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06 Jun 2018 22:01:43
Canucks trade: baertschi, tanev, Nilsson

Islanders trade: Ladd, 12th overall, 1st round pick 2019

Sign Jt

Lee Jt Bailey
Beauvillier barzal eberle
Baertschi Nelson prince
Johnson Wagner clutterbuck

Leddy tanev
Boychuk pulock
Hickey Davidson

Nilsson

Then Canucks trade 7th overall and 4th round pick for hanifin

Draft Wilde or smith at 12



Hanifin

07 Jun 2018 00:44:44
look Kodes77 no one has interest in these players when you make a trade think about if you were a fan of the other team if you would do it.
Your trades look really biased and pretty bad tbh.

03 Jun 2018 03:31:12
Jake Gardiner (D - 4.2 Million x 1 Year; Extension - 5.25 Million x 4 Years) + Jeremy Bracco (RW -ELC) + 2018 1st Round Draft Selection (#25) to the Edmonton Oilers in exchange for Matt Benning (D - RFA; Extension - 2.4 Million x 4 Years) + 2018 1st Round Draft Selection (#10).

- Edmonton upgrades bigtime on defence, and gets their true offensive dman, who, if played on the top PP unit, could be a perennial 50-60 point man as McDavid’s point man. He may be suspect defensively, but that's because he doesn’t have support on defence; Edmonton has Darnell Nurse that can compliment Gardiner’s ‘wild’ style well.
- Toronto downgrades in general in defence, but gets a dman of need: a more defensively sound dman. They upgrade in terms of picks, and thus, that pick can be traded for more defensive assets for the ‘now’.

2018 1st Round Draft Selection (#10 - From Edmonton) + Calvin Pickard (G - 1.0 Million x 1 Year) to the Los Angeles Kings in exchange for Jake Muzzin (D - 4.0 Million x 2 Years) .

- Los Angeles, despite being involved in Phil Kessel trade rumors, should really be looking at a solid rebuild, and should be trading some of their veterans in order to acquire higher picks. They also acquire a decently young backup goalie who could probably fetch decent value at the 2019 trade deadline.
- Toronto acquires their true top pairing shutdown dman. Muzzins older than most of Toronto’s team, but he provides excellent shutdown prowess, and a solid veteran presence. Muzzin is not necessarily a household name, but he's a solid, veteran dman who would improve Toronto vastly.

(Basically, Gardiner + Bracco + Pickard + #25 for Muzzin + Benning; imo, that's not too far off, Gardiner [w. extension] + #25 gets Muzzin, Bracco and Pickard gets Benning)

Free Agency:
Austin Czarnik - 1.5 Million x 3 Years
Michael Kempny - 2.2 Million x 2 Years
Patrick Maroon - 3.0 Million x 1 Year

Resigning:
William Nylander - 6.0 Million x 7 Years
Andreas Johnsson - 2.25 Million x 4 Years

Lineup:
Zach Hyman - Auston Matthews - William Nylander
Patrick Marleau - Nazem Kadri - Mitchell Marner
Andreas Johnsson - Austin Czarnik - Kasperi Kapanen
Patrick Maroon - Par Lindholm - Connor Brown

Jake Muzzin - Nikita Zaitsev
Morgan Rielly - Matt Benning
Ron Hainsey/ Michael Kempny - Travis Dermott

Frederik Andersen
Garrett Sparks.

03 Jun 2018 12:35:00
Edm doesn't need another LEFT handed D man. Come on people. Nurse. Klefbom. Russell. Sekera. Now Gardiner? And Matt Benning isn't good enough for your second pairing.
Oilers aren't giving you 10th overall for leftie Gardiner. Sorry.

03 Jun 2018 12:36:19
I would just rather trade it for Muzzin than Gardiner. Lol.

03 Jun 2018 13:09:34
@Yup
I see where your coming from, but a lot of articles that I’ve read, at least for Toronto, aaid that although a #1 RHD is a priority, a #1 d in general is a priority, albeit RHD or LHD. because you can try and play people off-hand. Should be the same with Edmonton, a 1 offensive dman should be their number 1 priority, because a #1 RHD offensive dman limits the amount of players, and often, you’d find RHD worth more simply because of this. I’m pretty sure you can get players to play offhand and it won't be too bad tbh, but idk.

But Gardiner and 25 for 10 isn't that bad, is it?

03 Jun 2018 13:37:03
I’d rather keep the 10th overall rather then trade it for Muzzin. Also I agree with yup on this one Edmonton is pretty stacked with LHD although he’d instantly become their top pp dman. Gardiner would be on the Bottom pairing with sheltered offensive zone starts.

31 May 2018 23:47:50
Det: 1st round pick 2018 (#6)
NYI: 1st round pick 2018 (#12)+Ho-Sang+Dal Colle


Holland said he was up to trading the 6th pick for the right price. Maybe Ho-Sang and Dal Colle can become the players they were supposed to be with a new team and plus they could draft Kotkaniemi or Ty Smith. The islanders can move up and maybe draft Quinn Hughes, Wahlstrom or Boqvist in order to convince Tavares to stay . Plus they still keep the 13th pick amd maybe draft Wilde or Veleno.

01 Jun 2018 02:52:40
Holy Christ easy yes from Detroit if they are willing to take guys with potential.

31 May 2018 01:54:33
Vancouver Canucks:

- Jesse Puljujarvi (RW)

Edmonton Oilers:

- Chris Tanev (D)

- William Lockwood (RW)

- Sven Baertschi (LW)

==
Canucks get a top prospect, that should get a lot of playing time on the Canucks. A RW with his size and scoring ability should be what a lot of teams want in the Western Conference.

Chris Tanev and Sven Baertschi boost the Oilers lineup. I know that it's too early, but IMO, the Jesse Puljujarvi project hasn't worked out that well in Edmonton.

William Lockwood is a wildcard. He's locked up in the NCAA for another couple of years but seems to be a good scorer. He was injured this season, so we couldn't see much of him.

02 Jun 2018 23:08:13
Way to much for a project prospect. Puljujarvi is a RW as well and Canucks need left wingers, already have Boeser on the right side.

02 Jun 2018 23:52:22
Haha, maybe the canucks can throw in the #7 pick as well. I will counter with
Canucks
Nurse, Draisatal and their 1st round pick

Edmonton, Ericksson, Gaunce.

28 May 2018 11:18:30
Canucks trade: Baertschi, Dipietro, 2nd round pick 2018

Canes trade: Hanifin

Then

Canucks trade: Edler, Granlund, 3rd round pick 2018

Wild trade: foligno, 1st round pick 2018

Draft Dobson at #7

Dahlen Pettersson Lind
Leipsic Horvat Boeser
Foligno Gaudette Virtanen
Goldobin Sutter dowd

Hanifin Dobson
Juolevi Tanev
Pouliot stetcher

Demko
Markstrom

Would these trades be fair? Canucks would look real good in the future

28 May 2018 15:29:11
Love how you throw Dobson right into the fire
Btw if you ever want Hannifin start with Petterson
Add from there.

28 May 2018 18:42:54
These lines holy hahahaha. But wow you really hate baertschi always wanting to trade him in every single post.

29 May 2018 00:12:42
Keyhabs, start with Pettersson. c'mon now.

29 May 2018 00:14:53
Lmao that's the worst line attempts, i ever seen where's gagner erikson and guddy.

29 May 2018 00:19:00
@Keyhabs, I like Hanifin as much as the next guy, the kids a beast, but your beyond crazy if you think you can get Pettersson + for him, I wouldn’t even trade Pettersson straight up for Hanifin.

I’m not saying Pettersson is going to be another McDavid or Crosby, not at all, but his potential is out of this world and he can easily be A LOT better than most people think, and I’d rather keep Pettersson and see if he can grow into this crazy potential he’s shown than trade him + other stuff for Hanifin.

29 May 2018 04:37:40
The other team says no for both trades. That Hanifin one in particular is horrendous. 5th overall pick stud defenseman 21 years old for bottom 6 scrap pieces? Brutal.

29 May 2018 05:57:08
Stammer what do you mean bottom 6 scrap?
Baertschi is a top 6 winger in Carolina without a doubt, and Dipietro was voted as the best goalie in the ohl this season and what does Carolina need right now? Scoring wingers and a better goalie. The second is very close to being a late first round pick. I’m not saying this package is going to land Hanifin but it’s a good start and may be a small add away like another pick that isn’t a first rounder.

27 May 2018 20:25:45
Wild trade: Spurgeon, Coyle, Parise, 1st round pick

Pens trade: Letang, Kessel

Thought I'd give er a try

27 May 2018 23:49:00
Uhhhh going to be a no from pitt.

28 May 2018 01:28:25
No way pens take on Parise.

24 May 2018 17:56:49
Minnesota Trades: Jared Spurgeon, Jason Zucker and Nino Niederreiter
Carolina Trades: Justin Faulk, Brett Pesce and 1st 2019.

24 May 2018 19:43:58
Not one player minny is trading is better than what Carolina is trading lol.

24 May 2018 23:04:26
Mcjesus you might be the dumbest person on here! Sorry Brock.

25 May 2018 03:02:01
I actually agree madeindade28 sorry man but if you take Faulk over Spurgeon you’re out to lunch. Pesce is good tho this is a no from Carolina. Slavin and Pesce should be there only untouchables. And Aho.

25 May 2018 15:55:02
Faulk and Spurgeon May be close, I’d rather Spurgeon. But the others are ripping off canes badly.

21 May 2018 15:55:25
Matt Martin (LW - 2.5 Million x 2 Years - 25% Salary Retention) and 2018 4th Round Selection to the Minnesota Wild in exchange for Tyler Ennis (C/ LW - 4.2 Million x 1 Year)

- Similar contracts and cap totals being swapped; one at less of a hit for an additional cost. Martin is worse than Ennis, so the pick is added, however, Ennis’ production for his cap hit is pretty worrisome. Toronto needs more cap hit for the 2019/ 20 season because of Matthews&Marner’s contracts, so they can afford the pricy tag for Ennis for the next year. If Minny wants free agents, then it makes more sense for them to take the cheaper contract, albeit for an extra year.

Jake Gardiner (D - 4.05 Million x 1 Year) to the Chicago Blackhawks in exchange for Connor Murphy (D - 3.85 Million x 4 Years) and 2018 3rd Round Selection.

- Chicago could use an offensively minded dman, Toronto could use a defensive oriented one. Although Murphy has a longer term, and is locked down for longer, Gardiner is the superior dman based on the previous seasons statistics, and that's why Chicago adds the 3rd Round Pick. Gardiner could be useful alongside a true DFD like Brent Seabrook, and Murphy could partner well with Morgan Rielly.

2018 3rd Round Selection (Chicago) + Curtis McElhinney (G - 0.8 Million x 1 Year) + 2019 4th Round Selection to the Dallas Stars in exchange for Valeri Nichushkin (LW - Rights - Contract Extension: 2.25 Million x 3 Years) .

- Dallas acquires two draft picks and a cheap backup goalie to aid Ben Bishop, in order to not overplay him during the season. Mac played better than Lehtonen, and tbh, Dallas needs to move on from him. Toronto acquires a wild card: a guy who was a 30 point man in his first stint in the NHL, and a guy who has been 0.5 PPG in the KHL. He could be great alongside Auston, or could bust out, be worse than Connor Brown, and then defect back to Russia.

2018 2nd Round Selection + Josh Leivo (RW - 0.75 Million x 1 Year) to the Philadelphia Flyers in exchange for Samuel Morin (D - RFA - Contract Extension: 1.5 Million x 2 Years) + 2018 5th Round Selection.

- Philly has a ton of young dmen (Prov, Ghost, Hagg, Sanheim, Myers), as well as some veterans such as Gudas, so Morin seems expandable, especially since his growth has somewhat stunted in Phillys farm system. Its possible he could use a fresh start, and maybe he could turn it around, especially on a team that could certainly use DFD. Philly gets a bottom six winger who never got a chance in Toronto, and a decent pick around 55th overall. Toronto gets a guy who could be a solid DFD for the future, or a guy who may be no more than a 5-6 dman.

Draft:

(C) Vitaly Kravtsov - MHL:
Comparable: Evgeny Kuznetsov
Rankings: Between 15-25.

If not.

(D) Mattias Samuelson - USA
Strengths: Hitting, Defensive Responsibility.
Rankings: 21-25.

Extensions:
William Nylander - C/ RW - 5.75 Million x 7 Years
Tyler Bozak - C - 3.0 Million x 1 Year
Andreas Johnsson - LW - 1.75 Million x 3 Years
Auston Matthews - C - 10.0 Million x 8 Years
Mitch Marner - RW - 7.0 Million x 8 Years)

Free Agency:
John Carlson - D - 8.0 Million x 7 Years

Lineup:
Valeri Nichushkin (2.25 Million) - Auston Matthews (ELC) - Mitch Marner (ELC)
Patrick Marleau (6.25 Million) - Nazem Kadri (4.5 Million) - William Nylander (5.75 Million)
Andreas Johnsson (1.75 Million) - Tyler Bozak (3.0 Million) - Kasperi Kapanen (0.85 Million)
Zach Hyman (2.25 Million) - Par Lindholm (0.85 Million) - Connor Brown (2.1 Million)
*Tyler Ennis (4.2 Million), Miro Aaltonen (0.8 Million)

Travis Dermott (ELC) - John Carlson (8.0 Million)
Morgan Rielly (5.0 Million) - Connor Murphy (3.85 Million)
Ron Hainsey (3.0 Million) - Nikita Zaitsev (4.25 Million)
*Samuel Morin (1.5 Million), Igor Ozhiganov (0.8 Million)

Frederik Andersen (5.0 Million)
Garrett Sparks (0.85 Million)

Total Cap: 68.725 Million
- Fourth line is the checking line against teams top lines, Hyman, Brown and Lindholm are all defensively responsible and will be the matchup line.

When Matthews and Marner and Dermotts extensions kick in.

Lineup:
Valeri Nichushkin (2.25 Million) - Auston Matthews (10.0 Million) - Mitch Marner 7.0 Million)
Patrick Marleau (6.25 Million) - Nazem Kadri (4.5 Million) - William Nylander (5.75 Million)
Andreas Johnsson (1.75 Million) - Miro Aaltonen (0.8 Million) - Kasperi Kapanen (0.85 Million)
Zach Hyman (2.25 Million) - Par Lindholm (0.85 Million) - Connor Brown (2.1 Million)
*Carl Grundstrom (ELC), Trevor Moore (ELC)

Travis Dermott (0.875 Million) - John Carlson (8.0 Million)
Morgan Rielly (5.0 Million) - Connor Murphy (3.8 Million)
Samuel Morin (1.5 Million) - Nikita Zaitsev (4.25 Million)
*Andreas Borgman (0.875 Million)

Frederik Andersen (5.0 Million)
Garrett Sparks (0.85 Million)

Total Cap: 76.525 Million

With the cap going up, this seems reasonable. If not, a Marleau trade could happen and could become a legitimate possibility.

21 May 2018 18:21:17
U know what u put a lot of thought and energy into this so I read the who thing, some things are questionable? But for the most part very realistic and in depth.

21 May 2018 19:06:29
There is just way to many variables for this to be believable IMO I do like a lot of those ideas tho but I think Carlson gets more and I’d rather a different package for Gardiner and I’m sure Chicago would want more term then 1 year with Gardiner. Valeri Nichuskinin is pretty redundant although I do like him not sure if Dallas Bites.

21 May 2018 19:07:32
Lol ty @Kings.

I didn't have much to do over the long weekend so I decided to make a post regarding what I'd like the leafs future to be like.

09 May 2018 18:31:28
***If Minnesota wants to clear cap space for moves and Philadelphia can take a bad contract for next year if they don't make a splash in free agency:

Minnesota: 2018 PHI 2nd (50th overall)
Philadelphia: Tyler Ennis ($4.6MM until 2019), 2018 MIN 1st (24th overall)

I haven't read too much about what the new regime has in mind for Minnesota's strategy. I can't see them tearing it down as they have some good (not great) young pieces. I also don't think they'll make big free agent moves, but if they need cap space I hope the value is right.

09 May 2018 20:47:06
That’s to much to Dump 1 year of ennis especially considering they don’t need cap space. Want Parise? Lol.

09 May 2018 23:42:28
Not worth to trade up 26 spots espevially not out of the firdt rd to get rid of 1 year of an acutall decebt player. he's worth 2 million so ya he overapaid but for the one year they keep him.

05 May 2018 21:16:19
Wild trade: Parise, dumba, 1st round 2018

Canucks trade: tanev, gudbranson, Granlund

05 May 2018 22:52:49
What bruh 🤔.

05 May 2018 23:43:25
even for that return, giving up dumba and 1st to dump parise contract is not worth it. maybe one or the other man.

06 May 2018 03:48:26
Lol. Wild decline. Easily.

06 May 2018 20:02:47
Only Canadiens.

29 Apr 2018 15:26:59
Edm:Nino N

Min:Yamamoto

29 Apr 2018 15:45:11
Nawwww.

29 Apr 2018 17:54:35
Nawww? From Minny?

29 Apr 2018 18:16:51
Big right winger for McDavid with 3 20 goal seasons already. I’d think Minny would say no.

30 Apr 2018 00:29:54
Minny would definitely say no.

27 Apr 2018 04:06:48
to Minnesota
Kapanen
Gardiner

to Toronto
Spurgeon
Brodin.

27 Apr 2018 10:56:51
What. Maybe Spurgeon for Gardiner and Kapanen but not with Brodin too.

27 Apr 2018 12:45:18
Such an easy no from Minny. Maybe one of both.

25 Apr 2018 18:44:59
Minnesota: Jonas Brodin, Eriksson Ek,

Montreal : Max Pacioretty, 2018 2nd, Jacob De La Rose

25 Apr 2018 10:13:29
Mtl: Patches

Min: Granlund, Parise, Erikson Ek


With all the cap spce mtl has should they try and make a deal for a good offensive center and take on a bad contract to geth i'm at a reasonable price.

25 Apr 2018 14:37:37
no from Minnesota.

24 Apr 2018 18:02:16
to Carolina
Parise
Greenway

to Minnesota
McGinn

Does minnesota need to add? Greenway is a top level talent but that parise contract is really something.

24 Apr 2018 19:47:01
Wtf man.

24 Apr 2018 20:13:52
Huge no from Carolina.

25 Apr 2018 00:24:10
It's sometimes said "that guy is untradable", but the reply is that Gretzky as traded. I hate using the term "untradable", but if it could ever apply to a NHL contract, it's Zach Parise's. Man is that awful.

23 Apr 2018 17:36:03
Edm signs strome 3x3m

Then trade him to Minnesota

Edm: strome , 2019 2nd

Minnesota: coyle

23 Apr 2018 17:56:52
Why does Minnesota do that.

23 Apr 2018 20:33:16
To get faster.
Take out the 2d
One of Minny's problem is that’s they are to big and to slow just like the Kings
I’m sure guys like Grabner or Strome wouldn’t hurt them.

23 Apr 2018 22:44:51
Why not? Thy need speed and there is talk about trading coyle?

24 Apr 2018 00:28:41
I think Coyle is faster then Strome lol.

24 Apr 2018 03:03:25
Strome not any faster then coyle and coyle a pretty soild 2/ 3 line player
Strome sucks.

24 Apr 2018 03:06:36
Lol Strome isn’t a great skater.

24 Apr 2018 04:01:49
If Strome sucks than Sutter must really f$&king blow. Stop thinking he has value. Basically same numbers but Strome way cheaper.
Anyways. Minnesota doesn't do this proposed trade.

24 Apr 2018 04:07:49
Lol i doubt lucic gets more points then gagner or sven next year lmao.

24 Apr 2018 05:25:40
Wtf? Then why would you post trades for Gagner and Sven for Lucic then? Lmao.

24 Apr 2018 06:20:09
Cause i think oiler are willing to give up there first rd pick and sven gagner not good anough so add lucic negative vuale that should be good anough and if you really think strome is better then sutter you dumb when the last time you come up with a post lmao.

24 Apr 2018 07:36:28
Brock you’re giving me a diesease reading your logic wow please stop.

21 Apr 2018 12:40:41
Minnesota: Zach Parise ( 33 year old signed 8 more years at 7.1 mil ), Jared Spurgeon and 1st rd 2018

Montreal: Weber

Minnesota: rids them selves of a horrible Parise contract and brings in a number 1 dman and reunites one of the greatest D pairs ever in the NHL. Suter and Weber.

Montreal: gets younger and Spurgeon is a very good replacement as a solid 2nd dman. The Canadians can hope for an compliance buy out in the next CBA meeting for Parise. IMO after his surgery Parise is much better he can easily be a 65 Point player again if he stays healthy he could fit in the Canadians system.

21 Apr 2018 15:15:09
Parise is done being a 65 point player. I agree he could still be usefull as a second third line winger and maybe on the pp. I would take thus from mtl not sure Minny would tho.

21 Apr 2018 15:36:04
that contract is horrible no no no.

18 Apr 2018 20:48:14
Wild trade! Just to see reactions!
Oilers: 1st round pick 2018 + Lucic
Panthers: Petrovic

Oilers: Russel + B prospect
Islanders: Ho Sang (Islanders could use more stability on the back end)

This leaves a huge cap space for Oilers. Over 17m after signing Nurse + Caggiula + Benning + Strome

Oilers Sign:
Grabner: 3m x 3 (I like his speed and kills penalties)
Maroon 3m x 3 (He would replace Lucic’s physicality but cheaper)
Derek Ryan 1.5 x 1 or 2 (4th lone centre, allowing JJ to play 3rd line with Strome.

Carlson 7 m x 7 or
Green 5m x 2 (preferably Carlson)

Hutton as back goalie 1.5 x 2
Trade Montoya for anything or send him down to AHL.

RNH - McDavid- Grabner
Maroon - Drai - Ho Sang
JJ - Strome - Puljujarvi
Caggiula - Ryan - Kassian
Arberg

Nurse - Carlson
Klefbom - Larson
Sekera - Petrovic
Benning.

18 Apr 2018 23:03:01
Probably what it’d cost to dump Lucic but I’m not sure if edm is that desperate yet.

19 Apr 2018 00:43:54
No from Edmonton, wow.
Could work but I think islanders may prefer younger dman (Benning) and hard to tell when you say B prospect, got to day somebody.
Grabner signing could be good he has speed.
Maroon, no, considering we will still have lucic.
Derek Ryan could be a great signing especially at that deal.
Carlson will seek more money imo, and green is he is 100% healthy that deal wouldn’t be bad.
Hutton would be good backup!

19 Apr 2018 02:24:28
I don't think there's a team out there that would take Lucic.

19 Apr 2018 04:41:26
No from Oilers and Islanders. Would rather keep the draft pick and Lucic. And Ho-Sang can get better.

19 Apr 2018 05:58:52
What do you think Carlson would get? I can’t see more than 7.5 m over 7 years?
The idea of getting maroon is because Lucic would be gone.
Can someone tell me what you think Ho Sang would get? What has this kid proven?

19 Apr 2018 14:52:57
No way Mr Cap Dump Ruseel gets you a young playwr with as much as potential as ho sang. Yes he has attitude problems but so did Tyler Seguin.

19 Apr 2018 15:13:53
Sorry to tell you Ebs but if top 6 player in they're late 20s and early 30 gets 5.5 -7 million for 5-7 year when an actual valuable RHD #1 D that just had a 60 point season comes along he's getting 9+ million. Especially after the seaso he just had. I woulndt be surprise if he gets 9.5×7. he's only 27 too.

14 Apr 2018 00:18:24
Canucks trade: tanev, Baertschi, Goldobin, 4th round pick 2019

Wild trade: dumba, 1st round pick 2019


Would this be possible?

14 Apr 2018 07:16:05
Hahahahahahaha. Watch two Minny Winnipeg playoff games and see that Dumba is stepping up huge while Suter is out so you want to trade for him. And you want them to add their 1st. Lmao. You're so delusional.

14 Apr 2018 08:11:42
Are you really trying to chirp me hahahaha. You must be a pretty sweet dude.

14 Apr 2018 10:34:16
Sorry, This is not possible.
Lol
Better?

14 Apr 2018 12:25:29
Bentley = Brock?

Posts are just as bad and homerish.

14 Apr 2018 12:56:56
Was thinking the exact same thing. I actually thought it was Brock. I wrote my first reply thinking it was him.

14 Apr 2018 16:19:32
Is it a coincidence that once Golden Showers was gone, all these other " characters" came outta the wood work. ?

14 Apr 2018 17:38:25
If Bentley isn’t Brock, they could be best friends lol.

14 Apr 2018 21:09:29
You forgot to add staal and Granlund from Minnesota that’s the only way this awesome trade would get Vancouver’s attention!

16 Apr 2018 20:23:36
Doesnt really fit min soda need or canucks maybe tanev gaudette sven
Gaudette did get any point with canucks but look really set up a lot of scoring chances they need a center.

13 Apr 2018 03:04:50
Flyers have cap space for 2018-19 and potentially need a third line centre until prospects can come up. They also need another RHD prospect and scoring winger prospects and have an abundance of LHD players and prospects (Sanheim, Morin, Hagg, Provorov, Gostisbehere).

Dallas desperately needs secondary scoring from resilient (non-injury prone) players.

Ottawa needs prospects - lots of them.

Trade 1:
DAL: Simmonds ($3.975MM NTC until 2019)
PHI: 2018 1st (13th overall), 2018 2nd, 2018 CHI 4th, Jason Spezza ($7.5MM until 2019 M-NTC/NMC) (cap dump)
Simmonds accepts because he'll want a new deal in a state tax free jurisdiction and Dallas has cap space. Spezza accepts because the Flyers are in the playoffs this year and present a better opportunity to win next year)

Trade 2:
PHI: 2018 1st (2nd overall)
OTT: STL 2018 1st (14th overall), PHI 2018 (19th overall), Sam Morin, Mike Vecchione
(Morin is NHL ready and would've been on the roster but for Travis Sanheim, Dave Hakstol, and 2 injuries. Vecchione is NHL ready with a 3C ceiling)

Flyers draft:
2nd overall: Andrei Svechnikov or Brady Tkachuk
13th overall: Bode Wilde, Ryan Merkeley, or Grigori Denisenko

13 Apr 2018 05:55:22
haven't gostisbehere and provorov played the last 2-3 seasons?

13 Apr 2018 06:30:40
Tkatchuk 2nd overall yikes man better options! But fits their org mold for sure. Also for sure not trading Vecchione, guy chose to sign there they won’t trade him.

13 Apr 2018 12:26:54
Dallas won’t trade that pick as they are hosting the draft. And imo that’s not enough to move up to 2nd overall.

13 Apr 2018 15:55:40
PKane88: yes, Provorov has been playing for 2 years and Ghost for 3 years. That's why I said players and prospects.

McJesus: I've seen Tkachuk as high as second but on average 4th overall. I haven't seen Tkachuk, Svechnikov etc play so I trust draft boards. The only consensus I've seen in this draft is Dahlin = 1st overall.

I'll disagree on Vecchione. He signed before last year's draft lottery and Nolan Patrick occupying a spot in the lineup. I think Hextall sees Vorobyev as higher than Vecchione. As a more mature college player, his upside is lower but entry to the NHL quicker than a draft pick or Voro. It'd be a favour to Vecchione to get him playing NHL minutes.

vbbbvvbb: they'd be more reluctant to trade it for sure but it's not out of the question. Getting Simmonds and making a splash in free agency (Tavares? Kane? ) would offset any PR backlash by trading a pick. It's a consideration but I couldn't see them keeping it when it would make sense for them to trade it given the right deal.

PS I could also see this type of trade (trading for 2-5 overall) working with other teams that need prospect depth vice top line quality. I could see Ottawa and Arizona looking to trade down for additional 1st round picks. Philadelphia has tremendous depth but need top line quality. New York is looking to trade up as well.
Just my thoughts.

13 Apr 2018 16:04:42
vbbbvvbb: "And imo that’s not enough to move up to 2nd overall" I think it's plenty to move up. This draft is not 2015. It's not enough to get Dahlin but 14th, 19th, Morin, and Vecchione is definitely a solid offer.

Morin is NHL ready and is an immediate improvement to their bottom pair, if not their 4 spot. Although the fact that he's a former 1st rounder is irrelevant, he was drafted as a project with a later NHL entry date. He'd be on the Flyers now if not for aforementioned reasons.

Vecchione will never be a top 6 forward but is a good NHL prospect that is NHL ready. Many Flyers fans argue he should've been on the roster this year but blame Hakstol's infatuation with slow, aging veterans.

This is for 2nd overall, not Jack Eichel 2nd overall. 14th and 19th are quality picks and 2-5 overall doesn't guarantee a game changing player ie Dylan Strome. The value is there.

13 Apr 2018 17:15:10
Imo you overrate Morin. Even with Sanhiem who is much better/ Valuable I doubt the other team would accept.

13 Apr 2018 17:31:50
Frankly, I don't think you know enough about Morin or Sanheim to make that determination. Sure, Sanheim definitely has a higher ceiling.
It was a toss-up as to who would stay with the team after training camp. Both had great camps and if we didn't have so many young defencemen, both would have made it. Morin also would've drawn into the lineup this year after AMac's injury and Gudas' suspension but Morin got hurt. He was snakebitten this year but was certainly meritorous.

2 mid firsts, Morin, and Vecchione is a solid offer that suits the needs of both parties, not a lopsided homer proposal. I'd hate to give up Morin and those picks, but quality is the cost of quality.

13 Apr 2018 20:43:42
I just think you underestimate the value of the 2nd overall pick no it’s not in the same Catagory as Dahlin but the team trading the pick would need to be an offensive loaded team in desperate need of defence and is no where near contention. So possibly Buffalo is really the only choice the asking price would start with Provornov straight up or Ghost++. Regardless top 5 picks don’t get traded.

13 Apr 2018 21:15:04
Ottawa aren't trading that pick
Dream on and enjoy the series.

13 Apr 2018 23:55:20
vbbb: I think you overestimate the 2nd overall pick. These are highly talented yet unproven players. Again, please stop acting like mid-first round picks are worthless. The two leading contenders for the Calder Trophy (Barzal and McAvoy) were taken in the teens. The quality is there. I can name a bunch of recent Top 5 picks that have underwhelmed (Reinharts, Yakupov, E Lindholm, Bennett, Dal Colle, D Strome, Juolevi) .

For teams looking for a complete rebuild that who miss out on Dahlin, getting two picks in the teens and a solid prospect is worthwhile. One can argue that Ottawa and Arizona need prospect depth and should sacrifice quality for less quality but quantity. All of those top teams need a Dahlin, but there's a distinct difference between 1 and 2. It's a reasonable strategy. The teams that could trade that pick suck overall and could use any player, but the logic is that two players are better than one and quality picks occur in the teens.

Any team would love to have Dahlin, but the Flyers are one of the last teams that need him given their quality and youth on defence.

13 Apr 2018 23:57:59
Keyhabs: I'm a cynic by nature so I'll assume the "enjoy the series" remark was directed at the Flyers playing Spearing Sidney and the Cowardly Pengwhines. If so, stones and glass houses and such. Enjoy the offseason with Bergevin with a cancerous Weber contract, no starting centre, a thin prospect pool, and a listless captain leading to a decade of mediocrity.

14 Apr 2018 01:05:13
Arizona does not need depth they’re pretty loaded could use another dman and Center. Ottawa has good depth at all positions imo. Neither team is looking to trade that pick only team that could potentially is Edmonton and they’re searching for a different package. Maybe Simmonds and Ghost for Tkachuk? That’s what I’d ask for if I were Edmonton. A potential gritty presence that’s will likely put up 30-40-70 seasons considering he’s more hyped then his bro who is already a Cornerstone piece.

14 Apr 2018 03:46:04
Just took a quick overview of Zthe sens prospect pool there C depth is very solid but they do need a stud dman. So I think a Provornov-Svechnikov/ Tkachuk swap would be fair.

14 Apr 2018 16:48:25
vbbb: Arizona has lots of top prospects (if you consider Dylan Strome to still be a top prospect) but little depth. Ottawa does not have a strong prospect pool. In fact, the Hockey Writers ranked them 27/ 31 at the start of this season. The Senators need depth; they need everything. I suggested Arizona and Ottawa because several pundits (I can't find the article) suggested that they consider trading down. Dorion very recently ruled it out.

You completely underestimate Ghost and Provorov. Provorov is a #1 defenceman at 21 years old and was tied for the most goals among defencemen in the league this year. Ghost finished with 65 points, 3 off the lead for defencemen. Their analytics numbers were through the roof; they didn't get much credit because they were only paired together the last 3 third of the season.

It's hilarious that you think Simmonds+Ghost = Tkachuk. I'd take Ghost over Matthew Tkachuk right now. Provorov for Tkachuk is an even bigger joke.

You're clueless.

14 Apr 2018 18:26:27
Ghost is 1 dimensional I’ll take Mathew Tkachuk over him any day. Obviously Provornov is amazing and almost any team besides Carolina/ Nashville/ Calargry would take Provornov over Brady Tkachuk both will be elite. But you don’t trade a top 5 pick unless it’s an offer so ridiculous you can’t say no to.

14 Apr 2018 19:51:08
Ghost is far from 1 dimensional. He's been a very complete defenceman this year and managed to rack up 65 points. 65 points! Again, you're clueless. Any team would take Provorov, proven at the NHL level, over a talented yet ultimately unproven entity in Brady Tkachuk. Furthermore, Provorov is a better defenceman than Matthew Tkachuk is a forward.

"But you don’t trade a top 5 pick unless it’s an offer so ridiculous you can’t say no to" Again, this assumes that the top 5 pick is a surefire NHL star, which it's not. Hello Dylan Strome, Nail Yakupov etc. 14th and 19th overall gives you two quality players.

14 Apr 2018 20:30:57
I believe Brady Tkachuk>>Mathew Tkachuk and I’m sure anyone who’s seen both play would agree. Ghost is a younger Kevin Shattenkurk. I don’t claim to be a Flyers fan but from what I’ve seen his minutes are sheltered. Again I don’t watch majority of his games. I like him but I’ll take both Tkachuk over him on a leafs team who needs a RHD so that says a lot. Also you’re talking like 14th and 19th overall are going to play in the NHL. They both have potential to be stars but they’re far more likely to bust while the 2nd overall pick is almost guaranteed to be a cornerstone player. I’m not denying in what you stated Provornov>Tkachuk and I’m not saying flyers should accept it but that’s what it’d take.

14 Apr 2018 22:36:19
Yo 1st off you need to understand that they call it a draft (lottery) for a reason!

Just because ottawa finished 2nd last in the standings it doesn't mean they will get the 2nd overall pick. They won't get lower than the 5th pick but also have the 2nd best odds of getting the "number 1" pick.

That being said, this package yet again is a major low ball offer towards the sens like every other pathetic excuse of a trade proposal most of you people post. Get real and start basing returns on their players and assets with actually value not your own messed up thoughts on how they aren't worth equal value to their other team equivalents!

14 Apr 2018 23:46:09
vbbb: you admittedly know very little about the Flyers then talk about how Ghost's minutes are sheltered from what you've seen. To correct you yet again, host plays on the top pair with Provorov and goes against the other team's best lines. The only favourable minutes he gets is on the power play. Ghost was a younger Kevin Shattenkirk when he first entered the league, but not know. Catch up. You keep digging the hole deeper for yourself.

"I like him but I’ll take both Tkachuk over him on a leafs team who needs a RHD so that says a lot" this implies, but it's not explicitly stated, that Ghost is a RHD. He's not, he plays RD but is left handed. Again, you're clueless.

The second overall pick is not almost guaranteed to be a cornerstone player. Again, Yakupov, Murray, Strome etc. And I don't talk as though mid-firsts are guaranteed to be NHL players; you fail to recognize the fact that there are two mid-firsts. Teams wanting to hedge their bets and get two quality players can trade down vice taking the chance to get one very skilled player but it turn out to be a Yakupov.

14 Apr 2018 23:52:15
"Yo 1st off you need to understand that they call it a draft (lottery) for a reason! " No sh*t Sherlock, but it makes it way more difficult to propose a trade with %7.5 chance of the 3rd overall pick etc. It would be impossible to propose a trade otherwise so we assume the draft lottery plays out like the percentages indicate.

As to your last paragraph, I base mine off the value of draft picks by Scott Cullen at TSN and Stats Sports Consulting. My proposed trade of PHI-OTT is below:

Cullen:
2nd overall: 7.79

14th overall: 5.25
19th overall: 4.44

Even without Morin and Vecchione, it's technically overpayment.

SCS:
2nd overall: 871

14th overall: 456
19th overall: 364

Morin and Vecchione certainly bridge the 51 point gap.

"Get real and start basing returns on their players and assets with actually value not your own messed up thoughts on how they aren't worth equal value to their other team equivalents"

Who has the messed up thoughts? You're clueless.

15 Apr 2018 16:17:23
14th and 19th pick have what? A 30 to 35% chance at best of making a real impact in the nhl and not just being role players. They are very rare.
Top 10 have a 50 to 65% chance of making that impact while top 5 are between 70 and 85% which is all but a guarrenteed they'll be something.
This is the equivalent of trading Erik karlsson for yannik Weber and Ben Ryan. who you ask? Exactly my point, it's a trade no-one in there right mind would even consider.

If ottawa had any intention of moving that pick, especially not knowing if it'll turn into the 1st or not and I'm not saying they should because I wouldn't, it would be the islanders who would have the best shot at landing it.

Nyi : both 1sts they own (8th and 10th overall), the rights to Tavares

Ott : Ottawa's 1st (top 5 overall no matter what but best projected at 1 or 2), and either gaborik, Smith, and burrows or Ryan, and gaborik.

Islanders take the risk at 1 or 2 by giving 2 top 10 with the lowest odds at number 1 plus the rights to a superstar who refuses to resign with them and might very well refuse ottawa too and taking on 2 big cap hits one (ryan) who is still a good threat offensively for reasons I've stated in the past.

Ottawa loses its best chance at dahlin but gains 2 more slight chances to move up in a weak draft year and a shot to sign Tavares before anyone else talks to him all while dumping 2 huge contracts which would free the money needed to sign Tavares as well as EK and stone.

Trade value of draft picks example I have off the top of my head is the 2008 draft class when ottawa traded the 17th overall pick plus a 3rd round pick that year to move up just 2 spots to 15th and draft Erik karlsson.
keep in mind that no-one at that point in time could have ever imagined that EK would go on to become the best defenceman in the world.
But a trade for a pick only 2 spots higher costed them a 3rd on top of theirs for a pick that wasn't even top 10.
Trades like this happen every single year and thus if the 15th is worth that much then 1 or 2 with most definitely be worth a whole lot more

15 Apr 2018 16:39:31
If you’re offered to Role the dice between- Tyler Seguin, Gabriel Landeskog, Ryan Murray, Alexander Barkov, Sam Rienhart, Jack Eichel, Patrick Liane and Nolan Patrick or a package of Ghost and Simmonds. I’m rolling the dice especially considering Svechnikov is much more Hyped then Rienhart, Murray and probably Patrick.

15 Apr 2018 16:54:56
Firstly, I doubt Svechnikov is more hyped than Reinhart, Murray, and Patrick. There's a recency effect at play; we only remember Reinhart now that he's underwhelmed rather than remembering his pre-draft hype.

Secondly, I didn't propose Simmonds and Ghost for X player. However, Ghost is better than at least half of your list and that doesn't include Simmonds.

15 Apr 2018 16:59:20
NoBiasRambo:

Your Ottawa trade is massive overpayment by the Islanders. Do me a favour and post that in its own thread.

Where did you come up with those numbers in the start of your post? ie the 30-35%, 50-65%, and 70-85% chance? Let me guess - these are your own messed up thoughts.

"This is the equivalent of trading Erik karlsson for yannik Weber and Ben Ryan. who you ask? Exactly my point, it's a trade no-one in there right mind would even consider. "

This is the most idiotic statement I've read on here in a while and is not at all what I suggested. I proposed trading draft picks, not NHL players. There's a massive difference between trading upcoming draft picks and real NHL players, especially veterans like the ones you cited. No sane person proposes trades of veteran players based on their draft position. Give your head a shake.

15 Apr 2018 23:24:13
How on earth is that possibly an over payment from the islanders easy e? Like get real dude!

Tavares and Josh Bailey will not be back in New York next season. frees up over 12 million which is more than enough to take on either of those packages. Ryan provides some of the scoring they'll miss from JT as well. and any of the top 3 PICKS are and always have been worth at least 2 top 5 to 10 picks. if it ends up being 1st overall this year with dahlin as the prize then that alone is worth everything they gave up just based on his hype alone. outside the top 5 this is a very weak draft class as well. ottawa is basically hoping one of those picks breaks in to top 3 via lottery odds if anything.

16 Apr 2018 00:52:37
I’ll definitely take Landeskog, Seguin, Eichel, Liane and Barkov over Ghost. I’ll even roll the dice on Patrick watching him play I think he has tremendous potential.

 
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