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03 Jun 2017 05:12:06
Before the expansion draft:
Las Vegas, for their entry section from Edmonton agrees to:
Edmonton's 2017 1st pick (22nd overall) & Benoit Pouliot

Rational: Allows Edmonton to make additional moves without being concerned about their roster for the entry draft, removes Pouliot's salary ($4M x 2 years). Vegas gets a 1st round pick to build with and a serviceable player while they build.

Then before the entry draft:
NYI: Jordan Eberle
Edmonton: Travis Hamonic

Rational: Edmonton obtains the RH 2nd paring D they need with an attractive contract - remove's Eberle's CAP hit ($6M x 2 years). NYI get a productive goal scoring RW to play with Tavares and they move out a D allowing them to protect 3 others and now an additional forward by going to 7/3/1 - Essentially they are able to protect 2 more players as apposed to 8/1 if they had to protect 4 D.

Finally, either before the entry draft:

Montreal: Anton Slepyshev
Edmonton: Nathan Beaulieu

Or

After the entry draft

Las Vegas: Anton Slepyshev
Edmonton: Nathan Beaulieu

Rational: Slepyshev does not need to be protected for the entry draft and he is able to pass through waivers next year, increasing his value to both Montreal & Vegas. Montreal needs bigger bodies that can play with grit. Vegas to increase depth - especially players that are able to go back to the AHL without being claimed on waivers, but are going to have a future in the NHL. Edmonton gets a LH D that can take the place of Andrej Sekera while he's injured and provides depth thereafter.

The general outline may require some additional pieces to be added to make the trades work.

mbell

1.) 03 Jun 2017 06:39:34
Poo only has one year left, no need to give up that high a pic (no matter if this years draft is so weak blah blah blah) .
Could find other ways.

No thanks on Beauliou, Especially for Slepyshev. He had a fear year and will Only get better hopefully. Solid bottom doc guy and Bealiou, another left handed third pairing guy at best on the oilers. No need for more Leftie D like that.


2.) 03 Jun 2017 14:30:41
Also. Not to mention. With Eberle being traded. Pitlick a UFA (not sure yet if resigned or not) and not sure what their plans are for Puljujarvi, Say he starts in the AHL next year, If you trade Slepy, All you have on the right wing is Kassian now. Drai too depends what they plan with him, center or RW.
So you're trading a RW when we need RW for a LHD when we have surplus of those. Klefbom, Sekera, Nurse, Reinhart, Russell (? ), Jones, Osterle.
Absolutely zero want or need for Beauliou especially for Slepy. Just so bad. Lol.


3.) 03 Jun 2017 16:31:29
@yup
1 pouliot has 2 years left @ 4 mill and 2 hamonic is a RHD not a left. Although I do hope chia has a plan for the RW if he decides to move Ebs.


4.) 03 Jun 2017 20:13:24
Ah ya. Him and Ebs two years left. Mixed up with Fayne. That's my bad. Vegas holding bidding wars for taking bad contracts right now. Getting lot of offers Two years maybe changes it for me, Wait and see I suppose.

I said nothing about Hamonic.
I said something about trading RW Slepy for LHD Nathan. B.


 

 

29 May 2017 19:04:09
Las Vegas (from Edmonton fro entry draft: Andrei Sekera, Laurent Brossoit
Rational:
Edmonton: would move a $5.5MM cap hit - providing room for McDavid/ Draisaitl; protects other assets on the team, provides space for other D to move into, and removes the uncertainty regarding an injured aging player.
Las Vegas: provides a proven top 4 D - while acquiring another good asset in Brossoit. Although Sekera will be out until December - his contract is covered by insurance and allows them to have an excellent experienced player in the long run - next year is not win now.
Sekera: is injured and likely out until December, would have to waive his non-movement clause. However considering his age (31 in June), his cap hit $5.5MM, and the 4 years remaining on his contract, he would actually get paid significantly more after taxes (>$1MM/year) in Vegas. Considering his age and that this is likely his last big $ contract and the uncertainty that he will get another one - the $ may be enough for him to agree to the move.
Then:
NYI: Jordan Eberle
Edmonton: Travis Hamonic, Jaroslav Halak
Rational:
Edmonton: finds the RH top 4 D they need. Take on additional CAP hit for 1 year of $2.4MM, but long term obtain $2.1MM in CAP - providing room for McDavid/ Draisaitl contracts.
NYI: gains $2.4MM in CAP room, obtains a winger to play with Tavares, able to protect another D they want to keep and gets rid of Halak, who they want to move.

mbell

1.) 29 May 2017 20:02:46
mbell
Highly unlikely Sekera will waive his no trade clause as he's on a contending team with a sparkling new arena to play in. AND he's playing with McDavid. Don't see him wanting to move to a team that isn't going to contend until his contract is up.

I don't think Eberle for Hamonic and Halak is a bad deal, seems pretty fair, but I think PC wants to see how Eberle has progressed over the summer before making anymore block busters.


2.) 29 May 2017 20:21:45
Some good ideas. I doubt Eberle has value though. So much depends on the two contracts signed this summer. Will McD want Max and how much less will Drai take?


3.) 29 May 2017 22:00:10
Sekera won't move his no trade clause. He signed in Edm as a FA because he wanted to be there. Hence the no trade clause.
Borje, Eberle had 51 points last year. Career average of 27G and 35A. How does he have no value? Yes, to some teams he will have no value and to some teams he will. Just spewing some oilers hate again there bud.


4.) 29 May 2017 22:59:05
I woulda been all over giving Sekera away last year but he was way better this season. Pretty good defensively and 35 points makes for a number 3 D I'd say. Overpayed though but still has value. Eberle for Hamonic makes sense after the expansion draft for sure.


5.) 29 May 2017 23:21:42
Fairtrade/ yup: Sekera, would be making a financial decision in agreeing to this. It would simply come down to getting approx. $4 million more to accept the move. He may want to win, everyone does, but at this stage in his career he may be open to maximizing his earning potential.

The Halak move creates a big incentive for NYI to move on this (probably after the entry draft) . Take a look, they have some pretty large CAP issues.

Re Eberle: it would be selling him low - but the Hamonic is also at low point. The question that needs to be answered is will the value going to increase when everyone knows that he will have to be moved next year? And does the move improve the Oil? I think it does. Larrson/ Hamonic/ Benning is one of the top 5 right-side D in the NHL.

These moves also provide options to move RNH to wing and bring in a UFA centre; Martin Hanzel, Brain Boyle, Derek Ryan.


6.) 29 May 2017 23:46:17
Eberle has value. I don't believe it gets you a top 4 RHD on a great contract though. That's what hall got you, don't see Eberle getting the same, regardless of taking the halak deal for a year. A lot of good thought into it though. The extra cash after tax is something people bring up in Free agency talk but not something I've heard talking about waiving a NMC. Very interesting. Good job.


7.) 30 May 2017 01:05:52
Why give up sekera ? I don't get it


8.) 30 May 2017 02:50:37
Flames - you give him up because of the long-term CAP hit. He's replaceable for a significantly lower salary. He's now 31 with 4 more years @$5.5MM, i've got to think that those last two years may not look good.

Jim - Hamonic's value is off what it was a year ago - he's had a pretty bad year and although Eberle had a down year he has been a consistent top 5 RW in the NHL as far as production over the last 7 years; In a league where scoring is down that has value - especially when your trying to make Tavaris happy and maximize his production.

I think what people have to realize is that a NMC doesn't' mean a player won't be traded - it means that they have a the ability to decide if they want to make the move, it gives them options. However, If a team is asking you to move - do you think they are going to want to stay after being presented with the option? A team simply needs to make the situation attractive to the player involved, they can then make their decision. I think that Sekera may be interested in this option - Considering his lifetime NHL salaries to date - he's made $28M over 11 years. He has $20M left (4 years) on his existing contract - he will be 35 at its end. He will likely never get that kind of $ again. I've got to think that an additional $4M+ in the bank would be attractive.


9.) 30 May 2017 07:27:15
You're such a hater Borje, blah, blah blah. He's no different than FairTrade yup. Start whining in defense of leaf fans or stop crying all together.


 

 

15 May 2017 19:38:15
Assuming Las Vegas selects Matt Dumba from Minnesota

Edmonton: Dumba, 2017 6th overall pick (Las Vegas)
Las Vegas: Jesse Puljujarvi, Caleb Jones

Edmonton: Nick Bjugstad
Florida: Jordan Eberle

mbell

1.) 15 May 2017 20:57:32
Brodin will be unprotected w. Scandella. Not Dumba.


2.) 15 May 2017 23:03:01
Why on earth would Oilers trade Puljujarvi though?


3.) 16 May 2017 00:32:12
McJesus because he is a bust.


4.) 16 May 2017 01:17:11
VB, you're a bust.


5.) 16 May 2017 01:53:35
Hes a bust? Umm ok. he's not even 20. but if a little struggle at 18/ 19 to begin a career is a bust. then ok VB.


6.) 16 May 2017 03:15:51
Yup bust at 18. Nice.


7.) 16 May 2017 04:39:45
Leon Draisaitl was not in the NHL at 18. another bust - right VB.


8.) 16 May 2017 11:41:00
Puljarvi is not a bust at the moment. He could be a bust but ghat doesn't mean he will be a bust.


9.) 16 May 2017 15:12:05
mbell
More needed from Florida for Eberle.

Don't know why Dumba is so vastly over-rated by the masses. He's actually not all that good and I'd prefer to see Matt Benning, Reinhart or Jordan Osterle in the Edm lineup before him. With a possible cap skirting situation in about 3 years, It's doubtful Edm would trade Jesse who is coming along fine. learning English. North American game.


10.) 16 May 2017 20:34:54
Nah I like Pulj I think he will be a top tier 2way forward but no from both teams.


11.) 17 May 2017 03:15:57
Lmao goes from bust to top tier player.


 

 

12 May 2017 23:33:47
Edmonton: Mark Pysyk or Alex Petrovic & Nick Bjugstad

Florida: Jordan Eberle ($1.5M retained), Caleb Jones * Edmonton's 2017 1st pick (22nd overall)

Bjugstad and Eberle both coming off poor seasons, both could use a change of scenery. Oiler's need a big body that can centre the third line - Eberle, has averaged over 25 goals a year over 7 seasons - very likely to have a big bounce back.

Depending upon what Florida loses in the entry draft one of Mark Pysyk or Alex Petrovic is likely expendable and the prospect and pick would be useful to keep cheap talent coming for a team that wants to continue to be a budget team.

mbell

1.) 13 May 2017 01:16:49
Do the Oilers realy need another huge centre tho?


2.) 13 May 2017 01:17:36
Petrovic >> Pysyk
But not bad, I think OIl could do better for that package tho.


3.) 13 May 2017 01:39:30
Bjugstad would be nice to have as the third line centre. Is the 22nd pick enough for him? Because a 4.5 million 50 point in a bad season Eberle can get Petrovic.


4.) 13 May 2017 02:32:05
No from oil.


5.) 13 May 2017 03:35:15
Not bad. It may take more to get rid of Eberle s contract but there may be a crazy gm out there.


 

 

11 May 2017 15:15:38
Now that the Oil are out:

Before/at the expansion draft:
Give them Caleb Jones to select Benoit Pouliot

Then after the Lottery draft:

NYI: Eberle & RNH
Edmonton: Hamonic & NYI 2017 1st pick (15th overall)

Las Vegas: 2017 15th & 22nd (Edmonton's)overall pick
Edmonton: 5th overall pick - select Timothy Liljegren

UFA signing: Martin Hanzal

Provides:
Las Vegas - multiple 1st round picks to stock their system
NYI - two offensive players to play with Taveres
Edmonton - significant CAP room for McDavid/Drai, a 2nd pairing D, and RH blue chip D prospect.

mbell

1.) 11 May 2017 16:59:55
You aren't getting that return for Nuge and Eberle Not at $6 million a year. Oilers will have to take back some bad contracts and/ or a very minimal return.


2.) 11 May 2017 17:32:42
Eberles value is at an all time low. If I'm EDM, I don't trade him, as he won't fetch much. However, in this trade, even if RNH = Hamonic, the 1st > eberle.


And no. I'm not saying Eberles value will always be so low, and i'm not saying that eberle is bad.
but i'm saying that those playoffs tainted a bad image on him, that gms will only be able to erase with a fresh season.


3.) 11 May 2017 17:46:48
Vegas is drafting 6th - even so these trades are questionable.


4.) 11 May 2017 18:10:09
Expansion draft, that is not worth it at all to give up jones for them to take pouliot, especially since his game rose finally during playoffs. Yes he did infact play better.

Islanders trade is say no from oil honestly, I don't want to trade Nuge even for a 15th overall pick and signing Hanzal I don't think is great. However eberle + for Hamonic is ideal for Edmonton.

The two firsts for LVs only 1st makes some what sense, but that's no from Vegas in my opinion.

With that being said I actually enjoyed how you explained it at the end, something a lot of people don't do. Good job for that.


5.) 11 May 2017 19:09:14
Good thought and good explaining but I feel like it's a lot to happen and as much as Vegas wants a strong team 5 years down the road, they need players now too. Selling a fan are on a crappy team for a few years to build a winner is tough in any market, in a brand new one is suicide. If they try to ice a team full of junior players for 3 years they will be an afterthought.


6.) 11 May 2017 19:29:15
It is possible that Eberle and Pouliot get exposed in the exp draft and one of the 2 will end up in Vegas. Edm does not need to liquidate an asset to have Vegas take one of the 2 of them.

If Edm elects to protect Eberle, then Eberle STRAIGHT UP for Hamonic would be reasonable for both teams. PC has the hammer on this deal as NYI are more desperate for a skilled player to entice Tavares to stay than the Oilers are to get a Dman.


7.) 11 May 2017 21:30:42
Okay FT4A, I'm not arguing about values now, i'm arguing about your logic.

IF eberle is not even going to be protected (as per you), meaning that he is not one of their top7 forwards, howw does he get hamonic straight up?


 

 

 

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06 Jun 2017 20:31:57
Before the Las Vegas Entry draft:
Edmonton: Jordan Eberle ($1.5M retained)
NYI: Ryan Strome, 2018 2nd round pick

After the Las Vegas Entry draft:
Edmonton: Edmonton's choice of D selected (Mark Pysyk, Alx Petrovic, Matt Dumba )
Las Vegas: Edmonton's 2017 1st pick (22nd), Edmonton's 2018 2nd pick & Benoit Pouliot ($1M retained)

NYI get a player for Tavares - not the perfect player, but at a reasonable price (CAP of $4.5M) and remove Strome's CAP hot of $2.5M. It also does not make them protect another player.
Las Vegas gains multiple high picks to build with and an asset that they can either keep or flip for additional picks/assets.
Edmonton gets a RH Centre that they would be betting can improve and anchor the third line moving forward. They get some additional CAP room (approx. $2.5M, depending upon the RH D they pick up).

mbell

1.) 07 Jun 2017 11:13:49
1. Edmonton does not want Strome (poor attitude and poorer faceoff
percentage than the current roster)
2. Edmonton will NOT retain salary, they are in a salary weak
position year after this one.
3. Edmonton will NOT make a deal for a Defenceman prior to the
Vegas draft ( already set up for 7-3 protection)

1st 2nd, AND Pouliot for one of those 3? Ya pass. Better off to keep the picks, let Vegas choose Pouliot, Fayne, or Pakkarinan, ( who are the only real choices Vegas has) Keep Eberle who has a good team attitude unlike strome, re-sign Russel and keep the same team as last year less Pouliot's salary.

Poor trade all around for Edmonton in every facet mbell.
The team is stronger as is.
No trade here.


 

 

07 Mar 2015 02:29:28
With the Boston signings today it will be pretty interesting if Hamilton gets an offer sheet this summer for let's say $6M per. puts the Bruins in a tough situation.

cap (estimate) $70,000,000.00
current commitments $58, 916, 667.00
remaining $11, 083, 333.00
Move Loui Eriksson cap hit of $4, 250,000.00
Which leaves $15, 333, 333.00 or $1, 533, 333 per player X 10

if they match an offer sheet for $6,000,000.00
they would have $9, 333, 333.00 which leaves $1, 037, 037.00 per player X 9

I just don't see this working without some major changes.A real opportunity for some team to put them in a tough posiition.

mbell

 

 

04 Jan 2015 03:08:07
After the Perron trade, with Edmonton now holding Pittsburgh's first round pick, assuming that the current positions in the standings are reflective of the picks - Edmonton would have the 1st, 27th, and 31st.

If Edmonton packaged the 27th and 31st picks - how high of a draft pick could they obtain?

Alternatively - what defense man would teams offer for those two picks?

mbell

1.) 22-26 ish


2.) Taarr, your kidding me right? move up 1-5 spots for for a pick 4 spots later? I don't think you understand the valuations of picks.


3.) I'm not even joking, maybe the 22-26 was a bit overexaggerated, but legitimately only 20-24 would they be able to move up. Those picks are THAT valuable


4.) 18-20 would be my guess


5.) Quiet honestly if a team is losing positioning in a pick, they are going to want a LOT to go down and potentially get a worse player, I'd say 2-5 spots is realistic in this situation


6.) I'd say the 27th and 31st will get you in the range of 22-24. Why not get more prospects trading them for a 2nd and 3rd low pick/4th high pick


 

 

 

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22 Jun 2017 22:12:28
You can't trade Mantha - he just signed as a college UFA. Trade him now and you will not get another college signing.

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22 Jun 2017 22:09:42
You know fairtrade, I'm a big Oil fan, and it's been difficult to observe the complete overvaluation you have on Oiler's players. The reality is that your wrong and the Eberle trade is evidence, the GM can't make the vue more than it is. Do you really believe that he wants to sell for less than he can get? If no one is buying at the price you set - then your simply wrong.

Get over it - learn and be better, or quit posting.

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10 Jun 2017 17:01:01
maximum for another team to sign him is 7 years. Then the total amount paid over the contract is divided by 5 years (if the contract exceeds 5 years) for purposes of determining compensation. Assuming its $8M X 7 years = $56M / 5 years = $10.6M, which would be 4 first round picks.

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30 May 2017 02:50:37
Flames - you give him up because of the long-term CAP hit. He's replaceable for a significantly lower salary. He's now 31 with 4 more years @$5.5MM, i've got to think that those last two years may not look good.

Jim - Hamonic's value is off what it was a year ago - he's had a pretty bad year and although Eberle had a down year he has been a consistent top 5 RW in the NHL as far as production over the last 7 years; In a league where scoring is down that has value - especially when your trying to make Tavaris happy and maximize his production.

I think what people have to realize is that a NMC doesn't' mean a player won't be traded - it means that they have a the ability to decide if they want to make the move, it gives them options. However, If a team is asking you to move - do you think they are going to want to stay after being presented with the option? A team simply needs to make the situation attractive to the player involved, they can then make their decision. I think that Sekera may be interested in this option - Considering his lifetime NHL salaries to date - he's made $28M over 11 years. He has $20M left (4 years) on his existing contract - he will be 35 at its end. He will likely never get that kind of $ again. I've got to think that an additional $4M+ in the bank would be attractive.

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29 May 2017 23:21:42
Fairtrade/ yup: Sekera, would be making a financial decision in agreeing to this. It would simply come down to getting approx. $4 million more to accept the move. He may want to win, everyone does, but at this stage in his career he may be open to maximizing his earning potential.

The Halak move creates a big incentive for NYI to move on this (probably after the entry draft) . Take a look, they have some pretty large CAP issues.

Re Eberle: it would be selling him low - but the Hamonic is also at low point. The question that needs to be answered is will the value going to increase when everyone knows that he will have to be moved next year? And does the move improve the Oil? I think it does. Larrson/ Hamonic/ Benning is one of the top 5 right-side D in the NHL.

These moves also provide options to move RNH to wing and bring in a UFA centre; Martin Hanzel, Brain Boyle, Derek Ryan.

mbell

 

 

 

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11 Jan 2015 18:49:56
it's more likely Babcock is coming to Edmonton than Toronto. But it's way more likely he's staying put in Detroit. He has no connection with Toronto.

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Question is - what would they be wiling to offer up?

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Taarr, your kidding me right? move up 1-5 spots for for a pick 4 spots later? I don't think you understand the valuations of picks.

mbell