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08 Aug 2018 02:22:00
What do you guys think of Kapanen+ Carrick

4

Justin Braun +2nd

Brauns controllable for Another Year. Which is BIG for toronto and its at a really reasonable sub 4mil. I would believe this would be an upgrade over Carrick Would maybe even potentially make Gardiner Expendable. I think Reilly Braun would be a sick top 2.

I think its a lot for toronto to give up but their need for a RHD they can control they're going to need to pony up. With their depth they can afford to make this. move. it does make toronto a little older however they're deep enough . Edmonton is a perfect example you need experienced durable. guys with the youngins to win.

DJP117

1.) 08 Aug 2018 05:38:00
Perhaps you overvalue Braun; he's good, but that's quite the package, and the 2nd doesn't really help for the leafs when they want to win now.


2.) 08 Aug 2018 09:17:11
33 points last year, could stick around that or better playing better minutes. Don’t know much about Braun but I’m assuming he has more value than Carrick. And Kapanen might have slightly more value than a San Jose 2nd maybe. Personally don’t see much of a reason for the sharks to do it. Also don’t know if the leafs would want to trade Kapanen for a short term average D.


3.) 08 Aug 2018 10:28:27
I’m sorry but did you say Edmonton is a perfect example of what it takes to win?


4.) 08 Aug 2018 14:17:16
How does this help San Jose? They give up a top 4 D for some guys that would be in depth roles. Sharks want to win.


5.) 08 Aug 2018 18:38:04
@Leafs17. I think he meant that when they had all those young top picks but not the veterans around them they couldn’t win. I could be wrong but I think he was saying they were an example of not winning, meaning to win you need the other way lol.


6.) 08 Aug 2018 18:52:09
Braun is pretty meh. but I guess so are the Leafs RHD. I think Toronto would be better off trading a bigger package for a better D man.


7.) 08 Aug 2018 21:03:40
This to me is like when people were saying to trade brown+ A pick for Demers. It’s a stop gap Dman that isn’t a huge upgrade. I’d rather them commit to a trade for a good RHD in the core age (Colin Miller, Ryan Pulock, Jacob Trouba) or go with what they have. But giving up depth for another D that isn’t a for sure upgrade on our top 4 doesn’t make a lot of sense.


8.) 08 Aug 2018 22:48:49
Thanks for the clarification Jim. I agree with prodepth, the sharks have been in win now mode for a few years now. I don’t see them trading Braun away at the moment.


9.) 09 Aug 2018 17:10:40
No problem. With Tavares, Marleau, hainsey, Gardiner, Kadri even mchilliney, they do have plenty of good veterans to help the youth though. Those guys all have like 500 games (or just under), a cpl of them 1000 games. And they aren’t just 4th line guys. They’re playing big roles right along side the top young players. So I don’t see ‘veteran help for young guys’ as a reason to get a guy like Braun. Even Rielly is considered a young D but he has almost 400 NHL games already and Zaitsev was a 7 year pro overseas before coming over.

But for sure I don’t see why sharks do it either.


 

 

08 Aug 2018 02:13:58
What do you guys think of

Kapanen+3rd

Justin Braun

Is that to much.

DJP117

 

 

07 Aug 2018 02:48:57
What do you think. Leafs 1st rounder going to be low IMO.

Most low firsts similar to high 2nds.

Gardiner+1st 2019

Faulk

Toronto gains an extra year of conteol on faulk that they wouldn't have on Gardiner. after this season Gardiner is going to be asking for 6years around 6milper. Which Toronto Cannot do. Carolina can. that immediately saves toronto around 1.2 mil off the top on next years cap where mattews . marners . and nylanders contracts are all active.

They can then Pair Faulk with Reilly on the. top pairing finally take Hainey get him qith carrick lr zaitsev on the 2nd or 3rd pair.

thoughts?

DJP117

1.) 07 Aug 2018 05:16:54
All depends how leafs view Dermotts readiness for a bigger role. Right now Rielly and Gards on the left and only zaitsev as a natural RHD in the top 4. So this shifts that problem form R to L. If dermott steps up to take Gardiners spot which is possible, then it helps. But to be honest, Faulk isn’t the guy we need. He’s an upgrade on the RS, but I’d rather a really solid 2 way or just defensive guy to be Riellys long time partner. I think Rielly is good enough and smart enough that they could reign him into be the more stable guy beside Faulk as the rusher, but I think it’s better to leave Rielly doing what he’s become comfortable with and find him that Marc Methot type guy.


2.) 07 Aug 2018 05:23:48
Also I don’t think the pick needs to be a 1st to make up the difference but all depends how much they value the year of control. Gardiner might not interest Carolina withe their D already good enough to make Faulk expendable and if I were trading a top 4 d with a great cap hit plus a first, I’d want more than a top 4 D with a slightly higher cap hit back.


3.) 07 Aug 2018 10:36:54
Have you looked at Gardiners career stats compared to Faulks? Gardiners stats are much bwtter. No way they give extra.


4.) 07 Aug 2018 13:22:56
I think that's slightly misleading. Gardiner didn't turn a corner to score a round Faulks career average in points until about 2 years ago when the leafa forward corps really took off. And his points are assost driven. Faulk on the other hand is a goal scorer who had a down year this year, which was only 6 points lower than his career norm and would have tied Gardiner career high pre Mathews and Marner. Gardiner doesn't have better career numbers, Gardiner has better numbers since he got to work with Mathews Marner Nylander and Marleau and Faulks top forward was Skinner? And no real other offensive threat to help compliment him. Gardiner likely better on D, although ill be honest i'm not sure by how much or how to quantify it reliably. Faulk has extra year of control, right handed, and probably puts up better numbers than Gardiner if playing with the same level of offensive talent around him. that's why i personally would give Faulk more value than Gardiner, not sure how much more though. Regardless Carolina will he looking for forwards in a Faulk deal.


5.) 07 Aug 2018 14:10:50
Or is it because he is a leaf jbs? I could argue that throughout there careers Faulk has played on a better all round team. The leafs even though being good offensively are still wrak defensively. Gardiner is minus 10 in his career. Faulk is minus 109.


6.) 07 Aug 2018 14:42:37
@jbs. Fair enough. I didn’t say Gardiner is better. Said Faulk isn’t the right fit. Also o don’t believe the difference between them either way (whoever you feel is better) is a 1st rounder. That’s all.


7.) 07 Aug 2018 16:40:42
Faulk to Toronto just isn’t a good idea no Matter how you spin it. We need the exact opposite type of player.


8.) 08 Aug 2018 00:45:53
Look Cherry, I take offense to your comment. I am not a Leaf hater, I am just looking at facts. I have stated before how I think the Leafs D is better than people give credit, and I gthink a big part of that is people discounting Gardiner. Carolina has not been a better offensive team than Toronto since Gardiner came into the league. They were above Toronto in goals scored once, and it was by 4 goals. Faulk, however, has been above Gardiner in goals and points every year until the Leafs hit it big with Mathews and Marner, two players the likes of which Faulk has never been able to play with. +/ - is a team stat, when your team can't score you will look bad. When your goalie puts up 7 straight below average save % seasons, your +/ - will look bad no matter what you do defensively. I am not saying Faulk is a great defensive player, but his minus numbers are similar to Gardiners before Mathews Marner and Freddie came along as well. I don't disagree with people saying Leafs need a more defensive minded D, but Faulk isn't some scrub who can't hold Gardiners jock strap, and saying an extra cheap season, of a more offensively talented, RHD is more valuable really is not some big crazy hot take. I look stuff up before I post comparing players, I like to speak from an informed opinion, and try to look at more than just what's on paper as well. But I do not discredit a player based on the jersey they wear.


9.) 08 Aug 2018 20:40:29
My apologies jbs, just used to people overrating and underating other players strictly based on the jersey they wear. I do still disagree with you rating Faulk higher but I guess that is personal opinion. If you look at Pesce and Slavins stats they are plus players while Faulk is far into the negative so I think that negates the argument of the Carolina goalie being bad. I guess we have to agree to disagree. don't get me wrong though, neither will win any defensive awards.

Sorry if I offended you.


10.) 08 Aug 2018 23:26:21
I agree with you though doncherry. The only way that a guy with the same team around him should have that far worse +/ - is when he has to play against the top lines all the time and it’s obviously a lot tougher. But at home Bill Peters puts Slavin/ pesce out against top lines whenever he can because he has last change. Most of the time that Faulk faces top lines would be on the road and it’s because the home teams coach has identified he wants his top line against Faulk instead of Slavin/ pesce. I don’t dislike Faulk, he’s good at what he does and would be a great add to quite a few teams. But Toronto isn’t one of them.


11.) 09 Aug 2018 03:56:03
I overreacted so i apologize for that i just try hard to look at things from an unbiased stand point and have a ton of respect for how the Leafs have turned things around so quick. I won't argue Faulk is a better player than Gardiner because i don't think that's true, its just the other factors i stated above that i believe give him more trade value. I don't think anyone would argue slavin and pesce are top pair players and they were only +1 last year, which i feel proves my point on +/ -. Faulk isn't a great D player just likely not as abysmal as given credit.


 

 

07 Aug 2018 02:39:53
Its No Secret Toronto needs to Upgrade their Defence.

They should be doing this by any means Neccisary. And by not moving Mattews,Marner, or nylander .

Toronto IS going to be finishing high in the standings i'm decently confident on that. if there was ever a year to go for it this is it.
Trade that first round pick . Package it with Gardiner And Solidify the blueline.

Toronto Trades:
Jake Gardiner
1st Round Pick

Carolina Trades
Justin Faulk

It would be a +800k added to torontos cap . They also get a HUGE extra year of control out of faulk at a cheap 4.8M they woukdnt have with gardiner. On gardiners new deal he's going to want in the vacinity of 6M per on a 5-6 year minimum deal. which the leafs just can't do.

I think then taking Hainsey off the top pairing . and Pairing Faulk with Reilly, then moving Hainsey down with Carrick or Zaitsev. on the second or third pairing. I think that would really help not only solify their roster but help long term as well.

DJP117

1.) 07 Aug 2018 06:43:12
Necessary*.


2.) 07 Aug 2018 22:31:21
Carolina needs wingers they are not just going to gift Toronto a better defenseman for a late 1st and Gardiner, try trading Nylander or marner for a stud dman.


 

 

 

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07 Aug 2018 02:07:51
Everyone needs to get off the Karlson getting traded band wagon. Heres my thoughts. Erik Karlsson is an expiring contract #1after this coming season. Ottawa obviously wants to hit a home run of him as they HAVE to to not suck for the next 10 years. No team is currently willing to give up IMO what OTTAWA wants for Karlson which will BE MINIMUM
A First rd pick, 2nd Round . blue chip prospect on a entry level. +A decent roster with some salary player For Karlson+Boby Ryan

or 2 firsts a 2nd, Mid level prospect And a decent roster player.

bottom line lots of teams are thinking ottawa wants way to much for a player just coming off ankle injury ,drama in the locker room. On an expiring contract.

If i'm a outsider GM heres my thoughts. They just moved hoffman so they're not super mptivated to move him just yet. Wait until the trade deadline. They should become more desperate in fear of losing him for nothing. pruce will drop ALOT. You also get to see if he can stay healthy for the first bit of the season before you aquire him for the playoff. My thinking is he's just not a 28 minute guy. he needs to be no more then 20 minutes and I beleive his durability would sky rocket.

So in closing Karllsonn will NOT be traded atleast until the trade deadline mid season.

DJP117

1.) 07 Aug 2018 16:51:09
Karlsson playing no more then 20 minuets? You think Rasmus Ristolianen should play 27 and Ron Hanisey should play more then Karlsson? That’s 1 injury he’s still great and a top 3 dman in the nhl.


2.) 07 Aug 2018 18:03:55
Makes some valid points but the minutes thing is laughable. Why pay the price for a superstar like Karlsson to use him like a 2nd pair guy?! The whole point of getting these workhorse guys is to be able to throw them over the boards for a regular shift against top lines, plus use him on the power play and a lot of times on the PK. That’s what separates legit #1 Dmen from just good ones that can play on a top pair. No way you can do all that while having him play 1/ 3 of the game or less.


3.) 08 Aug 2018 02:56:34
Might be some merit to playing him less. Byfuglien isn't in the same class as karlsson but he did more with less ice time. But that was 30 minutes to 25 or something. You can't have karlsson sitting for 2/ 3 of the game.


 

 

 

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07 Aug 2018 02:54:12
There is such thing as a salary cap. Toronto can't just keep adding salary with term and expect to not create. log jam. They would have to give up Gardiner in any trade involving Faulk. Carolina would much prefer nylander. then toronto would have to sweeten the pot then add a 1st .

Making it
Gardiner and a 1st

For Faulk

toronto does add 800k this season but that's ok. its next season they're worried about. By not having to resign gardiner they actually save money next year .

This really makes to much sense not 5o have been atleast considered by toronto.

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