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05 Oct 2018 18:41:20
All right I will jump on the trade Nylander bandwagon.

Minnesota: Dumba
Toronto: Nylander

I think a 1 for 1 trade would work out and it fits the needs of both teams. I do admit I see Toronto play more than Minnesota. Can you let me know if this is fair or do I rate Nylander too high?

05 Oct 2018 19:17:27
It comes down to simply Minnesota just not making this trade. They aren’t going to trade Dumba. As for the value 🤷🏼‍♂️ I think it’s close but with Nylanders demands and dumba locked up long term I’d say Toronto would need to add.

05 Oct 2018 22:31:44
the issue is Dumba is cost controlled for many of his prime years and that makes his value even higher.

05 Oct 2018 22:35:05
I think mcjesus is dead on. Value wise they’re close, Willy May even have a tiny bit more, hard to say. But when contract is weighed in, it’s a big no from minny.

06 Oct 2018 00:39:25
McJesus took the words right out of my mouth.

Minnesota is pretty tight against cap and with Suter and Parise’s contracts, will be for a very long time. They need to pinch every penny they can. Last thing they need is to overpay for Nylander on a long term contract.

Everyone loves Dumba. How couldn’t they? He’d look amazing in blue and white. If you’re reading this right now Dumba, then just know that there’s is another place for you if you ever get unhappy in Minnesota, you can always come back to Canada.

06 Oct 2018 00:43:42
Well. this isn't bad . I think it all depends on what Nylander would sign for. Dumba is signed already, and looks like a good deal fo both player and team.
I think I read that Nylander wants 8 million? Did I read that right? he's more like 6.5.

06 Oct 2018 00:22:10
Ya minnasnowta wouldn’t do it it’s really close though!

06 Oct 2018 02:55:11
What if they sing him for a 4 year x 4.5 mill. He would still have a year of team control before UFA. Minnesota would Have a cap savings of 1.5 mill. (Dumba 5years x 6 milll) . Or at that price does Toronto keep him?

06 Oct 2018 05:32:37
Not a chance Minnesota would consider it. Leafs would need to add.

06 Oct 2018 06:41:50
Nylander is asking for $8/ 8.5M long term. And you're suggesting he would sign for $4.5M for 4 years? That's laughable. I understand the idea of then still
Being able to cash in on a long term contract then still, but man, That's just funny. Why wouldn't he just do that in Toronto where he apperently loves then?

06 Oct 2018 18:14:28
Of course Toronto keeps him at $4.5 mill lol if he was willing to play 4 more years at $4.5 mill they would have signed it LAST July 1st.

06 Oct 2018 19:05:28
I thought of 4.5 over 4 years because that is where Kadri is at. I also think Kadri is a better player right now than Nylander is. I don’t think any GM thinks Nylander is worth 8 mill or they would offer sheet him. I wonder if this will turn into a Mike Peca situation.

06 Oct 2018 23:25:07
Kadri May be a better fit layer than Nylander but probably not ceiling. However that Kadri deal is 2 years old and he has outperformed it each season. It’s not true value.

22 Sep 2018 15:36:22
3 Way Trade Proposal.

Carolina Trades
Faulk (Minnesota)

Minnesota Trades
Spurgeon (Toronto)
Seeler (Carolina)

Toronto Trades
CBrown (Carolina)
Sparks (Minnesota)
4th Round Pick 2019 (Carolina)

Trade Breakdown.

Faulk-CBrown,Seeler,4th Rounder
Carolina gets a good 24yr old 2 Way Winger and solves sitting TVR as the 7th Daman,Seeler is better suited as a Depth DMan.

Spurgeon,Seeler-Faulk,Sparks
Faulk and Spurgeon are close so that's more a wash but the key is Sparks as the Wild don't have any Goaltending Prospects.

CBrown,Sparks,4th Rounder-Spurgeon
Spurgeon is exactly what the Leafs are looking for on Defense and it's time to give Leivo a full time spot on RWing playing with Kadri on the 3rd Line gives him that,the crowded Goaltending and Sparks having to go through Waivers makes sense as some Team will Claim him.


Thoughts ?

22 Sep 2018 17:20:32
Stop posting the exact same thing over and over and over.

22 Sep 2018 18:16:14
Just posts trades and clicks believable and ends up 1-22.

22 Sep 2018 20:13:06
#BanPinball.

22 Sep 2018 23:13:30
TopShelfSlappers it isn't the same Trade Proposal, Connor Brown instead of Kapanen is in this Trade Proposal, better Winger in this Trade Proposal and say what you want it makes sense for all 3 Teams.

18 Sep 2018 17:13:04
3 Way Trade Proposal.

Carolina Trades
Faulk (Minnesota)

Minnesota Trades
Spurgeon (Toronto)
Seeler (Carolina)

Toronto Trades
Kapanen (Carolina)
Sparks (Minnesota)
4th Round Pick 2019 (Carolina)

Trade Breakdown.
Faulk-Kapanen,Seeler,4th Round Pick
Spurgeon,Seeler-Faulk,Sparks
Kapanen,Sparks,4th Round Pick
Spurgeon

Carolina solves the depth on the RDefence as TVR needs to play and adding Kapanen is a player they have wanted.
Minnesota replaces Spurgeon with Faulk a Minnesota born player and adds a good Goaltender Prospect in Sparks.
Toronto gets the Top Pairing Defenceman to pair with Rielly.

Thoughts ?

18 Sep 2018 17:42:16
This exact thing was on here a week or so ago with poor responses. All this is going to do is have half the people say leafs aren’t paying enough, and then have VBB day Faulk is a piece of garbage that shouldn’t be in the league.

18 Sep 2018 21:12:56
Unbiased Jim. Faulk isn't that good. Just saying.

18 Sep 2018 22:02:58
He isn’t that good but saying he does belong not in the league is an overstatement I said it to emphasize the way people overvalue him.

18 Sep 2018 22:50:32
Cherry, Faulk is a decently good player. Second, vb, that doesn’t make any sense lol at all that doesn’t emphasize anything.

18 Sep 2018 23:50:42
It emphasizes the trade was bad.

19 Sep 2018 03:11:32
What trade. You have over exaggerated your hate on Faulk numerous times. lol. We got it tho, you just don't like that guy.

19 Sep 2018 16:07:32
Saying a player doesn’t belong in the league also doesn’t emphasize any trade proposal lol that’s two completely different things.
Anyways, Faulk is either moved around right when the season starts or not at all this year.

19 Sep 2018 21:37:01
Mcjesus, I have watched Faulk on numerous occasions and I don't view him as anything more than a 3rd pairing guy. People rag on Gardiner, but I would take him anyday over Faulk. And I am not even a huge Gardiner fan.

20 Sep 2018 00:20:01
That’s fine, just because you view him as a third pairing dman doesn’t necessarily mean he is, but he certainly belongs in this league and he has offensive attributes lots of players wish they had.

20 Sep 2018 10:54:23
Never said he doesn't belong in the league. Its his career minus 109 that scares the crap out of me.

20 Sep 2018 16:18:03
I know you didn’t say that but somebody else did lol.

16 Sep 2018 02:09:14
to Toronto
Dumba

to Minnesota
Nylander.

16 Sep 2018 12:23:09
No from leafs.

16 Sep 2018 15:43:16
No from the Wild. They have Dumba signed to a reasonable contract and will play this season while Nylander wants a crazy number and may sit out.

16 Sep 2018 15:52:38
8 million isn’t a crazy ask for him considering age and potential.

16 Sep 2018 17:37:51
Yes. US$8 milion per is a ridiculous ask for Nylander. US$7 million is max for Nylander. Look at the mess the Oilers are in when they have 4 players accounting for US$40+ million of their cap. Chiarelli should have been fired and the NHL should have cancelled McDavid's contract. No player should make more than $11 million per season.

16 Sep 2018 21:13:39
Lmao Tavares mane $11M. McDavid is worth more than Tavares. W. T. Fukkkkkkkk.

And actually when you look at actual salary not cap hit. Tavares will make $15.9M this season. Highest in the league. Price is second at $15M and McDavid $15M. Jamie Benn $13M.
Get your facts before you make personic comments. McDavid actually left a little on the table too. Jesus.

16 Sep 2018 21:45:27
Nylanderperson your name should be if you don’t think McDavid should have more than 11m lol.

17 Sep 2018 01:04:36
personic***.

Get your facts straight before making personic comments.

Calling McDavid overpaid and suggesting the league should have cancelled his contract when your team just signed a player to a massive contract as well is the most personic thing I've read in a while on here. And that's in the middle of these Jets homers run of wicked personic crap. Lol.

17 Sep 2018 05:00:20
I'm pretty sure he meant nobody should make more then 11 million not that he thought tavares was better then mcdavid I assume he meant mcdavid should be at 11 mil and tavares should be less.

17 Sep 2018 06:25:36
I actually had person but clearly was changed haha.

08 Sep 2018 18:01:21
3way Trade Proposal.

Carolina Trades
Faulk (Minnesota)

Minnesota Trades
Spurgeon (Toronto)
Seeler (Carolina)

Toronto Trades
Kapanen (Carolina)
Sparks (Minnesota)

Trade Breakdown.
Faulk-Kapanen,Seeler
Spurgeon,Seeler-Faulk,Sparks
Kapanen,Sparks-Spurgeon

Maybe Minnesota would have to add a Mid Round Pick going to Carolina but think this is a good Proposal.

Thoughts ?

08 Sep 2018 19:18:23
Carolina gets robbed. They would need more coming back. Toronto wouid have to give something else.

09 Sep 2018 12:15:34
People really need to lower there value on Faulk. The guy is one of the worst defensive dmen in the league and people still rate him so high. -109 is his career plus/ minus. And people say Gardiner is bad defensively.

09 Sep 2018 14:08:30
Faulk shouldn’t be in the league imo huge defensive reliability.

09 Sep 2018 18:50:53
And there's Vbb over exaggerating as usual. We get it, you don't like the guy. But the fact he is a good offensive D man and is a Captain of an NHL team but you think he shouldn't even be in the league.
Maybe you actually mean he should be a sheltered minute, power play, not a captain, D man?

09 Sep 2018 20:11:17
Vb you are easily the least knowledgeable person iv ever seen consistently post on this site before and seriously what did faulk do to you!

09 Sep 2018 22:23:04
Yupp you’re correct I was over exaggerating and maybe he should be captain. The position is overrated if you actually played hockey. ( which I doubt you have ) you’d know leadership dosent come from 1 person it’s a team effort.

10 Sep 2018 22:30:56
faulk is a good player at what he does. He’s not a great defender, much like Gardiner. But there’s teams that can absorb his defensive liability to add what he brings offensively.

Also the way the game is going, if he’s a
enough puck mover, and put on a team with a good forward group, he can move the puck out and spend a lot less time in his own zone, helping his defensive part.

Like leafs not willing to pay the asking price for a big D upgrade, they’re hoping guys within step up and that with the depth of 2 way players up front, they can control the play and have possession enough to take pressure off the D, making it good enough for now.

06 Sep 2018 17:51:32
Mtl: Brodin, Parise

Min: Patches, 2rd 2018

That is only if Patches agreed to extension of 6 million for 8 years. Mtl takes a bad contract and actually gives a not terrible one when u think about it because JVR got 7 million but yes it was for 5 years. Pacioretty gets more long term security at a still good salary imo for both sides. That is only if Patches starts the season old and values goes up. But if so is this good???

06 Sep 2018 21:07:55
Brodin> Patch.

07 Sep 2018 00:47:16
You say Brodin > Patch but the whole point of it is for minny to shed some cap.

07 Sep 2018 01:31:52
Nothing> Parise and Brodin.

07 Sep 2018 02:58:12
How is Brodin better than Pacioretty?

07 Sep 2018 13:22:52
I know Brodin is worth more then Patches by a big amount since he's 4 years younger, signed for another 3 years at 4.1 million not UFA and D>wingers. That's why mtl takes on a bad contract straight up and throws in a second pick. Taking 8 million for another 6 years and only getting in average probably 35-40 points per season is very valuable imo for mynny. Anyways I think is fair for both teams and I apreaciate the comments even KeyHabs ahah.

07 Sep 2018 13:23:28
Praise dosnt bring down Brodin as much as ure making it sounds Vb. Yes he's way overpaid for another 6 years but he is still a good secondary scorer on any team in the nhl. He would still be a top 6 player in mtl wich is why I still think my l needs to add to Patches to get him and Brodin. I don't thknk they have to add a warm and a leg but a second is a god price imo.

07 Sep 2018 14:53:18
If anyone declines it Montreal Parise is a definition of an Anchor all tho I still like him as a player.

07 Sep 2018 15:48:09
Colt, you can be 100% right that Parise is still a decent player and can chip in for secendary scoring. And yet VBB is also 100% right that he’s an anchor of a contract. He’s 34, owed $7.5mill till he’s 40. That’s a brutal deal right now.

07 Sep 2018 16:36:51
He’s owed the same cap hit, till about the same age as Weber. A lot of people think Weber’s deal is an anchor to his value. However Weber is still (when healthy) a very very good top pair Dman on almost any team. Parise isn’t a top line player on any team I can think of right now. That’s the difference.

08 Sep 2018 01:20:18
I think you'd need to add more to take Parise, up there with the most regrettable contracts in the league.

08 Sep 2018 18:02:54
if everyone’s trades are so bad why don’t you post a trade him? You are so easy to criticize but you don’t back it up. Be a man make a reasonable Toronto trade.

05 Sep 2018 06:15:32
Tor - D Jake Gardiner (1yr x 4.05 mill), 2019 1st, 2020 3rd, F Jeremy Bracco

Min - D Jonas Brodin (3yrsx $4.16mill)

Gardiner is the leafs 2nd LHD behind Rielly. He has this season left and is due a raise. If he would take $5.25-5.5 mill it’s possible he could fit, however he may want to cash in for more after a few good seasons and he still isn’t exactly the Defensive player we need. Brodin is much more rounded player, a bit younger and 2 more years of cost certainty which is very important going forward in Toronto.

Minnesota gets a good puck moving LHD to take Brodins spot in the lineup. They’re also Gardiners hometown team so may be able to resign him a little cheaper than other teams. They get a mid to late 1st rounder, a 3rd rounder and a small but very skilled prospect who is stuck behind a lot of talent in Toronto. The Wild have a decent team but with Suter (33) Staal (33) Parise (34) and Koivu (35), stocking some younger assets doesn’t hurt.

05 Sep 2018 06:25:42
Interesting if wild can sign Gardiner after the year.

05 Sep 2018 07:08:28
Not saying it’s the perfect move for Minnesota because Gardiner is going to be a UFA but is Brodin worth that?

05 Sep 2018 13:43:14
@ebs, I get what you’re saying but leafs are getting a player 3 years younger with 3 years term left. I feel like the cost certainty alone is worth a premium. Also we would be asking the Wild to take a player 3 years older with only a year left on his contract at a similar cap hit. They don’t need to make this change right now and if you don’t make it worth their while, they just won’t. A late first, a 3rd and Bracco I would be willing to sacrifice to make our D stronger and be able to keep our forward group together for 2 extra years cap wise. Others may not be so willing, but I feel it’s what it could take.

05 Sep 2018 15:47:42
And @mcjesus, minny could sign him the day the trade is made. They could have a 5 x $6mill extension ready to maximize their return.

05 Sep 2018 17:15:48
as a leafs fan I would rather trade gardiner for a better dman than brodin if he is traded at all. and personally I'm not sure brodin is worth a 1st,3rd and bracco in the first place. he has a career, 0.247 ppg and a career high of 25 points with 21 points last year. is he a good dman? Sure, but i'd rather put our pieces into a better dman. I understand the value of him being 3 yrs younger and 3 years term (nice good contract i will admit) but I definitely would rather have one year of gardiner+1st+3rd+bracco than brodin.

hope that wasn't too biased haha.

05 Sep 2018 19:38:38
@Big Z. That’s fair. I wasn’t worried at all about his career points per game or his pt total last year for 2 reasons. 1 is that no one on minny (forwards included) ever put up big numbers, I think mid 60s leads their team every year. Secondly, we will get plenty of offense from our forwards (arguably the best top 9 in the league), Rielly and Dermott and hopefully zaitsev again on the backend. I’m more concerned with the other half of the game that has plagued us for years.

06 Sep 2018 04:22:43
Think brodin and Gardiner would be a very nice pair but got to give one up for the other, its trading offensive de for defensive de which I'd agree Toronto would be better off for.

19 Aug 2018 23:43:04
Mtl signs Patches for 8 years at 5.5 million. Takes less money for long term. Stays captain and mtl gets a good player with the money they save for win win win for everybody. Then

Mtl: Gallagher,2 rd 2019

Min:Erikson, Brodin

Mtl lines


Patches-Drouin-Hudon

Domi-Danault-Lekonen

Brodin-Weber( when he's back)

Been-Petry

Alzner-Julsen

20 Aug 2018 02:30:19
Where's victor mete?

20 Aug 2018 03:44:33
Is that Eriksson Ek and Borodin?! Lol.

20 Aug 2018 16:08:11
I'm a Habs fan and what I would rather see is patch traded at the deadline give Gallagher the C and build around a young new core. They are not close to winning the cup so why try? Have Weber and Price be your vets and mentor the young team.

20 Aug 2018 19:14:13
@ctc, you’re right. Nothing worse that a team without direction thinking they can piece together a team just good enough to make the playoffs. These days, fans are smarter than falling for that and are informed enough to see the real value of a full rebuild. After Leafs finally got out of that pattern and got there sh*t in order, now we are watching the Blue Jays do the same exact garbage and fans are wondering why they aren’t following suit when seeing the leafs reaping the benefits of a cpl bad years. If habs ownership does a presser like shanahan did a few years ago and say it’s going to suck, we are going to lose a lot of games, there will be pain, but we have the chance to do what Pittsburgh and Chicago have done, real knowledgeable fans would be fine with it. And watching young kids getting opportunities while losing games still gives you something to get behind and cheer for.

18 Aug 2018 21:03:22
Minnesota Trades
Spurgeon

Toronto Trades
Sparks (AHL)
JD Greenway (Big-10)
1st Round Pick 2019

Thoughts ?

19 Aug 2018 00:35:08
Thoughts? Your Toronto bias becomes more and more apparent with every post.

Minnesota is looking to compete for a cup, not get a first that will be really late, an AHL goalie and a prospect.

19 Aug 2018 01:41:10
I do not think Minnesota can win a cup with the team they have. They are too thin down the middle and their goaltending is inconsistent. I do not have them making the playoffs. Unless the pacific is that week and 5 teams from the central make it.

19 Aug 2018 04:36:50
Minnesota is in win now mode.

19 Aug 2018 05:44:42
Trading Spurgeon frees up 5 million to make a splash at the Deadline, Sparks was an AHL Goaltender yes but the best AHL Goaltender in the League, Murray in Pittsburgh was the same and look now, Minnesota isn't good enough with or without Spurgeon to Win anything, it's a move that only helps Minnesota in the end with there Goaltending, Cap Space, and another 1st Round Pick to either keep or package it for a Deadline Trade.
For the Leafs they need a Top Pairing Defenceman to play with Reilly.

19 Aug 2018 06:10:55
That package isn't close if you consider Spurgeon a top pairing RHD. don't need to free up cap now for deadline and that's terrible rationale to trade a key player anyway. Sure Sparks has looked good. he's also 25 and hasn't gotten much for nhl experience. Unkown goalies don't get a lot on the market right now especially not ones from the AHL Leafs are better off giving him the backup job and showcasing him a bit before trading. Greenway looks like he hasn't been developing all that well and a late first doesn't get you a top 4 D from a team pushing for playoffs.

19 Aug 2018 07:28:57
IF Minnesota were to trade spurgeon it would probably be for another similar talanted player or apart of a bigger deal but IF they were willing to move him for a future oriented package Dougie Hamilton is a good comparible ( 1st and 2nds. )

21 Aug 2018 00:11:47
I love the second explanation how Minnesota should be open to trading Spurgeon because they’re not good enough to win a cup, br then the first rounder you’re giving them is a great asset they can use at the deadline for a push haha which is it?!

05 Aug 2018 00:06:56
New York Islanders:
Brock Nelson+David Quenneville

Minnesota Wild:
Jonas Brodin+5th pick (2019)

With Boychuk aging, Islanders could use defensive help. Minnesota could use some extra scoring and Nelson's contract isn't as much a burden.

05 Aug 2018 17:17:31
And Minnesota does this why?

04 Aug 2018 16:55:05
Minnesota Trades
Niederreiter
Spurgeon

Toronto Trades
Connor Brown
Liljegren
Sparks
1st Round Pick 2019

Thoughts ?

04 Aug 2018 17:50:44
‘Pinball. Is. Back. ’

*cold shivers*.

04 Aug 2018 19:02:33
i don't see them giving up on lilegren this early, i see him as a solid top 4 in a couple years for them.

04 Aug 2018 20:16:07
Leafs take this for sure.

05 Aug 2018 17:20:28
Ya and Minnesota doesn’t ya hope the Liljegren can be half the player spurgeon is and nino is better then a late first a bum brown and sparks.

27 Jul 2018 19:28:11
Columbus Blue Jackets -
• Artemi Panarin (verbal agreement to resign with the coyotes)

Arizona Coyotes -
• Jakob Chychrun
• (2019) 2nd-Round Pick

Then arizona then takes on Parise's contract

Minnesota Wild -
• Zach Parise (cap dump)
• Jonas Brodin

Arizona Coyotes -
• Alex Goligoski
• (2019) 3rd-Round Pick
• Christian Fischer


Artemi Panarin - Derek Stepan - Richard Panik
Zach Parise - Clayton Keller - Michael Grabner
Brendan Perlini - Alex Galchenyuk - Vince Hinostroza
Dylan Strome - Brad Richardson - Christian Dvorak

Oliver Ekman-Larsson - Niklas Hjarlmarsson
Jonas Brodin - Jason Demers
Trevor Murphy - Kevin Connauton

27 Jul 2018 20:50:52
no way for Panarin trade! I'd say 1st and 2nd round plus that prospect.

27 Jul 2018 22:04:24
Arizona does not touch Parise ( 33 ) at 7.1 mil for 7 more seasons.

27 Jul 2018 23:19:03
Holy Christ no from Columbus.

28 Jul 2018 01:41:03
Don't think panarin wants to resign in zona, apparently he wants to go to a big market team for his girlfriends model career.

10 Jul 2018 21:42:53
Word is Montreal isn't going to extend pacciorety. They are going to trade Him ASAP

Montreal: Pacciorety
Penguins: Carl Hagelin, Zach Aston Reese, 2019 2nd, 2019 4th, Conditional 2021 2nd (if Pacciorety resigns)

Or
Montreal: Pacciorety, conditional 2019 4th ( if pacciorety doesn't resign, pick becomes 3rd)
Wild: Erickson Ek, 2019 1st

Pacciorety value is at a low. Coming off a terrible season(for him), 1year left, and teams know that Montreal isn't going to resign him, so they have to trade him

10 Jul 2018 22:06:50
Montreal would pass on both of those. But it’s MB so you never know.

10 Jul 2018 23:56:03
It’s terrible asset management. They make it known they don’t want him. That loses leverage anyway, but then to hold a press conference preaching attitude and character over skill, then next time news comes out of MBs office it’s saying patches isn’t welcome back. So not only did they lose leverage, but now they raise red flags about pacciorettys character (that may or may not be true) to some teams that otherwise might have been interested. Some teams will not inquire about him, or offer far less if they think he could be a problem.

Like Sens holding onto Hoffman for a better offer at the deadline, knowing all this dressing room crap was going on, and then sold him at pennies on the dollar when it hit the news. But this isn’t media releasing a bad story, this is MB devaluing his own captain lol.

11 Jul 2018 01:42:05
Think the Minnesota one isn't bad, get a 1st and a decent player, think that's really all they can expect at this point. Be better if it was expected to be a higher pick. Maybe a little more especially if there's a contract agreement.

11 Jul 2018 02:10:09
No Jim it's mostly media. You should know about that.

11 Jul 2018 02:31:40
With regards to Hoffman if the Sens did know about this they would have had to disclose this info to the other teams they were trying to trade him to. and if for some reason they could lie that they didn't know and get away with it it would still be frowned upon by all the other gms the same way an offer sheet is when it did come out.

11 Jul 2018 02:33:17
There has been 500 pacioretty rumors this summer by people claiming to have a source but none have actually happened. People must remember the media in montreal is bad when things are going well look out when they are not.

11 Jul 2018 09:22:47
Not enough from Pittsburgh and too much from Minnesota IMO.

11 Jul 2018 12:30:12
too much from pittsburgh
and i'd say yes from minnesota provided the 1st is lottery protected (close 2019 or 2020)

11 Jul 2018 13:43:35
The Pitt trade is atrocious for Montreal.
The minny trade I can’t see them making that at all.

11 Jul 2018 13:45:08
If that's what i'm getting for patches in keeping him ans hoppin to extended or get more at dealine. But not worth lettint him for hopes. Need something now if in letting e0 goals walk out this season.

11 Jul 2018 15:24:17
@Habby, I don’t think there’s any rule about disclosing wife drama like a physical injury lol but even if they were to disclose it in private trade talks, it would have been a lot better for Dorian to talk to chirelli or whoever and say “the dressing room is split, 1 of 2 guys has to go, hoffman is one of them, what’s your offer? ” And move him then.

Because instead, they played hardball, it hits the fan, now a media circus is going to follow him, as where if he was traded 1500 miles away before it went public, karlssons wife maybe wouldn’t have had to follow through on the legal stuff. And Sens fan base wouldn’t have more ammo to hurl at Dorian and Melnyk for losing yet another trade.

11 Jul 2018 15:30:43
And if there’s this many rumblings of a fractured relationship between paccioretty and the habs management, there’s a decent chance that more concrete evidence of that could come out in the coming weeks. And depending what that info is, could affect his trade value. Don’t want to be like the senators, no one wants to be like the senators right now lol.

11 Jul 2018 16:04:21
Yes jim but I think we can both agree that there is usually a lot more goes on behind the scenes that me or you or any of the insiders know. Sometimes you got to ask yourself who is this source that everyone talks about? Sources close to a team that could actually leak true info would not do so because if they were caught they would be fired. why would someone in that situation leak info to a 2nd rate reporter so he could put it in a newspaper for everyone to see. i'm sure a few things about pacioretty may have some merit but I'm willing to bet 99% don't it's purely speculation based on what people think will happen. With regards to Hoffman if Dorian and crew knew there was a chance karlsons wife was considering pressing charges against Hoffmann (wife) then yes this would have to been brought to the attention of the other team.

11 Jul 2018 16:39:54
If there is a fractured relationship it's because patch wants more on his new deal then montreal wants to pay. Pretty simple really and that happens a lot it's just this being a more then usual boring summer with not much to talk about it's being blown up in montreal. Notice when everyone though karlsson would be traded last week there was zero talk about pacioretty lol. or when the tavares saga was going on. People looking for news is all it is. The same thing is going on that has been since last December with pacioretty his name is out there and bergevin is listening to offers. If he gets an offer he likes he will trade him. you can paint it in any way you like but we all said the same things about duchene and sakic done pretty good in that deal. As of now if patch doesn't resign he will be a ufa after this year and will be traded as such. So does he have more trade value now or if he was resigned at 8 year 8 mil per? My guess is he has more value now. Does that mean the habs will get huge haul for him. Probably not. But they should be able to get something that will help them moving forward. Picks or prospects is my hope.

11 Jul 2018 16:44:02
Yeah. I think The Athletic is a pretty good outlet, seem to have some connections and smart people employed. But It’s not criminal charges that she brought against them. It’s a protection order saying she can’t contact her. It’s a civil matter. Cody Ceci’s wife threw a flaming bottle of gasoline on a another woman (accidentally, but what else can possibly happen in Ottawa this summer?!?! ) and the woman was fighting for her life and she has had like 15 or 20 surgeries. Almost guaranteed a lawsuit will come from that too but again it will be a civil matter, no criminal charges and I doubt it has to be disclosed.

Regardless, we will see. Paccioretty has said he wants to stay and a as willing to sign 8 years (Montreal Gazette) but when he’s traded, more of the story will come out, and I’m willing to bet that a real story of a very fractured relationship will emerge.

11 Jul 2018 19:25:04
It could happen jim I'm not going to rule that out. I just think at this time it's just more of a contract thing then anything else. could Possibly be friction between patch and other players on team though. This summer seems more rampant with loose rumors and texts from sources which have been proven wrong then other years to me. i think it comes from this years uneventful draft and mediocre free agent class making very few headlines. To me now unless I hear straight from bob mckenzie or elliote friedman I don't even listen to it.

11 Jul 2018 19:41:13
But on the note of things being disclosed everything is suppose to be disclosed that you are aware of concerning the player your trading. legal matters drinking or partying habits, locker room feuds injuries etc. all could be assumed to affect the players performance as could the legal matter. Off ice issues can be a wide range of things if the other gm asks about a players situation. when trade negotiations are taking place how often do you think the other gm asks why are you trading him? How's that knee injury? Is there any truth about these rumors? A Gm don't just say we'll he's a good player let's see if we can get him, without doing their homework first. I remember when the habs traded mike riberio for janne ninnima there was hardly any talk of riberios drinking problem at the time but gainey had to disclose that info to other Gms and that's the only offer he got. i know it's not the same as the Hoffman case but gainey could have kept quiet about it and got another deal elsewhere and just waited for the other team to find out. But I'm pretty sure the other team then could have filed a grievance to the league and got compensated.

09 Jul 2018 14:54:40
Word is Panarin doesn't want to stay in Columbus.

Columbus: Panarin

Wild: Jason Zucker (signed 5M/4Years), Joel Erickson Ek, 2019 2nd

09 Jul 2018 15:24:15
only if Minny can extend panarin which I don’t think they can because sounds like he wants to go to a bigger market because his gf is a model.

09 Jul 2018 17:09:58
It's because he doesn't want to live in Ohio. Not because he doesn't like the team.
Think he would like Minnesota if he doesn't like Ohio. I'm going to guess no.
He wants New York or Florida type place to live.

09 Jul 2018 17:29:19
These rumours were shut down, his gf did not model the last 3 years, it said.

09 Jul 2018 19:09:23
Apparently she wants to get back into modeling and his agent was covering it up for some reason.

07 Jul 2018 04:12:48
Ottawa trades: Karlsson, smith

Tampa trades: Johnson, gourde, Foote, Raddyish, Dotchin, 1st 2019, 2nd 2019

Just taking a wild guess on what it would take for this trade. What do y'all think?

07 Jul 2018 05:18:39
Take out Like Gourde and the 2nd.

07 Jul 2018 06:53:10
Thats waaaay too much

07 Jul 2018 08:58:12
Lol maybe want Kuch, Point, Serg and Vasy as well? Sure, take'em.

07 Jul 2018 14:03:34
This is the type of trade it’ll be in the way it’ll be lots of quantity.

07 Jul 2018 15:58:59
I think any team trading for Karlsson would also have to include a couple of 1st round picks on top of a package that includes a young very good roster player and at least 2 or 3 A prospects. As a team gets close to a deal other teams will try to up their offer so in the end he will bring back a very good haul for the Senators.

07 Jul 2018 15:38:04
TAMPA can’t can't trade 2019 1st or second the year are attached to the mcd trade If Tampa wins cup nyr gets 1st if Tampa doesn’t win the cup nyr gets 2nd.

06 Jul 2018 04:12:59
If Tampa is trying to acquire Karlsson and keep Core:

TBL:5th round pick
NYR:Ryan Callahan (5.8Mx2)+2nd round pick

TBL:4th round pick
CBJ:Dan Girardi (3Mx1)+6th round pick

TBL:6th round pick
MIN:Brayden Coburn (3.7Mx1)+7th round pick

TBL:2nd round pick+3rd round pick
CAR:Tyler Johnson (5Mx6)

They free up 17.5M assuming they all waive their NTC

Sign and Trade

TBL:Karlsson (11Mx7)
OTT:Foote, Raddysh, Katchouk,2020 1st round pick,2021 2nd round pick

Is this enough for a signed Karlsson?

Next Years Lineup:

Miller-Stamkos-Kucherov
Palat-Point-Gourde
Killorn-Cirelli-Joseph
Conacher-Paquette-Andreoff

Hedman-Karlsson
McDonagh-Stralman
Sergachev-Dotchin

Vasilevskiy
Domingue.

06 Jul 2018 05:16:21
Why would Tampa do a sign and trade and not get 8 years.

06 Jul 2018 05:59:55
Im with Kobalis seems a little too much for giving up their future.. ottawa would need to take back a roster player with a reasonable salary

06 Jul 2018 10:51:06
I agreed on the 8 years and added my own input lol sounded dumb for a sec

06 Jul 2018 13:52:03
Kucherov couldn’t resign ( assuming he won’t take less then Karlsson ) after resigning McDonagh it kinda took away to add a star long term. My guess is he’ll just be a rental.

06 Jul 2018 14:26:04
Not even close for Karlsson. point sergachev and a 1st is a good starting point.

06 Jul 2018 15:19:24
Talks last night was kucherov could be traded elsewhere to make room for Karlsson and also recoup assets used to acquire Karlsson. As a leaf fan, I would be happy to see Tampa get Karlsson if it means lose kucherov. Karlsson is amazing, but with Hedman, McD, stralman and Sergachev, their blueline is already great. If they lose Kuch upfront, I’m much happier facing them. Without Kuch, If stamkos ever gets hurt or sick again, they’re so thin up front. Looking like 2 powerhouses in the Atlantic for years, I’d rather our crazy good forwards and weaker D face a great D core and weak forwards than a team with multiple game breakers up front and on the back end.

06 Jul 2018 15:26:32
Ottawa better insist that Sergachev be in the deal.

06 Jul 2018 15:32:08
On a lot of teams Karlsson can immediately make them twice as good. I don’t think that’s the case with Tampa. If he wants to be there, they should definitely try to make it work, but by the time they lose other good players, and pay assets to dump contracts, I honestly don’t know how much better they are overall. But interesting for sure. Especially if this happens, Karlssons wife will need to re-do a restraining order for the state of Florida because after sending Hoffman 1500miles away, they will be a cpl hours apart again and playing head to head opening night lol.

06 Jul 2018 16:09:40
@Unbiased Jim the idea seems ridiculous Stamkos + Kuch is a ridiculous line I’d rather keep kuch and run with the lineup they have. There team would look very similar to Nashville with Karlsson in- Kuch out.

06 Jul 2018 17:41:01
If they lose kuch just to get karlson they are idiots. I'd sooner trade stamkos then kucherov.

06 Jul 2018 18:04:54
@Habby, agreed. Stacking D is great if you can do it. But look at teams with what’s looked at as the deepest D cores in the league for the last 3-4 years (Calgary, Carolina, Anaheim, Nashville) and what they have accomplished. Only Nashville has had any success to speak of. As where teams with decent-good D cores but multiple game breakers up front (penguins, capitals, bruins, Tampa) have had far more success going deeper or even winning cups.

06 Jul 2018 19:45:15
A team only really need 2-3 really solid defensemen with 3 being okay. They’ll handle all the minutes, it’s at forward is where you need the fire power to keep pressuring and getting those scoring opportunities to win a cup imo need the depth up front for sure.

06 Jul 2018 20:08:24
Yeah if they were lacking on d I could almost see it but they should be ok I would think.

06 Jul 2018 20:10:23
100 point scorers don't exactly grow on trees these days lol.

06 Jul 2018 23:38:05
Only thing that makes sense to me is that Tampa has been the favourite in the division for a while. When leafs added Tavares and all the talk was that teams would have to put their top D on either Matthews or Tavares leaving the other one with an easy night.

Maybe this is yzermans way of responding. Then they can have Karlsson and hedman play together and dominate against the majority of teams and then separate them to match up against Tavares/ Matthews, Baxkstrom/ Kuznetsov and Crosby/ Malkin etc.

04 Jul 2018 18:33:33
Habs: Max Pacioretty

Wild: Dumba

Pacioretty has lost value, last year I would have thought this deal was crazy. Montreal desperately needs D Dumba would be on the first pair. Minny has lots of good d and forwards. Pacioretty could complete the top six
Kouvi -Parise- Pacioretty ( beast line)
Coyle/ stall - niderettor- zucker ( one of best top six in the nhl.

04 Jul 2018 19:31:06
Won't work for Habs as they need a L Shot D Dumba shoots R.

04 Jul 2018 19:38:47
Dumba isn’t going anywhere.

04 Jul 2018 19:47:05
I don’t know if I never appreciated how good Dumba was, or if he never played as good as he did i that first round series against the Jets. But he was really impressive. If habs could get him I think it would be a good deal for both. Only I believe he’s a RHD, a player like him to play LD with Weber would be better.

04 Jul 2018 22:18:08
Still guys MONTREAL NEEDS D EITHER WAY😂😂 even if it’s the wrong hand.

05 Jul 2018 04:03:44
Overvaluing Pacioretty.

05 Jul 2018 04:44:12
@dangle, I said it was a good move for Montreal regardless, but LHD makes MORE sense. When your best d makes 7.5 mill and is RHD, common sense says “get him a partner”. Never said they can’t use a good RHD though.

05 Jul 2018 16:49:24
Ok but still why does Minnesota do it? Dumba is younger, better, and a defenseman which Minnesota has zero in their farm system! I guess though if it helps Canadian teams you guys don’t care! Start thinking before ya guys post or respond to this garbage.

05 Jul 2018 17:46:48
I don't understand how a lot of people undervalue pacioretty . yet will go bonkers over a guy like nylander. Makes no sense.

05 Jul 2018 19:12:48
Probably because Nylander is 20 already more effective then Patches and on a ELC. Where as Patches is a pending UFA coming of his worst season.

05 Jul 2018 20:09:26
Because Nylander put up 61 pts in 81 games with a +20 making 900k at 20 years old and is under team control for 7 more years. Patches put up 37 pts in 61 games with a -16 making 4.5mill and is under team control for less than a calendar year. I don’t understand how people don’t see he’s worth more lol.

06 Jul 2018 01:39:09
Nylander plays with Matthews or Kardi. Pacioretty plays with Danualt or an even worst center. Also completely different playing styles to compare them. Nylander is a playmaker and pacioretty is goal scorer.

06 Jul 2018 13:58:00
The funny part about people with the Pacioretty talks is you have to actually look at what he's done with who he did it with. He's been a consistent 30+ goals 60+ points (yes he had one bad year) with very little help.

03 Jul 2018 06:02:09
Leafs
• (C) Nazem Kadri
Hurricanes
• (D) Justin Faulk

Leafs
• (C) Connor Brown
• (D) Travis Dermott
• (2019) 1st Round-Pick
Wild
• (D) Jonas Brodin


Morgan Rielly - Justin Faulk
Jonas Brodin - Nikita Zaitsev
Jake Gardiner - Ron Hainsey

03 Jul 2018 12:43:10
i like it but i don't think toronto would want to give up dermott.

03 Jul 2018 15:25:08
Not a chance Toronto makes either of those moves. Brutal.

03 Jul 2018 15:40:56
The Kadri for Faulk one makes an ounce of sense but I wouldn’t do it. But Connor brown is a great 3rd lone who can chip in 15-20 goals and kills penalties lock in at 2mill at only 24, dermott at 21 is our brightest light on D on a cheap contract (something we now really need) . That second trade is awful.

03 Jul 2018 16:15:44
Don’t wanna break up that center depth. And as for the 2nd Trade I’d try to switch Brodin with Dumba.

28 Jun 2018 19:41:32
Wild- nino niederreiter 500k retained 4.75 cap to oil

Oil- zach kassian, Shane starrett, 2019 1st round pick.

28 Jun 2018 20:20:22
somethig other than the 1st. 1sts are way to valuable now a days.

28 Jun 2018 20:30:42
Nino is far too good for that offer. He has a lot more value to his team than just offensive stats. The guy ia an all round player. Highly underated.

28 Jun 2018 20:42:42
The first is used to close the gap of quality of player and also for wild to retain the 500k. I built a team with that trade and needed the savings to get my 23 man roster.

28 Jun 2018 22:02:11
need the first rounder in there or wild don’t bother lol you’re trading a good 4th liner/ okay 3rd line player and an ECHL goalie for a 25 year old with 20, 24, 25 and 18 goals (missed 20 games) in last 4 years and a bit of salary retention. You can’t just give them your garbage for it lol.

29 Jun 2018 16:48:50
Unbiased Jim what you don’t understand is oilers garbage is others teams gold lol but honestly would you guys trade nuge for Winnik, a no name prospect and Minnesota’s 2019 1st. didn’t think so.

29 Jun 2018 18:16:56
@vbb it seems to go in cycles. They’re extremely reasonable for a while and then hey get fixated on one player and all of a sudden he worth 5x what any normal thinking fan would believe. Then slowly goes back to normal. It was Ethan Bear for a bit, then there was another that escapes me right now, then it was Yamamoto after that. It’ll come back to earth.

29 Jun 2018 18:25:48
2 days ago I was told that yamamoto was the biggest steal of the draft at 22nd lol ahead of liljegren at 17th who won a championship playing top 4 min while being youngest player in the AHL. Ahead of Morgan Frost who shredded the OHL and dragged the greyhounds to the finals (picked 27th) and ahead of Tolvanen at 30 who tore up the KHL and will be a top 6 on Nashville this October.

“Yamamoto would have been top 5 if he was bigger” lol don’t give me that crap on the same week Martin St Louis is a hall famer. Teams aren’t ignorant to that anymore. The game is built for small, skilled, fast players. It wouldn’t have made a difference.

30 Jun 2018 00:17:47
Minnesota wouldn’t budge with that first rounder they would have to take someone like Ennis or parise (which I know wouldn’t happen) to even make them think of that! Why lose a good player for slobs!

28 Jun 2018 19:37:48
Wild- Coyle
Oil- Caleb Jones, 2019 2nd round pick.

28 Jun 2018 20:47:25
Would love that but got to clear out a roster player as well, but could see minny rejecting.

28 Jun 2018 21:41:42
No from Minnesota.

30 Jun 2018 00:15:04
Minnesota would laugh at you! It’ll take that bum nudge for Minnesota to even think about it.

 
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