme break it down:

TB Acquires: Karlsson, White, 3rd, 6th
TB Trades: Serg, Point, Johnson, Palat, Callahan, 2nd, 3rd

OTT Acquires: Sergachev, Point, Johnson, 1st
OTT Trades: Karlsson, White, Ryan, Pageau, 3rd

NYI Acquires: Palat, Ryan, Pageau, 2nd
NYI Trades: 1st

NYR Trades: 6th
NYR Acquires: Callahan, 3td

Okay. putting into perspective, ottawa, as per usual with rambo propsosals, fleeces everyone. You get potentially a top5 pick, serg and point for EK w one year left, a terrible contract that will take at least a 1st to get rid off, some throw aways and colin white.

Lets say white = johnson.
pageaus worth nothing in the grand scheme of things; karlsson gets one of serg or point and a 1st (NOT AN NYI FIRST THAT COULD BE TOP10), and ryan takes away value from the deal. that's a ripoff by Ottawa.

tampa gets fleeced too, downgrading from Johnson to White, and then basically all of their youth and a 60 pount winger in Palat for EK. that's not even close to fair. Sure they get rid of callahan but his contract is MUCH easier to get rid of than Ryans, and Ottawa got more value back that way in the proposed deal. And don't tell me Callahans contract is worse and weighs down the deal. Ryans contractis 10x worse.

and nyi doesn't make that deal that pixk can be top10 and nobody wants ryan.

and itll take more to entice NYR to take Callahan.

07 Jul 2018 20:27:56
Islanders take on a brutal contract, a 3rd liner and a decent player that won’t help their case rebuilding and in return take their first rounder (probably top 5) and downgrade to Tampa’s 2nd (should be 55-62). Lol this is awful.

In reality Bobby Ryan is nothing more than a bad contract which the islanders can take but would want a first rounder to do it.

On your mind he’s still a good player. which hurts their rebuild.

Either way you just involved the islanders to help the senators, not themselves lol.

07 Jul 2018 20:50:07
You're setting yourself up for a major disappointment again.

07 Jul 2018 22:31:37
There is absolutely no chance that Karlsson goes for any less than both sergachev and point plus a 1st so get over you unrealistic expectations. Ottawa lost enough trades and getting fleeced on this one is simply not an option.

On top of all that Tampa is up against the cap with or with getting Karlsson as kucherov is up for a huge raise soon and point sergachev cirelli and gourds will also be getting substantial raises. with 3 million in space how do you propose they pull it off?

Tampa after this type of deal can afford to sign EK and give kucherov his raise plus have enough down the road for gourde and cirelli plus they get a future replacement for Johnson in white.

Rangers hardly get fleeced when all they give up is a 6th and in return they get back a fan favourite and a 3rd they come out great and Tampa dumps a bad contract.

Ottawa gets value for value and dumps an overpayed/ not bad contract in Ryan.

Islanders get 2 guys who consistantly get 50+ points a season and a playoff performer 3rd line center by downgrading a 1st to a 2nd.

No matter how you look at it no team gets fleeced in this.

Ottawa gets a future

Tampa forms the realist defence in the league without losing its stride up front and dumps a lot of un needed cap

Islanders get a few pieces to lessen the blow of losing tavares

Rangers basically get something for nothing as a 6th making it in NHL is basically a what? 5% chance?

All teams get better after this.

And fyi no way in hell Johnson equals white. Johnson been going downhill and is slightly overpayed just like Ryan. Tampa is actually trying to move him anyway with or without ek trade.

Plus both rangers and islanders have more than enough cap space to take on these contracts after these last 6 months.

08 Jul 2018 00:49:06
Unbiased jim how does this not help the islanders? They are not in rebuild and are set to offer a huge offer sheet to either Matthew's or marner next season. don't you think either of those guys will want someone to play with? A top 6 of 1 of those 2, barzal, eberle, bailey, Lee, and either Palat, or Ryan sounds pretty solid to me and 1 of those guys on 3rd line with pageau gives massive depth. a team like that wouldn't need a rebuild for a while. and that's not even counting wahlstrom who will also be joining the team eventually this trade definately makes the islanders strong enough to be a playoff team this season and if they land one of the big toronto 2 next season they'll be even crazier.

Then you got the rangers who have tons of cap space and essentially give a useless pick to get a decent pick and a guy who is familiar with their team. again rangers get stronger too.

Tampa needs to dump a contract or 2 for kucherov to be affordable anyway so why not dump 3 huge contracts and bring in the top defenseman in the world to boot. on top of that point sergachev gourde cireli and Miller are going to want big raises as well when contracts are up and there is no way tamp can afford all 5 so it makes sense to use 2 to get a huge piece that can put them over the edge like Karlsson can by jacking up their defence and giving the younger guys they still would have a shot at more ice time it's obvious that Tampa is not only more affordable after the deal but also much stronger for it plus with all the guys moving out white gets a shot to join NHL roster much sooner.

I for one as a true Sens fan would consider any less than a trade involving point and sergachev type players and a 1st round pick a massive loss on Sens part. a loss that cannot be allowed after every other garbage trade Dorian has made.

08 Jul 2018 04:41:03
Thanks topshelf for putting that into english for everyone, and you're right ottawa wins every trade proposal rambo makes by a landslide.

08 Jul 2018 07:57:53
Rambo, you’re an idiot. If Matthews and marner want good players to play with, they sign with Toronto and get each other, Tavares, Nylander, marleau, Kadri, Rielly, Gardiner etc to play with lol

If you think either of them leave the leafs right now to go to the islanders you’re dumber than I thought.

Secondly you say no way Karlsson gets traded unless Sergachev AND Point are coming back?! I take that bet all day long. You will be dead wrong again like always

And I love “Sens have lost too many trades lately, they can’t lose this one too! ” It’s the same owner and same GM that made the rest of the trades haha why would you expect different?!

08 Jul 2018 14:05:24
RYAN SUCKS. GET OVER IT. HE MAKES THE TRADE VALUE DROP IMMENSELY.

You know why the TB/ OTT deal didn’t happen some nights ago? Because your stupid ownerr wanted to include RYan too and NOBODYYYYY wants his LUDRICIS comtract.

Arguing with you is like arguing with a brick wall. Get over it man. You aren't getting Point, Johnson, Sergachev and a top 10 pick for EK and Pageau, as Ryan basically neglects White.

08 Jul 2018 15:31:08
Biased jim. yeah because they will totally want to take a massive pay cut to stay in toronto lmfao gtfoh. after signing tavares at 11 mil per season how do you expect them to even have to cap room to sign all the other 3? Nylanader is going to get around 7 million marner around 9 million and Matthew's around 11 million. how do you want them to pay the rest of the team? In the form of a case of beer? Lmfao if they get a great offer they will leave like tavares did.

Top shelf crappers. use your head. Ryan is top 6. puts up identical numbers to palat. only difference is 2.25 million overpayment. yet Ryan sucks and palat don't right? Go sell that garbage to someone who will actually buy it. I actually follow hockey and don't buy in to the trashy comments like that. I like most real hockey fans know exactly what Ryan is capable of and does for our team.

08 Jul 2018 15:51:24
There’s a better chance of Karlsson being waived by the sens for Extra cap room and being claimed by CSKA Moscow then the sens getting Point and Sergachev in the same deal.

Also I’m willing to bet my legs and arms that Mathews and Marner don’t sign an offer sheet.

08 Jul 2018 16:52:01
Unless the leafs move Marleau kadri brown rielly and Gardiner before they need to sign those 2 I'd gladly take a bet on that vbbvbb it's easy money.

Sens won't take any less than both those guys plus a 1st. they aren't taking another loss so get over it and stop overvaluing other teams players and undervaluing sens players.

08 Jul 2018 16:58:55
If you are proven wrong again Rambo, will you please leave this site? You just look to start sh*t every day.

08 Jul 2018 17:26:46
As shown on my other post penguins in 2014 signed 5 players- Crosby, Malkin, Neal, letang and fleury for 58.5 of the salary cap

Leafs could pay Nylander 6.5, matthews 11.25 ans marner 8.5 and that would mean they’re using 62% of their cap on 7 players - Tavares, Matthews, marner, Nylander, Kadri, Rielly and Andersen.
That’s how lol.

08 Jul 2018 17:36:36
I agree with leafs17, please just take a hike rambo. you're annoying to even senators fans, your insight is always a joke. saying things like "what bobby ryan brings to our team" and speaking of his capabilities or whatever, the guy is a cap dump. with 29 million dollars still left on his deal, he could be the biggest cap dump in the league. saying that you "actually follow hockey" could be debated by many on here, as you are inaccurate with mostly everything you say. your knowledge of the NHL and hockey in general is weak and you probably can't tell the difference between your ass and your face. and yet, we have to put up with your ignorance everyday.

08 Jul 2018 19:06:36
I won’t say another word on the Karlsson thing till he’s traded, but if Ottawa get ”atleast Point, Sergachev and a 1st” I will make a post saying Rambo was right and Dorian is a Jedi.

If they get what is actually realistic (a young roster player, prospect and 1st) then Rambo should admit he’s completely clueless and knock off the Sens boas BS.

08 Jul 2018 22:30:22
Ramo, take a hike. Kadri, Rielly, Brown are all on team friendly contracts. Its not going to happen.

09 Jul 2018 03:22:59
Leafs I ain't starting anything. the reason I joined this site is because I like reading rumors on my team but when I found this site all I seen was tracy 1 sided rumors that were more of a laugh than believable. 1 guys posts were respectable and even he don't post anymore so I needed to provide a voice for real hockey fans who wanted to see respectable rumors rather than the trash posted here.

And as for you facelift please don't mistake yourself for a Sens fan because that's a joke in itself. if you were you wouldn't be arguing with common sense. as for your Bobby Ryan comment, should we all band together and call the executives of NHL. com and tell them to fix their stats categories? Seeing as how you all love to argue how ryan ain't worth nothing shouldn't his stats reflect that at least? Because for someone ot worth anything his stats certainly don't reflect that in any way. teams want point. He provides points. Any arguments are POINTLESS and wrong!

07 Jul 2018 00:20:33
Three way trade

Ottawa trades: Erik Karlsson, 3rd round pick

Tampa Bay trades: Mikhail Sergachev, Tyler Johnson, Ryan Callahan, 2nd round pick, Taylor Raddysh

NYR trades: 6th round pick




Ottawa gets: Mikhail Sergachev, Tyler Johnson, Taylor Raddysh

Tampa Bay gets: Erik Karlsson

NYR gets: Ryan Callahan, 2nd round pick (TB), 3rd round pick (OTT)

07 Jul 2018 02:07:53
I think that's pretty fair/ realistic. Will have to wait and see.

07 Jul 2018 02:27:21
Point instead of radish makes more sense.

07 Jul 2018 03:37:09
This is very realistic in my opinion. I had to check to make sure you weren't posting a trade that actually happened.

07 Jul 2018 05:17:33
Not getting Sergachev AND Point Rambo lol.

07 Jul 2018 09:02:29
IF Yzerman includes Sergachev in a deal, don't make the mistake to think that he'd add a lot if anything.

07 Jul 2018 10:32:03
Triplets I think this is pretty close to what that trade was going to be. I had heard something like Sergachev, prospect (likely Raddysh), 2020 1st, 2020 2nd, Callahan and maybe Killorn all leaving Tampa in this deal.

08 Jul 2018 00:10:52
Karlsson is the one of or "The Best" defencemen in the world Do you really think any player is better than in on tampa? No, the only close player is Stamkos or kuch. Karlsson can easily take sergachev (top 2) max potential. Yea that's a good player but only 1/ 3 as good as Karlsson, Radish yes easily get him aswell, ( point maybe instead of him if Ottawa was trying to shift leverage, you guys keep saying Ottawa has none but you do know that Tampa Bay's Main Expiring Core Stamer and the others are not going to bethere forever and Toronto adding the addition of JT Well that just makes Yzermen want to make his team better by adding the best defencemen in the world to him team sure he will give up a couple of good prospects but Tampa has the best prospects in the NHL so they can afford to loose some for EK, Especially If They WANT TO KNOCK OFF THE LEAFS, Because there is No Chance Of Doing So WithOut EK65.

06 Jul 2018 04:12:59
If Tampa is trying to acquire Karlsson and keep Core:

TBL:5th round pick
NYR:Ryan Callahan (5.8Mx2)+2nd round pick

TBL:4th round pick
CBJ:Dan Girardi (3Mx1)+6th round pick

TBL:6th round pick
MIN:Brayden Coburn (3.7Mx1)+7th round pick

TBL:2nd round pick+3rd round pick
CAR:Tyler Johnson (5Mx6)

They free up 17.5M assuming they all waive their NTC

Sign and Trade

TBL:Karlsson (11Mx7)
OTT:Foote, Raddysh, Katchouk,2020 1st round pick,2021 2nd round pick

Is this enough for a signed Karlsson?

Next Years Lineup:

Miller-Stamkos-Kucherov
Palat-Point-Gourde
Killorn-Cirelli-Joseph
Conacher-Paquette-Andreoff

Hedman-Karlsson
McDonagh-Stralman
Sergachev-Dotchin

Vasilevskiy
Domingue.

06 Jul 2018 05:16:21
Why would Tampa do a sign and trade and not get 8 years.

06 Jul 2018 05:59:55
Im with Kobalis seems a little too much for giving up their future.. ottawa would need to take back a roster player with a reasonable salary

06 Jul 2018 10:51:06
I agreed on the 8 years and added my own input lol sounded dumb for a sec

06 Jul 2018 13:52:03
Kucherov couldn’t resign ( assuming he won’t take less then Karlsson ) after resigning McDonagh it kinda took away to add a star long term. My guess is he’ll just be a rental.

06 Jul 2018 14:26:04
Not even close for Karlsson. point sergachev and a 1st is a good starting point.

06 Jul 2018 15:19:24
Talks last night was kucherov could be traded elsewhere to make room for Karlsson and also recoup assets used to acquire Karlsson. As a leaf fan, I would be happy to see Tampa get Karlsson if it means lose kucherov. Karlsson is amazing, but with Hedman, McD, stralman and Sergachev, their blueline is already great. If they lose Kuch upfront, I’m much happier facing them. Without Kuch, If stamkos ever gets hurt or sick again, they’re so thin up front. Looking like 2 powerhouses in the Atlantic for years, I’d rather our crazy good forwards and weaker D face a great D core and weak forwards than a team with multiple game breakers up front and on the back end.

06 Jul 2018 15:26:32
Ottawa better insist that Sergachev be in the deal.

06 Jul 2018 15:32:08
On a lot of teams Karlsson can immediately make them twice as good. I don’t think that’s the case with Tampa. If he wants to be there, they should definitely try to make it work, but by the time they lose other good players, and pay assets to dump contracts, I honestly don’t know how much better they are overall. But interesting for sure. Especially if this happens, Karlssons wife will need to re-do a restraining order for the state of Florida because after sending Hoffman 1500miles away, they will be a cpl hours apart again and playing head to head opening night lol.

06 Jul 2018 16:09:40
@Unbiased Jim the idea seems ridiculous Stamkos + Kuch is a ridiculous line I’d rather keep kuch and run with the lineup they have. There team would look very similar to Nashville with Karlsson in- Kuch out.

06 Jul 2018 17:41:01
If they lose kuch just to get karlson they are idiots. I'd sooner trade stamkos then kucherov.

06 Jul 2018 18:04:54
@Habby, agreed. Stacking D is great if you can do it. But look at teams with what’s looked at as the deepest D cores in the league for the last 3-4 years (Calgary, Carolina, Anaheim, Nashville) and what they have accomplished. Only Nashville has had any success to speak of. As where teams with decent-good D cores but multiple game breakers up front (penguins, capitals, bruins, Tampa) have had far more success going deeper or even winning cups.

06 Jul 2018 19:45:15
A team only really need 2-3 really solid defensemen with 3 being okay. They’ll handle all the minutes, it’s at forward is where you need the fire power to keep pressuring and getting those scoring opportunities to win a cup imo need the depth up front for sure.

06 Jul 2018 20:08:24
Yeah if they were lacking on d I could almost see it but they should be ok I would think.

06 Jul 2018 20:10:23
100 point scorers don't exactly grow on trees these days lol.

06 Jul 2018 23:38:05
Only thing that makes sense to me is that Tampa has been the favourite in the division for a while. When leafs added Tavares and all the talk was that teams would have to put their top D on either Matthews or Tavares leaving the other one with an easy night.

Maybe this is yzermans way of responding. Then they can have Karlsson and hedman play together and dominate against the majority of teams and then separate them to match up against Tavares/ Matthews, Baxkstrom/ Kuznetsov and Crosby/ Malkin etc.

 
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