30 Jul 2018 11:46:24
Weird, Unrealistic Idea:

(RW) William Nylander + (LD) Jake Gardiner to the St. Louis Blues in exchange for (RD) Colton Parayko + (C/ W) Robby Fabbri.

Idk. I’d have a real hard time parting with Nylander, but a return of Parayko is absolutely solid. He’s exactly what Toronto needs. And St. Louis could use a winger to play behind Tarasenko and Willy can also play centre if Schenn takes a step back.

Gardiner and Fabbri are added since Parayko for Nylander is onesided for the Leafs imo, so Gardiner balances the deal out as St. Louis gets a replacement d on the offside. However, Gardiner and Nylander for Colt alone seems unfair, so Fabbri is added as a replacement for Nylander. Fabbris lost a lot of value after his injuries and can bounce back in TO imo.

Lineup:
Zach Hyman - John Tavares - Mitch Marner
Patrick Marleau - Auston Matthews - Robby Fabbri
Andreas Johnsson - Nazem Kadri - Kasperi Kapanen
Tyler Ennis - Par Lindholm - Connor Brown

Morgan Rielly - Colton Parayko
Travis Dermott - Nikita Zaitsev
Connor Carrick - Ron Hainsey.


1.) 30 Jul 2018
30 Jul 2018 13:52:54
But value wise Parayko > Nylander even if Gardiner = Fabri which I think Fabri has a little more value than Gardiner straight up as well.
Blue decline, easily. Take out Fabri and I don't think I would even part ways with Parayko.


2.) 30 Jul 2018
30 Jul 2018 13:54:21
I don't get this trade

Parayko> Nylander

Fabbri> Gardiner

How is this fair for St Louis. Ok you're going to say Fabbri is fragile fair enough. But once he's says healthy he's going to be a 50+ point player that's not even 23 yet. So yes he's worth more then Gardiner.


3.) 30 Jul 2018
30 Jul 2018 14:11:24
Colt, so a 50 point forward is worth more than a 50 point dman? Your argument seems way off.


4.) 30 Jul 2018
30 Jul 2018 14:24:42
I think it’s close. I would understand people saying Gardiner and Fabbri being added doesn’t make up for the gap between Nylander and parayko. That’s fair to say. But a guy that you hope can one day be a 50 pt player is not more valuable than a 27 year old top 4 d that QBs a PP and puts up 50+ pts while making $4mill lol that’s like me saying Connor Brown had 20 goals and I hope he could reach 45-50 pts so the Hurricanes would need to add in a Brown for Faulk deal haha that’s dumb.


5.) 30 Jul 2018
30 Jul 2018 15:23:21
lets break this down a bit
Parayko 5.5 mil 4 years
fabbri 925k 1 year then rfa

Gardnier 4.05Mil 1 year UFA
Nylander notsigned rfa

parayko >> Nylander
Parayko >> Gardnier

Fabbri >Gardnier (contract rfa control)
Nylander > Fabbri

Blues are at the cap and need to sign Schmaltz. Taking on Gardnier and Nylander would be impossible. Also Blues do not have a RHD able to take Paraykos mins (24 a night) Gardnier is LHD and we already have Edmondson, Dunn, Jaybo, Gunner. SO not a positional need. Also with blues getting ROR, Perron, Bozak, Maroon and with Thomas and Kyrou coming up they are set on wingers. Maybee before the ror trade but not now. Just doesn't make sense.


6.) 30 Jul 2018
30 Jul 2018 16:20:22
Agree with redwing aside from the fact that Gardiner.


7.) 30 Jul 2018
30 Jul 2018 16:47:39
Really guys? Fabbri => Gardiner? Cmon. He was a 50 point dman last year. No way you can say a guy who has a career high of 37 points and missed all of last year is better. And if Gardiner was going to design, I think it’s close. Parayko > Nylander yes, but I do think Gardiners gap if resigned over Fabri makes up. Add a 2nd or so if so needed. Nylander has 70 pt potential.


8.) 30 Jul 2018
30 Jul 2018 18:12:01
Fabbri is making 925k and is RFA after this year we need his ELC status till Jaybo and Gunner are gone freeing up 8.3 mil. plus 4-6 million in dead weight.

Gardnier is going to want more money, And he is LHD. We have 4 LHD currently Edmondson, Vince Dunn, Jaybo, Gunner. We don't need Gardnier. Blues also have Jake walman and a few others in the waiting to get into the nhl and they are entry level.

This trade doesn't make sense. Blues are set all their weaknesses, (goalie RW) are going to be filled internally by thomasKyrou Kostin Husso Fitzpatrick Binnginton, Peronovich, Bokk, Wallman.

They will all be on elcs and rfa status. they also have depth players power forward like players in Nolan Stevens and Eric Foley.


9.) 30 Jul 2018
30 Jul 2018 19:03:53
I’m not saying blues need Gardiner or blues do the deal. All I’m saying is calling Fabbri better than Gardiner shows that it’s just a personal bias, not reality. Again, it’s the brown over Faulk thing.


10.) 30 Jul 2018
30 Jul 2018 21:37:52
No Jim it shows value and teams needs considerations.

Fabbri was on pace and predicted to be as good as Nylander his first year he scored 18 goals as a 19 year old rookie and in 10 less games. he was hendered by his knee injury but i would say has the highest bust / ceiling differential in the league for 925k due to his knee. On top of that Blues do not Need UFA LHD, the notion that people keep putting around him, " oh you can sign him the following year", is personic, We could just sign him the following offseason, but we don't need him. As for nylander great player a little soft but great player. I am tired of hearing about potential if nylander is 30 goal 70 poiny player then parayko is 15 goal 60 point dman, right.

Any way if you take into accoutn team needs. Capp issues, Cam contract control Blues are better of the way they are and that is not Bias that's the truth.


11.) 30 Jul 2018
30 Jul 2018 23:38:30
Value is there but blues have no reason to trade Parayko when their forward core included ROR, Tarasenko, Schwartz, steen, Bozak, Schenn and have guys like kyrou and Thompson ready to make the jump to the NHL. Like i said value is there but the motivation or need isn’t there.


12.) 31 Jul 2018
30 Jul 2018 23:56:04
For the record, because people always seem to read-to-respond instead of read-to-understand.
I said I believe Fabbri has more value than Gardiner straight up. Just value wise with all things considered as redwing pointed out.


13.) 31 Jul 2018
30 Jul 2018 23:57:35
For some reason., I think at the end of all there careers. Nylander maybe the best outta him Mathews and Marner. you have Tavares., so shop the American. and get a good ridiculous return, then the Leafs will win a cup. .
Go get OEL.


14.) 31 Jul 2018
31 Jul 2018 01:13:23
Mathews is much better then Tavares and it’s not even close Mathews is better offensively and defensively Mathews is miles better he makes Tavares look like a PeeWee player in comparison Mathews is the best defensive forward sense Bergeron. Also Tavares has played for 7 more season and still hasn’t eclipsed Mathews totals. Mathews is atleast two tiers better.


15.) 31 Jul 2018
31 Jul 2018 05:35:36
Mathews isn't as good as Tavares. VB. he may be down the road., but not at this point in his career. Ya he had a better goal scoring season. so what. Ovechkin gets more than anyone, however there are a couple dozen players in league better than him.
So get rid of the American, send him to Phoenix, get OEL and some pieces. Mathews is a hot commodity. m so get a complete team and win a cup.
Leafs went win with what they have now. Tampa is still the Superior team.


16.) 31 Jul 2018
31 Jul 2018 06:17:24
Ovechkin is a winger, not great defensively huge difference. Please tell me how Tavares>Mathews teach me your expertise because apparently you know more then every TSN panellist and ALMOST every hockey writer.


17.) 31 Jul 2018
31 Jul 2018 06:41:35
Lol. well some of em are pretty dumb. tsn guys.

Anyway. when Mathews can sustain a few years of being a star, and make others arounf him better, like Tavares, I will concede he may be the better player. however. he's not there yet. I'm jus saying, no way these guys are in same level as Tampa, close. but why not get there.


18.) 31 Jul 2018
31 Jul 2018 13:50:22
Lol that’s like the 3rd time in the last cpl weeks a habs fan has said leafs should trade Matthews and sound serious. It’s funny because a true #1 centre is a Unicorn to you guys and we have 2. Stop the jealousy, worry about fixing the train wreck in Montreal instead of trying to justify us trading a 20 year old point per game centre, with size, a 200 ft game, lethal goal scorer, good faceoffs and great chemistry with his teammates lol absolutely no point to move that guy. Oilers should trade Mcdavid for D help because I Believe draisatl will have better numbers after 15 years, see how dumb that is?


19.) 31 Jul 2018
31 Jul 2018 14:14:04
Leafs will not trade Mathews.


20.) 31 Jul 2018
31 Jul 2018 13:54:50
Nylander is arguably the 6th best player on the leafs. Just because he’s better than your best in Montreal doesn’t mean he’s going to have a better career than a Matthews or Marner lol

1) Matthews
2) Tavares
3) Marner
Rielly/ Nylander/ Kadri (any order of these Guys at 4, 5 and 6 could be argued)


21.) 31 Jul 2018
31 Jul 2018 17:59:21
And that’s just skaters, doesn’t factor in Freddy Andersen who was 4th in Vezina voting.


22.) 31 Jul 2018
31 Jul 2018 21:08:48
Ya really think I'm jealous Jim? I was stating my opinion on the 3 Kids. I feel Nylander could be the better of em. fine trade him.
I would love to see the Leafs win a cup., all I have been trying to say is I don't think they have the team yet to do it. So, with 2 number one centers. both Franchise guys. why not sell one of em for top $. you could get a Stud Dman. and maybe even have a dynasty.

Leafs are close. but I feel they need more D.
As for my team. ya it's a wreck. It reminds me of the Leafs of the 80s, is what it is. Until the philosophy of having to have French Canadian coaches and GMs is put to rest and just have the best man for the job. will be for years to come.


23.) 01 Aug 2018
31 Jul 2018 23:03:16
Look at the last few cups. Crosby/ Malkin twice and backstrom/ kuznetsov. You’re right Sosa, 2 top centres is not the path to success. It was Ron Hainsey and Justin Schultz playing top pair that won the cup for the penguins in 2016, I forgot.


24.) 01 Aug 2018
31 Jul 2018 23:29:56
And You just said you’re sick of the habs only wanting French people on the organization, then why keep referring to Auston Matthews as ‘the amerocan’?! Because I don’t care where a guy is born or what jersey he wears internationally, as long as he pours his heart out for the leafs from October to June. Just seems pretty hypocritical. .


25.) 01 Aug 2018
01 Aug 2018 00:43:28
The leafs trading Mathews would be like the Canadians trading a 20 year old Jean Béliveau except Mathews will probably be the more dominant player ( hard to compare but you get the stupidity in your comment ) Mathews is already the greatest player to wear a leafs jersey.


26.) 01 Aug 2018
01 Aug 2018 02:26:35
Ok. really don't want to deal with Biased Goof and Virgin Balls.
You boys win. . lol. good luck! . really hope you win a cup.
Ummm Jim Crosby and Malkin. better than both your centers. so was there damn goalie. And depth players.
Vb. your jus a kid. so ya get a pass. But. Big Jean schooled your team for years. so until you win.
Shut up. lol.


27.) 01 Aug 2018
01 Aug 2018 05:02:18
Jim is biased that's a given but vbbbvvbb is taking it to the next level lately. Matthews after 2 seasons of not getting out of the 1st round of the playoffs is already the best player in franchise history lol. what does that say about everyone else that ever donned the leafs jersey? it wasn't that long ago the leafs had a guy named doug gilmour who done much more and played better, harder and better defensively then matthews has played up to this point. But that was in the 90s vbbbvvbb you probably weren't born then. With regards to beliveau we are not exactly at the point yet where you should be comparing matthews to a hall of fame legend. cause guess what. if Matthews retired tomorrow he wouldn't get into the hall.


28.) 01 Aug 2018
01 Aug 2018 05:07:26
It was a friendly argument and you clearly lost after insulting us. But anyway cheers. Béliveau was an all time great but I believe Mathews will be in the same tier. Béliveau was 2nd to Howe. Mathews is 2nd to McDavid for this current generation.


29.) 01 Aug 2018
01 Aug 2018 06:59:33
C’mon habby. That’s the 2nd time you’ve mentioned “Matthews” not getting out of the 1st round. I believe it’s a team sport. “McDavid” didn’t even make the playoffs, he must be a bag of sh*t then? The hell with both of them, I’d rather Tom Wilson, he won the cup.


30.) 01 Aug 2018
01 Aug 2018 14:14:16
I know that leafs 17 but my point was hold off on the beliveau comparison until he gets out of the first round lol.


31.) 01 Aug 2018
01 Aug 2018 15:47:05
Yah I was born in 2001 so unfortunately I haven’t seen Dougie G play but I do agree with what you’re saying to be able to Compare the 3 Mathews has to play 10+ more seasons my point is the notion of trading Mathews is personic.

@Habby.


32.) 01 Aug 2018
01 Aug 2018 16:11:27
@Habby, saying ‘trading Matthews is dumb’is me being biased? Lol 😂 and saying he’s more valuable at 20 than Tavares at 27 or marner at 20 is biased?! They’re all leafs lol. All I said is don’t trade a 20 year old star Centerman and that habs fans shouldn't be trying to fix the leafs by doing so. That’s not biased. That’s common sense.


33.) 01 Aug 2018
01 Aug 2018 16:15:23
And Sosa, I never said Matthews and JT were better than Malkin/ Crosby. Or backstrom/ kuznetsov. Never said that at all. READ! Lol I said great centre depth has won the last 3 cups. It’s a fact, you can look that up to if you can sound out the words.

I could only imagine your response if you had 2 great players at the most important position in their prime and a leaf fan told you it’s a mistake to keep them both lol.


34.) 01 Aug 2018
01 Aug 2018 17:51:47
No jim I had considered you biased long before this post lol.


35.) 01 Aug 2018
01 Aug 2018 21:17:15
You think I’m biased because I told you you overvalue paccioretty and after months of actively shopping him, habs haven’t been able to find someone to give them good value. Again, that’s just looking at the reality of a situation.


36.) 01 Aug 2018
01 Aug 2018 21:43:41
It’s not biased to point out that currently, contracts situations and all, there’s not a single skater on the Habs that could be traded 1-for-1 for our top 6 skaters. Anyone with common sense when it comes to hockey would see that habs best 3 players are Weber, patches and Drouin. None of those straight up gets you Nylander, Kadri or Rielly 4/ 5/ 6 as I said above.

And I know the whole TSN Toronto sports network complainers will come out soon, how it’s all media driven and that, but TSN doesn’t own Bodog, TSN doesn’t influence Vegas betting odds. Vegas betting odds are far from a guarantee how things will shake out, but it shows it’s far from just us ‘biased leaf fans’ that know how good this team is.


37.) 02 Aug 2018
02 Aug 2018 02:32:20
Jim why can't you admit you are biased? I'm biased see it isn't that hard. Everyone on here value their teams players a little more then they are worth, you included. Maybe you are not as bad as some but your still biased.


38.) 02 Aug 2018
02 Aug 2018 13:08:30
I like almost every leaf player because I watch them more and get to know them a bit. But I like a handful of players of almost every team in the league, all based on merit. I’ve criticized complete organizations before when they’re a screw up and it’s not biased to see those teams making brutal decisions on a monthly basis. I’ve never changed my opinion on a player because he changes address (like saying Kerry Rychel of the marlies is a bust one week, and a possible good 3rd liner 10 days later when he’s traded to the habs Lol or giving me a hard time for saying galchenyuk wasn’t very good and then he hadn’t even tried on his coyotes jersey yet and you called him spare parts and said how habs easily won the trade for domi even though every stat and number says otherwise lol

Tell me when I’ve ever changed my opinion of a player based on the jersey they wear? Because that’s what shows team bias. I didn’t like PK subban as a hab, don’t loke him as a Pred. Loved Shea Weber as a pred, don’t love him being a hab because he’s great, but don’t think less of him. Only ever criticized his contract which was equally bad in any city. And you never read me criticizing JT or Freddy Andersen or aPatrick Marleau before we acquired them, because I think the same about them now as I dod before, just happy they play here.


39.) 02 Aug 2018
02 Aug 2018 15:27:42
And as always when your questioned about being biased you create BS stories about what other people said to make them seem more bias then you lol. Your awesome man.


40.) 02 Aug 2018
02 Aug 2018 16:32:54
It’s not BS. Colt said the Kerby Rychel thug and you defended him when I questioned him on it. And he galchenyuk one was between you and I right after he was traded. Not that long ago. Maybe it’s my young memory.


41.) 03 Aug 2018
03 Aug 2018 00:03:10
It's called selective memory I think.