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26 Apr 2016 07:51:10
MTL
Subban (retained 20%=7.2 mill)
EDM
Eberle (retained 15%=5.1 mill)
Yakupov (2.5mill)
Reinhart (1mill)
32 OVA pick (2nd rd)
1.) 26 Apr 2016 08:14:51
This is definitely one of the better Subban to Edm trades, I know there are speculations that Bergevin will trade him if it's the right return with needs coming back, Montreal is a pretty decent offensive team, but it doesn't get you deep into the playoffs unless you have more than 3 goals a game consistently, which they weren't, they were getting less, Reinhart seems to be the only liability to this as he's only a solid top 6 d-man at the momentand they're expecting someone to fill his role and not many d-men in the free agency can fix Subbans whole role if he leaves. But other than that, the value seems close to fair, love how you played with the salaries and Ebs, Yak could have a chance to excel in the much less competitive East.
2.) 26 Apr 2016 12:13:51
The only thing of real value coming back from that trade for Subban is Eberle. Bergevin stated that he isn't shopping him so I doubt they would accept a package like this. Easy no for Montreal.
3.) 26 Apr 2016 14:48:55
Change Reinhart to sekera and edm also take bake David desharnais sorry but spelling.
4.) 26 Apr 2016 14:59:44
That's also a lot of years of retaining Subban's salary. Paying him to be as *cringe* good as he has in the past, for another team- doesn't really make sense. (It's like Toronto paying Kessel to score 26 goals this year. )
5.) 26 Apr 2016 16:41:30
Subban for Hall and Edmonton's first. That should be the base of the trade. Still think Montreal looses that trade. I just don't think you can replace what Subban brings to blue line.
6.) 26 Apr 2016 16:42:01
Switch Reinhart for nurse.
7.) 26 Apr 2016 18:41:25
Not enough for subban.
8.) 26 Apr 2016 20:43:26
BenderLife I think that's a really fair trade to do.
I've seen in other trade forums people are suggesting
Hall + 1st round pick + Eberle + Yak for just Subban.
or even this crazy
Hall + 1st round pick + Klefbom + Eberle and throwing in Yak for Subban and eller
That's just a crazy over payment as well over value of Subban. He's a great dman but he's not that great. Oilers can find better ways to get what they need without selling the house for 1 player.
9.) 26 Apr 2016 22:51:03
Pk is not worth hall and possibly the first or second overall. More like
Pk for hall and klefborn.
10.) 27 Apr 2016 00:44:42
Edmonton wants a d-man. Everyone knows they want a d-man. D-men are at a premium. Use the Hamilton trade as a templat, then add to that. Nobody is going to help Edmonton out of their mess. If you want a top d-man get ready to pay. You may not like it but that is how it will be.
11.) 27 Apr 2016 02:05:21
What are you talking about, Vancity? Every team has needs. All GMs look to other teams to get something they need and try to pay for it with what they can give up. They're not petty high school girls, they're professionals. If a deal is there to be made, it's not going to be one-sided just because edmonton needs a dman. Chiarelli isn't going to say yes to whatever is demanded just because he needs a dman. Use your head.
12.) 27 Apr 2016 04:13:23
That's exactly my point Chirp!
13.) 27 Apr 2016 14:03:05
Yes but a 2nd line right winger and a 2 round pick, plus a bunch of crap will not get you an all-star defenseman. Edmonton fans if all your players are so good, why does your team suck. It's like Toronto fans trading Lupul for anything. Toronto you are stuck with Lupul and might be able to buy him out next summer. Edmonton will have to sell low on it's players till they prove they can win.
Edmonton will say we had injuries. St. Louis had way more injuries and they still managed 107 pts. Its been 10 years into your rebuild and you managed 2nd last. Worse than last year. I just don't see the value in Edmonton players.
14.) 27 Apr 2016 20:43:31
Yeah your right the Oilers suck. None of there players have any value. Nice logic on that one.
16 Mar 2016 02:34:26
NYI: Hamonic
2016 1st rounder
EDM: Nugent Hopkins
2016 3rd (Pit or FLA)
2015 5th
Thoughts?
I feel like this deal could be done if the Oilers are in a scenario with a top 3 pick (AGAIN) and they don't trade down and want to pick a player like RW Laine. After they achieve this deal they could draft a stud defenseman like Mcavoy or Fabbro (Although a realistic deal packaging the late NYI first rounder for Shattenkirk or Vatanen seems like the ideal thing PC would do) and trade chips like Eberle or Yakupov, Pouliot, Korpikoski, Fayne, Reinhart could be avaliable for packaging or sent out for respective valuable assets or whatever they could get.
1.) 16 Mar 2016 05:29:19
Islanders are only trading hamonic for a same level dman that's it if they were willing to take something else it would have happened already. Only way oilers get him is if it's a three team trade or if they are willing to trade klefbom or nurse.
2.) 16 Mar 2016 05:30:55
Sorry bender in no world would nyi pay a 1st rnd pick and hamonic for rnh and a few low picks. Nyi gm has repeatedly said he wants a dman of same or greater value.
3.) 16 Mar 2016 06:29:58
I know, you're right and I know there is more components needed to make this deal happen, but I just saw this on a hockey thread and expressed my opinion towards it. But do you honestly think any team, in western Canada or even north west Canada, want Hamonic enough to give them their 2nd/ 3rd best d-man for NYI 2nd/ 3rd best d-man? (Depending on value) it will never be done, partly because NYI didn't want to give up Hamonic for someone who can't do his job and threaten playoffs hopes, and Garth Snow saw that there were no buyers giving up that kind of player. That's why I think Hamonic is more expendable during the offseason, as NYI could acquire a defensemen from Free agency or through trades, even if he's traded for a forward, Eberle for Hamonic speculations we're heating up, but didn't happen because it was too risky on trade deadline, but made sense for the offseason, especially with pending NYI free agent forwards asking for substantial raises.
4.) 16 Mar 2016 06:39:08
north west America**
and sorry about the paragraphs.
5.) 16 Mar 2016 07:19:08
Lmfao who ever disagreed with Colt no words can explain my opinion of you every thing he just said about hamonic is right on the money.
6.) 16 Mar 2016 09:28:24
You guys do realize that yes the Islanders wanted a D man of as close to equal value as Hamonic to replace him because it would have been a deal done in season when it is a lot harder to get D men through another trade like that, and that in the off season and at the draft and through free agency its a lot easier. They %100 COULD in fact trade Hamonic for a top 6 FORWARD this off season. They will have a big hole in the top 6 if Okposo doesn't return, and they could find a replacement for Hamonic one of the other ways mentioned above. If you don't think that is remotely possible, you're clueless.
7.) 16 Mar 2016 11:34:34
Agree with yep.
Isles want, and have wanted, a dman of equal value for Hamonic.
Doesn't mean they won't bend. Strome was thought to be the #2 of the future but has been on the wing a good portion of this season. Not sure Isles see him as their #2 anymore even if he remains a player of value. RNH would be a definite upgrade in that department. I don't see it out of the realm of possibility that the Isles do a Hamonic/ RNH trade with additional pieces going both ways in the off season.
8.) 16 Mar 2016 14:18:37
Loool, look at the 7 people who disagreed with Colt, I'm not the only one Sens.
9.) 16 Mar 2016 15:44:01
Hamonic and a 1st for hops that's a pretty big over payment plus their contracts have a big difference between them hamonic has a great contract at 4 million and hops has 6 they have 5 in cap space left so if it goes though they have 3 to resign Okposo strome and cizikas and sign a new free agent lol good luck.
10.) 16 Mar 2016 15:46:15
Bender there's are a lot of delusional oiler fans that's why.
11.) 16 Mar 2016 15:58:43
I'm glad I'm not the only one here who thinks oil fans are generally delusional.
12.) 16 Mar 2016 16:36:23
But you're still a delusional Blues fan, so your comment is invalid and hypocritical and Sens. Just Why.? I did explain that there would need to be components added, so why do you keep going back to the original trade that I just randomly found from a hockey thread, obviously there's flaws, you don't need to repetitively explain the details, we already know, we just disagree with your views on Hamonic not being able to be traded for a top 6 forward this offseason, and also. Okposo will test free agency if he doesn't get the money he wants, which would likely be more than Nuge, Ebs or even Halls contract (6 mill), so.
13.) 16 Mar 2016 18:14:44
I'm going back to the original trade cause that's what you proposed and we're talking about that trade. Take a look at my comments where did I repeat myself? I just bought up different things why that trade won't happen.
14.) 16 Mar 2016 21:48:53
Do I have to explain again? well if that's how you will get it then okay, so be it. So I did explain that I saw this trade off a thread and expressed my opinion, also saying that yes, there's other components needed to make any trade like this happen, I think many people think that too, even the people agreeing with the trade, obviously. So the fact that you're repeating the fact that it is in a realm of inpossibilty and the fact that you keep repeating that it's a bad trade and would never work is pushing it, you got your point in, so stop. you thought you put up a good fight, but ended up being wrong, just like how you were wrong when you thought that Hamonic couldn't be traded for a top 6 forward, which is likely to happen this offseason.
15.) 17 Mar 2016 00:14:11
I'm done with this we'll see what happens in the offseason.
16.) 17 Mar 2016 01:15:05
Come back and say hello if Hamonic gets traded for a top 6 forward :) Just saying, its as equally possible as Hamonic getting traded for another D.
17.) 17 Mar 2016 04:47:25
The only way they should trade for Rnh is if they feel they may not be able to lock up jt.
And do it
Hamonic Grabowski 1st
Rnh and 3rd.
27 Feb 2016 06:43:06
Edmonton:
Anders Nilsson
To
St. Louis:
4th round pick (2016)
1.) 27 Feb 2016 07:20:29
I called it. Like 9 hrs before it happened. Haha.
19 Feb 2016 04:05:04
On a blog about Oilers and Ducks making a potential blockbuster trade and I saw this:
EDM:
Nugent-Hopkins
Yakupov
Fayne
Conditional 5th
ANA
Theodore
Rakell
Vatanen
Thoughts?
The comments about the trade were varied but about 60% of the people thought Edmonton won.
1.) 19 Feb 2016 06:14:19
Ducks don't need Nuge. Value probably isn't too bad though IMO. Nuge being the best piece but Ducks giving up 3 solid guys for 2 solid guys coming back.
2.) 19 Feb 2016 07:12:47
No way Anaheim does that.
Lose Vatanen AND Theodore? No chance.
3.) 19 Feb 2016 13:38:05
agreed, no way they trade both vatenen and theodore.
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21 Mar 2016 02:03:02
Isn't it weird that Patrik Laine, who is likely slotted at 2nd Overall looks an awful lot like Alex Ovechkin? and I'm not even trying to overrate this kid, he shoots from the hashmarks A lot and on power plays, big size at 6'4", sniper, great speed, great hands, powerful shot, physicality, a winger, could shoot by the blue line. Looking at Ovechkins old KHL stats and videos before he was drafted and comparing it to Laine, they're almost identical in my viewpoint, it's funny, this guy could be the real deal.
1.) 21 Mar 2016 07:09:59
He's slated 2nd/ 3rd overall in a jam-packed first round and you needed to look at him to figure he could be the real deal?
2.) 21 Mar 2016 07:27:19
Yes, is there a problem? Obviously he had to be talented to be slated at 2nd overall in most mock drafts and I mean "real deal" as in Ovechkin kind of talent, cause that's what he looks like, not sure if Most 2-3 overall picks turn into a player of that magnitude, some do, I'll admit it, it's 2nd Overall talent, but this guy could be first overall talent if not for Mathews, an Ovechkin status kind of player.
3.) 21 Mar 2016 14:32:27
Wouldn't surprise me if he's actually better than Mathews. I think it's close.
4.) 21 Mar 2016 18:47:17
I've seen Laine with the finnish mens team against Sweden and he was by far the best finnish player on the ice if not the best player overall. I promise you, he is the real deal, i could see this draft go down as the draft in 03!
5.) 21 Mar 2016 19:55:32
Matthews and Laine are literally neck and neck for me. Would honestly come down to positional need if I was picking.
6.) 21 Mar 2016 21:03:22
@Cx could be wrong but aren't they both C? Think Laine might b C/ RW. Not 100% sure tho. Laine really inpresses me every time I watch him play (which is not often) he seems like he gets better every time and he's still so young. Still can't see Laine going over Matthews tho.
20 Feb 2016 04:58:08
If the rumours are true, and PK Subban is avaliable, I don't see the Oilers giving any of their core except for Nugent-Hopkins and. if he we're still considered a "core player" anymore, Nail Yakupov, who could draw interest because his Chemistry with Galchenyuk in Sarnia at his wing. Oilers won't offer Hall, Mcdavid, nor Drasaitl. So Other than these assets, the 2016 1st (top 5 pick) should be in play to for Subban. But if the Oilers do win the lottery, is it fair for A [Subban for Matthews] trade straight up? thoughts?
1.) 20 Feb 2016 05:46:58
Subban isn't available. Believing those rumors is silliness.
2.) 20 Feb 2016 06:04:37
Lets all say it together now, Subban isn't getting traded!
Mathews>Subban anyways.
3.) 20 Feb 2016 15:19:21
Subban is a marketing machine over the years in case someone did not notice he builded his brand. The media played along giving him more air time than any other player more than the CH captain! . You would think he owns the team. Therrien is the coach and a team needs structure and discipline. The rumors are plentiful that his team is feed up but due to media lash back they stay in the shadows.
11 Aug 2016 14:56:18
true^ honestly Colt is so hypocritical to some Oilers fans sometimes, maybe he should shut his trap, before complaining about haters.
29 Jul 2016 05:23:59
I like it, pretty good value for both teams. That top 9 looks deadly, each lines are pretty fast and pretty offensive. realistically though any MIN-EDM trade involving Dumba and Nuge still hurts both teams come expansion time.
17 May 2016 05:53:58
Why would they not trade for one with the 4th Overall pick. That's dumb.
17 May 2016 04:57:10
Honestly, I like this, both team get a need, Winnipeg gets one of the best, proven LW's in the game, a top 4 potential defensemen and a 3rd and Oilers get a need with the second pairing Right d-man Trouba, who they might have to sign to a contract near 5.5 mill and Laine.
28 Apr 2016 07:41:16
I like this trade.
21 Mar 2016 07:27:19
Yes, is there a problem? Obviously he had to be talented to be slated at 2nd overall in most mock drafts and I mean "real deal" as in Ovechkin kind of talent, cause that's what he looks like, not sure if Most 2-3 overall picks turn into a player of that magnitude, some do, I'll admit it, it's 2nd Overall talent, but this guy could be first overall talent if not for Mathews, an Ovechkin status kind of player.