29 Nov 2018 23:14:40
Ottawa desperately needs a solid shut down guy on Blueline with experience to calm the kids down a bit but still young enough to fit the rebuild.

Florida is struggling, Columbus going to have some problems when panarin leaves so.

CBJ : Seth Jones

Ott : white, chlapic, Ceci, and the 1st rounder from Karlsson trade that they are guaranteed

Or

FLA : Aaron ekblad

Ott : white, Bernard-docker, Ceci, and the 1st from Karlsson trade

Both offers see a top 2 defence downgraded to a top 4 defence in order to add youth and offence of two solid prospects as well as a 1st rounder that is not lottery protected. Also note that both rookies in ekblad deal were also 1st rounders and both considered high end prospects in both deals.


Either of those 2 guys are old enough to bring leadership and experience while young enough to fit the rebuild.

Chabot and ekblad or Jones would also be a step up from the Karlsson Methot tandem that brought them success for years.

1.) 30 Nov 2018
30 Nov 2018 01:03:32
Your kidding? Jones is 100% going nowhere. and. neither is Ekblad.

2.) 30 Nov 2018
30 Nov 2018 03:30:54
That jones one is laughable. Jones will sign a jersey and send it to Dorian fornthsy package if he wants, but that’s about it. So brutal for CBJ lol.

3.) 30 Nov 2018
30 Nov 2018 07:23:05
See what I mean?

Ones on a struggling team the other on a team that is guaranteed to lose its top player yet somehow a package involving a guaranteed 1st round non lottery protected pick, not one but 2 high end prospects (one of which currently in Calder race), and a top 4 defenseman isn't close to enough?

But yet offers a thousand times worst you guys post to get sens players like Duchene are somehow fair value?

You need your heads checked seriously, any other team makes a similar offer you'd be jumping for joy agreeing with it especially if it was Ottawa moving one of those too.

Disagree? I got proof, his name is Erik Karlsson.

4.) 30 Nov 2018
30 Nov 2018 11:34:18
Nah, your proof is that Ottawa is an incompotent s***show that doesn't know what EK is worth. We all kmew EK was going to go below market value and get the return he did because Ottawas so damn incomptent and would trade him for pennies oj the dollar. that's why wed laugh when you proposed Point+Serg+1st+Radysh+whatever, Ottawa had no leverage, they sure as hell weren’t getting that.

Jones is one of the best dmen in the league, and basically its White and a last first for him. Jones is on a solid contract that isn't expiring, why would columbus even consider this.

Same with the Ekblad one. Maybe Ekblad makes more, but its still not enough for Ek imo.

5.) 30 Nov 2018
30 Nov 2018 12:24:44
There's a massive difference between a 28 war old - one more year to UFA - rumoured to wanting a massive pay day D man to a young 20s solid D man under a great contract for many years to come. I'd rather Seth Jones all day over EK right now, and it's a no brainer. Why would CLB want a package of prospects and picks for one of the best young D in the game? They wouldn't.
That package get you laughed at and you know it. You're always so insanely biased to the Sens bud.

6.) 30 Nov 2018
30 Nov 2018 14:52:30
If you want Jones on Ottawa it starts with Chabot and Tkachuk.

7.) 30 Nov 2018
30 Nov 2018 16:43:03
Yupp and VB are both right on this one and on the same page. Something weird is happening 😟 😟.

8.) 30 Nov 2018
30 Nov 2018 19:08:13
First off vbb not a chance either of those guys would get both Chabot and tkechuck in the real world.

2nd off the point of getting them is to help Chabot tkechuck stone and Duchene make a faster rebuild so they wouldn't be involved anyway.

9.) 30 Nov 2018
30 Nov 2018 19:24:21
As for yupp, the package involved a top 4 defence replacement, 2 high end prospects one who is currently fighting in the Calder race, and again a "non protected" 1st round pick whether it be this year's or next year's due to stipulation, either way it's the better pick of the 2.

Either a top half part of the league pick this year if Sharks miss playoffs or if they get in it becomes next year's pick, again go look at the trade yourself if you're skeptical.

If it does become next year's that's even better because EK has yet to sign with Sharks, Thornton likely will retire or if he doesn't will be too old to make any kind of difference as he's already slowing down, and they already moved Demers demelo and teirney, 3 of their more reliable defensive players.

Add that to what will be a frustrated Evander Kane which never turns out well, and an aging Vlasic.

I mean call me crazy, burns is good but even he can't carry that load himself.

In other words the trade is essentially a top 4 defence, 2 high end prospects, and an expected high end pick possible lottery, which is more than enough for 1 elite defence with no other assets.

Chlapic in Jones deal is to help make up scoring that panarin will leave a hole for as chlapic a goal scorer, where as Florida don't share that issue and would likely prefer docker to help boost future defence, either way both are respected high end prospects, something Ottawa clearly has an abundance of with formenton Gustafson and Brown Among others still waiting to crack the lineup.

10.) 01 Dec 2018
30 Nov 2018 23:51:30
So what you just said was “bringing jones in is to help stone Duchene tkachuk and Chabot” so you expect a team to give you their best player without you giving up one of your best 4-5 players/ prospects? Lol who do you think keikalainan is? Pierre Dorian? (Reference Karlsson Trade) . Come on.

11.) 01 Dec 2018
01 Dec 2018 04:08:39
What exactly do you think white is? Or the San Jose non protected 1st?

And chlapic ain't exactly a slouch by any means, he's an NHL ready future top 6 forward.

This just shows how you undervalue and underestimate sens players.

White especially might not be tkechuck but he's still extremely valuable in his own right.

And the Ceci might not be what those 2 guys are but he can still fill a top 4 role.

A similar offer from a different team and I'd guarantee you be in full support mode praising the offer.

White already top 6 quality, chlapic will get there, Ceci already top 4 and docker will get there, add the San Jose pick the value is there and you know it.

12.) 01 Dec 2018
01 Dec 2018 05:36:57
Well you only have docker in the Ekblad proposal and I never said that one wouldn’t work. Jones is better than Ekblad, less injury problems and locked up long term for over $2 mill less than him. The difference in the 2 players value is not only chlapik instead of docker lol.

13.) 01 Dec 2018
01 Dec 2018 15:09:12
nobiasrambo, you lost all credibility when you said white is extremely valuable.

in the real nhl, you don't get riches for rags, unless you're the gm of edmonton, ottawa, who give away riches for rags constantly.

14.) 01 Dec 2018
01 Dec 2018 18:42:41
Ovies hero if you don't think white is extremely valuable you should stop watching hockey all together because you clearly don't know what your talking about.

Last season whites value was on par with Chabot during Duchene talks and while Chabot value increased dramatically whites stayed pretty darn close with him.

White is currently tied with tkechuck for 2nd place among all rookies this season so far, tkechuck did it even with weeks off with an injury but it's not like white was any less impressive how he got there considering he hasn't been on 1 line long yet and keeps bouncing between all of the top 3 lines.

So to be where he is, absolutely that's extremely impressive and anyone who says otherswise better clead the dirt out of your head.

15.) 01 Dec 2018
01 Dec 2018 18:53:30
Unbiased Jim ok ok I personally think ekblad better that Jones not by much but everybody has their oppinion so I can respect yours on that matter.

But it seems like you're putting a major gap in value between chlapic and Bernard docker? Chlapic value is Fairly close to what dockers is with the age advantage slightly in dockers favour. They are also very different types of players with docker being the in your face shut down defence man, and chlapic being the skilled goal scorer.

The reason I put chlapic in the Columbus deal instead of docker is because of the impending loss of panarin. Chlapic has the ability to grow into that type of role and be a sort of poor man's panarin. On top of that, Columbus still has werenski among others on blue line so up front help needed more where Florida is the opposite, adding white gives them more than enough front end depth but docker helps their Blueline grow better.

16.) 03 Dec 2018
03 Dec 2018 12:54:23
If Columbus loses their best players, they will need the young guys to build around in Jones and Werenski. I think those guys are pretty much untouchable right now. I'm not saying that your proposal is majorly biased or anything, i just think that your opinion of those assets is incorrect.
I'll give you points for not mentioning Nylander though.

17.) 05 Dec 2018
05 Dec 2018 19:03:31
Thunder turkey that's just it though, panarin already stated he won't play in cumbus next year and been saying how much he wants to go back to Chicago so because of that they likely won't get much for him other than a weak rental price as Chicago not likely to be in playoffs and won't need to go for him this year as they can just wait till free agency and poach him then for nothing.

That leaves a massive hole offensively that will need to be filled.

Columbus has a loaded defence core in savard, werenski, Jones, and Murray.

Downgrading 1 of those guys (obviously Jones would be the guy Ottawa would want at a price like this) to ceci who is still top 4 quality and would be protected better in Columbus in order to add 2 solid offensive prospects in white and chlapic plus add what has potential to be a lottery pick this or next year would be a good trade off for Columbus no matter what and if it gives them a solid crack at Hughes or Lafreniere then it becomes a win for them as well.

And even if they win either lottery with that pick it's still a trade loss Ottawa can live with as it gets the experienced shut down guy who can also score and completely compliment chabot on sens top pairing. Basically a win for both sides.