15 Feb 2019 16:05:46
Here's a thought considering the way Dallas management is acting with their stars plus the stars poor performances this year especially benn and Seguin.

Ott : stone, Duchene, dzingle, Ceci, Paul

Dal : Seguin, benn, Klingberg

Dallas with all the ex sens basically becomes sens west lol.


1.) 15 Feb 2019
15 Feb 2019 18:07:07
Bahahahahha.


2.) 15 Feb 2019
15 Feb 2019 20:39:55
So DAL downgrades at every position for. Paul?
lol.


3.) 15 Feb 2019
15 Feb 2019 21:10:26
Omg. This has to be one of the worst proposals I’ve seen on this site yet.


4.) 15 Feb 2019
15 Feb 2019 21:39:46
The package coming from Ottawa of UFA's, top 9 player, bottom 6 D and c+ prospect dosnt even get you 2 of those players together. Seguin and been is too much for that package and so is Klingberg and Been.


5.) 15 Feb 2019
15 Feb 2019 21:44:44
Topshelfslappers what is so funny? Do you want me to add that the Ottawa guys agree to resign? Because that's the only thing that's lopsided about this deal in Ottawa favour?

Duchene and stone are expected to make close to the same as Seguin and benn make now salary wise. And both Ottawa guys are and have been all along better defensively that the 2 Dallas guys and currently better offencively this season as well, don't believe me look it up! Besides that it's been what? 3 - 4 years now that benn and seguin have not bee themselves? How many years does it take for their value to drop when it took Duchene one year according to you all to drop value significantly even though his play got much better?

As for Klingberg he's a great offencive Dman but needs work defencively, clearly an upgrade on Ceci and cap friendly I get that but that's nothing that dzingle and Paul value can't make up for especially seeing as how Klingberg would take on an EK/ SJS like 2nd pairing role in Ottawa as he ain't bumping chabot the way he's been going and demelo being the compliment to that, I rather see him on the 2 pair with Lajoie.

As for Dallas the get a brand new top line that already has a chemistry about them as well as a Dman with past experience playing with Methot in EKs absence and a kid they drafted and were once very high on who could more easily slip in to a role with main team their than in Ottawa as they have an older team with not as many young guys to have to out play to get a spot. Paul could easily slip in bottom 6, Ceci in top 4 and the other 3 most likely top line but could work anywhere in top 6, and with spezza coming off the books this offseason it's more than affordable for Dallas. Maybe Dallas even flips dzingle, and Ceci, and a 1st in 2020 to Edmonton for nuge who's on the block as well, leaving them with plenty top 6 line combo possibilities, and enough cap to go after panarin as well in offseason.

Panarin Duchene radulov
Nushishkin nuge stone

Or vice versa either would be great and they still have hanzel, Dickinson, Daska, coumeau, and Cogliano for bottom 6 of top of my head, plus gives all their you dmen a spot to fight for like lindell, heiskenen, Honka, with Klingberg gone, while Ottawa gets a solid cap friendly 2 pair dman and 2 long term vets to build the young guys around.

Benn Seguin Ryan
Tkechuck white brown
Formenton pageau Batherson
Paajarvi teirney boadker
Smith

And chlapic, balcers, Norris, give em some flexibility to use a forward or few to upgrade the Blueline a bit more and hopefully Move smith, heck teirney value should also be a lot higher now after the season he's had as well.


6.) 16 Feb 2019
16 Feb 2019 00:12:02
Extensions would have to be in place first for Dallas to consider. You never said anything about that. Instead you left it to the reader make that assumption. Pretty tall order expecting all those guys to be signed and traded by deadline. Ceci is terrible. Shouldn’t even be in nhl. Dallas would never take him on. Klingberg is a righty. If anything he would be playing with Chabot, not 2nd line.


7.) 16 Feb 2019
16 Feb 2019 02:35:12
😭😭😭Omg this ain’t a troll is it. ‘Klingberg is surely an upgrade on Ceci’. Nah, you don’t say LMFAO😭😭🤣

The fact you even think that this stuff is close to equal value is hilarious, don’t come at anyone saying anything about how the Ottawa side of this deal is even close to fair. Its legitamately Dallas’ three best players for Ottawa’s second and third best players and a bunch of others that equate to zero in the grand scheme of the trade bud.

Three or four years benn and seguin haven’t been themselves? Huh? Benn won an art ross two years ago bud😭😭🤣 what are you on about man. Seguin and Benn are now app worse than Stone and Duchene unsigned oh give me a break, you can’t be serious when saying this stuff🤣🤣🤣🤣. Ask any man on the street in any part of Canada or the US i'd they know hockey and they'll take Benn and Seguin 10/ 10. You want to know why? Cause Ottawa has no leverage w either UFA, their career stats (Benn/ Seguins) are superior, their contracts are locked in and their advanced stats are just as good. And the Klingberg thing is just a whole mess lmao Klingberg EASILY himself pulls in. That package minus one of Stone or Duchene, loool.

Stop thinking every teams going to get hosed like ottawa did w. karlsson. Dorion made himself a fool and paid the price. No one else is doing that. No ones trading the three faces of a franchise for two UFAs and extras.

This is the equivalenr of me saying hey Kadri, Nylander, Brown, zaitsev and gabriel gagne pull in benn, seguin and klingberg🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 get a grip bud.


8.) 16 Feb 2019
16 Feb 2019 08:45:19
I honestly don't know if Rambo is for real or if he's just pretending to be this super biased Ottawa fan. John Klingberg is not and upgrade to Ceci he's not even on the same planet. he's a top 2 defensemen while Ceci is a bottom pair at best and sometimes not even worthy of being a bottom pair defensemen. A Nathan Beaulieu type guy but Beaulieu is better. Benn and seguin are worth so much more then 2 UFA even if they're signed because those guys are not worth 8 million. Stone and Duchene are good players but at 6.5-7 million each tops. Dzingel has the value of a late first tops while Paul barely has any value. Add Chabot and White and take Dzingel and Paul out and it's closer.


9.) 16 Feb 2019
16 Feb 2019 19:49:49
Ok first off Seguin and benn up till as you say, 2 to 3 years ago were better offencively than stone and Duchene I'm not arguing that, but defensive game was and is most definitely on the side of Duchene and stone no question. As of last year the offencive edge had greatly diminished and this year that offensive edge has most definitely been taken over by stone and Duchene, anyone not ignorant to the sport can clearly see that!

And the fact that they can both be signed even cheaper than the Dallas guys also works in their favour as does the current situation in Dallas putting Seguin and benn against Dallas management with the remarks made about them recently by management. If the Hoffman EK stuff this past year affected their value the way it did why would this be any different?

As for Klingberg, yes he's worth more than Ceci but Ceci whether you or I agree or not still carries value in any trade talks in the league, and that's a cold hard fact, add a top 6 forward in dzingle, who posts 40+ points a season, and has a ton of speed like he does, and a prospect originally drafted by Dallas in the first place and has a good chance at making their lineup now. That definitely makes up the difference between Klingberg and Ceci, that much is very clear!


10.) 16 Feb 2019
16 Feb 2019 21:26:39
As for the person saying Klingberg would be paired with Chabot in Ottawa if this happened, do you follow how the game is played?

Klingberg is an offencive Dman who somewhat struggles defensively, while Chabot is mainly offencive Dman too I'll be it a little better defensively. You don't put 2 of those types together unless on the powerplay. Demelo compliments Chabot just fine, leaving Klingberg on 2nd pair in Ottawa likely with Lajoie!

And boomboom, go smoke some more wacky tobacky bud, your comment is a joke. Stone and Duchene are Ottawa's best 2 forwards and arguably best 2 players currently and top 40 players in the league respectively while Seguin currently barely gets in that status at number 40 while benn is in the worst year of his career since his breakout season and don't even make top 50 right now.

As for Ceci he's bad yes, but still a top 4 Dman and still better than most dmen in the league today. The only ones better are the big names, and elite prospects, of which Dallas does not have 4 or 5 of those even with Klingberg, 2 maybe 3 tops including Klingberg.


11.) 16 Feb 2019
16 Feb 2019 22:20:01
Wow with all these super valuable elite players you would think the Sens wouldn’t be in

*Checks Standings*

Dead last 😂

Ceci is hot garbage, just like this proposal.


12.) 17 Feb 2019
17 Feb 2019 03:17:10
Unsportsmanlike so is 85 percent of the dmen in the league don't kid yourself.

Also, stats don't lie, look it up.

And while Ottawa does have solid players, stone Duchene Chabot Lajoie pageau dzingle teirney demelo tkechuck white and even paajarvi looking good with sens

they also have the handicap of not so great players with bad contracts holding them back like smith Ceci jaros

They also have those like borwieski Ryan boadker who might not hurt the team but don't really help it much either

Add that to the kids they continue to leave in the minors and juniors rather than have them in the main lineup where they should be and can help like balcers Batherson chlapic brown and formenton

And if you don't see my point on the evaluations of stone and Duchene vs that of Seguin an benn plus the situations then you clearly don't understand the game!

In the past if you want offense you go for Dallas guys and if you want defensive forwards you take the Ottawa guys, as of now however, in either category you take the Ottawa guys, especially fully signed.


13.) 17 Feb 2019
17 Feb 2019 10:46:43
Please provide “stats” that show Ceci is better than 85% of the D-Men in the NHL. Go ahead, I’ll wait here.


14.) 17 Feb 2019
17 Feb 2019 17:16:26
He's a top 4 Dman who puts up points and is only out played offensively or defensively by the big names like EK, doughty, Pietrangelo, Jones etc, or has less potential/ outplayed by the elite young defence like dahlin, Chabot, heiskenen, Rielly, etc. Stats are on NHL. com for any further proof.

Now it's your turn unsportsmanlike, please provide any kind of stats you can possibly find stating he's worst than anyon outside those perameters.

How'd you put it? I'm waiting.


15.) 17 Feb 2019
17 Feb 2019 18:17:23
Hey look at all those awesome stats you did not post.

I asked you for stats that show he is better than 85% of the defensemen. Your flawed opinion that he is a top 4 d-man who puts up point is not a stat.

Here's an ACTUAL stat: Cody Ceci has a pts/ 60 of 0.016. That's not even in the top 100 for defensemen in the NHL. Just because Ottawa is a DUMPSTER FIRE with zero defensive depth which forces Ceci to log huge minutes does not mean he is effective in doing so. He is also a huge reason why Ottawa has THE WORST goals against in the league (of the 296 defensemen listed, his minus 19 is the 289th) . Sounds like he's getting outplayed defensively by a few more players than the "big names" there genius.

School's out kiddo.


16.) 21 Feb 2019
21 Feb 2019 15:50:14
First off I said nhl. com for stats proof you're just too lazy to look and I'm not transferring every detail on there for comparison, I'll be here all year if I did that.

2ndly, whatever that first bit you posted about pts/ 60 of 0.016 that's not even a real stat, what exactly is that supposed to be, ppg? If so, what's the 60 of 0.016? You make no sense.

And 3rdly and most importantly, plus minus, can't even be used as a top contributor in this pretext, as Ceci played and still plays on one of the weaker if not the weakest defensive teams in the league. Let's look at that mighty defence depth Ottawa has.

Chabot
Demelo
Ceci
Lajoie
Jaros
Wolanin
borwieski

In the past you can add

EK
Methot
Wideman
Clauson

But the fact is Chabot demelo and Lajoie were never around at the time of EK and Methot so really that depth chart never really changed.

You talk trash about how bad Ottawa's players are but truth be told their forwards are some of the best in the League and usually include at least 3 in top 100 and 2 in top 50, up front they have tons of depth more than most teams, heck they just got rid of 3 big guns and a depth guy last year and still have enough to role 4 solid lines and have a handful of young guys left in system waiting their shot. The defense is the problem in Ottawa outside a couple guys, always has been. Proof? Watch the Chicago game, scoring not an issue. Getting scored on is!

You wanted to be educated. You're welcome!


17.) 21 Feb 2019
21 Feb 2019 20:24:18
Hahaha did you just claim points/ 60 isn't even a real stat? It's points per 60 minutes genius. Shining more light on all the things you don't know about hockey. No wonder you are out to lunch all the time.

And you're right about Ceci playing for one of the weakest defensive teams. You know what contributes to weak defense? Weak defenseman. Like Cody Ceci.

Are you seriously unable to connect the dots here? I honestly think you are trolling because natural selection should have removed somebody this thick from the gene pool by now.