09 Oct 2018 14:25:33
Once Kase is back from his concussion:
To Anaheim:
Nylander, Brown, Zaitsev
To Leafs:
Manson, Kase

Nylander goes over to replace Perry long term, and Anaheim can either keep Perry on LTIR or deal him

Deadline deal:
To Columbus
Gardiner (extension), Marincin, Moore, 2019 2nd
To Leafs:
Savard, Milano

Lines
Hyman/Tavares/Marner
Marleau/Matthews/Kase
Johnsson/Kadri/Kapanen
Milano/Lindholm/Leivo
*Goat, Ennis
Rielly/Manson
Dermott/Savard
Hainsey/Ozhiganov
*Holl
Anderson
Sparks

Posted this on the leafs rumours site but I wanted more opinions on it

1.) 09 Oct 2018
09 Oct 2018 16:23:20
The Columbus deal would have to happen first so we have Savard to replace Zaitsev when we trade him. Otherwise we short ourselves at RHD again. Granted, Manson is better than Zaitsev. But we need someone to compliment him, not replace him.

The Anaheim deal looks pretty good. Not sure Anaheim will be wanting to move Kase though. They need all the forwards they can get.

The Columbus deal looks like it favours the Leafs. Letâ€™s just say for arguments sake if, and itâ€™s a big if, Gardiner = Savard, then I donâ€™t feel the rest of what you are offering is equal to Milano. He said going to be a real stud. Marincin is garbage. Moore is half decent prospect, and the 2nd May never work out. For Milano you would have to be willing to give up a decent NHL player who can contribute immediately.

I like all the guys you suggested. Lineups look good. With a little tweaking, I think you have the right idea.

2.) 09 Oct 2018
09 Oct 2018 17:06:02
Couldnâ€™t we just do this until the Savard trade
Rielly/ Manson
Gardiner/ Hainsey
Dermott/ Ozhiganov
*Holl, Marincin
I mean Hainsey already has top 4 experience and he can cover for Gardinerâ€™s mistakes so why not?

3.) 09 Oct 2018
09 Oct 2018 17:11:15
Also, I know Anaheim wonâ€™t want to move Kase, which is why I send back Brown as well, so they are actually getting 2 forwards back for 1
Milano isnâ€™t going to be that good, he is playing 4th line right now and is basically a replacement of Brown, if anything I would add Leivo because we already have Ennis.

4.) 09 Oct 2018
09 Oct 2018 17:50:52
Pretty sure anahiem doesn't have the cap room to do this. Unless they plan to waive kesler and perry when they get back from injury. Then this deal turns into perry kesler manson kase for nylander brown and zaitsev which I don't think they even consider.

5.) 09 Oct 2018
09 Oct 2018 18:47:31
Brown+Zaitsev=6.6mill
Manson+Kase=6.7mill
That cancels out
Nylander=Perry
The whole point of this deal for Anaheim is to have a long term replacement for Perry, his contract is more then Nylanderâ€™s will be so when Perry gets back, the ducks can deal him as well for defence, you could say the ducks win this deal by a landslide
They donâ€™t have to do anything with Kessler.

6.) 09 Oct 2018
09 Oct 2018 18:54:42
Sorry I meant to say defence prospects, not defence because that would also mess with the cap.

7.) 09 Oct 2018
09 Oct 2018 20:01:04
One more thing, and I know this will start a heated conversation
Gardiner is better, actually WAY better then Savard
He has WAY more trade value, especially with an extension
Gardiner-52 points in 82 games (not injury prone), +9 playing with Zaitsev, $4.05 mill salary
Savard-16 points and +2 in 81 games (not injury prone) last year, $4.25 mill salary
Who would you rather have?
Answer: Gardiner

Just because Gardiner gives up the puck a bit more then average doesn't mean he is a bad defender, all of you act like he is Ryan Murray, which isn't even close in comparison.
Plus most of the time when he does cough up the puck, he recovers it, the Boston game was just an example of what can happen if he coughs it up to one of the best lines in the league and can't recover, which would happen to any normal, or even elite defenceman.

I honestly think this deal is more fair and realistic:
To Columbus:
Gardiner (extension), maybe a "guy" (Marincin, Goat)
To Leafs:
Nutivaara, Milano

But obviously you all don't think he is worth $6 million dollars

Every layer has flaws, but the thing about Gardiner's is that he makes one, recovers the puck, and gets an assist, goal, or makes a beauty pass after, you have to look past his flaws and you can really see what a special ELITE $6 million plus player he really is, he deserves to be treated that way.

The only reason I'm trading this guy so much is because the leafs can't afford his contract next year, but they could afford Nutivaara's, which is looking like a much better trade right now then the Savard (who looks like he is declining in skill) deal.

8.) 09 Oct 2018
09 Oct 2018 21:54:24
Gardiner definitely has more value then savard you may not like Gardiner but the reality is Numbers donâ€™t lie.

9.) 09 Oct 2018
09 Oct 2018 22:35:06
If they can trade perry. But that's a big IF.

10.) 10 Oct 2018
09 Oct 2018 23:06:27
@Habby, your not wrong, it is an if, but if it came down to Perry or Nylander, who would you rather have?
Also, I can see Perry being like a Rick Nash from last year, lots of injuries and a high contract but he puts up points, so maybe Boston trades one of their picks and prospects for him to fill the hole on their right wing side, or a team like Columbus if they lose Panarin may ask about him, or a playoff hopeful like Buffalo who wants to up their offence and maybe trade a guy like Alex Nylander to do it, just a few examples of who would be interested.

11.) 10 Oct 2018
09 Oct 2018 23:23:14
I think Anaheim views Kase as a potential long term Perry replacement. I personally think heâ€™s undervalued here and Anaheim is very high on him. Gardiner has more value than Savard, and numbers may not lie but can be deceiving. got to look at Gardiners future output on a team that isnâ€™t Toronto as what he did before Matthews Marner and Nylander, and those numbers are very different.

12.) 10 Oct 2018
10 Oct 2018 00:01:23
Yeah, Perry wonâ€™t be easy to trade. Thatâ€™s a big dollar amount attached to an aging player who will be coming of a serious injury.

13.) 10 Oct 2018
10 Oct 2018 00:23:22
Anaheim will never be able to trade either Perry or Kessler.

Gardiner and savard are two completely different style players. Itâ€™s like comparing apples to oranges. The only thing they have in common is their job title. Except Savard can actually play defense. The only reason Gardiner has 52 points is a + player is because of the forwards in front of him. For most of his career until the likes of Matthews, Marner, and co. came along, Gardiner was deep in the minus. Gardiner is a beneficiary of having such a talented forward group to play with now, not the other way around.

14.) 10 Oct 2018
10 Oct 2018 00:48:53
No Gardiner was a minus because he played for the worst team in the league, then when he joined an actual playoff team, he played like a normal defenceman would.

15.) 10 Oct 2018
10 Oct 2018 03:01:33
@ mostleaf obviously I'd rather nylander lol. That isn't the point plus the perry situation is nothing like nash was last year. Nash was a pending ufa perry has 2 more years after this one at 8.5 mil. The only way the ducks can trade him is if they take back someone else on a hefty contract and therefore they would still be over the cap like I said.

16.) 10 Oct 2018
10 Oct 2018 12:49:13
Anyone else just cringe after reading LeafsGMs analyst of Gardiner. +/ - is team star and the leafs had the worst team in the nhl Gardiner canâ€™t win him self.