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22 Oct 2018 07:24:29
EDM - Ryan Strome + 1st Rd Pick
MTL - Paul Byron

EDM - Milan Lucic + 5th Rd Pick
PIT - Carl Hagelin

Edmonton gets faster, pittsburgh gets tougher, montreal gets depth down the middle and a pick.

Nugent-Hopkins - McDavid - Rattie
Byron - Draisaitl - Puljujärvi
Hagelin - Cagguila - Yamamoto
Khaira - Brodziak - Kassian

And as a cool experiment it would be cool to see them try out a really speedy line


Carl Hagelin - Connor McDavid - Paul Byron

22 Oct 2018 12:05:46
Ryan Strome and a 1st for Byron? Ok!

22 Oct 2018 15:10:48
Might as well make it a 4 way trade and throw in Seabrook and Loui Eriksson to Pittsburgh as well.

22 Oct 2018 19:03:47
That’s a tough choice, eh Sosa?! Haha.

22 Oct 2018 21:46:30
Was going to get greedy and say add Klefbom as well, but figured. jus take it and run lol.

23 Oct 2018 04:30:48
Add Klefbom lol.

21 Oct 2018 17:37:24
Habs Hudon
Tampa Cirelli + Callahan (huge cap dump)

Tatar Danault Gallagher
Drouin Cirelli Domi
Byron Kotkaniemi Armia
Peca Plekanec Deslauriers

Rielly Weber
Mete Petry
Alzner Juulsen

21 Oct 2018 21:36:05
Wouldn't it be just as we'll to just keep hudon. I don't see any reason to take on bad contracts just cause we can afford to.

22 Oct 2018 01:06:42
Rather keep Hudon.

22 Oct 2018 09:35:38
TB doesn't do this either. Just 1 year left on Callahans deal after this season and TB is fine capwise this year. No need to ship out Cirelli in that deal.

21 Oct 2018 09:56:12
Might be a little biased as a Habs fan but this works for both teams.

Leafs - Nylander

Habs - Petry (50% retained), Scherbak, Brooks, 4th

Petry = number 2-3 dman on most teams (if you disagree then please watch a habs game), and is a steal at 2.25 million for 3 years
Scherbak = very talented but can't seem to make it work in Montreal
Brooks = decent prospect, won't be anything special but will most likely make the NHL
4th = throw in

Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Marleau - Matthews - Scherbak
Johnsson - Kadri - Kapanen
Brown - Lindholm - Ennis

Reilly - Petry
Gardiner - Zaitsev
Dermott - Hainsey.

21 Oct 2018 10:00:32
Habs lines:

Drouin - Domi - Nylander
Tatar - Danault - Gallagher
Lehkonen - Kotka - Armia
Byron - Pleky - Hudon

Reilly - Weber
Mete - Juulsen
Ouellet - Benn

Byron on the 4th is rough, but it gives the team scoring options on all 4 lines.

21 Oct 2018 12:27:11
Dump the 4th to a2nd imo. Brook (the dman right) is good, Scherbak is basically Kapanen 2.0 which i don't mind and Petry at 50% is solid for our blueline. Just bump that pick. You might need a little more because teams normally don’t trade young blossoming players to rivals.

21 Oct 2018 14:00:57
There is no way Leafs Trade Nylander within their division.

21 Oct 2018 15:52:07
Although I like Nylander. I still don't like him at 8+million per.
I also am reluctant to deal Brook,

21 Oct 2018 16:09:45
Tempting

Petry sucks, but he’s better than Hainsey, and is worth the $2.25. Scherbak can’t even make Montreal, so I have a very hard time seeing him crack Leafs lineups. It’s still too early to say for sure, but Brook looks to be like he is going to make it as top 4 RHD. He’d be a real nice prospect player to add.

I’m not seeing anything here that would turn Dubas on. It’s a mediocre defenseman and some mediocre prospects. Nylander is 1RW and would have an immediate impact on Montreal. He’s worth more.

21 Oct 2018 21:30:08
change the 4th to a 1st at minimum, for nylander to get traded to a rival it would take overpayment. and even that package with 1st would be a steal.

21 Oct 2018 22:38:51
Petry a #2/3 on "most" teams. Lol 😂😂. Talk about a VBB over exaggeration here.

"Some"* teams.

22 Oct 2018 04:24:25
Too much for nylander.

22 Oct 2018 13:40:09
Sherbak is not kappanen 2.0, not sure how you came to that and petry is a 5-6 on the leafs d. Leafs pass and to trade nylander in the division would cost Montreal a lot, more than they would be willing to pay. Even though nylander would be there best player.

22 Oct 2018 18:13:01
I think Petry is a lot better than people give him credit for on this site. He would be nice on the leafs blue line, especially at that price.
My problem is i don't want to pay Nylander $8M+ and to be honest, without a star lining up beside him we don't know what his production would really be. His value to the habs would be his ability to C, also something we haven't really seen.
My guess - He will be on a bridge deal soon with the leafs and a NTC i would imagine.

22 Oct 2018 19:06:41
Number 5 or 6 on leafs D that's a good one lol.

20 Oct 2018 16:58:58
3 team)
Mtl Poehling- min
Min Spurgeon- tor
Tor Kadri- Mtl

20 Oct 2018 17:03:25
Lolol. Peohling doesn't get you Kadri. Tor and Min would just cut Mtl out of the deal and make a deal themselves if anything.

20 Oct 2018 17:50:58
Mtl takes and run.

20 Oct 2018 20:39:40
Yeah, i don’t want to trade Kadri, but it might have to happen eventually. But no way Montreal is involved in this deal haha back to back 30 goal years at $4.5 mill for 4 more years and can be a very effective matchup centre as well. And spurgeon is a good skating puck moving RHD. Where does Poehling fit in the conversation with those 2? Lol

Drouin ——> Edmonton
Nurse ——> Nashville
Shane Bowers ——> Montreal

How’s that one look to you?

20 Oct 2018 22:49:35
Leafs definitely say no to trading Kadri for Spurgeon, who is above average age in NHL, well below average sized, and whose contract costs more, and expires two year earlier, than Kadri’s.

20 Oct 2018 23:37:33
I like Poheling but lol he sticks out like a sore thumb In this trade.

20 Oct 2018 23:47:51
Wow what a steal for Minny (sarcasm)

21 Oct 2018 01:55:38
I think all 3 teams involved say no.
If Habs were a better team and contender, then hell ya.

18 Oct 2018 03:25:06
Mtl Primeau
Det) Hronek or Cholowski

18 Oct 2018 15:34:24
As good as primeau has looked I wouldn't trade him as of now. could potentially be a real good starter in 3 years.

17 Oct 2018 15:24:03
Mtl:Gallagher,2019

Tor:Nylander@8.2million×8

17 Oct 2018 16:23:10
Nope - just not worth that much money.

17 Oct 2018 17:48:26
One of the funniest suggestions yet.

17 Oct 2018 22:49:06
So no from habs?

17 Oct 2018 22:34:42
What’s the 2019? And I’m assuming no habs fan wants to pay Nylander $8.2 million after leafs fans who like him have said for months he’s worth no more than $7 mill max.

17 Oct 2018 22:39:19
2019 what? Doesn't matter habs wouldn't do it anyway.

18 Oct 2018 00:31:58
2 rd pick 2019.

18 Oct 2018 03:22:09
Nylander is prob better than a Gallagher
But Gallagher is the soul carrier of this team
So no from habs.

18 Oct 2018 18:59:38
Neither team makes this trade. Nylander is not worth that much either.

18 Oct 2018 21:53:26
You’re joking right? Nylander put up back to back 60 point seasons and Brendan has never done it once. To say he’s
Not worth him is an absolute joke. Nylander would instantly be mtls best player by a landslide. Leafs pass Gallagher is a little rat that overachieved last year. Also nylanders ceiling destroys Gallagher’s. Wake up clowns.

19 Oct 2018 10:03:03
@ mclraty if he's so good go tell your GM to sign him already so we can stop hearing about it.

17 Oct 2018 00:42:02
Bergevin wants Nylander and has room under the cap.

Mtl:Mete,2rd pick 2019×2, Hudon

Toronto:Nylander(sign at 8,2 million×8

17 Oct 2018 02:43:31
No from the leafs! Not enough coming back despite his good you think Mete Hudon is.

17 Oct 2018 04:18:39
I like him. but not at 8 million.

17 Oct 2018 12:21:25
Organizational depth on left D is our weakest position right now. Plus I wouldn't want to pay nylander 8.2 mil per.

17 Oct 2018 17:49:49
Nylander not worth the money the pick or the players.

17 Oct 2018 18:09:25
He would instantly be Montreal’s best player. If he signs for 7-7.5 he’s worth it.

17 Oct 2018 22:35:27
Nothing great enough coming back for leafs to do it and that’s a big cap hit for habs to commit to for him. Don’t think either team would be to enthusiastic about this.

14 Oct 2018 23:01:24
Mtl Petry gallagher julsen

Tor nylander gardneir

Tor hainsey 1 rd pick or sandin

Canucks edler

Hyman mathews gallagher
Marlue tavars marner
Kappenen kadri brown

Rielly juslen
Elder petry
Dermont nikta z

15 Oct 2018 00:40:42
Edler lol.

15 Oct 2018 03:59:47
Did you post this just to get jim and Habby started again?

14 Oct 2018 16:52:30
Montreal Canadiens:

•) Brendan Gallagher

•) 1st Round Pick 2019

•) 2nd Round Pick 2020 if Nylander Ressigns


Toronto Maple Leafs:

•) William Nylander.

14 Oct 2018 17:33:36
No from Montreal. They shouldn't trade their 1st.
What do you mean by "if Nylander resigns"? Lol. They going to trade for him when he's not signed then just not sign him? That's funny.

14 Oct 2018 17:40:28
Habs wouldn't do gallahger straight up so ahhhhhh no!

14 Oct 2018 17:53:44
That condition is useless because if he’s not signed, they don’t even touch this. They wouldn’t give up a player like Gallagher just to talk to Nylander, definitely not Gallagher and a 1st!

14 Oct 2018 19:39:20
Lol wouldn't trade him up straight up? You sure about that?

14 Oct 2018 19:49:34
@ unsportsmanlike yeah 100% sure you seem to forget gallahger is already on a good contract.

14 Oct 2018 20:17:25
Unsportsmanlike, this what he’s become. He is now the habs VBB lol he’s just going to say outrageous one sided things assuming he’s fighting the good fight. Lol.

14 Oct 2018 20:42:50
Ok mr high and mighty jim if the situation was reverse you woulldnt do it either. Gallagher at 4 mil less for about the same production. Yeah I must be a real dick. Show some class for a change man.

14 Oct 2018 21:16:37
Gallagher brings so much more then points although he does contribute in both goals ( 30 goal scorer last year) and points. he's also a huge leader for habs and play a gritty fast pace game.

14 Oct 2018 21:20:04
Same production?! Lol Gallagher, 26 years old, is in his 7th NHL season and has never broke 60 pts. Nylander, 22 years old, has had 2 NHL seasons and has never not hit 60 pts. You’re embarrassing yourself. Have a nap and clear your head. Come back when your not so cranky.

14 Oct 2018 21:25:04
Ding ding! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY!
Fight fight fight. Haha. You two are fun.

14 Oct 2018 21:41:43
BoomBoom. I agree with you. I like the way Gallagher plays, I think he does wear his heart on his sleeve and teams need that. But saying he’s worth more than a 22 year old with a way higher ceiling is not close to reality.

14 Oct 2018 22:16:51
Nylander hasn't ever come close to scoring 30 goals that can go either way. and at 4 mil less I'll just keep gallahger thank you. Go try and convince someone who doesn't know how this works lol.

14 Oct 2018 22:54:44
Darcy tucker went 100% every shift for the leafs. Was a great team guy. Between the age of 26 and 32 he had 4 20+ goal years, hit 28 once, broke 60 pts, all things similar to Gallagher (except the 60 pt thing) . But he wasn’t going to be traded straight up for a young star forward lol role players don’t have the same value as young guys with high end skill and potential. And it’s more a young mans game now then it ever was then, so the gap between is even wider.

14 Oct 2018 23:13:07
We'll at least tucker was better then joey crabb I guess. Next time you take a stroll down memory lane go alone.

14 Oct 2018 23:36:17
And again who did tucker play with? And who does gallahger play with? lol you just can't get it can you. It was a good try when you were trying to say brown scored 20 goals as a 3rd/ 4th liner if I hadn't known the difference I would have had to say yeah your right jim, brown is great.

15 Oct 2018 00:46:10
You can say whatever you want. Look at the numbers, age and price. Paul Byron is worth exactly the same as Connor Brown, which is very little.

15 Oct 2018 05:00:33
Yes I intend on saying whatever I want.

15 Oct 2018 05:39:34
Lol 😂.

15 Oct 2018 11:28:41
toronto would do this every day of the week. a forward at a good contract, a potential top 5 pick and a 2nd round pick to boot? what's the incentive for montreal? nylander is not the franchise player to turn that franchise into cup contender. he is very very very good and a good piece to build a core with (along with drouin and domi) but i think montreal would hang up the phone. then again it is bergavin we're talking about, always looking for the big fish trade.

15 Oct 2018 13:46:11
@pkane. I agree they would do the posted trade. What we were disagreeing on was that Gallagher alone is worth more without the 1st or 2nd round pick.

15 Oct 2018 14:22:46
Who the F was disagreeing gallahger was worth more then gallahger plus a1st and a2nd lol. You need a break man. I said montreal wouldn't trade gallahger straight up for nylander and I still stand by that 100%.

15 Oct 2018 15:39:53
That’s what I said lol i agree this is good deal for Toronto. We were disagreeing on if Gallagher alone was worth more than Nylander. You think yes. I think no. Lol read it again ol fella.

15 Oct 2018 19:39:15
I was talking about the previous comment when you said we were disagreeing on that gallahger alone was worth more without the 1st and 2nd . I never said that, obviously gallahger with a 1st and 2nd is worth more then just gallahger. Lol.

15 Oct 2018 21:11:12
Read it one more time Habby, and this time take the condescending dick attitude out of it. Then you will understand I was saying you think Gallagher is worth more than Nylander without the 1st and 2nd being included. I never say you think Gallagher is worth more than Gallagher, a 1st and a 2nd lol I don’t say Nylanders name in it, i assume people know who we were talking about but You actually try really hard to make things seem more difficult than they are. It must be exhausting for the actual people in your life.

15 Oct 2018 22:35:03
I only do this to you jim lol. At least I didn't twist words around and try to make it sound like you said something else completely different I just used what you actually said. Lol have a good night!

16 Oct 2018 03:30:28
No. That’s exactly what you did lol you knew what I said and pretended I said something else. Gallagher=Nylander Ha!

16 Oct 2018 05:28:24
That's a much better user name.

13 Oct 2018 21:32:42
Toronto: Nylander

Montreal: Petry
Byron
I think it could be a good starting offer coming from mtl. What you think about that?

13 Oct 2018 22:15:14
Lol. Dream on. That's a laughable offer that would be beaten by so many teams.

13 Oct 2018 22:57:09
Leafs can't afford to take on those two contracts. They would need younger cheaper pieces in return for nylander.

14 Oct 2018 04:16:09
Younger, cheaper and better.

14 Oct 2018 04:41:26
No jim just younger and cheaper. Two way forward that scores 20 goals a year and good 2nd pair right hand shot dman. You don't think that would be enough? If it was younger and cheaper.

14 Oct 2018 14:07:59
Byron would not make the leafs and Perty is far away from being a defensive workhorse who can log 30 minutes a night. If both players were 18 on a ELC leafs still decline.

14 Oct 2018 14:46:40
If they were as good as they are at the moment, and both 20 years old and on ELC, then sure. But That would be assuming they have potential to be a lot better than they are right now.

And just to put it in perspective, In the last 2 seasons Byron has 42g and 78pts (8PP, 3SH) He’s 29 years old making $3.4 mill. Connor Brown has 34g and 64pts (8PP, 2 SH) splitting 3rd/ 4th line duties. he’s 24 making $2.1 mill. I’m not saying Byron isn’t good, I’m not saying he isn’t worth $3.1 mill in todays league. I’m saying he’s older and makes more money than Brown, with a little more production. And if I posted Connor Brown as half of the return for a 21 year old Winger with Nylanders track record and his potential, I’d get roasted and, rightfully so lol

Think of what people say about Brown on here when Leaf fans post trades involving Him whenever a trade involving Byron comes up because the 5 year age gap and $1.3 mill wage gap makes up the 7pt difference between the players every day of he week. Brown is a 3rd/ 4th liner, and so is Byron. That’s not what we would be trading Nylander for

Picture this: Zaitsev and Brown for Sebastian Aho. Lol
That’s a top 4 RHD, and a player very similar to Byron, both are 4-5 years younger than the habs in This deal and both are cheaper than the habs in this deal. Can you picture the rants that would be spewed?! Lol I can.

14 Oct 2018 15:10:57
@VbB, Byron would easily make the leafs roster, but he would be bumping Leivo/ Johnsson out. You don’t trade Nylander to upgrade Lievos spot lol.

14 Oct 2018 15:38:34
Yeah ok. Lol.

14 Oct 2018 17:05:25
Keep drinking that blue kool aid guys lol. What a joke!

14 Oct 2018 17:35:23
Lmao. There's vbbs clueless biased homer self that always shines through. Byron would %100 make the Leafs lineup. Wow.

14 Oct 2018 17:35:43
Talk about another over exaggeration. Your back peddle will be funny tho.

14 Oct 2018 17:37:15
Come on Habby. You’re seriously going to start being a dick again over Paul Byron not being a 3rd liner? Lol what is the difference between him and Brown? He’s older, makes more money and has very similar stats. Brown was a 20 goal scorer at 22 in his rookie year. It took Byron till he was 27 in his 6th NHL season to do that. That’s not hab hating. That’s legitimate fact.

14 Oct 2018 17:44:07
Do you know who Joey Crabb is? He was the LW with Bozak and Kessel in Toronto one year because we sucked. That doesn’t mean he’s a first line player lol just because Byron gets opportunity’s in Montreal that players like brown don’t on a good team, does not make one a top 6 forward and the other a 4th line player in the grand scheme of things lol situationally, Byron’s a top 6 player. On 80% of the teams in the league, he’s exactly what brown is, 3rd/ 4th line wing with good penalty killing capabilities.

14 Oct 2018 18:00:45
Vbb’s is always drinking the koolaid but what was wrong with Jim’s comparison habby?

14 Oct 2018 18:38:00
So brown has never played on the leafs first line? And your comparable was the laughable part. Byron and petry are better then zaitsev and brown plus aho is better then nylander. obviously vbbb is drinking more kool aid then you today but your still having a few sips.

14 Oct 2018 18:40:42
Byron was 2nd on his team in goals last year what place did brown come in on his team? Put byron on the leafs he scores 30 and to think petry is not better then zaitsev come on man. That's just being biased leafs would give him away right now.

14 Oct 2018 19:00:32
Plus jim just cause someone doesn't agree with you I'm pretty sure that doesn't make them a dick lol. At least try and show some respect on here .

14 Oct 2018 19:27:06
just because 20-22 goals is 2nd on habs and 20 goals made brown the leafs 5th best rookie his first year, doesn’t mean they aren’t in the same class lol tell me, with stats to back it up, where this big gap between the 2 is. Because over the past 2 seasons, they have pretty similar numbers. Byron took 6 years to figure out his game, brown did it immediately.

14 Oct 2018 19:55:16
It's not hard to figure it out put byron on a line with matthews and watch his numbers go up up up. Just like everyone else. Take brown off the top line and watch his numbers go down down down. And if it's just a numbers thing how do you explain zaitsev being anywhere close to petry lol.

14 Oct 2018 20:30:58
When was brown with Matthews?! Lol and when was he getting top 6 minutes? He split 3rd and 4th line shifts for 20 goals. Just keep pretending to know what you’re taking about. Byron is Brown, except a slower learner/ developer. That’s what anyone with common sense can see.

14 Oct 2018 20:42:35
Also Petry has 70 pts -27 in hose 2 seasons, zaitsev has 49 pts -14 in the same years (first 2 in the NHL) while playing 20 less games. None of your arguments hold water. Petrys got better offence, worse Defense, but to say they’re not even close is something only you would say again. 4 years age gap and makes less money. Think about it.

14 Oct 2018 20:49:49
Yeah ok man let's just pretend for a minute that brown didn't spend time on the leafs top line that year. Paul byron was never the go to guy in montreal either so again what's your point? Or do you have a point? Or are you just trying to keep a fight going again? Let's talk about joey crabb again that was so insightful and important to the current argument. Get a life! Oh and change your user name.

14 Oct 2018 21:11:27
Here's one for ya brown scored 7 goals his rookie year playing on a line with kadri and komarov but then wait for it he scored 6 of his goals playing with matthews and hyman. And my arguments don't hold water lol. You don't even know who the players on your own team play with lol. And way to use the ole plus minus stat to your benefit ( the only time you use it) 3rd worst team in the league against a team that set franchise records in points who is going to have the better +_ hmmmmmm jim I think even you could figure that one out if you try real hard. think about it.

14 Oct 2018 21:26:35
Lol get a life? You’re getting all riled up like the hill you want to die on is proving to the world that Paul Byron isn’t a 3rd line player haha is that really the biggest issue facing you today? My name shouldn’t bother you as much as it does. Maybe you should take a trade-Rumor hiatus and come back when you’re more centered.

14 Oct 2018 21:28:24
The thing with brown is I’m not trying to say he’s a 1st liner or can have that production. I’m completely comfortable admitting he is what he is. Decent 3rd liner or real good 4th line winger who plays smart and can penalty kill. There’s nothing wrong with being that on a good team.

14 Oct 2018 21:31:09
If management, Byron, his agent or anyone else believes he was more than a 3rd liner, why would he just sign for 4 years at 3rd line money?!?! Lol he’s a year away from UFA, you think he’s a top 6 forward so he locks himself in for $3.4 mill when decent top 6 forwards like JVR and James Neal are getting $6-7mill?!? Such a fool man.

14 Oct 2018 22:23:11
Did I say he was a top 6 or did I just say he was better then brown. ahh I see. jim just lost another one maybe someone on here does know what he's talking about. Brown never played with matthews like how could you not know that? Lol. I think you need a break man it seems when you can't copy and paste something from google you actually know less then most everyone else on here.

15 Oct 2018 00:56:15
I have never copy and pasted something lol how is he better than brown? Explain. It took him 6 years to accomplish what it took Brown 80 games to do. He’s 29 instead of 24 and makes $1.3 mill more. Only in your eyes is that more valuable. Makes zero sense how he can be worth more. Find an example where a player is 5 years younger, accomplished the same and makes less and a team would say “I want the other guy! ” Haha.

15 Oct 2018 00:59:51
He signed for 3rd line money because everyone involved knows that’s what he is. Same as Brown. You don’t lock in at bottom six money if you think you’re anything more. I know you actually know that, just being a dick like I said off the start.

15 Oct 2018 05:06:18
Brown played with matthews in his rookie year and it's been down hill ever since he's been took off that line. Never scored 20 goals last year did he? Byron did. Doesn't look like he's going to get much playing time with matthews this year so you know what that probably means right? I will say this if they both score 20 this year without either playing top 6 minutes then I would consider them about the same. Still think byron brings a little more to the table. More dangerous on the pk and hits about 3 times as much being a couple things.

15 Oct 2018 05:36:34
And byron is faster.

15 Oct 2018 05:45:00
Why is he more dangerous on the PK? Quantify that for me. They both have 2 SHG’s over those 2 seasons. “attention all goalies, fear the short handed sniper Paul Byron, he has 2 goals in 2 seasons! Ignore Connor Brown though, he only has 2 goals in 2 seasons” haha so dumb.

15 Oct 2018 05:50:55
Brown has a better giveaway/ takeaway ratio lol who cares. It’s production/ money/ age. That’s what the league runs on. How many points? how much is it costing me? and how long can you do it for? If 7 more assists a year is worth $1.3 mill and being 5 years older, power to ya. Anyone else can see that they’re comparable players.

15 Oct 2018 14:05:00
But somehow 7 or 8 more points is worth an extra 4 mil when it comes to gallahger/ nylander. Pick a set of rules and stick to em lol.

15 Oct 2018 16:12:16
No. Both Nylander and brown are far younger than Gallagher and Byron. Meaning there’s a lot more growth opportunity for them. At 29 years old, Byron is what line is. At 24, brown probably is too. At 26 or 27 whatever Gallagher is, he could get a bit better maybe. But Nylander at 22, you’re going to pay him a portion of his salary for what people believe he will be. Much like Drouin. Drouin was not a $5.5 mill player when they signed him to that deal. But he was so young and talented they hoped he would be a $7 mill player soon enough and they would benifit. Again, not a difficult thing to understand for anyone but you.

And see, we have always disagreed, but you were always pretty smart. Which is why I call you a dick now because you’re just saying stupid things and pretending you don’t understand stuff that you’re clearly smart enough to comprehend. So your not stupid, your just a dick lol

Someone said they like when we argue so you turn into a WwE superstar and purposely get confrontational over nothing lol you listening to a walk up song while you type? Haha.

15 Oct 2018 19:42:17
I don't care for the wwe I watch hockey. Maybe if you were not so interested in that you might come back to reality and realize the habs wouldn't trade gallahger straight up for nylander.

15 Oct 2018 19:58:40
Lol 😂.

15 Oct 2018 20:15:55
yeah you’re right. They would never do that. That would make them better. They only make trades like Sergachev for Drouin or subban for Weber. You know, the type that turn a playoff team into a lottery contender lol Habby and Bergy just sharing notes.

15 Oct 2018 22:37:47
Yes hopefully that's the plan and we suck for 10 years and win a lottery then we can have a team that makes it to the 1st round of the playoffs too .

16 Oct 2018 01:19:21
Don’t be bitter about us winning a lottery. You said last year we made the wrong decision taking Matthews. laine was better lol remember that?!

16 Oct 2018 01:21:13
Or you just going to pretend you didn’t say that too? Haha.

16 Oct 2018 05:29:51
Actually I didn't but I did say you couldn't go wrong either way.

11 Oct 2018 04:59:51
Hi,like my old friends says ; no balls no Glory.So i submit one monster trade and i think that make sens for both club.

William Nylander Tor
Timothy Liljegren Tor
Frederik Gauthier Tor (Home town guy)
Frederik Andersen Tor (cap dump)
1st pick 2019 Tor
2nd pick 2020 Tor

VS

Carey Price Mtl
Jeff Petry Mtl

(open to salary dump)
How does a Stanley cup cost?

Frank

11 Oct 2018 05:23:30
Oh ok cool you can fight with the leaf fans for awhile lol.

11 Oct 2018 05:37:17
You'd think prices contract and performance would lighten the return, not like price has played better than Anderson last couple years and would hardly call him a cap dump. That'd leave a lot to get petty after nylander and Anderson for price.

11 Oct 2018 05:45:26
Fight on.

Bergevin is crazy enough to pull a stunt like this, but the more conservative and new to the job Dubas will be walking a far more conservative line.

You can keep Price and that obnoxiously high salary of his. Any GM taking on that contract has just shot himself in the foot. Bergevin is one of the worst GM’s in the league in my opinion. Famous for pulling the trigger on big deals like this, they have repeatedly backfired. I’m surprised he still has a job. No way Dubas considers this trade. Paying Price twice what we are paying Andersen would kill our already tight budget.

Petry is overpriced garbage. Points wise he had one decent year - last year, and was an eye watering -30. Leafs have no interest in Petry, even if Montreal was giving him away.

Asking Leafs to give up all this young talent for overpriced veterans is a throwback to the old days. It didn’t do us any good then, and it won now. Leafs pass.

11 Oct 2018 06:37:33
Hi Shootmcgee.

You play rough a lot.
And you write a lot of bright thing.

But now, talk the fact ;

Toronto NEVERRRR Ever win the cup with Anderson and your defence.
Price give you one Stanly Cup at 100% right away whatever how much this guy win each year $$$.

And Petry give you more than 50 pts with your big offence and he is big and play bigger when the time come.

Fact ; Price = Toronto Stanley CUP

Remember my last line ; How cost one Stanly Cup?

11 Oct 2018 11:11:12
Wow it's like memarcus and Rambo had a kid and then dropped him on his head a few times and then that kid grew up to be a habs fan.

11 Oct 2018 11:39:43
Hey look, some combination of Finest, Colt, Marcus and Rambo, all squished together to take the bad parts of each and make them the key characteristics of this guy. Yay!

11 Oct 2018 13:24:10
This has got to be original MontrealsFinest.
Or he had a baby with Colt and Rambo and that kid was sucking purple farts then decided to post his thoughts.
This is hilarious how delusional it is. This site is pretty amazing. Not in a good way, but entertaining none the less.

11 Oct 2018 13:59:37
I don’t think I’d do Andersen for Price straight up at this point. Not because he’s better, price is the better goalie for sure. But Andersen is still a top 10 goalie in the league, younger and makes less than half as much. Price at 10.5 till he’s 40+ is going to Hurt

Also clearly Franks off the rails because he just criticized a trade of Nylander for Edler straight up (terrible for leafs too) saying you don’t trade a rising 22 year old for a declining 32 year old with a big contract. Then suggests 3 younger rising players, a 1st, 2nd and Gauthier for 2 older guys with huge contracts lol.

11 Oct 2018 16:00:59
“Fact; Price = Toronto stanley cup” Well then I’m in. No need to even play out the season.

11 Oct 2018 18:38:18
Hi guys ;)
Thanks for all reply, its very appreciate.

First of all A. Edler can give you one Stanley Cup if they join Tor? Answer is simple ; NO

And please never put Anderson in the same line of C. Price.
Price can give you one Stanley Cup this year.

More of that, if Price take the place in the Toronto net right now ; Your club conclude the season with over of 115 pts and kill the league.

I think you forget something; Tor is very close to win one Stanley Cup and they not thinking about what happen in ten years. Also they have a lot of young superstars.

Now we talk about the trade ;Frederik Gauthier if you are lucky he play only in the 4th line at Toronto but for one poor club like Mtl this home town guy can fit.

About the 1st and second pick; 25 and 55 overall Tor can survive without i think.

About William Nylander; That is the core of the Trade and Mtl never ever take him 1 on 1 against Price, sooooo the answer of that is Timothy Liljegren.

So the question is ; Tor give minus, equal value or more than Mtl give? The answer is Tor give more in this trade.

But how much one Stanley cup Worth my friends?

That is the cost to see in april Mich Marner (my favorite) show the Stanley cup over his head!

11 Oct 2018 18:56:30
Hi guys ;)

Nylander didn't play, Gauthier didn't play Liljegren didn't play,1st and second pick is future and Price take the place of Anderson sooooo

Tell me if Toronto didn't have a better club with Price + Petry vs Nothing in reality?

Got it. Its simple Tor give nothing and receve 2 key player.

Whatever what you says, whatever if Carey is fragile and have 31 years old, they still a Franchise player.

At the end of the year, when you see Tampa Bay Destroy Anderson on the net, you got it too.

I don't says Anderson is a bad goalie, no no, i just says; you never win the Stanley Cup with your defence and this goalie.

So Edler vs 1st pick tor. ( and Believe me Van accept that right away)

Price +Petry vs Gauthier, Liljegreen,1st and second pick and Nylander ( about Anderson Tor they trade him anyway if they not include him in the Mtl trade)

Toronto WIN the Stanley CUP!

11 Oct 2018 19:18:41
If price is a stanley cup then why hasn't montreal won a cup with him.

11 Oct 2018 20:01:41
This is awesome. I’m reading those responses and I find myself talking like an old Italian guy like the ones that Andy Frost gets calling in to his show after the games on Leaf Talk lol I’m actually not trying to make fun of it, because I would assume English isn’t actually his first language. Some points he makes aren’t terrible, just the guarantees of a cup if we give a ton for a goalie with a bad contract and don’t worry about the disaster of a decade to follow is enough for me to be an extremely easy no.

11 Oct 2018 21:38:36
Hard to discuss a trade when people are in bad faith.
Your biggest argue is ; this guy speak English very bad.

Well, well that is true and i do my best to talk correctly.

Camyslop; simple, because Mtl didn't have enough stronger player also we come close to win the cup 2 time, specialy the year when Krieder hit and hurts Price intentionaly.

So Mtl now can't win the cup with Price and the Leafs can't win the cup with Anderson and Nylander, better like that hug?


I forget Toronto didn't win the cup last 6-7 decade. that explain a lot of thing.

12 Oct 2018 00:14:16
Not ripping on ya for your language man. English is clearly not your first language but you get the point across well enough for a non-native speaker so good for you. It's the trade itself that's the problem.

You could propose the same trade in French or Chinese and it would not change that.

12 Oct 2018 02:48:54
Price is getting paid 10.5 million and playing like a 4 million dollar goalie until he steps it back up to his old form he has negative value in my eyes.

07 Oct 2018 16:19:15
Thanks to Habby bringing Brook to my attention, I’m going to post a proposal that may be unpopular among Leaf fans, but I don’t care. Just getting discussion going.

Leafs trade Nylander
Montreal trades Drouin, Brook

Marleau/ Matthews/ Hyman
Drouin/ Tavares/ Marner
Johnsson/ Kadri/ Kapanen
Lievo/ Lindholm/ Brown
*Ennis, Jooris

I think Drouin is being mis-used by Montreal forcing him to play center, when he is clearly a better winger. Playing beside Tavares he should return to form and post better numbers. Montreal can then mis-use Nylander as center.

Brook is the prospect I wanted to draw attention to. His stats look fantastic and his prospect report is outstanding. Could be a real steal if we get him early enough. Along with Liljegren, gives Leafs two high end RHD prospects.

07 Oct 2018 17:12:53
Actually drouin is back to the wing now as kotkaniemi is handling most of the center duties on that line and he really hasn't looked that great as a winger so far lol. that being said I would think a swap of drouin for nylander considering nylanders contract demands would be more then fair. No need to add brook.

07 Oct 2018 17:56:05
I don’t think Nylander for Drouin straight up cuts it. Nylander is still true better player in my eyes. Perhaps unconsciously, I suspect you just want to keep Brook yourself. I can’t blame you. Montreal adds another prospect maybe? Juulsen?

07 Oct 2018 19:58:15
I like it. But more of a Nylander for Droiun and a 3rd. not a Brook, and deffenetley not Juulsen who I think is going to be a really good player.
Also. as much as I like Nylander. no way he gets 8 to 8.5 per.
7 max.

07 Oct 2018 20:03:20
I just can't help but feel if drouin was playing with matthews he would put up 60 points a year too. So in my eyes depending on the contract nylander signs it's fair straight up.

07 Oct 2018 22:36:40
Habby, the difference between Nylander and Drouin is with Drouin what you see is what you get. Nylander can still go up. It is not fair for a straight up deal.

07 Oct 2018 23:18:58
Nylander is better and has more potential.
Drouin at $5.5M
Nylander is worth about $1.5M more ($7M) or at the very least $1M more st $6.5M. But maybe even $2M more at $7.5M.
Anyways. Ya. It's not a fair deal as a straight up trade proposal.

08 Oct 2018 00:17:15
Hard to win this argument against leaf fans. I will say this I don't think I'm the only one who would think it's even with drouin at 5.5mil and nylander at possibly 7.5 mil. For sure there is not enough difference to add a good RHD prospect in brook or a young dman who is playing top 4 minutes in juulsen . also I doubt either drouin or nylander have hit their prime yet and got could possibly improve. Don't really see how you can say something like what you see is what you get about either one of them. I doubt it, but for all you or I know nylander might never be more then a 60 point man.

08 Oct 2018 00:48:37
Itookdonscherry said it well I wouldn’t be upset if leafs made this trade.

08 Oct 2018 04:55:40
I never checked it out or really believe it would change anyone's mind ( not that I really care) lol. But I'm willing to bet drouin was in on just as many of his teams goals last year as nylander was. I'm certain he hits at least 60 riding shot gun for matthews. So for 1.5 to 2 mil less to do the same job wouldn't toronto be wise to at least consider it?

08 Oct 2018 05:35:47
@vb

Am I reading this correct? Did you really just say you liked this proposal? Thanks bud. Either you didn’t notice who floated it, or I must have really nailed it for you to agree.

08 Oct 2018 05:53:33
Cherry, just for curiosity sake, why is Drouin you get what you get but Nylander has loads of room to grow when they are a year apart in age? Its not like Drouin is 27-30. I don't think potential is all that different myself, both early 20s and have shown they are great offensive talents i don't think its a stretch to say Drouin would put up similar or better numbers than Nylander in Toronto. Drouin can make some really slick passes but hasn't really played with someone who can finish them off.

08 Oct 2018 09:59:57
It’s a bit of a risk from Leafs standpoint, because we all think Drouin can put up the same numbers as Nylander playing beside either Matthews or Tavares, but that’s still expecting him to put up career points. That’s why I think Montreal adds. Asking for Juulsen or Brook might be a bit much. Sosa is probably more accurate suggesting a pick instead of a prospect drafted first round.

08 Oct 2018 15:03:46
I feel the same way from habs standpoint leafs gm. I'd be nervous as F if the habs made this deal straight up. unless nylander was willing to sign for 6 mil or less, which he's not. If they added brooks or juulsen to the deal I'd burn my habs pyjamas. Lol.

08 Oct 2018 18:30:41
Hahahaha. Habs pajamas. That joke made me laugh Habby2. Well done.

08 Oct 2018 22:49:40
I don’t think he’s joking Yupp.

09 Oct 2018 03:14:21
I really liked this trade.
I think it helps both teams a lot. Drouin is a great player and so is Nylander. Nylander has a little more upside. But the Leafs get the contract that works for them. Nylander can come in as the Habs number one center. Drouin with a true number one will put up big numbers.

09 Oct 2018 03:23:36
Ya Still awesome if he's not joking.
It can still be classified as a joke in that context tho, and it did make me laugh.

09 Oct 2018 05:21:21
I was joking . I don't have any pyjamas.

04 Oct 2018 21:25:30
Mtl: Scherbak
Tor: Kapanen

04 Oct 2018 21:53:46
I don’t know a ton about scherbaks game, but I love kapanens speed and his ability to fit in up and down the lineup and penalty kill. I would rather keep him.

04 Oct 2018 23:14:44
Look so like a real lateral move here. I’ve never seen him play, but Scherbaks scouting report is pretty good. I think Leafs LW is weak compared to RW, and after marleau leaves, we will have a real gap there needing to be filled. It’s a trade worth considering for sure.

Still a little too early to pull the trigger on this one. But by season end we should have a much better idea of what both these guys can do. If Scherbak looks good, I would say go for it.

05 Oct 2018 06:34:51
I dunno . It's a toss up. I think Scherbac has higher ceiling, however Kappanen is atm. a better player. and. may remain that way. its a high risk, high reward thing . both have a ton of talent just haven't displayed it yet. except on the odd WOW play. Sherbac has had a couple for Habs.

05 Oct 2018 13:07:42
@sosa, i agree. I just don’t know really what type of player scherbak is. If he's more of an offensive flare guy (which I thought he was) then I’d much rather keep kapanen purely for team need. Scoring won’t be our problem and kapanen has speed to burn and is an extremely intelligent player defensively.

05 Oct 2018 14:16:56
Jim. then ya, keep Kappanen. he has the better overall game forsure., and I beleive will continue to be that way for his career. I see Scherbac as a scoring winger, not the best defensively.

05 Oct 2018 15:56:48
Yeah. So unless Nylander goes for a Dman and then get scherbak tontske his spot with Matthews?! Then it could be worth it. But as it sits we need balance more than skill.

06 Oct 2018 00:45:01
I don't think Scherbac is quite st the level to play with Mathews.

06 Oct 2018 01:40:58
Sosa I'm expecting any day now for scherbak to be traded. Can't see him going to the leafs though. doesn't seem like he's going to get much of a chance to crack the habs lineup this year unless the injury bug hits and I think he has to clear waivers in order to be sent down. Might as we'll trade him then to lose him for nothing.

06 Oct 2018 02:16:39
Well hyman did for the last 2 seasons and put up 40 pts last year. Now I love zach hyman and what he does on the ice, but high end skill, I’m sure scherbak could keep that pace lol not saying he’s goong to be as good as Nylander, but that’s the only reason we would need to add a skilled winger.

06 Oct 2018 05:02:11
Ya. Your probably right Habby. . And well, I guess he's jus not what I hoped he'd be. if he can't crack the present Habs lineup., well. I dunno what to say about that.

Is it time to get rid of Trevor Timmins .?

06 Oct 2018 05:24:17
Nah Timmons is pretty good he hasn't really had the benefit of constantly drafting high like some teams. I think for the position he has drafted on average has been decent. Plus I know for a fact on times he has been overruled by the gm gainey wanted Leblanc while Timmons wanted kreider just as one example. I feel like they did a great job with their picks this year good enough that his job should be safe for awhile.

24 Sep 2018 08:37:29
Three Way Trade

TOR: William Nylander
CGY: TJ Brodie + Mark Jankowski
MTL: Victor Mete

Flames get Nylander
Leafs get Brodie + Mete
Canadiens get Jankowski


Upgrades :
Flames -
Gaudreau - Monahan - Neal
Tkachuk - Nylander - Czarnik
Dube - Backlund - Lindholm
Frolik - Ryan - Bennett

Leafs -
Morgan Rielly - TJ Brodie
Victor Mete - Nikita Zaitsev
Jake Gardiner - Ron Hainsey / Connor Carrick

Canadiens -
Drouin - Kotkaniemi - Gallagher
Tatar - Jankowski - Byron
Domi - Danault - Lehkonen
Hudon - Plekanec - Armia

24 Sep 2018 15:43:05
Completely unbelievable. Toronto should just give Calgary Nylander with no return. Why should they get anything back in return?

24 Sep 2018 17:20:36
Brutal for Toronto.

25 Sep 2018 14:15:24
I like this trade for the Habs. Not sure how Leaf fans will feel about.

25 Sep 2018 15:35:18
thunder turkey, so mete and brodie is no return now?

25 Sep 2018 17:51:33
No from mtl
Mete is the only good LHD Mtl has
Fair value wise but Habs like Meyer
Mete like's habs.

23 Sep 2018 15:16:54
Mtl : N. Scherback, J. Benn
Car : H. Fleury

Fair?

23 Sep 2018 18:15:18
I'm not ready to give up on Sherbak yet.

17 Sep 2018 21:02:26
Calgary Flames trade (C) Sam Bennett and (D) Rasmus Andersson to Montreal Canadiens in exchange for (LW) Arturri Lehkonen, (2019) 3rd-Round Pick & a (2020) Conditional 2nd-Round Pick.

(If Bennett staples 40+ points in 2018-19 then the 2nd turns into a 1st Round Pick)

Projected Forwards

CGY -

J Gaudreau - S Monahan - E Lindholm
M Tkachuk - M Backlund - J Neal
A Lehkonen - M Jankowski - M Frolik
A Czarnik - D Ryan - B Pollock

MTL -

J Drouin - S Bennett - T Tatar
M Domi - P Danault - C Hudon
P Byron - N Suzuki - J Armia
A Shaw - T Plekanec - N Sherbak

18 Sep 2018 01:05:31
Bennet is a third line center at best, I understan Montreal is rebuilding, but you still shouldn’t have him on the first line.

18 Sep 2018 02:25:47
That condition is brutal, Bennett should not be getting anything near a 1st, however I could see Montreal taking that and like leaf said he’s not going to be your first line center lol.

18 Sep 2018 06:16:40
No way should Habs trade this years 1st rounder. may end up being that Hughes kid. think they will battle Sens for the best odds at it.
Wouldn't be opposed to Bennett . but for the right price. but, I'm not really sure what his value is.? Is he still a prospective top 6? Or, is this who is is. a 10 goal 25 to 30 point 3rd liner.?

18 Sep 2018 22:02:42
Yeah, that condition is bad lol Sens get a 1st if the sharks get 9 years instead of 1 year of a superstar Dman. I get that using the Sens trade returns as a barometer is not ideal, but a forward hitting 40 points does not get you an added 1st rounder. If the habs don’t feel like Bennet could put up 40 points, they just don’t touch the initial trade to begin with. Anyone taking Bennett at this point is banking on a new situation sparking that offensive potential, not willing to pay future assets for him reaching the level of mediocre.

30 Sep 2018 10:43:32
Brett Polak!?!?!

17 Sep 2018 17:36:22
CGY - S Bennett & M Jankowski
MTL - A Lehkonen, 2019 3rd-Round Pick & 2020 1st-Round Pick

EDM - Jesse Puljujärvi & Milan Lucic
MTL - Victor Mete & Nikita Sherbak

J Drouin - M Jankowski - J Puljujärvi
T Tatar - P Danault - M Domi
M Lucic - S Bennett - C Hudon
P Byron - T Plekanec - A Shaw

17 Sep 2018 19:06:17
I think habs take their chances with their 1st and 3rd round picks than settling on Jankowski as a 1st line centre. Jankowski and Bennett are decent middle of the pack players, habs have those. They will keep the picks and try to find elite players.

18 Sep 2018 13:56:37
Montreal should definitely keep their picks cause they're going to stink, but I think jankowski is better than most would think, got 17 goals in 72 games as a rookie playing 3rd-4th line minutes.

18 Sep 2018 22:04:18
No way from Montreal on both.

15 Sep 2018 21:50:22
Mtl- weber-tatar

Tor- nylander-kadri

Mtl- price-byron


Fla- mathesson-bjustad-luongo

16 Sep 2018 02:07:09
toronto says no in the first one and i think the second one is a poor one from montreal's standpoint.

16 Sep 2018 03:05:08
That is horrifyingly bad for Toronto.

16 Sep 2018 07:10:49
But vbb you've been so high praise for Weber market haven't you. Legit #1 D man and all, tops in the league.

16 Sep 2018 12:25:00
I love Weber but not at the Price of Nylander and espically not Kadri. Tatar has zero value to the leafs.

16 Sep 2018 17:15:03
How does Tatar have 0 value to the leafs?!?!

18 Sep 2018 16:13:27
He still brings 20-25 goals and at under 5 million you would think he was worth something to the leads lol.

10 Sep 2018 11:26:55
Suzuki and Tatar for Patches.

Def more than I could have ever imagined for Patches. that's Suzuki + 1st + 2nd + 3rd + 2nd, altho Tatar ain't worth all that now.

MTL makes a very good deal imo, and Tatar could easily be shipped off at the deadline.

This is the side of McPhee that Vegas has to be wary about. he's super hasty. and I feel that this could bite him badly, like with Forsberg/ Erat.

10 Sep 2018 12:21:11
And a 2nd round pick.

10 Sep 2018 12:57:01
There is also some cap retention by both teams this year is a wash pretty much but Vegas retains 500 k each of the last 2 years on tater contract.

10 Sep 2018 13:28:31
Bergevin did well, I’ll give him that. Tatar was apparently a must go, salary and roster spot wise, so it’s esentially Suzuki and a 2nd for patches with a bit of retention. Good return for a guy that it was pretty public he wasn’t going to be back.

10 Sep 2018 15:58:44
Not to bad. Tatar can probably score 20 to 25 this season, Really hope Suzuki turns into a top 6 player. , any of you guys back East see him play much in the OHL? Any feedback on him?

10 Sep 2018 16:02:43
I think it's a good return probably slightly more then I expected. suzuki was Vegas 2nd best prospect IMO and tater should be able to at least replace the 17 goals pacioretty scored last year and they get another decent draft pick. Suzuki scored 100 points last year on a somewhat defensive team. I think 72 of his points were primary and the next closest point total on his team was 69 I believe. Has good speed and can play in all situations can play center but I think he will be winger when he turns pro.

10 Sep 2018 16:05:46
Apparently the trade is contingent on patch signing "long term " in Vegas.

10 Sep 2018 16:06:21
Also jim tater still has value as we'll he just couldn't fit in with Vegas I'm sure if the habs decided to trade him again they could get something useful in return especially at 4.8 mil preseason instead of 5.3. He might never get what Vegas paid for him again. But I think he could still get a 2nd and a3rd right now at least.

10 Sep 2018 16:58:35
Good trade for the Habs. Flip Tatar at the trade deadline for picks or prospect then it becomes a great trade for the re-building Habs.

10 Sep 2018 17:56:48
what are you talking about with all the pick crap

You got Suzuki who isn't even a top 50 prospect in most top 50 propsects. He hit thirty in 1. A 2nd round pick and thomas tatar

for

A signed patches. That haul is underwhelming

What happened to the 1st, top c prospect and a good nhl player for a rental with 1.5 years left.

I think berg did get a good prospect but his super high expectations soured a lot of teams on patches and basically made him settle for that package. Not very good.

ROR got a 1st, 2nd, Tage thompson, Sobotka, Berglund.

Patches got 2nd suzuki, tatar

MTL should have gotten more for a signed patches.

10 Sep 2018 18:42:20
A lot of people are actually saying Montreal got an underwhelming return. Which I agree a bit, but I also think that was the best Montreal was going to get.

10 Sep 2018 19:14:49
It's more then fair IMO. But like everything else everyone won't be pleased with it . If the habs had got mcdavid for patches there would be some complaining that we took back too big of a cap hit. nick suzuki is on every top 50 prospect list that holds any merit. He's a real good prospect on top of that we get a consistent 20 goal scorer on a not too bad contract and a 2nd in the 45 to 55 range. I'd say that's pretty good for a player who svored 17 gòals last year. O reilly didn't have a down year if he did he wouldn't have got as much either on top of that he was already signed long term and he is a center. I hope your not trying to imply max could have got o Reilly cause I'm pretty sure habs offered that deal and buffalo said no.

10 Sep 2018 19:43:58
Idk how people here can say he got an underwhelming return imo.

In general, our trade evaluations were that Patches value had dipped and would get a 1st and a meh prsopect. He got Suzuki, Tatar who can probably get a 1st if he bounces back and a 2nd. And Suzuki is a good prospet too - and he plays a position that Montreal is desperately in need of. Maybe I’m an extra bit high about Suzuki, but I’m the fathest from a Hab fan and I think Bergevin may have saved his own a** and job with this.

10 Sep 2018 20:04:02
O’Rielly is not a fair comparison at all. Different position, player type, age, contract situation etc.

10 Sep 2018 22:16:37
Very underwhelming especially now considering its 5 years of him. He's apperently one of the super elite scorers of the last decade or so, 5 years of him should have gotten more, no?

10 Sep 2018 23:25:42
Not with how he played last year. value went down.
I'm happy with the return, wish the 2nd was a 1st but it's all good.
To be honest, I'd really like to see patches playing along side Stasney. Unfortunately it will be on a different team, but he has never had a reliable center to play alongside. Vegas made some great upgrades this off-season.

10 Sep 2018 23:37:24
I think it is fair value for both sides. Habby you’re right about not pleasing everyone. However, “ that’s pretty good for a guy who scored 17 goals last year” is different from what you would have said yesterday. Is Pacioretty on the decline now that he’s gone or is he still the 30+ goal scoring leader that you thought he was for years?

10 Sep 2018 23:56:11
It’s definitely a different tone. When I would say he would not get a great return coming off a bad year, I was told I was wrong. Now I admit this is better than I thought they would get, but this is what I’ve said about when a guy leaves, your opinion changes in a hurry. It did with galchenyuk too. For the last 6 months while surrounded by rumours he’s been “a 35 goal scorer” and you ignored people saying he’s only as good as last year unfortunately. Now it’s “good for a guy with 17 goals”.

11 Sep 2018 00:11:23
As a Habs fan. and Patches fan, I'll say he just had a down year. I don't know if he (or almost anyone) was able to take the pressure of being a Habs captain, especially on one of the worst seasons in the franchise history . He gets a fresh start in Vegas, with a lot less pressure. . he doesn't have to be the main kog in the offense. this may he the season he finally hits 40 IMO. and I hope he does. was a class act in Montreal, and a really good player for the team.

11 Sep 2018 00:26:04
Actually leafs 17 it's more then I expected or would have paid. Don't lump me in the delusional category. And it has nothing to do with being or not being the player he was. All though even at 4 years Vegas is still taking a chance on him. Also at 7 mil in Vegas apparently montreal would have had to pay 9.5 per year to match it and he wasn't worth that in his best year. i liked pacioretty as a player and actually stood up for him on times when he slumped every year in the playoffs but knowing now for sure which I suspected all along that he asked for a trade last year really makes m think when the going gets tough he would sooner disappear then face it. that being said he was good for the habs except for last year when he was awful but it was time to move on I'm glad they didn't resign him to a huge contract and I'm super glad they got this good of a return.

11 Sep 2018 00:27:30
But in case your referring to my comparison of him with simmonds I still think he has slightly more value then simmonds.

11 Sep 2018 02:04:12
The reason I brought up the 17 goal season jim was cause that's what most of you guys were tossing around. Pretty good return for a 17 goal scorer hey. Also a lot of you said he wouldn't get much of anything in return cause bergevin wasn't dealing from a position of strength. pretty good return IMO I'm quite pleased with this patch could score 40 with Vegas and suzuki may never pan out but this is still a good return at the moment. One of the main reasons other then patch was playing hardball and would have never signed here for 4 years 28 mil is he doesn't really fit in with the type of forward group the habs are putting together now. They are going younger and faster up front and eventhough he's still good he's getting older and slower. fits in better with Vegas as most of there team is over the age of 25.

11 Sep 2018 02:06:50
Essentially it should be good for everyone involved. Less pressure on pacioretty and a fresh start should help him regain his form habs get a good prospect a decent pick and a player with some skill who will out score patches totals from last year that they can keep or potentially trade again.

11 Sep 2018 04:21:02
I was referring to every habs fan saying he is a 30+ goal scoring leader. Not just you. One bad season surrounded by all the controversy and now he’s a 17 goal scorer. I’m guessing he bounces back but who knows. I think it was a good deal for Montreal, especially if Suzuki turns out to be good. For the record, I’d take Simmonds in a heart beat and I stayed out of that conversation.

11 Sep 2018 14:23:41
i don't like that vegas gave up suzuki in the deal, i liked him as a prospect but for a player of caliber of patches you need to give up a big piece, so i understand. it fit bot team's needs and montreal could be dangerous down the middle in a few years once their center prospects develop. good trade for both teams.

11 Sep 2018 18:46:53
Good trade for both teams right now. Give it a few years and Montreal could be the real winners depending on how Suzuki develops, who that 2nd round pick is, and either how Tatar does or what they get for him if traded.

12 Sep 2018 09:22:46
Mostly what i was trying to state is that Patches was suppose to, (By habs fans and sports Analyst) haul in way more than a 40-60 ranked prospect a 27 year old 15-20goal scorer (who is not worth a 1st unles 50% retained and i still don't see people doing that) and a 2nd in the 50 - 62 range.

The expectations for patches last year at deadline was (using blues as examples)

Thomas, 1st rnd pick and a roster player or
Kyrou, Kostin 1st roster

LA
Vilardi tofolli +

There was a lot of crazy rumors. There were several Articles that sports writers were writing about getting robert thomas. It was crazy and out of control.

Now you get Suzuki a 2nd and tatar and your ok with that. I think its a little more back peddling like Buffalo did with ROR and less accepting an underwhelming haul.

12 Sep 2018 15:00:32
We'll redwing you can be a fool and believe everything the media says or you can look at it realistically . If you believe the report la offered vilardi toffoli and their 1st I think you would have to be a fool. And even still if this trade happened there would be some who would still say it wasn't enough. Plus the blues said last year they were not trading thomas or kyrou so both those rumors are out the window. The habs got a consistent 20 goal man a top 30 to 40 prospect IMO and a 2nd which I feel will be around 50th . Even if pacioretty gets back to 30 goals that's still a good return. Let me ask you this patches at 7 mil scores 30 and tater at 4.8 scores 22 in a cap world wouldn't that be close to even?

12 Sep 2018 19:34:49
Call me a fool then because the expectations from fans and media had you getting a kings ransom. You got pretty much nothing. A cap dump due tatars high salary for his production a crappy second pick and suzuki who is even ranked in most top fifty prospects. I am not trying to knock you Suzuki is a good looking younbg player but the pick at 50-62 is not looking good.

Shattenkirk got a 1st a c/ lw in Zach sanford who actually played in the playoffs and was pretty good till injury and another pick 2nd round conditional pick.

That seemed underwhelming.

We ended up using that pick to get center Brayden SChenn. So yes it was a very underwhelming return for MTL. I think you just are in denial and won't admit it.

12 Sep 2018 20:13:43
I don't have time right now I may get on later though to point out some of the things you are wrong about. But your starting to sound like someone who said all along they would get nothing for pacioretty and now that they did you are in denial . Lol.

12 Sep 2018 21:27:30
1st off I don't see how a guy goes from getting a 1st a 2nd and a 3rd at 5.3 mil to being a cap dump at 4.8 mil. Especially after about 30 games. Tater is a more consistent 20 goal scorer then pacioretty is a consistent 30 scorer cause tater has got 20 goals every year except his first full year when he got 19 goals in 73 games. He's not a cap dump by no means at least not yet. Suzuki is a top 50 prospects whether all these lists you talk about have him on it or not. I read a list yesterday that had joe veleno ahead of brady tkachuk and filip zadina so maybe it was that one. the 2nd pick is Columbus so it's probably around 50th.

12 Sep 2018 21:31:56
So shattenkirk got a first 27th overall, that future superstar zach sand ford and a 2nd. So let's just compare montreal gets a 2017 13th overall pick a 2nd and tomas tater soooo
13th pick = much better then a 27th pick
Tomas tater = much better then zach Sanford
2nd = 2nd. Hope that helps!

12 Sep 2018 21:37:39
The schenn trade also cost you another 1st along with the one they aquired in the shatt trade. So if montreal trades tater again for a 2nd and drafts a 30 goal winger would you say they won the deal then?

12 Sep 2018 22:52:21
I think the habs did great. Patches is coming off a terrible season and returned a top C prospect, A replacement and a 2nd round pick. Suzuki seems drastically underrated in this situation.

12 Sep 2018 23:47:16
Also where are all these top prospect lists that don't have him in the top 50 I just took the time to find 5 and they all had him between 23rd and 38th, 23rd is a little high IMO but the 30 to 35 spot is just about right.

09 Sep 2018 00:54:34
Dallas:
Max Pacioretty LW
Karl Alzner D
2nd 2020

Montreal:
Tyler Seguin C
Jason Spezza C

Edmonton:
Shea Weber D
Andrew Shaw C
2nd 2019

Montreal:
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins C
Milan Lucic LW
1st 2020

09 Sep 2018 05:20:56
Where to start. Seguin>>patches, he’s younger puts up more points and centerman have more value than wingers and Spezza has one more year compared to Alzner s 4 of bad contract so that makes zero sense for Dallas. 2nd trade Webber tho still very good is aging and declining and another what, years left on his deal for a young 2nd line centerman with a decent contract and Shaw who is younger and cheaper for Lucic And oilers add the first? Wow, you’re not a Habs fan are ya?

09 Sep 2018 06:23:02
Uh no from oil.

09 Sep 2018 14:07:35
Oilers should take that and run they’re dumping Lucic a below average 4th liner being paid 6 million a year. Nuge and the 1st are good but Weber is one of the best dman in the NHL still and is on a criminally underrated contract. 7.8 million is a steal for a #1 dman and the acquiring team can trade him back to Nashville for a boat load so they avoid cap recaptures in the final 3 years when his front loaded salary falls down to 1 million.

09 Sep 2018 16:46:42
So what does Lucic have to do this season for you to eat your words vbb?
Because he is certainly now a "below average 4th liner" or an "AHL player" as you've called him before. You're just spewing hate is all. I'm not at all praising the guy or anything, don't put words in my mouth now.
Simply saying that you're crazy over exaggerating as usual.

09 Sep 2018 18:20:40
Do something other then hold McDavid back at 2 million Lucic would be a good signing but 6 million is horrendous.

09 Sep 2018 18:48:36
Ok. So are you back peddling now?
You say he's an "AHL player" and a "below average 4th liner"

09 Sep 2018 20:40:27
@VBB If he were a “below average 4th line” or “AHL player” he wouldn’t be a good signing at $2 mill lol so somethings wrong with your assessment

for $3-3.5 mill to play on someone’s 3rd line and provide physicality and maybe a net from presence on a PP he would be good. At $6 mill he is either an extremely overpaid 3rd liner or you’re forced to play him as a top line player which he just isn’t.

IMO if teams are still prepared to pay Leo Komarov $3 mill on a 4 year term (I like Leo but am so glad we aren’t the ones giving him that), then there’s definitely a place for Lucic. But with his current contract, he’s next to worthless on the trade market unfortunately.

09 Sep 2018 22:19:52
Lucic to Leo komarov is a good comparison both are pretty worthless aside from a slight 3rd line scoring capability and a intemdation prseance. Lucic would not crack the leafs roster there for he’d be an AHLer and if he did make the leafs Roster on LW Andreas Johanson, Hyman And Kappanen would be ahead of him as a LW. As RW Marner, Nylander, Grundstrom and Brown would be ahead of him on the depth chart. Obviously on most teams he’s not a AHL player but nothing more then a 3rd liner.

10 Sep 2018 01:24:29
Wow finally something I can agree on, Lucic no longer is a top 6 player imo but as a third liner he can still contribute well. Or he bounces back to 45-50 point player which I’m hoping he does if he sticks top 6 this year.

10 Sep 2018 06:25:05
Well Patches is a GoldenKnight now.

 
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