01 Jun 2018 04:52:49
Ott : chlapic, Hoffman, Ceci, gaborik
Ari : 5th overall

Ott : 5th overall, 22nd overall, Ryan, Smith
Mon : 3rd overall, pacioretty

Ott : karlsson, batherson
Buf : 1st overall

Ottawa drafts Dahlin, zadina, and boqvist

Ottawa buys out burrows

Ottawa signs free agents Tavares and Bailey

Bailey Tavares stone
Zadina Duchene pacioretty
Formenton pageau dzingle
Brown white pajarvi
Pyatt

Dahlin boqvist
Chabot Wideman
Borowieski lajoie
Harpur claeson

Anderson
Condon

Phoenix has the cap to take on gabby and a need for scoring that Hoffman provides. They also have a need for a decent defence partner for oel and ceci is capable if filling that role. Add a solid prospect with top 6 potential like chlapic who's ready for the nhl as early as next season and it's a no brainer yes by Arizona even with the gabby contract

Patches and Ryan have been linked to each other trade wise for a while now and Montreal would be crazy not to move 2 spots down to gain an extra pick in the 1st round espessially when kachuck still available 2 picks later. At the same time ottawa does this as a means to move up plus move Ryan for a shorter term bad contract

If Dorian really is serious about full rebuild and moving karlsson then you go for the best possible return which in this case is dahlin. And since you guys like ottawa overpaying they add highly hyped prospect batherson to sweeten the deal. Karlsson alone is enough by any means but by adding batherson buffalo would be foolish to decline as karlsson has already proven to be the best defenceman in the world while dahlin and as much of an up side as he has still only put up just over 20 points in just over 40 games in the khl which while it has great high level players it doesn't have full teams at the same level as an nil team therefore dahlin cannot possibly be worth more than karlsson is right now! Adding batherson should be enough to guarentee that deal.

All this being said it's hypethetical based upon whether dorion is serious about a rebuild or not. This would be a rebuild I personally could support!

1.) 01 Jun 2018
01 Jun 2018 05:24:26
Nice trade but you still only end up with two picks so can not draft three dalphin. Zadina boquist

Montreal would proably need more patch is worth a late 1st on his own
Ryan and smith is nowhere near enough to move up ryan contract is horrible.

2.) 01 Jun 2018
01 Jun 2018 07:29:16
Wtf lmao oh god.

3.) 01 Jun 2018
01 Jun 2018 08:29:47
Lol not like Bailey has already resigned with NYI.

4.) 01 Jun 2018
01 Jun 2018 10:47:18
Much like the Senators management this proposal is an absolute tire fire.

And there is ZERO chance Tavares would sign with Ottawa. If he leaves the Island it will be to go to a contender, and he's not interested in getting paid in Melnyk IOU's.

5.) 01 Jun 2018
01 Jun 2018 11:00:51
Yah I’m sure buffalo would trade debatable the most valuable player in the NHL for UFA rights that probably won’t even sign with the team and a decent prospect. There is no player in the NHL buffalo would trade the generational talent for not Crosby, not McDavid and not Mathews. Buffalo needs a dman to take that next step.

6.) 01 Jun 2018
01 Jun 2018 16:58:24
Ok 1st off I did forget to put the karlsson part as a sign and trade so that's my bad. And dahlin is worth a ton but karlsson is a top 3 player in the league at this point vbbvbb so no way dahlin is worth more when he only has 20+ points in 40 + games in khl. Batherson is also highly enough hyped that he should more than make up the difference the age comparison provides.

And unsportsmanlikeconduct there is always a chance that any player can sign anywhere, it's called money talks! And buying out burrows 2 million and moving hoffman 4.25 million Karlsson 7.5 million Smith 3.25 million Ceci 2.75 million gaborik 4.85 million and changing Ryan's 7 million to patches 4.85 million thus saving 2.15 million I'd have to say they'd have more than enough to entice him to come there and still provide a competitive team with what's left and can be drafted.

And cosmic you're wrong dude sens would have the 1st from karlsson trade, the 3rd from Arizona + Montreal trades, and the 4th that belonged to them in the 1st place.
And patches not worth much more than Ryan at this point. Rumors have been putting their names together in straight up deals for a number of months now and I'm not talking about rumors from this site I'm talking credible ones. Patches is coming off
All stats are nearly equal this past season with ryan having the edge over patches. On top of that patches has 1 year leaft and will be wanting a hefty raise so contract differences essentially mean nothing. and fyi ryan is still a 5 million dollar player for what he provides so contract is bad but not as bad as you let on it is.

Oh and back to vbbvbb if buffalo was offered mcdavid straight up for dahlin they'd lick there lips force the biggest smile you've ever seen pull out the silver platter and say yes please yes please yes please until they were blue in the face don't kid yourself!

And triplets when did Bailey sign? I have yet to see a single report on that. if he did then that part is out but I don't think he did.

7.) 01 Jun 2018
01 Jun 2018 17:28:24
I am curious though as to how you all would change these to make them work? Please humor me.

To me -

The Arizona trade = massive over payment to move gaborik contract while picking up a high pick

The Montreal trade = very slight overpayment to move up in draft and move Ryan contract for pretty much a 1 year rental player, possibly could take out Smith bit Montreal has inquired about him a number of times too and could use his size and defensive game which is why I added him in the 1st place.

And finally.

Buffalo trade = overpayment for sure as karlsson is a proven top 3 player in the world and dahlin still has to prove himself at the highest level.

So yes I believe all 3 are overpayments yet somehow with all of you more is still needed which is crazy when you think about it. if this was any other team with these players involves it'd be hands down let's do it but because it's ottawa you seem to think it'll cost them their entire team? Either you all really are that ignorant to the sport or this is the biggest group trolling in history. kudos if that's what it is. you definately got me.

8.) 01 Jun 2018
01 Jun 2018 17:44:50
Jack Eichel is an Elite Center in the mold of a better Tyler Seguin ( for his age ) there deffense is horrendous. They need Dahlin way more then McDavid. McDavid is worth more tho. I’ll value Dahlin at the Mathews level.

9.) 01 Jun 2018
01 Jun 2018 17:45:10
Sure Rambo, if all of those completely biased and unbelievable trades go through Ottawa would have lots of cap room for Tavares.

Except Melnyk would still get blown out of the water by offers from other teams because he is cheap.

And Tavares will want to go to a team with a chance to contend, which is not the Sens. Sorry.

10.) 01 Jun 2018
01 Jun 2018 17:48:57
You are right i forgot about 4oa. But patches has way more value than ryan
Patches has scored 30 goals 4/ 5 years and had an off year only getting 17 ryan has 11 and 12 the last 2 years and only 1 2o goal season in the last 5 years patches is much cheaper on the cap this year
Ryan makes 7plus a year patches values is much higher.

11.) 01 Jun 2018
01 Jun 2018 18:36:34
I don't have time to explain to you why all three are preposterous so I'll pick on one:

You proposed Ottawa trades the 5th overall, the 22nd overall, Ryan and Smith to Montreal for the 3rd overall and Pacioretty.

Pacioretty is worth at least the 22nd overall. A playoff bound team would give a first for him at minimum at the deadline, almost certainly more.

Smith has very little value. A career 0.3 ppg guy and a lifetime minus. He's worth a mid round pick at best, and would be the kind of guy who'd be thrown into a deal for a guy like Pacioretty as a warm body.

So basically you are suggesting Ottawa can move up from 5th overall to 3rd overall by trading Ryan, a guy who has NEGATIVE VALUE with his brutal contract. A guy they would have to include a valuable asset with, just to dump his cap. This is why this trade, like all of your proposals, is biased.

School's out kiddo.

12.) 02 Jun 2018
02 Jun 2018 08:09:29
Lol Rambo I'm not your butler, use google yourself, Bailey did sign.

13.) 02 Jun 2018
02 Jun 2018 11:38:15
This is hilarious. Why you even post your Sens buses homer BS is beyond me. None of this is believable. Why would Montreal take Ryan and worse picks for a better pick and Pacioretty who has more value than Ryan alone. These are just awful for a team not named Ottawa. Compete dream land.

14.) 05 Jun 2018
05 Jun 2018 00:24:53
Omg people. enough with this Ryan has negative value nonsense. the guy puts up 50 to 60 points a year or 0.6 points per game annually outside of the regular season they went to conference finals. 2 million more than he's worth never has and never will constitute negative value. if it did then you better add toews getzlaff Perry kopitar couture etc to that list otherwise shut your pie holes and value the guy how he deserves to be valued, without your nonsense biass.