19 Jan 2019 22:30:46
To TOR:
Josh Manson
Max Jones

To ANA:
Andreas Johnsson
Nikita Zaitsev
Jesper Lindgren
Jeremy Bracco
2019 1st Round Pick

TOR gets a big, right-handed defenseman in Manson who excels on the defensive side of the game and can allow Rielly to be a lot more involved with the offense and a young, big power forward in Jones who can get under the opponent's skin and play a role similar to Hyman's in that he can get into the tough battles and grind for the puck in the corners and get it to Matthews. This would also mean that both Matthews and Tavares have this sort of grindy player on their wings instead of entirely skill (which as recently evident has not seemed to be entirely effective for the Leafs.)

ANA gets a young, offensively-talented player in Johnsson when they are in desperate need of goals from somewhere, a fill-in replacement for Manson in Zaitsev, a good defensive prospect in Lindgren (an area in which they do not have a great selection to choose from at the moment), an extremely talented playmaking winger in Bracco and a 1st round pick for this year if they miss out on the playoffs and want to stockpile more prospects.

Thoughts?


1.) 19 Jan 2019
19 Jan 2019 23:16:47
Anaheim gives up two young roster players for Zaitsev an overpaid player who was a signing mistake and 3 players that will have problems cracking the Ducks lineup. Two get those two players off the Ducks the Leafs would have to add a good roster player and much better players from the minors.


2.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 00:00:25
Johnsson > Jones, not by much though.

Rest of the package doesn't get Manson.

If it's Manson we're going after, imo, its going to take Kapanen + Bracco + 1st or something based around Nylander without the inclusion of Jones.

And islandjet, quit the hyperbole. The Ducks just lost 12 straight, Johnsson doesn't have 'problems cracking the Ducks lineup'.


3.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 01:46:29
I’d love Manson but I actually agree with islandjet this time. Kapanen or Nylander would have to be in there and I’m not sure what Anaheim’s cap looks like.


4.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 08:29:03
How is it Johnsson > Jones?
Jones is a 20 year old first round pick enough said.


5.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 14:03:28
Johnssons what, three years older and has 21 points in like 40 games in his rookie season. I even said ‘not by much’. Johnsson’s done something at the NHL level atm, and Jones still has to prove himself there. I get where your coming from with the potential side, but Jones’ junior numbers aren’t all that eye catching that show that he’ll develop into better than what Johnsson’s producing right now.

And I even said, if we want Manson, you take Johnsson and Jones out and add like Kapanen/ Nylander to the package.


6.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 14:38:24
TSS you have to realize how ridiculous that sounds, Jones is considered one of the ducks top prospects, Johnsson is at most a 3rd line guy. Just because he’s in the NHL because he had 3 extra development years to get there doesn’t make him better or more valuable. We don’t live in a world where every player in the NHL is better/ more valuable than every player outside it. Having success helps Johnssons value because he wasn’t a very valuable piece before but I still don’t think he’s as valuable as a 20 year old first round pick who at this point seems to have met his expectations in development.


7.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 16:38:31
Jones is pretty close to 21 and really hasn't shown much to this point I agree the trade isn't great but it's mostly ruined by the inclusion of zaitsev.


8.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 17:29:23
Puljujarvi is a 20 year old 1st round pick and he’s still complete trash at the nhl level. Lucic litterly out produces him. Draft position means nothing.


9.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 18:03:27
I mean, if we're going by draft position, we can look at a guy like Lawson Crouse who was drafted only a year before Max Jones, plays a similar style, and has busted out pretty hard in Arizona, even if they give him playing time.

Jones is a good prospect, don't get me wrong. But really, if we're talking a matter of appx. two years of age, one guys in the NHL playing 2nd Line minutes [Johnsson >>>> guys like Connor Brown who are 3rd liners] and one guy still has to prove his worth, I'd be taking the proven guy. Only time that isn't the case is if the prospect really is top-notch, but really, Jones is basically #50 in the NHL, and his style of player just isn't as popular in todays NHL.

Plus, Jones' AHL production and OHL production really doesn't tout him as much better than Johnsson. His +1 year was 36 in 33 and his +2 year was 24 in 29 - hampered by injuries a lot too. His inaugral AHL season wasn't terrible, 24 in 32 is pretty good, but Johnsson's rookie year was 47 in 75, the next year, PPG [54 in 54]. You can't call one to be a 'top prospect' and the other to be 'a 3rd line guy', when their statistics in the same league at the same age were basically identically. And draft position isn't anything to be crowned over, just because Johnsson's a seventh round pick doesn't mean I'd take Frederik Gauthier over him [both were 2013 picks]. I put Johnsson in the same talent range as Kasperi Kapanen, and tbh, I'd value both higher than Max Jones atm - unless Jones proves at the NHL level he's better, i'm sticking with that.


10.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 18:31:06
Vbb, you're completely wrong and why you hate every player on Edmonton? Draft position means alot, that's why players drafted higher are more likely to make nhl then guys drafted 150th, can find late bloomers late but the chance of a guy being drafted 6th, very slim chance they'll ever play a game in nhl.


11.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 20:41:14
TSS, you’re right in saying we don’t know who’s better until Jones is a NHL regular. But unless the ducks have given up on Jones and I doubt they have because he’s 20, they wouldn’t trade him straight across for Johnsson. His potential is higher.

VB would you be saying that is Puljujarvi was a point per game in the AHL? The Oil management is garbage not Puljujuarvi. I get more and more confindence in him being a good player as the season goes on.


12.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 20:55:55
Atta boy vb.


13.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 20:57:08
He was itching to bring in Puljujarvi oh yes he was.


14.) 20 Jan 2019
20 Jan 2019 23:01:41
Jones = 2× Johnson lol.