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14 Nov 2017 18:36:28
Ott : ceci, chlapic, Paul

Vgk : Marchessault

I heard Vegas was shopping marchessault anyway.

Ottawa has the defence and can afford to move Ceci, Paul has a big body net from presence, and chlapic is a solid prospect.

Marchessault is essentially a rental anyway but as an rfa ottawa can qualify him to gain assets to make it up if they lose him to free agency anyway while Vegas gets more for him than they would in qualifying offer if he walks to free agency anyway.

Senskill238

1.) 14 Nov 2017 19:12:38
I don’t know how sens fans value those prospects but from the outside looking in, I would think that’s a lot going to Vegas from them. Ceci might be enough just based on age, and position.


2.) 14 Nov 2017 19:30:16
Wtf man waay too much coming from Ottawa are you serious?


3.) 14 Nov 2017 19:56:08
I think Ottaway is happy with what they have now in offense.


4.) 15 Nov 2017 00:24:05
What? how are you a sens fan? that's way too much.


5.) 14 Nov 2017 22:11:35
Ottawa is looking for another top 6 forward believe it or not. But giving up that much for that player, not a chance.


 

 

14 Nov 2017 18:28:12
Here's a thought

To col : Phaneuf, dzingle

To ott : rantenen, 2nd in 2019

Rantenen is still relatively unproven yet he has shown chemistry with Duchene this season so far.

Duchene gets a former team mate to help him blend into ottawa and the sens recover a pick from Duchene trade plus unload Phaneuf contract.

Colorado gets a top four defenseman with leadership experience which they have more than enough cap space for now after shipping Duchene out, plus they get a top 6 roster forward to make up for rantenen.

Senskill238

1.) 14 Nov 2017 18:44:18
Colorado is rebuilding, they aren’t trading one of their top young players for a aging phaneuf and a 3rd line winger.


2.) 14 Nov 2017 19:01:48
Dzingle and rantenen are roughly the same age and relatively close in skill level. dzingle is capable of playing anywhere in top 9 including 1st or 2nd line minutes. he proved that last year. so Phaneuf shpuld be more than enough to make up for the slight difference between the two and a 2nd round pick next year.

Fyi Phaneuf is hardly old enough to be considered aging. if anything he's in his prime years.


3.) 14 Nov 2017 19:20:04
Lmao! Delusional. Colorado laughs at you! And
Phanuef won't waive his no trade for Colorado.


4.) 14 Nov 2017 19:30:46
Horrible my god.


5.) 14 Nov 2017 19:57:28
Wanna Rantanen. going to take at least Chabot + White.


6.) 14 Nov 2017 20:08:32
Dzingle and Rantanen are not the same.
Rantanen >> Dzingy.


7.) 15 Nov 2017 00:25:27
Oh man. This is so bad for COL. we're never getting rid of Dion's contract unless Dorion takes advantage of some GM desperate for D and has lots of cap space (and is dumb as hell) - (unlikely)


8.) 14 Nov 2017 21:18:52
Have you ever seen Rantanen play? I mean you can’t spell his name right, he has not played in the same line as Duchene ever I think, at least not this season (he is on the same line as MacKinnon and has been so since he joined the NHL) and you think he is an unproven guy on the same level as Ryan Dzingel?


9.) 14 Nov 2017 21:34:28
Rantanen>>>>>>Dzingel.

Phaneuf is worth a 2nd at best.


Horrible for Colorado.


10.) 14 Nov 2017 22:13:04
At least, Chabot AND White for Rantanen? Man you don't know anything HHB. Just dumb.


11.) 14 Nov 2017 23:11:42
Are you aging new, dzingel is like 25 or 26 and has peaked as a nhl player. Rantenen is 21 still has loads of potential and is 4 years younger and is already better than dzingel.


12.) 14 Nov 2017 23:16:26
Rantanen (10th overall) 21 years old 6’4 211 pounds
AHL - 56gp 24g 38a 62p
NHL - 100gp 25g 26a 51p

Dzingel (7th rounder) 25 yrs old 6’0 180 pounds
AHL - 119gp 31g 46a 77p
NHL - 127gp 22g 25a 47p

. virtually identical hahaha.


13.) 14 Nov 2017 23:26:26
Leafs trade garret sparks for Matt Murray.

I know Murray is younger. I know he was drafted 4 rounds higher, I know he has been better at every level but I value them the same, so pens should do it lol come on.


14.) 15 Nov 2017 04:42:04
Senskill. try doing a proposal not involving the sens, they're all really really bad.


 

 

19 Oct 2017 22:29:44
To ottawa : doughty, Duchene

To Los Angeles: turris, chlapic, Phaneuf, dzingle, barrie

To colorado : ceci, white, tofolli, dustin brown


To break it down ottawa sends Pheneuf, chlapic, and dzingle to Los Angeles for brown, and Tofoli.

Ottawa then flips brown and tofoli to Colorado with Ceci and white to get Barrie and Duchene.

Then ottawa flips Barrie along with turris to los angeles for doughty.


La needs a center now to replace Carter who likely won't be back this year, doughty wants to play with a contender which ottawa is, and Colorado gets what they want for Duchene, ottawa adds a couple pieces that could help them take the next step.

Senskill238

1.) 20 Oct 2017 01:07:02
😳😳😳😳🙅🏿.


2.) 20 Oct 2017 02:04:09
What have I just read.


3.) 20 Oct 2017 05:50:15
You should probably deactivate your account after that post.


4.) 20 Oct 2017 12:11:48
La gets eaten alive.


5.) 20 Oct 2017 14:22:13
Makes sense seeing as how you're a Sens fan and given that team's inability to sell out their home barn I'm guessing you've never seen a hockey game.


6.) 20 Oct 2017 17:08:55
How do you figure the kings to be shafted TopShelfSlappers? Lmfao


They lose their top defenceman doughty, a top 6 winger tofoli, and the worst contract in the trade in brown,
and in return they pick up 2 top 55 defencemen one who can log doughty like minutes in Barrie and not look out of place, and one who can solidify their 2nd pair in Phaneuf (whos contract is more benificial than browns as it expires 2 years earlier), plus they get a center who can challenge for the top spot in turris, a top 6 winger in dzingle to take toffoli spot, and a very solid prospect in chlapic. To say kings were ripped makes you dumber than a door nob.

And the Colorado end they give up a top 6 center who wants out anyway and who's value continues to drop the more sakic drags it on, and a top 4 defenceman,
In return they get their insane asking price for Duchene in top 4 defenceman Cody Ceci who has stepped up his game so far this year as expected from a young guy with the potential he has, an elite level prospect in white, and a top 6 winger in tuffoli gets Barrie do to the sens giving so much for Duchene, Colorado also takes brown as a cap dump to make it happen cap wise but in doing so they add experience and veteran leadership.

Ottawa lands an elite level defenceman in doughty that was very well payed for and basically a left handed Kyle turris with a bit more speed in Duchene.

Anyone who knows anything about hockey can tell you this is a hockey trade three ways as it benefits all 3 teams, both ottawa and Los Angeles benefit now while colorado gets a bright future which is what they are looking for in a Duchene deal anyway.


7.) 20 Oct 2017 17:19:40
Just because some of you guys under value sens players doesn't make you right about their value. Get off you nhl video games and come back to the real world and you'd notice that real life trade values differ from that of a video game counter part. Unlike some of you guys I actually do follow the sport and don't over value players like duchene based on a ridiculas asking price by his gm or under value players turris or Phaneuf based on the team they play for or a contract they signed.

I actually do my homework on players which is more than I can say for you lot. This is why I always place in top 10 of any hockey pools I join.


8.) 20 Oct 2017 17:24:01
And stinks I've been to plenty games and for the record the sens don't need to sell out to out sell the majority of the league. Top 4 in last year's playoffs, ottawa was number 1 in ticket sales out selling even a sold out pitsberg arena. So take that comment and leave it in the trash with the rest of the dirt coming out of your mouth.


9.) 20 Oct 2017 19:51:56
You definitely under value Toffoli. Easy no from LA for sure.


10.) 20 Oct 2017 20:17:51
I dunno senskill, I don't see how they outsell a full capacity penguins game when their stadium seats almost 2400 people less than pittsburghs, but I'm sure you have your own proof in your head of that. Also senators had almost 3000 empty seats for game 6 of the east final last year. That's embarrassing no matter how you slice it.


11.) 20 Oct 2017 22:08:31
Also I appreciate irony as much as the next guy and when someone calls someone else "Dummer than a door nob", not knowin himself that there's a silent K in knob, it makes me smile. Good on a Friday. Thanks senskill.


12.) 21 Oct 2017 00:22:39
i wouldn't be calling the breakdowns as players being "flipped" moreso than a straight up huge 3 team trade.


13.) 21 Oct 2017 00:57:47
Oh nice I was just wandering what I need more than anything, and a grammar lesson from someone who actually believes ottawa was out sold in ticket sales in last year's final 4 when it was actually proven they were number 1 of the 4 is just what the doctor ordered unbiasedjim.


14.) 21 Oct 2017 01:04:45
Would you trade Karlsson and Hoffman for Jeff Carter, Tyson Barrie, Tanner Pearson, Adrian Kempe and a 1st?


15.) 21 Oct 2017 01:05:44
For someone with unbiased in his user name you certainly over value certain players like tuffoli and Duchene while not giving other players, specifically sens players like turris, Phaneuf, dzingle, Ceci, and Ryan, the credit they deserve. You constantly bad mouth them based on stupidity rather than actually looking up their stats and history, or watching them play more than just 1 game. Every player might suck the odd game, that don't mean they are going to suck all the time.


16.) 21 Oct 2017 01:27:46
Duchene and turris have identical stats, histories, and in game performances in roughly the same number of games and Duchene played with better line mates for half of that time period yet a number of you somehow seem to think he's still worth more than turris. Not true.

Doughty is great yes and tuffoli is streaky at best, sort of like a poor man's Bobby ryan, add the 5 year contract of Dustin Brown to lower the value of that package and sending back turris a top 6 center at worst, Phaneuf a solid 3-4 defenceman to make up browns bad contract with one that is 2 years shorter, Barrie a proven top 4 defenceman who can log top 2 minutes, chlapic who is a top 3 or 4 prospect in ottawas system with a ton of potential, and dzingle is not that far off what tuffoli can do anyway.

Duchene worth a bit more than tuffoli, Barrie worth a bit more than Ceci, but adding white 2nd best prospect in Ottawa's system and highly sought over by other teams in the league, and the contract, leadership, and experience of Dustin Brown to the mix and it balances out.


17.) 21 Oct 2017 01:46:43
Wow you really are delusional af.


18.) 21 Oct 2017 01:54:42
Englander that's nowhere close to the same value I mentioned.

Sure doughty And karlsson are roughly the same value, but Hoffman out values tuffoli anyday due to greater point totals and consistency, Barrie in both deals cancels himself out, Pearson and dzingle are roughly the same, Phaneuf far more valuable than clempe, chlapic = a 1st round pick, while turris > carter for a number of reasons not including points per game totals as that roughly equal but rather age for instance, turris in his prime while Carter is much older and bound to go on the decline in the next couple years, plus he just suffered a season ending injury.


19.) 21 Oct 2017 08:29:00
Facelift39 lmao I'm delusional?

At least I can back my trade proposals up with cold hard facts stemming straight from nhl. com and backed with full stats and player historys as well as putting a proper value on top prospects rather than basing their value solely on the number of nhl games they've played.

Guys like you can easily make claims that my proposals are no good and that I'm delususional because of them but the fact is you guys can't back up what you're putting out there while I can with support from nhl official web site.

You continually say my trades are bad but you can't offer 1 reason why to back up your claims because you know they're not bad. Sure the odd 1 every once in a while could use some twerking but not all of them and certainly not this one.


20.) 21 Oct 2017 12:09:56
Phaneuf is the same in value as Brown. Look what Toronto took to give him to you. A 2nd, a guy shipped for Pickard and three cap dumps. His value has also dropped significantly since.

As well, we don't undervalue Dzingel and Chlapik. We just think that they are both much worse than anything else. They are the two worst assetts (apart from Brown) in The deal.


21.) 21 Oct 2017 13:51:25
Okay no Kempe>>>>Phaneuf. Phaneuf has no value and proved that when they tried to trade him away and there was no takers. And Turris is a pending UFA I’ll take carter over him anyday UFA or not.


22.) 21 Oct 2017 15:22:54
I assume I'm the guy you mean who claims to be unbiased but over values toffoli and Duchene and never once have I talked about toffoli or his value, nor am I a fan of Colorado or LA. I am as confused by that almost as much as every one of your posts. Carry on.


23.) 21 Oct 2017 15:30:06
LOL. I'm with Lindss on this one.

And yes, you're insanely delusional Senskill. It's not even funny.


24.) 21 Oct 2017 15:36:10
I've also never bad mouthed turris, Hoffman, certainly not Karlsson. I also watch quite a few senators games, 5-6 a year vs the leafs (was 8 till a cpl years ago) and a few others from time to time if I see it on. I was a guy that defended phaneuf against haters for years when he was a leaf and still like him as a player and as a guy, just makes too much money, which isn't his fault at all. Blame leafs management for giving it to him, and sens management for taking it on.

You are so defensive that you will make up what other people say to make them seem like the bad guy when in reality, as the comments from everyone that isn't you on this thread shows, you're out to lunch on player evaluations. I would like you to find where I bad mouthed any senator player.

Leafs traded phaneuf for a 2nd round pick, a C level prospect and 3 cap dumps to the sens. And you said you could move his 4 years at 7 mill straight up for James Neal. let's figure out who overvalues his own teams assets while diminishing others. Once James Neal arrives in Ottawa you will say he's a former 40 goal scorer on a good contract and 'flip' him for doughty. But kings wil have to add a small incentive because doughty has an extra year at more money, right?


25.) 21 Oct 2017 15:36:30
"This is why I place top 10 in any hockey pools I join"
LMAO! Nomination for quote of the year right there.

Cold hard facts? Your players values are coming off your OPINIONS. Dude. And you're WAY off its crazy.
You embarrass yourself bro. They ARE bad. Very very very bad! Constantly BAD! Lol!


26.) 21 Oct 2017 15:42:28
Just read too that you said browns bad contract brings down the value of toffoli and doughty in the package coming to the sens. but then when you flip him to Colorado, his 'leadership and experience' is all of a sudden an asset LOL come on man. The contract gets better and his attributes go up in the 15 minutes he's a senator? Of course they do.


27.) 22 Oct 2017 18:47:33
Chlapic and dzingle the lowest value in the trade? Lmfao clearly you're the delusional one if you actually believe that topshelfslapper lol

Dzingles rookie season sees him land top 6 minutes in a number of games and 32 points in 80 games as well as being regarded as one of the fastest players in the league while chlapic is an easy B+/ A- prospect at this point and proved he can hang in this year's preseason.


28.) 23 Oct 2017 17:24:01
Oh and besides that, how often, in real life not video games, do you see a trade involving a superstar or 2 going one way and the same number of superstars with equal value going back?

The answer is maybe like 15% of the time. The other 85% of the time it's the best offer to come along because

1 - a player demands a trade because they don't want to play there anymore (like in Duchene case)

2 - a player wants to be traded because they want to win and feel their team is not capable of doing so and would rather be somewhere that can (as stated by doughty earlier this year)

3 - team is looking to rebuild using draft picks and rookies

4 - to make room for a huge free agent signing

5 - to move up in a draft

6 - to dump salary

Etc etc etc

Point is majority of the trades that actually happen are usually trades that involve a super star on one side but not necessarily on the other which is why you have no choice at times but look look at the values of top picks and prospects to or impact a player has on a team or role they play.

For instance they way you make deals I could see you accepting a deal if I offered you Matt Duchene for the guarenteed 1st overall pick in the current years draft but any smart gm would laugh in my face at that offer and tell me to add more if i wanted to be considered as that pick is more valuable down the road.


 

 

19 Oct 2017 22:00:59
So Carter is most likely out for the season meaning the kings will most likely need to replace him if they hope to make playoffs.

To ottawa : doughty, duchesne

To Los Angeles : turris, phaneuf, chlapic,1st round pick, barrie.

Senskill238

1.) 19 Oct 2017 22:09:10
how bout Galchenyuk + 1st for Karlson + a guy from another team coming from nearly nowhere

Keep it up!


2.) 19 Oct 2017 22:14:39
Wtf is this? Where did barrie and Duchene come from? Either way it's garbage.


3.) 19 Oct 2017 22:30:32
Clicked to fast not the full post.


4.) 19 Oct 2017 22:38:22
Oh god. And I don't even want to know what Colorado gets. These type of deals just don't happen. This is a complete dream world.


5.) 19 Oct 2017 23:22:17
i said before if you think your sens are that good keep them.


6.) 20 Oct 2017 01:05:03
Don't bother posting the rest. This is atrocious.


7.) 20 Oct 2017 17:27:53
Full trade is above clicked by accident on this one.


 

 

14 Oct 2017 23:34:03
Col : Duchene

Ottawa : (sign and trade) turris, lajoe



Tampa : hedman

Ottawa : pheneuf, white, 1st in 2018, 2nd in 2019


Turris trade is actually close to happening if sakic can talk to and sign turris.

With sergachev looking to be the next big name defenseman in Tampa and his entry contract expiring at the same time as pheneufs, who will be forced to take a pay cut at that time freeing space for sergachev, it works in there favour. On top of that Tampa gets a solid replacement for Drouin and a one two punch with stamkos in white, plus a couple high draft picks.

Ottawa in turn reunites the hedman karlsson combo to do some damage.

Hoffman Duchene Ryan
Smith Brown Stone
Brassard Pageau pyatt
Burrows Thompson dzingle

Karlsson hedman
Ceci Chabot
Wideman Borvievski

Scratches : Claeson oduya formenton

If not now maybe in a couple years when Tampa runs into cap issues which is blunt to happen with the likes of Johnson palat point killorn sergachev kucherov all needing big raises and having hedman stamkos Callahan vasilevski etc all under big contracts as it is. White will give them the flexibility to move Johnson or palat.

Senskill238

1.) 15 Oct 2017 01:05:51
Wow. You are delusional a f.


2.) 15 Oct 2017 03:22:47
colorado says get lost give us a hockey player.


3.) 15 Oct 2017 05:52:34
Tanks absolutely laughs at you. That's the worst thing I maybe have ever seen on here.


4.) 15 Oct 2017 08:38:20
Awful for tampa. Also Johnson Palat Killorn are all signed long term already and Callahan will likely be bought out in the last year of his deal.


5.) 15 Oct 2017 09:16:44
Thats pretty much the worst offer for Hedman, like ever. Every conversation for Hedman would start with Chabot, Hoffman and then you add from there. Hedman is a top 3 defenseman in this league signed to a good contract long-term and just about to enter his prime.


6.) 15 Oct 2017 16:23:54
The_Triplets I get that hedman is amazing but to start a trade for him with both Hoffman and Chabot? Lmfao not even bro.

Like I said after signing stamkos long term they are already pushing the cap limits and still have to sign the likes of sergachev, kucherov, point, etc. All of which will demand significant raises.

Getting Hoffman makes it worst as he will want a raise soon too. Chabot also when he resigns will be on a big contract.

Chabot, white and pheneufs as well as kucherov, sergachev, and point will all have expiring contracts in 2021.

Point will likely get close to 4 million, kucherov will be upwards of 7 million, and sergachev will likely want around 5 million. That being said Hoffman will also jump to about 6 million, and Chabot more likely than not will earn around 6 or 7 million, both of will will hurt their cap long term. With that being said hedman for phaneuf changes nothing contract wise now but in 2021 he will be taking a huge pay cut (at least half what he's making now) saving them cap space plus white should have his stride going by then which will give them the option to move Johnson or pallat as white can slip in their spot at around a 3 million price tag. On top of that they get a couple draft picks. Phaneuf may not be anyone's favourite but he is still a valuable piece to any team.


7.) 15 Oct 2017 23:45:13
Hahahahaha. Yes start with Hoffman and Chabot for Hedman. Man you make yourself look clueless as f.


8.) 16 Oct 2017 00:20:10
Im an ottawa fan and i agree with the triplets, you are undervaluing hedman in a big way. both trades favour ottawa so greatly its almost embarrassing.


9.) 16 Oct 2017 13:26:23
Man Phaneuf and Hedman aren't even comparable on the ice you don't move them for a quicker expiring contract. They have a Johnson replacement its Point. you're talking 2+ years away for these guys. i'm also not sure you you can say at this point Chabot will demand more than Serg on an extension. Lightning need forwards to fill out 3rd line in 2 years for cheap? Their names are Adam Erne Mitchell Stephens Anthony Cirelli Brett Howden and Alexander Volkov.


10.) 18 Oct 2017 19:48:26
Facelift39 you're not a sens fan dude lol I never said Phaneuf was equal value to hedman, I said pheneufs contract was more favourable due to when it expires which is why I added white and the to high end picks, I also said that kucherov sergachev and point will all big expecting big raises the same year Phaneuf contract expires and hell be expected to take a pay cut.

No way Tampa can afford to keep those 3 palat Johnson Killorn hedman vasilevski stamkos and Callahan. Moving hedman for Pheneuf white and picks frees up 4 million that year while keeping their defence competitive and with the white addition who by then will be top 6 ready they can afford to shop palat or Johnson and Callahan giving them space to give those 3 their raise and get white a bit cheaper than the ones they lose in trades. Not to mention a couple picks to play with.


11.) 18 Oct 2017 20:00:23
And facelift39 please explain how the Duchene offer favours ottawa in any way? That's the dumbest comment I've ever seen.

Turris been in ottawa for the same time Duchene been in the league and their careers virtually mirror one another with a 0.04 point per game difference between them. Turris played with stone or Hoffman for half that time and No one near as good the other half and played the 1st 2 - 3 years without karlsson as he wasn't drafted yet while Duchene was with solid players every year from hejduk, orielly, stastny, landeskog, MacKinnon, etc over the years.

Couple the history with getting lajoie as well who is a solid defense prospect and this is a hockey trade.

Not to mention this is close to happening with the holding point being sakic wants to have turris signed before pulling the trigger.

Oh and please don't call yourself a sens fan anymore or at least get a clue first.


 

 

 

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22 Oct 2017 18:34:34
As for Phaneuf, you might have an argument back in the Toronto days when he was misused and everyone expected him to be a god sent to their team but instead he played like crap but since coming to ottawa he has been a major asset whether you care to admitt it or not the guys value has definitely increased quite a bit.

The prospect in Phaneuf trade was actually a b+ potential in ottawa before the trade and has taken a few steps backward after the trade, and greening was a decent roster player at the time of the trade, while Cowan was young yet and considered to be a high risk high reward type player if he panned out but he didn't. Michalek was a cap dump but still had a wicked shot.

Michalek and greening both finished that year on Toronto's top 6 before their contracts ran out. So they hardly got nothing for him.

Senskill238

1.) 22 Oct 2017 20:12:37
You're a Homer just like Colt/ Rinkrat.


2.) 22 Oct 2017 22:22:09
Wasnt Greening and Cowan being relegated to like the AHL at the time of the trade? And Lindberg was an ok prospect but not close to a top guy. He hasn't really taken a step back.


3.) 24 Oct 2017 11:06:01
Okay let's look at the Phaneuf Trade from a NON-BIASED Perspective.

While I agree, as a leaf fan, i was shocked at the low return we got for Dion, it was warranted. Cause he wasn't playing great, and his cap hit is terrible. And everyone, and I mean everyone on this site can and will agree with me on that. He's not getting traded without some solid salary cap retention, cause no team wants that contract on the books. Dion is a 4 million guy getting paid 7 million, and its really beyond me why Ottawa took him on.

But anyway, onto the actual 9 player trade.

To the Leafs:
Colin Greening - literally was waived by Ottawa earlier in the year and was on a terrible contract. Negative value player. Period. He only played on the leafs cause we were absolute GARBAGE at the end, in our tank. We were icing Garret Sparks, Ben Smith and Brooks Laich regularly! Yeah he looked good, but who wouldn't look good getting 1st line minutes alongside William Nylander.

Milan Michalek - maybe an ounce of value, but you'd need to retain salary to get anything out of him. Looked okay in the tank year, but was waived and went unclaimed in 16/ 17. 'Wicked shot'? Sure looks like he has a wicked shot if he wasn't even PPG with the AHL Marlies.

Jared Cowen - trash on skates. literally. whenever the leafs played against the sens, god, this guy was so trash. He wasn't 'high risk high reward'. What are you on? Leafs literally ate his salary for one year and forced him to sit out that way they could get cap relief from him. That was the ONLY plus out of Cowen. Cap relief from the buyout.

Tobias Lindberg - was considered okay, but he never impressed me as per say, kinda like a Josh Leivo, maybe worse. that's not B+ level bud, especially when you aren't on the same level as a fringe NHLer such as Leivo. He just got traded btw, for a guy who was waived! AND TORONTO HAD TO ADD A 6TH. Shows how much value the guy got (zero, zero, zero. )

2nd - pretty self explanitory.

So yes. The leafs got a 2nd, Calvin Pickard and negative value for Phaneuf.

If you want to play biased, I can play biased too. I can say that Matt Frattin and Casey Bailey, two guys in the deal to Ottawa, played like Gods and had immense value. I sound a bit clueless by saying that eh? that's what ya sound like bud.


4.) 24 Oct 2017 11:08:43
Like yup said below, who are you talking to? I think most people know Phaneuf is a solid defenseman, his contract was just ridiculous and he was expected to do everything in Toronto.


 

 

22 Oct 2017 18:24:59
You bad mouth turris every time you make a claim like it takes a lot more than turris an lajoie to land Duchene when not only is turris career virtually identical to Duchene from draft placement to career stats to on ice performance and placement on the roster.

Especially when sakic himself already agreed to that trade on the condition that he could negototiate a new contract and sign turris first.

And you were one of the biggest Bobby Ryan critics last season saying he wasn't worth a bag of pucks and the he more than shut you up in the playoffs when he finally played healthy.

Senskill238

1.) 22 Oct 2017 20:13:40
Who the F are you even talking to?


2.) 22 Oct 2017 22:37:07
Duchene>Turris.

If Dorion could get Noah Hanifin for Turris, it would be done 150%. (Hanifin for Duch was close) so no. DUchene>>>Turris.

ANd Ryan sucks. Look at his contract. Do you even consider contract number? Or are you that clueless? Ryan may be good, but his contract at 7.5 makes him a cap dump, whether you like it or not.


 

 

22 Oct 2017 18:17:13
I never said brown was an asset to Colorado just that he evens out the cap while bringing leadership and experience from his years with the kings.

And you bad mouth turris everytime you say it takes.

Senskill238

 

 

21 Feb 2017 21:24:44
Just so everybody knows

Duchesne is a 2nd line center for 90% of his Carreer

Landeskog has seen his production value decrease every year and is in his worst year yet

Anyone who thinks either will get full asking price without having giving the other at a bargain has rocks in their head. It ain't happening and I'd bet on that fact in a heart beat. Either price comes down significantly or they don't move period. Any gamers up for a bet.

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1.) 21 Feb 2017 22:40:10
Just so you know

Duchene made team Canada. Accident?
Sakic has repeatedly stated what he wants and may move a little but will not settle for a lot less.
Landeskog is still young and has proven he has potential to play first line and Sakic and other GMs know that.
Many teams are showing interest and Colorado isn't in a hurry so they have the upper hand.
They won't move significantly.


2.) 21 Feb 2017 22:42:08
Thanks tips.


 

 

15 Feb 2017 23:01:07
Will never happen but let's here the thoughts on this 3 way idea.

To ottawa:
McDavid, nurse, fayne
2nd rounder

To edmonton:
Shattenkirk
Turris, ceci, Hoffman, 1st rounder, white

To St. Louis:
Lazar
Nugent Hopkins

Ceci > nurse at this point in time

Fayne to even out salaries

McDavid fetches prove top center Turris, proven goal scorer Hoffman (together they come with chemistry), top end prospect white, and a 1st round pick

Rnh = shattenkirk = instant upgrade to edm blue line

Lazar = 1st/ 2nd (gives him fresh start with a coach who might actually use him)

St. Louis = better shape for Vegas draft

Edmonton = addition by subtraction losing mcdavid Rnh and nurse they upgrade their blue line and prospect pool drastically and get a proven goal scorer and a center he has already got chemistry with.

Ottawa = save some cap space and give up a few big pieces but add the best player in the game today and a big young stay home dman who can keep Phaneuf out of trouble.
Cue the Mcarlsson show. Karlsson and mcdavid together would be pure magic

All teams come out with a smile in my view.

Senskill238

1.) 16 Feb 2017 00:55:11
St Louis gets absolutely hosed.


2.) 16 Feb 2017 00:55:51
Umm. anyone who trades McDavid, probably isn't smiling.
The first line on your post was the only one believable.


3.) 16 feb 2017 01:05:40
are you joking? bahaha that has to be the funniest post i have seen. like on this site. ever. and we have had really bad trades before.

you really think edmonton trades away rnh nurse and mcdavid for that hahaha


thanks for the laugh. i needed it today lol.

by the way i'm not even an oiler fan. let's see what the oiler fans have to say.

and if you really want mcd, you are starting with ek and adding. no ifs, ands or buts.


 

 

 

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14 Nov 2017 19:01:48
Dzingle and rantenen are roughly the same age and relatively close in skill level. dzingle is capable of playing anywhere in top 9 including 1st or 2nd line minutes. he proved that last year. so Phaneuf shpuld be more than enough to make up for the slight difference between the two and a 2nd round pick next year.

Fyi Phaneuf is hardly old enough to be considered aging. if anything he's in his prime years.

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11 Nov 2017 00:37:31
Ottawa got shafted huge with no lube.

Essentially they paid a guy who's just as good as Duchene in turris, plus the 1st, the 3rd, bowers (who was a 1st himself), and Hammond (only good loss) . just to get Duchene. that's insane. Dorian needs to be fired with the dumb trades he keeps making.

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05 Nov 2017 04:12:22
Better in today's game? Lmfao turris is a mirror image to Duchene in every way the difference in skill is like 0.05% in Duchene favour. their career totals are identical. only difference is that duchene was chosen to play for team Canada before and turris wasn't because at the time turris was under the gun of trade talks and mis management in Phoenix hurting his case to get on Canada's team.

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30 Oct 2017 03:03:10
Phaneuf might be an over played veteran but the fact he's still a top 4 defenceman on any team keeps his value up. 2 years ago you might have an argument unbiased jim while he still had 5 years left but with 3 years left it's perfect for teams like Philly or new jersey like teams that need to resign big name rookies and would be able to do so because of Pheneuf pay cut.

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23 Oct 2017 17:24:01
Oh and besides that, how often, in real life not video games, do you see a trade involving a superstar or 2 going one way and the same number of superstars with equal value going back?

The answer is maybe like 15% of the time. The other 85% of the time it's the best offer to come along because

1 - a player demands a trade because they don't want to play there anymore (like in Duchene case)

2 - a player wants to be traded because they want to win and feel their team is not capable of doing so and would rather be somewhere that can (as stated by doughty earlier this year)

3 - team is looking to rebuild using draft picks and rookies

4 - to make room for a huge free agent signing

5 - to move up in a draft

6 - to dump salary

Etc etc etc

Point is majority of the trades that actually happen are usually trades that involve a super star on one side but not necessarily on the other which is why you have no choice at times but look look at the values of top picks and prospects to or impact a player has on a team or role they play.

For instance they way you make deals I could see you accepting a deal if I offered you Matt Duchene for the guarenteed 1st overall pick in the current years draft but any smart gm would laugh in my face at that offer and tell me to add more if i wanted to be considered as that pick is more valuable down the road.

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