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26 Feb 2016 01:10:20
Chicago Winnipeg trade

Chicago
Dano
1st
And a conditional pick

Winnipeg
Ladd 36% retained
Harrison
Fraser

Good trade for Chicago big top 6 forward and a depth d man. And Fraser.

Good trade for Winnipeg.


Anybody know the condition?

TheBlackAlpaca

1.) 26 Feb 2016 02:30:08
They win the cup 3rd 2018.


2.) 26 Feb 2016 02:43:38
Believe it's a 3rd if they win the cup. Not sure which year.


3.) 26 Feb 2016 03:05:18
If the Hawks win the cup they get the pick.


4.) 27 Feb 2016 01:06:28
I hope Chicago gets knocked out first round.


 

 

11 Feb 2016 00:52:52
So one year ago was the jets/ Sabres trade

Jets-
Drew Stafford, Tyler Myers, Joel armia, Brendan Lemieux, and a first (jack roslovic)

Sabres-
Evander Kane, Zach Bogosian, and Jason kasdorf

Who's has won the trade so far?
Who will have won it in the end?

TheBlackAlpaca

1.) 11 Feb 2016 02:28:28
Jets did.


2.) 11 Feb 2016 03:16:45
I like it from Jets. Kane didn't fit in and Myers is an upgrade from Bogosian.


3.) 11 Feb 2016 03:30:30
The Jets smoked Buffalo in that trade. Lemieux and Roslovic haven't even played yet and they looked pretty damn good.


 

 

 

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11 Jul 2016 22:51:03
Now that Las Vegas is guaranteed a team. I've got a question.
How likely is it that teams I'll use Winnipeg as an example.
Tell them that we'll trade. A 2nd for a 5th and you don't select trouba.

So give up a pick in order to keep a desirable player.

TheBlackAlpaca

1.) 11 Jul 2016 23:55:01
Pretty likely tbh. I can honestly see teams that are perennial contenders with stacked rosters such as TB and CHI making these kind of deals, as they are win now, and don't want to lose their core pieces. Giving up a pick won't hurt them TOO MUCH. However, if the Vegas manager is smart, he'll make the price of the trade VERY high in order to get maximum value for the player that he wouldn't pick.


2.) 12 Jul 2016 01:03:32
it would have to be a first . I personally believe in proven over picks and would just take trouble and flip that GM the bird.


3.) 12 Jul 2016 01:59:29
See you raise an interesting point in Chicago. I wouldn't see them doing it they have shipped out a lot of high draft picks chasing and indeed winning the cup so their depleting the prospects. I'd find it more likely with teams that have a deep prospect pool that could handle one or two years without a high end prospect addition.


4.) 12 Jul 2016 02:39:41
Would that be considered tampering of some sorts? Think there would be a rule of some sorts in place for that honestly.


5.) 12 Jul 2016 02:55:11
not sure what the rules are around that, teams might not be allowed to circumvent the expansion draft like that.


6.) 12 Jul 2016 03:07:15
Colt these trades have happened in previous expansion drafts. Prices were seconds and thirds in eras where there wasn't such a premium on picks. It would he hard to get a first for a player outside the other teams top 8-10 skaters.


7.) 12 Jul 2016 03:43:22
I can see there being some shifty things going on but I know I'd just take Trouba.


8.) 12 Jul 2016 07:37:07
there'll certainly be gentleman's agreements, shall we say, amongst the GMs leading up to expansion. I'm not sure if there is any rule in place to stop obvious ones (like the example in the original post), but i can't image they'd be that blatant anyway. they'd likely be more along the lines of a useless prospect (whom the receiving team publicly says they are really high on, but everyone knows otherwise) for something worth much more than the useless prospect with the aforementioned gentleman's agreement in place that benefits the team losing the real, processed trade.

these would likely be centred around older, but still useful, players who are on good teams that were unable to protect said player because they have other more valuable assets that needed to be protected (someone like marleau may fit here) . the reason it works is because vegas gets the benefit of winning a trade, while the competing team gets to keep their older player. i can't imagine this would be done to protect a young guy (like trouba, for example) because he's young and can be a major building block on an expansion franchise and the value he brings would surely far exceed any benefit from a trade made between the two teams to allow trouba to stay with WPG, whereas the older player is of much less long-term use to vegas and the benefit of the trade could be close to what he would be worth to Vegas.

sorry if this isn't the most clear post, but i don't feel like proof reading it right now and can clarify some things later if need be.


9.) 12 Jul 2016 08:23:59
Thinking about it now it would make a ton of sense. Not for
Trouba like Shankar said but you can't have a team of 30 NHL players so taking picks from other teams would make sense. Unless I'm missing something obvious about that?


 

 

30 Jun 2016 23:47:07
I read on today slap shot I think it was that Nashville will not honour pks no move clause.

TheBlackAlpaca

1.) 01 Jul 2016 01:30:32
Yea they decided not to, since they got him and his contract before that kicked in tomorrow July 1. They had the choice. Kinda really funny.


 

 

30 Jun 2016 00:16:03
Does subban still have a no movement clause?
For instance when Tyler Myers was traded Winnipeg decided not to honour his no move clause. Because it was not yet active

So does or did Nashville?

TheBlackAlpaca

1.) 30 Jun 2016 04:45:56
Depends on the wording of the contract. Something we won't know.


2.) 30 Jun 2016 05:26:02
Subbans no trade clause didn't kick in until July 1. Few days away.


3.) 30 Jun 2016 08:27:40
Nashville has the option to honour it according to bob Mack.


 

 

29 Jun 2016 19:33:27
So with the rumours Boston is going to send a 47 million$ 7 year deal to trouba that would be 4 1st round picks to Winnipeg (Boston can't do less no second or third) what are the odds this happen?

And what is trouba realistically worth for AAV?

TheBlackAlpaca

1.) 29 Jun 2016 19:59:12
Let Bruins give up 4 1st for Trouba, Trouba will be good but he's no number 1 D.


2.) 29 Jun 2016 21:00:52
I don't have enough bandwidth to follow all this

Hall for Larsson
PK for Weber
Stamkos stays in Tampa

What's next?!?!


3.) 29 Jun 2016 21:05:13
They don't have to be next years picks do they?


 

 

12 Jun 2016 22:24:44
We only have a couple more games till we have a winner. And I just want to know who everybody thinks won and lost around the trade deadline

For me I think Chicago lost they shipped out a lot of picks/ prospects and didn't do well

And the winner. I'm torn between Winnipeg who got the 22nd and Dano for Ladd and parts
And Carolina who did a good job of acquiring picks and such.
Overall I would say Carolina.

TheBlackAlpaca

1.) 13 Jun 2016 00:15:28
Agreed with Chicago as losers. If they keep Ladd somehow that would change though. I'd say the Canes but then again both Sharks and Penguins made a few deals around the deadline so whomever wins the cup would be the winners of the trade deadline aswell imo. As for the seller teams, Canes for sure. Got nice returns for both Staal and Liles.


2.) 13 Jun 2016 01:28:29
That Liles trade was a steal!


3.) 13 Jun 2016 05:08:53
Polak and Spaling for two 2nds wasn't it? That one was pretty bad, they weren't very good.


 

 

 

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09 Aug 2017 12:55:23
You can get pretty much anybody for a huge overpayment. The words on the block never came up.

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09 Aug 2017 01:17:49
@yup

scheifele
Tyler seguin

There's two.

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28 Jul 2017 00:16:21
In no way would Winnipeg ever accept that.

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04 Jul 2017 13:32:58
Jets pass. Lots of money tied up on d.

Also
Morissey
Kulikov
Enstrom. Is a pretty decent left side.

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24 Jun 2017 15:56:08
Did Pittsburgh not also get the 51st pick?

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