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20 Mar 2015 23:42:25
I wonder if this rumor is true but I just read this morning that if the Leafs draft Connor McDavid they will keep Phil Kessel. Do you guys think that this is a good idea? In my personal opinion I think so. Phil Kessel will finally have the number 1 center he can play with and McDavid isn't bad at defense either. A line up of JVR, McDavid and Kessel could be very fearsome.

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1.) 21 Mar 2015 13:38:47
No I think the leafs need to rebuild with or without mcdavid.
The leafs roster is not built to sustain success even if you add mcdavid to it IMO.
Maybe kessel stays for now and plays with a talented center for once(in toronto) so that his trade value can go back up before dealing him.
If toronto management is smart this team will rebuild, no more band aids I want a competitive team and that means bye bye kessel, bozak, phaneuf etc ASAP IMO


2.) 21 Mar 2015 16:22:21
You didn't read that 'rumour' this morning because it is not a rumour from a legit source. What it is is a thread over at HF boards asking if the Leafs should keep Kessel. That isn't a rumour. Do you not understand what a rumour is (many here don't and think stuff they make up qualifies as rumours)?


3.) 21 Mar 2015 22:26:39
Dude this rumor came from ESPN Craig Custance, I read it from my nhl trade rumors.com. The rumors I read was not from a stupid thread over at HF boards it was from a reporter. Maybe before attacking someone about their information maybe you should research yourself? I respect leafhate_fo_losers opinion but why should we trade Kessel if we finally have a franchise center man in McDavid who many scouts say can surpass Crosby and can even be as great as Gretzky? Of course, there is no question the Leafs will need more than McDavid to compete but Kessel is a 26 years old and has scored 30 goals for 6 straight seasons and was averaging near to point per game pace for the last 3 years. I will say this and I will say it again guys like JVR, Kessel and Phaneuf are supporting casts not players we build around, but if we do get the players we can build around why trade those supporting casts? As you said, it is clear the value of Kessel is an all time low and perhaps making him play with McDavid to increase his trade value could be a good option but I seriously doubt we could ever get a player of Kessel's caliber if not even greater if we trade Kessel to any team. It is possible the Leafs can rebuild quickly on the fly like the Montreal Canadiens, Floria Panthers (leap and bounds better than last season), the Colorado Avalanche (making the playoffs right away after drafting Mackinnon) and perhaps the Tampabay Lightning. Stuck with the core even after drafting Steven Stamkos and became a great team.


4.) 22 Mar 2015 06:37:47
Just because Toronto is rebuilding doesn't mean they have to clean house this summer and get rid of kessel for nothing.

If they draft mcdavd they will absolutely keep kessel, at least for a little while and see if he turns his game around.

Who are they going to trade him for that is equal value?


5.) 22 Mar 2015 14:32:34
^ the leafs don't need equal value back in a kessel deal(which the leafs don't need to rush into) the leafs need young assets back in a kessel trade(picks or prospects would be ideal IMO)


6.) 22 Mar 2015 21:46:01
"who are they going to trade him for of equal value" - do you really thikn a kessel trade is going to be a 1 for 1 deal? c'mon.


7.) 23 Mar 2015 13:04:33
If the Leafs draft McDavid, maybe they don't trade anyone? But, the Leafs are likely going to draft Strome of Marner, at which point you could make a sound argument that they should keep Kessel anyway.

Is it a good idea? Depends on how you're looking at it. Kessel's value is not going to get better as he ages, so if they decide a year from now he's not a good fit, they will be getting less for him. And his presence on the team impacts their ability to really bottom out. With this said, he has generally made the players around him better (offensively anyway), so playing with any young player is likely going to have a positive offensive influence.

Either way, I think Kessel goes if TO gets a "good" offer for him, regardless of who they draft.


8.) 24 Mar 2015 13:16:34
Lightning didn't stick with their core after drafting Stamkos to become a great team. In fact nobody currently on the Tampa roster was there when Stamkos was drafted. Since he was drafted everyone has been moved.


9.) 24 Mar 2015 16:58:56
thats also almost 10 years ago .


10.) 27 Mar 2015 23:54:04
you are telling me when Stamkos was drafted they removed guys like Marty St Louis and Vinny Lecaviller?


 

 

08 Mar 2015 19:37:26
With the recent Coburn trade do you guys actually think it raised the price of Phaneuf? I was a bit shocked when rumors stated that the Leafs asked Anthony Mantha from Detroit, might as well shoot the moon. With Shannahan's connection to Detroit rumors believe Phaneuf will go to Detroit in the off season. I am sure we will have to take either Franzen's, Weiss, or Kindle's contract but it would be fantastic if we get a top prospect like Mantha. I also heard the Leafs were asking Brendan Smith. But despite what the rumors said, what do you guys think the Leafs could get for Dion?

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1.) 08 Mar 2015 20:25:10
I think I depends on how much salary TOR keeps, a cheaper Phanuef (5.5?)will get you a much better return than a 7m Phaneuf.

Phanuef with a 5.5m/year contract should get you a good return (late 1:st and 2 prospects?)


2.) 08 Mar 2015 20:28:09
Quit overrating these prospects. It will take a lot more than Mantha to get phaneuf. If it wernt for the world jrs no one would even know who he is.

Detroit doesn't have good prospects. Mantha and Larkin are not A level prospects.

Phaneuf will go to Edmonton they are desprete for a defenceman. Look for phaneuf and gardiner to be part of a package that brings back one of their 6 big guys.


3.) 08 Mar 2015 22:57:08
I think the coburn deal helps the leafs.
How much it helps the leafs might depend on if they retain some of phaneufs salary.

Phaneuf is slightly overpaid so retaining some salary makes him more valuable and considering the leafs are about to rebuild, why not retain 50% of his salary(most you can retain I think) if you're going to retain any.
Not likely the leafs will need 3.5 million in salary cap space if it's all young cheap players coming to town for the rebuild right.
Phaneuf at 7 million probably gets you a bad contract+late 1st and each team adds a prospect.
Phaneuf signed for the next 6 years at 3.5 million would get the leafs way more than philly got in the coburn trade.
Rebuilding properly will take time anyway.


4.) 08 Mar 2015 23:54:51
Buffalo was asking for Mantha or Larkin from Detroit for Myers. Detroit said NO!! Even though Myers was Big-Bodied, RH, Top 4 D-man that Detroit needed.

Myers in Detroit's mind was more valuable than Phaneuf. So if Myers can't pull one of those two prospects, then why should Phaneuf get one.

Phaneuf is a Top-4 LH D-man with an overpaid contract, bad attitude and can't play consistent on the defensive end. Maybe he can play better in a smaller role and his attitude might change with scenery.

However, You can't get top prospects like Mantha or Larkin from Detroit for Phaneuf. He just isnèt worth that. Phaneuf wonèt get you prospects like Max Domi(Ari), Sam Reinhart(Buf), Draisaitl(Edm), etc. Mantha and Larkin are Detroit's version of those players which are untouchable unless the return is really good. Phaneuf just won't cut it.

A Phaneuf to Detroit deal could get you this:
Detroit Trades: Weiss, Kindl, 1st 2016 and ok prospect
for
Phaneuf(Contract decreased to 5-5.5million).

No team wants his contract just like no one wanted Mike Richards's contract. So Leafs have to deal with their mistakes, they dealt with Clarkson so here comes everyone else.


5.) 09 Mar 2015 02:40:14
Stickboi- who are u kiddin? It's not overrating that's what the leafs were trying to get for doing and got shot down immediately! Quit overrating phaneuf he's not worth as much as you believe, if he was teams would have been bang the leafs door down at any price. And as u can see he's still a leaf


6.) 09 Mar 2015 02:41:10
Mantha and Larkyn are pretty solid prospects, going to be top 6. And I agree 5.5 Phaneauf is worth a lot more. Not sure
If he'll get a first plus two top prospects but it'll be somewhere in there.


7.) 09 Mar 2015 10:12:04
How consistent should phaneuf be defensively, he plays too many minutes against the other teams best players and look at his defence partners over the years.
If he has a bad attitude why is he the captain in hockey's biggest market.
Phaneuf is slightly overpaid just like a hole bunch of players we don't talk about much because they don't play in the fishbowl that is toronto

Phaneufs biggest problem is that he can't skate backwards very good.he will be appreciated more elsewhere


8.) 09 Mar 2015 16:02:49
Wow a big discussion here, Datsyuk fan I see your point but you have to take the possibility that after the Coburn deal the price of D man has become some what expensive. Coburn somewhat similar to Phaneuf, an under performing D man, with a bad contract was able to get a first round draft pick, a third round draft pick and a top 4-6 D in Radko Gudas. Phaneuf who is more overpaid than Coburn is a better then Coburn. If the Leafs eat a lot of his contract I think they could get a lot for him. I am not saying the Leafs will get Mantha or Larkin that's what rumors said and for all we care we can take it as a grain of salt I brought it up to start a conversation and wanted to know other peopl'es opinion on what they think the Leafs should get in return.


9.) 10 Mar 2015 00:49:26
Despite the rumors at the deadline I think phaneuf will end up in Edmonton or Anaheim.


10.) 10 Mar 2015 10:53:43
The Coburn trade helped the Leafs. 1st and a prospect for Phaneuf just because of the contract, value goes up when the Leafs retain salary


11.) 10 Mar 2015 13:10:23
It's tough to compare a deadline deal with what a Phaneuf deal will look like in the summer. The circumstances are very different, as is the flexibility of the teams. But that likely only benefits Toronto in the long run.

I'm not convinced that TO has to retain salary AND take back a bad contact to move Phaneuf (it will be one or the other). I'm also not convinced Phaneuf goes to DET, but if he does I would expect at least one of Mantha or Larkin to be involved.


12.) 10 Mar 2015 17:40:10
The price for dmen went up.
@draisaitl94 insisted that boychuk was worth a 2nd and a 7th max, before he got traded for 2 2nds and a 3rd.
Most people thought he was right.
I think the value went up and most people haven't noticed.


13.) 10 Mar 2015 18:21:23
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I get your point that the price has gone up on Phaneuf. However, Detroit will not trade Mantha or Larkin(Pretty much untouchable)

They might if it was for someone like JVR, Morgan Rielly or Nazem Kadri.

Which Toronto won't do. So basically I think Toronto goes elsewhere. Detroit finds another D-man more affordable for giving up one of Mantha/Larkin or simply keeps them and prepares for the future with out Datsyuk & Zetterberg


14.) 10 Mar 2015 18:33:24
Again DAysuk_Fan13 did I say DEtroit will give up Mantha or LArkin? When did I suggested it that. Your response is extremely pointless dude, and this is not what you think this was posted from the rumors, which I wanted people's opinion, and you said yours hundreds or times, stop repeating yourself.


15.) 11 Mar 2015 10:52:09
Not saying they have to retain salary, just saying they get more IF they take back some salary


16.) 12 Mar 2015 00:36:04
Probably I really think they could get a lot for Phaneuf if they took half of Phaneuf's contract. PAying Dion $3.5 per year is a bargain.


 

 

 

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06 Feb 2015 04:22:17
LOL I heard this from 98.1 FM CHFI that the last time the Leafs went on a 10 game losing streak was in 1967. The year where the Leafs won the cup. Maybe we will win the Stanley cup this year ahahahha xd

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20 Jan 2015 22:57:13
Its been a long time since I came here but in your opinion what do you think Mike Richards is worth and do you guys think he is a good fit for the Toronto Maple Leafs? I heard the Phaneuf for Richards rumors but as much as unloading Phaneuf's contract seems attractive I just feel it would be wise for the Leafs to get rid of their number 1 d man regardless is he is not a number 1 d man on most teams. We don't have anyone that could replace Phaneuf. I feel Lupul for Richards is a fair deal or a 4th round draft pick (and unload cap space by trading Lupul or other players). Although Mike Richards struggled mightily in his time in L.A and some points out he can be the next Clarkson 2.0 he won two Stanley Cups, he is a big center man that is responsible in his own end and is a great veteran. And yes I am against tank for McDavid if you guys had listened to my previous posts

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1.) 21 Jan 2015 04:52:03
compared to richards' deal phaneuf is a bargain.

id only really be interested in him if LA for some reason took clarkson, but that doesn't seem likely lol.


2.) ^Same I would love if L. A take Clarkson for Richards lol but its not going to happen, they might consider a Lupul swap. Although I rather just give up low draft picks for him though


3.) Im with Shankar. Unless they take Clarkson it isn't worth it. But Richards would be quite serviceable in TO. Brings a winning pedigree and solid two way play.


4.) ^Just as I said in my first post MG69. The Leafs got nothing to lose, I mean nothing, even if let's say we trade for Richards and he don't pan out, we can still have a chance to tank and get a good draft pick and his contract could be easier to absorb as the salary cap is going to increase soon.


5.) 23 Jan 2015 04:47:04
i don't care how hight the cap goes, taking on richards without dropping clarkson isn't something i'd like. that has the ptential for like a 15 million dollar 3rd line with clarky, richards and the 3rd guy whomewver that may be.


 

 

 

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30 Mar 2015 16:10:11
Seriously for the price we gave up for Kessel, and the fact that your trade is extremely too underwhelming, its totally not worth it trade Kessel for those 2 over aging players (one with a career ending injury) and a top 8th pick. I know that pick will be good its valuable since its a deep draft year but I doubt the player we will draft will be no where near of Kessel's caliber. It's either we trade him for a package we can't refuse or we don't trade him at all and keep him. He's 27 years old for god sake why are we so hesitant to trade him? If we trade Kessel it should be a return similar to Rick Nash trade if not a bit more if the Leafs are willing to absorb a lot of Kessel's cap hit.

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30 Mar 2015 16:06:25
Montrealfinest, McDavid publicly said it would be a dream come true to play for the Leafs so why would he demand a trade if we trade him?

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29 Mar 2015 11:07:31
BigZ no its not sarcasm and I believe its true. I believe that story because McDavid publicly said it would be a dream come true to play for the leafs, now he never said he would refuse to play for any team other than the leafs, but considering the fact that he lived in Toronto all his life and was a big time Leafs fan growing up and the fact the Leafs are in contention of getting him because we have a high draft pick? Highly unlikely but can it happen? I got no choice but to hope and believe its true.

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28 Mar 2015 07:37:14
Leafhate hey it could happen if Coyotoes win at least 4 games and we lose them all. I would prefer a 13.5% chance to win the Mclottery than a mere 9.5%. It can happen. As a leafs fan that has never got anything in our way, seriously we have to seriously hope or even have a slightest belief that McDavid will be a Leaf. Although I would still be happy to get Strome, its just it would be a good sign for the Leafs to win the McLottery sweepstakes. I have to say though Colorado Avalanche who was spotted to pick 3rd overall won the lottery and drafted Mackinnon, same as Florida I believe, so the 3rd pick in my opinion can be a lucky spot.

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27 Mar 2015 23:54:04
you are telling me when Stamkos was drafted they removed guys like Marty St Louis and Vinny Lecaviller?

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You can't possibly take my statement of the hockey gods seriously. You got to be joking. I was just stating that the Leafs playing good and then crashing towards the end was a recent trend that they picked up 3 years ago. for the 7 straight seasons before 2012 they had always and always played bad early in the season and had to do catch up to try and desperately make the playoffs with little to no results. Ovies hero I really think we should not praise the hockey gods if the leafs starts the original trend and played good near the end of the season and fails to make the playoffs so we have a bad draft pick.

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Ovies hero I disagree. The Leafs started a trend of play really good early in the season then playing bad near the end only 3 seasons ago. The leafs sine the lock out in 2004 had always played bad early in the season and had to always play catch up to desperately make the playoffs which they always failed inevitably. This happened in 2005-2012. In 2012 everyone thought the Leafs would make the playoffs (before the all star break) because they were always good near the end of the season and this time it was different they didn't have to play catch up anymore, well surprise surprise the leafs did the exact opposite and now it became a new trend. I am starting to think the hockey god despise the leafs, for the love of god what did we do to deserve this really.

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^Just as I said in my first post MG69. The Leafs got nothing to lose, I mean nothing, even if let's say we trade for Richards and he don't pan out, we can still have a chance to tank and get a good draft pick and his contract could be easier to absorb as the salary cap is going to increase soon.

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^Same I would love if L. A take Clarkson for Richards lol but its not going to happen, they might consider a Lupul swap. Although I rather just give up low draft picks for him though

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