08 Dec 2018 21:31:16
Ok here's one for you guys

Ottawa needs defence, Tampa could use help getting Stamkos going, not that he's doing bad but not like he was last year.

Ottawa : dzingle, chlapic

Tampa : sergachev, 2nd (Tampa 2nd is basically a 3rd)

Gives Tampa an affordable top 6 forward with a ton of speed, and a solid prospect forward with top 6 potential

Gives Ottawa an extra pick in mid rounds, and a quality young defenceman, who can slip in nicely with either Chabot or Lajoie in top 4.

1.) 09 Dec 2018
08 Dec 2018 22:28:40
Sergachev is worth more than that. He’s not having the greatest year but he’s still young, no where near his ceiling yet. Tampa says no.

2.) 09 Dec 2018
08 Dec 2018 23:11:57
Tampa has a logjam at forward, they need the D more. Sergachev is more valuable to that package imo, especially for Tampa who has few good D prospects and a cap crunch coming. Tampa’s loaded at forward both in the NHL and prospect system just don’t see them making that kind of move.

3.) 09 Dec 2018
08 Dec 2018 23:35:28
Holy lmao. That is so one sided for Ottawa I can’t even. lmao.

4.) 09 Dec 2018
09 Dec 2018 04:33:52
Stamkos is good enough to get his own offense going. Jus had 4 points. he's fine.

5.) 09 Dec 2018
09 Dec 2018 07:24:53
Rambone! My brother. This is one sided toward the Sens and you know it. Tampa has no reason to agree to this man. Come on now.

6.) 09 Dec 2018
09 Dec 2018 14:42:13
How is this one sided for Ottawa, vertius?

Tampa pick has very little value, sergachev had one solid season in his rookie year and has dropped the ball so far this year just like expected. Still got solid upside of potential but not likely to duplicate last season performance.

While dzingle is a top 6 quality speedy and proven forward averaging roughly 0.55 points per game throughout his career on a team that till now had half the kind of fire power to work with that Tampa does, on top of that he continues to improve and don't cost an arm and a leg salary wise and is arguably top 3 fastest skaters in the game behind McDavid and maybe MacKinnon.

Chlapic is also a solid top 6 potential prospect with tons of upside and a back for finding the back of the net.

This undervaluing sens players / over valuing other teams players is getting kindve old and worn out.

7.) 09 Dec 2018
09 Dec 2018 14:43:44
Oh and jbs32, Tampa is actually more loaded on defense than forward, they just don't get the credit they deserve.

Coburn as the 6th dman beside sergachev right now, 3 and 4 being McDonagh and Girardi who were 1 and 2 respectively in new York for years, and Hedman and stralman rounding out top 6 defence

Plus buljus and sustr and DeAngelo in the system

I think they can afford to move sergachev to bolster offence even more and add to the system for when they have a hard time signing everyone and can afford to let them go.

With up coming kucherov, sergachev, point, and guorde contracts due for big raises soon to name a few, it's not likely all will be sticking round why not replenish so your ready for it?

8.) 09 Dec 2018
09 Dec 2018 15:32:45
Tbh Sergachev is a stud for his age, if he’d still be at Mtl he would have been 1st pair. Young highly skilled dman don’t come out of your backyard. Sergachev is a future elite dman so you might as well propose and future elite forward like Batherson. Cheap compensation is not going to be enough. The guys you proposed are the kind of guys that can be easily replaced by free agency.

9.) 09 Dec 2018
09 Dec 2018 16:24:34
So Rambo can I ask how often you follow other teams?
Because Tampa has none of those players you mentioned for them they only have 1 good D prospect outside the NHL and that is Foote.

10.) 09 Dec 2018
09 Dec 2018 18:12:10
I though this trade proposal was a joke at first. Chlapic is a seconde round pic from 2015 that still isn't proven to be nhl player ready. I wouldn't call that an nhl propect with a big upside. He playes 20 games last year and went got 1g 3a +/ - -5
The senator haven't even recalled him this season yet. I think that says something no?

Dzingle is a good player that could help any team for sure as a top 9 and can help top 6 when they're injuries.

Just seeing that you asked for sergachev a future elite defenceman that was drafted top 10 in 2016 and I would say that has surpassed expectations. After that you go and add a seconde round pic.

Summary

Chlapic would be equal value to tampas 2nd round pic

Dzingle.

11.) 09 Dec 2018
09 Dec 2018 18:23:12
It looks like my comment was cut half way through but basiclly
Sergachev is way better then dzingle and tp wouldn't trade him for a forward after giving a forward a bit over 1 year ago to get him.
The trade doesn't make much sense and the value is way off.

12.) 10 Dec 2018
09 Dec 2018 23:52:06
No rambone, you have always over valued Sens players and your trades are always very good for the Sens. Understandable, when you make a trade you want it to be a win, but your proposals are massive wins for your team not just close calls. Sens have good players, no ones saying they aren't good players.

13.) 10 Dec 2018
10 Dec 2018 00:45:09
Rambo I’m a Tampa fan. I know their team and system. Girardi isn’t good. Coburn has been good this year but is playing much better than past few years. They have insane forward depth in NHL and minors but as was mentioned earlier Foote only good D prospect outside of NHL. Sustr hasn’t been a prospect in 5 years sucks and is in Anaheim.

Blujus moved on a few years ago. DeAngelo is on his 2nd team since leaving Tampa. Kucherov and Gourde already have their contracts signed. There are other forwards they will move for cap reasons before Sergachev, who they don’t need to worry about until after next season anyway. 0.55 ppg is respectable but more 3rd line or middle 6. Dzingel isn’t the third fastest player in the league, he might not be the 3rd fastest player on Tampa.

14.) 10 Dec 2018
10 Dec 2018 00:44:15
Is that right chlapic is NHL ready it's just because Ottawa has too many over paid guys that they don't want on 4th line and because of hlapic skill they kept him in minors so he could get ice time he deserves rather than waste away on the 4th line. Successful development teams do that all the time look at Detroit with guys like Zetterberg and Datsyuk or Vancouver with the Sedin boys and how they turned out.

Chlapic not going to bump Duchene, stone, Batherson, tkechuck, dzingle, or white at this point and they won't throw teirney, boadker, or Ryan on 4th line so why waste his talent?

Arguably he and balcers should have been called up instead of McCormick and Paul to fill in for Ryan and Duchene but sens management never been smart.

15.) 10 Dec 2018
10 Dec 2018 00:47:54
Ctc55 did they trade those players over the weekend and not report it. I literally just double checked their roster before typing this response and they absolutely have every player I mentioned.

Forwards mentioned : brayden point, yanne guorde, Nikita kucherov

Defence mentioned : Victor Hedman, Anton stralman, Ryan McDonagh, Dan Girardi, Braden couburn, mikkail sergachev, Andre sustr, Anthony DeAngelo, and Dylan buljus


Defence I didn't mention that they also have in system with potential is your boy Foote and Slater koakkoak


Might want to do your homework and look it up before you try make me look foolish lol just sayin.

16.) 10 Dec 2018
10 Dec 2018 00:40:22
Is that right also note this, by your logic in stating that chlapic worth no more than Tampa's 2nd because of the fact he was drafted in the 2nd you're basically saying a players trade value stays the same as the day they are drafted and never increases.

Also by that logic you're basically saying that a player like chlapic would be worth more than a guys like stone or even Datsyuk or Zetterberg based on the fact he was drafted in an earlier round than they were.

That being said chlapic was draft mid 2nd not late 2nd and his value has increased since then and will continue to do so.

Just because he's currently not on the main roster don't mean he's not a high end prospect. Look at Logan brown for example ranked 3rd among Ottawa's top prospects behind only Chabot and tkechuck, and ahead of the likes of white, Batherson, formenton, chlapic, Gustafson, AHL, gagne, luchuck, Norris, balcers, tychonick, and Bernard docker, all of which are solid prospects that prove Ottawa has a much deeper prospects pool than most teams.
Also note that brown ranked higher that white who is currently number 2 rookie in league yet brown in minors. Does that make his value less?
NOT A CHANCE IT DOES!

17.) 10 Dec 2018
10 Dec 2018 02:38:28
Oh look a garbage for gold proposal completely biased in the Sens favour from Rambo.

In other news, water is wet.

You would think with all these amazing super valuable players the Sens apparently have they would suck less.

18.) 10 Dec 2018
10 Dec 2018 03:51:37
I looked at chlapik stats and they do not show that he is a promising propect so yeah i don't think he's worth more then a seconde. I also don't know how you brought up zeterberg and datsyuk into this obviously some guys are drafted late in a draft and become stars but that just not the case for chlapik. Panari wasnt drafted i don't think that chlapik better then him for it.

19.) 10 Dec 2018
10 Dec 2018 05:38:05
Where do you ‘double check that roster’? Because Tampa traded deangelo to Arizona at the 2016 draft and he was traded to rangers for Raanta and stepan in 2017. Also suster was a free agent signing of the ducks in the offseason.

20.) 10 Dec 2018
10 Dec 2018 12:54:11
Rambo there is really no point in telling you stuff anymore because you never listen. DeAngelo is on the Rangers, Sustr is on Anaheim’s farm team after going through waivers and buljus is on Vancouver's farm team. Please listen and don’t think everyone is out to get you. Look at the site most proposals get turned down but people edit and listen to the comments about it (usually) and improve on them.