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17 Feb 2019 17:29:59
Ok so Winnipeg and Calgary are supposedly in a bidding war over Duchene and or stone so.

Cal : m. tkechuck, Bennet, Cal 1st in 2020

Ott : Duchene, dzingle, Ceci

Ceci and Bennett cancel each others value, Ottawa gets the other tkechuck plus loads up for next year's draft after throwing this year's away while Calgary get the best player and fastest player in the deal.

NoBiasRambo2

1.) 17 Feb 2019 17:38:48
There is zero percent chance Calgary does this one sided Ottawa biased trade.


2.) 17 Feb 2019 19:19:42
That dosent get Tkachuk alone.


3.) 17 Feb 2019 19:30:54
Calgary wouldn’t even do this if Duchene and Dzingel had term left on their contracts. I’d rather Tkachuck and Bennett on my team.


4.) 17 Feb 2019 19:40:13
I would rather not have Bennett if I have the chance to get Duchene lol.


5.) 17 Feb 2019 19:49:31
Tkachuck is actually the best player in the trade. Duchene puts up points and that's about it. Tkachuk does so much more and has nearly as many points too, plus way younger and cheaper this season.


6.) 17 Feb 2019 20:51:59
Did you miss the part about Tkachuck McJ? You don’t give him up for a few months of Duchene.


7.) 17 Feb 2019 21:00:58
If Tkachuk was in Edmonton I wouldn’t trade him possibly ever. He does it all. And only getting better and better.


8.) 18 Feb 2019 06:04:58
Duchene is better than tkechuck both offencively and defensively sorry to burst your biased bubbles, tkechuck fights better that's it, these comments are pathetic and only further prove everything I've always said.

Let me put it this way folks, both stone and Duchene are stars who are both top 6 player on every and any team in the league and even top 3 on most. Peanuts and hot garbage don't get you their jock straps, you want a player like either of them even as a rental, you are going to be paying to get them whether you like it or not!

So get out of your fantasy world's where freebies are handed out on silver platters and come back to reality before you lose more than just your minds!


9.) 18 Feb 2019 14:21:09
You’ve been wrong about everything you’ve ever posted. You come here to argue and your team is a mess. Good luck getting Tkachuck.


10.) 18 Feb 2019 09:15:39
The only thing I agree with what you said Ramboo is Ceci= Bennett and even that is debatable.


11.) 18 Feb 2019 09:16:03
@Shootsmcgee ok then Tkachuk is more valuable then Kucherov because all kucherov does is put up points? Duchene plays on the worst team in the league and Tkachuk on one of the best. Tkachuk would not have this many points in ottawa and Duchene would have way more in Calgary.


12.) 20 Feb 2019 02:39:09
If you’re going to call yourself ‘nobias. ’ it’s be beneficidl for you to watch more Flsmes games. You’re terribly wrong. Tkachuk is younger and will be RFA as opposed to UFATHAT Dusch will be. Cecil sucks and Dzingel maybe just a flash in the pan. Tkachuk is a future captain and I’ve never heard him say stupid things in an UBER vehicle about his organization.
You should get comfortable with the reality that your not getting any solid NHL player for any of your UFAs to be. Maybe 4th liners and B prospects and possibly a 1st.


13.) 20 Feb 2019 17:48:56
I haven't been wrong about anything Leafs goof. Sens just have a bone head gm. I said Hoffman should have fetched us at least a 1st and that is more than true no matter what his gf said, want proof it's called Derrick Brassard deal.

Hoffman is a much better talent on a cap friendly contract than Brassard who got a mid to late 1st (at time of trade), a top prospect goalie, and a top 4 Dman who was flipped for a 2nd, let alone Ek who's value far exceeds Hoffman's as well.

Just because Dorion is incompetent don't make me wrong. He had plenty of time to wait for the right trade for both guys but instead pulled an early trigger that costed the team what they could have got.

Personal issues should never be that much of a factor towards trade value at any time unless your gm is useless like Dorion.


14.) 21 Feb 2019 03:55:52
Sc4cgy bennet sucks too what's your point? They cancel each other. And not a chance they pass over captain from Gaudreau to tkechuck, get real dude.

I'd give you and arguement on the Duchene vs tkechuck thing too but mtl4life actually made my argument for me to which I don't really need to add more other than RFA or Ufa? It don't matter as both are getting pay days, the only advantage a RFA has to a team is they maintain his services an extra year to try get a trade if they don't sign but lose him in the end anyway assuming no offer sheets are made.

And dzingle is hardly a flash in the pan when he has been a top 4 or 5 forward on Ottawa for last 4 seasons putting up decent numbers in all of them

Oh and sc4cgy, 4th liners b prospect and 4th line? Get real dude! Brassard was basically a rental I'll be it 1 extra year in last year's deal and he got a mid to late 1st, a top 4 Dman (flipped for a 2nd), and a projected future starting tendy, Duchene will or should easily get more that that!
Can't say he will for sure because Dorion is known to take less than dismal returns for big name player which is rediculous but Duchene absolutely is worth a lot more than Brassard and stone more than that even.


15.) 22 Feb 2019 10:51:11
Calgary most definitely will pass on gudreau on captain for Mathew Tkachuk, hence why TK wears an A and Johnny nothing, Johnny is a great player but he's not a leader.


 

 

15 Feb 2019 16:05:46
Here's a thought considering the way Dallas management is acting with their stars plus the stars poor performances this year especially benn and Seguin.

Ott : stone, Duchene, dzingle, Ceci, Paul

Dal : Seguin, benn, Klingberg

Dallas with all the ex sens basically becomes sens west lol.

NoBiasRambo2

1.) 15 Feb 2019 18:07:07
Bahahahahha.


2.) 15 Feb 2019 20:39:55
So DAL downgrades at every position for. Paul?
lol.


3.) 15 Feb 2019 21:10:26
Omg. This has to be one of the worst proposals I’ve seen on this site yet.


4.) 15 Feb 2019 21:39:46
The package coming from Ottawa of UFA's, top 9 player, bottom 6 D and c+ prospect dosnt even get you 2 of those players together. Seguin and been is too much for that package and so is Klingberg and Been.


5.) 15 Feb 2019 21:44:44
Topshelfslappers what is so funny? Do you want me to add that the Ottawa guys agree to resign? Because that's the only thing that's lopsided about this deal in Ottawa favour?

Duchene and stone are expected to make close to the same as Seguin and benn make now salary wise. And both Ottawa guys are and have been all along better defensively that the 2 Dallas guys and currently better offencively this season as well, don't believe me look it up! Besides that it's been what? 3 - 4 years now that benn and seguin have not bee themselves? How many years does it take for their value to drop when it took Duchene one year according to you all to drop value significantly even though his play got much better?

As for Klingberg he's a great offencive Dman but needs work defencively, clearly an upgrade on Ceci and cap friendly I get that but that's nothing that dzingle and Paul value can't make up for especially seeing as how Klingberg would take on an EK/ SJS like 2nd pairing role in Ottawa as he ain't bumping chabot the way he's been going and demelo being the compliment to that, I rather see him on the 2 pair with Lajoie.

As for Dallas the get a brand new top line that already has a chemistry about them as well as a Dman with past experience playing with Methot in EKs absence and a kid they drafted and were once very high on who could more easily slip in to a role with main team their than in Ottawa as they have an older team with not as many young guys to have to out play to get a spot. Paul could easily slip in bottom 6, Ceci in top 4 and the other 3 most likely top line but could work anywhere in top 6, and with spezza coming off the books this offseason it's more than affordable for Dallas. Maybe Dallas even flips dzingle, and Ceci, and a 1st in 2020 to Edmonton for nuge who's on the block as well, leaving them with plenty top 6 line combo possibilities, and enough cap to go after panarin as well in offseason.

Panarin Duchene radulov
Nushishkin nuge stone

Or vice versa either would be great and they still have hanzel, Dickinson, Daska, coumeau, and Cogliano for bottom 6 of top of my head, plus gives all their you dmen a spot to fight for like lindell, heiskenen, Honka, with Klingberg gone, while Ottawa gets a solid cap friendly 2 pair dman and 2 long term vets to build the young guys around.

Benn Seguin Ryan
Tkechuck white brown
Formenton pageau Batherson
Paajarvi teirney boadker
Smith

And chlapic, balcers, Norris, give em some flexibility to use a forward or few to upgrade the Blueline a bit more and hopefully Move smith, heck teirney value should also be a lot higher now after the season he's had as well.


6.) 16 Feb 2019 00:12:02
Extensions would have to be in place first for Dallas to consider. You never said anything about that. Instead you left it to the reader make that assumption. Pretty tall order expecting all those guys to be signed and traded by deadline. Ceci is terrible. Shouldn’t even be in nhl. Dallas would never take him on. Klingberg is a righty. If anything he would be playing with Chabot, not 2nd line.


7.) 16 Feb 2019 02:35:12
😭😭😭Omg this ain’t a troll is it. ‘Klingberg is surely an upgrade on Ceci’. Nah, you don’t say LMFAO😭😭🤣

The fact you even think that this stuff is close to equal value is hilarious, don’t come at anyone saying anything about how the Ottawa side of this deal is even close to fair. Its legitamately Dallas’ three best players for Ottawa’s second and third best players and a bunch of others that equate to zero in the grand scheme of the trade bud.

Three or four years benn and seguin haven’t been themselves? Huh? Benn won an art ross two years ago bud😭😭🤣 what are you on about man. Seguin and Benn are now app worse than Stone and Duchene unsigned oh give me a break, you can’t be serious when saying this stuff🤣🤣🤣🤣. Ask any man on the street in any part of Canada or the US i'd they know hockey and they'll take Benn and Seguin 10/ 10. You want to know why? Cause Ottawa has no leverage w either UFA, their career stats (Benn/ Seguins) are superior, their contracts are locked in and their advanced stats are just as good. And the Klingberg thing is just a whole mess lmao Klingberg EASILY himself pulls in. That package minus one of Stone or Duchene, loool.

Stop thinking every teams going to get hosed like ottawa did w. karlsson. Dorion made himself a fool and paid the price. No one else is doing that. No ones trading the three faces of a franchise for two UFAs and extras.

This is the equivalenr of me saying hey Kadri, Nylander, Brown, zaitsev and gabriel gagne pull in benn, seguin and klingberg🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 get a grip bud.


8.) 16 Feb 2019 08:45:19
I honestly don't know if Rambo is for real or if he's just pretending to be this super biased Ottawa fan. John Klingberg is not and upgrade to Ceci he's not even on the same planet. he's a top 2 defensemen while Ceci is a bottom pair at best and sometimes not even worthy of being a bottom pair defensemen. A Nathan Beaulieu type guy but Beaulieu is better. Benn and seguin are worth so much more then 2 UFA even if they're signed because those guys are not worth 8 million. Stone and Duchene are good players but at 6.5-7 million each tops. Dzingel has the value of a late first tops while Paul barely has any value. Add Chabot and White and take Dzingel and Paul out and it's closer.


9.) 16 Feb 2019 19:49:49
Ok first off Seguin and benn up till as you say, 2 to 3 years ago were better offencively than stone and Duchene I'm not arguing that, but defensive game was and is most definitely on the side of Duchene and stone no question. As of last year the offencive edge had greatly diminished and this year that offensive edge has most definitely been taken over by stone and Duchene, anyone not ignorant to the sport can clearly see that!

And the fact that they can both be signed even cheaper than the Dallas guys also works in their favour as does the current situation in Dallas putting Seguin and benn against Dallas management with the remarks made about them recently by management. If the Hoffman EK stuff this past year affected their value the way it did why would this be any different?

As for Klingberg, yes he's worth more than Ceci but Ceci whether you or I agree or not still carries value in any trade talks in the league, and that's a cold hard fact, add a top 6 forward in dzingle, who posts 40+ points a season, and has a ton of speed like he does, and a prospect originally drafted by Dallas in the first place and has a good chance at making their lineup now. That definitely makes up the difference between Klingberg and Ceci, that much is very clear!


10.) 16 Feb 2019 21:26:39
As for the person saying Klingberg would be paired with Chabot in Ottawa if this happened, do you follow how the game is played?

Klingberg is an offencive Dman who somewhat struggles defensively, while Chabot is mainly offencive Dman too I'll be it a little better defensively. You don't put 2 of those types together unless on the powerplay. Demelo compliments Chabot just fine, leaving Klingberg on 2nd pair in Ottawa likely with Lajoie!

And boomboom, go smoke some more wacky tobacky bud, your comment is a joke. Stone and Duchene are Ottawa's best 2 forwards and arguably best 2 players currently and top 40 players in the league respectively while Seguin currently barely gets in that status at number 40 while benn is in the worst year of his career since his breakout season and don't even make top 50 right now.

As for Ceci he's bad yes, but still a top 4 Dman and still better than most dmen in the league today. The only ones better are the big names, and elite prospects, of which Dallas does not have 4 or 5 of those even with Klingberg, 2 maybe 3 tops including Klingberg.


11.) 16 Feb 2019 22:20:01
Wow with all these super valuable elite players you would think the Sens wouldn’t be in

*Checks Standings*

Dead last 😂

Ceci is hot garbage, just like this proposal.


12.) 17 Feb 2019 03:17:10
Unsportsmanlike so is 85 percent of the dmen in the league don't kid yourself.

Also, stats don't lie, look it up.

And while Ottawa does have solid players, stone Duchene Chabot Lajoie pageau dzingle teirney demelo tkechuck white and even paajarvi looking good with sens

they also have the handicap of not so great players with bad contracts holding them back like smith Ceci jaros

They also have those like borwieski Ryan boadker who might not hurt the team but don't really help it much either

Add that to the kids they continue to leave in the minors and juniors rather than have them in the main lineup where they should be and can help like balcers Batherson chlapic brown and formenton

And if you don't see my point on the evaluations of stone and Duchene vs that of Seguin an benn plus the situations then you clearly don't understand the game!

In the past if you want offense you go for Dallas guys and if you want defensive forwards you take the Ottawa guys, as of now however, in either category you take the Ottawa guys, especially fully signed.


13.) 17 Feb 2019 10:46:43
Please provide “stats” that show Ceci is better than 85% of the D-Men in the NHL. Go ahead, I’ll wait here.


14.) 17 Feb 2019 17:16:26
He's a top 4 Dman who puts up points and is only out played offensively or defensively by the big names like EK, doughty, Pietrangelo, Jones etc, or has less potential/ outplayed by the elite young defence like dahlin, Chabot, heiskenen, Rielly, etc. Stats are on NHL. com for any further proof.

Now it's your turn unsportsmanlike, please provide any kind of stats you can possibly find stating he's worst than anyon outside those perameters.

How'd you put it? I'm waiting.


15.) 17 Feb 2019 18:17:23
Hey look at all those awesome stats you did not post.

I asked you for stats that show he is better than 85% of the defensemen. Your flawed opinion that he is a top 4 d-man who puts up point is not a stat.

Here's an ACTUAL stat: Cody Ceci has a pts/ 60 of 0.016. That's not even in the top 100 for defensemen in the NHL. Just because Ottawa is a DUMPSTER FIRE with zero defensive depth which forces Ceci to log huge minutes does not mean he is effective in doing so. He is also a huge reason why Ottawa has THE WORST goals against in the league (of the 296 defensemen listed, his minus 19 is the 289th) . Sounds like he's getting outplayed defensively by a few more players than the "big names" there genius.

School's out kiddo.


16.) 21 Feb 2019 15:50:14
First off I said nhl. com for stats proof you're just too lazy to look and I'm not transferring every detail on there for comparison, I'll be here all year if I did that.

2ndly, whatever that first bit you posted about pts/ 60 of 0.016 that's not even a real stat, what exactly is that supposed to be, ppg? If so, what's the 60 of 0.016? You make no sense.

And 3rdly and most importantly, plus minus, can't even be used as a top contributor in this pretext, as Ceci played and still plays on one of the weaker if not the weakest defensive teams in the league. Let's look at that mighty defence depth Ottawa has.

Chabot
Demelo
Ceci
Lajoie
Jaros
Wolanin
borwieski

In the past you can add

EK
Methot
Wideman
Clauson

But the fact is Chabot demelo and Lajoie were never around at the time of EK and Methot so really that depth chart never really changed.

You talk trash about how bad Ottawa's players are but truth be told their forwards are some of the best in the League and usually include at least 3 in top 100 and 2 in top 50, up front they have tons of depth more than most teams, heck they just got rid of 3 big guns and a depth guy last year and still have enough to role 4 solid lines and have a handful of young guys left in system waiting their shot. The defense is the problem in Ottawa outside a couple guys, always has been. Proof? Watch the Chicago game, scoring not an issue. Getting scored on is!

You wanted to be educated. You're welcome!


17.) 21 Feb 2019 20:24:18
Hahaha did you just claim points/ 60 isn't even a real stat? It's points per 60 minutes genius. Shining more light on all the things you don't know about hockey. No wonder you are out to lunch all the time.

And you're right about Ceci playing for one of the weakest defensive teams. You know what contributes to weak defense? Weak defenseman. Like Cody Ceci.

Are you seriously unable to connect the dots here? I honestly think you are trolling because natural selection should have removed somebody this thick from the gene pool by now.


 

 

03 Feb 2019 16:03:50
Ok well Colorado has been linked to stone, Chicago to Duchene, and Edmonton has shown past interest in Ceci and could use dzingles speed with McDavid so.

Ott : stone, Paul, and San Jose's 2nd

Col : Ottawa's 1st this year

Also.

Ott : Duchene

Chi : Chicago's 1st this year, and Chicago 2nd this year, and Chicago 3rd this year

Also.

Ott : dzingle, Ceci, smith, brown

Edm : Edmontons 1st in 2020, Bouchard, and lucic

Condition to all 3 being Duchene, stone and dzingle all agree to avoid free agency and sign with new teams on the spot.

Then when lottery results determined (they pray to God they land Hughes) and

Ott : the later of their 2 picks Chicago or their own

Van : Quinn Hughes

But leave Bouchard and the Hughes boys in the juniors one more year and tank for Lafreniere, with 3 picks in 2020 better odds.

Best case scenario defence is then fixed with additions of Hughes and Bouchard to help Lajoie, chabot, and demelo. While offence looks like it can compete again with the farm coming up and joining with Lafreniere and Hughes. I know Dorian too stupid to pull this off but one can dream right? Lol

Stone added to the already dangerous Colorado top unit would be insane

Dzingle giving McDavid someone who can actually keep up with his speed would do wanders

And Duchene Toews 1 2 punch with Kane on the wing and a very possible return of panarin in offseason would likely put Chicago back where they belong in the top of the league discussion

In my oppinion that's a win for all teams involved

Ottawa down the road and long term and the other 3 in the hear and now with Edmonton long term with brown, short term with dzingle, and by the grace of God by losing Lucic contract.

NoBiasRambo2

1.) 03 Feb 2019 16:35:26
How do you add stone to Colorado’s top line? They already have 3 players on it. That’s why it’s a line. And it’s the best one out there. Colorado will not give them back their pick. Why would they?
And we won’t give you Bouchard or our 1st for that.
And why is panarin a very possible return to Chitown? All I’ve heard is he was really hurt the hawks traded him to begin with and is set on a New York team or Florida.
Vancouver just used a top 5 pick on Hughes and they’re trending upwards. Why would they gift him to the senators for the later of 2 picks?
Are all your posts like this? Or are you having an off day?


2.) 03 Feb 2019 16:48:02
OrangeBlood, his posts are always like thisz.


3.) 03 Feb 2019 16:48:58
Its going to cost you minimum Stone + Duchene to reacquire that 1st. Ain’t happening for just Stone.


4.) 03 Feb 2019 16:55:15
Hawks have no need for Duchene, if they go aftera bif fish it will be Panarin.


5.) 03 Feb 2019 18:16:21
Hahahaha wow this post is atrocious.


6.) 03 Feb 2019 18:38:00
Rambo, I knew you were delusional before, especially with all the times you’ve argued on here saying how you knew for certain this or that was going to happen, and they we’d all just have to wait and see, only for it not to happen like we all told you it wouldn’t.

But, you’ve seriously hit a new low if you think any of those trades work, ESPECIALLY the Vancouver one. The Canucks got so lucky when Hughes fell to seventh due to Montreal and Arizona taking centers, any other time and he’s a top 5 pick, and you want the Canucks to give him up for only ONE asset, and that asset being a first that’s likely not even in the top 10? Get out of here with that stupid rubbish, you’re serioirlsy delusional, get some help.


7.) 03 Feb 2019 20:18:18
All great trades. if your Ottawa. No way Chicago's able to afford panarin, and that's before you said get duchenne. didn't realize the cap was going up 15 million $ next year. And Chicago's 1sy 2nd and 3rd picks, that might be a top 3 overall pick depending on how the season finishes, just total non sense, other trades are completely ridiculous also.


8.) 03 Feb 2019 21:28:55
I just puked after reading this.


9.) 04 Feb 2019 11:07:09
Stone plus Duchene for our own first? Hahahahaha good one, stone is a 5 tool player and one of the best at that, fully signed his value alone is fairly close to a first overall at this point that still has a little under half a season to change its rank get real.

And the Chicago one has been mentioned throughout the year and by adding Duchene as well as making a pitch at panarin in offseason who wants to go back there anyway it makes that team stronger for it.

And orange blood, try reading the trade before making a dumb comment. Bouchard, at least for the next year, is Edmontons most valuable piece in this deal as the pick involved is next year's, not this year's meaning it likely won't be as good since chirelli no longer in charge. So.

Brown = Bouchard (Bouchard might be a tad more value)

Dzingle + Ceci = next years 1st

Smith contract vs Lucic contract (Edmonton should be on their hands and knees begging for someone to take Lucic)


10.) 04 Feb 2019 12:53:40
So your saying that top4 guarranteed is equivalent to Mark Stone? A top four player in the draft is at worse Brady Tkachuk level, and tbh, I’s rather have him than Stone due to age/ contract. With the chance of getting Hughes with that pick, its minimum Duch+Stone and I’m not kidding you.


Also Chicago won’t do that. They have enough cap hell witj seabrook and keith, they need youth not expensive prime players.


11.) 04 Feb 2019 15:59:30
Slappers what ever drugs you're taking I def want some, of course I like Brady bit I'll take stone over him any given day, unless you got a guaranteed Jack Hughes stone fully sign definitely has the value greater than anyone else in top 5 adding fully signed Duchene on top Colorado would have to add a conditional pick with the only condition being that the next time Colorado has a top 5 pick it goes to Ottawa too. you don't give up what sens did for Duchene and take back peanuts. Fully signed both guy are more than worth a top 5 pick by the trade deadline, you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise. Acquiring those picks don't guarantee they will stay top 5 either, especially Chicago one, adding Duchene to Chicago would be a huge addition that can easily fix their standing, Duchene Kane together would destroy other teams defence.

And someone asked how stone fits in Colorado? Easy 2nd line for now, or first power play unit with Barrie Landy rants and Mack, also be sick pk guy as he is one of the best defensive forwards in the game, he would make available that much more dangerous, plus when current top 3 run dry on their chemistry you can split em up, rants and Mack on one line stoner and Landy on another for a 1 2 punch.


12.) 04 Feb 2019 19:54:49
Same old Rambo 😂

“And with the 1st pick of the 2019 NHL Draft, the Colorado Avalanche select. ”.


13.) 05 Feb 2019 04:51:35
Unsportsmanlike, this is exactly what I have been talking about all along about how you and your groupies here disrespect sens players and undervalue them.

According to the garbage you all have been posting since last year I have the evidence now. Duchene with a year and a half on his contract got what he got for Colorado that being a player in Turris who is nearly equal skill level (I say Turris because everything acquired for Turris went to Colorado) as well as a solid prospect in Bowers a 3rd and a backup goalie in Hammond, and a 1st from a projected weak end team, yet some how you all thought that was fair with exception of me.

Now I propose 2 trades basically 1 for one each while also stating that both men will be fully signed in these deals, Chicago first for Duchene which is still less value that what was initially traded for him on a contract that was ending as opposed to a full contract meaning a Duchene that should arguably be worth more than he was then as despite a bad team season his individual numbers have been better than ever yet somehow according to y'all he ain't even worth 1 top 5 pick? Get real dude.

Then you got stone who in many people's oppinion is actually better than Duchene also younger on top of that and considered a 5 tool player by some of the harshest critics and fully signed should be worth even more than Duchene seeing as how he is literally just starting his prime of his career, yet somehow he's not worth a single pick that doesn't give you more than a 15% chance at the one guy in the draft who is arguably worth more based on age alone in Jack Hughes? Really?

Hughes is great yes but the kid is strictly offence (so was Yakupov, how did that work out) he's got speed, great skating, great shot, great passing, but without the puck he needs work stone is one of the best with and without the puck, with his skating holding him back a tad bit not enough to hurt him, no doubt fully signed he's worth that pick at least.

It's painfully obvious how biased you all are against Ottawa as you can't even back up why you have their value ratings so low unless they are on other teams, on top of that neither carries the baggage EK and Hoffman did at time of their deals!


14.) 05 Feb 2019 11:20:29
Yeah Rambo get the tin foil hat on! It’s all a big anti-Sens conspiracy on this site — that’s why Sens players never get traded for anything close to what you propose in reality (I’ll “back that up” with specific historical examples in Karlsson and Hoffman ) — it has nothing to do with your room temperature IQ!


15.) 05 Feb 2019 13:18:02
Please unsportsmanlike bias, explain to me how 1.5 years of Duchene was worth what he got or even the proposals you all listed like for example white Chabot and a weak teams 1st and then some yet a proposal involving a fully signed (5+ years) Duchene for a top 5 pick (now, as adding Duchene will likely get them back on winning track) is not a fair deal for Chicago?

Or a fully signed stone (5+ years) who logs 60+ points anually with sub par line mates while being one of the best defensive forwards in the game today at age 26, and is proving this year that with a quality line mate I'll be it Duchene or tkechuck both of which he's played with so far he's a point a game plus guy, is somehow not worth a top 5 pick that could change at any time but even still only gives a 15% chance at jack Hughes?

Pretty sure a guaranteed 5 tool player as stated by critics and a guaranteed former number 3 overall who lives up to the hype that comes with that high a pick both signed long term carry more value than at the very minimum everyone else in top 5 picks this year and even in stones case a 15% chance at Hughes.


16.) 05 Feb 2019 13:27:08
Also I literally just mentioned EK and Hoffman and that Duchene and stone don't carry the same sort of baggage this full value and fully signed not tough to see.


17.) 05 Feb 2019 14:21:27
I have not posted any trade Ottawa proposals. Ever. So spare me from your nonsensical ramblings.

Let me know when Ottawa trades Karlsson for Sergachev, Point, and 2 firsts.

Just more of your delusional, biased posts.

We have a track record on this site of you getting called out for being completely out to lunch with your valuations, only to be proven comically wrong when the trades occurs and the return is no where near what you suggested. And here you are, back at it again. You are either hopelessly deluded from reality, or the site's greatest troll. In either case, debating with you would be a waste of time. So now I sit back and enjoy the laughs when you post.


18.) 06 Feb 2019 18:27:28
I don't post biased garbage like you do.

Stone is a perennial 60+ point guy playing with average at best line mates up till this year and still has been and continues to be one of the best defensive forwards in the league on top of that. Now playing with someone close to the same skill level and consistency he's over a point a game. He's also only 26 years old just starting his prime years. Fully signed 5+ years he's easily worth more than any possible draft pick outside jack hughes. And seeing as a trade must be reached by deadline that means the sens pick is only currently a 15% chance to land Hughes and those odds still have 20+ games to change completely.

Do the math unsportsmanlike, a guaranteed fully signed close to or right on point a game top 6 forward at 26 years old vs a CHANCE at a 15% CHANCE at jack hughes! Not too hard to see that stone himself carries more value let alone the addition of a 2nd and a decent prospect in Paul on top of that.

Then there is Duchene deal which is a bigger risk for Ottawa as he's almost as good as stone, and only 2 years older at age 28. Sure the Chicago pick is currently 5th overall but swapping it for Duchene all but guarantees that Chicago not only improves their standing and makes the pick worst but makes Chicago better long term. Duchene like stone, is better than any possible pick outside Hughes and most definitely far more valuable than any pick ranging 6 - 15, which is most likely where that pick would end up being after a deal like this.

Fact is I can back up what I view their values to be, and I don't believe you can even give a compelling reason why their values should be any less other than you don't like Ottawa and undervalue their talent. I've been waiting a few years now to hear any kind of logical explanation as to the value of these players according to everyone else and why but yet all I get is a bunch of trolls who can't give anything but a "your crazy" or a "you'll never get that"

Wake up and give any real reasoning or stop trolling, plain and simple!


19.) 07 Feb 2019 14:49:10
Your flawed and delusional opinions do not back up anything.

History has backed up what we have said on this site and proven you wrong every time (Karlsson not getting traded for anything close to what you assured us he would -- Sergachev, Point and 2 1sts; Hoffman getting traded for a can of beans like we told you he would given the circumstances despite you stomping your feet and pounding the table telling us we were all wrong) .

I'll take empirical evidence over your "reasoning" every day of the week, thanks. Those "trolls" telling you "you're crazy" and "you'll never get that" have been right every time. You have been proven wrong every time. The end.

By the way, Hughes isn't the only player that will be getting drafted this year. Ottawa is hot garbage and their first round pick may not be 1st overall, but it's going to be right up there. Better get used to the notion of another team using your first rounder kiddo.


20.) 09 Feb 2019 18:16:38
Are you blind to facts too unsportsmanlike? History in this one is most definitely on my side.

I said Duchene and stone both fully signed are worth the returns and then some I have listed here, do your research.

Duchene with 1.5 years left got Colorado everything from the Kyle Turris trade, plus hamond, a 3rd, a 1st, and Bowers (a 1st in his own right) .

Sorry to be the one to burst your bubble but a fully signed Duchene 1 year later who has clearly upped his own personal game since the trade is definitely worth more than a year and a half Duchene who wanted out anyway, that much is common sense, and the return I posted here doesn't even match the return Colorado got even if the 1st they got was last of first round instead of first at this point.

Take into account that stone is a better and more valuable piece than Duchene his trade value fully signed also exceeds that of a fully signed Duchene especially considering the guy is only 26 years old.

And still instead of backing your claims with actual evidence all you can do is attempt to down play my claims, open you eyes and ears instead of your mouth for once and actually do some research.


21.) 09 Feb 2019 18:33:09
And just for good measure.

As reported by Dave pagnotta, the asking price for stone and Duchene has been revealed.

A 1st round pick, a top tier prospect, and another top tier asset

Actual asking price e for each of them, and that's as is unsigned and rightfully so! Fully sign they are worth a lot more each and this type of package as is can be deemed equal to a top 5 pick as is so really the trades I posted are also undervaluing their worth if you want to look at it that way.


22.) 09 Feb 2019 19:34:35
Cool story — let me know when Duchene gets traded to Chicago for a lottery pick and when Stone gets traded to Colorado for Ottawa’s first. I’ll wait.

If that happens (newsflash — it won’t) I’ll gladly eat crow.

When it doesn’t, I’ll still be here laughing at you. Keep postiing kiddo, the world needs more laughter.


23.) 12 Feb 2019 23:47:29
They are exactly fully signed yet you goof, the trades I posted clearly state both men as fully signed, maybe if you closed your mouth, opened your eyes, and learned to read you'd see that, not saying the Chicago one isn't a possiblity fully signed or not but don't go putting words in my mouth to cover your own backside.


 

 

11 Dec 2018 00:14:58
Ok let's test this.

Columbus : Jones

Ottawa : dzingle, brown, paul, Ceci, Ottawa's 2020 1st (conditional)

Ottawa gets Chabot a legit partner

Columbus gets a top 6 - 9 NHL forward, A top 4 defence, a high end prospect, a mid range prospect, and a 1st rounder if Ottawa makes it to round 2 of playoffs in 2020 otherwise a 2nd.

NoBiasRambo2

1.) 11 Dec 2018 01:00:23
no from ottawa.


2.) 11 Dec 2018 01:50:20
so pauls useless, and ceci would be columbus’ 5th dman (werenski, murray, savard, nuutivara)

brown is a nice piece, but his ceiling is a 2C, more likely a solid, big checking 3C.

dzingel is a 2nd line, 40point winger on Ottawa, probably a 3rd line rental addition for a playoff team, sure maybe could garner a 1st.

the first isn't even guarranteed so that isn't a game breaker. has to be unconditional to even get the ball rolling.

for jones your talking chabot+ tbh, your not getting a future top5 leaguewide dman and a #1 dman right now, locked up long term.


3.) 11 Dec 2018 01:51:16
I don't think CLB is trading Jones anytime soon. Lol. Zero need to trade one of the top young D men in the league for a package. He's too good and important to the team.


4.) 11 Dec 2018 02:01:11
So Ottawa gets a possible future Norris trophy winner for a 26 year old 3rd line winger (top 6 on crap teams), a center prospect that is yet to play a game in the nhl and isn’t getting younger, Paul who is no longer a relevant prospect of a prospect at all, a over paid 5-7th defence and a conditional 1st. GTFOH! You can’t possibly think that Columbus would even consider this! To quote BIlly Madison’s high school principal “What you’ve just said is One of the most insanely idiotic things I’ve ever heard. At nompoint in your ramblng incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points and may God have mercy on our souls”.


5.) 11 Dec 2018 02:21:32
Clb isn't trading jones and if they did they would be looking for a package with more high end talent.


6.) 11 Dec 2018 02:54:58
First of all, not a chance from Columbus.

Second of all Nick Paul was a decent prospect when he was traded for spezza going on 5 years ago. He’s an AHLer now.


7.) 11 Dec 2018 03:02:34
1. Ceci sucks
2. Brown is solid, not a high end prospect
3. Paul is a 4th liner
Big no from CBJ.


8.) 11 Dec 2018 04:14:22
Quality over quantity especially when the quantity really sucks. Execpt brown.


9.) 11 Dec 2018 05:00:41
Ceci is hot garbage, just like your biased posts.


10.) 11 Dec 2018 13:19:29
Ok firstly who exactly is nuutavira? Rofl Ceci literally out ranks him by name alone let alone experience and skill. He's top 4 even in Columbus.

Secondly it doesn't matter what I post here because even clear over payments are never enough according to many of you, I could post Ottawa's best 12 players for Jones and you still expect to add 4 1st round picks on top, somehow according to you guys Ottawa could have the top 3 leading scorers in the league and they'd still be worth no more than a 3rd round pick and a late one at that. You people wouldn't know true value of it was waived in you face.

And thirdly this is for top shelf, think about your comment on dzingle for a second, if Foligno can go from 3rd or 4th line in Ottawa when the most we had at that time was the pizza line to being a 1st line winger in Columbus to this day, and dzingle is a much better player on top line role now on a team with more depth then back then there's no doubt he'll be top 6 there especially with panarin leaving. Who exactly is going to out rank him? Wenberg, and who? Kind of need 5 more to make that comment work.


11.) 11 Dec 2018 14:17:11
Rambo Dzingel scores at the same rate as Killorn so I’ll just leave it at that, that’s not legit top 6 production on a competitive team. You don’t know who Nuttivara is and we’re supposed to take your opinion on his value and skill seriously? Simply put, any trade for Jones will need a high end, wow player coming back and this package doesn’t have it. You can throw 15 players/ picks in a deal like this who may add up to value, but CLB doesn’t pull the trigger without a premium piece coming back.


12.) 11 Dec 2018 15:02:14
Jbs other than wenberg and panarin who won't be there much longer noone else among Columbus forwards out ranks dzingle, Atkinson maybe and the Anderson and Jenner around similar skill set. Foligno just benefits from top line mines which dzingle would do better with.

Nuutavira definitely don't out rank Ceci, not a chance.

Schmoe get real, brown "not a high end prospect" hahaha tell that to any gm in the league they'll think you're a stand up comedian. The guy was slated to go top 5 in his draft year before injuries bumped him down, and his ceiling is 1st line center guaranteed top 6 forward, just needs work on skating ability which is coming along nicely. If that's not a high end prospect then we must be on Mars.

Also dzingle much better than killorn, killorn only looks good from time playing with elite and top end players in Tampa, on a weak team he's a joke, dzingle rarely plays with the better Ottawa guys but rather spearheads a line himself, that speaks for itself.

Paul still a decent prospect that can be a role player in bottom 6 on most team including CBJ.

And the 1st will likely be a 1st as not much leaves Ottawa that they can't replace. Jones a clear upgrade on Ceci and paired with Chabot or Lajoie makes their defense legit instantly, and clearly their offence in fine as is so round 2 shouldn't be too tough unless they hit Tampa in round 1.


13.) 11 Dec 2018 15:06:02
And fyi Jones wouldn't get Chabot straight up let alone adding to Ottawa side. Sure he's better defensively but Chabot got a bigger edge offencivly and he's younger with a bigger ceiling. Was also endorsed by Ek who said he was much better than he was at that age over last 2 years running. Again classic example of under value on sens players.


14.) 11 Dec 2018 17:50:28
You know Killorn plays with Cirelli and Joseph and has never played more than maybe a handful of games with guys like Stamkos and Kucherov right? He plays 3rd line minutes with 3rd line players. Also Just so you know this year Foligno has about 20 seconds a game more ice time Dzingel. Dzingel has 4 more points than Killorn with an extra 2 min a game. Killorn is the same kind of player as Dzingel, 3rd line on a good team second line on a bad team and they’ve put up similar production in their careers. There isn’t a huge difference between them where one is garbage and the other is a top 6 up and comer. As for who is over Dzingel on CLB the answer is Wennberg Panarin Foligno Atkinson Jenner Dubois there’s 6.


15.) 11 Dec 2018 18:33:07
I've seen killorn with Stamkos and kucherov, or Johnson and Palat more often than not which is where he get most his points from, dzingle has better hands, is a better skater, got a better shot, and frankly is a much better player.

Majority of dzingle minutes are with pageau and Pyatt or in this year's case teirney and Ryan and or smith and paajarvi on third line but still keeping up with top lines and getting powerplay time.

You just don't like giving sens players the credit they obviously deserve and would rather talk smack about them because of situations that have nothing to do with their skill and base their value off that garbage instead of the talent they show on ice.

It's been said around the league for years that Ottawa is among a small group of teams with the deepest depth chart among prospects in the league yet somehow a team with garbage in the system has better prospects according to you guys who are somehow worth more?

Chabot, tkechuck, brown, white, Batherson, formenton, chlapic, AHL, Gustafson, balcers, Norris, Bernard-docker, tychonick are all solid high level kids and most if not all of them have dominated their respective leagues before NHL. Chlapic and formenton need to add size and brown needs more speed or they'd be on main roster now.

On to of them there's the group that could still suprise everyone like Hoffman did, or more recently lajoie did, and that's luchuck, gagne, Paul, wolanen, etc.

On top of that 5 of those mentioned have been playing top end minutes for most of this season and not looking out of place.

White 2 among rookies
Tkechuck 3 among rookies
Chabot 1/ 2 among defence
Batherson roughly a point a game
Lajoie 4 rookie defencemen behind only dahlin heiskenen and jomiharjubu or what ever Detroit guy name is

Not a coincidence they are that good as will the other ones I mentioned be.


16.) 11 Dec 2018 18:57:00
Killorn literally hasn’t played a shift with Stamkos/ Kucherov all year. I’ll reiterate again I’m a Tampa fan. I watch the games. Killorn isn't player with superstars. I agree Killorn will get shifts with better players, but Killorn and Dzingel fall in the same bucket even if Dzingel is slightly better. That’s what I’m trying to get you to realize, Dzingel isn’t some huge value asset, he’s a serviceable player but he’s nothing special.


17.) 11 Dec 2018 20:26:00
How is it that everyone on the site disagrees with Rambo, yet we’re the problem?


18.) 11 Dec 2018 20:56:43
It's always a good time when the loudest person in the room is also the most clueless. Save your energy; no matter how many times Rambo embarrasses himself being flat out wrong and out to lunch he won't get it. Just sit back and enjoy the laughs.


19.) 11 Dec 2018 21:16:33
Wtf? Jones wouldn't get chabot straight up? That's probably the most insane thing I've read on this site, Rambo must be writing in a angry rage to write that kind of craziness.


20.) 12 Dec 2018 15:06:23
Shootsmcgee, Jones is 26 years old in the prime of his career and currently getting out played by Chabot who is 19 years old and not even close to his prime yet so yeah I absolutely stand by that statement. The whole premice of this proposal is to get a solid 1st line defensive partner for Chabot without moving you best 3-4 guys or killing the rebuild they've started.

Brown will be a top 6 forward guaranteed possible 1st line center, only reason he's in minors is they have him working on his speed.

Dzingle is twice the player killorn is jbs that's a fact, before Kuch even joined Stammers line he had killorn always with him while Kuch was on triplet line with Palat and johnson, and killorn still plays more than enough time with that line when they juggle point to Johnson's line and so on.


 

 

08 Dec 2018 21:31:16
Ok here's one for you guys

Ottawa needs defence, Tampa could use help getting Stamkos going, not that he's doing bad but not like he was last year.

Ottawa : dzingle, chlapic

Tampa : sergachev, 2nd (Tampa 2nd is basically a 3rd)

Gives Tampa an affordable top 6 forward with a ton of speed, and a solid prospect forward with top 6 potential

Gives Ottawa an extra pick in mid rounds, and a quality young defenceman, who can slip in nicely with either Chabot or Lajoie in top 4.

NoBiasRambo2

1.) 08 Dec 2018 22:28:40
Sergachev is worth more than that. He’s not having the greatest year but he’s still young, no where near his ceiling yet. Tampa says no.


2.) 08 Dec 2018 23:11:57
Tampa has a logjam at forward, they need the D more. Sergachev is more valuable to that package imo, especially for Tampa who has few good D prospects and a cap crunch coming. Tampa’s loaded at forward both in the NHL and prospect system just don’t see them making that kind of move.


3.) 08 Dec 2018 23:35:28
Holy lmao. That is so one sided for Ottawa I can’t even. lmao.


4.) 09 Dec 2018 04:33:52
Stamkos is good enough to get his own offense going. Jus had 4 points. he's fine.


5.) 09 Dec 2018 07:24:53
Rambone! My brother. This is one sided toward the Sens and you know it. Tampa has no reason to agree to this man. Come on now.


6.) 09 Dec 2018 14:42:13
How is this one sided for Ottawa, vertius?

Tampa pick has very little value, sergachev had one solid season in his rookie year and has dropped the ball so far this year just like expected. Still got solid upside of potential but not likely to duplicate last season performance.

While dzingle is a top 6 quality speedy and proven forward averaging roughly 0.55 points per game throughout his career on a team that till now had half the kind of fire power to work with that Tampa does, on top of that he continues to improve and don't cost an arm and a leg salary wise and is arguably top 3 fastest skaters in the game behind McDavid and maybe MacKinnon.

Chlapic is also a solid top 6 potential prospect with tons of upside and a back for finding the back of the net.

This undervaluing sens players / over valuing other teams players is getting kindve old and worn out.


7.) 09 Dec 2018 14:43:44
Oh and jbs32, Tampa is actually more loaded on defense than forward, they just don't get the credit they deserve.

Coburn as the 6th dman beside sergachev right now, 3 and 4 being McDonagh and Girardi who were 1 and 2 respectively in new York for years, and Hedman and stralman rounding out top 6 defence

Plus buljus and sustr and DeAngelo in the system

I think they can afford to move sergachev to bolster offence even more and add to the system for when they have a hard time signing everyone and can afford to let them go.

With up coming kucherov, sergachev, point, and guorde contracts due for big raises soon to name a few, it's not likely all will be sticking round why not replenish so your ready for it?


8.) 09 Dec 2018 15:32:45
Tbh Sergachev is a stud for his age, if he’d still be at Mtl he would have been 1st pair. Young highly skilled dman don’t come out of your backyard. Sergachev is a future elite dman so you might as well propose and future elite forward like Batherson. Cheap compensation is not going to be enough. The guys you proposed are the kind of guys that can be easily replaced by free agency.


9.) 09 Dec 2018 16:24:34
So Rambo can I ask how often you follow other teams?
Because Tampa has none of those players you mentioned for them they only have 1 good D prospect outside the NHL and that is Foote.


10.) 09 Dec 2018 18:12:10
I though this trade proposal was a joke at first. Chlapic is a seconde round pic from 2015 that still isn't proven to be nhl player ready. I wouldn't call that an nhl propect with a big upside. He playes 20 games last year and went got 1g 3a +/ - -5
The senator haven't even recalled him this season yet. I think that says something no?

Dzingle is a good player that could help any team for sure as a top 9 and can help top 6 when they're injuries.

Just seeing that you asked for sergachev a future elite defenceman that was drafted top 10 in 2016 and I would say that has surpassed expectations. After that you go and add a seconde round pic.

Summary

Chlapic would be equal value to tampas 2nd round pic

Dzingle.


11.) 09 Dec 2018 18:23:12
It looks like my comment was cut half way through but basiclly
Sergachev is way better then dzingle and tp wouldn't trade him for a forward after giving a forward a bit over 1 year ago to get him.
The trade doesn't make much sense and the value is way off.


12.) 09 Dec 2018 23:52:06
No rambone, you have always over valued Sens players and your trades are always very good for the Sens. Understandable, when you make a trade you want it to be a win, but your proposals are massive wins for your team not just close calls. Sens have good players, no ones saying they aren't good players.


13.) 10 Dec 2018 00:45:09
Rambo I’m a Tampa fan. I know their team and system. Girardi isn’t good. Coburn has been good this year but is playing much better than past few years. They have insane forward depth in NHL and minors but as was mentioned earlier Foote only good D prospect outside of NHL. Sustr hasn’t been a prospect in 5 years sucks and is in Anaheim.

Blujus moved on a few years ago. DeAngelo is on his 2nd team since leaving Tampa. Kucherov and Gourde already have their contracts signed. There are other forwards they will move for cap reasons before Sergachev, who they don’t need to worry about until after next season anyway. 0.55 ppg is respectable but more 3rd line or middle 6. Dzingel isn’t the third fastest player in the league, he might not be the 3rd fastest player on Tampa.


14.) 10 Dec 2018 00:44:15
Is that right chlapic is NHL ready it's just because Ottawa has too many over paid guys that they don't want on 4th line and because of hlapic skill they kept him in minors so he could get ice time he deserves rather than waste away on the 4th line. Successful development teams do that all the time look at Detroit with guys like Zetterberg and Datsyuk or Vancouver with the Sedin boys and how they turned out.

Chlapic not going to bump Duchene, stone, Batherson, tkechuck, dzingle, or white at this point and they won't throw teirney, boadker, or Ryan on 4th line so why waste his talent?

Arguably he and balcers should have been called up instead of McCormick and Paul to fill in for Ryan and Duchene but sens management never been smart.


15.) 10 Dec 2018 00:47:54
Ctc55 did they trade those players over the weekend and not report it. I literally just double checked their roster before typing this response and they absolutely have every player I mentioned.

Forwards mentioned : brayden point, yanne guorde, Nikita kucherov

Defence mentioned : Victor Hedman, Anton stralman, Ryan McDonagh, Dan Girardi, Braden couburn, mikkail sergachev, Andre sustr, Anthony DeAngelo, and Dylan buljus


Defence I didn't mention that they also have in system with potential is your boy Foote and Slater koakkoak


Might want to do your homework and look it up before you try make me look foolish lol just sayin.


16.) 10 Dec 2018 00:40:22
Is that right also note this, by your logic in stating that chlapic worth no more than Tampa's 2nd because of the fact he was drafted in the 2nd you're basically saying a players trade value stays the same as the day they are drafted and never increases.

Also by that logic you're basically saying that a player like chlapic would be worth more than a guys like stone or even Datsyuk or Zetterberg based on the fact he was drafted in an earlier round than they were.

That being said chlapic was draft mid 2nd not late 2nd and his value has increased since then and will continue to do so.

Just because he's currently not on the main roster don't mean he's not a high end prospect. Look at Logan brown for example ranked 3rd among Ottawa's top prospects behind only Chabot and tkechuck, and ahead of the likes of white, Batherson, formenton, chlapic, Gustafson, AHL, gagne, luchuck, Norris, balcers, tychonick, and Bernard docker, all of which are solid prospects that prove Ottawa has a much deeper prospects pool than most teams.
Also note that brown ranked higher that white who is currently number 2 rookie in league yet brown in minors. Does that make his value less?
NOT A CHANCE IT DOES!


17.) 10 Dec 2018 02:38:28
Oh look a garbage for gold proposal completely biased in the Sens favour from Rambo.

In other news, water is wet.

You would think with all these amazing super valuable players the Sens apparently have they would suck less.


18.) 10 Dec 2018 03:51:37
I looked at chlapik stats and they do not show that he is a promising propect so yeah i don't think he's worth more then a seconde. I also don't know how you brought up zeterberg and datsyuk into this obviously some guys are drafted late in a draft and become stars but that just not the case for chlapik. Panari wasnt drafted i don't think that chlapik better then him for it.


19.) 10 Dec 2018 05:38:05
Where do you ‘double check that roster’? Because Tampa traded deangelo to Arizona at the 2016 draft and he was traded to rangers for Raanta and stepan in 2017. Also suster was a free agent signing of the ducks in the offseason.


20.) 10 Dec 2018 12:54:11
Rambo there is really no point in telling you stuff anymore because you never listen. DeAngelo is on the Rangers, Sustr is on Anaheim’s farm team after going through waivers and buljus is on Vancouver's farm team. Please listen and don’t think everyone is out to get you. Look at the site most proposals get turned down but people edit and listen to the comments about it (usually) and improve on them.


 

 

 

NoBiasRambo2's talk posts with other poster's replies to NoBiasRambo2's talk posts

 

09 Feb 2019 18:28:28
As reported by Dave pagnotta, the asking price for stone and Duchene has been revealed.

A 1st round pick, a top tier prospect, and another top tier asset

Actual asking price e for each of them, and that's as is unsigned and rightfully so!

NoBiasRambo2

1.) 09 Feb 2019 18:49:37
So the actual get will be lower.


2.) 09 Feb 2019 19:59:18
That's why he hasn't been moved yet. The price will come down as the TDL approaches.


3.) 09 Feb 2019 20:22:38
Hopefully duchene can come down to near stasny price. Something like a 1st a 3rd and petan.


4.) 10 Feb 2019 15:33:22
NoBiasRambo is Dave Pagnotta the same guy that made you think that Karlson was going to get a return of something like Sergachev, Point + first rd pick. Was that what it was Ramboo? Funny tho because he got 1/ 4 of what you said wich makes me think it's going to be the same thing with both these players.


 

 

01 Jan 2019 23:48:31
Time to blow things up in Ottawa and Edmonton by the looks of things. How about.

Ott : Duchene, stone, white, Ceci, chlapic,

Edm : McDavid, Lucic

Ottawa gives up its top 2 players and 3rd and 6th/ 7th best prospect / young player and a bad contract yet top 4 dman

Edmonton gives one of the best 2 players in the world and a far worst contract

As much as I hate to post trades involving stone and Duchene this I could live with and I do feel is more than fair for Edmonton as well given McDavid would require a lot to get.

Ottawa

Formenton McDavid Batherson
Tkechuck brown Norris
Dzingle teirney boadker
Lucic/ smith pageau paajarvi/ ryan

Edmonton

Nuge Duchene draisaitl
Kassian white stone
Kharia/ Yamamoto cagguilla/ chlapic Chiasson
Rattie brodziak Reider/ puljujarvi



Ottawa has the speed to keep pace with McDavid while Edmonton has the high end depth to help Duchene and stone and minimize the Ceci down side as well as the younger talent to keep white on his current up swing plus Ottawa would have a new franchise piece to build around that is actually secured long term.

Obviously though players would be signed first.

NoBiasRambo2

1.) 02 Jan 2019 01:24:40
Oh boy. I'll give ya credit for posting trade proposals, however, when it comes to McDavid, jus dont. it jus isn't going to happen anytime soon.


2.) 02 Jan 2019 12:10:48
Anything for McDavid starts with Chabot and a 1st+. Duchene and Stone are in the last year or their contract right? Edmonton will need guaranteed young long term impact players back even if they include Lucic.


3.) 02 Jan 2019 14:14:32
Just, just, lol. For NcDm you tsrat with Chabot, White and Stone, then keep on adding.


4.) 02 Jan 2019 20:07:04
Lucic cancels out McDavids value. Lucic is 6 million dollar beer league grinder probably can’t even balance on the ice without a stick. No team will take him no matter what’s added.


5.) 03 Jan 2019 14:54:01
First off I did say all players signed jbs32. And given the fact Ottawa is just starting a rebuild, including Chabot and a 1st is not an option. It's bad enough if they have to pay this much as both Duchene and stone are long term impact players and white and chlapic will be as well, and with a more well rounded defencive minded team around him Ceci would look a lot better in Edmonton too, not to say he'll be out right amazing but better than his time in Ottawa.

Topshelfslappers McDavid is amazing but he's not Gretzky and even Gretzky didn't get the type of return your saying, this right here is more than fair value for McDavid.
2 top 3 towards, an A level prospect, a B+ level prospect, and a top 4 defenceman, all fully signed, Edmonton would be insane to say no to something like this even for McDavid.

And you can say he'll never be traded all you want but truth is anyone at anytime can be traded, Gretzky was, Karlsson was, Seguin was, Toews Kane on the block, if a team feels the only way to change their luck is to move their biggest star for multiple peices they'll likely do it. And Edmonton has been the joke of the league a lot longer than Ottawa has even in McDavid era as he's the solo shining light it seems but they also don't have any players like stone and Duchene.

Also topshelfslappers, white and stone plus Duchene and chlapic and even Ceci plus taking on Lucic is still better value than swapping out Lucic Ceci chlapic and Duchene for Chabot as good as he is, maybe read the trade in full before another ignorant comment.


6.) 03 Jan 2019 16:26:42
Omg did vbbvbb and I actually see eye to eye on something? Lol what's this world coming to lol?


7.) 03 Jan 2019 20:56:24
But Duchene and Stone signed will have a higher cap hit than McDavid, and provide less value. White and Chlapic are not A and B+ prospects they’re like a B and C. Edmonton is worse defensively than Ott, they won’t make Ceci look better, and making him look better instead of actually making him better doesn’t give him more value. Gretzky did get a better return, Carson was 20 coming off a 100 point season and drafted 2nd overall 2 years prior. Gelinas was 7th overall that summer. Carson was one of the best young players in the game, Gelinas one of the top prospects. They also got 3 first round picks (better value than white, Chlapik and Ceci) and 15 million dollars. They also didn’t have to worry about a cap environment, and this trade is not good for the oilers from a cap perspective as they would take on cap (which they can’t) and while they gain some depth it’s not a move that sets them up better really now or in the future as opposed to keeping McDavid. Starts with Chabot (young star player with lots of cheap team control) and at least 1 first for McDavid and add from there.


8.) 03 Jan 2019 23:21:30
Jbs32. Ottawa has offencive minded defenceman which despite how much Ceci tries to play defensively he'll always be better offencively as that's what he was drafted as in the first place, where Edmonton defence is better in their own end than Ottawa defence is, 40+ shots against per game in Ottawa should tell you that.

And what more does white have to do to prove he's an A level prospect? He was same value level as Chabot last year and the year before during Duchene trade talks according to sakic and every sports anylists worth mentioning, and this year the guy is literally the current 2nd best rookie in the league and in the same discussion as Petterson, dahlin, svechnikov, and his own team and line mate tkechuck in that regard, stop downplaying the players just because you hate the team.

Chlapic don't have much NHL experience to go on but based on his preseason work as well as hype from his world Juniors year, and critics statements on him he's a b level prospect whether you think he is or not.

Duchene and stone will have a higher cap hit than McDavid sure but definitely not a whole lot lower in value especially fully signed, dream on dude, McDavid is 3rd in league with 61 points currently and both Duchene and stone are not only 2 of the best defensive forwards in the game but both also top 35 with 40 and 45 points respectively 95 combined currently and Duchene fairly close speed wise too.

Sure McDavid will be between 80 and 115 points a season but both stone and Duchene consistently get between 55 and 80 points a season so the value is fairly even until you factor in age which white and chlapic more than make up for and while you might say Ceci value cancels that I counter by saying lucic value kicks Ceci value out the window and makes the value of this trade go in favour of Edmonton by quite a bit.

As bad as the Ceci value might be portrayed as, the Lucic value is far worst by a land slide, plus if Ceci don't work out, who cares? His contract is up at end of year while Lucic still has major term, so really Edmonton saves cap space long term as lucic plus McDavid costs more than a fully signed stone and Duchene as well as more than the current contracts of stone plus Duchene plus Ceci, and can just let Ceci walk if he doesn't pan out.


9.) 04 Jan 2019 03:09:21
Also white is a former 1st rounder himself who's currently exceeding what was expected of of the year he was drafted, and chlapic though drafted mid 2nd round 3 years ago is well on his ways to exceeding what is expected of him and quite frankly most first 1st round draftees as well.

On top of that Duchene and stone put up high end numbers every season and are 2 of the best end to end players in the game today despite what you think of Ottawa and Ceci though hated in Ottawa is still a top 4 dman.


Now here's what separates that Gretzky trade, it never had a massively overpayed trash can signed long term like Lucic involved in the deal to begin with, where as this trade serves 2 purposes,

1 - it gets top dollar or more for McDavid that much is a sure thing

2 - it also gives them a funnel they won't find elsewhere to offload Lucic and his long term 6 mill+

It also gives them back a little depth after those horrible hall and Eberle trades and though the fans might be angry at first after losing McDavid I believe stone white and Duchene will ease that anger quite quickly and chlapic will be a super pleasant surprise down the road while McDavid will fit in nicely in Ottawa and find a handful of guys who can actually keep up to his speed in guys like formenton, boadker, dzingle, and Batherson. Plus Chabot feeding McDavid would be so sikk. Plus it opens the possibility of Karlsson returbing in offseason at a discount for the opportunity to play with McDavid assuming Gaborik is bought out and smith is shipped out.


10.) 04 Jan 2019 03:31:34
Letting a guy walk is counter intuitive to acquiring him. Ceci still isn’t good. You don’t seem to grasp how prospect grades work, there are maybe 5-10 A prospects at any given time. White isn’t one of them. A means generational/ superstar and White isn’t that. I don’t have Ottawa, because people don’t over value players the same way you do doesn’t mean they hate the team. Chlapik is putting up a decent but not extraordinary season in the AHL, his numbers are worse than Tampa AHL rookies Barre-Boulet and Raddysh who I’m sure you would agree would be a stretch to call B prospects. The package just isn’t right for McDavid without someone like Chabot going back. I understand where McDavid is in the points race I also understand he’s played 3 seasons (2 full) won 2 Art Ross trophies and hasn’t even reached his prime yet. He could very well put up 120+ points annually and he’s not even getting any help.


11.) 04 Jan 2019 05:35:20
Brady Tkachuk is an A prospect. White is a B+ prospect.


12.) 04 Jan 2019 07:17:09
Oh Rambone.


13.) 04 Jan 2019 12:46:41
White is not a prospect he's a very soon to be 22 year old. He should be producing even more so then he has if he was ever considered an A prospect. its not right to compare him to teenagers. there are a lot of players in the last two drafts that I'd take over him in a heartbeat. You want to see an A prospect check out what pettersson is doing as a 19 year old.


14.) 04 Jan 2019 15:45:27
I’d give White prospect status, I feel comfortable calling non established players prospects until about 24. Chlapik falls in the same boat he’s only 5 months younger. McDavid is 2 weeks older than White, meaning he’s the same age as the prospects being acquired in this deal. I don’t have time to argue everything Rambo is saying here today, so I’ll just leave it at if all of Ottawa’s players and prospects are as good as you say why is Ottawa last in their division, 31 points out of first, and their AHL team 6th in their division 10 points out of first despite being middle of the pack in terms of average age in the developmental league?


15.) 04 Jan 2019 22:00:37
I just find it hard to rank a player at 21 or 22 the same as a 18 year old. Like in 3 years every player in the top 20 of last years draft could be putting up better numbers then white has this season. But they are not all A prospects like Rambo said white is. a 22 year old who has 60 plus nhl games played should be ranked on his nhl performance not on a prospect basis IMO.


16.) 04 Jan 2019 23:56:10
Pettersson is an A+ prospect.


17.) 05 Jan 2019 07:09:21
I disagree petterson is an A nhler. He will never be going back to prospect status.


18.) 05 Jan 2019 18:04:50
Eh I don’t mind the term prospect on a player until it’s unreasonable to expect more development or they are firmly established. White is very much not an A prospect, and comparing him to guys like Petterson is a joke, but he’s still a prospect in my mind. A non-affiliated Lightning prospect site I enjoy and respect uses under 24, under 41 games in a season and under 82 game career as benchmarks. So White would be close to graduating. But Young NHL players still have that growth to be considered when evaluating. Also keep in mind when Rambo calls White the second best rookie he’s only talking points (not taking into account games played, defensive ability, TOI, or position)


19.) 06 Jan 2019 18:33:56
Fair point about Petterson I can respect that but white is still better than a B+ prospect, he's A- at worst and a 2 year age gap don't seperate him from prospect status when the kid is only 21, if that's considered old this world is in the gutter. Chlapic is easily a B to a B+ prospect himself.

And the reason Ottawa is doing bad is because of poor coaching, terrible management decisions, and a cheap owner. Arguably some would say the AHL top line of balcers, Batherson and yes, chlapic are more dangerous than the NHL top line this season the way they've played. On top of that how's a team supposed to win consistently when you're fighting that, plus has the most bad or missed calls by refs every game of any other team costing them games, plus half the main stars being injured most of the season?

Pageau, Ryan, Chabot, tkechuck, Duchene, demelo, Ceci, etc all injured at some point, you don't think that plays a factor in winning or losing games?

As for McDavid production which I agree could likely reach 120 in a season at some point what do you think stone + Duchene + white + chlapic will reach? Stone and Duchene alone get 55 + points anually each working out to combined 110 add white to that who's getting better every year and likely will be a top 6 forward himself with between 40 and 60 points a season and chlapic who will likely be between 25 and 45 points a season (and that's just spirit balling predictions) I'd say McDavid is more than paid for, add in the Ceci for Lucic part and it's guaranteed paid for.

You asked why acquire Ceci only to drop him? Simple.

Lucic - long term terrible contract

Ceci - end of bad contract

Ceci is better player, better contract, shorter term contract, and a contract they can either sign at a lower rate or let go without worry or backlash of a buyout penalty while Lucic they either forced to keep, works against their cap, does nothing to earn his keep, and only way they likely to get rid of him is to buy him out or retain half his salary in any other deal both of which work against their cap.


20.) 06 Jan 2019 21:48:58
Rambo the Lightning have played most the season missing one or more of Hedman Stralman Miller Palat injuries happen to every team. The Barre Boulet-Conacher-Verhaeghe line is just one line that has been better than any line in Belleville. I’m not saying White isn’t a good prospect and Chlapik isn’t decent but A prospect means superstar, white isn’t that. He’s likely a middle 6 guy that might be able to play up if needed. What does moving Lucic have anything to do with acquiring Ceci? Just because one isn’t as bad as the other doesn’t mean you need to take one to move the other in a trade involving Connor McDavid.


21.) 09 Jan 2019 11:23:14
Taking Ceci is to basically even out the cap hits if you want to look at it that way and still provide possible value if he works out jbs. If he don't, who cares as his contract is up at year's end anyway. Edmonton gets more than enough value for McDavid with everything else plus offloads and immovable long term contract. I don't see how you don't see that?

Both stone and Duchene are amazing 2 way players that are consistently among leagues best, white will be up there too and is along the way now, chlapic will also be solid, where as Ceci is a means to move Lucic but could be a risk reward player.


 

 

18 Dec 2018 00:25:53
Alright guys instead of the usual trade post I just want to see everyones oppinion on one of the hottest topics of the next 2 seasons.


Jack Hughes vs Alexis Lafreniere?

This year's number 1 vs next year's number 1

Agree for Lafreniere who I personally prefer and think is the better player

Disagree for Hughes if you like him more

Love to hear some oppinions on both anyway so feel free to give some friendly feedback.

NoBiasRambo2

1.) 18 Dec 2018 12:42:09
Wow 1st post that wasn’t hilariously bad. I’ve played against Alexis Lafreniere actually a few years ago in Bantam during the Montreal mealtdown there was a lot of great players in that tournament but he was the best by far. Easily the best player I’ve ever been on the ice with. Now that was a couple years ago I haven’t seen him play since.


2.) 18 Dec 2018 14:34:35
Hey Ramboone wojtek participate in this because I like Lafreniere too much. But I think u should admit Karlson got traded for peanuts compare to what u thought bud.


3.) 18 Dec 2018 15:34:39
Boomboom that still remains to be seen. If EK don't RESIGN In SJS they will be in rough shape. Dillon is terrible but will be their number 3 dman. And since Ottawa will have their 1st non lottery protected that could easily fix the deal and make every sen fan happy, even you have to admit that. I'll admit I was pissed at time of trade, but seeing San Jose flop since then, what they had to let go of to afford him, and the fact he's not interested in resigning with them. it's getting better and better.

But that's a different story and not what this post is about, so let's stay on topic.

Hughes is exciting don't get me wrong but I like Lafreniere because I believe he has the better all round game about him and is more responsible player. Kids sik.


4.) 19 Dec 2018 18:26:22
U were talking Point+ Sergachev+1st for Karlson so yes he got traded for peanuts compared to what you thought he would get.


5.) 19 Dec 2018 18:37:51
Not if San Jose can't sign him themselves.

1 scenario is that he comes back to ottawa in offseason, which would be a win no matter how you look at it

2nd scenario he signs elsewhere leaving San Jose in a world of hurt next year to the point that the pick recieved becomes lottery and gets the sens a chance to draft Lafreniere, that's a guaranteed win even better than point, a late 1st, and an overrated sergachev lol yes I said overrated.

Plus if San Jose feels it's going to playout like this and decides to trade him by deadline, destinations are limited as a trade to east forces them to give Ottawa another 1st for what will be less than they gave Ottawa to get him in the 1st place due to a couple lack luster seasons.

Good luck proving that's not a win lol, especially when all pieces involved are looking solid on sens end so far.


6.) 19 Dec 2018 22:51:47
‘Overrated sergachev’ after you don’t get him when you wanted him lol just brutal. And no, a 1 in 15 chance at Lafreniere a year out is not worth more than Brayden Point haha point is 22 years old with 53 goals and 11pts in his last 117 games over a season and a half. Now he’s not worth as much as San Jose’s 1st rounder?!?! Ahahahaha.


7.) 21 Dec 2018 02:09:06
Jim I never said they weren't good lol but you guys seem to have them on a pedestal way above their worth. Sergachev is half the player he was last year and Chabot proving he's the better young defenseman of the 2 by a long shot.
And point is solid sure but the kid also has inflated numbers due to his time playing with kucherov.

And based on how mid level San Jose doing this year combined with losing EK, and possibly Thornton next year and litterally only having 2 good dmen next year because of it both of which are 30 years or older lol not to mention how Kane gets when he gets frustrated on top of that, San Jose will need a miracal not to be a lottery team next year.

If point is deemed worth that kind of pick then Duchene is worth this year's 1st overall and next year's 1st overall combined. Duchene does more than point without feeding off 2 of the best players in the game today and also without playing with Ottawa's other top forward who the same can be said stone as the 2 of them are on different lines. Duchene mainly plays with Batherson dzingle boadker or Ryan any combo of the 4 while stone plays with any combo of tkechuck white teirney or smith.


I still would like either of the 2 point or sergachev but not on a massive overpayment like y'all seem to think they're worth when their not worth that.

Sergachev at this point is roughly Colin white value while point is somewhere between dzingle Duchene value (more than dzingle less than Duchene somewhere in middle of the 2) and Tampa's 1st is like king's to Blackhawks 2nd in value at this point.


8.) 21 Dec 2018 10:18:54
😂 lol.


 

 

 

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22 Feb 2019 22:50:10
First off cableguy, Ottawa don't have their own pick

Second, adding Duchene with a month and a half left in the season guarantees improvement for Edmonton who is currently in 5th last with games on hand on half the teams they are chasing, so taking Lucic as part of this as is, makes absolutely no sense for Ottawa, especially if Duchene has to agree to resign with Edmonton, either Edmonton adds 2big pieces, or they take out Lucic and add 1 solid piece, but as is? NO WAY Ottawa does this

Third, your high if you think he'll resign for 6 million over 7 years, he'd stay a sense of that's the case lol. You're looking at over 8 million easy.

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22 Feb 2019 15:05:08
If Duchene resigns shootsmcgee? Absolutely another first

With Gustafson already in the system there's no guarantee vehvilainen will make it big

And Columbus 1st is a mid to late pick

Jos Anderson is good but he don't make up that kind of difference on resigned Duchene

Trade is good as it with condition and all.

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22 Feb 2019 14:59:33
Not too much at all islanjet, quit smoking dude.

But I don't understand why both teams are retaining here, Duchene contract as well as stone is up at year's end, no need for Ottawa to retain at this point

Also Donato already gone in Coyle trade so I would imagine debrusk would be replacement here.

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22 Feb 2019 14:55:03
This is so bad it should go on 1 of those late night shows to be roasted on how bad a proposal it really is lol no way Ottawa gives Pittsburgh one of the games best defensive forwards for a fourth line tough guy, a 2nd rounder, and a 3rd rounder (possible 2if resigned) . Rofl NO WAY AT ALL!

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21 Feb 2019 15:50:14
First off I said nhl. com for stats proof you're just too lazy to look and I'm not transferring every detail on there for comparison, I'll be here all year if I did that.

2ndly, whatever that first bit you posted about pts/ 60 of 0.016 that's not even a real stat, what exactly is that supposed to be, ppg? If so, what's the 60 of 0.016? You make no sense.

And 3rdly and most importantly, plus minus, can't even be used as a top contributor in this pretext, as Ceci played and still plays on one of the weaker if not the weakest defensive teams in the league. Let's look at that mighty defence depth Ottawa has.

Chabot
Demelo
Ceci
Lajoie
Jaros
Wolanin
borwieski

In the past you can add

EK
Methot
Wideman
Clauson

But the fact is Chabot demelo and Lajoie were never around at the time of EK and Methot so really that depth chart never really changed.

You talk trash about how bad Ottawa's players are but truth be told their forwards are some of the best in the League and usually include at least 3 in top 100 and 2 in top 50, up front they have tons of depth more than most teams, heck they just got rid of 3 big guns and a depth guy last year and still have enough to role 4 solid lines and have a handful of young guys left in system waiting their shot. The defense is the problem in Ottawa outside a couple guys, always has been. Proof? Watch the Chicago game, scoring not an issue. Getting scored on is!

You wanted to be educated. You're welcome!

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