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11 Dec 2018 01:52:27
In the off-season

WPG: Trouba, Nogier
NYI: Pulock, Dobson

Jets get two decent RHD for the price of one really good one. Islanders get a #1 RHD.

11 Dec 2018 03:25:17
Jets want to contend now, no.

11 Dec 2018 03:27:39
Something like this might work if Trouba won't sign. The Isles may want something a bit better than Nogier though. We'll have to see what Islandjet says.

11 Dec 2018 12:30:24
Is he a UFA or RFA in the offseason?

11 Dec 2018 15:33:51
Trouba is still RFA at season's end.

11 Dec 2018 16:39:29
This would be good trade value for Trouba, but at the draft if he doesn't re-sign with the Jets by then. There will be at least a dozen teams that will make good offers to get Trouba.

30 Nov 2018 20:30:55
Toronto trades: Nylander

Islanders trade: cizikas, Pulock, 2nd rounder 2019

01 Dec 2018 00:21:36
i'd say it's fair.

01 Dec 2018 03:57:35
Pulock is a real minute muncher. Didn’t do a whole lot until last year when he came out of nowhere and had that outstanding breakout season. I’m pretty sure with both Dobson and Wilde in the system, Isles may be willing to part with Pulock. At this point, I think it would be in Leafs best interest to make a trade for a guy like Pulock. They obviously aren’t going to get that elite 1RHD they are seeking, and will have to settle for someone a tier or two down. Pukock is a good choice.

24 Nov 2018 22:41:13
NY Islanders Trade
Lee

Toronto Trades
Leivo
FGauthier
1st Round Pick 2019
4th Round Pick 2019

Thoughts ?

25 Nov 2018 00:03:54
Of the three big name IFA’s in NY this year, Lee is the one I have the hardest time seeing Islander’s move. They just named him their new captain, so I suspect they plan on keeping him around for a while.

25 Nov 2018 03:22:41
Why would leafs spend assets like that on forwards?! Have you been watching them play? That’s not their issue, unless it’s a gritty bottom 6 guy, Spend assets on D or keep the assets.

If Tavares was having a hard time finding chemistry with players here, then I could see the logic in getting someone he had success with in the past. But him and marner look like they have played together their whole lives. They’re money. Don’t mess with it.

18 Nov 2018 00:52:57
Mtl: Sherback

Isles: Dal Colle

Sherback is actually more nhl proven then Dal Colle but neither player has really break threw at mhl leve yet. Need change of scenery

18 Nov 2018 02:37:38
Rather keep Sherbac, I don't think DalColle is ever going to pan out. future for him is KHL. might be Sherbac as well, I think there is a little more hope for him still .

18 Nov 2018 23:48:52
Couple good candidates in need of a change of scenery for sure. Neither one is doing much for their current team, and it would be in both teams best interest to consider moving these guys while they can still get a return. DalColle looking pretty good in AHL this year. Maybe he can bring his A-game to Montreal?

19 Nov 2018 15:28:00
What has sherbak done to warrant being anything better than a low B prospect. He was drafted in 2014 the kids a career 4th liner at this point.

19 Nov 2018 17:43:37
He hasn't done anything Mclarty, I think DalColle hasn't done anything either. I jus think if one of those 2 can still get it together, its Sherbac . But I'm not really expecting it at this point.

17 Nov 2018 09:13:11
Worst GM in the league - Peter Chiarelli

EDM: Hall (2018 MVP)
NJ: Larsson

EDM: 15th Overall Pick 2015 (Barzal), 33rd Overall Pick 2015 (NYI moves up a bit but basically it was Beauvillier)
NYI: Reinhard (bust and taken by Vegas in the expansion draft)

EDM: Eberle
NYI: Strome (just got traded for Spooner)

2016: Signed Lucic to a 7 year $42M contract

I feel bad for Oilers fans - McDavid is great but your team won't get any better until Chiarelli is fired

17 Nov 2018 11:19:15
So which Gm do they hire to replace him that automatically makes the team better?

17 Nov 2018 12:04:10
Certainly Makes you wounder what could have been. can also add “what if Yakupov wasn’t a total bust” to that conversation.

17 Nov 2018 13:21:52
Nuge McDavid Barzel
Hall Drai _____
Would have been amazing

You forgot to mention part of the Eberle deal Was to free up a couple mil to over pay a few guys $500K each.
The 2018 MVP was actually McDavid. The MVP to his team was Hall tho. That's just the literal definition of the trophy not my words. Not down playing it just calling it what it is.

Since this topic has been beaten to death. Can anyone name all the good deal he has made? Or do we only focus on the bad deals. Petty sure we only focus on the bad tho.

17 Nov 2018 15:17:08
I agree I’d hire Dean Lombardi can’t be any worse then Charlie.

17 Nov 2018 15:43:21
I'd call up Yzerman and Coach Q. Ask if they're interested. Lol. Dream team there.

17 Nov 2018 17:32:53
Chiarelli is the reason why Bergevin even after the Weber trade is not the worst GM in the league imo.

17 Nov 2018 17:56:25
Even when I was on this topic before I said the Talbot deal was good. He hasn’t been great lately but never gave up roster players, good prospects or a 1st round pick and got a prime aged goalie who really looked like the solution for a while. Was fantastic in year 1.

Beyond that, I’m really not sure on any good ones. Lots of okay signings and small moves that never really made a big impact good or bad.

And for a replacement, Dean Lombardi is an obvious one, also Mike Futa has been on pretty much every short list of interviews I've seen for the last cpl years, but hasn’t been hired so I dunno what to think of that. He has been in LAs front office for a long time but only an AGM for a year or 2.

17 Nov 2018 18:39:44
Idk what the point of this post was so? But oilers need to hire some young wiz to be our gm similar to what Toronto has in Dubas.

17 Nov 2018 22:03:23
The same dean Lombardi who traded wayne simmonds and brayden schern for mike Richards or martin jones colin miller and a 1st for milan lucic?

17 Nov 2018 22:34:03
@habby, to be fair that dean lombardi won 2 cups after trading for mike Richards and he was a big part of them. With the lucic one, he was trying to milk Another cup out of that core and missed the mark for sure but had the sense to let him walk rather than give him the term he got. He wanted to keep him, lucic wanted to stay but he wouldn’t go more than 4 years, something I’m sure oilers fans wish PC said too.

Most fan basis would be okay making a bad deal here or there if the trade off was cups. He traded for gavorik and signed him there too, but he lead the league in scoring when they won the second cup. PC can’t say that with any of the bad moves in Edmonton and doesn’t look like he will be able to soon either. That’s the big difference I see.

18 Nov 2018 10:12:07
@ jim yeah Lombardi was a good Gm I'm just trying to show every gm has made bad moves. Even the almighty Stevie y made that Coburn trade. let's just say PC didn't make the eberle and hall trades then they would be about 5 mil over the cap now would have probably meant not being able to resign nurse. so I guess nurse and larsson for hall looks a little better lol.

18 Nov 2018 14:06:40
Yea and if he didn’t sign lucic to a boat anchor of a contract he could have kept them all.

18 Nov 2018 18:42:16
All GMs have good and bad moves, you’re right. It’s just the ratio with him that puts him in the conversation of worst. He’s had a cpl small wins, a bunch of close to evens and more than a handful of catastrophic losses. And then when it’s a known thing that he’s ‘easy to deal with’ from agents in the league apparently, that makes more sense. Was probably easy for Lucics agent to talk him into 7 years when that same dean lombardi said max 3 and then went a little outside his comfort zone to 4 years. All I do to judge a guys job is look what they had when they arrived, and look what they have today. He has a far less talented team, less high end assets to correct that and far less cap space than when he arrived. The only sure fire thing he has that’s better than anyone else is Mcdavid and you get no credit for drafting him or signing him because someone who never followed the NHL in their lives would have done that. Just like shanahan and Lou get no credit for Matthews. Pens GM gets no credit for Sid etc. It’s the other stuff that matters and it’s not good with him.

16 Nov 2018 05:18:23
New York Islanders:
RW - Jordan Eberle $6.00
LW - Brock Nelson $4.25
G - Thomas Greiss 3.33
1st Round Draft Pick 2019
2nd Round Draft Pick 2020

Columbus:
G - Sergei Bobrovsky $7.34
RW - Artemi Panarin $6.00
C - Nathan Gerbe $0.675

16 Nov 2018 14:48:02
Not even close for both Bob and Pan.

16 Nov 2018 19:54:09
I think if you’re talking about a resigned Panarin and Bob than this is way off, but if CBJ knows they’re going to lose both and are desperate to get SOMETHING, then it isn’t too bad.

17 Nov 2018 06:22:59
Kinda wierd proposal here. Most teams trade their UFA’s for picks/ prospects, not for another teams pending UFA’s.

Columbus definitely says no. If they are going for a cup this year, they will be wanting Bobrovsky in net. A hot goalie can take a team all the way, and who better to take a chance on than the goalie who is widely regarded by most to be the best in the league right now, and just so happens to be your own starting goalie?

17 Nov 2018 15:46:08
CLB is currently sitting 1st in their division and T5 in overall league standings. Think they will just roll with Pan man and Goalie Bob for the season now? Unless they take a huge stumble and are well out of the playoffs at deadline?

Think they trade ether then two or one of them during the season IF they continue to be top 3 in their division?
Interesting to watch how that goes down. Both have big value as rentals. 1st++ for both.

17 Nov 2018 15:46:27
1++ each I meant.

17 Nov 2018 18:59:26
I think letting those 2 walk for free, even if you’re a playoff team, is crazy. Trading your 2 best players (or 2 of the best 3 with Seth Jones) when you’re a playoff team would suck, but getting knocked out in the first or second round and get nothing would be far worse to me. I truly believe the Tavares signing is going to change a lot of GMs thinking on this kind of thing. Unless you’re a legit contender and can afford to see a guy like that walk, stars will be traded if an extension isn’t done by the trade deadline. With the leafs roster we were able to use guys like JVr and bozak as ‘own rentals’ but the jackets don’t have the leafs depth and JVR and Bozak are not Panarin/ Bobrovsky. Seguin would have been in the same boat and I bet he would have been traded come February if he didn’t sign.

03 Nov 2018 09:02:18
Toronto signs Nylander 8 years x 7.75M

NYI: Nylander, Marleau
Tor: Lee

Dubas continues to go all in and collect more UFA's . Manages to cap dump Marleau.

03 Nov 2018 18:29:48
Lmao bru.

03 Nov 2018 21:58:08
Maybe we can trade them Tavares for Filpulla too while were at it?

20 Oct 2018 21:10:18
Deal now:
To Carolina:
Nylander, Durzi, Marincin, Neilson
To Leafs:
Pesce, Foegele, Zykov

In January (for cap space and for defence improvement)
To NYI:
2019 1st, Zaitsev, Leivo
To Leafs:
Pulock, possible pick/prospect depending on Pulock's play, Zaitsev's play, and Leivo's play up to that point

Deadline deal
To Columbus:
Gardiner (extension from Columbus required), condtional 2020 1st (becomes 2nd, 2021 3rd if Panarin doesn't re-sign), Brown, 2019 4th
To Leafs:
Panarin (he will be cheaper to get by this point)

Lines:
Marleau/Matthews/Panarin
Hyman/Tavares/Marner
Foegele/Kadri/Kapanen
Johnsson/Lindholm/Zykov
*Ennis, Gauthier
Reilly/Pulock
Dermott/Pesce
Hainsey/Ozhiganov
*Holl
Anderson
Sparks

Cmon how could you not love that team?
Scratched players all under $700 thousand

Solid 4th line and each player under 1mill

Third line of hard workers that can score and take on other teams top lines

And the other two are nothing special, just so we can throw a team together 😂

People seemed to like this on the leafs rumours site, so I wanted to branch out a bit and get more opinions

21 Oct 2018 01:40:08
I’d make all of those trades from a leafs POV.

21 Oct 2018 08:41:03
So if VB says he'd do all those trades from a Leafs POV, this prolly tells you all you need to know about whether those trades are fair.

21 Oct 2018 14:04:19
coming from the guy who thinks Stamkos>Mathews and Crosby—>Fantasy league.

21 Oct 2018 22:45:10
But Stamkos IS better than Mathews 🤔

Mathews: 69, 63 point seasons
Stamkos: 46, 95, 91, 97, 57, 40, 72, 64, 20, 86,
Mathews was injured 20 games season #2 and Stamkos was injured half or so of season #5, 6, 9.
Mathews 1 - 40 goal season
Stamkos 4 - 40+ goal season, 1 is 51 and 1 is 60.
Not sure how you argue those numbers.

22 Oct 2018 03:01:01
Ok but Matthews also missed about a quarter of the season last year, he would’ve hit 70 for sure and probably 75, maybe even 80.

22 Oct 2018 04:05:43
You can’t argue those numbers. Stamkos has been a stud for years and leaf fans can only hope Matthews has a career as good as Stamkos.

22 Oct 2018 09:38:06
"coming from the guy who thinks Stamkos>Mathews and Crosby—>Fantasy league. "
Well #1 I literally never said anything about that since that never was a topic and #2 as pointed out above by others, Stamkos has had an impressive career. This season so far, Matthews is the better player, no doubt.

22 Oct 2018 17:31:09
It’s funny how my posts are always used for arguing about stuff not related to it.

16 Oct 2018 23:13:15
to NYI
Nylander

to Toronto
Pulock
2nd.

24 Sep 2018 20:03:29
Calgary: Bennett

Islanders: Ho-Sang.

24 Sep 2018 21:59:51
Not terrible. Bennett is a safer player. He will play in the NHL in some capacity for sure. Whether he puts it together and starts scoring like he should, or be a more specialized penalty killer bottom 6. HoSang on the other hand is a riskier pick. Kinda reminds me of rob Schremp. All the skill in the world but not the work ethic or attitude to succeed maybe. However if you trade a bottom 6 guy for HoSang and he grows up, could be a steal.

25 Sep 2018 01:30:45
Interesting. I think NYI says yes. And Calgary decides if Jankowski can be a solid third line center and if Ho/ Sang would for with Tkuchuk and Backlund or with Jankowski.
I think his speed and skill with Tkuchuk and Backlund could be pretty good. Then Frolik on a third line with Jamkowski. Solid third. Johny Mono Lindholm as a top line. Interesting.

25 Sep 2018 15:32:42
I like the deal, gives both players a change of scenery and maybe will be good for both players, But I think NYI would want more as I feel the new management looks highly on Ho Sang and want to give him a chance to prove himself.

25 Sep 2018 16:23:39
Pkane well ho sang was just recently cut by islanders so I don’t quite think they are too high on him yet, but with saying that I also read he did have a good camp. But Bennett like said before is a sure lock to play top 6 for an nhl team so while ho sang might have more offensive potential, Bennett is atleat nhl caliber now so I don’t think islanders would want more.

25 Sep 2018 18:39:31
There’s the story of Lou with Kadri in Toronto that could apply. He was having off ice issues and had been suspended by his own management and apparently Lou had a Dinner with Naz and his dad. Kinda laid everything out, saying it’s sink or swim time, and it’s last shot to grow up and be a part of the core. He did and next off season was rewarded with the 6 year deal that he has outproduced each year. So maybe Lou needs to do a similar type thing with HoSang before trading him for pennies on the dollar, because we would not have got a ton for Kadri at that point and if the trade was the wake up call he needed and he was scoring 30+ goals for another team while we got very little back, it would sting.

12 Sep 2018 23:47:33
At the June 2019 Draft.

WPG: Trouba
NYI: Dobson, 1st Round Pick 2019

13 Sep 2018 03:38:36
So no from islanders. Lol.

13 Sep 2018 05:24:20
Another trade that doesn't help a contending team like the Jets at all. It would need to be a roster defenseman and/ or Dobson or the pick depending on the roster player. The Jets can't afford to give away a top pairing defenseman for a player who may never be as good and a pick.

Every one here will whine about Dobson's draft position, but a 12thOA pick isn't a lock to turn into a top pairing defenseman, just look at Nurse.

13 Sep 2018 15:45:52
This could look good for the Jets at the trade deadline if they can't resign Trouba and Dobson continues to develop his game. I still believe that there would be over 1/ 2 the teams in the NHL that would make the Jets a serious trade package for Trouba, and he could be worth more than this offer.

13 Sep 2018 21:25:35
I still don’t understand how and why you guys believe Trouba is worth so much.

13 Sep 2018 21:37:43
@McJesus, young, top pairing RHD is the hardest thing to find in the NHL along with 1C. That's why Trouba would be expensive to acquire.

07 Sep 2018 21:54:29
Mtl) Patch
Nyi) Eberle or Ho-Sang

08 Sep 2018 17:43:12
honestly. this is one of the better ones I've seen.

08 Sep 2018 18:22:23
I’d say ho-sang makes more sense age and salary wise. And getting that kinda young potential for patches would be a good idea, I just don’t know if they want the only piece coming back for a good player having a questionable attitude and work ethic. If he doesn’t get along with coaches or teammates right of the hop, that’s a disaster.

08 Sep 2018 20:44:14
If it’s ho sang islanders add more considering he hasn’t proved a thing and isle are getting a proven scorer.

03 Sep 2018 22:12:08
Jackets trade: Panarin, Murray

Islanders trade: Lee, Pulock

What do you guys think?

04 Sep 2018 02:10:57
Terrible.

04 Sep 2018 03:56:14
Wtf is your problem even posting this.

04 Sep 2018 03:56:28
Lol sorry was rude there. This is just bad.

04 Sep 2018 14:54:58
thats pretty close I like it, especially the part where lee+pulock wouldn't even get you panarin much less adding murray.

04 Sep 2018 21:20:43
columbus downgrades in both positions, although you already knew that didn't you.

05 Sep 2018 04:36:22
Actually they don't downgrade on defence pulock is a way better piece then murray.

10 Aug 2018 21:15:55
Toronto: Josh Leivo

NYI: Micheal Del Colle

Toronto- gives Leivo a new chance considering there is no use for him in their organization. Del Colle could Battle Timoshov/Bracco for a top 6 spot on the Marlies. He has lots of talent but his draft position was to high.

Islanders- get a proven depth forward who can slot in on the third line or be a top line player in the AHL. He's really a player you can plug into any situation. Could be a full time NHLer with the right opportunity.

10 Aug 2018 21:21:58
I think if Lou believed in him enough to trade a former top 5 pick for him, he would have forced Babcock a little harder to get him in some games. This one I would do from leafs perspective for sure because dal Colle is still young enough. But ideally, we get a pick, free up a roster spot and use both at the deadline if there’s a need to address.

10 Aug 2018 21:43:32
I don’t think the top 5 pick tital holds much value if he’s not considered a bust I’m not sure what is. I doubt he could bring back more then what Edmonton got for Yakapov. I just want to see leivo get a chance in a new organization I don’t care what they get.

11 Aug 2018 01:22:46
Del colle has really looked bad hey. I wonder what the problem is with him.

11 Aug 2018 02:10:44
I know the top 5 doesn’t hold much anymore. Just don’t see them giving him up for Leivo. New management so they aren’t connected to that pick like Snow was, but he still just turned 22 and some of those power forwards take a bit of time. Don’t see them moving him for a guy that Lou just had for the last 3 years and he never made that team.

I want to see Leivo get a chance somewhere too tho.

11 Aug 2018 04:53:19
I think this year could still be a make or break year for him though. He was never the fastest skater but wasn't by no means slow. his stick handeling and overall puck skills were great when he was in junior I thought for sure he'd be a full time nhl forward by now.

11 Aug 2018 05:29:41
It looks like Del Colle is a career AHL/ Euro player but if he has the passion you never know.

11 Aug 2018 05:38:08
Dal Colles main problem is skating. Watching him play it seems he's carrying cement in his skates.

05 Aug 2018 00:06:56
New York Islanders:
Brock Nelson+David Quenneville

Minnesota Wild:
Jonas Brodin+5th pick (2019)

With Boychuk aging, Islanders could use defensive help. Minnesota could use some extra scoring and Nelson's contract isn't as much a burden.

05 Aug 2018 17:17:31
And Minnesota does this why?

28 Jul 2018 05:19:40
Islanders: Ryan Pulock, 2nd 2019, 3rd 2019

Montreal: Pacioretty.

29 Jul 2018 15:45:08
It's really not bad. I think the habs would prefer a lhd though.

30 Jul 2018 00:51:57
Bad for NYI.

30 Jul 2018 13:51:10
I'd do it for pulock tbh.

30 Jul 2018 13:52:04
Good for both sides imo. i'm a mlt fan that's really like Patches although I think him being stranded for guy younger defensemen wouldn't be a bad thing.

23 Jul 2018 23:31:15
WPG: Trouba
NYI: Bellows, Dobson

24 Jul 2018 04:19:13
Good players, but the Jets would need a roster player back. They can't take an all futures trade for Trouba.

24 Jul 2018 05:09:54
Agree jets are in win now mode.

24 Jul 2018 05:53:59
No from NYI. Those will be core players in the next few years for the islanders.

24 Jul 2018 12:46:52
No from both. Islanders need those guys to build a new core around Barzal instead of one year of Trouba before another contract fight, and jets need players to win now.

24 Jul 2018 13:46:41
As much as I would like to say no to this trade, if Poolman can step up to be a regular on the Jets roster I would make this trade. The Jets would be getting 2 A prospects and rid themselves of a headache in Troubas agent. I'm not sure NYI would want to give up 2 key pieces of their future.

24 Jul 2018 15:12:12
Bellows is overrated imo he had a great world juniors but aside from that he’s been underwhelming.

11 Jul 2018 07:05:29
Islanders trade: Lee, pulock, ho sang, 2nd round pick 2019

Blue jackets trade: Panarin, Murray

What do you guys think about this?

11 Jul 2018 12:27:40
that package might get you panarin.

08 Jul 2018 16:48:53
Montreal receive: Callahan, 2020 2nd
Tampa bay receive: 2019 6th

Montreal receive: Beauvillier, Ho-Sang, 2nd 2019
Islanders receive: Pacioretty, Shaw (25% retained), 4th 2020

Montreal receive: 3rd 2019
Florida receive: Callahan (50% retained)

Domi Danualt Gallagher
Drouin Beauvillier Hudon
Lehkonen Peca Scherbak
Byron Plek Ho-Sang.

09 Jul 2018 03:24:13
Decent trade buds.

07 Jul 2018 18:19:55
Ok so Tampa and Ottawa are close to a deal but Tampa want a 3rd or maybe even 4th team involved to dump some cap so.

Ott : sergachev, point, Johnson, nyi 1st

Tbl : Karlsson, white, ott 3rd, nyr 6th

Nyi : palat, Ryan, pageau, tbl 2nd

Nyr : Callahan, tbl 3rd

Rangers get a fan favorite back plus upgrade their pick for next to nothing

Islanders get 2 top 6 guys with scoring touch to fill the void left by tavares plus a serviceable 3rd line center by downgrading their 1st to a 2nd

Ottawa gets a 1st back plus 2 promising young talents bu taking on Johnson's cap to replace Ryan's

Tampa dumps a bunch of cap but upgrades a late 3rd to what will prob be an early 3rd plus they get a 6th a high end prospect who will fit nicely with them and oh yeah the best defenceman in the world.

Killorn stamkos kucherov
Gourd miller cirelli

Hedman Karlsson
Mcdonagh Girardi

Deadly at both ends.

07 Jul 2018 19:07:28
Islander and rangers get hose very bad.

07 Jul 2018 19:29:22
Aiii this makes no sense so lemme break it down:

TB Acquires: Karlsson, White, 3rd, 6th
TB Trades: Serg, Point, Johnson, Palat, Callahan, 2nd, 3rd

OTT Acquires: Sergachev, Point, Johnson, 1st
OTT Trades: Karlsson, White, Ryan, Pageau, 3rd

NYI Acquires: Palat, Ryan, Pageau, 2nd
NYI Trades: 1st

NYR Trades: 6th
NYR Acquires: Callahan, 3td

Okay. putting into perspective, ottawa, as per usual with rambo propsosals, fleeces everyone. You get potentially a top5 pick, serg and point for EK w one year left, a terrible contract that will take at least a 1st to get rid off, some throw aways and colin white.

Lets say white = johnson.
pageaus worth nothing in the grand scheme of things; karlsson gets one of serg or point and a 1st (NOT AN NYI FIRST THAT COULD BE TOP10), and ryan takes away value from the deal. that's a ripoff by Ottawa.

tampa gets fleeced too, downgrading from Johnson to White, and then basically all of their youth and a 60 pount winger in Palat for EK. that's not even close to fair. Sure they get rid of callahan but his contract is MUCH easier to get rid of than Ryans, and Ottawa got more value back that way in the proposed deal. And don't tell me Callahans contract is worse and weighs down the deal. Ryans contractis 10x worse.

and nyi doesn't make that deal that pixk can be top10 and nobody wants ryan.

and itll take more to entice NYR to take Callahan.

07 Jul 2018 20:27:56
Islanders take on a brutal contract, a 3rd liner and a decent player that won’t help their case rebuilding and in return take their first rounder (probably top 5) and downgrade to Tampa’s 2nd (should be 55-62). Lol this is awful.

In reality Bobby Ryan is nothing more than a bad contract which the islanders can take but would want a first rounder to do it.

On your mind he’s still a good player. which hurts their rebuild.

Either way you just involved the islanders to help the senators, not themselves lol.

07 Jul 2018 20:50:07
You're setting yourself up for a major disappointment again.

07 Jul 2018 22:31:37
There is absolutely no chance that Karlsson goes for any less than both sergachev and point plus a 1st so get over you unrealistic expectations. Ottawa lost enough trades and getting fleeced on this one is simply not an option.

On top of all that Tampa is up against the cap with or with getting Karlsson as kucherov is up for a huge raise soon and point sergachev cirelli and gourds will also be getting substantial raises. with 3 million in space how do you propose they pull it off?

Tampa after this type of deal can afford to sign EK and give kucherov his raise plus have enough down the road for gourde and cirelli plus they get a future replacement for Johnson in white.

Rangers hardly get fleeced when all they give up is a 6th and in return they get back a fan favourite and a 3rd they come out great and Tampa dumps a bad contract.

Ottawa gets value for value and dumps an overpayed/ not bad contract in Ryan.

Islanders get 2 guys who consistantly get 50+ points a season and a playoff performer 3rd line center by downgrading a 1st to a 2nd.

No matter how you look at it no team gets fleeced in this.

Ottawa gets a future

Tampa forms the realist defence in the league without losing its stride up front and dumps a lot of un needed cap

Islanders get a few pieces to lessen the blow of losing tavares

Rangers basically get something for nothing as a 6th making it in NHL is basically a what? 5% chance?

All teams get better after this.

And fyi no way in hell Johnson equals white. Johnson been going downhill and is slightly overpayed just like Ryan. Tampa is actually trying to move him anyway with or without ek trade.

Plus both rangers and islanders have more than enough cap space to take on these contracts after these last 6 months.

08 Jul 2018 00:49:06
Unbiased jim how does this not help the islanders? They are not in rebuild and are set to offer a huge offer sheet to either Matthew's or marner next season. don't you think either of those guys will want someone to play with? A top 6 of 1 of those 2, barzal, eberle, bailey, Lee, and either Palat, or Ryan sounds pretty solid to me and 1 of those guys on 3rd line with pageau gives massive depth. a team like that wouldn't need a rebuild for a while. and that's not even counting wahlstrom who will also be joining the team eventually this trade definately makes the islanders strong enough to be a playoff team this season and if they land one of the big toronto 2 next season they'll be even crazier.

Then you got the rangers who have tons of cap space and essentially give a useless pick to get a decent pick and a guy who is familiar with their team. again rangers get stronger too.

Tampa needs to dump a contract or 2 for kucherov to be affordable anyway so why not dump 3 huge contracts and bring in the top defenseman in the world to boot. on top of that point sergachev gourde cireli and Miller are going to want big raises as well when contracts are up and there is no way tamp can afford all 5 so it makes sense to use 2 to get a huge piece that can put them over the edge like Karlsson can by jacking up their defence and giving the younger guys they still would have a shot at more ice time it's obvious that Tampa is not only more affordable after the deal but also much stronger for it plus with all the guys moving out white gets a shot to join NHL roster much sooner.

I for one as a true Sens fan would consider any less than a trade involving point and sergachev type players and a 1st round pick a massive loss on Sens part. a loss that cannot be allowed after every other garbage trade Dorian has made.

08 Jul 2018 04:41:03
Thanks topshelf for putting that into english for everyone, and you're right ottawa wins every trade proposal rambo makes by a landslide.

08 Jul 2018 07:57:53
Rambo, you’re an idiot. If Matthews and marner want good players to play with, they sign with Toronto and get each other, Tavares, Nylander, marleau, Kadri, Rielly, Gardiner etc to play with lol

If you think either of them leave the leafs right now to go to the islanders you’re dumber than I thought.

Secondly you say no way Karlsson gets traded unless Sergachev AND Point are coming back?! I take that bet all day long. You will be dead wrong again like always

And I love “Sens have lost too many trades lately, they can’t lose this one too! ” It’s the same owner and same GM that made the rest of the trades haha why would you expect different?!

08 Jul 2018 14:05:24
RYAN SUCKS. GET OVER IT. HE MAKES THE TRADE VALUE DROP IMMENSELY.

You know why the TB/ OTT deal didn’t happen some nights ago? Because your stupid ownerr wanted to include RYan too and NOBODYYYYY wants his LUDRICIS comtract.

Arguing with you is like arguing with a brick wall. Get over it man. You aren't getting Point, Johnson, Sergachev and a top 10 pick for EK and Pageau, as Ryan basically neglects White.

08 Jul 2018 15:31:08
Biased jim. yeah because they will totally want to take a massive pay cut to stay in toronto lmfao gtfoh. after signing tavares at 11 mil per season how do you expect them to even have to cap room to sign all the other 3? Nylanader is going to get around 7 million marner around 9 million and Matthew's around 11 million. how do you want them to pay the rest of the team? In the form of a case of beer? Lmfao if they get a great offer they will leave like tavares did.

Top shelf crappers. use your head. Ryan is top 6. puts up identical numbers to palat. only difference is 2.25 million overpayment. yet Ryan sucks and palat don't right? Go sell that garbage to someone who will actually buy it. I actually follow hockey and don't buy in to the trashy comments like that. I like most real hockey fans know exactly what Ryan is capable of and does for our team.

08 Jul 2018 15:51:24
There’s a better chance of Karlsson being waived by the sens for Extra cap room and being claimed by CSKA Moscow then the sens getting Point and Sergachev in the same deal.

Also I’m willing to bet my legs and arms that Mathews and Marner don’t sign an offer sheet.

08 Jul 2018 16:52:01
Unless the leafs move Marleau kadri brown rielly and Gardiner before they need to sign those 2 I'd gladly take a bet on that vbbvbb it's easy money.

Sens won't take any less than both those guys plus a 1st. they aren't taking another loss so get over it and stop overvaluing other teams players and undervaluing sens players.

08 Jul 2018 16:58:55
If you are proven wrong again Rambo, will you please leave this site? You just look to start sh*t every day.

08 Jul 2018 17:26:46
As shown on my other post penguins in 2014 signed 5 players- Crosby, Malkin, Neal, letang and fleury for 58.5 of the salary cap

Leafs could pay Nylander 6.5, matthews 11.25 ans marner 8.5 and that would mean they’re using 62% of their cap on 7 players - Tavares, Matthews, marner, Nylander, Kadri, Rielly and Andersen.
That’s how lol.

08 Jul 2018 17:36:36
I agree with leafs17, please just take a hike rambo. you're annoying to even senators fans, your insight is always a joke. saying things like "what bobby ryan brings to our team" and speaking of his capabilities or whatever, the guy is a cap dump. with 29 million dollars still left on his deal, he could be the biggest cap dump in the league. saying that you "actually follow hockey" could be debated by many on here, as you are inaccurate with mostly everything you say. your knowledge of the NHL and hockey in general is weak and you probably can't tell the difference between your ass and your face. and yet, we have to put up with your ignorance everyday.

08 Jul 2018 19:06:36
I won’t say another word on the Karlsson thing till he’s traded, but if Ottawa get ”atleast Point, Sergachev and a 1st” I will make a post saying Rambo was right and Dorian is a Jedi.

If they get what is actually realistic (a young roster player, prospect and 1st) then Rambo should admit he’s completely clueless and knock off the Sens boas BS.

08 Jul 2018 22:30:22
Ramo, take a hike. Kadri, Rielly, Brown are all on team friendly contracts. Its not going to happen.

09 Jul 2018 03:22:59
Leafs I ain't starting anything. the reason I joined this site is because I like reading rumors on my team but when I found this site all I seen was tracy 1 sided rumors that were more of a laugh than believable. 1 guys posts were respectable and even he don't post anymore so I needed to provide a voice for real hockey fans who wanted to see respectable rumors rather than the trash posted here.

And as for you facelift please don't mistake yourself for a Sens fan because that's a joke in itself. if you were you wouldn't be arguing with common sense. as for your Bobby Ryan comment, should we all band together and call the executives of NHL. com and tell them to fix their stats categories? Seeing as how you all love to argue how ryan ain't worth nothing shouldn't his stats reflect that at least? Because for someone ot worth anything his stats certainly don't reflect that in any way. teams want point. He provides points. Any arguments are POINTLESS and wrong!

 
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