11 Dec 2018 00:14:58
Ok let's test this.

Columbus : Jones

Ottawa : dzingle, brown, paul, Ceci, Ottawa's 2020 1st (conditional)

Ottawa gets Chabot a legit partner

Columbus gets a top 6 - 9 NHL forward, A top 4 defence, a high end prospect, a mid range prospect, and a 1st rounder if Ottawa makes it to round 2 of playoffs in 2020 otherwise a 2nd.

1.) 11 Dec 2018
11 Dec 2018 01:00:23
no from ottawa.

2.) 11 Dec 2018
11 Dec 2018 01:50:20
so pauls useless, and ceci would be columbus’ 5th dman (werenski, murray, savard, nuutivara)

brown is a nice piece, but his ceiling is a 2C, more likely a solid, big checking 3C.

dzingel is a 2nd line, 40point winger on Ottawa, probably a 3rd line rental addition for a playoff team, sure maybe could garner a 1st.

the first isn't even guarranteed so that isn't a game breaker. has to be unconditional to even get the ball rolling.

for jones your talking chabot+ tbh, your not getting a future top5 leaguewide dman and a #1 dman right now, locked up long term.

3.) 11 Dec 2018
11 Dec 2018 01:51:16
I don't think CLB is trading Jones anytime soon. Lol. Zero need to trade one of the top young D men in the league for a package. He's too good and important to the team.

4.) 11 Dec 2018
11 Dec 2018 02:01:11
So Ottawa gets a possible future Norris trophy winner for a 26 year old 3rd line winger (top 6 on crap teams), a center prospect that is yet to play a game in the nhl and isn’t getting younger, Paul who is no longer a relevant prospect of a prospect at all, a over paid 5-7th defence and a conditional 1st. GTFOH! You can’t possibly think that Columbus would even consider this! To quote BIlly Madison’s high school principal “What you’ve just said is One of the most insanely idiotic things I’ve ever heard. At nompoint in your ramblng incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points and may God have mercy on our souls”.

5.) 11 Dec 2018
11 Dec 2018 02:21:32
Clb isn't trading jones and if they did they would be looking for a package with more high end talent.

6.) 11 Dec 2018
11 Dec 2018 02:54:58
First of all, not a chance from Columbus.

Second of all Nick Paul was a decent prospect when he was traded for spezza going on 5 years ago. He’s an AHLer now.

7.) 11 Dec 2018
11 Dec 2018 03:02:34
1. Ceci sucks
2. Brown is solid, not a high end prospect
3. Paul is a 4th liner
Big no from CBJ.

8.) 11 Dec 2018
11 Dec 2018 04:14:22
Quality over quantity especially when the quantity really sucks. Execpt brown.

9.) 11 Dec 2018
11 Dec 2018 05:00:41
Ceci is hot garbage, just like your biased posts.

10.) 11 Dec 2018
11 Dec 2018 13:19:29
Ok firstly who exactly is nuutavira? Rofl Ceci literally out ranks him by name alone let alone experience and skill. He's top 4 even in Columbus.

Secondly it doesn't matter what I post here because even clear over payments are never enough according to many of you, I could post Ottawa's best 12 players for Jones and you still expect to add 4 1st round picks on top, somehow according to you guys Ottawa could have the top 3 leading scorers in the league and they'd still be worth no more than a 3rd round pick and a late one at that. You people wouldn't know true value of it was waived in you face.

And thirdly this is for top shelf, think about your comment on dzingle for a second, if Foligno can go from 3rd or 4th line in Ottawa when the most we had at that time was the pizza line to being a 1st line winger in Columbus to this day, and dzingle is a much better player on top line role now on a team with more depth then back then there's no doubt he'll be top 6 there especially with panarin leaving. Who exactly is going to out rank him? Wenberg, and who? Kind of need 5 more to make that comment work.

11.) 11 Dec 2018
11 Dec 2018 14:17:11
Rambo Dzingel scores at the same rate as Killorn so I’ll just leave it at that, that’s not legit top 6 production on a competitive team. You don’t know who Nuttivara is and we’re supposed to take your opinion on his value and skill seriously? Simply put, any trade for Jones will need a high end, wow player coming back and this package doesn’t have it. You can throw 15 players/ picks in a deal like this who may add up to value, but CLB doesn’t pull the trigger without a premium piece coming back.

12.) 11 Dec 2018
11 Dec 2018 15:02:14
Jbs other than wenberg and panarin who won't be there much longer noone else among Columbus forwards out ranks dzingle, Atkinson maybe and the Anderson and Jenner around similar skill set. Foligno just benefits from top line mines which dzingle would do better with.

Nuutavira definitely don't out rank Ceci, not a chance.

Schmoe get real, brown "not a high end prospect" hahaha tell that to any gm in the league they'll think you're a stand up comedian. The guy was slated to go top 5 in his draft year before injuries bumped him down, and his ceiling is 1st line center guaranteed top 6 forward, just needs work on skating ability which is coming along nicely. If that's not a high end prospect then we must be on Mars.

Also dzingle much better than killorn, killorn only looks good from time playing with elite and top end players in Tampa, on a weak team he's a joke, dzingle rarely plays with the better Ottawa guys but rather spearheads a line himself, that speaks for itself.

Paul still a decent prospect that can be a role player in bottom 6 on most team including CBJ.

And the 1st will likely be a 1st as not much leaves Ottawa that they can't replace. Jones a clear upgrade on Ceci and paired with Chabot or Lajoie makes their defense legit instantly, and clearly their offence in fine as is so round 2 shouldn't be too tough unless they hit Tampa in round 1.

13.) 11 Dec 2018
11 Dec 2018 15:06:02
And fyi Jones wouldn't get Chabot straight up let alone adding to Ottawa side. Sure he's better defensively but Chabot got a bigger edge offencivly and he's younger with a bigger ceiling. Was also endorsed by Ek who said he was much better than he was at that age over last 2 years running. Again classic example of under value on sens players.

14.) 11 Dec 2018
11 Dec 2018 17:50:28
You know Killorn plays with Cirelli and Joseph and has never played more than maybe a handful of games with guys like Stamkos and Kucherov right? He plays 3rd line minutes with 3rd line players. Also Just so you know this year Foligno has about 20 seconds a game more ice time Dzingel. Dzingel has 4 more points than Killorn with an extra 2 min a game. Killorn is the same kind of player as Dzingel, 3rd line on a good team second line on a bad team and they’ve put up similar production in their careers. There isn’t a huge difference between them where one is garbage and the other is a top 6 up and comer. As for who is over Dzingel on CLB the answer is Wennberg Panarin Foligno Atkinson Jenner Dubois there’s 6.

15.) 11 Dec 2018
11 Dec 2018 18:33:07
I've seen killorn with Stamkos and kucherov, or Johnson and Palat more often than not which is where he get most his points from, dzingle has better hands, is a better skater, got a better shot, and frankly is a much better player.

Majority of dzingle minutes are with pageau and Pyatt or in this year's case teirney and Ryan and or smith and paajarvi on third line but still keeping up with top lines and getting powerplay time.

You just don't like giving sens players the credit they obviously deserve and would rather talk smack about them because of situations that have nothing to do with their skill and base their value off that garbage instead of the talent they show on ice.

It's been said around the league for years that Ottawa is among a small group of teams with the deepest depth chart among prospects in the league yet somehow a team with garbage in the system has better prospects according to you guys who are somehow worth more?

Chabot, tkechuck, brown, white, Batherson, formenton, chlapic, AHL, Gustafson, balcers, Norris, Bernard-docker, tychonick are all solid high level kids and most if not all of them have dominated their respective leagues before NHL. Chlapic and formenton need to add size and brown needs more speed or they'd be on main roster now.

On to of them there's the group that could still suprise everyone like Hoffman did, or more recently lajoie did, and that's luchuck, gagne, Paul, wolanen, etc.

On top of that 5 of those mentioned have been playing top end minutes for most of this season and not looking out of place.

White 2 among rookies
Tkechuck 3 among rookies
Chabot 1/ 2 among defence
Batherson roughly a point a game
Lajoie 4 rookie defencemen behind only dahlin heiskenen and jomiharjubu or what ever Detroit guy name is

Not a coincidence they are that good as will the other ones I mentioned be.

16.) 11 Dec 2018
11 Dec 2018 18:57:00
Killorn literally hasn’t played a shift with Stamkos/ Kucherov all year. I’ll reiterate again I’m a Tampa fan. I watch the games. Killorn isn't player with superstars. I agree Killorn will get shifts with better players, but Killorn and Dzingel fall in the same bucket even if Dzingel is slightly better. That’s what I’m trying to get you to realize, Dzingel isn’t some huge value asset, he’s a serviceable player but he’s nothing special.

17.) 11 Dec 2018
11 Dec 2018 20:26:00
How is it that everyone on the site disagrees with Rambo, yet we’re the problem?

18.) 11 Dec 2018
11 Dec 2018 20:56:43
It's always a good time when the loudest person in the room is also the most clueless. Save your energy; no matter how many times Rambo embarrasses himself being flat out wrong and out to lunch he won't get it. Just sit back and enjoy the laughs.

19.) 11 Dec 2018
11 Dec 2018 21:16:33
Wtf? Jones wouldn't get chabot straight up? That's probably the most insane thing I've read on this site, Rambo must be writing in a angry rage to write that kind of craziness.

20.) 12 Dec 2018
12 Dec 2018 15:06:23
Shootsmcgee, Jones is 26 years old in the prime of his career and currently getting out played by Chabot who is 19 years old and not even close to his prime yet so yeah I absolutely stand by that statement. The whole premice of this proposal is to get a solid 1st line defensive partner for Chabot without moving you best 3-4 guys or killing the rebuild they've started.

Brown will be a top 6 forward guaranteed possible 1st line center, only reason he's in minors is they have him working on his speed.

Dzingle is twice the player killorn is jbs that's a fact, before Kuch even joined Stammers line he had killorn always with him while Kuch was on triplet line with Palat and johnson, and killorn still plays more than enough time with that line when they juggle point to Johnson's line and so on.