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05 Dec 2018 17:00:34
Montreal acquire: Jake Gardiner(UFA)

Toronto acquire: Noah Juulsen(ELC)

Toronto gets cheap help on the right side for the time being for an expiring contract. Juulsen can eat minutes and kill penalties. Maybe a potential partner for Rielly if he proves himself. He won't put up eye popping numbers in terms of points but he can be a steady presence for Them. Montreal gets a left handed defenseman that can play with Weber and Weber can give him more freedom to play offense. Montreal has a better chance of resigning him in the offseason as they have more cap than Toronto. Montreal doesn't need help on the right side with petry and Weber and Brook in a year or two plus a plethora of third pairing dmen. Does Montreal add a pick to this?

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1.) 05 Dec 2018 17:44:13
This could potentially work but it would be a deadline deal so too early to talk about it yet. It would depend on how juulsen plays from now till then and what position montreal are in in the standings by then.


2.) 05 Dec 2018 18:49:13
If montreal wants to do that, Leafs should go for it. Gardiner is the better player, no doubt, but Juulsen is a damn good player and fills a need for us. Dubas probably won’t trade Gardiner though because he wants to have him on the team for long playoff run. Gardiner helps us with that, but is a shame to be losing all these high quality UFA’s and not bringing in futures. I mean, let’s face it, the only way Gardiner is the deciding factor in a series is for the other team.


3.) 05 Dec 2018 20:43:20
No from mtl julsen has to potential to be bettebetter then Gardiner and he's already as reliable in his own end maybe even more. He won't be a 50+ point defensemen like Gardiner but a more solid all around defensemen. Plus he's RHD wich makes him very valuable to us especially with Petey and Weber above 30 years old. We still need a LHD for the present but not a Gardiner type defensemen. More like what Karl Alzner used to be when he played for the Caps. A guy like Jonas Brodin.


4.) 05 Dec 2018 20:50:03
id rather keep juulsen, for a rental who expecting getting pay 7M a year who his hitting free market. too much of a risk for a good 2 way physical D. i'd rather work something around petry.


5.) 05 Dec 2018 21:00:32
Boom boom. I would disagree. Weber should have a partner that can excel offensively and play half decent defense. We are stuck with Weber and have Brook coming through the pipeline. Why shouldn’t we trade to our greatest position of need. A few years time and we will have Weber petry juulsen and Brook on the right side. Alzner was never a solution for the left side. I see this as a hockey trade that could have benefits for both teams.


6.) 05 Dec 2018 23:59:59
Weber is exactly the type of defenseman Gardiner needs to play with. I didn’t realize Juulsen was a 2 way, physical defenseman. Sounds good to me.


7.) 05 Dec 2018 23:20:43
When we signed Alzner he was the solution for are left side. Alzner at 24 years old was a really good defensive top 4 D. Unfortunately we got him past his prime and he's terrible now. We signed him thinking he was the solution tho that what I meant.


8.) 05 Dec 2018 23:40:59
Mtl should not trade Juulsen. Sign him to a 8 years 4.5 million contract st te end of the season.


9.) 05 Dec 2018 23:58:41
A few years time Petry will be a free agent and he will be old and ineffective. Just like Weber. Mtl needs to keep theyres best young RHD and I'm not sold on Brook yet needs to prove himself in th nhl.


10.) 06 Dec 2018 02:09:01
i'd do it from a toronto perspective, montreal on the other hand? euh depends on their mindset at the deadline, if they think they can be on the playoff side of the bubble i could see montreal taking the gamble.


11.) 06 Dec 2018 15:16:19
I would rather keep Juulsen and trade Petry. We need to think more toward the future and having Weber Juulsen on the right sounds good to me. Trade Petry to bring up the left side to a team looking to make a run at the playoffs. I always thought he would look good with the leafs.


12.) 07 Dec 2018 17:44:13
Montreal laughs at this. why trade a guy like juhlsen for an over paid guy coming up to free agency.


 

 

 

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30 Nov 2018 16:53:43
So I was reading. That since Nylander has sat out most of the season. His cap hit will be like 1/3 or something more than what it should be this year. And that will make it less in the future years since the cap hit is prorated over a whole season. Toronto can afford to do that this year. Do you think they have purposely done this to save cap hit in the future

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1.) 30 Nov 2018 17:37:47
I don’t believe they have pre planned this and had this drag on for the cap savings, but I believe that they have been well aware of it all along and that it is going to be a bonus and help them justify the time it took.

Assuming leafs offered Nylander $6.5 mill to start, he wanted $8+. If he now, after all this time gets close to $7mill which is being reported as a possibility ($6.85-$6.9) on a 6 year term consider this:

If he signed in the summer at $6.5mill:
6x$6.5 mill = $39 mill in Nylanders pocket
And $6.5 mill cap hit for leafs

If he now gets $6.9 mill after all this time:
6x$6.9 mill = $41.4 mill - $2.14 mill (27 games wage @$6.5mill per that he missed out on) = $39.26 mill in Nylanders pocket
And a $6.629 cap hit for leafs beyond this season.

So if he gets $6.9 mill, he will have missed out on 27 games, gone through all of this and possibly alienated himself from some people for a total of $260k over 6 years. Pennies in the grand scheme of things. But it will mean that the leafs got him in the cap range they wanted to pay him and he’s really the one that lost out, because the team has been great without him and they didn’t cave.


2.) 30 Nov 2018 18:05:45
Yeah the very small difference it makes was not worth the trouble from the leafs perspective.250,000 to 300,000 cap savings really won't make much difference at the end of the day.


3.) 30 Nov 2018 19:02:47
@habby, $250-300k cap space does make a difference. I know it doesn’t seem like it now, but as the squeeze is put on in the next cpl years it could. Remember also that 300k in unused cap space for a season expands the amount you can take on at the deadline. Could be the difference between adding a piece or not being able too. Or having to add a pick for a team to retain a bit on that player to be able to fit him. I don’t think it’s the difference between keeping any of the other stars and not, but may mean you don’t have to lose a $2 mill player like Hyman or brown prematurely.


4.) 01 Dec 2018 01:37:25
I know it makes a little difference but just not enough to justify a guy sitting out this long.


5.) 01 Dec 2018 04:20:55
No GM in their right mind would engineer a situation like this. They would be fired. The job of GM is to ice the best team at all times. Having your star 1RW sit out the first 1/ 3 of the season to save a few bucks is a dangerous tactics that could backfire spectacularly if the team tanks to start the season, are forced to sign said player at his own terms, and miss the playoffs and all the money that entails.


6.) 01 Dec 2018 15:16:13
if the team was in the bottom of the division after a terrible start is one thing, but the teams playing high level hockey without one of its stars, nylander has no leverage. he obviously doesn't want to play for the leafs and be in all these other guys shadows. the guy is like 6th most important piece on the team, 6TH. he shouldn't be the second highest paid one this year. or any year.


 

 

26 Nov 2018 16:55:56
Just saw the Canadiens places Karl Alzner. Since he makes the same amount no matter where he plays. I doubt he would retire at this point. I wonder if any team is dumb enough to claim him.

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1.) 26 Nov 2018 17:55:33
I'd doubt it lol. But in all honesty he hasn't been too bad this year. i think there might be a team or two that would take him if his contract was 3mil or less.


2.) 26 Nov 2018 17:55:48
Nope . , no one is going to touch that contract.


3.) 26 Nov 2018 19:10:10
If he clears waivers and then gets sent down, the habs can recall him whenever they want. Under the old CBA, he would have had to come through re-entry waivers where teams could claim him at 50% which someone would do for sure. I think he’s a hab unless they can take back a different overpaid player with less term or something.


4.) 26 Nov 2018 19:17:14
Alzner for Lucic. Lol. I wish.


5.) 26 Nov 2018 19:24:33
That could work lol.


6.) 26 Nov 2018 20:19:48
Part of me kind of hoped that bergevin might be able to trade him (with salary retained obviously) . But I don’t think it would be possible. Especially since he started being a scratch regularly.


7.) 26 Nov 2018 20:23:39
I am by no means a fan of alzner. But I think maybe he didn’t get a good enough chance to play for a couple games. He was kept on a short leash and only played one or two games before heading back to the press box. I think a couple games he should’ve been put in instead of someone like schlemko just because he seems to somehow be in Claude juliens good books permanently.


8.) 26 Nov 2018 21:53:43
SOSA! NO, Bad Sosa!
We will not take Lucic for Alzner. Aside from a general hate for that guy from when he was spearing nuts with the bruins against MTL in the playoffs, Alzners contract is up before his and is still less. We don't need a bruiser like him.


9.) 27 Nov 2018 01:34:13
Lol. I get it Turkey. my bad. o thought they had about same term ( length left.
I think he'd he really good on that line with Domi and Drouin. plus. want to see him be an ass to Boston. lol. And. let's bring back Emelin. see if they hug it out.

I'm still pissed we let Emelin go. rather him than half of what we have.


10.) 27 Nov 2018 16:10:44
I wasn't really a big fan of Emelin. He was a bit dirty which i liked but didn't drop the gloves to defend himself. I think we could have signed him this off season - didn't he move back to Europe?
We needed to thin out some of our old defense to give a chance to the young guys. That is where we should be looking right now IMO. The club looks good right now but i don't think it will last.


11.) 27 Nov 2018 22:28:25
I think the reason emelin never fought was because he had some metal plates in his face or something. He got friggin rocked in a khl game if I remember. A guy who makes big hits like that should be able to drop the gloves but he made a lot of clean hits so it shouldn’t have been necessary.


 

 

 

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08 Feb 2019 19:36:22
Yeah. I meant like the poster was trying to say we should do that when he says (armia type trade) . Either way you look at it. Doesn’t work for the habs.

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08 Feb 2019 18:36:33
I assume that you are trying to say Montreal should send a young player stuck in the ahl in exchange for that. Honestly don’t think it would be worth it. Better to save the cap for any future signings since Montreal is doing well enough that they aren’t selling older assets.

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05 Dec 2018 21:00:32
Boom boom. I would disagree. Weber should have a partner that can excel offensively and play half decent defense. We are stuck with Weber and have Brook coming through the pipeline. Why shouldn’t we trade to our greatest position of need. A few years time and we will have Weber petry juulsen and Brook on the right side. Alzner was never a solution for the left side. I see this as a hockey trade that could have benefits for both teams.

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30 Nov 2018 17:09:35
You’re right Jim. But on that note. If we trade a defenseman on a contract for a ufa that wouldn’t sign with us in free agency. He would just go to free agency anyways. Either way no point of giving up an asset for him.

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30 Nov 2018 16:09:20
Gardiner is a ufa. We can sign him in the off-season. Toronto might not be able to. No rush for Montreal to trade for him. Toronto would rather keep him for the playoff run however marginally better he is. Petry is pretty under rated. Gardiner might be over rated.

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