29 Nov 2018 04:40:53
Leafs trade Nylander, Kadri, Sandin, 2x1st
Philadelphia trades Provorov, Patrick, Hart

Marleau/ Matthews/ Kapanen
Hyman/ Tavares/ Marner
Johnsson/ Patrick/ Brown
Lindholm/ Gauthier/ (Leivo)

Rielly/ Hainsey
Provorov/ Zaitsev
Dermott/ Hainsey
*Ozhiganov

Gardiner gets traded to whoever wants him for a 1st to recoup one of our picks. It would likely be a better pick than our 1st anyway.


1.) 29 Nov 2018
29 Nov 2018 05:01:30
Remove kadri and Patrick and 1 1st rounder to start.


2.) 29 Nov 2018
29 Nov 2018 05:52:08
Nylander, Sandin, 1st for Provorov and Hart? I don’t think Philly does that.

I tried to put up an overwhelming offer here.

The big risk is that Patrick takes a little longer than hoped to reach potential. Playing on Leafs should help speed up his development though.


3.) 29 Nov 2018
29 Nov 2018 07:55:01
Nope, Philly don't take that either. Just a start to breakdown the salary issues.


4.) 29 Nov 2018
29 Nov 2018 09:38:26
Philly has $8M in cap space. We can take Lehtera as cap dump. That should be more than enough to make it work.


5.) 29 Nov 2018
29 Nov 2018 14:06:23
Provorov is much better than any Leaf in that offer.


6.) 29 Nov 2018
29 Nov 2018 16:32:43
@memarcusjoe

What are you doing on this thread? This wasn’t a Winnipeg trade. Lol.

That package is overwhelming and you know it. Kadri >>> Patrick. And all the rest of the pieces easily equals Provorov. If Hextall refuses a trade like this he should be fired. Oh wait. Too late. Maybe if he made this trade he would still have his job.


7.) 29 Nov 2018
29 Nov 2018 17:48:31
Nylander gets Patrick. Kadri, Sandin and a first gets Provorov, that leaves 1 first for Hart? Not even close, Philly says no.


8.) 29 Nov 2018
29 Nov 2018 18:18:37
LeafsGM,
It may not be a bad offer value wise, but you are not offering them anything to replace Provorov. Sandin is alright, but I would think they want Liljegren. Plus they would have to take an overpaid Nylander as well. It's not just about getting the most value it is also about value for the dollar.


9.) 29 Nov 2018
29 Nov 2018 18:45:04
LeafsGm

Patrick>>Kadri.


10.) 29 Nov 2018
29 Nov 2018 18:52:17
Actually, I was thinking

Kadri + 1st = Patrick + Hart
Nylander + Sandin + 1st = Provorov

But if you want to value it differently is fine. And by all means, remove Hart and one 1st from the deal and what you have left is still a damn good trade for both teams.

Kadri is way more valuable right now than Patrick. He’s looking good, but is pretty far removed from the hype surrounding him when he was drafted. He is probably going to work out well, but still a big risk from Toronto trading a 30+ goal scoring center for a sophomore who is putting up mediocre numbers.


11.) 29 Nov 2018
29 Nov 2018 20:45:33
Bad for Philly
Patrick=Kadri
Hart=Sandin And a 1st
Provorov>>> Nylander And 1st.


12.) 29 Nov 2018
29 Nov 2018 21:56:13
@vb

This is where we have to agree to disagree, because imo, Patrick is definitely not equal to Kadri. Kadri is everything Philly hopes Patrick turns into. A 30 goal scorer who can play all aspects of the game and is on a good contract. Kadri is immediate and significant help without waiting for development. Philly needs to improve and this trade would do that.

@memarcusjoe

Philly already has Sanheim, who is doing very well this year. They also have Morin and Gonning, and now would have Sandin as well. I think Philly has enough defensemen they will be ok. I actually wasn’t even going to include Sandin at first, but couldn’t think of anyone else that would work (we need Liljegren and none of our forward prospects are all that great) .

I knew these were both good proposals when I floated them. And what I mean by good is that I knew they would get the discussion going. Both threads got a lot of attention.