06 Oct 2018 16:59:42
Calgary Trades
ELindholm
Bennett

Toronto Trades
WNylander
4th Round Pick 2019

Thoughts ?


1.) 06 Oct 2018
06 Oct 2018 17:13:59
They just traded for Lindholm and locked him up I think.


2.) 06 Oct 2018
06 Oct 2018 17:21:43
I do that if I were the Flames. but I wouldn't of I were Leafs .

If i wasnt for Mathews and Marner, Nylander would be considered one of the top offensive stars of the game.
I have always liked his game, and think he could be a perennial top 10 point getter in league for years to come, really wish my team had the ability to get him .
I don't think Lindholm is anything special, and Bennett is going way of a bust for the draft position he was selected .


3.) 06 Oct 2018
06 Oct 2018 18:19:37
Nylander is one of the top offensive stars of the game? Is this really you Willie?

We have at least three players on the Leafs alone better than Nylander, and Kadri is also probably a better all-round player.


4.) 06 Oct 2018
06 Oct 2018 18:56:46
I’m surprised to hear that from you Sosa. Is there talks of Nylander going to Montreal that I haven’t heard of?


5.) 06 Oct 2018
06 Oct 2018 19:35:00
No Leafs 17there are no talks of him going to Montreal. I wish. no way Habs/ Leafs make that deal, we don't have assets for him anyway . I have always like Nylander, and yes Leafs GM, I think he could be like Panarin. isn't he one of the top offensive guys in the game.?


6.) 06 Oct 2018
06 Oct 2018 19:42:53
And I guess LeafsGM , I mean if there was no Mathews or Marner, all we would hear about is how good Nylander is., bases on the market he plays in, he is overshadowed by the other 2 ., put him on Carolina for example. he's offense runs through him, I'd say same for my team. and there are s few others like NYR ect .


7.) 06 Oct 2018
06 Oct 2018 19:47:34
Lol this is brutal for leafs.


8.) 06 Oct 2018
06 Oct 2018 21:01:11
Variation on this, Nylanderand something else, not sure if its pick, prospect ot roster player for Lindholm and Rasmus Andersson?


9.) 07 Oct 2018
07 Oct 2018 00:43:56
@sosa

Nylander was 70th in points last year and 112th in goals. He’s a very good player, yes. But not one of the top offensive stars. He may still develop into a true star in his own right, but from what I’ve seen, he is a beneficiary of playing with Matthews, not the other way around.

I’m also pretty pissed at him right now for screwing us around, so I have an extreme negative bias for the greedy selfish little baby. I hope Leafs trade him to the worst team in the west so he never so much as smells the Stanley Cup. Winning should mean everything to this young man, and apparently it means nothing.


10.) 07 Oct 2018
07 Oct 2018 04:04:55
I was thinking about Nylander being a beneficiary of playing with Matthews the other day and realized that in the last 2 years Nylander scored 42 goals, Connor Brown scored 34 goals. Now, where the separation is, is that Connor brown had 30 assist as where Nylander had 80. Now consider that Matthews had 74 goals. While Connor brown played with a revolving door of players including Komarov, Dominic Moore, Freddy Gauthier, matt Martin and Tomas Plekanec. How many opportunities for assists did he really have?

Now I 100% believe that Nylander made plays on Some of those goals that Matthews scored that Connor Brown just isn’t capable of making. I’m also aware that Nylander didn’t play his entire time with Matthews. But when you see the numbers like that, I wonder how Brown would have benefited from being on that wing, then you consider he signed 3 years at $2.25 mill, you can really question Nylanders $8mill+ demands.

I’m not suggesting Nylanders not a good player, also not suggesting brown would put up the same numbers in that spot. Also not saying brown is worth $6mill+ or Nylander only worth $2.5mill. But Matthews doesn’t seem to be any less effective with Tyler Ennis on that wing either.


11.) 07 Oct 2018
07 Oct 2018 05:30:16
@unbiasedjim

When you put it like that, it really does make for a real eye-opener. Brown is also a more effective defensive player, an area that Nylander sorely lacks skill in.

Nylander holding out gives guys like Leivo, Brown, Ennis a real opportunity here to showcase what they can do. Should make the decision to trade him or sign him much easier one way or the other.

At this point, I fail to see how we can’t trade him. First opportunity he had to screw the team that drafted him, he did. No loyalty or respect for the organization at all.


12.) 07 Oct 2018
07 Oct 2018 07:56:30
Ok. if Leafs want to trade him. send him to Habs.


13.) 07 Oct 2018
07 Oct 2018 14:34:44
I’m not saying he has to go though. The team is better with him than without him for sure. But Matthews had a great preseason (not surprising when half the guy you’re playing against will never actually be in the NHL) . But has come out of the gate looking stronger and faster than last year, 3 goals in 2 games.

I just feel like Nylander was expecting him to struggle a bit without him and it would pass some leverage to the player from the team and that’s not how it’s been. It’s possible that changes, however all this has done by Willy sitting out is expose to the world how sweet of a gig he really had being on that line. Ennis is loving it at $650k lol. I still feel Nylander is the best fit long term on his wing and hope he’s here, but if this process brings his demands down to reality, I’m okay with Dubas playing hard ball and riding it out.


14.) 07 Oct 2018
07 Oct 2018 17:18:25
I'm pretty sure nylander and his agent are just worried about getting the best possible contract They can at this point. I don't think nylander is or was hoping matthews would struggle. I know the media is trying to paint him as a monster by comparing him with his father but really he's only doing what most players who feel they are worth more then they are being offered does. Like always though nobody knows what's really going on except those involved. maybe the leafs are only offering a bridge deal and he wants long term. Maybe they are not as far off on actual salary as the media are saying.


15.) 07 Oct 2018
07 Oct 2018 18:05:41
Not saying he wishes bad for Matthews personally. They’re friends. But even Jeff O’Neil and Carlo Coliacovo who both have experience with contract demands and teammates sitting out said it’s a thin line for those guys. They want to see the team succeed because they want to still sign there and have it be a good team, but they have a hard time cheering for everything to go right when you’re on the sidelines, much like a healthy scratch. That’s coming from ex NHL players, not me. Believe what you want.


16.) 07 Oct 2018
07 Oct 2018 20:06:05
I could argue you on this I but I won't bother. Lol.


17.) 07 Oct 2018
07 Oct 2018 20:57:58
That’s good. Because again, I wasn’t talking about you or to you but you had to try to discredit of course. And you’re going to assume you know how NHL players feel and think better than 2 guys with almost 25 NHL seasons combined. Because all they did was live that life for more than a decade each while you watch on tv sometimes. Of course you have valid points you aren’t going to use to tell us how they don’t know what they’re talking about.


18.) 08 Oct 2018
08 Oct 2018 00:26:34
I think it's pretty easy to see you were replying to me but anyway who cares. I will tell you one thing if you take everything these so called experts tell you as gospel then you will still be wrong at least 90% of time lol. Plus I just made what I felt was a harmless comment about your post more or less saying I don't really want to argue with you today but again you just had to try and get things going again. I know I'm childish and biased some times I can admit it. Can you? Or are you still perfect in ever way?


19.) 08 Oct 2018
08 Oct 2018 05:41:26
I was communicating with LeafsGM and Sosa actually and then you have to chime in complete opposite of what I say regardless of right or wrong lol and believeing people that actually played the game and lived the life will make you wrong 90% of the time? Lol. And it’s not being naive. It’s common sense. As a player like Josh Leivo who was scratched 60+ times last year, you want your team to do well, but also subconsciously would want something to go wrong, whether it be an injury or a player having a bad stretch of games. Something that could get you back in the lineup. It’s human nature, doesn’t mean he wishes personal harm on someone. And similar to a holdout player with very little leverage, they hope something, anything, sways some leverage their way. If that’s a player they normally play with struggling a bit, so be it.


20.) 08 Oct 2018
08 Oct 2018 15:09:16
Nah I feel he just wants to get paid whether it be in toronto or not. So maybe he's hoping they do really good so he can be traded somewhere else. Or maybe like I said he thinks he worth a certain amount and he's sitting out until he at least gets close to what he wants. Money talks man and it makes a lot more sense then jeff o neil.


21.) 08 Oct 2018
08 Oct 2018 16:13:07
😂 lol.