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10 Feb 2015 06:27:28
Thinking here :

If the leafs can move a big contract before dealing Franson, then Franson stays and signs a long term deal
5 year 5.4-5.7 per He has got to be near the same salary range as Marc Staal --- same age,
Franson being a highly coveted righty is a bonus over Staal and Franson has been healthier than Staal so why not demand and get that kinda money .

Think if they trade away Franson who young enough to lead through a rebuild they will regret it and be looking for Franson type of D man in years to come

Foucis on Bad Contracts-- Phanuef, Robidas, Garnider all before Franson Unload one or two of those and BAM there is the $$$ for Franson

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1.) If I remember correctly wasn't it just last year franson was terrible? To me it feels like he's playing for a contract and once he signs that big money deal he could regress a fair bit. Not sure he's the kind of player I'd be looking to build around. Also I don't see anyone taking on Robidas and the other two you'll have to wait to the summer to deal at which point I think franson will be set on free agency


2.) I think he is a defender that a playoff team needs. The Leafs need to rebuild, the return for him would be quite good, it could speed up the rebuilding process. Only reason why I'd trade him


3.) Phaneuf if moved would most likely be an offseason event. for what ever reason I believe they will hang on to gardiner. Robidas isn't really a blue chip but possibly a toss in on a trade packadge.


4.) 10 Feb 2015 17:17:32
@jbs that's what i'm thinkign too, why I endorse tradiig him rathier than trying to resign him. also, he's rather slow now at age 27, and its had to believe he'll be faster once he gets into his 30's, so what i'm getting at is that a long term deal with him has the makings of a horrible deal for whoever he signs it with.


 

 

07 Feb 2015 01:25:15
And so it begins

Looks like Nonis will be the guy at the helm for the leafs moving forward.

Ashton and Broll to Tampa for a 7th round pick.

New thing I did not know as provided by Mike Johnson (SNO)-- only allowed to have 50 players on your overall team roster. regardless of where they play.
Leafs were at 50 . Trade 2 away now their at 48 and so it begins not a big deal to start but a domino effect for sure

Wish they would have gotten rid of Nonis and maybe they still will. doubtful but who knows

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26 Jan 2015 20:34:14
If the Leafs were talking a Phaneuf for Richards trade

Then grab him off waivers ten Trade Phaneuf wherever and ask for youth or picks . For a contender with cap space Phanuef will be a good fit and a contending team not having to give any roster players ma be a great fit all around

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1.) Most contenders don't have any cap space


2.) I could see this happening.
Except Toronto will need to get something more back because Richards is having a bad year.


3.) In any Trade involving Phaneuf the lead will be taking back a bigger contract. If they really wanted him, They would find a way to make it work.


4.) @BizzyBee, I agree with your comment about grabbing Richards. I hope Murray does just that. I was considering trading for him and actually posted a trade that was rejected by most commentators, but for free! With Nolan's coaching capabilities, I doubt his presence will have much of an impact on the team's performance. If the team does end the loosing streak, we could all congratulate Murray on the great pick up. LMFAO!


5.) Leafs said they aren't going to claim him off waivers


6.) 27 Jan 2015 00:32:15
the leafs were not talking a phaneuf for richards trade, if they actually were it'd be done, not richards on waivers.


7.) Waived mike richards


8.) Leafs should trade Phaneuf to Flyers for Lecavalier & Coburn


 

 

20 Jan 2015 19:19:45
Phanuef to Edmonton (local boy coming home)

ANything

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1.) Mark fayne and a 3rd?


2.) Hmmm how bout bernier and phaneuf and a 3rd for fayne scrivens and a bad contract plus yo first I say this because I think it helps both teams and I really don't think bernier will resign with us at seasons end


3.) Bernier will resign but it will cost big time. 5 year 6 plus mil


 

 

20 Jan 2015 19:07:42
O'Reilly is a gamble anywhere he goes if he's not willing to sign for an extension.

Buffalo is the front runner dangling Tyler Myers
It fills the need for Colorado in a stud defender in Myers

But with out the contract extension Buffalo could get burned

Leafs can not match that type of player but the price may be to high for Buffalo and then the leafs have a chance

Franson for O Reilly

Not a Myers but can fill the void that is needed in Colorado but again signing Franson must be had .

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1.) 20 Jan 2015 19:43:27
Franson for ROR? Straight up? Hope this is a troll post.


2.) 20 Jan 2015 21:23:18
If O'Reilly is considered a gamble, what does that make Franson?


3.) Cody franson is currently sitting 17th in nhl dman scoring. also consider the leafs scoring drought the last 5 games.

franson is out-scroing these current "star" nhl dmen

pietrangelo
kronwal
suter
keith
seabrook
phaneuf
green
markov

and other such high calibre/considered to be future stars

OEL
Leddy
fowler
faulk
krug
wideman
hamilton


just saying.


4.) Love when u put phaneuf in the same category as keith , suter and petro


5.) Franson for O Reilly is a good starting point and is not that far off from fair. Of course some adjustments need to be made but I could see it happening. Franson and O'Reilly play the same PK minutes, both are at the top on their team for min/gm at their position, ytd each scored 28 and 25 pts respectively, +/- almost equal (-5, -6). Maybe Sakic does not want to pay ROR $6MM and decides to move him. Lots of reasons for trades to be made.


6.) I guess you missed the "quotes" around star meaning whatever you want it too.

dion has had multiple seasons of solid production, has played in all star games, is paid lots of money. = "star"

is he close to as good as most of those other guys? no, but this wasnt about dion, its about franson.


7.) 21 Jan 2015 08:18:39
All star game is a joke.


8.) 21 Jan 2015 18:23:03
Matt, its not all about points.
He might have more points than Doughty, but Doughty is a million times better, as is his trade value.


9.) Ok so Franson for Suter and 1st sounds good.


 

 

 

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11 Feb 2015 03:58:43
Well the leafs have not quite fallen to 26th place like I predicted at this point . Their 25th 1 point out.

26-27-28 place teams all have games in hand
ahead of 26-27-28 teams by 1 point 3 point and 5 points.

Predict by the end of next week they will be in 27th closing in on 28th.

Unlikely to catch Edmonton in 29th but 11 points with 27 games or so left and with leafs maybe getting 3 points every 12 games haha and if edmonton in the same clip averages 11 points it is very doable.
29th is achievable guys come on you can do it.

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1.) Still won't get mcdavid too bad Toronto!


2.) 11 Feb 2015 07:58:37
I think they will.
They will win the lottery. Pretty sure.
The league needs to revive the market.


3.) Drais, I'm pretty sure if the league interferes McDavid is going to Arizona. Bettman cares about money and that's about it and toronto is going to sell out and bring in massive revenue whether they are competing for the cup or first overall pick. McDavid is one of the few things that might stir up enough interest in Arizona to justify keeping the team there, which is something bettman is determined to do


4.) 11 Feb 2015 15:42:46
Good point! You're right. But if the Yotes somehow don't work out, I'm sure the Leafs will.
I'm confused right now, does the NHL still only determine the #1 overall pick via lottery? Or did they change it to picks #1-3, as it is in the NBA?


5.) The league already interfered when the lowered the chances of the worst team getting the 1st overall pick.

Drais, I think picks 1-3 can be reordered based on the lottery, but a team can only drop 2 spots.


6.) 12 Feb 2015 08:18:03
Ok thanks Adam.
But like that, they could probably theoretically ship one of MacDavid/Eichel to TOR and the other to ARI, lol


 

 

01 Feb 2015 05:59:31
Look all u arm chair gms Leafs are in 24th place of a 30 team league.
2 teams by the end of the week may pass them putting them in 26th
Not out of the realm of possibility is Carolina and Phoenix both at 40 points passing the leafs in the near future putting the leafs in 28th.
Unlikely Edmonton or Buffalo can be caught for McDavid
but to be in the lottery and 11.5% chance is pretty good
to get even Eichel.

So trade away anyone and everyone other than
Bernier, Komarov, Reilly , Polak, JVR.

Get back youth or picks and FIRE Nonis

COMPLETE REBUILD""""""" If there's a pending ufa and they don't likely resign before March 2 trade em get something now or risk losing them for nothing.

Shanahan this is your free ticket to implement your legacy on this franchise NOW not next year not int he summer but NOW before March 2 way before trade any of these players and start tanking

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1.) Hold onto Kadri as well, he has impressed me with his 2 way game
Move Franson for a 1st, mid level prospect, and a conditional 2nd based on playoff success (similar to Kaberle trade) as well as Santorelli for a 2nd and Winnik for a 3rd and Lupul for BOA

At draft if picking 1- 3 take BPA, 4 - 6 which ever one of Marner, Crouse or Strome will contribute the most to your future (can't go wrong with any of these guys)

Trade Kessel but only for a similar return to what Nash got (top 6 forward, top 9 forward with potential, top prospect and a 1st) Trade Bozak but only if you are getting a good offer for him

Retain 1 - 1.5 mil on Phaneufs contract and move him for BOA, see if you can find a trade partner for Gardiner willing to do a similar trade to the JVR Schenn one, if not then trade him for picks and prospects or hold onto him

Trade Reimer for BOA and try to find anywhere to dump Clarkson

In free agency avoid the long term deals and sign players that have leadership qualities but can actually play but leave room for some of the younger players to play

Done! Theirs my dream Leafs off-season. Highly unlikely to happen but one can dream


2.) Well Now we can see leaf desparation! Still won't make the playoff in the next ten year!


3.) 02 Feb 2015 03:48:47
lol where is the leafs desperation montrealfinest? I want this team to stay together, they need to lose the rest of this year and this group is exceptional at that aspect of the game.


 

 

15 Jan 2015 21:40:38
With the leafs in a free fall why doesn't the new coach think outside the box a bit,, What does he think he will last beyond this year. Foolish thinking,

Holzer is a better Defensive defense man than Gardiner. But Gardiner has some great skating ability. Try him up on the wing cause defensively he is only a liability

BizzyBee

1.) No. Moving Gardiner to the wing was a bad idea when it was first brought up, and it's a bad idea now.


 

 

15 Jan 2015 17:16:21
In Order if I were Brendan Shanahan I would do the following

1, FIRE NONIS,,,,, he's responsible for the mess. He was the assistant to Burke when they handed out some pretty dumb contracts. And is solely responsible for some of the other really dumb contracts.

2. Trade in this order ( as you can its by the value of the contract of wasted dollars vs the skill set of a player.

1. Kessel (8M thru 2021-22
2. Phaneuf (7M thru 2021)
3. Clarkson (5.25M thru 2020)
4. Gardiner (4.05M thru 2019)
5. Lupul (5.25M thru 2018)
6. Robidas ( 3M thru 2017) Considering he's 38 he will be 41 at the end of that contract and you can already see he is long removed from his prime.

7. SIGN UFA's Holzer, Franson, Santorelli, Winnik,
or trade them before the deadline as They will all walk as this circus act known as Toronto Maple Leafs will prove not worth their troubles.

8. Get Bernier and Kadri Signed as RFA's

This needs to be done before the draft (Well at least up to #7) Its a start. CLEAN HOUSE. and hope that they may get some decent youth in return.
I still prefer to call it a Salary Dump. CLEAR up some much needed Cap space.

BizzyBee

1.) 15 Jan 2015 18:40:32
1. they aren't trading kessel, if they do the retrn has to be huge, he is what he is, and he's damn good at what he does.

2. phaneuf can go, but who is going to play in his spot? they'd need to get a replacement

3. literally no ons is taking clarkson

4. gardiner has been decent under harachek, small sample size, but the improvement has been noticeable. he's changed my position back to cautios optimism regarding what gardiner can be.

5. lupul will be traded, I agree on that but the return will be miniscule

6. tell me who would want robidas cause I can't think of anyone. liely buyout candidate.


2.) One thing I do not understand is the buyout, Can u explain please does every team get 2 buyouts every year?
How does the Buyout system work?


3.) You will Notice I suggested leafs trade for whatever they can get they are not in a position of strength,,,, Its to create afresh start as much as possible to rid the evil contacts put forth by Nonis and his buddy Burke

Also reading up on buy outs from what I can gather there will be no buyouts in 2014-2015 But I could be wrong


4.) 16 Jan 2015 05:00:42
theres no more "free" buyouts, in the sense that they don't count towards the cap. any team can buyout as many players as they want, but after the last cba they all got 2 buyouts each that wouldn't count towards the cap. now if anyone were to buyout someone the hit towards the cap is 2//3rds of the salary over twice the remainin lenght of the contract. i'm not exactly sure on that, but I know i'm close, so if they were to buyout robidas after this year, the cap hit would be approximately 1.85 mil for the next 4 years, which is horrible buy you have to weight it againt the negative of him taking up a spot on the roster and an extra 1.2 mil in cap taken up.


5.) 16 Jan 2015 05:02:40
and on your other point, trading phaneuf, kessel and gardiner for simply whaever you can get is not a good idea. I understand they aren't dealing from a position of strenght, but if a deal doenst make sense likely more harm is done just to make a deal for the sake of making one.


 

 

08 Jan 2015 05:31:05
1. Fire Nonis. Shanahan takes over as GM



2. Any Toronto Maple Leaf OR Toronto Marlie

To Anyone . For almost anything

Provided team taking so called Toronto player takes on all Salary.

Only way to fix this train wreck.

Focus on Gardiner, Reimer, Phanuef, Clarkson, Lupul, and of course Kessel.

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Changing way to much of a winning formula in Tampa for a bunch of losers
in leaf land

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I am in no way shape or form that Toronto be in any position to retain salary.
Read any of my previous posts to see how hard fast opposed I think the leafs should be in retaining salary but its hard to ignore the Clarkson signing retaining some is a way better option than buyout. Hate to say it but may be the only option

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Kessel would never go back to Beantown. and why suggest 5% in salaty that's 400,000 a year that's nothing sure as heck not going to be a deal breaker

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Can not see how anyone can trade a player who had the potential to be a franchise player. When your being mentioned in the same breath as a Crosby like player as McDavid has, its a tough sell for Ednonton to trade for that type of impact player
But then again Edmonton has done nothing but mismanage all their young 1st round picks so maybe McDavid pulls a Lindros and refuses to go. wouldn't that be interesting

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Kane is a problem don't know the specifics but his own team mates won't even defend his sitting out

He has 22 points declining stats in recent years not worth the aggravation. The leafs have enough players who put themselves 1st
Need to rid themselves of such players not take on more . AND AND the bad contract no way Kane is worth that kind of money ala Kessel, Phaneuf, Lupul, Gardiner, and on and on

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Fucale I think is headed down the road of a certain other world junior goalie
Anyone remember Justin Pogge
Fucale was good but he did let in a crap load against russia and until then wasnt really tested and did have a great defence in front of him.
I don't see him being an impact goalie like a Price

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Cant see Mtl and Was doing any business they may end playing each other in the playoffs.

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Typical leafs fan Way over valuing the worth of its players

Franson is only going to get u a 2nd rounder.
Winnik a 3rd or 4th
Santorelli same 3rd or 4th

Holzer u may be right 4th to 6th all he is on any contending team is depth though like 7th or 8th in case anyteam loses a d-man in the playoffs

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You will Notice I suggested leafs trade for whatever they can get they are not in a position of strength,,,, Its to create afresh start as much as possible to rid the evil contacts put forth by Nonis and his buddy Burke

Also reading up on buy outs from what I can gather there will be no buyouts in 2014-2015 But I could be wrong

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One thing I do not understand is the buyout, Can u explain please does every team get 2 buyouts every year?
How does the Buyout system work?

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